บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Paul McCartney

35 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:24.219 some technical difficulties. 36 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:27.520 Oh, no, that's good. We were having some technical difficulties also. 37 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:29.120 Am I speaking to you in England? 38 00:02:29.830 --> 00:02:30.050 Yes. 39 00:02:30.830 --> 00:02:31.689 Hi, Stella. 40 00:02:31.710 --> 00:02:33.110 Hi, Amy. 41 00:02:33.189 --> 00:02:35.349 I actually like you a lot. I can't believe it 42 00:02:35.389 --> 00:02:37.719 took this to get us together. 43 00:02:38.069 --> 00:02:38.289 I know. 44 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.879 I've had the pleasure of being invited and dressed by you, 45 00:02:42.419 --> 00:02:45.060 but I've had the chance to go to many events 46 00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:49.439 where you have been, where I've had like a very 47 00:02:49.539 --> 00:02:51.919 quick drive by. And every time I've gotten a chance 48 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.370 to spend time with you, I've really wanted more because 49 00:02:55.729 --> 00:02:58.610 I'm such a fan of you, your work, your creativity, 50 00:02:58.830 --> 00:03:02.710 how you conduct yourself in the world. And it's really, 51 00:03:02.729 --> 00:03:04.560 really nice to talk to you today. Thank you for 52 00:03:04.590 --> 00:03:05.159 talking to us. 53 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:08.500 Likewise. Wow. That was a bit serious. That's freaked me out. 54 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:08.699 Yeah. 55 00:03:08.740 --> 00:03:09.539 It got very serious. 56 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:10.340 Never do that again. 57 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:11.659 Never. 58 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.479 I know you Brits, you Brits, you can't, one compliment 59 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:16.539 and you guys get real. 60 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.930 Honestly, I'm nearly, I vomited a tiny bit in my mouth. 61 00:03:19.969 --> 00:03:21.310 Well, you know, get used to it. 62 00:03:21.569 --> 00:03:23.009 I am great. I'll take it. 63 00:03:23.250 --> 00:03:26.050 Are you in the middle of a, of a, show 64 00:03:26.090 --> 00:03:27.789 right now are we what are we. 65 00:03:27.789 --> 00:03:30.270 Perfect timing thanks for that I have a show in 66 00:03:30.289 --> 00:03:32.889 about three days in Paris I'm not busy at all 67 00:03:32.969 --> 00:03:35.969 Amy so you know the time difference and everything it's 68 00:03:36.009 --> 00:03:38.280 perfect it's brilliant I was kind of wondering what I'd 69 00:03:38.300 --> 00:03:41.560 do tonight and this just filled filled a hole I. 70 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.479 Mean what I imagine is going through your mind right 71 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.099 now with three days to go but at three days 72 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.500 to go before a show what is left to do 73 00:03:50.860 --> 00:03:52.080 is it everything. 74 00:03:51.740 --> 00:03:55.810 Pretty much yeah yeah yeah Yeah. I mean, we only 75 00:03:55.870 --> 00:04:00.639 started last night. So I've got a lot of little... Actually, 76 00:04:00.659 --> 00:04:03.740 I've got children I'm using to help stitch some things now. 77 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:05.500 They're not my own. 78 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.819 She jokes, she jests. 79 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:11.550 Obviously, I'm a sustainable, cruelty-free fashion brand. 80 00:04:11.710 --> 00:04:13.430 You grew up on a farm, right? 81 00:04:13.590 --> 00:04:14.009 I did. 82 00:04:14.590 --> 00:04:16.290 What was it like to grow up on a farm? 83 00:04:16.329 --> 00:04:18.529 What were your morning jobs? What did you have to 84 00:04:18.569 --> 00:04:19.170 do in the morning? 85 00:04:19.370 --> 00:04:19.810 Wow. 86 00:04:20.069 --> 00:04:21.370 Well, in Scotland. 87 00:04:22.209 --> 00:04:25.430 With my siblings, it was normally just self-entertainment. 88 00:04:25.550 --> 00:04:28.410 I used to take rocks and bang them on us. 89 00:04:28.889 --> 00:04:31.120 And I'm not joking. I used to take rocks and 90 00:04:31.129 --> 00:04:31.589 I'd bang. 91 00:04:31.509 --> 00:04:37.779 Them on other rocks. That's about it, really. No, a 92 00:04:37.779 --> 00:04:39.660 lot of horse riding, but rocks on rocks. 93 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:40.379 Yeah. 94 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.220 And did you have to, did you like, I'm going 95 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.379 to admit something. This is a very like suburban city 96 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:49.810 girl thing, I'm going to admit. So you might think 97 00:04:49.850 --> 00:04:54.290 less of me. I've never reached in under a hen 98 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:55.009 to get an egg. 99 00:04:55.509 --> 00:04:58.610 Oh, I did it all the time. Yeah, yeah. And 100 00:04:58.670 --> 00:05:02.529 never particularly enjoyable. Not really one of my, a little scary. 101 00:05:02.670 --> 00:05:04.769 I would be a little afraid to get, do you 102 00:05:04.810 --> 00:05:08.290 have to ask the hen to move first or do you? 103 00:05:08.550 --> 00:05:08.829 Yeah. 104 00:05:09.029 --> 00:05:09.509 Yeah. 105 00:05:09.970 --> 00:05:12.769 In fact, not many people know this about me, but 106 00:05:12.810 --> 00:05:15.129 I'm very good at impersonating chickens. 107 00:05:16.170 --> 00:05:16.709 Really? 108 00:05:17.329 --> 00:05:17.939 Can we hear? 109 00:05:17.949 --> 00:05:26.230 Yeah. So I'm quite good. 110 00:05:26.410 --> 00:05:29.930 I can converse with a chicken amongst many other things. 111 00:05:31.069 --> 00:05:34.439 So I'm bilingual in that respect. But I did have 112 00:05:34.449 --> 00:05:36.639 to go out and get the eggs when I was young. 113 00:05:36.819 --> 00:05:42.790 Well, your parents were like... it just seemed like they 114 00:05:42.870 --> 00:05:47.290 wanted so much to create a beautiful, like peaceful and 115 00:05:47.350 --> 00:05:51.050 loving childhood for you. And, you know, it seemed like 116 00:05:51.089 --> 00:05:54.069 that's what they gave you. And I'm talking to your 117 00:05:54.100 --> 00:05:58.160 dad today and you've probably spent the entirety of your 118 00:05:58.220 --> 00:06:01.060 life having people ask you questions and talk to you 119 00:06:01.160

--> 00:06:05.000 about your dad. And I, I, I, I wonder what 120 00:06:05.019 --> 00:06:07.240 it is like to have to kind of share your 121 00:06:08.019 --> 00:06:09.060 parents with the world. 122 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.810 Yeah, it is quite weird. I mean, I've only ever 123 00:06:11.870 --> 00:06:14.129 known that, to be honest. It's not like I've had 124 00:06:14.209 --> 00:06:16.910 another sort of experience. That is my experience. 125 00:06:16.970 --> 00:06:20.180 And it's definitely... trippy. 126 00:06:19.810 --> 00:06:22.699 And weird and surreal but I think also I was 127 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.680 brought up it was very extreme you know we were 128 00:06:25.740 --> 00:06:27.579 on a farm it was just the six of us 129 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:29.420 and we were like in a tight all in one 130 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.779 room and mum was cooking dad was shearing sheep and 131 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.000 writing songs and then we were on tour you know 132 00:06:36.019 --> 00:06:38.519 with like 200,000 people screaming at your. 133 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.399 Parents yeah you all went on tour together yeah oh 134 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.800 how fun how fun. 135 00:06:44.459 --> 00:06:46.759 Yeah I was kind of angry when I was 18 136 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.769 because I was building friendships and I was kind of 137 00:06:49.790 --> 00:06:51.310 getting into the swing of my own thing and I 138 00:06:51.329 --> 00:06:52.829 was like what really we have to go on a 139 00:06:52.870 --> 00:06:56.790 world tour but it was it's amazing it's what it's 140 00:06:56.870 --> 00:06:59.509 actually one of the most I think the biggest privileges 141 00:06:59.610 --> 00:07:01.790 actually of being in my situation is being able to 142 00:07:02.430 --> 00:07:07.310 just truly see the world from you know from that 143 00:07:07.379 --> 00:07:09.720 perspective just try to travel and to see so many 144 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:11.279 different cultures and people and. 145 00:07:11.910 --> 00:07:13.870 And also it was all very much built from love. 146 00:07:13.910 --> 00:07:15.930 You know, everything that my mum and dad did was like, 147 00:07:15.949 --> 00:07:18.370 came from a place of love. But I'm also not 148 00:07:18.629 --> 00:07:23.139 particularly like a look at me type, if you can 149 00:07:23.180 --> 00:07:23.519 believe it. 150 00:07:23.819 --> 00:07:24.720 So actually when I. 151 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.120 Went, for me going into fashion was a more creative 152 00:07:27.180 --> 00:07:27.879 way of doing things. 153 00:07:27.899 --> 00:07:31.230 I'm just standing slightly behind the kind of spot, you know, 154 00:07:31.250 --> 00:07:32.209 I'm not an entertainer. 155 00:07:32.230 --> 00:07:33.230 She says. 156 00:07:33.250 --> 00:07:40.300 Yeah. Imagine if I broke into song right now. 157 00:07:40.819 --> 00:07:43.199 Well, we did hear a chicken impression earlier. We did 158 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:44.319 hear that impression. 159

00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:46.959 Let me hear your chicken. And what's your animal? Go on, 160 00:07:46.980 --> 00:07:49.470 I'll give you, I'll be kind. What's your best animal? 161 00:07:50.009 --> 00:07:51.649 I don't know. I don't know. 162 00:07:51.670 --> 00:07:52.089 Shut up. 163 00:07:52.230 --> 00:07:53.689 Everyone knows their best animal. 164 00:07:53.709 --> 00:07:54.490 Jesus. 165 00:07:54.750 --> 00:07:58.480 My best animal. Okay, you know what? Okay, I'm going 166 00:07:58.500 --> 00:07:59.649 to try a cat for you. 167 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.579 Wait, is this the first time you've ever impersonated a cat? 168 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:04.839 In public, yes. 169 00:08:05.420 --> 00:08:06.560 Wow, okay. 170 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.240 Well, you're welcome, viewers. 171 00:08:09.579 --> 00:08:12.720 And here's how I feel about cats. They're fine. I 172 00:08:12.779 --> 00:08:15.110 don't love them. I don't hate them, of course. 173 00:08:15.129 --> 00:08:16.790 That's a cat at the door. Wait a minute. 174 00:08:17.050 --> 00:08:17.949 All right, here we go. 175 00:08:17.970 --> 00:08:18.310 Okay, go. 176 00:08:19.110 --> 00:08:20.410 Meow. 177 00:08:20.470 --> 00:08:27.490 Meow. Meow. The beginning was very good. 178 00:08:27.689 --> 00:08:29.850 I think people are laughing because it's so good. But 179 00:08:32.210 --> 00:08:33.779 you bring up something that I think is very interesting. 180 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.259 A lot of people that have public facing jobs are 181 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:40.799 actually kind of secretly introverted. people would probably be surprised 182 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.500 to hear that you consider yourself at times introverted. 183 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:46.730 I mean, I don't think, I wouldn't say I'm introverted. 184 00:08:46.769 --> 00:08:47.669 That's going a little far. 185 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:52.149 I'm just not, look, my example of an extrovert is 186 00:08:52.169 --> 00:08:56.029 Paul McCartney. So it's not like, oh, I'm an introvert. 187 00:08:56.090 --> 00:08:58.190 I mean, I'm not, compared to him, I'm an introvert. 188 00:08:58.269 --> 00:09:00.990 You know, I grew up with around SNL comedians. So I, 189 00:09:01.029 --> 00:09:03.639 you know, some of those, as you know better than anything, 190 00:09:04.340 --> 00:09:07.179 are extrovert and others really aren't, but they're still performers. 191 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:07.279 Sure. 192 00:09:07.850 --> 00:09:08.049 Yeah. 193 00:09:08.409 --> 00:09:10.149 You know, I want to talk to your dad about 194 00:09:10.169 --> 00:09:12.149 that because he's around SNL all the time. I mean, 195 00:09:12.190 --> 00:09:13.840 he's basically... I can't get rid of him. 196 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:15.039 I'm like, again? 197 00:09:15.580 --> 00:09:15.980 Really? 198 00:09:16.539 --> 00:09:20.480 Jesus, play hard to get a little bit. I actually 199 00:09:20.500 --> 00:09:23.019 went to the one, the end of last season. It 200 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.200 was great. It was really good fun. With Will Farrell. 201 00:09:25.539 --> 00:09:27.610 So he had Will on. I was like, I am coming. 202 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.389 And I saw Will on your show. You guys were brilliant. 203 00:09:31.490 --> 00:09:33.789 And I was like, Dad. And on the way over there, 204 00:09:33.809 --> 00:09:34.370 I was talking. 205 00:09:34.409 --> 00:09:36.889 I said, Dad, please tell me you're going to get 206 00:09:36.950 --> 00:09:38.350 Will on to do the cowbell. 207 00:09:38.470 --> 00:09:40.809 And he was like, what cowbell? I'm like, what? 208 00:09:41.669 --> 00:09:42.490 What? 209 00:09:42.529 --> 00:09:45.889 Like, you know the cowbell sketch. Anyway, so then he did. 210 00:09:45.909 --> 00:09:47.429 But then he got Will to do cowbell. 211 00:09:48.250 --> 00:09:48.590 He did. 212 00:09:48.610 --> 00:09:49.509 Again, you're welcome. 213 00:09:49.529 --> 00:09:51.100 Thank you, Stella. 214 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.759 He didn't really give me credit, which is annoying. 215 00:09:56.259 --> 00:09:57.600 Well, I mean, I want to talk to him about 216 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.100 Lauren and that relationship at SNL because you're right. I mean, 217 00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:04.799 he was around a lot and their affection for each 218 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:09.200 other is very sweet. Like they, you know, I mean, honestly, 219 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.259 you know, you get to a point in life where 220 00:10:12.340 --> 00:10:14.490 you become, you know, you're friends with people for 40, 50, 221 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.210 60 years and and it there's so much history there 222 00:10:18.250 --> 00:10:20.289 and it's really sweet to hear them talk about each 223 00:10:20.350 --> 00:10:21.309 other they are. 224 00:10:21.190 --> 00:10:23.590 Very very good old friends actually i mean they do 225 00:10:23.629 --> 00:10:25.710 yoga you've heard about yoga boys right i. 226 00:10:26.029 --> 00:10:28.210 Like that you call them yoga boys they're the. 227 00:10:28.149 --> 00:10:31.909 Yoga boys they call themselves the yoga boys be honest 228 00:10:31.950 --> 00:10:34.600 to god actually no i must get them t-shirts for 229 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:36.100 christmas yoga. 230 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.000 Boys Not even yoga men, yoga boys. 231 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.299 Yes, because they're always learning. They're in a beginner's mind. 232 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.000 Childlike, for sure. 233 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:50.759 So what is a question I should ask him? Like anything, 234 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.659 like a story that he would want to tell or 235 00:10:55.059 --> 00:11:00.240 something you still don't know about him or anything you 236 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:04.120 think I should not talk to him about? That's always 237 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:04.860 helpful too. 238 00:11:05.580 --> 00:11:08.019 No, he's pretty, he's pretty approachable, I would say. 239 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:10.539 Yeah, I mean, I can

think of things that you 240 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.860 shouldn't ask him, but you won't ask him those. And 241 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:14.919 if you do, it'll be hilarious to watch. I'm just 242 00:11:14.940 --> 00:11:19.710 going to watch that unfold, quite frankly. I've got two questions. 243 00:11:19.769 --> 00:11:20.850 Am I allowed two questions? 244 00:11:20.950 --> 00:11:21.929 Yes, of course. 245 00:11:22.129 --> 00:11:27.129 The first one, I think, is, I guess I just 246 00:11:27.149 --> 00:11:30.090 want to kind of start by saying, you know, my dad. 247 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:32.919 is truly a living legend. 248 00:11:32.980 --> 00:11:37.470 Like he really is an absolute icon. He's inspired so 249 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:41.970 many generations of so many people and his impact on, 250 00:11:42.169 --> 00:11:46.549 you know, planet earth has been just gigantic. Like he 251 00:11:46.610 --> 00:11:49.629 continues to just give and give and give. And I 252 00:11:49.669 --> 00:11:52.360 think he does that through lyrics, you know? So one 253 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:54.220 thing that before my question, I just wanted to read 254 00:11:54.340 --> 00:11:57.240 out some of my favorite and like deep, you know, 255 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:02.279 most meaningful lyrics by him. So yeah, So I sat 256 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:05.639 in the attic, a piano up my nose, and the 257 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:10.429 wind played a dreadful cantata, cantata, cantata. 258 00:12:10.970 --> 00:12:11.730 Sore was I. 259 00:12:11.730 --> 00:12:14.789 From a crack of an enemy's hose and the horrible 260 00:12:14.950 --> 00:12:23.549 sound of tomata, tomata, tomata. Ketchup, ketchup. Soup and puree, 261 00:12:24.190 --> 00:12:30.750 soup and puree, don't get left behind, don't get left behind. Ketchup, ketchup, 262 00:12:31.299 --> 00:12:34.840 soup and puree, soup and puree, don't get left behind. 263 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:37.899 Now it continues, it continues if you want a little more. 264 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:42.519 My piano was boldly outspoken in attempts to repeat his refrain, 265 00:12:42.860 --> 00:12:45.080 so I stood with a knot in my stomach and 266 00:12:45.100 --> 00:12:49.830 I gazed at that terrible sight of two youngsters concealed 267 00:12:49.870 --> 00:12:51.590 in a barrel, smoking. 268 00:12:52.330 --> 00:12:53.830 Monkberry Moon Delight. 269 00:12:56.009 --> 00:12:59.929 My first question, I think, for my father is, Have 270 00:12:59.970 --> 00:13:02.309 you ever smoked Monkberry Moon Delight? 271 00:13:02.610 --> 00:13:03.159 And what is it? 272 00:13:03.809 --> 00:13:06.929 Fantastic question. It's from my favorite album. From Ram. 273 00:13:07.429 --> 00:13:09.149 Which actually is my mum and dad. 274 00:13:09.309 --> 00:13:09.490 Yeah. 275 00:13:09.509 --> 00:13:11.409 I think my mum shared in those lyrics, actually. 276 00:13:11.450 --> 00:13:13.769 I think she can take a bit of credit there, too. 277 00:13:14.210 --> 00:13:15.860 It's called Monkberry Moon Delight. 278 00:13:16.269 --> 00:13:16.529 Great. 279 00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:17.899 And it does go on. 280 00:13:17.940 --> 00:13:20.940 And in fact, there's a bit about cats and kittens there. 281 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.159 And it's a good one. So that's probably my first question. 282 00:13:24.379 --> 00:13:27.519 Has he ever smoked Monkberry Moon Delight? And what the 283 00:13:27.659 --> 00:13:33.759 fuck do those lyrics mean? So that's my first question. 284 00:13:33.779 --> 00:13:34.559 Okay, great. 285 00:13:34.659 --> 00:13:35.580 What is that about? 286 00:13:35.860 --> 00:13:38.279 My other question, which is serious, which actually I asked 287 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:41.350 my dad this the other day and I want to 288 00:13:41.419 --> 00:13:43.629 see how he answers it to you because I was 289 00:13:43.830 --> 00:13:46.950 really surprised by the answer, like really surprised. And so 290 00:13:46.970 --> 00:13:50.169 this is my gift to you, this question, which is 291 00:13:50.309 --> 00:13:52.929 what is your first memory, dad? 292 00:13:53.730 --> 00:13:54.610 Ah, beautiful. 293 00:13:54.830 --> 00:13:56.649 And I really want to know what he answers to 294 00:13:56.710 --> 00:13:59.710 you because I was like, wow, that's great. 295 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.789 What a great question to ask someone. I think your 296 00:14:03.820 --> 00:14:06.000 dad will be very happy that we talked because I 297 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.259 hope he feels like I've gotten some good advice. 298 00:14:08.419 --> 00:14:11.419 I love that you asked me. I feel very honored. 299 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.179 Seriously, I feel very, very honored that you asked me 300 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:16.759 because let's face it, you could have asked anyone to 301 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:17.909 ask Paul McCartney a question. 302 00:14:18.289 --> 00:14:21.210 And everyone would have said yes. Actually, that's amazing you 303 00:14:21.269 --> 00:14:22.330 asked me, Amy. Thank you. 304 00:14:22.470 --> 00:14:23.350 Of course. 305 00:14:23.990 --> 00:14:26.110 Thank you for doing it. And we'd love to get 306 00:14:26.149 --> 00:14:28.429 you into the stude. I have not had a designer 307 00:14:29.190 --> 00:14:31.789 and I feel like I would. Okay, great. 308 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:32.409 Good. 309 00:14:32.750 --> 00:14:35.340 And good luck with that. I hope those questions are okay. 310 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.460 They're perfect. Well, much love to you, darling, and take care. 311 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:40.139 Thank you for having me. 312 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:43.100 Thanks so much for doing it. Bye, Stella. Great to 313 00:14:43.139 --> 00:14:44.100 see you. Thanks again. 314 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:44.480 Bye. 315 00:14:44.580 --> 00:14:45.080 Bye, honey. 316 00:14:45.259 --> 00:14:45.549 Thank you. 317 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:51.009 This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate 318 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:54.309 first could save

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Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. 326 00:15:21.389 --> 00:15:22.149 Hi, Paul. 327 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:23.220 Hey, Amy. 328 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:26.220 Do you get this a lot where people are kind 329 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:29.440 of nervous around you and you feel the energy and 330 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:31.600 you have to figure out how to make them feel 331 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:34.179 less nervous? Like that must be a thing you're used to. 332 00:15:34.210 --> 00:15:34.750 Yeah. 333 00:15:34.929 --> 00:15:35.389 Do you have a trick? 334 00:15:35.409 --> 00:15:38.379 No, exactly, yeah. A trick, I don't know, just to 335 00:15:38.419 --> 00:15:42.200 kind of be normal. Yeah. You know, I was lucky. 336 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:44.480 I was one of those guys, I grew up with 337 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:46.080 a kind of very normal family. 338 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:46.539 Yeah. 339 00:15:46.820 --> 00:15:48.070 You know, it was one of those families where you 340 00:15:48.110 --> 00:15:52.990 get past the baby. Yeah. So, whereas I know some 341 00:15:53.049 --> 00:15:55.409 people when they grow up and they have a baby, 342 00:15:55.450 --> 00:15:58.250 they're like really scared of it. It's like, oh no, 343 00:15:58.309 --> 00:16:02.259 you know what I mean? So that, I think, I 344 00:16:02.299 --> 00:16:03.549 just use that. 345 00:16:03.570 --> 00:16:05.450 It's so funny you say that because of the many 346 00:16:05.509 --> 00:16:07.210 things I want to talk to you about today. You 347 00:16:07.250 --> 00:16:08.889 seem very comfortable around babies. 348 00:16:09.350 --> 00:16:11.470 Yeah, I think so. 349 00:16:11.570 --> 00:16:14.700 Because that iconic photo of you, I think, with Mary 350 00:16:14.740 --> 00:16:17.379 in your jacket, that was so ahead of its time. 351 00:16:18.029 --> 00:16:21.759 Like you, a man carrying a baby. You just never 352 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:23.679 saw it. You never saw it. 353 00:16:23.899 --> 00:16:26.360 I mean, that was just how we used to do it. 354 00:16:26.379 --> 00:16:29.379 You know, I used to go riding with her like that. Yeah. 355 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:34.649 On the horse. I'm in the 70s. Well, she's now 356 00:16:34.970 --> 00:16:36.429 a mother of four boys. 357 00:16:36.450 --> 00:16:37.450 Oh, man. 358 00:16:37.509 --> 00:16:37.870 She's busy. 359 00:16:37.889 --> 00:16:39.309 That little baby in my jacket. 360 00:16:39.330 --> 00:16:39.830 Oh, God. 361 00:16:40.269 --> 00:16:42.799 Okay, well, Paul McCartney is here. You have such a 362 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.519 wild life and timeline that it's kind of like intimidating 363 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.299 to talk to you for just an hour and a half. 364 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.919 So if you'll bear with me, I'll probably jump around 365 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:54.080 a lot. Okay. And the reason why is because I 366 00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:57.100 have this theory that you're a bit of a time traveler, 367 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.919 I think. Do you believe in time travel? 368 00:17:00.340 --> 00:17:00.919 No. Oh. 369 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:04.289 Then forget my theory. A little bit. I feel like 370 00:17:04.630 --> 00:17:07.170 sometimes I wasn't the age that I was. I felt 371 00:17:07.289 --> 00:17:08.009 older or younger. 372 00:17:08.029 --> 00:17:15.470 You can see someone about that. I mean, there's people 373 00:17:15.490 --> 00:17:18.569 to talk to. No, no, I kind of know what 374 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:18.950 you mean. 375 00:17:19.009 --> 00:17:21.769 Yeah, like, I mean, I felt like, I feel like you're, 376 00:17:21.789 --> 00:17:25.119 I don't know, you seem, you seemed when you were 377 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:29.859 young that you were older, if that makes any sense. 378 00:17:29.900 --> 00:17:33.359 No, it does really. And I used to look at 379 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.009 the lyrics of Yesterday. I'm not half the man I 380 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:39.619 used to be. Suddenly, I'm not half the man I 381 00:17:39.619 --> 00:17:43.480 used to be. Well, I was like 21. So half 382 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.440 the man would put me at like about 10 and 383 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:46.539 a half. 384 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.619 You were writing When I'm 64 when you were 20-something. 385 00:17:49.700 --> 00:17:50.119 Yeah. 386 00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:52.720 And you were considered retired at 27. 387 00:17:52.700 --> 00:17:53.140 I guess.... 388 00:17:58.569 --> 00:18:01.869 I'm interested in this idea of, do you feel like 389 00:18:01.890 --> 00:18:04.029 there's an age that you are? Do you feel like 390 00:18:04.049 --> 00:18:05.329 there's an age you feel? 391 00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:08.970 I kind of, I think like a lot of people, 392 00:18:09.069 --> 00:18:12.329 I mean, you sort of feel like you stop at 393 00:18:12.380 --> 00:18:18.599 about 25. Yeah. So I'm 25. Yeah. In my head. Yeah. 394 00:18:18.779 --> 00:18:20.839 You know, then I look in the mirror and go, no, 395 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:26.069 you're not. Yeah, me too. You're old. Yeah. But yeah, no, I... 396 00:18:27.390 --> 00:18:31.259 I like that. I mean, in the Beatles, we used 397 00:18:31.299 --> 00:18:33.299 to have this sort of thing whenever there was like 398 00:18:33.339 --> 00:18:37.640 a

question about a piece of music or something to do, 399 00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:40.819 whether it would go on tour or whatever, and we 400 00:18:40.859 --> 00:18:43.990 couldn't figure out the answer. We'd say, what would we 401 00:18:44.029 --> 00:18:48.329 have thought when we were 17? What would that guy 402 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:51.470 have said? We're not doing it. You know, because that 403 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:54.200 guy wouldn't have let us do it. Yeah. And as 404 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.680 we grow up, we kind of go, okay, we'll do it. 405 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.640 But it was better to listen to the 17-year-old. 406 00:18:59.779 --> 00:19:02.980 Because that 17-year-old was more definitive, like more like yes 407 00:19:03.049 --> 00:19:04.480 and no, like more black and white? 408 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:10.869 I think he was just more sensible and less, you know, 409 00:19:10.930 --> 00:19:12.710 less jaded by the world. 410 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:13.309 Yeah. 411 00:19:13.750 --> 00:19:15.849 He'd kind of say, that's a terrible jacket. 412 00:19:16.210 --> 00:19:16.589 Yeah. 413 00:19:16.769 --> 00:19:20.769 You know, whereas I would kind of, you know, later 414 00:19:20.849 --> 00:19:24.359 or maybe now, I'd sort of say, Yeah, it's a 415 00:19:24.420 --> 00:19:27.839 nice jacket or lying through my teeth. 416 00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:28.640 Totally. 417 00:19:28.660 --> 00:19:29.640 He wouldn't do that. 418 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.140 You're right, because I think we give a lot of 419 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.400 credence to the fact that when you get older, you 420 00:19:35.420 --> 00:19:37.700 get very wise and you have all this experience. 421 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:38.309 But you're right. 422 00:19:38.430 --> 00:19:42.470 We do forget the strong, truthful opinions that we have 423 00:19:42.490 --> 00:19:43.069 when we're young. 424 00:19:43.349 --> 00:19:43.569 Yeah. 425 00:19:43.809 --> 00:19:47.130 I mean, I still kind of can't believe, Paul, that 426 00:19:47.569 --> 00:19:50.470 the Beatles broke up when you were 27 and You 427 00:19:50.490 --> 00:19:53.819 were only together for eight years. You made 13 albums. 428 00:19:54.579 --> 00:19:58.359 Those numbers are, are just really wild. It felt like 429 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.339 when you were making music as a young person, it 430 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:04.390 was like, you knew you were only going to be 431 00:20:04.430 --> 00:20:06.970 making music with this band for that long, is how 432 00:20:07.029 --> 00:20:07.410 it felt. 433 00:20:07.430 --> 00:20:09.680 Yeah, I don't think we knew it, but I think 434 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:14.839 we didn't expect to go on for long. 435 00:20:15.220 --> 00:20:15.420 Right. 436 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:18.880 Because people didn't. Right. You know, in this sort of 437 00:20:18.940 --> 00:20:22.460 rock and roll world, it was like, you know, five years, 438 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.710 top whack. Yeah. But then after five years, it was like, oh, no, 439 00:20:28.549 --> 00:20:30.329 we're doing Sgt. Pepper. 440 00:20:30.650 --> 00:20:30.930 Yeah. 441 00:20:30.950 --> 00:20:34.289 Oh, yeah, we could probably keep going. Yeah. And then, 442 00:20:34.349 --> 00:20:36.970 you know, we sort of did the White Album or whatever. 443 00:20:37.089 --> 00:20:37.390 Yeah. 444 00:20:37.690 --> 00:20:40.670 And then I did Wings and kept going. 445 00:20:40.869 --> 00:20:41.150 Yeah. 446 00:20:41.470 --> 00:20:45.250 And it is really interesting to talk to you because 447 00:20:45.269 --> 00:20:48.710 you're somebody that people feel like they know a lot about. 448 00:20:48.730 --> 00:20:53.130 And they feel... You know, you have been in their 449 00:20:53.210 --> 00:20:55.190 lives in a million different ways. I know you've been 450 00:20:55.210 --> 00:20:58.970 in mine my whole life. And in many ways, Paul, 451 00:20:59.009 --> 00:21:03.559 you kind of represent music. Like you represent songs. Like 452 00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:06.900 if songs were a person and we had to go, 453 00:21:07.059 --> 00:21:09.119 if we had to go into space and we had 454 00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:13.680 to bring one person to represent songs to the aliens, 455 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.119 we would push you to the front. 456 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:16.049 Yeah. 457 00:21:17.250 --> 00:21:17.789 Here he is. 458 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:24.380 Well, thank you. When are we leaving? 459 00:21:25.059 --> 00:21:26.619 Yeah, exactly. Let's go. 460 00:21:26.819 --> 00:21:27.160 Okay. 461 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.500 So I loved Morgan Neville's doc, Man on the Run. 462 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:31.160 Yeah. 463 00:21:31.299 --> 00:21:32.160 A beautiful doc. 464 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:32.799 Yeah. 465 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:33.579 Did you like it? 466 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.029 Yeah, I do. Yeah. I mean, when he showed it 467 00:21:37.049 --> 00:21:42.630 to me first off, I said, there's a few embarrassing bits. 468 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:44.970 Should we take them out? Fun. 469 00:21:45.029 --> 00:21:45.869 What was embarrassing? 470 00:21:46.289 --> 00:21:49.809 I didn't realize that the farm we lived on was 471 00:21:49.849 --> 00:21:55.619 like so run down. It's a tip. You know, we 472 00:21:55.670 --> 00:21:58.720 were in love and we had a new baby and 473 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:01.839 it was all great. And I was, you know, I 474 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:05.119 could fix it up. No problem. I'll make a table. 475 00:22:06.029 --> 00:22:08.650 It was that kind of thing, so I didn't notice. 476 00:22:08.970 --> 00:22:11.509 When you see it in the film, it's like, you 477 00:22:11.549 --> 00:22:17.029 lived there? And you had some money? You chose to 478 00:22:17.089 --> 00:22:20.740 live in that? So that was a little bit embarrassing. 479 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:24.539 I don't know, sometimes I don't know about you, sometimes 480 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:28.720 I don't bother to think things through too seriously. 481

00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.299 Well, that is always what we learn about you. There's 482 00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:35.019 so many things that I appreciate about you as an artist. 483 00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:37.819 One is you have a sense of humor about yourself 484 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.240 and your work, which is a sign not only of intelligence, 485 00:22:41.299 --> 00:22:44.579 but it allows us to enjoy it in many different 486 00:22:44.619 --> 00:22:47.059 kinds of ways, which is so nice. And also you 487 00:22:47.140 --> 00:22:50.380 really let us into your process. A lot of people 488 00:22:51.259 --> 00:22:54.339 like to keep people out of process because it keeps 489 00:22:54.380 --> 00:22:58.480 them mysterious or something. And I always felt like watching 490 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:02.200 you work made me feel like I could write a song. 491 00:23:02.299 --> 00:23:06.099 It always made me feel connected to music. And that 492 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.779 documentary does that. It shows process. Peter Jackson's documentary, like 493 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.819 the idea of process. And I love what you say 494 00:23:11.900 --> 00:23:16.049 about your work. When asked if you were a workaholic 495 00:23:16.230 --> 00:23:18.289 or you consider yourself one, you say, well, you don't 496 00:23:18.309 --> 00:23:20.630 work music. What do you say in response to that? 497 00:23:20.650 --> 00:23:22.569 Yeah, no, that's right. You know, people say, oh, you 498 00:23:22.650 --> 00:23:26.289 work a lot. You know, you're always working. I say, 499 00:23:26.450 --> 00:23:29.529 I'm not, you know. And I thought one day, well, 500 00:23:29.609 --> 00:23:33.210 we don't work music. We play music. So I'm like 501 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:38.539 a playaholic. I'm definitely addicted to that. Yeah. You know, 502 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:42.660 because I'm sure it's the same for you. I feel 503 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:45.339 very lucky that this is my job. 504 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:45.759 Yes. 505 00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:51.430 You know, because when I left school, like my first 506 00:23:51.509 --> 00:23:54.950 job was coil winding in a factory. 507 00:23:55.109 --> 00:23:59.029 Okay. That sounds hot and hard. So what did you 508 00:23:59.049 --> 00:23:59.750 have to do? 509 00:23:59.829 --> 00:24:02.390 I was rugged. I was rugged. 510 00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:06.109 What do you have to do? Literally wind coil? 511 00:24:06.829 --> 00:24:07.170 Yeah. 512 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.819 So you have a big sort of wheel with coil. 513 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.039 wire on it, comes through your legs, and you put 514 00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:21.599 it on like an armature thing and keep winding it. 515 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.089 And it's like a thing they have in motors. And 516 00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:30.549 mine weren't very good, you know. But the idea was 517 00:24:30.569 --> 00:24:32.809 they were going to take me through all the things 518 00:24:32.910 --> 00:24:36.910 and then I'd be manager. But one day John and 519 00:24:36.950 --> 00:24:41.839 George showed up, And one of the guys in the 520 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.799 factory said, there's some guys out there you don't want 521 00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:48.680 to see. So I went out. They said, we've got 522 00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:51.539 a gig. We've got a gig at the cavern. 523 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:52.039 Yeah. 524 00:24:52.700 --> 00:24:56.079 So I said, let me think about it. You looked 525 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:58.079 at the coil. Let me think. I looked at the coils. 526 00:24:58.460 --> 00:25:00.140 I looked at the pay packet. 527 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:00.880 Yeah. 528 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:07.109 £ 7. 15 a week. Mm-hmm. Gosh. And I can't believe I 529 00:25:07.329 --> 00:25:10.069 actually questioned it, but I did. I said, I'll get 530 00:25:10.109 --> 00:25:13.690 back to you. And yeah, and I did. And it 531 00:25:14.150 --> 00:25:17.690 gave up a career in coil winding management. 532 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.039 You would have been the coil winding representative that we 533 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.990 showed to the aliens if you had stuck with it. 534 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:26.079 Coil winding king. 535 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.579 George was how many years younger than you, Paul? 536 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.710 I think like about one and a half. And I 537 00:25:31.750 --> 00:25:34.269 was one and a half years younger than John. Yeah. 538 00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:38.819 Did you feel, I mean, when we're older, that means nothing. 539 00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:43.109 But when we're young, it's really important. Did you feel 540 00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:45.650 like the middle child or the younger brother to John? 541 00:25:45.690 --> 00:25:47.450 And did George feel like a younger brother to you? 542 00:25:47.470 --> 00:25:54.650 I thought of George as younger, but he was so cocky. Yeah. 543 00:25:54.710 --> 00:25:57.869 He was, you know. You couldn't put George down. So 544 00:25:57.890 --> 00:26:03.309 he made himself older just by being very confident. 545 00:26:03.529 --> 00:26:04.589 Who was the tallest? 546 00:26:05.509 --> 00:26:06.869 We were all the same height. 547 00:26:06.990 --> 00:26:07.470 I know. 548 00:26:07.750 --> 00:26:10.190 You really were. You know I've got a thing about that, 549 00:26:10.269 --> 00:26:11.170 do you? No. 550 00:26:11.210 --> 00:26:12.109 Well, tell me more. 551 00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:15.690 Oh, my God. Well, we were all the same height 552 00:26:15.789 --> 00:26:19.349 and Ringo was a bit smaller. Sure. And if you 553 00:26:19.369 --> 00:26:23.640 look at photos, we're all the same height. But Sam 554 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:30.660 Taylor-Wood did a film called Nowhere Boy, and the John character, 555 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:32.339 who she later married, Aaron. 556 00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:34.859 Right, right, Aaron Taylor-Johnson. 557 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:40.940 Yeah, he's bigger than me in the

film. My character 558 00:26:41.029 --> 00:26:48.490 is kind of wimpy, smaller than John. John knocks me 559 00:26:48.529 --> 00:26:53.710 to the floor. It's like, Sam. this is not true. 560 00:26:55.099 --> 00:26:59.619 And her only explanation, bless her, because she's still a 561 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.980 good friend, she said, this is a movie, it's not 562 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:09.420 a documentary. And I thought, well, I don't like that explanation. 563 00:27:10.089 --> 00:27:13.250 But I couldn't do anything because by now she'd made 564 00:27:13.309 --> 00:27:19.450 the film. And there was I, little Paul, you know, John, 565 00:27:19.470 --> 00:27:23.210 the great big hero. And it's like, no, it's not true. 566 00:27:23.230 --> 00:27:25.789 I can't imagine what it's like to have people play you. 567 00:27:25.890 --> 00:27:27.670 I mean, it must be so strange. I mean, it's 568 00:27:27.690 --> 00:27:30.559 happening again. There's another film, Paul, the great Paul Meskel 569 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:35.079 is playing you based on your life, obviously not taken 570 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.599 directly from your life, but it must be strange to 571 00:27:38.619 --> 00:27:39.480 have people play you. 572 00:27:40.170 --> 00:27:44.380 Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah. And guess what? He's 573 00:27:44.490 --> 00:27:51.599 smaller than the guy who plays John. I said... Sam 574 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.809 Mendes is making the... Yeah. I said, Sam, I've got 575 00:27:55.829 --> 00:27:59.750 just one thing I need to say to you. You know, 576 00:27:59.769 --> 00:28:04.329 Paul's a bit smaller than me... So I don't know 577 00:28:04.369 --> 00:28:07.430 how Sam's going to deal with it. But he sent 578 00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:11.250 me a picture, a still from the filming they were doing, 579 00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:14.049 and they're crossing the Abbey Road crossing. 580 00:28:14.170 --> 00:28:15.190 Yeah, I saw that too. 581 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:19.329 And the Paul character is markedly smaller. 582 00:28:20.299 --> 00:28:22.150 And you can't put lifts on that bare feet. 583 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:29.809 That's true. Maybe that's what it was. So I texted him, Sam! Sam! Smaller. 584 00:28:30.569 --> 00:28:34.450 Don't do this. You said you wouldn't do it. He said, no, 585 00:28:34.490 --> 00:28:36.930 it's okay. It's just a stride pattern. And he sent 586 00:28:36.970 --> 00:28:37.710 me another one. 587 00:28:37.769 --> 00:28:38.769 He's going to smush him. 588 00:28:38.910 --> 00:28:39.670 They were equal. 589 00:28:40.970 --> 00:28:44.839 But I guess the way in which you guys laughed 590 00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:49.900 at your competitive nature, we all, as Americans especially, we 591 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.359 love because we love, that's what families do, I guess 592 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.559 is what I'm trying to say, is families tease each 593 00:28:56.309 --> 00:28:59.000 And they can kind of come at each other in 594 00:28:59.059 --> 00:29:01.960 ways that other people can't. And that always felt like 595 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.339 the relationship you had with all of, and that you 596 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:06.680 have with them still. 597 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.569 Yeah, you know, the good thing was we grew up together. 598 00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:15.700 So there was like a family aspect. Yeah. Me and 599 00:29:15.740 --> 00:29:19.720 George went to the same school. Yeah. And John went 600 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.700 to the art college next door. Yeah. So we all 601 00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:26.140 kind of, and, you know, it took years for us 602 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.450 to kind of get any fame. Mm-hmm. So we were 603 00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:37.410 out in Hamburg schlepping around, playing, you know, not very 604 00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:40.740 nice little clubs. Yeah. We enjoyed it. Yeah. Because we 605 00:29:40.779 --> 00:29:44.660 were young kids in Hamburg, you know, this, wow. We'd 606 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:50.789 never been abroad before, you know, so that was like. But, yeah, 607 00:29:50.829 --> 00:29:54.970 so that, when you know each other that well and 608 00:29:55.009 --> 00:29:58.470 you've been together that long, it does become like a family. Mm-hmm. 609 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.069 So then that finds its way into your writing and 610 00:30:03.369 --> 00:30:06.490 your work, you know, that I can tell what he's 611 00:30:06.509 --> 00:30:09.440 thinking or I can tell him that I didn't like 612 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.140 that line. Yeah. Or he can tell me that sucks, 613 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:17.480 you know, and, uh, So that's very good, as you know, 614 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:18.579 for writing. 615 00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:22.119 Well, and we're back to that 17-year-old, like, very blunt 616 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:25.220 way of saying, this is good, this is bad, you 617 00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:28.019 shouldn't wear that, like, all that stuff. I mean, and 618 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.380 I'm sure you know that as you get any level 619 00:30:31.420 --> 00:30:35.019 of success, sometimes people are afraid to give you real feedback. 620 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.500 Yeah, that's a danger now. You know, people all say 621 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.380 to me when I'm working with a producer, they say, 622 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:46.500 does he tell you if it's no good? Yeah. I'm 623 00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:48.460 not sure. Right. 624 00:30:48.500 --> 00:30:49.059 How could you know? 625 00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:54.519 Maybe he doesn't. I know. I think you find people 626 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.589 who will tell you and stuff, but it must be 627 00:30:58.630 --> 00:31:00.549 hard for them. Yeah. 628 00:31:00.569 --> 00:31:01.730 I think so. 629 00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:04.329 Because you've got such a reputation. Right. 630 00:31:04.349 --> 00:31:05.970 To tell you a joke isn't funny. 631 00:31:10.059 --> 00:31:10.880 Would scare me. 632 00:31:11.099 -->

00:31:11.740 It should, good. 633 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:12.619 Because it should. 634 00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:13.940 Good. 635 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.650 That wasn't funny. It should. 636 00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:21.250 Yeah, I know what you mean. But you know what? 637 00:31:21.650 --> 00:31:25.579 I'm always so impressed by so many things that you do, Paul. 638 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.809 But one of them is the idea of, continuing like 639 00:31:29.950 --> 00:31:33.509 onto the next, like what is the next adventure? Like, 640 00:31:34.150 --> 00:31:38.289 you know, you, you're always looking creatively, especially for ways 641 00:31:38.450 --> 00:31:41.009 to just continue to be inspired and to continue to 642 00:31:41.049 --> 00:31:43.710 work together. You have a new record, Boys of Dungeon Lane. 643 00:31:43.730 --> 00:31:44.750 Want to hear about it? 644 00:31:44.789 --> 00:31:47.410 Yeah, I do. I'm fascinated by your process of how 645 00:31:47.430 --> 00:31:49.039 you make music, how you write songs. 646 00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:52.799 I think the good thing is I'm fascinated too. I 647 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:56.559 don't know I do a class in my old school 648 00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:01.099 that me and George went to in Liverpool. It's called Lipper. 649 00:32:01.869 --> 00:32:06.730 And I go there every year and do a class 650 00:32:06.789 --> 00:32:10.309 with the songwriting students. And the first thing I say 651 00:32:10.349 --> 00:32:13.230 to them when they come in one on one. So 652 00:32:13.269 --> 00:32:15.569 it's terrifying. for them. 653 00:32:15.589 --> 00:32:18.470 Oh, they come in one-on-one. 654 00:32:18.490 --> 00:32:22.670 They come in one-on-one with a guitar or a little 655 00:32:22.710 --> 00:32:26.130 piece of... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I say, I say, 656 00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:28.210 come on, sit down. I say, I'm going to say this. 657 00:32:28.670 --> 00:32:31.430 I don't know how to do this. You know, I 658 00:32:31.670 --> 00:32:35.019 know I'm teaching you. I've no idea how you do 659 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.019 it because your song is going to be different from 660 00:32:38.059 --> 00:32:40.519 mine and stuff. Then we work it through and they'll 661 00:32:40.539 --> 00:32:44.490 play me one of their songs. And then I will 662 00:32:44.549 --> 00:32:50.430 sort of say, that's very good. Or how about that 663 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:54.779 second verse maybe good as an opening verse? Because I 664 00:32:54.819 --> 00:32:57.440 think it's a bit stronger. So I just take them 665 00:32:57.500 --> 00:33:01.660 through sort of gentle hints. Well, mainly by the time 666 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.279 they get to me, they're pretty good. You know, they've 667 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.299 done three years. And I don't know how to do it. 668 00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:12.769 That's the point. And I don't want to know, you know. 669 00:33:14.549 --> 00:33:17.210 I always just sit down with a guitar or at 670 00:33:17.250 --> 00:33:24.519 the piano and just start plonking something. And if I 671 00:33:24.579 --> 00:33:28.940 find something that sounds good, I just follow that. Yeah. 672 00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:34.029 That's not bad. That's not bad. Where could it go next? Well, 673 00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:37.299 it could stay there. You know, all that stuff. Yeah. 674 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.730 And then you learn in yourself. The natural thing to 675 00:33:41.769 --> 00:33:47.750 do is you move through the chords. Yeah. You know, 676 00:33:47.769 --> 00:33:56.000 or you can tell yourself, no, don't move. Stay there, 677 00:33:56.660 --> 00:34:00.299 you know. And there's all sorts of tricks that you 678 00:34:00.339 --> 00:34:05.039 can use. And there's so many little tricks like that. 679 00:34:05.609 --> 00:34:08.610 It just makes it fun for me. And then if 680 00:34:08.650 --> 00:34:13.670 you get a good opening line, that's a great thing. 681 00:34:14.570 --> 00:34:18.050 Because you kind of then know where you're going. And 682 00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:23.599 on Dungeon Lane, there's a song called Days We Left Behind, 683 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:28.840 which is special for me. And I knew I had 684 00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:32.269 something special. when I. 685 00:34:34.750 --> 00:34:38.480 It was looking back. I'm thinking about looking back at 686 00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:41.860 photographs of the past. So you could say looking back 687 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.809 at black and white photos. But I knew it was 688 00:34:45.849 --> 00:34:49.730 good when I said it. He said modestly. I said... 689 00:34:51.070 --> 00:34:54.369 looking back at white and black. So I just, the 690 00:34:54.409 --> 00:34:56.170 fact that I'd switched, it was not a black and 691 00:34:56.210 --> 00:35:00.530 white photo anymore. It's a white and black. So, and 692 00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:03.610 obviously it rhymes. So looking back at white and black 693 00:35:03.909 --> 00:35:08.519 reminders of the past or whatever, I just thought, oh, okay. Yeah. 694 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:14.179 So you're looking at photos and you go there, just 695 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.500 let's see what you remember. 696 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:18.360 Yeah, yeah. 697 00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:22.500 And... And it's nice. I have a lot of good memories. 698 00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:25.750 When you hear a song that you've written, you've written 699 00:35:25.789 --> 00:35:29.070 so many, do you remember the making of that song 700 00:35:29.110 --> 00:35:30.969 when you hear it? Do you remember the writing of it? 701 00:35:31.469 --> 00:35:31.769 Do you know? 702 00:35:31.849 --> 00:35:35.880 Yeah. A lot of the time I do, yeah. 703 00:35:36.019 --> 00:35:37.969 The process of making it when you hear it? 704 00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:43.480 A lot of the time. Sometimes it is crazy because... 705 00:35:43.730 --> 00:35:50.639 They have a Beatles channel on Sirius. Yes. And if I'm, 706 00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:54.539 you know, hiring

a car, my driver will like, he 707 00:35:54.579 --> 00:36:06.690 knows to have it on. That's a good channel. But 708 00:36:07.289 --> 00:36:10.010 normally it's quite quiet so you can talk and things 709 00:36:10.050 --> 00:36:12.599 and then I'll hear something. Yeah. And say, oh, wait 710 00:36:12.619 --> 00:36:16.380 a minute, turn this one up. And talking about remembering 711 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.159 writing the song, he turned one up because I couldn't 712 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:24.090 remember what the title was. I thought, oh, what's this one? 713 00:36:24.610 --> 00:36:27.869 And then he played. I couldn't even remember the song. Yeah. 714 00:36:28.349 --> 00:36:33.150 It had just come and gone so fast. Yeah. So, yeah, 715 00:36:33.230 --> 00:36:35.530 I don't always remember them, but a lot of them 716 00:36:36.409 --> 00:36:43.530 I do. I have pretty strong memories of. Yeah, like 717 00:36:43.659 --> 00:36:50.159 a Mollick and Tire wing song that was very successful. Bagpipe. 718 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:55.679 I loved seeing that in the doc, watching you make 719 00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.480 that song. And also in the doc, learning about how 720 00:37:01.059 --> 00:37:05.880 wings came together and your intention behind bringing people together, 721 00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:08.539 which was really interesting. And for me, it was the 722 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.199 first time I heard you speak about how important it 723 00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:14.420 was for you to feel like part of a group. 724 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.500 Like you like being around people and you like being 725 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:19.159 part of a group, an ensemble. 726 00:37:19.579 --> 00:37:19.840 Yeah. 727 00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:21.110 What do you like about it? 728 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.929 Just the companionship, just the friendship. Yeah. And the other opinion. 729 00:37:28.530 --> 00:37:28.849 Yeah. 730 00:37:28.929 --> 00:37:31.829 You know, having another opinion in the room, kind of another. 731 00:37:31.849 --> 00:37:38.460 I like that. I mainly just playing together. Yeah. You know, 732 00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:40.360 it's like kids in kindergarten. 733 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.489 Yeah, the word play is back again. Like, do you 734 00:37:43.630 --> 00:37:46.329 have a pre-show ritual? Do you do anything always? Like, 735 00:37:46.349 --> 00:37:51.409 do you not eat two hours before the show? Do 736 00:37:51.429 --> 00:37:53.789 you have a superstition? 737 00:37:53.809 --> 00:37:57.659 Not really. I do have a ritual. 738 00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:59.960 What is it? Would you tell us what it is? 739 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.619 What is it? Okay, yeah. Okay, here we go. Well, 740 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.340 I don't eat. You know, I have like lunch sometimes. 741 00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:07.579 Let's even back up further. What time were you going 742 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.500 to bed the night before? 743 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.789 The night

before? I don't know. Random. Oh, God. 744 00:38:12.829 --> 00:38:13.690 It doesn't matter. 745 00:38:13.730 --> 00:38:15.829 You musicians with your bedtime. 746 00:38:15.869 --> 00:38:17.409 Just a crazy bunch. 747 00:38:17.469 --> 00:38:19.250 Just a crazy bunch. 748 00:38:19.269 --> 00:38:21.829 No, I don't think about that. That's normally... I mean, 749 00:38:21.849 --> 00:38:23.050 it's normally not too late. 750 00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:23.449 Okay. 751 00:38:23.469 --> 00:38:25.909 It's not too crazy. Probably if it was six in 752 00:38:25.949 --> 00:38:29.050 the morning, we'd gone right through. I probably would worry 753 00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:29.340 a bit. 754 00:38:29.510 --> 00:38:29.780 Yeah. 755 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.179 But no, it's kind of normal bedtime, I think. 756 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:32.460 Okay. 757 00:38:32.980 --> 00:38:33.420 Then. 758 00:38:34.659 --> 00:38:37.500 Yeah, I get up, I just have my breakfast. 759 00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:38.880 What's your breakfast? 760 00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:39.639 Breakfast. 761 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:42.000 How do you take your tea? 762 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.300 It's really kind of boring because it's always the same. 763 00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:49.940 It's like cereal, beer cereal, not too much, just a 764 00:38:50.019 --> 00:38:56.320 little bit. Berries. 765 00:38:56.659 --> 00:38:58.510 Yeah, that's the superfood. 766 00:38:59.010 --> 00:38:59.300 Berries. 767 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:00.360 You've got to bury it up. 768 00:39:00.550 --> 00:39:06.000 Five raspberries. Whoa. Got to be five. Looks good. Don't, don't, don't, don't. 769 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.659 One in the middle. Handful of blueberries. 770 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.139 Oh, yeah. The blueberries are just really, really. 771 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:17.989 Chuck them in. Chuck them in. And the strawberry, which 772 00:39:18.090 --> 00:39:19.929 I cut up. Uh-huh. 773 00:39:20.090 --> 00:39:20.710 Meditative. 774 00:39:23.449 --> 00:39:24.739 Are we really doing this? We are. 775 00:39:24.750 --> 00:39:26.170 We're going to do another hour of this. 776 00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.449 This is great. Recipe breakfast. 777 00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:29.510 Do you take coffee or tea? 778 00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:33.519 No. In the morning, it's just water. 779 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:36.500 No caffeine? 780 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.929 No, I'm not a big coffee person. Really? Yeah, no, 781 00:39:40.949 --> 00:39:41.489 I'm English. 782 00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:44.409 But the tea all day long. 783 00:39:44.429 --> 00:39:47.090 A lot of people, you know, my kids drink coffee 784 00:39:47.730 --> 00:39:50.949 quite a lot. I will have like one coffee in 785 00:39:50.969 --> 00:39:57.230 the middle of the day sometime, often. So that's my breakfast. 786 00:39:57.570 --> 00:39:59.789 Add a few pecans and a few raisins. 787 00:39:59.849 --> 00:40:00.909 If you want to party. 788 00:40:01.829 --> 00:40:06.699 Yeah. And then there's a very specific lunch. 789 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:08.650 Okay, let's hear it. 790 00:40:08.659 --> 00:40:09.599 It's a gig lunch. 791 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:11.780 Oh, yeah, a gig lunch. 792 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:12.960 No, it's gig day lunch. 793 00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 794 00:40:14.059 --> 00:40:15.360 For me. Yeah. 795 00:40:15.619 --> 00:40:18.590 Because, I mean, being on stage... I've talked to a 796 00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:22.269 lot of performers who just being in front of an 797 00:40:22.369 --> 00:40:26.469 audience is so physical and you have been on stage 798 00:40:26.510 --> 00:40:29.400 for most of your adult life in all different stages 799 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.980 with different types of people and in different shows. What is, 800 00:40:33.219 --> 00:40:36.340 what's the thing now that you're loving about being on stage? 801 00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:38.000 Like what, what does it look like to be on 802 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.869 stage now? I mean, For example, we've got like Bruce 803 00:40:41.050 --> 00:40:44.500 still doing three-hour shows. We have Taylor Swift doing three-hour shows. 804 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.079 It's like a lot of expectation for people to do 805 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.179 long shows. 806 00:40:48.699 --> 00:40:51.659 I know. I blame him. I've told him. 807 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:52.539 I know. 808 00:40:52.659 --> 00:40:54.880 I said, it's your bloody fault, mate. I know. We 809 00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:59.179 used to do like an hour. Stones still do something 810 00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:03.590 like an hour or so. Yeah. Old school. But now 811 00:41:03.670 --> 00:41:08.250 Bruce just suddenly doing these three, four-hour things. Yeah. So 812 00:41:08.289 --> 00:41:09.789 that's what we do. You do. 813 00:41:09.809 --> 00:41:10.389 I know. 814 00:41:10.809 --> 00:41:13.949 You know what I love, though? The audience. Yeah. That's 815 00:41:14.030 --> 00:41:15.280 what it's all about. 816 00:41:15.340 --> 00:41:16.760 Yeah. 817 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:24.280 And my audiences, touch wood, are very loving people. It's 818 00:41:24.530 --> 00:41:28.639 so warm. Yeah. You know, they're just so cool. And 819 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:33.760 all ages. Yeah. That's the amazing thing. I always expected 820 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.940 them to be my age or slightly younger or whatever. 821 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.739 But it's not like that. There's a lot of young kids. Yeah. 822 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.059 Well, you're every favorite artist's favorite artist. 823 00:41:46.780 --> 00:41:47.099 Wow. 824 00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:47.860 You are. 825 00:41:48.690 --> 00:41:52.190 And is there any music right now that you listen 826 00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:53.849 to and you think, I wish I wrote that? 827 00:41:56.389 --> 00:42:03.230 No. Very good. Not really. There are some people I 828 00:42:03.369 --> 00:42:08.849 think are really good. You know, like Billie Eilish I 829 00:42:08.889

--> 00:42:12.070 think is cool, but I don't think I want to 830 00:42:12.139 --> 00:42:15.519 have written her songs. Right. And also a lot of 831 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.460 songs these days are breakup songs. 832 00:42:18.110 --> 00:42:18.489 Yeah. 833 00:42:18.809 --> 00:42:20.570 And I'm married. 834 00:42:21.590 --> 00:42:26.030 Right. You're in love with a beautiful woman and you 835 00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.019 have a fantastic breakfast. 836 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:31.119 Yeah. 837 00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:32.119 Yeah, yeah. 838 00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:39.340 That's true. No, so, no, I don't think there used 839 00:42:39.380 --> 00:42:41.869 to be songs. Like I used to want to have 840 00:42:42.230 --> 00:42:47.170 written one of Billy Joel's songs, The Way You Are. 841 00:42:47.510 --> 00:42:48.010 Yeah. 842 00:42:48.219 --> 00:42:50.389 I always thought that was like the kind of thing 843 00:42:50.489 --> 00:42:55.170 I could have written. Yeah. I think that's a nice song. Nowadays, it's, 844 00:42:55.929 --> 00:43:04.809 I'll tell you what, some of them are like very banal. Yeah. 845 00:43:05.829 --> 00:43:09.280 I want your ooh, ooh. 846 00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:12.360 I want it ooh, ooh. 847 00:43:13.699 --> 00:43:16.579 This could be a hit. And then you go, but 848 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:17.900 then you got to do the moves. 849 00:43:19.219 --> 00:43:21.320 You got to do the TikTok dance with it. Yeah. 850 00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:22.000 Yeah. 851 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.150 This from the, this from the man that gave us, 852 00:43:26.449 --> 00:43:27.090 she loves you. 853 00:43:27.130 --> 00:43:27.409 Yeah. 854 00:43:27.449 --> 00:43:29.889 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 855 00:43:30.010 --> 00:43:35.090 I mean, doth protest. I bet you've been able to 856 00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:38.010 collaborate with mostly everybody that you've wanted to collaborate at 857 00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:40.420 some point. Is there anybody that you still wish to 858 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:41.079 collaborate with? 859 00:43:42.670 --> 00:43:45.980 No, I get asked this question and I always think 860 00:43:46.300 --> 00:43:46.940 Bob Dylan. 861 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:47.639 Yeah. 862 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:54.570 But I'm too nervous. Yeah. To ring him up. Bob. Bob. 863 00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:58.960 It is Paul. Yeah. 864 00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:01.110 I can't even picture him being on the telephone, Bob. 865 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:01.639 No. 866 00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:03.050 I can't actually. 867 00:44:02.829 --> 00:44:03.570 Picture him using. 868 00:44:03.650 --> 00:44:05.329 No, he's in some bush somewhere. 869 00:44:05.369 --> 00:44:06.309 Yeah, he's in a bush, exactly. 870 00:44:06.329 --> 00:44:07.750 Yep, he's writing in a journal. 871 00:44:07.769 --> 00:44:10.210 In a sleeping bag, maybe. 872 00:44:10.309 --> 00:44:11.550 Yes, yeah. 873 00:44:12.650 --> 00:44:15.250 Who was the first famous person that you met? 874 00:44:16.469 --> 00:44:17.489 First famous person?

875 00:44:17.530 --> 00:44:20.889 When you were young, starting out, who was... Remember, did 876 00:44:20.909 --> 00:44:23.159 you meet someone who you wanted their autograph or you 877 00:44:23.179 --> 00:44:25.340 were blown away that you knew that they were a 878 00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:26.019 famous person? 879 00:44:26.389 --> 00:44:32.070 The queen. Whoa. And that's an autograph you're not going 880 00:44:32.090 --> 00:44:35.250 to get. No, she's great. I love the queen. 881 00:44:35.710 --> 00:44:36.909 I love the queen too. 882 00:44:37.130 --> 00:44:42.369 I really, well, you know, what happened was she was crowned. 883 00:44:43.590 --> 00:44:48.789 She's a doll. She was crowned when I was 11. So... 884 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.099 And she was a babe. Yeah. You know, when I 885 00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.619 was 11, she was like 23 or something, you know. 886 00:44:58.010 --> 00:45:01.590 So we all used to think, wow, this is amazing, 887 00:45:01.610 --> 00:45:03.710 you know, like. Yeah. You know, having a king because 888 00:45:03.730 --> 00:45:08.090 he's got this. girl. Yeah. This babe. So we kind 889 00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:12.090 of liked her in other ways than we shouldn't have 890 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:12.510 liked her. 891 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:12.880 Right. 892 00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:13.920 You know what I mean? 893 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:14.599 Right, right. 894 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.340 So yeah, so meeting her was special. 895 00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:20.380 How old were you when you met her? 896 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.449 Probably about 21 or something. Yeah. Wow. Nancy, my wife now, 897 00:45:25.510 --> 00:45:29.610 she says she fancied you. Now there's no knowing if 898 00:45:29.650 --> 00:45:32.570 there's any truth to that. But let's just. 899 00:45:32.289 --> 00:45:33.050 Say it's true. 900 00:45:33.110 --> 00:45:33.670 Yeah. 901 00:45:33.710 --> 00:45:34.769 Let's say it's true. 902 00:45:34.789 --> 00:45:35.909 I like to think it's true. 903 00:45:35.929 --> 00:45:38.489 And I think she would, not to speak for the queen, 904 00:45:38.550 --> 00:45:42.719 but I will. I would think she would enjoy Nancy 905 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.420 saying that. I think she would get a laugh out 906 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:46.920 of that. Like she would enjoy that. 907 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.739 Well, she was a laugh. Yeah. That's one of the 908 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.360 things I liked about her. She had a good sense 909 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:58.099 of humor. And yeah, I was very happy that, you know, 910 00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:01.639 sometimes you don't get the queen if you're getting an honor. Yeah. 911 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.820 Like you're getting a knighthood. You don't always get the queen. 912 00:46:04.900 --> 00:46:07.480 I was very lucky. I got the queen all the time. 913 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:09.860 Well, she made sure she was there. 914 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:11.960 Wow. Well, that's what Nancy would say. 915 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.900 She looked at her. She looked at Nancy's nose. She 916 00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:18.320 looked at her planner and she was like, mm-hmm, two o'clock. 917 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.380 I'm going to make myself available. 918 00:46:20.420 --> 00:46:20.960 I'll do him. 919 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:23.900 I'm going to put the sword. I'll do the sword thing. 920 00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:25.159 That's what she said. 921 00:46:25.219 --> 00:46:28.300 The sword was Edward the Confessor. 922 00:46:28.579 --> 00:46:29.480 The name of the sword? 923 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:33.440 Yeah. I mean- British history, there was a king called 924 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:39.489 Edward the Confessor. Wow. At least it wasn't Æthelred the Unready. 925 00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.050 But talk about, again, like time travel, which you don't 926 00:46:44.090 --> 00:46:47.230 believe in, but I believe in for you. But you're 21, 927 00:46:47.210 --> 00:46:50.969 you meet the queen, just speed, you know, however many 928 00:46:50.989 --> 00:46:54.369 years later, and you're getting knighted by her. Such a 929 00:46:54.670 --> 00:46:55.630 wild life, Paul. 930 00:46:55.650 --> 00:46:56.210 Yeah, I know. I know. 931 00:46:56.489 --> 00:46:58.360 I know. No, really. 932 00:46:59.090 --> 00:47:02.929 Wow. And believe me, I agree with that. 933 00:47:03.190 --> 00:47:04.289 Yeah. 934 00:47:04.530 --> 00:47:07.650 I mean, life itself anyway for most people is wild. 935 00:47:07.750 --> 00:47:09.829 Yes, life is wild no matter what. 936 00:47:09.889 --> 00:47:14.710 My particular kind of life has been very wild up 937 00:47:14.789 --> 00:47:17.010 to this point and continues to be wild. Look at 938 00:47:17.030 --> 00:47:17.429 me here. 939 00:47:17.670 --> 00:47:17.949 Yeah. 940 00:47:18.289 --> 00:47:19.369 I'm doing your show. 941 00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:23.320 It's like the queen. It's like being with the queen. 942 00:47:23.389 --> 00:47:24.760 It's not quite queen level. 943 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.940 No, not quite yet. Not quite. 944 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:28.679 It's very impressive. 945 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.559 Also, and then I'll move off of this theme that 946 00:47:42.579 --> 00:47:48.480 I'm very clumsily trying to connect. But what also I 947 00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.099 love about your work, Chrissy Hynde says this in the 948 00:47:51.139 --> 00:47:54.559 documentary about you. Can we just talk about Chrissy Hynde. 949 00:47:54.340 --> 00:47:54.719 For a second? 950 00:47:54.739 --> 00:47:55.360 We love Chrissy. 951 00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:55.539 Fuck. 952 00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:57.789 She's a dude. 953 00:47:57.989 --> 00:47:59.969 Tell me how you met Chrissy. You and Linda were 954 00:47:59.989 --> 00:48:01.369 really good friends with Chrissy. 955 00:48:01.710 --> 00:48:02.030 Yeah. 956 00:48:02.190 --> 00:48:03.670 Tell us how you met Chrissy Hynde. 957 00:48:03.730 --> 00:48:08.619 What a genius. In a recording studio in London,

Air 958 00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:11.860 London it was called. And there were a lot of studios, 959 00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:14.980 so you meet the people who were in the other studios, 960 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:15.480 you know. 961 00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:15.840 Yeah. 962 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.590 And she was just walking down the corridor. And she 963 00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:21.449 was very moody with her hair down and sort of 964 00:48:21.489 --> 00:48:27.480 wouldn't look at you, you know. Yeah. But Linda was... didn't, 965 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.139 you know, do that. She would approach you. Hi, how 966 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:36.820 are you doing? And they got talking. And so we 967 00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:42.340 met her and Chrissy stopped being so moody and just 968 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.579 talked to us. And we had a lot of stuff 969 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:51.730 in common. She's like a crazy vegetarian. So we had 970 00:48:51.789 --> 00:48:58.079 that in common and Linda was very outspoken. On that subject. 971 00:48:59.420 --> 00:49:04.429 To the point where if it hadn't been her, it 972 00:49:04.489 --> 00:49:08.550 would have been embarrassing. You know, if you're at a 973 00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:12.610 dinner party and someone's eating meat, she would, like, give 974 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:17.960 them trouble over it. You know what you're eating? Yeah, well, 975 00:49:18.099 --> 00:49:21.230 I know, you know, but... It's mommy loved it. 976 00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:28.610 Yeah. Ahead of her time, very ahead. You were both 977 00:49:28.650 --> 00:49:28.949 ahead of. 978 00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:32.989 Yeah, she had this kind of Disney-esque view of animals. 979 00:49:33.969 --> 00:49:34.409 So the. 980 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.869 If we saw like a frog in a garden or something, 981 00:49:39.889 --> 00:49:44.230 she'd pick it up. And, you know, not every girl would. 982 00:49:44.730 --> 00:49:45.610 Yeah. 983 00:49:45.730 --> 00:49:48.909 She'd pick it up. And the way, I'm getting emotional, 984 00:49:49.409 --> 00:49:59.920 but the way she would hold it, it wouldn't hurt it. And, yeah. Yeah, beautiful. Beautiful. 985 00:50:04.219 --> 00:50:06.380 And she would say, you know, it's when we loved it. 986 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.260 And even as a frog. Yeah. She was like a 987 00:50:09.300 --> 00:50:11.239 Disney frog to her. 988 00:50:11.539 --> 00:50:14.599 I loved learning more about you and Linda in that documentary. 989 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.809 I loved watching you two work together and be together. 990 00:50:18.889 --> 00:50:24.489 It was really a testament to just what respectful, beautiful, 991 00:50:25.090 --> 00:50:26.170 mutual love looks like. 992 00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:30.679 Yeah. She was something else. 993 00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:31.579 Yeah. 994 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:33.539 A tough, tough lady. Yeah. 995 00:50:34.699 --> 00:50:35.929 Look, I have good hang tissues. 996 00:50:36.050 --> 00:50:39.659 Thank you, ma'am. Yeah. 997 00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:43.780 I want to talk about your family life and just 998 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.300 how family is important to you because I have the 999 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:49.119 pleasure and privilege of getting to know some of your family. 1000 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.199 But as we move off the Beatles, although we never will, 1001 00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:56.340 but as we move off the Beatles for this conversation, 1002 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.599 what is your relationship now like with George and John? 1003 00:51:02.289 --> 00:51:05.909 and Ringo, some are here, some are not, but relationships, 1004 00:51:06.380 --> 00:51:09.219 as we know with Linda, like people that, with your mom, 1005 00:51:09.260 --> 00:51:12.059 people that you lose, they're always with you, they just, 1006 00:51:12.139 --> 00:51:15.500 your relationship changes with them. What is your relationship now 1007 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.519 like with those men? 1008 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.719 I'm a fan, you know, and the more we go on, 1009 00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:26.349 I'm a bigger fan. I'm like a Beatles fan, you know, 1010 00:51:27.469 --> 00:51:30.110 just because, like I say, you know, I'll just hear 1011 00:51:30.170 --> 00:51:35.530 something that we did and I'll remember writing it with 1012 00:51:35.570 --> 00:51:39.340 John and think, wow, I was really lucky. You know, 1013 00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:42.539 this is amazing. I'm sitting down writing with someone and 1014 00:51:42.579 --> 00:51:46.639 he happens to be John Lennon. And I think the 1015 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.760 same for him with me. He's sitting down and the 1016 00:51:50.780 --> 00:51:56.840 guy who's talking about his work is me. So yeah, 1017 00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:02.239 so I'm a fan. And, you know, I think I've 1018 00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:08.599 become more of a fan the more I think about them. And, yeah, 1019 00:52:08.619 --> 00:52:12.820 you know, George, for instance, how I met George was 1020 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.000 on the school bus. I used to get on one stop, 1021 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:23.239 these big double-decker green buses. It was about a half-hour 1022 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:26.639 journey from where we lived to the school. So I 1023 00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:28.590 would get on at one stop, and then at the 1024 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.199 next stop, Georgia get on. And we wore the same 1025 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.750 school uniform, so we kind of could relate some way. 1026 00:52:36.590 --> 00:52:41.010 And sometimes we'd sit next to each other and we'd 1027 00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:43.269 talk about guitars and rock and roll. It's in one 1028 00:52:43.289 --> 00:52:47.989 of the songs on the Dungeon Lane album, actually. Oh, really? Yeah, 1029 00:52:48.030 --> 00:52:52.820 there's one song called Down South, and it's about how 1030 00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:57.460 we met on the school bus. And we talked about 1031 00:52:57.519 -->

00:53:01.820 rock and roll and guitars and all that sort of stuff. 1032 00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:05.989 So that was great. We became friends over that. And 1033 00:53:06.010 --> 00:53:10.610 then when we were looking for another guitar player, John 1034 00:53:10.650 --> 00:53:13.829 was kind of interested in getting another guy in. I 1035 00:53:13.889 --> 00:53:16.019 put George up. And I sort of said, I got 1036 00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:20.980 this little mate, you know, he's little. He wasn't physically little, 1037 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:21.800 but he's young. 1038 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:22.780 Yeah. 1039 00:53:23.059 --> 00:53:27.420 And that could be a problem. But it wasn't a problem. 1040 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.610 And he played great guitar. John was so impressed. And 1041 00:53:31.659 --> 00:53:34.929 so George joins the group. So that was that period. 1042 00:53:35.309 --> 00:53:38.969 But then looking at George's life and how he grew. Yeah. 1043 00:53:39.809 --> 00:53:47.230 And my gosh, you know, I became spiritual. It was 1044 00:53:47.329 --> 00:53:48.090 pretty amazing. 1045 00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:50.809 Do you have a spiritual practice, Paul? Do you feel 1046 00:53:50.849 --> 00:53:52.010 like you're a spiritual person? 1047 00:53:52.630 --> 00:53:56.130 I don't have like a practice so much. I meditate. 1048 00:53:56.969 --> 00:54:01.780 And no, I sort of believe in a power. I 1049 00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:06.219 don't know what he or she is. Well, I know 1050 00:54:06.260 --> 00:54:11.760 there's something there and I feel. And I often do 1051 00:54:11.820 --> 00:54:13.260 that thing, you know, the secret dance. 1052 00:54:13.789 --> 00:54:14.230 Oh, yeah. 1053 00:54:14.510 --> 00:54:14.889 Hey. 1054 00:54:14.989 --> 00:54:16.670 I got really into that for a minute. 1055 00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:19.630 Yeah. Well, I'm still into it. 1056 00:54:19.630 --> 00:54:22.349 I mean, you probably were on my vision board, and 1057 00:54:22.409 --> 00:54:23.699 here I am talking to you. 1058 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:25.699 Oh, I just know the simple version. 1059 00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:26.440 Yeah, yeah. 1060 00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:29.199 But, Paul, we feel that in your art, like the 1061 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.380 idea that you're tuning into a channel, like an open channel. 1062 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.539 And it's not optimism, which it kind of flattens it out. 1063 00:54:35.659 --> 00:54:38.219 It's just the idea of, like, there's possibilities. You've got 1064 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.929 to keep yourself open to possibilities. 1065 00:54:39.949 --> 00:54:40.510 Yeah. 1066 00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:42.760 I feel that way when you talk about your work, 1067 00:54:42.820 --> 00:54:44.300 and I do feel that way when you talk about 1068 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:49.760 your family. Family was so important to you, building one, 1069 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.559 whether it be with the people you're playing with, with 1070 00:54:52.579 --> 00:54:56.949 the people in your life. I love that you've led 1071 00:54:57.010 --> 00:55:01.289 us into how you believe in love. 1072 00:55:01.429 --> 00:55:02.510 I do. 1073 00:55:03.730 --> 00:55:07.650 You do believe in love, and you can tell by 1074 00:55:07.690 --> 00:55:10.789 how you live your life. And congratulations to you and 1075 00:55:10.809 --> 00:55:16.329 Linda for raising great kids. Really talented, kind, funny kids. 1076 00:55:18.150 --> 00:55:19.130 Really great children. 1077 00:55:19.150 --> 00:55:22.010 Oh, thank you. Yeah. No, they are great. You know, 1078 00:55:22.949 --> 00:55:24.940 it's important to me. And the thing is, you know, 1079 00:55:24.949 --> 00:55:28.659 I'm not really that different from a lot of dads. 1080 00:55:29.739 --> 00:55:32.300 There's a lot of people out there. I mean, okay, 1081 00:55:32.380 --> 00:55:33.940 there's the people. 1082 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.659 But you also choose very strong women. Yeah, that's true. 1083 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.460 You like strong, independent women. 1084 00:55:39.739 --> 00:55:39.960 Yeah. 1085 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.559 That's not always the case with men that are as 1086 00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:46.159 successful and talented and powerful as yourself. That's not always 1087 00:55:46.179 --> 00:55:50.619 the case. Sometimes they don't like to be challenged in 1088 00:55:50.659 --> 00:55:51.110 that way. 1089 00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:54.030 It's funny. I don't think of it like that, but 1090 00:55:54.070 --> 00:55:58.409 it is true. Yeah, I like someone who's got a 1091 00:55:58.690 --> 00:55:59.429 strong opinion. 1092 00:56:00.070 --> 00:56:02.869 Well, we spoke to somebody who has a strong opinion 1093 00:56:03.449 --> 00:56:05.230 because we always do this thing on our podcast where 1094 00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:09.019 we speak to somebody who knows our guest and who 1095 00:56:09.059 --> 00:56:12.739 wants to give me a question to ask my guest. 1096 00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:15.960 And we could have spoken to so many people, but 1097 00:56:16.099 --> 00:56:17.699 I really wanted to speak to Stella. 1098 00:56:17.860 --> 00:56:18.420 Oh, yeah. 1099 00:56:19.219 --> 00:56:20.300 Tell us about Stella. 1100 00:56:20.460 --> 00:56:24.480 Stella's a pistol. She is. Linda had Mary. 1101 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.800 Yeah. 1102 00:56:25.820 --> 00:56:30.260 And that was straightforward. And so then Linda was pregnant 1103 00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:37.550 again with Stella. And... went to the hospital to be born. 1104 00:56:38.150 --> 00:56:40.800 And then suddenly there was like a thing going on 1105 00:56:42.940 --> 00:56:47.760 where the doctors, it's a thing called placenta previa. 1106 00:56:47.860 --> 00:56:48.719 Oh, yes, of course. 1107 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:49.519 You know about that? 1108 00:56:49.659 --> 00:56:50.840 It can be very dangerous. 1109 00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:52.440 And the doctor said, so we're going to have to 1110 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.090

do a C-section, you know, a cesarean. So he's like, oh, okay. 1111 00:56:57.630 --> 00:57:01.329 So he did it and it was successful and it worked. 1112 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:04.329 But it meant that Stella had to be in an 1113 00:57:04.449 --> 00:57:09.630 incubator when she was little. And so I would go 1114 00:57:09.670 --> 00:57:12.449 down a couple of floors to where the incubator unit 1115 00:57:12.570 --> 00:57:18.719 was and I would see our baby and then go 1116 00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:23.159 back up and report to Linda. And it was amazing 1117 00:57:23.179 --> 00:57:29.699 because Stella did a little movement. And it was exactly 1118 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.039 like Linda. But she didn't know Linda yet. 1119 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:34.360 Yeah, wild. 1120 00:57:34.460 --> 00:57:40.320 She hadn't learned any tricks. So it was really just, 1121 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.559 you know, a natural thing. So I got running back up. 1122 00:57:43.570 --> 00:57:46.010 I said, Stella, just do that thing. And I know 1123 00:57:46.070 --> 00:57:47.050 that thing from you. 1124 00:57:47.230 --> 00:57:48.489 Yeah. 1125 00:57:48.530 --> 00:57:51.829 Wow. So Stella, we talk about it quite a bit. 1126 00:57:51.869 --> 00:57:56.670 Well, Stella's question for me to ask you, which is 1127 00:57:56.750 --> 00:58:00.360 amazing that you're telling this story, Paul, because... She said, 1128 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:05.420 ask my dad what his first memory was. We spoke 1129 00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:08.590 about it the other day and he remembered his first 1130 00:58:08.670 --> 00:58:12.610 memory because Stella shared that she thinks one of her 1131 00:58:12.769 --> 00:58:15.989 first memories was being in an incubator. 1132 00:58:16.010 --> 00:58:16.449 Yeah. 1133 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:19.179 She can feel like, and I know a lot of 1134 00:58:19.219 --> 00:58:23.119 people have memories of when they were born or feel 1135 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:25.800 like they do. And how you come into the world 1136 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.719 can really, in some ways, define your life's path. You 1137 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:33.159 can become like a fighter or a survivor, or you 1138 00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:36.079 want to be more sleepy and peaceful, whatever is the 1139 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.340 way that you come into the world. But she shared 1140 00:58:38.389 --> 00:58:41.210 that as her first memory. And the question she wanted 1141 00:58:41.250 --> 00:58:42.929 me to ask you was, what was yours? 1142 00:58:43.590 --> 00:58:47.610 Yeah. You know, these things, you don't know if you've 1143 00:58:47.650 --> 00:58:48.289 made it up. 1144 00:58:48.590 --> 00:58:49.989 Yeah, sure. 1145 00:58:50.030 --> 00:58:54.480 But I have this feeling that I can remember being born. 1146 00:58:55.300 --> 00:58:58.179 I was born in a place in Liverpool called Walton Hospital, 1147 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.460 which was a real old Victorian thing. I think it 1148 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.409 had been something else before a hospital. So I kind 1149 00:59:06.449 --> 00:59:12.059 of remember white tiles and very sort of hygienic white 1150 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:19.429 tiles and chrome instruments and a clanging because I was 1151 00:59:19.449 --> 00:59:24.150 a forceps berth. They had to pull me out. 1152 00:59:24.230 --> 00:59:25.469 Me too. I was a forceps berth. 1153 00:59:25.510 --> 00:59:26.230 Were you? Yeah. 1154 00:59:26.670 --> 00:59:27.809 I had dents in my head. 1155 00:59:27.869 --> 00:59:29.829 Give it up for four set people. 1156 00:59:29.909 --> 00:59:30.510 Yeah. 1157 00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:32.829 They had to yank me out. I wouldn't come out. 1158 00:59:33.170 --> 00:59:33.489 Yeah. 1159 00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:35.429 It was too good in there. 1160 00:59:35.489 --> 00:59:36.420 Yeah. 1161 00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:38.940 This is okay. I'm getting fed. Totally. 1162 00:59:39.019 --> 00:59:40.739 And then all of a sudden something came in there 1163 00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:42.199 and clamped your head. 1164 00:59:42.219 --> 00:59:42.699 Yeah. 1165 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:43.739 And yanked you out. 1166 00:59:44.539 --> 00:59:49.699 And out I came. I love that you were too. 1167 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:50.980 Yeah, I was. 1168 00:59:51.820 --> 00:59:52.099 Yeah. 1169 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.460 So I sort of think I remember that. How funny. 1170 00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:57.039 I don't know if it's true. 1171 00:59:57.179 --> 01:00:00.219 The other question that she had was, what is Monkberry 1172 01:00:00.260 --> 01:00:05.139 Moon Delight? And have you smoked it? And what were 1173 01:00:05.179 --> 01:00:06.500 you on when you wrote that song? 1174 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.780 I probably was on something that I smoked. But no, 1175 01:00:13.179 --> 01:00:16.550 when the kids were little, you know how kids don't always, 1176 01:00:17.150 --> 01:00:22.170 can't pronounce certain words? Yeah. Well, the word for milk 1177 01:00:23.070 --> 01:00:27.289 was monk. Hmm. You know. Can I have, Daddy, can 1178 01:00:27.309 --> 01:00:32.409 I have some Monk? So that was Milk. So I 1179 01:00:32.449 --> 01:00:38.429 was thinking of a milkshake. So it was like Milk Berry, 1180 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:42.320 Monk Berry Moon. So it's the name of a milkshake 1181 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:46.300 in my head. You know, I just imagined that, and 1182 01:00:46.340 --> 01:00:50.059 then I just flew off on one, because the lyrics 1183 01:00:50.300 --> 01:00:52.840 are crazy great. 1184 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.139 Yeah, they're great lyrics. 1185 01:00:54.219 --> 01:00:57.050 Yeah. There was I with a piano up my nose. 1186 01:00:58.230 --> 01:01:00.289 Soup puree. 1187 01:01:00.349 --> 01:01:01.449 Soup and puree. 1188 01:01:01.510 --> 01:01:02.489 Yeah, soup and puree. 1189 01:01:02.570 --> 01:01:05.739 Cats and kittens. Don't get left behind. 1190 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.599 Yes, ketchup, ketchup. 1191 01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:10.519 I

know, ketchup. I know it's just like a lot 1192 01:01:10.539 --> 01:01:14.019 of wordplay and stuff, but I look back on that 1193 01:01:14.500 --> 01:01:18.679 kind of song and think, I wish I wrote those now. 1194 01:01:18.699 --> 01:01:23.239 You know, I think it was just a zany period. Yeah. Yeah, 1195 01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:27.039 but that's what it was in my mind. It's actually 1196 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:27.780 a milkshake. 1197 01:01:28.739 --> 01:01:30.260 So the last section I want to talk to you 1198 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:36.449 about is your connection to SNL. Because of the many 1199 01:01:36.570 --> 01:01:41.860 things that you entered in my life, I mean... you 1200 01:01:41.889 --> 01:01:44.360 were also connected to the show, one of the shows 1201 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.519 that shaped my life when I was learning what I 1202 01:01:46.579 --> 01:01:48.340 wanted to do with my life. You know, Saturday Night 1203 01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.579 Live was such a huge part of my world. And 1204 01:01:51.619 --> 01:01:56.110 the fact that you and Lorne and just the Beatles, 1205 01:01:56.150 --> 01:01:57.949 like they always felt like they were, it felt like 1206 01:01:57.969 --> 01:02:00.369 you guys were hanging around all the time. And- you 1207 01:02:00.429 --> 01:02:02.469 do go to the show quite a bit and you've 1208 01:02:02.489 --> 01:02:05.489 been on the show quite a bit. And I mean, 1209 01:02:05.750 --> 01:02:09.409 there's just so many incredible moments on that show. I mean, I, 1210 01:02:09.429 --> 01:02:11.239 when I was preparing for this interview, I was thinking 1211 01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:15.480 about the Chris Farley moment, which no one's seen. It's 1212 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.219 incredible sketch where Chris Farley is interviewing you and he 1213 01:02:19.300 --> 01:02:21.539 does what I'm sure most people do is he just 1214 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:23.480 tells you what you've done. 1215 01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:29.000 He's so good, wasn't he? So good. I think the 1216 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.960 first time I was introduced to him was John, who 1217 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.900 was living in New York. Right. And who, you know, 1218 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.739 loved SNL. And it was around that time when Lorne 1219 01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:45.489 had come on and offered us $ 3, 000 to perform because, 1220 01:02:45.510 --> 01:02:49.170 you know, everyone was offering a million to get back together. 1221 01:02:49.230 --> 01:02:50.309 And he holds up a check. 1222 01:02:50.530 --> 01:02:53.800 And he's got a little check from everyone. which apparently 1223 01:02:53.900 --> 01:02:56.239 was what they would have paid us, NBC. 1224 01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:00.519 And I love, you've spoken on this, that you all 1225 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:02.420 considered it for a second. I mean, you were in 1226 01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:04.039 New York, you were performing, Wings was performing. 1227 01:03:04.059 --> 01:03:08.559 Just

me and John were at a place in New York. 1228 01:03:09.219 --> 01:03:11.460 And he said, have you seen this show? I said, no. 1229 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:16.170 He said, well, this guy comes on and he's offering us. 1230 01:03:17.389 --> 01:03:20.889 And John said, we should go down now. Because it 1231 01:03:20.909 --> 01:03:25.199 was on live. and said, go and surprise them. So 1232 01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:28.389 for a second, we were going to do that. But 1233 01:03:28.429 --> 01:03:31.269 then it was like, no, it's much too comfortable here. 1234 01:03:32.070 --> 01:03:32.949 Let's just watch it. 1235 01:03:33.289 --> 01:03:34.449 Yeah, it's 11.30. 1236 01:03:34.429 --> 01:03:37.869 We watched it. Yeah. But I think that was the 1237 01:03:37.929 --> 01:03:42.650 first time I'd seen the show and then sort of 1238 01:03:42.690 --> 01:03:47.860 realized why everyone was massive fans of it and why 1239 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.380 it was such an American institution. I mean, I love 1240 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:55.300 being included in sketches. You know, I like doing the music. 1241 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.280 Be careful saying that because they're going to keep writing 1242 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:57.639 you in. 1243 01:03:57.659 --> 01:04:00.099 I don't mind. You like it. 1244 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:00.699 You like it. 1245 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.940 Yeah. I was like a garage guy, a mechanic. Yeah. 1246 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:11.340 The last one I did with Marcelo. Yeah. And Will Ferrell. 1247 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.699 What was it like working with Marcelo? Just kidding. And 1248 01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:17.960 then Yoga Boys. 1249 01:04:17.980 --> 01:04:20.840 Also the one I did with Marty Shaw. Oh, Marty. 1250 01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:23.820 Marty Shaw. He's so great. 1251 01:04:23.860 --> 01:04:24.480 He's so great. 1252 01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.960 We were actually a year ago, we were actually having dinner. 1253 01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:37.250 It was me, Lorne, Jimmy Fallon, and Martin was going 1254 01:04:37.289 --> 01:04:39.929 to come to dinner with us, but he was late. 1255 01:04:40.449 --> 01:04:43.230 So we're all sitting in the thing and the restaurant's crowded. 1256 01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:47.929 You know, and then Martin comes in from left and 1257 01:04:47.969 --> 01:04:50.869 he's walking through and he's pretending he doesn't know where 1258 01:04:50.929 --> 01:04:57.650 we are. He's seen us. He's gone, oh. Oh, excuse me. Oh, sorry. 1259 01:04:57.710 --> 01:05:01.639 And he's bumping into tables and he's doing that whole 1260 01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:06.860 bit of his, you know. Oh, there you are. So funny. Hysterical. 1261 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:10.199 Hysterical. Okay, quick rapid fire. We're going to get you 1262 01:05:10.219 --> 01:05:13.079 out of here. Okay, so rapid fire time. Best decade 1263 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:13.679 for music. 1264 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:14.420 Six years. 1265 01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:17.110 If you

were an animal, what animal would you be? 1266 01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:17.719 Horse. 1267 01:05:18.409 --> 01:05:18.639 Why? 1268 01:05:18.659 --> 01:05:20.389 Because I love horses. 1269 01:05:21.010 --> 01:05:22.329 Do you think you've lived before? 1270 01:05:22.349 --> 01:05:23.829 Possibly. 1271 01:05:24.110 --> 01:05:24.789 And who were you? 1272 01:05:25.769 --> 01:05:32.949 Me. King Essel the Unready. 1273 01:05:32.969 --> 01:05:35.090 Do you have a favorite song you've ever written? 1274 01:05:35.690 --> 01:05:41.289 Yeah, Here, There and Everywhere. I like that song. Okay. 1275 01:05:42.050 --> 01:05:43.590 Nancy's favorite song of yours? 1276 01:05:44.070 --> 01:05:46.219 Days we left behind of the new album. 1277 01:05:46.500 --> 01:05:49.460 Fantastic. Last concert you went to? 1278 01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:51.550 I think it was Brandi Carlile. 1279 01:05:52.869 --> 01:05:55.750 She was in here. How talented is she? Yeah. 1280 01:05:57.400 --> 01:05:59.440 She's a very nice girl too. 1281 01:05:59.539 --> 01:06:03.099 There just must be a feeling when you meet songwriters, right? 1282 01:06:03.139 --> 01:06:05.170 There just must be a feeling of like, oh, we 1283 01:06:05.210 --> 01:06:05.690 know each other. 1284 01:06:05.750 --> 01:06:08.170 We know how to do this. Yeah. Even though we 1285 01:06:08.210 --> 01:06:10.840 don't know how to do it, but we've done it. 1286 01:06:11.110 --> 01:06:13.010 Yeah, we've done it. I mean, I felt that way 1287 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:16.199 even when I watched Get Back and when I was... 1288 01:06:16.579 --> 01:06:20.840 watching you uh write that song for example and the 1289 01:06:20.940 --> 01:06:24.840 process of writing it and being together and you were 1290 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.440 doing to me what looked like what we would do 1291 01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:29.760 in a comedy writer's room which is you work a 1292 01:06:29.820 --> 01:06:32.650 little bit and then you fuck around a lot because 1293 01:06:32.809 --> 01:06:35.409 you can only kind of like think of something original 1294 01:06:35.469 --> 01:06:37.130 for a few minutes and then you have to like 1295 01:06:37.710 --> 01:06:39.889 play other people's songs and like goof around i mean 1296 01:06:39.909 --> 01:06:42.889 you were doing bits basically with each other that was 1297 01:06:42.949 --> 01:06:45.300 a way to get offline to get back into like 1298 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.380 your creative space. And it was like a process that 1299 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.639 felt like, oh, this is what process looks like. 1300 01:06:50.940 --> 01:06:55.119 Yeah, that's what we've been mates for years. So, you know, 1301 01:06:55.179 --> 01:06:59.349 you goof around. John would pick up something, you know. 1302 01:06:59.369 --> 01:07:03.550 I remember she came in through the bathroom window, one 1303 01:07:03.570 --> 01:07:08.449 of my songs, and I'm Tuesdays on, Monday's on the 1304 01:07:08.510 --> 01:07:11.039 phone to Tuesday, whatever it is. So Tuesday's on the 1305 01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:14.179 phone to me, I think was the line. So I 1306 01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:18.670 start going, hello, Tuesday. All right, darling. And then John 1307 01:07:18.750 --> 01:07:22.250 picks it up. He's on the piano. All right, Tuesday. 1308 01:07:22.289 --> 01:07:29.019 And he starts doing Tuesday. And we were talking to Tuesday, um, So, yeah, 1309 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:33.000 we could do that. Yeah. Because we'd hung out a lot. 1310 01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:36.300 I mean, we went hitchhiking together and things, you know. 1311 01:07:36.699 --> 01:07:42.800 So we would sleep together. And that makes you kind of, 1312 01:07:42.860 --> 01:07:45.260 you know, quite intimate with each other. Yeah. 1313 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:47.940 Well, just getting to see the way you work together 1314 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:52.039 feels like anybody who's in some kind of creative space 1315 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:55.429 working with somebody else, they felt like they understood what 1316 01:07:55.469 --> 01:08:00.150 that was. feeling is like this idea that you kind 1317 01:08:00.190 --> 01:08:01.889 of talked about it earlier, that there's just some kind 1318 01:08:01.929 --> 01:08:05.190 of magic you're supposed to make space for and room for. 1319 01:08:05.210 --> 01:08:08.989 And if you're lucky, it comes in. And if you're 1320 01:08:09.010 --> 01:08:11.059 even luckier, you get to make it. And then if 1321 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:12.349 you're the luckiest people love it. 1322 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:17.079 It's true. I think if you love it, people probably will. 1323 01:08:18.340 --> 01:08:23.500 Well, I feel like I'll end by saying, Paul, that the, 1324 01:08:24.449 --> 01:08:26.159 The thing that I feel like you taught me as 1325 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.159 an artist, uh, knowing you for my entire life, not 1326 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:36.119 knowing you, but knowing your work is that love is really, that's, 1327 01:08:36.229 --> 01:08:41.270 that's the thing. Like, it's like loss is inevitable. Change 1328 01:08:41.310 --> 01:08:45.210 is inevitable. Life is wild. But if you can keep 1329 01:08:45.270 --> 01:08:49.199 kind of heading towards the love part, um, you're headed 1330 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:50.060 in the right direction. 1331 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:50.640 Yeah. 1332 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:51.520 Thank you for that. 1333 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:58.699 That's all you need. No, I agree. And yeah, I 1334 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.039 would own up to being a romantic. I love it. 1335 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.300 I love films where it's romantic. I'm not a big 1336 01:09:05.380 --> 01:09:07.880 fan of like shoot-em-ups. 1337 01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:09.479 Do you like horror movies? 1338 01:09:09.819 --> 01:09:10.020 No. 1339 01:09:10.229 --> 01:09:10.560 Me neither. 1340 01:09:12.229 --> 01:09:13.630 And let's take a minute. 1341 01:09:14.229 --> 01:09:14.470 Yeah? 1342 01:09:14.729 -->

01:09:15.350 Zombies. 1343 01:09:15.789 --> 01:09:16.949 Forget zombies. 1344 01:09:17.510 --> 01:09:20.310 I mean, people love that. 1345 01:09:20.510 --> 01:09:21.189 I've never watched. 1346 01:09:21.210 --> 01:09:22.989 Not very keen. No. 1347 01:09:23.649 --> 01:09:23.970 Zombies. 1348 01:09:24.029 --> 01:09:26.630 I've said this before, but if there was a zombie apocalypse, 1349 01:09:26.670 --> 01:09:28.949 I would immediately just take a pill and go to 1350 01:09:28.970 --> 01:09:33.189 sleep forever. There's no way I would ever, like, fight 1351 01:09:33.260 --> 01:09:33.989 a zombie. 1352 01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:36.399 No. Well, I'd fight it for you. 1353 01:09:36.819 --> 01:09:37.479 Thank you, Paul. 1354 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:38.359 Grrrr. 1355 01:09:40.189 --> 01:09:40.939 So darling. 1356 01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:41.539 Okay. 1357 01:09:41.779 --> 01:09:44.779 So what is making you laugh right now as we end? 1358 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:45.979 Anything? 1359 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.979 What do you watch to giggle? 1360 01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:52.479 Yeah, films and things. 1361 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.560 Like what? What do you think is funny? Well, let's 1362 01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:56.000 watch a video together as we end. 1363 01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:57.800 My favorite year. 1364 01:09:58.359 --> 01:09:59.689 Oh, Peter O'Toole? 1365 01:09:59.939 --> 01:10:00.100 Yeah. 1366 01:10:00.609 --> 01:10:02.279 I thought that was funny. 1367 01:10:02.300 --> 01:10:04.819 I love that movie. I haven't seen it in so long. 1368 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:06.680 No, that's what I mean. I asked someone what their 1369 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.640 favorite film was and they come up with that one. 1370 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:09.979 Oh, I love that film. 1371 01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:11.640 Yeah, it's a great film. 1372 01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:16.859 For people who don't remember that, that was an 80s comedy. Oh, yeah, 1373 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.180 Peter O'Toole plays like an actor who's on a variety show, right? 1374 01:10:21.380 --> 01:10:23.840 Yeah, he's a has-been. 1375 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:24.899 Yes. 1376 01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:27.640 And he gets drunk all the time. That's right. And 1377 01:10:27.659 --> 01:10:30.199 the young guys put in charge of him. 1378 01:10:30.949 --> 01:10:33.210 There was a big stretch in the 80s where all 1379 01:10:33.229 --> 01:10:38.609 the characters were really drunk. Like Arthur, my favorite. There's 1380 01:10:38.689 --> 01:10:42.590 quite a bunch where like the lead was like falling 1381 01:10:42.649 --> 01:10:50.010 down drunk. And we were like, that's hilarious. Okay, let's 1382 01:10:50.090 --> 01:10:52.810 watch just the trailer of my favorite year before we end. 1383 01:10:53.100 --> 01:10:57.359 It was the year Hollywood's greatest heroes swashbuckled his way onto. 1384 01:10:57.140 --> 01:11:01.000 Live TV and into Benji's life. 1385 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.859 I mean, this looks like, um, Monty Python. 1386 01:11:03.890 --> 01:11:04.210 That's one. 1387 01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:19.100 Peter O'Toole passing out. 1388 01:11:19.340 --> 01:11:19.840 He's good. 1389 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:21.619 God, Peter O'Toole is good. 1390 01:11:22.340 --> 01:11:23.119 Yeah. 1391 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.680 Well, Paul McCartney, I could talk to you all day. 1392 01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:30.250 You may, Amy. I really, really, really appreciate you being here. 1393 01:11:30.510 --> 01:11:32.869 It's a total thrill to talk to you. 1394 01:11:34.130 --> 01:11:34.750 How did we do? 1395 01:11:34.770 --> 01:11:35.890 We did okay? 1396 01:11:35.989 --> 01:11:37.090 I think we did great. 1397 01:11:37.189 --> 01:11:38.090 I mean, all right. 1398 01:11:38.250 --> 01:11:38.909 I enjoyed it. 1399 01:11:39.109 --> 01:11:39.760 All right, good. 1400 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:43.340 Yeah. Thanks, Paul. 1401 01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:44.319 Thanks for doing this. 1402 01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:45.000 Thanks, Amy. 1403 01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:46.439 Okay, you're excused. 1404 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:49.649 Yes, miss. 1405 01:11:53.689 --> 01:11:57.329 Thank you, Paul McCartney. Um, I, I don't know what 1406 01:11:57.350 --> 01:11:59.649 to say. It was, it was a complete thrill to 1407 01:11:59.689 --> 01:12:03.289 talk to you and what an incredible conversation. And, you know, 1408 01:12:03.390 --> 01:12:05.970 for this polar plunge, I just, I feel the need 1409 01:12:06.010 --> 01:12:09.310 to call my mother and tell her that I just 1410 01:12:09.380 --> 01:12:13.140 interviewed Paul McCartney. So if you will indulge me, um, listeners, 1411 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:15.859 I have not told my mom or my dad that 1412 01:12:15.979 --> 01:12:21.180 I'm interviewing, uh, Paul, um, uh, because they can't be 1413 01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:25.079 trusted with that information, but, um, I'm going to FaceTime, um, 1414 01:12:25.100 --> 01:12:27.560 my mom right now and see if we can get 1415 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:33.710 a real time, a real time response. Now she tech. Hello. 1416 01:12:33.729 --> 01:12:33.789 Hi. 1417 01:12:33.789 --> 01:12:37.250 Um, can you hear me? Yeah. 1418 01:12:37.270 --> 01:12:43.090 You're on the, uh, In the podcast. 1419 01:12:43.350 --> 01:12:45.989 I'm doing the podcast right now, so your voices are 1420 01:12:46.010 --> 01:12:47.850 going to be recorded. Is that okay? Do I have 1421 01:12:47.869 --> 01:12:48.829 your legal consent? 1422 01:12:49.649 --> 01:12:51.409 Depends on how I feel it went. 1423 01:12:51.609 --> 01:12:52.649 Okay, let me talk to mom. 1424 01:12:54.649 --> 01:12:54.930 Okay. 1425 01:12:54.949 --> 01:13:00.020 What's up? Guess who I just interviewed. Mom, who would 1426 01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:01.399 be your favorite person? 1427 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:03.100 Oh, my gosh. 1428 01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.140 Who is the most excited person you've ever met when 1429 01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:07.060 you came to SNL? 1430 01:13:08.979 --> 01:13:09.100 Oh.

1431 01:13:09.779 --> 01:13:10.539 Paul McCartney. 1432 01:13:11.609 --> 01:13:13.229 I just interviewed Paul McCartney. 1433 01:13:13.470 --> 01:13:14.270 No, sir. 1434 01:13:15.729 --> 01:13:16.069 I did. 1435 01:13:17.010 --> 01:13:18.930 I just interviewed Paul McCartney. 1436 01:13:19.529 --> 01:13:19.789 Yeah. 1437 01:13:19.810 --> 01:13:22.600 Oh, my God. Your mother brags about the time. 1438 01:13:22.619 --> 01:13:23.600 Did you mention my name? 1439 01:13:26.500 --> 01:13:29.380 She brags about the time he knocked on your door 1440 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.250 at SNL and said, oh, I like your daughter. 1441 01:13:32.310 --> 01:13:33.710 Yeah, he said, are you Amy's mother? 1442 01:13:33.729 --> 01:13:34.689 That's right. 1443 01:13:34.890 --> 01:13:35.350 That's right. 1444 01:13:35.369 --> 01:13:37.649 And Eileen said. Oh, Sir Paul. 1445 01:13:37.689 --> 01:13:38.470 Hello, Sir Paul. 1446 01:13:38.550 --> 01:13:42.720 Okay, Mom, you know, as I wrap up this episode, 1447 01:13:43.229 --> 01:13:46.239 what is the memory you have of, like, how important 1448 01:13:46.260 --> 01:13:50.640 were the Beatles to you? Oh, it was unbelievable. My 1449 01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:54.420 big memory is the first time they played on Ed Sullivan. 1450 01:13:54.539 --> 01:13:56.960 Ed Sullivan's show with your long hair. 1451 01:13:57.140 --> 01:13:59.739 And my father said, look at those guys with that 1452 01:13:59.779 --> 01:14:00.380 long hair. 1453 01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:01.800 That's right. 1454 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:04.180 Yeah. I liked them immediately. 1455 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:04.659 Yeah. 1456 01:14:04.899 --> 01:14:06.760 I went to see. 1457 01:14:06.539 --> 01:14:08.939 Them, I think. Didn't you go to In Limb somewhere? 1458 01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:10.119 No, that was the Rolling Stones. 1459 01:14:10.180 --> 01:14:13.920 No, I never saw them. You never saw them. You 1460 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:15.819 just saw the Rolling Stones. 1461 01:14:16.060 --> 01:14:19.520 No, but he made a joke to Eileen about, didn't 1462 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.199 I see you in the fourth row? 1463 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:21.640 Oh, yeah. 1464 01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:23.380 He said, were you at the. 1465 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:25.199 Okay, I got to go. I got, okay, I got 1466 01:14:25.229 --> 01:14:28.729 to go. Okay. I love you guys. I wanted to 1467 01:14:28.810 --> 01:14:31.069 tell you that I just interviewed Paul McCartney. 1468 01:14:31.390 --> 01:14:31.720 Cool. 1469 01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:32.560 I'm so psyched. 1470 01:14:33.029 --> 01:14:34.220 Nice. All right. 1471 01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:35.159 Love you guys. 1472 01:14:35.779 --> 01:14:36.079 Okay. 1473 01:14:36.180 --> 01:14:38.340 I'll keep track of his numbers and see if he 1474 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:39.800 beats out Paul Rudd. 1475 01:14:42.699 --> 01:14:43.840 He's coming for you, Rudd. 1476 01:14:44.699 --> 01:14:45.859 All right. All right. 1477 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:46.619 Okay. 1478 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:47.439 Love you guys. 1479 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:48.760 Bye. 1480 01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:52.590 Thanks everybody. Thanks for listening to Good Hang and we'll 1481 01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:53.189 see you soon. 1482 01:14:53.210 --> 01:14:53.449 Bye. 1483 01:14:56.439 --> 01:14:59.289 You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for 1484 01:14:59.310 --> 01:15:02.649 this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. 1485 01:15:02.949 --> 01:15:05.189 The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. 1486 01:15:05.329 --> 01:15:09.130 For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, 1487 01:15:09.390 --> 01:15:14.100 Alea Zanaris, Bridget Geerlings, Paige Garberini, Belle Roman, and Drew 1488 01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.500 Van Steenbergen. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, 1489 01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:21.439 and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.