บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Tapping: Surprising Science Behind Healing Claims (and how to do it) | Jessica Ortner

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Save now 47 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.400 at backmarket dot com. 48 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.280 Somebody who's joining us, Maybe somebody has heard of this 49 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.960 thing called tapping. Maybe they've heard it spoken, but they 50 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.639 really have no idea what it is. Kind of been 51 00:02:54.639 --> 00:03:00.879 bouncing around wellness circles, healthcare circles, a bunch of other circles, 52 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.599 and they're curious about it, but they really have no 53 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:07.520 idea what we're talking about. So let's set this stage 54 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:08.360 a little bit here. 55 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:08.960 Tapping. 56 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:11.199 What is it and what isn't it? 57 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:16.319 Yeah, it's called tapping because we are stimulating acupressure points 58 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.000 that are on our body by tapping on them with 59 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.199 our fingers. So we focus on nine points. And these 60 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.479 are points that we tap on because they're in spots 61 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.639 that have a high concentration of nerve endings. They're acupressure points, 62 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.439 and so as you tap on those points, we have 63 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:39.280 mechano receptors, which basically send an electrical signal, creating a 64 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.360 signal of safety to your brain. One of the things 65 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.000 that we're realizing is that stress doesn't live in the brain. 66 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.599 It lives in your nervous system. And your nervous system 67 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.439 does consist of your brain, but it also consists of 68 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.000 your spinal cords and your nerve endings. And so when 69 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.319 you begin to tap on this, it sends this signal 70 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.759 of safety while you're focusing on something that's stressing you out. 71 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.240 So it's the opposite of trying to think positive or 72 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:09.560 think to a different thought. You're actually allowing yourself to 73 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.759 notice what's bothering you and send the safety signal. 74 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.480 So I mean, I'm glad that you brought positive thinking 75 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.600 into it, because tapping, i've seen often falls into the 76 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:27.839 domain of woo, of metaphysical of well, this looks really 77 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.879 kind of goofy and weird. How could it possibly be 78 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.319 doing anything at all? And we'll drop into the science 79 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:37.839 a lot more, because I know there is a growing 80 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.800 body of science, but when you talk about literally just 81 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.720 tapping on different parts of your body, I still want 82 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:50.439 to wrap my head around how this works. Mechanical receptors. 83 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:53.600 It sounds like we have receptors or like in the 84 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:57.079 skin or underneath the skin that's somehow tying into our 85 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.040 nervous system. 86 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.519 Yes, So if you ever notice when people are very stressed, 87 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.600 they tend to maybe put their hand on their chest, 88 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.199 or they hold yep right, they hold like the bridge 89 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.160 of their nose, their eyebrow point underneath the eye. These 90 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.319 are acupressure points. So I think intuitively we know that 91 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.839 they are points that help us have a sense of comfort. 92 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.480 This started. I'll talk about how it started because I 93 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.959 think that answers the question of like, well, how like 94 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.199 how have we figured out that you tap on these points. 95 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.360 There is a man called doctor Roger Callahan who was 96 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:34.319 a therapist. He did a CBT cognitive behavioral therapy, which 97 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.240 is really kind of the standard practice. And he had 98 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.040 a woman, her name was Mary, and she had a 99 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.360 horrible water phobia. And as much as she tried, he 100 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.199 worked with her trying to reframe it, to try to 101 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.360 think differently, to take a different perspective. When she was 102 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:53.160 around water, she would physically panic. It would start with 103 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.759 her body and she would always say, it starts in 104

00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.360 my stomach. I just I look at water and I 105 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.560 just feel it in my stomach and I go into 106 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.439 a panic attack. And he had been working with her 107 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.000 for about two years. At the same time, he was 108 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.839 studying these acupressure points, and he made the connection that 109 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.319 underneath the eye is the stomach meridian. He goes, well, 110 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:17.600 her distress is happening in the stomach, and my words 111 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.160 and my regular talk therapy, it's not connecting to that part. 112 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.160 She's not shifting. And so what he did was he 113 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:27.639 combined what he was doing, but instead of just talking 114 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:31.399 to her, he had her tap underneath the eye. And 115 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.199 when she was able to stimulate that acupressure point and 116 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.079 to think about the water and have her regular conversation 117 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.399 with him, her whole body began to relax. And he 118 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.800 worked out of his house and had a swimming pool, 119 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.439 which she never went that way. She always came through 120 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:50.279 the front door. She was able to go outside and 121 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.120 look at that swimming pool. Then the next day they 122 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.279 met at the ocean to go, let's this is the 123 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.519 big test the ocean. She was able to walk on 124 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.480 the beach for the first time in twenty years. That 125 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.800 set off this fascination from this therapist, going, well, this 126 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.120 can happen, what else is possible? So he began to 127 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.600 work with work with his clients using stimulating these acupressure 128 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:17.600 points while doing his talk therapy. He's expanded that was 129 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.639 called thought field therapy. And then a gentleman came in 130 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.759 called Gary Craig, who was a student of his. He 131 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.319 was a Stanford engineer, and he thought, this isn't This 132 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:28.079 is incredible, but the only people who are learning this 133 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.959 are therapists. So what if we find a way to 134 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.759 make it more accessible. We're instead of having to map 135 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.879 out where the stress is, what it connects to, we 136 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.600 focus on nine points that are coming up. Again and again. 137 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:44.720 He focused on those nine points and people started get 138 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.800 getting breakthroughs, and they started getting breakthroughs by themselves by 139 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.079 learning this and tapping on it. And so he created 140 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.319 that and then we came along to start to share 141 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.439 this with more people, and it's really evolved since then 142 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.839 with the tapping meditations that we've created and happy to 143 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.600 talk about the data in the research we have. But 144 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:09.759 that's really how it started. Almost curiosity and by accident. 145 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.680 Yeah, I mean that's wild that you know one person 146 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.600 has a patient with something that is like fairly intractable, 147 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.879 and phobias are often known as being like really difficult 148 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.759 to treat, and that a physical bringing something physical into 149 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.000 a more traditional CBT or talk therapy type of format 150 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.720 would make such a huge change. But at the same time, 151 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.759 it resonates with this notion that so much of what 152 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:40.039 we experience is embodied, It doesn't just exist in our minds, 153 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.320 and how do we actually access that in a way 154 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.399 that gives us some sort of release or shift. 155 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.320 Yeah, and this is this answers that question. Because I 156 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.639 grew up reading self help books really believe it, and 157 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:54.240 I believe in it. I believe in the power of 158 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.200 positive thinking, but I had such horrible anxiety as a 159 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.159 kid that no amount a positive thinking was really touching 160 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:06.279 the physical anxiety. So I could tell myself it was okay, 161 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:10.000 but physically I didn't feel that. It's almost like, if 162 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.799 you have someone who's scared of flying, you can tell 163 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:17.960 them listen, statistically, you're more in danger getting into a car, 164 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.000 and you can give them all the facts and all 165 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.399 of the data, and they will still go into a 166 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.440 panic attack thinking about going on an airplane because it's 167 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.679 a nervous system response somewhere in our past there was 168 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.360 a trigger in our body that made us believe this 169 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.559 is dangerous. And so whenever that trigger it appears, whether 170 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.240 it's fear of flying, fear of public speaking, being in 171 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:45.919 a relationship, your body starts to tighten up, it

starts 172 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:52.080 to tense, sometimes without us logically realizing it or understanding why, 173 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.639 we're just having a physical reaction. What I think is 174 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.919 very helpful to understand is that your nervous system does 175 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.159 not care if you reach your goals or if you're 176 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:08.399 spiritually evolved. Your nervous system cares about survival, and so 177 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.039 if it believes something is unsafe, whether that thing is 178 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:16.519 a healthy relationship, following your dreams speaking up, you will 179 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:21.360 have a physical response. It's like misguided self love. Your 180 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.440 body goes this is not safe. We have to find 181 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.639 a way to create a message directly to the body 182 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:31.600 saying you are safe. And when your nervous system feels safe, 183 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.120 now we can reach our goals. Now we can expand. 184 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:40.679 But at our core, we are animals looking to survive, 185 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.360 and when we have a reaction of stress, it's a 186 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:48.480 survival instinct. And tapping is that direct communication to your 187 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:53.039 body to say you're safe. You can calm down, you 188 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.320 can relax. It's safe to take the next step. 189 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.960 So when you first hear about this thing called tapping, 190 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.240 are you like this is this sounds amazing, I'm open 191 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.159 to it? Or were you hesitant? 192 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:12.000 I was so hesitant. So it started because my brother 193 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:16.279 Nick heard Tony Robbins mention it. He was at a 194 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.960 Tony Robbins event. He starts exploring it. He has incredible results. 195 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:24.240 I'm going through a really dark chapter in my life. 196 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.759 I'm really struggling. I was sick with a cold and 197 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:29.960 I had been sick for about two weeks. It was 198 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.879 one of those colds that just was not going away. 199 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.279 And he came over it and he goes, hey, I 200 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:36.720 heard you're sick. I have this new thing. You want 201 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.559 to try it? We're gonna tap on your face. And 202 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.120 I was like no, and he's like, come on, just 203 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.639 try it. And there was a moment I remember that 204 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:45.480 I'm like tapping on the top of my head and 205 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.519 I look at him and I go, Nick, if this 206 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.559 is a joke, I'm going to murder you. Because I 207 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.960 am the youngest of two older brothers and I have 208 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.519 a history of them playing practical jokes. He goes, no, no, no, no, 209 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.960 just please stick with it. But to say I was 210 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:04.240 skeptical is like, like I was incredibly skeptical. I was 211 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.399 on borderline thinking that he was pranking me. And so 212 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:12.039 but I'm tapping, and I start to feel my body settle, 213 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.279 and I start to feel my mind quieting, and I 214 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:19.879 get this this thought, and I just look at my 215 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:23.919 brother and I go, I don't want to get better, 216 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.879 And he goes, what do you mean you don't want 217 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.399 to get better? And I go, I've never thought of 218 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:34.799 this before. But if I'm not working or trying, I 219 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:38.320 feel like I'm drowning in guilt. And so the only 220 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.840 way to take a break is to be sick. And 221 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.879 it wasn't that I went out looking for a virus 222 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.440 to get me sick, but your body listens, and if 223 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.879 you believe that the only way to take a break 224 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:55.080 is to be sick, you will create that in your 225 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.480 life as a way of trying to take care of yourself. 226 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:02.320 And so I shifted my tapping from focusing on how 227 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:06.720 physically sick I felt to talking about how emotionally lost 228 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:11.879 I felt. And as I was able to say, kind 229 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.279 of those secrets, the burden I was holding. I felt 230 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.639 this this release and it was almost like if you've 231 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.279 been caring a really heavy backpack for a long time 232 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.159 and you take it off, you almost realize like you 233 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.080 didn't you forget what it felt like to not carry 234 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.960 a backpack. You're almost like a little bit like WHOA, 235 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.279 that was crazy. And I had this great breakthrough and 236 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.360 then I will be honest with you, Jonathan, I just 237 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:40.320 went on with my life because that's what we do. 238 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.720 Sometimes we find something, we feel good, we feel better, 239 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:45.759 and then we just like forget and we just go on. 240 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.960 And it was months later that I was going through 241 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.000 a breakup. I was in my early twenties. I just 242 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.080 moved back in with my parents and

I didn't want 243 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:57.519 them to hear me crying. And I was thinking like, okay, 244 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.360 how do I stop sobbing? And I was like, what 245 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:03.720 is Oh what's that thing that Nick taught me? Okay, 246 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.720 I think it's the eyebrow and the side of the eye. 247 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.559 I definitely didn't get all the points, but I did it, 248 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:13.519 and again I felt this peace, this comfort. And that's 249 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.159 when I went to my brother and we started chatting 250 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.559 and we will we should make a documentary film about this, 251 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.120 and that's really what started this journey for us. 252 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.519 I think you and I probably met shortly after that too. 253 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:28.360 What was it like twenty years ago at this. 254 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:32.200 Point, Yeah, I think it was twenty We started the 255 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.320 film came out about twenty years ago, so it was yeah, 256 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:36.240 a little after that. 257 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.799 How do you go from saying, okay, Nick discovers this 258 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.720 at an event, he brings it home to you. You 259 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.519 try it once, you're like, wow, this made a difference, 260 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:46.960 kind of forget about it for months, and then try 261 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:51.080 it again and like this is interesting to feeling like 262 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:55.120 you you know this modality, you understand it on a 263 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.080 level which lets you then turn around and say like, 264 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.759 here's how it, here's how to do it, here's how 265 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:01.320 it works. 266 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.519 Oh, it took years because we were always we started 267 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:08.720 behind the camera. And then the next thing that really 268 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:12.320 changed our lives is we decided to do an online summit, 269 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.440 which nowadays you know there's a million of them, people 270 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.639 see them all the time. But we started it eighteen 271 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.279 years ago when it didn't exist. It didn't exist that 272 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.480 you could go online and learn something, to the point 273 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.480 that you couldn't record online at that time. That first 274 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.279 tapping World Summit that we did. We had fifty thousand 275 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.879 people show up. It changed our lives. We had no 276 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.120 idea it would be so big, but there was such 277 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.799 a hunger. I think one reason there was such a 278 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.720 hunger is that people experienced it for themselves and they 279 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:45.879 wanted to figure out. They wanted to learn more, they 280 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.000 wanted to learn how they could teach it, they wanted 281 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.440 to be able to share it with their family, and 282 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.279 so it really spread there. But it was a long time. 283 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:57.639 It was many years before we decided we're good at this. 284 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.320 We have learned so much through the process of creating 285 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:02.960 these summits and the documentary. 286 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.960 Yeah, I mean I remember seeing that documentary and and 287 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.559 you basically took a small number of people with all 288 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:14.879 these different ailments and things that they were really and 289 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:19.639 then basically this this intensive a couple of days of 290 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.559 tapping and teaching them how to do this and having 291 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.399 them do it like repeatedly, and the outcomes in a 292 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:27.080 really short period of time were kind of astonishing. But 293 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.440 I remember seeing that. I'm like, on the one hand, 294 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.639 I was blown away. I was like, wow, like, if 295 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:35.679 if this is real, it's pretty incredible. But the if 296 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.480 was always there for me, you know, I was kind 297 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.000 of like like, how, like how I mean all these 298 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.720 things that that we deal with on a daily basis, 299 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:49.559 from stress to loss, to physical ailments to mental health. 300 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:52.919 You know, like, these are things that billions and billions 301 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.159 of dollars have been spent trying to figure out how 302 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:59.720 to improve, even in the slightest bit, and you're introducing 303 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:04.920 this that seems to make huge potential changes in a 304 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.480 ridiculously short period of time. So and I know that 305 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:10.920 there have been a lot of doubters along the way 306 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.960 and a lot of skeptics, and probably rightfully so, you know, 307 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:15.720 because there's a lot of stuff that a lot of 308 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:20.559 people get sold in the interim. In the last fifteen 309 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:24.680 twenty years, this has gone from a lot of claims, 310 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.839 a lot of people doing, and a metric ton of 311 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:33.319 anecdotal evidence to more science. So take me into what's 312 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.319 been going on in terms of the science behind this 313 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:38.359

at this point. 314 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.960 Yeah. Yes, And to your point, when we made the documentary, 315 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.759 we didn't have the language to explain how it worked. 316 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.400 We didn't have the research round cortisol, we didn't have 317 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.240 the brain scan studies. So we were coming into it 318 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:53.759 talking about the energetic system. That's all the only language 319 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.160 that we knew, and it wasn't until later that many people. 320 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.480 It's almost like it got too big to ignore, and 321 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.559 so a lot of people in different universities started to 322 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.319 it started to peak their interest. So far, there has 323 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.440 been three hundred published studies around the effectiveness of tapping. 324 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:14.759 That includes foreign studies as well. There's countries all over 325 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.880 the world that are also studying it. One hundred and 326 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.000 twenty of those are peer reviewed, and then fifty of 327 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.480 them are randomized trials, so that's really the gold standard. 328 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.720 The study that I think really took things to a 329 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:35.119 new level that really peaked the interest of the scientific 330 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.839 community was one done in Bond University by a woman 331 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.599 named doctor Peter Stapleton, and she did a replica study, 332 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.519 which means this study had already been done in the past. 333 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.519 It was studying cortisol levels, but the one that was 334 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.880 done in the past was by someone outside of a 335 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.880 university who was passionate about tapping. Well, she's in a university. 336 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.160 She decides, let's replicate this study, and so they had 337 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.079 three groups of peaceeople. They had one group who was 338 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.599 doing tapping. They had a second group that was doing 339 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:10.920 psycho education, which means you're learning about how to think differently, 340 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.279 how to reframe a problem. And then they had a 341 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.960 third control group, which was just relaxing, and what they 342 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.359 were testing was their cortisol. Cortisol is often known as 343 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.279 the stress hormone. We all need cortisol to help us 344 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.759 wake up in the morning, but what tends to happen 345 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:31.160 is we have an overproduction of cortisol due to stress. 346 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.680 And when you talk to any experts in the field 347 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:40.839 of brain health, digestion, immune health, really across the board, 348 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:43.920 doctors will say, you want to feel better, you've got 349 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.319 a lower cortisol, you have to lower your stress. In 350 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.200 this study, they found out they found out that the 351 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:56.000 decrease of cortisol was forty three percent from one session. 352 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.839 The control group, which was the talk therapy, it did 353 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.599 go down, it went down by nineteen percent, and then 354 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.799 the talk sorry the relaxed group, it actually went up 355 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:09.119 by two percent. And they think it's because they told 356 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.200 them they're not allowed to look at their cell phones 357 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.359 because they were trying to control it. And I think 358 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:17.359 that created anxiety for people who are dependent. But let's 359 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.119 talk about this forty three percent decrease in cortisols. So 360 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.799 not only are people saying I feel better, I feel 361 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:29.279 less stressed, but there's biomarkers showing that cordial levels are 362 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:29.880 going down. 363 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.599 Was this from one session or like a series of 364 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:35.480 sessions over time? 365 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.440 This was with one session, got it? 366 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.680 So if a single session can make a fairly immediate change, 367 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.759 I guess the curiosity becomes what if this becomes a practice, 368 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:46.359 Like what if this is just a part of your 369 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:50.519 life that you do on a daily or on a 370 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:51.680 regular basis. 371 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.200 Yeah, well that's exactly it. And I do think it's 372 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.519 good to have a distinction between the tap that we 373 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.519 do that your wife enjoys from our tapping meditations. And 374 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.000 then also there are therapists or people trained in tapping 375 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.119 who work one on one. So, for example, the studies 376 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:16.319 that I think are the most incredible, but almost I'm 377 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.400 almost disappointed by how good they are because I feel 378 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:23.319 like it creates skepticism or the studies around PTSD. But 379 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:27.440 the studies have been so great that the VA has 380 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.720 now approved tapping to be used by therapists. So if 381 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.640 you are a veteran, there's many therapists that are incorporating 382 00:21:33.680

--> 00:21:37.160 tapping and what they're realizing is that when you have 383 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.839 a traumatic experience and you're reliving it, your body is 384 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:44.440 going into that fight or flight. So if you're now 385 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.279 with the therapist, instead of just talking about it and 386 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.440 reliving it in your body, if you start to stimulate 387 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.960 the points, you're creating this new sensory of safety, and 388 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.480 it's called memory reconsolidation, because when you have a memory, 389 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.640 you'll start to have that stress response because it's saved 390 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.440 with that response. When you think about a memory, what 391 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.240 neuroscientists are realizing is you really unlock it. You can 392 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.960 think about something in your past and the same emotions 393 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.680 will come up that you experience in that moment, even 394 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.559 if it happened twenty five years ago, and then when 395 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:21.319 you stop thinking about it and you move on, it 396 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.960 saves the same way. But if you think of a 397 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.640 memory and you open that file and now instead of 398 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.799 reliving the trauma, you're now using your body to send 399 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:36.559 that signal of safety, what happens is that memory saves differently. 400 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.079 What happens stays the same, but it's not triggering your 401 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.640 body in the same way. And so that's what we're 402 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:46.160 seeing when therapists are working with those who have PTSD. 403 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:51.799 Then we have the tapping meditation where my brothers and 404 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.680 I saw these incredible results and we thought this is incredible, 405 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:58.880 and we still have the same problem. It's dependent on 406 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:01.720 someone else, and when it's three o'clock in the morning, 407 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.400 you're not going to call your therapist. And with three 408 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.359 o'clock in the morning and you're panicking, it's hard to meditate. 409 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:12.440 So we created these tapping meditations which will lead you 410 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.680 for ten to fifteen minutes to acknowledge how you're feeling, 411 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:20.359 to send that signal of safety before moving to feeling 412 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:22.799 better to a different state using the tapping. So we 413 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:27.079 have tapping with therapists, and then we have tapping meditations. 414 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.799 What's extraordinary about the tapping meditations is that within our app, 415 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.880 the Tapping Solution app, we measure zero to ten how 416 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:37.119 do you feel? So we don't celebrate, oh, you've been 417 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.240 here for three days like most apps do. They just 418 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.559 celebrate that you came back. We're like, is your anxiety better? 419 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.319 Let's see the scale. We've had thirty five million tapping 420 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:52.440 meditations completed. Eighteen million of those have data sets, which 421 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.759 means people actively put in a before and an after 422 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.559 exactly from the zero to ten scale, so we have 423 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:02.559 eighteen million data point. There is no app in the 424 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.920 mental health world that has that kind of documentation. And 425 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.640 because of that, now certain universities like Yale and Harvard 426 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.759 Medical School are turning their heads going can we look 427 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.200 at that data? 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reduction after that intervention, You've got a million data points 485 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.000 that show it. You know, that that starts to argue 486 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.400 more causation, which is a hard thing often to show. 487 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.640 Yeah, what's interesting too about the tapping is that you're 488 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:42.000 not using positive thinking, you're actually starting by focusing on 489 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.759 the negative. So you would assume that if you're just 490 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.519 focusing on how bad you feel, that you would feel worse. 491 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:49.119 Right, But what. 492 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.720 You're doing is you're retraining your body to say, even 493 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.680 though I have this thought, i'm safe. And so if 494 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.039 you have a thought but your body feels safe, well 495 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:00.000 you can think a negative thought, but it doesn't mean 496 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.519 you believe it because of your body. And that's why 497 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.599 sometimes you know, if someone says to you you're enough, 498 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.759 you're worthy, you're wonderful, your body can tense up and 499 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.359 you can go, oh, no, I don't believe that's uncomfortable 500 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.519 to hear. I don't believe that to be true. And 501 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.640 you take that physical reaction as evidence that you are 502 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.559 not enough because that would feel more comfortable. It must 503 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:29.079 be true. But when you tap on those feelings, on 504 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.039 that resistance, and you allow your body to feel safe, 505 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.799 then you're able to really let those things land. It's 506 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:39.640 almost like weeding before you plant. So we're not just 507 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.160 you know, thinking positive or saying it's going to work. 508 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.640 We're allowing people to go to their darker places to 509 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.720 tap and to send that calming signal. 510 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.119 Yeah, which brings up another curiosity of mine. It sounds 511 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.599 like what you're also implying is that you do not 512 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.079 have to believe that this works for it to work. 513 00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:58.920 Is that accurate. 514 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.920 Yes, it's very accurate, and we see it a lot 515 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:06.000 from We'll get emails from people going, my wife made 516 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.000 me do this, and I did not want to do this, 517 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.160 and I've had a breakthrough, and I know from myself 518 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:16.519 of tapping and being incredibly skeptical, So you don't have 519 00:29:16.599 -->

00:29:18.359 to believe it works. You just have to give it 520 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.480 a try. And it works differently for different people. Will 521 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.599 also be real. Some people are like, oh, yeah, I 522 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.240 feel a little bit better, and other people are going, 523 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:30.680 oh my gosh, that was incredible, So we all react 524 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.599 to it a little bit different. But I have seen 525 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.079 the biggest skeptics just come out so surprised. 526 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.279 Because we hear that inflammation is so connected to so 527 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.200 many different things. Are you aware of any research on 528 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.400 tapping and inflammatory states. 529 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.559 There's been research around. It was a small study, but 530 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.720 showing gene expression after tapping and found that certain genes 531 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:57.680 that correlated to inflammation were turned down after tapping. What 532 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.240 I find so fascinating is how many people come and 533 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.720 they focus on tapping for back pain or knee pain 534 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.759 or headaches. And when I first started doing this, I 535 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.200 was very skeptical about that. Like I understood the emotional 536 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:16.000 component that you can feel less angry or feel less stressed, 537 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.599 but for your back pain to go down, that didn't 538 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.559 make sense to me. When I started to the point 539 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.799 that when we were making the documentary, we were we 540 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.319 wanted people from all different walks of life, and there 541 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.359 was this one woman named Patricia who came to us 542 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.200 and she showed us her X ray. Her back just 543 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.160 looked like you could see the iron rod, and she 544 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.319 damaged her spinal cord, had to have emergency surgery, and 545 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.279 she was so grateful that she could still use her legs, 546 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:50.119 but the pain followed her everywhere and her life began 547 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.160 to be dictated by this pain. So my brother goes, 548 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.640 she seems great, let's use her. I go, absolutely not. 549 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:01.880 This isn't an emotional problem. He goes, Jess, I really 550 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:06.119 think that we're underestimating the emotional aspect of a trauma 551 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.920 like this when it comes to recovery. And what was 552 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.319 so fascinating is as she started to work with tapping, 553 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.079 practitioners and talking about her pain. What came up wasn't 554 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.880 the incident. What came up was that she comes from 555 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.559 a military family where independence is so important, and after 556 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.240 that injury, she needed to have her mom and dad 557 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.880 help her use the bathroom, help her shower. Suddenly her 558 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:31.920 life began to shrink, and there was a lot of 559 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.759 emotions around what that meant about her value as a 560 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:39.000 person to need help from other people. And she started 561 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.880 tapping on the emotional aspects and she described her pain 562 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.920 going down, and by the end of the event, the 563 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.880 pain was down to a one or two. We followed 564 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.559 up six months later to see if it was stuck, 565 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.640 and she said, I go to the movies and I 566 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.119 don't have to ask what kind of seats there are, 567 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.799 Like there's so much that I can do. That really 568 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.559 surprised me to see that result and to see it stick. 569 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.920 And I think we're beginning to figure out why that 570 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.839 why that is happening. This cortisol study explains a lot 571 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:20.279 because lowering cortisol lowers inflammation. Lowering your stress allows your 572 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.160 body to do what it's meant to do, which is 573 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.519 heal and recover. So it's not that the tapping is 574 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.599 miraculous and it's causing you to heal. Is that it's 575 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.880 lowering the stress, the anxiety, the pressure so that your 576 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.039 body can do what it was designed to do. Tapping 577 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.319 is all about safety. It's sending that safety signal. It's 578 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.319 having a stressful thought that's creating a panic response and 579 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:47.400 now interrupting that by stimulating these acupressure points and sending 580 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.599 that safety signal. So it really is that that makes 581 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.160 complete sense and I think that contributes to why we're 582 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.559 seeing these results. 583 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.400 Yeah, have you seen or are you aware of research? 584 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.480 You know MRI studies that show any changes in the 585 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:03.559 brain do to tapping. 586 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.079 Yes, there was a great fMRI study. This was also 587 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.759 again done at Bond University in Australia. So doctor Peter Stapleton, 588 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.519

before she decided to start doing research on tapping, she 589 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.240 specialized in eating disorders on the spectrum, so those who 590 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.640 struggle with obesity and those who struggle with anorexia. And 591 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.160 in this study she took fifty women who all qualified 592 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.680 as being considered obese. They each had horrible food cravings. 593 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.039 They wanted to change, they wanted to make a change, 594 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:40.839 they couldn't. It's a craving is very physical, and so 595 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.680 what she did is she put them in an fMRI 596 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.759 machine and she started showing them images of the foods 597 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.839 that they were craving, so the ice cream, the potato chip, 598 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.599 the fries, and you see their brain lighting up. You 599 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:58.480 see just the image of the craving will magnify the craving. 600 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.440 It's the same reason that we have commercials where you 601 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.039 see the burger at McDonald's dropping into the patty. Visually, 602 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.800 we can create cravings by just seeing those foods, and 603 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.360 so you see their brains and she has these images 604 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.599 of them lighting up from this craving. Then they went 605 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.119 off they did tapping. It was it was four or 606 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.360 eight weeks. I think it was four weeks. So they 607 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.000 did multiple sessions and the women were saying, Wow, I 608 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.159 feel so much more in control, I feel so much 609 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.480 more relaxed around food. They brought them back in the 610 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.639 fm mari machine and you can see the difference as 611 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.599 they started to see those exact same images. Their brains 612 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.400 were not lighting up in the same way, and they 613 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.599 were also reporting that they felt more in control. So 614 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.199 that also shows that tapping can change your relationship to 615 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.559 a stimuli. In this case it was food for someone else, 616 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.639 it might be getting over a breakup and their ex boyfriend, 617 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.000 or it could be something else stressing us out. We 618 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.440 can imagine that thing and begin to tap to calm 619 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.480 our body and now our brain, our brain reacts differently 620 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:09.480 to that stimuli. 621 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.840 I mean that it makes a lot intuitively, it makes sense. 622 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.960 It's interesting to hear

that there is that there's some 623 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:22.360 science and some data around that as well. In a moment, 624 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:23.800 I'm going to ask you to sort of like walk 625 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.239 me through the steps of this and and and if 626 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.119 you're up for you even guide me through sort of 627 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.280 like a micro session. But you just brought up some 628 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.079 interesting use cases and that that's making me curious. What 629 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:40.559 are some of the most common applications stress and anxiety? 630 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.000 You shared, Cravings you just mentioned, which I would not 631 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.280 have guessed. What are the other things that you see 632 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:54.400 coming up where you see this being genuinely effective on 633 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:55.320 a regular basis. 634 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.760 Yeah, I'll say I'll add quickly because this came up 635 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.840 this week. We were reviewing all of our data and 636 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.639 surprisingly our best results were with cravings, which is wow, 637 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:10.000 was surprising to me. So cravings. The other really big 638 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.079 one is intrusive thoughts. So we have certain tapping meditations 639 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.840 that are called help me stop thinking about what I did, 640 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.079 Help me stop thinking about what I said, those thought 641 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.079 loops that happen at night, that is a really big one. 642 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.639 And we have pain relief categories looking at your back pain, 643 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:33.079 or your knee pain, or the headaches. And the other 644 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.199 thing that surprised me is when we were working on 645 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.719 our latest book, we email the list because we get 646 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.360 such incredible stories all the time, and we thought, let's 647 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.599 just ask any other great stories that we might want 648 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:49.320 to put in this book. What surprised me was the 649 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:54.119 hundreds of messages of people dealing with grief using tapping, 650 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.199 saying that when they were going through the darkest moments 651 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:03.400 of losing someone, when no words could comfort them, that 652 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.840 tapping was the thing that helped them take a deep 653 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.960 breath and come back into their body. So that's been 654 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.840 my biggest surprise that that's been such a big part 655 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.880 of how tapping has been shared and how it's used. 656 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I wonder what the mechanism is

that 657 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.199 I mean, I guess because of course a part of 658 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.719 just profound loss and grief is going to be stress 659 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.519 and maybe anxiety, depending on the circumstances, but so much 660 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.840 of what else goes on that experience, if you talk 661 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.199 to enough people or you've experienced it yourself, is it's 662 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:42.280 almost indescribable. You know. The mechanism of grief is really complex. Also, 663 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.079 it affects literally every system in your body. I wonder 664 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.320 what's going on there? Do you have a take? 665 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.480 I have a theory. I think our mortality is so 666 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.480 is impossible for us to mentally comprehend suddenly someone disappearing 667 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.559 from our lives that was so, and not knowing where 668 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:06.800 are they? Why? It's it's being stuck in your head 669 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:11.880 with such sadness and unanswered questions, and there's no amount 670 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.880 of words that can answer those questions, and so you 671 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.000 spiral within your own thoughts, wondering what if it was different? 672 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.119 Where are they now? What does this mean? And tapping 673 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.280 is a way to comfort yourself in a way that 674 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:32.639 words can't, by bringing you back to your body, and 675 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.760 when you're more relaxed and more comforted. I hear people 676 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:41.760 say I had a thought or an idea or I 677 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:46.199 felt them, so I felt a sense of comfort from them. 678 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.719 So my theory is that our minds cannot really comprehend grief, 679 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:55.679 and there's no amount of talking that can settle us 680 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:57.840 the way doing something physical can. 681 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:04.840 I'm curious also about social anxiety. That is something that 682 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.880 so many people experience on a regular basis, and for 683 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.760 many people it really intrudes in their life. It keeps 684 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.880 them from keeps them from going out and being with 685 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.079 potential friends, with chosen family, from exploring job opportunities, from 686 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.679 so many of the parts of life that are genuinely good. 687 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:33.599 Have you seen have you seen data or outcomes in 688 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.920 the context of social anxiety we're tapping is effective or useful. 689 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:42.559 Yeah. Absolutely. And the reason that social anxiety exists is 690 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.079 it comes back to a survival mechanism. Our nervous system 691 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.559 for a moment believes that we are in danger. So 692 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.440 someone might think, well, what does that mean, I'm not 693 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.800 really in danger hanging out with these people. Well, our ancestors. 694 00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.719 We survive by being part of a tribe. So if 695 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:03.800 you we're rejected, then you were likely not going to survive. 696 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.039 So acceptance and wanting to be accepted is part of 697 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.679 our survival of wanting to be wanting to live. Now 698 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.880 our world has changed drastically, we're not in a small tribe. 699 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.400 We're in the Internet, we're meeting new people. It's expanded, 700 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.440 but that primal part of us sees that and goes danger. 701 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.880 Something wrong could happen. So what you have to do 702 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.599 with the tapping is going back to safety, is send 703 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.639 that safety signal to say I am safe to meet 704 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:38.639 these people, to talk for things, safe when things don't 705 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.000 go well, safe when things do go well. Because there's 706 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.760 no crystal ball that's going to give you certainty that 707 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.599 a social engagement is going to be okay. But if 708 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.639 you feel strong within yourself and you feel safe, you're 709 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.159 willing to take that risk knowing that your life really 710 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.159 isn't in danger, so your body doesn't have to react 711 00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:57.280 with such intensity. 712 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.880 Okay, So this brings up another question immediately in my mind. 713 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.320 Let's say you're in a social situation or you're like 714 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.480 you're you know, it's a fifteen minute walk or a 715 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.440 ten minute walk, you know, to a friend's house, or 716 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.280 you're on a subway, like going to a dinner party, 717 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.039 and you would love for you you would love to 718 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.519 feel good at that party. You're kind of surrounded by people, though, 719 00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:23.039 and you want to do this whole tapping thing. Is 720 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.039 there any kind of covert way. 721 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.400 To do this, Well, I'll start by saying do it 722 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.119 at home first, because you can be prevent You could 723 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:36.440 be preventative before the stress really hits. If you are 724 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.840 scared of social engagement, if you're scared of speaking in

public, 725 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.480 if you're scared of flying. You can feel stressed alone 726 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.960 in your bed at ten o'clock thinking about it. You 727 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.559 don't actually have to be there to be triggered by it. 728 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:53.159 So use the ability for us to imagine things so 729 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.679 vividly that we we stress ourselves out to your advantage 730 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.800 by thinking about the situation and tapping, just thinking about 731 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.480 maybe worst case, feeling awkward, doing some tapping. As you 732 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.440 start to relax, you can start to say more positive 733 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:16.000 things like I'm centered and calm, I speak clearly, this 734 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.800 doesn't really matter, this is not a big deal, I 735 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.280 am safe. Whatever feels like it lands for you. But 736 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.000 you have to first do the tapping on the fear 737 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.880 and where you are before you move to something positive, 738 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.039 because you need to train your brain that you're safe. 739 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.719 Even if you think that could happen, you're safe, and 740 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:36.960 then you could move to something more empowering. 741 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.280 Do you have to say the statements out loud or 742 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:41.719 can you think them. 743 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.239 You can think them. But also when you're saying something, 744 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.559 it's just a more active state to help you focus 745 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.280 on how you're really feeling. But you can say it 746 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.840 in your own mind or you can say it out loud. 747 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.079 And I think it's about figuring out what feels the easiest, 748 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.559 because if you're saying it out loud and you're uncomfortable, 749 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.639 you think, God, yeah, don't do it. Say it in 750 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.639 your own mind. And to answer your question of doing 751 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.039 it before a party, you can just tap on the 752 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.679 collarbone point. You can even press and hold to stimulate 753 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.559 the point too if you don't want to do the tapping, 754 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.480 but you don't have to do the nine points. I'm 755 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.760 going to teach everyone the nine points. And what I 756 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.159 love about this is that when you have these points, 757 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.119 you have it for the rest of your life. You 758 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.599 know where they are. So you get rear ended and 759 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.840 you're suddenly in a panic, you're not going to do 760 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.440 a tapping meditation, But when you're talking to the cop 761 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:37.280 explaining what happened, you could really gently be tapping on 762 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.119 your collar bone point to just comfort yourself and to 763 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:41.079 get those words out. 764 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.119 So it's sort of like, if you have the ability 765 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.800 to do all nine, that's optimal, but if you don't 766 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.960 for some reason, you'll still get some benefit even with 767 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.239 a narrower number of locations. 768 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:56.039 Exactly. 769 00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:00.039 Okay, let's do this because I'm sure people like you 770 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.920 you're still with us, and I hope you are. Then 771 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:04.760 you're probably curious, like. 772 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:05.880 What is it? 773 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:09.480 Like really what is this? So maybe walk me through 774 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.119 just like an overview, and then let's let's do a 775 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:14.679 little mini session together so people really understand what this 776 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:18.400 is and we'll be right back after a word from 777 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:19.159 our sponsors. 778 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.760 Back Market is the best place to get the tech 779 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.480 you need for back to school, for less, like professionally 780 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.719 refurbished smartphones, to take those first daid picks. 781 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.199 Mom, your fingers blocking the camera. 782 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:35.960 Or so they can ask you to buy a poster 783 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:40.159 board for the science Fair tomorrow. 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So for those who are listening and 809 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.519 you're just simply listening, if you're on a walk right 810 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.039 now and you hear me talk about this, just tap 811 00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.840 tap along with me. So the first point is on 812 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.519 the side of the hand, and it's underneath your pinky 813 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.440 on the fleshy part. It does not matter what side 814 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.639 of the body you tap on. Okay, So the meridian 815 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.320 lines go down both sides, so it's underneath the pinky. 816 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.800 This is where we start. The next point is the 817 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:21.599 eyebrow point, and it's where the hair of your eyebrow begins. Okay, perfect, 818 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.679 Now follow the hair of your eyebrow until you find 819 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.280 yourself on the side of the eye, right on the bone. Perfect. 820 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.280 Then we have underneath the eye on the bone, and. 821 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.480 We're really just taking is it like the first two fingers? 822 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.599 Two fingers, and it's just a firm tap. It should 823 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.880 not hurt, but you should feel it like kind of 824 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.559 tapping on a table. Underneath the nose, between the upper 825 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.119 lip and the nose, underneath the mouth, the crease between 826 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.800 the chin and the bottom lip, your collarbone point. If 827 00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:58.199 you feel your collarbone point, it's down an inch on 828 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:03.039 either side. Then you have and if you're really not 829 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:04.960 sure about the color one point I tell people just 830 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.960 use your whole hand and you can tap on your 831 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.159 chest and you're gonna head it. The next point is 832 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.719 underneath your arm and it's a hand with from your armpit. 833 00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.000 For women, it tends to be where your bra strap lies. 834 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.639 And then the last part point is on the crown 835 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:26.519 of your head. So when we're tapping, and we're gonna 836 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:28.519 give everybody an experience so they can really see what 837 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.360 this is like, you start on the side of the hand. 838 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.679 That's called the setup statement. It sets you up for 839 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:37.960 the process. Then you rotate through these eight points. And 840 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.039 as I said before, in the future, if you don't 841 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.159 remember these points like I did the second time I 842 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.599 did tapping when I was trying not to cry so loud, 843 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.079 I only knew half of them and I still felt 844 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:50.920 the results. So the best thing to do is, like 845 00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:55.480 wen in doubt, just try and just tap. So with that, Jonathan, 846 00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.880 should we have an experience? Okay? Perfect, So we're going 847 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.599 to keep this short, so I hope we move the 848 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.239 needle a little bit. But just to let you guys know, 849 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.119 we're not going to be doing this for ten minutes. 850 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.000 My intention is for everyone to have a bit of 851 00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:11.840 an experience. 852 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.920 So and for everyone joining us, by the way, like 853 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:18.280 join in, yeah, join in, yes, I mean obviously if 854 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.119 you're like if you're not driving or operating heavy machinery perfect. 855 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.000 So let's take a moment and just check in with 856 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:29.559 how we're feeling, and we're going to focus on something 857 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.199 general so it fits the most amount of people. But 858 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.360 think about any stress or tension you're feeling, your to 859 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:41.000 do list, the responsibilities you have, and when you think 860 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.719 about everything that you have going on in your life 861 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:49.119 and you notice that stress, just ask yourself how strong 862 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:53.360 is that stress? From zero to ten, ten being incredibly strong, 863 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.239 zero feeling at ease. There's no perfect number. This is 864 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:06.519 just for you. Just give your stress a number perfect. 865 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:08.960 So we're going to start tapping on the side of 866 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.400 the hand and you can repeat out loud, or you 867 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.679 can just repeat within your own mind. So on the 868 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.199

side of the hand, even though I'm feeling all of 869 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:32.679 the stress, it's safe for my body to relax one 870 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.960 more time. On the side of the hand. Even though 871 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:43.280 I have so much going on and I'm being pulled 872 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:56.760 in so many directions, I acknowledge how I feel. We're 873 00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.199 going to tap on the eyebrow point. We are going 874 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.320 to give a voice to this feeling. So simply repeat 875 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:10.039 all of this pressure side of the eye, all of 876 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:19.039 this responsibility under the eye being pulled in so many 877 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:29.159 directions under the nose. I acknowledge what I'm going through 878 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:47.559 under the mouth. I recognize this stress collar bone, all 879 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:57.840 of this pressure under the arm, all of these responsibilities 880 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:12.559 top of the head. I've been so hard on myself eyebrow. 881 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:19.280 Part of me believes side of the eye that I 882 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:27.199 need this stress under the eye, that it's just part 883 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:36.599 of life under the nose. But what if that wasn't 884 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:45.239 true under the mouth. What if it's safe to relax 885 00:51:50.320 --> 00:52:01.280 collar bone, even before everything is done under the arm. 886 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.840 It's safe for my body and my mind to take 887 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:19.400 a break top of the head. I am safe and 888 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:30.079 I am finding my way, all right, take a deep 889 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:40.679 breath in next hell. So, for many of you, congratulations 890 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.920 you've experienced your first two tapping rounds, and Jonathan a 891 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.400 very quick experience. But how did that feel for you? 892 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:58.920 It felt useful, calming that It's interesting I noticed, and 893 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:03.360 sort of like the second round through, before you you 894 00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.519 said I am safe, you started with a question like 895 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:12.079 what if? Basically like what if I was safe? Like 896 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.360 so like almost giving your my brain a chance to 897 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.519 like instead of immediately rejecting and saying but I'm not. 898 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.199 It was like it planted the question. We're like, well, 899 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.480 what if it just kind of I felt this sense 900 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.239 of like it opened me a little bit to the 901 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.679 possibility before I then made the segment that says I 902 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.800 am safe. Was intentional? 903 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.079 It is it. It's intentional because when we say things 904 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.679 like maybe maybe it's okay to relax, or what if 905 00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:41.639 it's okay to relax, it's an easy way. We don't 906 00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:45.280 want to like force feed ourselves relaxation. We want ourselves 907 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.239 to be able to land there naturally. This is why 908 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.639 this is such. It's a beautiful combination of these ancient 909 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.599 Chinese acupressure points and modern psychology of realizing that it's 910 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:01.440 within the accepting and the question sting that we begin 911 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:02.599 to move towards relief. 912 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:04.719 Yeah. 913 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:05.639 No, really cool. 914 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.159 So a couple of questions just to follow up on this. 915 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.559 If I if this wasn't actual, If I was like 916 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.239 at home and I was kind of stretching about something 917 00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.039 or feeling something or trying it, or maybe I was 918 00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:22.079 preparing for a talk and I was nervous, how long 919 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.000 would I actually how long would an actual full session be? 920 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.320 That's like the million dollar question that I always get 921 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.679 asked that I wish I had an answer, but everybody 922 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.559 is so different. So when we do tapping meditations, we 923 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.800 do fifteen minutes because or under fifteen minutes because we 924 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.239 feel like for most people that's an easy thing to 925 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.679 say yes to. A lot of times they're five minutes. 926 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.639 Because some tapping is better than no tapping if you're 927 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.679 doing it by yourself, I would say giving yourself ten 928 00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.360 to fifteen minutes and taking breaks like being able to 929 00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.440 start and go. I am enraged with this person. I 930 00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.679 am going to tap, and I'm going to pretend I'm 931 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.800 speaking to a friend and I'm going to tell them 932 00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:06.400 why they wronged me all or literally call your friend. 933 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.039 You're already going to tell them the story, but tap 934 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.559 on these points while you're talking about it. I do 935 00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:13.360 this with my kids all the time. They'll come to 936 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.320 me crying over something that happened, and I'll be like, okay, 937 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.639 you can tell me everything that happened, but is it 938 00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.119 okay if I tap while you tell me. And they 939 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.559 go

yeah, and I start to tap, and they said, 940 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.679 then they did this and I told them not to. 941 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.159 And I could see like as they are talking about it, 942 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.880 they're one acknowledging how they're feel and they're sending a 943 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.840 calming signal saying that they're safe, and so I see 944 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.159 their whole body begin to relax as they tell me 945 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.760 the story. So it really is about knowing the points, 946 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:46.000 allow yourself to be upset, to simply talk about it, 947 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.960 and then only move towards the maybe statements or how 948 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.039 you want to feel if it feels true, if you're 949 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.559 rejecting it, if you're saying I am enough in your 950 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.719 whole bodies going no, you're moving too fast to the positive, 951 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.800 or you can experience, you know, a tap meditation and 952 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:01.639 be led through it. 953 00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.199 Yeah, it's funny as you're describing that. Also, people often 954 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:13.079 ask me about meditation, and I'm a huge advocate of meditation. 955 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:14.800 It's been a big part of my life for many, many, 956 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.679 many years, and I almost always invite people if they've 957 00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.679 never done it before, rather than just sort of like 958 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.960 trying to sit quietly and do the thing themselves, find 959 00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.440 just a couple of guided versions, you know, find voices 960 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:33.599 that you like, find just approaches and durations that just 961 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.480 kind of work for you, and let yourself be guided 962 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.880 sort of in the beginning days, especially until you start 963 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.840 to really feel comfortable and you have the language yourself 964 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.320 and then slowly experiment with moving out and just doing 965 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.639 it completely on your own. Would you take a similar approach? 966 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.639 I wish I said exactly that answer. I'm going to 967 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.199 steal that from my next podcast. 968 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:57.239 That's exactly it awesome And for those listening of just 969 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:01.039 mentioned it very early in a conversation, but they've created 970 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:05.000 an app with how many meditations our sessions are on 971 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:05.239 the now. 972 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.519 I think we're at seven hundred. 973 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.360 Right, So there's I mean, this is a great place 974 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:15.760 to start. It's a fantastic

resource. And I guess one 975 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.159 final curiosity here too. You've been doing this for closing 976 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.760 in on two decades now, started as a total skeptic, 977 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.639 didn't expect this in your life, experience it and something 978 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.000 and you said, this has to be a part of 979 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.039 what I'm doing. Not only you, but like your family, 980 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.960 your siblings. Why does this matter so much to you? 981 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.199 That's such a beautiful question, I feel really deeply. I 982 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.840 think the people who are attracted to this kind of 983 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.119 work are people who feel deeply and I know what 984 00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:53.559 it feels like to not feel at home in your body, 985 00:57:54.119 --> 00:58:01.239 to feel lost, and tapping gave me control again. It 986 00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.920 helped me begin to question the voices in my head 987 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.239 that we're saying that I was not good enough or 988 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:12.039 that I wasn't going to amount to anything. And it's 989 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:16.119 so important to me to share because so often we 990 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.639 are living a lie. We are believing that we're not 991 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.880 good enough, and we're collecting evidence to prove ourselves right. 992 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.920 And the moment we let go of the stress and 993 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.199 we connect with that silent part within, we start to 994 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.119 doubt those negative thoughts and realize that we're so much 995 00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:37.119 more powerful than we ever expected, and that creates that 996 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:42.000 ripple effect. So I think I'm a very long way 997 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.599 to answer this, but I will try to condense it 998 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:48.400 by saying, when you feel deeply and you felt such pain, 999 00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:51.199 when you feel relief, you can't help but to want 1000 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:51.800 to share it with. 1001 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:55.960 Everybody feels a good place for us to come full 1002 00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.480 circle as well. So in this container of a good 1003 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.239 life project, if I offer up the phrase to live 1004 00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:02.800 a good life, what comes up. 1005 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.679 To live a good life is to care about the 1006 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.840 people who love you and only care for their opinions. 1007 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:14.800 To live a good life is to not be dictated 1008 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.320 by the world around you, but to have a core 1009 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.480 group of people that you love and that love you. 1010 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.480 Thank you. So let's talk about some of the big 1011 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.320 AHAs and actionable takeaways from this combo. One thing that 1012 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.119 I'm really kind of noodling on is something that Jessica 1013 00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.320 said early on, almost as a throwaway, but it. 1014 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:34.079 Stayed with me. 1015 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:38.280 Your nervous system does not care if you reach your goals. 1016 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:42.280 It cares about survival. And when we understand that, a 1017 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.679 lot of things that kind of click into place. Why 1018 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:49.599 logic doesn't touch the physical anxiety, Why your enough can 1019 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.920 make your body tense instead of relax, and while you 1020 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:57.199 can know something is safe and still feel panicked. Three 1021 00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:59.400 things from this conversation that I also want you to 1022 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:03.440 carry with you the quote reading before planting idea. You 1023 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.559 cannot skip over the hard feeling to get to the relief. 1024 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.920 You have to let the body acknowledge what it's actually 1025 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.519 holding first. That's what the setup statement does and tapping, 1026 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.920 and it's why it works, you know, when positive affirmations 1027 01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.360 alone don't. The second is memory reconsolidation. It turns out 1028 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.960 when you open a memory and your body sends a 1029 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.960 safety signal at the same time the memory, it just 1030 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.800 saves down differently. That has applications not just for tapping, 1031 01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.239 but for how you approach any hard thing from your past. 1032 01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:40.199 And then that forty three percent number one session measurable 1033 01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:44.559 cortisol reduction peer reviewed study that Jessica shared, that's not 1034 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:48.159 just a claim. That sounds like a science backed biomarket 1035 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:50.480 to me. I'll be exploring that in More Death myself. 1036 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:54.320 Notice this week, where your body is ahead of your thinking, 1037 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:58.599 where you tense before you've decided to that gap is 1038 01:00:58.639 --> 01:00:59.960 where this work lives. 1039 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:01.599 And hey, before you leave. 1040 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.320 Next week, we're sitting down with an old friend, Lisa Peterson, 1041 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.719 to talk about why the quiet question am I actually behind? 1042 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:09.320 With money? 1043 01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:10.960 What is enough? 1044 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:13.840 Never goes away no matter how many articles you've read 1045 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.960 or podcasts you've listened to, and what it actually takes 1046 01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.000 to resolve it at the level that it lives. Be 1047 01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.039 sure to follow a Good Light Project wherever you get 1048 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.719 your podcasts so you don't miss that or any other 1049 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:28.280 upcoming episodes, and do me a quick favor share this 1050 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:32.079 with just one person. This episode of Good Light Project 1051 01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:35.480 was produced by executive producers Linda Fox and me Jonathan Fields, 1052 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.719 editing helped by Troy Young Chris Carter crafted Earth theme 1053 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.039 music and of course if you haven't already, please go 1054 01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.840 ahead and follow us wherever you get your podcasts so 1055 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.440 you never miss a conversation until next time. 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