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coronavirus and everything else that has happened as a result. 73 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:20.740 No conspiracy there. Nothing suspicious going on there. 74 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:24.240 I would never think that. Of course not. But my 75 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.110 question is, do you think there is a grand conspiracy 76 00:04:28.170 --> 00:04:33.209 at play or some type of psychological warfare operation against 77 00:04:33.850 --> 00:04:37.600 the people? Or are they using this coronavirus as just 78 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:41.129 a convenient way to push through the some agendas that 79 00:04:41.170 --> 00:04:44.149 were in the works or is something completely different? I'd 80 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:45.589 like to get your thoughts on that. 81 00:04:45.769 --> 00:04:49.550 Let's start with the last one. At the minimum, it's 82 00:04:49.589 --> 00:04:52.620 very clear that the powers that be, or as I 83 00:04:52.660 --> 00:04:57.540 like to call them, Mr. Globaloney, is using this as 84 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:02.819 a crisis of opportunity to get several objectives accomplished in 85 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:07.500 one fell swoop. From a social engineering standpoint, let's see 86 00:05:07.540 --> 00:05:10.430 how far we can we can make the sheep docile 87 00:05:10.490 --> 00:05:13.370 and compliant with a narrative that, you know, makes really 88 00:05:13.430 --> 00:05:17.350 no sense. You know, are we dealing with one virus 89 00:05:17.430 --> 00:05:20.430 or several, you know, I'm still kind of unclear about that. 90 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.459 And then, you know, all the statistical anomalies that have 91 00:05:26.500 --> 00:05:30.740 accompanied this whole thing, you know, what are they counting 92 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:36.579 as Corona deaths? Well, that depends. So to me at 93 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.220 the minimum, Chris, it looks like we're dealing with a 94 00:05:40.899 --> 00:05:46.649 crisis of opportunity. And while everybody's misdirected towards COVID, what 95 00:05:46.689 --> 00:05:49.509 are they really doing? Well, they're indulging in this great 96 00:05:49.550 --> 00:05:53.470 financial reset. They're trying to get everything to move to 97 00:05:53.509 --> 00:05:57.250 a digital currency. And I put quotation marks around currency 98 00:05:58.110 --> 00:06:02.189 as fast as they can. So yeah, they're accomplishing a 99 00:06:02.269 --> 00:06:05.230 lot with this. And one of the biggest things that 100 00:06:05.269 --> 00:06:09.589 they've managed to accomplish with it is because of the lockdowns. 101 00:06:09.649 --> 00:06:15.689 And let's remember, that's a term used in prisons. One 102 00:06:15.709 --> 00:06:18.430 of the biggest things they've managed to do is wipe 103 00:06:18.550 --> 00:06:24.899 out the middle class. Online retail sales have skyrocketed. In 104 00:06:24.939 --> 00:06:28.439 other words, the Amazons, the Jeff Bezoses, and so on, 105 00:06:28.740 --> 00:06:33.560 have been making hand over fist dollars because of all 106 00:06:33.579 --> 00:06:35.889 of this. While at the same time, they're driving out 107 00:06:35.930 --> 00:06:40.750 of business the Bon Postures. So, you know, they've accomplished 108 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:44.279 a great deal economically in terms of their great, in 109 00:06:44.339 --> 00:06:47.100 terms of their great reset. But at a deeper level, 110 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.620 I do suspect that there's a lot more going on 111 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.420 with this that just does not, in my opinion, add up. 112 00:06:55.660 --> 00:06:58.170 One of the biggest things to me still is the 113 00:06:58.209 --> 00:07:04.110 fact that Professor Lieber at Harvard University, the, the, chairman 114 00:07:04.129 --> 00:07:07.829 of the chemistry department there and an expert in nanotechnology, 115 00:07:08.970 --> 00:07:13.430 was arrested shortly after this planned scandemic broke out for 116 00:07:13.490 --> 00:07:19.250 having not disclosed financial ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. 117 00:07:20.829 --> 00:07:24.019 And then after that happened, we come to find out 118 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:33.759 that Dr. Fauci himself That was a deliberate slip, I 119 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.139 have to say, but that's what I think of the man. Oh, 120 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.810 how many masks do we need? Well, one, two, maybe five, 121 00:07:39.850 --> 00:07:43.209 you know, 15. You know, I saw a cartoon of 122 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:45.370 him wearing a mask that was nothing but a pack 123 00:07:45.410 --> 00:07:53.680 of bologna. Which I like. Anyway, come to find out 124 00:07:53.740 --> 00:07:57.279 he has had financial ties to that same institution in China. 125 00:07:59.459 --> 00:08:04.399 And now we have this mad rush with these vaccines that, 126 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:06.259 as far as I can tell, are not like any 127 00:08:06.339 --> 00:08:10.439 other kind of vaccine we've ever seen before with all 128 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:15.430 the adverse reactions that are going along with them. So yeah, 129 00:08:15.550 --> 00:08:17.910 I think there's a deeper aspect of this that we 130 00:08:17.970 --> 00:08:21.230 have yet really to plumb. So I leave the door 131 00:08:21.310 --> 00:08:23.069 here to conspiracy wide open. 132 00:08:23.910 --> 00:08:26.529 Yes, that's pretty much all you can do at this point. 133 00:08:26.550 --> 00:08:31.209 Now you mentioned China. do you think that they have 134 00:08:31.389 --> 00:08:34.970 a larger role to play in what's going on than 135 00:08:35.009 --> 00:08:38.649 may appear? Because, you know, at the beginning, everything was 136 00:08:38.690 --> 00:08:41.950 being blamed on China, horrific things, images were coming out 137 00:08:41.970 --> 00:08:44.669 of China, people dropping dead on the streets. And then, 138 00:08:44.740 --> 00:08:47.039 you know, it goes back and forth. No, it's not China. 139 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:49.440 It's not a bioweapon. You know, what do

you think 140 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:52.759 China's role is in the grand scheme of things? 141 00:08:53.340 --> 00:08:56.850 Well, in the grand, let me rephrase your question. a bit, 142 00:08:56.950 --> 00:09:01.289 because I think in the grand scheme of things that 143 00:09:01.750 --> 00:09:06.470 there was prior to this planned scandemic, there was some 144 00:09:06.529 --> 00:09:10.909 sort of very covert war going on between China and 145 00:09:11.409 --> 00:09:16.240 presumably this country, perhaps other Western powers or what have you. 146 00:09:17.100 --> 00:09:20.700 And to me, the surest sign of that is the 147 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.269 flooding that occurred in China. that got to the point 148 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:27.250 that they were actually very, very concerned about the Three 149 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:31.659 Gorges Dam. You know, that weather system just sort of 150 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:36.820 parked itself in the Indian Ocean and didn't move. And 151 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.679 to me, that's a little suspicious because I do believe 152 00:09:39.740 --> 00:09:45.220 we have weather manipulation technologies that are relatively, pardon me, 153 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:51.090 relatively sophisticated. So this weather system parks itself there and 154 00:09:51.129 --> 00:09:56.179 just inundates China with massive rains. And of course, a 155 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:58.529 lot of that rain feeds into the Yangtze river. So, 156 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.679 you know, it may have been, it may have been 157 00:10:02.740 --> 00:10:06.759 an example of covert weather manipulation warfare and weather is 158 00:10:06.820 --> 00:10:09.779 a perfect way to wage a covert war because, you know, Oh, 159 00:10:09.820 --> 00:10:11.830 it wasn't us. It was simply an act of God. 160 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:16.730 You know, it was kind of like the Katrina hurricane 161 00:10:16.750 --> 00:10:21.080 that goes zipping along the about a decade or so, 162 00:10:21.100 --> 00:10:23.799 more than a decade ago, goes zipping along through the 163 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:28.240 Gulf and then makes a right angle turn and plows, 164 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.539 you know, well, hurricanes don't do that. Yeah. You know, 165 00:10:32.590 --> 00:10:36.309 they just don't. So, yeah, I've been thinking there's some 166 00:10:36.350 --> 00:10:39.289 sort of covert warfare that has been going on for 167 00:10:39.330 --> 00:10:42.049 a long time and COVID may be just another chapter 168 00:10:42.129 --> 00:10:42.340 in it. 169 00:10:43.490 --> 00:10:47.990 Right. And one of the Big anomalies for me, even 170 00:10:48.129 --> 00:10:53.399 before 2020, was the Trump presidency, really, the whole thing. 171 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:59.899 I've never been political. I've never really trusted politicians. I 172 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:02.620 always had the idea that they were kind of both 173 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:06.759 under a level of control, and it was just more 174 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:09.309 of a puppet show than anything, but that's just my 175 00:11:09.350 --> 00:11:12.549 personal opinion. But Trump was kind of an anomaly to me, 176 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:14.769 just because of the things he would say, the things 177 00:11:14.809 --> 00:11:18.450 he would do. especially when it came to calling out 178 00:11:18.509 --> 00:11:21.669 the fake media and some of the things that were 179 00:11:21.730 --> 00:11:25.980 happening during the COVID fiasco. What are your thoughts on 180 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:30.360 the Trump presidency? Was he some sort of controlled opposition, 181 00:11:30.379 --> 00:11:33.080 or was he a legit outsider that was trying to 182 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:34.059 maybe change things? 183 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.399 Well, you know, Chris, in all honesty, I puzzled myself 184 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.759 about that, and let me tell you why. I'm kind 185 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:44.139 of like you. I'm very. 186 00:11:45.659 --> 00:11:50.299 I'm not so much politically agnostic, but politically fed up. So, 187 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:53.940 you know, when, when shrub the first ran for president 188 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.210 in 1988, that was when I retired from voting. I, 189 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:02.590 you know, to me, this, I have no use for 190 00:12:02.610 --> 00:12:06.529 their family. Uh, you know, a choice between him and 191 00:12:06.929 --> 00:12:09.429 Bill Clinton is, you know, which, which fashion of the 192 00:12:09.490 --> 00:12:14.070 CIA do you want running things? Um, So I went 193 00:12:14.110 --> 00:12:16.889 into voting retirement and I did not vote in any 194 00:12:16.950 --> 00:12:22.850 election at any level until 2016 when Trump was running 195 00:12:22.909 --> 00:12:25.029 against Hillary. And it wasn't so much that I was 196 00:12:25.090 --> 00:12:28.230 a supporter of Trump. It's just that I knew that 197 00:12:28.409 --> 00:12:33.580 her getting in was a bad idea. And I also 198 00:12:33.620 --> 00:12:38.399 had the opinion at that time, Chris, that Trump may 199 00:12:38.500 --> 00:12:44.620 represent more some faction of the American deep state that 200 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:49.059 was truly, truly and deeply, and there's no other way 201 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:54.000 to put it, pissed off. Because we had Obamacare come in, 202 00:12:54.759 --> 00:13:00.159 which gutted the casino business. People were not using whatever 203 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.340 spending money that they had for things like that to 204 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.700 go out and gamble. So you had, you know, you 205 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.860 had that element of the deep state. Everybody knows that 206 00:13:09.580 --> 00:13:14.019 The casino business is deeply, deeply tied to the mob 207 00:13:14.059 --> 00:13:17.850 and so on and so forth. And I was thinking 208 00:13:17.889 --> 00:13:21.210 that Trump represented some sort of faction of that element. 209 00:13:21.850

--> 00:13:25.190 And again, with Trump, he had his personal associations with, 210 00:13:25.330 --> 00:13:29.649 you know, the original swamp creature, Roy Cohn. And, you know, 211 00:13:29.769 --> 00:13:32.240 Cohn goes all the way back to Senator McCarthy and 212 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:36.659 knew where all of the bodies were buried. So I thought, well, 213 00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:40.029 maybe there's... more going on here than meets the eye. Well, 214 00:13:40.049 --> 00:13:45.039 then once he gets into office, his appointments baffled me 215 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.179 because they were not the kind of appointments that you 216 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:50.659 would see someone trying to combat the deep state or 217 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:56.330 drain the swamp make. Case in point, William Barr. If 218 00:13:56.350 --> 00:14:02.169 you know anything about that whole Clinton, MENA, Arkansas, Barry Seale, 219 00:14:02.429 --> 00:14:05.649 you know, drug running operation, William Barr is front and 220 00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:08.690 center in the middle of that. So it began to 221 00:14:08.730 --> 00:14:13.350 baffle me. And at this point, I can't honestly say 222 00:14:13.789 --> 00:14:18.929 that I'm maintaining that same position. I don't know what 223 00:14:18.990 --> 00:14:21.190 Trump was other than an anomaly. 224 00:14:22.169 --> 00:14:25.600 Yes, he was definitely an anomaly. And something that kind 225 00:14:25.629 --> 00:14:29.600 of went along with that was the whole QAnon thing. 226 00:14:30.970 --> 00:14:33.080 I don't know if it was a phenomenon or what 227 00:14:33.100 --> 00:14:35.039 you want to call it. I think personally it was 228 00:14:35.220 --> 00:14:38.059 some kind of strange psyop. I still can't put my 229 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:41.379 finger on it. I do too. Yeah, but that kind 230 00:14:41.419 --> 00:14:43.590 of went along with the Trump presidency, and towards the 231 00:14:43.750 --> 00:14:46.970 end it was just being used to not only demonize 232 00:14:47.029 --> 00:14:51.230 Trump but all his supporters. If you're into this QAnon thing, 233 00:14:51.269 --> 00:14:53.830 you're a conspiracy theorist, and you're a danger, and you're 234 00:14:53.850 --> 00:14:58.559 a white supremacist, and you're everything else that's dangerous to America. 235 00:14:59.090 --> 00:15:02.389 So they ended up using that towards the end, and 236 00:15:02.429 --> 00:15:04.909 that just kind of solidified that, yeah, this was probably 237 00:15:04.970 --> 00:15:08.559 some kind of psyop to get people divided and get 238 00:15:08.620 --> 00:15:13.200 people turned against anything that goes against the mainstream narrative, basically. 239 00:15:13.659 --> 00:15:15.960 Well, it was a clever psyop in that it did 240 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:22.090 two things. With my background being in patristics, I tend 241 00:15:22.129 --> 00:15:26.190 to look at things for their theological or religious implications. 242 00:15:26.269 --> 00:15:28.919 And

to me, the whole QAnon op... right from the 243 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:32.419 start was setting you know it was designed more or 244 00:15:32.460 --> 00:15:35.940 less as a as a kind of religion it created 245 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.279 its own kind of cult and the second thing it 246 00:15:40.340 --> 00:15:47.289 did is it made people tremendously passive they didn't go 247 00:15:47.350 --> 00:15:49.990 out and do anything they were too busy decoding the 248 00:15:50.029 --> 00:15:53.830 messages and trusting the plan you know well if you're 249 00:15:53.850 --> 00:15:56.610 trusting the plan and sitting on your you know what 250 00:15:56.710 --> 00:16:01.909 eating popcorn you're You're not doing anything. So I was 251 00:16:01.950 --> 00:16:07.259 very suspicious of it. To me, it was another case 252 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.440 of very clever social engineering. But I will say this 253 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:14.779 about it. It also struck me at the time, looking 254 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:19.299 at it, that whoever was behind it, number one, was 255 00:16:19.340 --> 00:16:23.750 a group. And number two, they had access to some 256 00:16:23.889 --> 00:16:30.610 very sophisticated computing power. and some very sophisticated software algorithms 257 00:16:31.029 --> 00:16:32.769 to do some of the stuff that they were doing 258 00:16:33.169 --> 00:16:36.190 because they would dribble out just enough truth to hook 259 00:16:36.269 --> 00:16:39.649 everybody on all the rest of the different disinformation. And 260 00:16:39.710 --> 00:16:46.590 to me, Chris, that smacks of an intelligence operation. So 261 00:16:47.129 --> 00:16:52.440 the way I view things, I think those well-intentioned people 262 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.320 were just had, quite frankly. 263 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.220 And the way everything turned out towards the end with 264 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:05.130 the election and Biden winning and the allegations of election fraud. 265 00:17:05.150 --> 00:17:06.509 I would say Biden winning. 266 00:17:06.869 --> 00:17:10.750 Yeah, Biden winning. Exactly. And then the impeachment of Trump 267 00:17:10.789 --> 00:17:14.589 and then Trump doesn't end up getting– it's all so strange. 268 00:17:14.710 --> 00:17:18.450 Even after the election, when you look at the Biden presidency, 269 00:17:18.509 --> 00:17:22.869 how everything is going, it's strange. It's like some kind 270 00:17:22.890 --> 00:17:25.269 of strange, like Twilight Zone episode. 271 00:17:25.289 --> 00:17:26.349 It is. 272 00:17:27.049 --> 00:17:30.190 You don't hear anything negative anymore. We don't have a 273 00:17:30.309 --> 00:17:33.670 president to hate anymore. So everything that's coming out of 274 00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:36.710 the media is all one side now because mainly of 275 00:17:36.829 --> 00:17:39.869 the censorship that occurred the past year, and that's only 276 00:17:39.910 --> 00:17:41.829 getting worse. I'm going to talk about that later too. 277

00:17:41.970 --> 00:17:46.269 But as far as the election, just like you said, 278 00:17:46.329 --> 00:17:48.809 quote-unquote election, what do you think went on there? I 279 00:17:48.849 --> 00:17:52.529 mean was this– decided long before that we got to 280 00:17:52.569 --> 00:17:56.069 get this Trump out of here or, you know, what 281 00:17:56.089 --> 00:17:56.740 do you think about it? 282 00:17:57.089 --> 00:18:00.450 Well, I think, well, number one, I, to my mind, 283 00:18:00.869 --> 00:18:06.539 in my opinion, the, the prima facie evidence of fraud 284 00:18:06.779 --> 00:18:10.700 is pretty well overwhelming. And I think there were massive 285 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:15.200 amounts of it. Number two, to pull off that amount 286 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:19.180 of fraud, they had to have planned it carefully and 287 00:18:19.910 --> 00:18:24.579 which evidently they did because there are allegations, I think 288 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:29.299 some of them are possibly true, that China was shipping 289 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.160 in massive amounts of paper ballots and so on and 290 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:38.609 so forth. We've seen the, in my opinion, overreaction of 291 00:18:38.690 --> 00:18:43.190 Dominion suing Sidney Powell. We had the case of servers 292 00:18:43.289 --> 00:18:49.569 in Germany being raided. So to me, it's looking like 293 00:18:49.589 --> 00:18:54.190 there was a whole organized international effort to get him 294 00:18:54.369 --> 00:18:58.650 out of there because everything else had failed. And the 295 00:18:58.710 --> 00:19:02.279 assassination route just simply wasn't available because people wouldn't have 296 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:07.079 bought it, quite frankly. You know, the magic bullet didn't 297 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:12.900 sell too well after a decade. They had to get 298 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:19.190 him out of there. And To me, the evidence of 299 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:22.230 the operation is in the fact that we now have, 300 00:19:22.250 --> 00:19:25.890 and I'm not going to mince words, we now have 301 00:19:25.910 --> 00:19:31.789 a senile daughter in the White House who doesn't know 302 00:19:31.849 --> 00:19:35.559 where he is, doesn't know what he's signing, who's simply 303 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:40.680 there as a placeholder. And, you know, I call him 304 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:44.940 Bidenenko because of his connections to the Ukraine and all 305 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:48.670 of that mess. So we've got a very corrupt man 306 00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:52.400 who on top of everything else, is a senile daughter. 307 00:19:53.779 --> 00:19:57.250 And that, to me, is just kind of the final 308 00:19:57.490 --> 00:19:59.970 icing on the cake that this has all been some 309 00:20:00.089 --> 00:20:04.269 sort of show in terms of the opposition to Trump 310 00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:07.049 and so on and so forth. Mr. Globaloni is firmly 311 00:20:07.089 --> 00:20:10.710 back in charge. and is in a rush to get

312 00:20:10.769 --> 00:20:11.410 things done. 313 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:18.980 Yeah, and I can't see him lasting the whole presidency, honestly. 314 00:20:20.059 --> 00:20:22.480 And that could be part of the plan, too, to 315 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.519 just have Kamala jump right in his place once he 316 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:28.849 kicks the bucket. I don't know. I mean, that could 317 00:20:28.890 --> 00:20:30.009 be a big possibility. 318 00:20:30.650 --> 00:20:33.769 Well, I think there's a strong possibility of it, but again, 319 00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:40.579 she's just another placeholder. This administration is being run not 320 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:45.960 out of the White House, and it's not being run 321 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:49.930 out of the vice presidential residence either. It's being run 322 00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:54.769 from somewhere else, and they're just there to sign the papers. 323 00:20:56.069 --> 00:20:59.289 Yeah. Now, I want to cover some of the other 324 00:20:59.630 --> 00:21:03.259 agendas that are kind of unfolding right now. First, the 325 00:21:03.380 --> 00:21:06.119 one that nobody wants you talking about, the V word, 326 00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:07.839 but we can talk about it tonight because this is 327 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:12.180 not going to be on the draconian censorship YouTube network. 328 00:21:12.220 --> 00:21:16.309 It's going to be on our podcast and a private platform. 329 00:21:16.670 --> 00:21:18.329 But we're going to talk about the vaccines a little 330 00:21:18.369 --> 00:21:23.230 bit because, you know, they rushed it out. There was 331 00:21:23.309 --> 00:21:29.119 no testing. It's obvious that this was a huge agenda 332 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.440 to get this thing out to as many people as possible. 333 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.420 and we, of course, have negative side effects already. We 334 00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:39.109 have a lot of people dying. I, unfortunately, have family 335 00:21:39.170 --> 00:21:43.009 members that are brainwashed and lining up to go and 336 00:21:43.049 --> 00:21:46.250 take this thing, and we, of course, don't know the 337 00:21:46.289 --> 00:21:50.049 long-term side effects. And on top of that, when you 338 00:21:50.069 --> 00:21:52.569 look at all the information that we've been getting from 339 00:21:52.609 --> 00:21:58.009 the CDC the past year, the flu disappeared. The numbers 340 00:21:58.470 --> 00:22:01.029 never added up the whole time. It was all about 341 00:22:01.150 --> 00:22:05.349 the deaths, people dying of coronavirus, but they could have 342 00:22:05.369 --> 00:22:09.220 died of anything, and it was labeled as coronavirus. So 343 00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:13.359 what do you think the vaccine agenda is? I've heard 344 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:18.380 everything from genetic modification to some sort of depopulation agenda. 345 00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:21.569 I just think that there's something nefarious going on there 346 00:22:21.630 --> 00:22:23.609 to where they want all these people to get it. 347 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:27.119 Bill Gates is like the cheerleader for this thing. He's 348 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.579 had TED Talks in the past about eliminating the people's 349 00:22:31.700 --> 00:22:35.519 spiritual gene. I mean, it's terrifying to me. I'd like 350 00:22:35.539 --> 00:22:37.019 to get your thoughts on what do you think is 351 00:22:37.049 --> 00:22:37.700 happening with this. 352 00:22:38.140 --> 00:22:42.390 All of the above. All of the above. One thing 353 00:22:42.430 --> 00:22:45.029 we have to remember about Mr. Globaloni is that they 354 00:22:45.069 --> 00:22:49.769 like to stack operations. They like to stack objectives and 355 00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:53.890 deal with them in one fell swoop. I go back 356 00:22:54.130 --> 00:23:00.259 to the messenger RNA vaccine and to Dr. Charles Lieber 357 00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:05.519 and his connection to the Wuhan laboratory. When that connection 358 00:23:05.619 --> 00:23:10.960 came out, I went on record very early on that 359 00:23:11.059 --> 00:23:13.660 it was highly suspicious that you had an expert in 360 00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:20.160 nanotechnology being involved at some point in the research associated 361 00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:25.009 with that laboratory. And lo and behold, the next thing 362 00:23:25.049 --> 00:23:28.509 we know is we're hearing about messenger RNA vaccines. Now, 363 00:23:28.549 --> 00:23:31.039 this is a complete, for one thing, that's not a 364 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.640 vaccine in any classical sense, what they're trying to do. 365 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.859 What they're trying to do is genetically modify a response 366 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:46.400 in the immune system to respond and create antibodies to 367 00:23:46.420 --> 00:23:50.380 a virus that, you know, normally a smallpox virus, they 368 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:55.940 used cowpox. to inoculate people against smallpox because the two 369 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.519 were so similar, the immune system. And, you know, that's 370 00:23:58.539 --> 00:24:01.759 the way classical vaccines would work. These are not vaccines 371 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:07.500 in that sense. So there's another objective. And I suspect 372 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.329 that it is likely, since they also don't want to 373 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:16.230 label what's in their vaccines, I suspect it's likely that 374 00:24:16.269 --> 00:24:19.730 they want to sneak a little chip into everybody because, again, 375 00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:23.220 This is concurrent with the Great Financial Reset. They want 376 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.869 to create, quite literally, a beast economic system where in 377 00:24:27.990 --> 00:24:31.430 order to participate in it, you have to have their little, 378 00:24:31.450 --> 00:24:38.250 you know, mark or whatever. And they are pushing at 379 00:24:38.309 --> 00:24:44.299 the same time for everything to go to so-called

digital currencies. Well, 380 00:24:44.380 --> 00:24:48.140 first of all, a digital currency is not a currency. 381 00:24:49.069 --> 00:24:52.589 because the value of what's in your bank account or 382 00:24:52.650 --> 00:24:56.089 your blips can be modified at the push of a button. 383 00:24:56.289 --> 00:24:59.339 And if you're good boys and girls, oh, looky, looky, 384 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:03.579 your currency is worth more than if you're bad little 385 00:25:03.619 --> 00:25:05.619 boys and girls. So they're trying to connect all of 386 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.680 this to a social credit system, such as we have 387 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:15.660 in communist China. Let's remember. So yeah, I think they're 388 00:25:16.529 --> 00:25:19.720 I think they're trying to accomplish several objectives. And on 389 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:24.059 top of this, we have all of these adverse reactions 390 00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:28.420 coming out. I've put papers up on my website from 391 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:36.509 medical professionals that highly suspect that these vaccines, these mRNA vaccines, 392 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:40.869 could lead to prion disease. In other words, Creutzfeldt-Jakob's disease, 393 00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:46.900 or otherwise known as mad cow disease. And you raised 394 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.160 a very good point. These are just the reactions we're 395 00:25:50.289 --> 00:25:55.769 observing now. What are going to be the long-term health 396 00:25:55.829 --> 00:25:59.589 effects to the people that receive these things or to 397 00:25:59.670 --> 00:26:04.950 their offspring? And there are already studies indicating that these things, 398 00:26:05.130 --> 00:26:09.460 these so-called vaccines, can affect the fertility rate in women. 399 00:26:10.269 --> 00:26:12.670 And I do believe, if my memory serves me correctly, 400 00:26:12.730 --> 00:26:15.299 I saw a study where it's also affecting the sperm 401 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:20.079 count in men. So it's affecting women's fertility, men's virility. 402 00:26:20.140 --> 00:26:22.420 So what else have we got down the line waiting 403 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:31.089 for us? Neurological problems, reproduction problems, histamine reactions in some cases. 404 00:26:31.890 --> 00:26:34.750 So where is this going to end? 405 00:26:35.589 --> 00:26:37.950 Yeah, we're already seeing the passports that they want to 406 00:26:37.970 --> 00:26:38.369 roll out. 407 00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:42.970 Right, exactly. Exactly. You know, they're trying to clamp down 408 00:26:43.049 --> 00:26:46.130 on movement because of this. And the bottom line here, 409 00:26:46.170 --> 00:26:49.750 as you also indicated, the statistics simply do not bear 410 00:26:49.950 --> 00:26:55.750 out that this is anything near a pandemic. It isn't. 411 00:26:56.829 --> 00:27:01.359 It isn't. So, you know, it's as far as I'm concerned, 412 00:27:01.420 --> 00:27:04.539 it's another big fraud. This has been the year, you know, 413 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.559 this year and last year has been the year of 414 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:13.569 massive fraud. voter fraud, narrative fraud, epidemic fraud, financial fraud. 415 00:27:14.809 --> 00:27:19.759 And in other words, Mr. Globaloni is desperate. You know, 416 00:27:19.990 --> 00:27:22.140 that's the good thing to take away from this. If 417 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.380 they're willing to go to this length and, you know, 418 00:27:25.539 --> 00:27:28.660 rip the mask off of themselves and exhibit what they 419 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.279 really are and have always been, I would like to add, 420 00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:34.599 then it means they're in a very desperate spot. 421 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:39.220 Yes, they do seem very desperate. And one of the 422 00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.829 most frustrating things about all this is we have health 423 00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:46.109 care professionals. We have doctors. We have scientists. We have 424 00:27:46.130 --> 00:27:48.869 people coming out and talking about how dangerous this is 425 00:27:49.250 --> 00:27:53.380 and how people shouldn't be taking this. But immediately they're canceled. 426 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.240 They're fired. They're shut off. They lose their jobs or 427 00:27:57.339 --> 00:27:59.819 even worse. Who knows what's happening to some of these 428 00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:02.339 people that are speaking up? And on top of that, 429 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.730 we have enormous cancel culture right now that is out 430 00:28:05.750 --> 00:28:08.849 of control with the censorships. So you're only getting one 431 00:28:08.890 --> 00:28:11.569 side of information right now unless you go deep searching 432 00:28:11.690 --> 00:28:14.519 on BitChute or some of these other platforms. And you 433 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.559 have to really search for any alternative information these days. 434 00:28:18.019 --> 00:28:20.819 And that is a huge frustration for me that these 435 00:28:20.859 --> 00:28:23.339 professionals actually try to come out and then, boof, you 436 00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:25.839 don't hear from them anymore. Right, right. 437 00:28:26.539 --> 00:28:29.799 And the next step is just exactly what happened during 438 00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:33.589 World War II. Nazi Germany made it a capital offense 439 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.660 to listen to the BBC. or to be caught listening 440 00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:41.430 to it. So, you know, they're on that road. And 441 00:28:41.509 --> 00:28:44.930 I've got bad news for them. There's just too many 442 00:28:44.990 --> 00:28:47.309 people that are going to turn into the BBC, so 443 00:28:47.369 --> 00:28:56.440 to speak. They've lost their ability to control everything. And 444 00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.859 it's going to bite them in the you-know-what, because they're 445 00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:02.309 going to try and go ahead with their plans. And 446 00:29:02.329 --> 00:29:04.029 they're in a

hurry to do it. And the other 447 00:29:04.069 --> 00:29:06.009 thing we have to remember is when you're in a hurry, 448 00:29:06.049 --> 00:29:10.829 you make mistakes. It's just– it goes with being human. 449 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.799 Yeah, how far do you think this cancel culture and 450 00:29:14.859 --> 00:29:19.339 censorship can go? I mean I've nearly lost my channel 451 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.200 a couple of times already to where I'm just not 452 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.509 posting anything that's getting canceled anymore, just normal stuff that 453 00:29:25.549 --> 00:29:29.059 they allow you to talk about. But everything– we've had 454 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.670 cartoon characters canceled this week. We've had Muppets, Pepe Le Pew. 455 00:29:32.690 --> 00:29:36.710 I mean how far– and do you think that people 456 00:29:36.769 --> 00:29:39.250 are really getting offended over this, or is this just 457 00:29:39.490 --> 00:29:42.500 their decision? to cancel this because they're saying people are 458 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:46.799 getting offended? It's so hard to tell what– gauge where 459 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:48.220 people really stand nowadays. 460 00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:51.579 Well, I think– look, I think most of it is 461 00:29:51.619 --> 00:29:56.799 they're saying people are offended or could be. And the 462 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:02.119 problem with any form of progressivism is when is there 463 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.819 enough progress? In other words, they've never stated a goal 464 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.960 as to when this ends, nor can they, because it's 465 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.099 the process itself that they're involved with that empowers them. 466 00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:15.640 So in other words, don't expect these people all of 467 00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:17.720 a sudden to turn over a new leaf and be 468 00:30:17.859 --> 00:30:22.369 open to discussion. They're not. And this is why you 469 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.190 see all of, all of these moves all over the 470 00:30:26.329 --> 00:30:33.299 West for secession of some sort. We see states in 471 00:30:33.700 --> 00:30:38.599 the United States passing nullification law after nullification law preemptively. 472 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.619 So as far as I'm concerned, we're in a Harper's 473 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:49.970 Ferry 2.0 moment here. The parallels with the antebellum period 474 00:30:50.069 --> 00:30:52.609 prior to the war between the states in this country 475 00:30:52.809 --> 00:30:56.369 is astonishing. and somewhat frightening. 476 00:30:56.750 --> 00:30:59.289 Well, on top of that, they're also pushing racial division 477 00:30:59.650 --> 00:31:00.049 through the media. 478 00:31:00.089 --> 00:31:04.970 And they're pushing racial division. They're pushing sexual division. They're 479 00:31:04.990 --> 00:31:10.150 pushing demographic division. If you're old versus young and on 480 00:31:10.190 --> 00:31:15.269 and on we could go. And again, this is, to me, 481 00:31:15.329 --> 00:31:18.289 this is a sign that the powers that be are very, 482 00:31:18.349 --> 00:31:23.240 very desperate. And that's why they're in a hurry. They 483 00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:27.220 need to get this planet locked down. And I just 484 00:31:27.259 --> 00:31:28.920 don't think they're going to be successful. 485 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.160 Right. And on top of all that, we have another agenda. 486 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:37.460 We have this transhuman agenda, which personally, you know, I 487 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.319 don't care. You can be a dog, you can be 488 00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.220 a cat, you can be a girl, boy, whatever. But 489 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.549 it's the pushing of normalizing this agenda on mainstream society. 490 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:55.680 It's if my girlfriend's a female fighter and she's 250 491 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.960 pound guy decides he's a woman and that he's a 492 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.640 female fighter and he goes in and bashes her skull 493 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.640 and you know that's when it's not okay with me 494 00:32:03.789 --> 00:32:07.410 but they're pushing this stuff on society to where you 495 00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:09.089 know you can be whatever you want now you can 496 00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:11.509 be a cockroach you can be a cat a dog 497 00:32:11.549 --> 00:32:14.069 you know it's getting insane. 498 00:32:13.589 --> 00:32:20.359 It's getting insane because it's a way of it's a 499 00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:25.359 technique in a certain sense and many of my listeners 500 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.559 will recognize it as a very old one. It's a 501 00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:33.220 kind of Gnosticism. It's making believe that you can alter 502 00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.650 reality simply by pronouncing a magic formula. Oh, I'm a 503 00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:41.589 boy today. I'm a girl today or whatever. And what 504 00:32:41.930 --> 00:32:44.970 it's designed to do in the long run is so 505 00:32:45.109 --> 00:32:49.470 unhinge you from reality that you can no longer make 506 00:32:50.170 --> 00:32:55.549 any rational decision because you're not capable anymore of rational 507 00:32:55.650 --> 00:33:01.690 analysis of what's going on because they're changing. Again, it's 508 00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:05.089 the process. The more they can accelerate the process, the 509 00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:09.210 more confused they make people. And you cannot react quickly 510 00:33:09.269 --> 00:33:13.359 enough to their changes. So it's another way of, in 511 00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:16.799 my opinion, just making people passive and irrational. 512 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:22.490 Do you think that some sort of Uprising is the 513 00:33:22.650 --> 00:33:26.190 only answer to this that we, you know, people taking 514 00:33:26.250 --> 00:33:30.529 up arms and charging the Capitol. You know, what do 515 00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.809 you think could be the

possible answer to this? 516 00:33:33.670 --> 00:33:39.599 Well, I think, you know, I think that they are 517 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.180 playing with fire. Let's put it that way. Because I 518 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.980 think that they are ratcheting up frustration so bad. And 519 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.700 they may be doing it deliberately or not. I don't know. 520 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:58.980 But eventually in these kinds of systems where you're running 521 00:33:59.059 --> 00:34:01.640 things in a way that is utterly out of touch 522 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.900 with reality, inevitably the normal people just have had enough 523 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.559 and they will fight back at some point. But this 524 00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:16.619 is the problem. And I've warned everybody I talk to 525 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.250 about this. Whenever you throw those kinds of dice, the 526 00:34:22.289 --> 00:34:26.150 best laid plans go right out the window almost immediately. 527 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.260 You know, think of Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union 528 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.719 in 1941. It was a well-worked out plan. The logistical 529 00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:43.309 part of the plan was calculated precisely. And they were 530 00:34:43.570 --> 00:34:47.429 almost victims of their own success in the way. So 531 00:34:47.469 --> 00:34:50.230 that Hitler thought he could fundamentally modify the plan and 532 00:34:50.250 --> 00:34:54.239 therefore the logistical supply support for the plan at the 533 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.340 drop of a hat and change it up completely. And 534 00:34:57.699 --> 00:35:01.380 of course, the result was a mess, you know, and 535 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.059 thankfully it was a mess. But, you know, anytime you 536 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:12.960 start talking those kinds of dice, lockdowns, martial law, civil 537 00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:21.320 war revolutions. No plan survives contact with the enemy. So, Mr. Globaloni, 538 00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:29.860 think twice. All you militia types, think twice. Because it 539 00:35:29.900 --> 00:35:31.679 can get out of hand real fast. 540 00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:36.659 Yeah, yeah. I think it's going to be a very 541 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.500 interesting future, to say the least, the next few years 542 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:44.219 to see what plays out. Now, there's another aspect to 543 00:35:44.260 --> 00:35:46.719 this that I try to wrap my head around, and 544 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.050 it's the whole occult aspect to it. And it's become 545 00:35:50.429 --> 00:35:54.530 more evident over the past few years. And I argue 546 00:35:54.550 --> 00:35:58.670 with researchers over, do they really believe in this stuff, 547 00:35:58.730 --> 00:36:02.090 or is this just a form of culture creation, or 548 00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:06.369 are they actually really doing rituals? I know the sex 549 00:36:06.409 --> 00:36:12.030 trafficking and satanic– sex rituals. I know that's real, but 550 00:36:12.250 --> 00:36:14.309 these are the people at the top, at the very top. 551 00:36:14.329 --> 00:36:17.179 Do they really believe in this stuff? Are they really 552 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.739 performing these rituals and doing this occult stuff? Because we 553 00:36:20.780 --> 00:36:23.920 see on TV, on Netflix, especially the past few years, 554 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:29.110 we've had a massive outbreak of occult and witchcraft and 555 00:36:29.409 --> 00:36:34.090 Satanism normalization and all these shows coming out lately. And 556 00:36:34.130 --> 00:36:36.769 it's been a pretty obvious agenda that they're trying to 557 00:36:37.389 --> 00:36:40.409 normalize the occult But my question is why? 558 00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:45.429 Well, the simple answer is that they're afraid of Christ. 559 00:36:47.030 --> 00:36:51.780 The complex answer is that I think that many of 560 00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:57.659 them start out thinking that this is all just kind 561 00:36:57.699 --> 00:37:00.420 of hokum and they're going along with it because it's 562 00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:03.760 the trendy thing to do and these other powerful people 563 00:37:03.820 --> 00:37:06.369 are into all of this bizarre stuff. So, you know, 564 00:37:06.409 --> 00:37:09.659 to be part of the set, But I do think 565 00:37:10.219 --> 00:37:20.789 at the top of the power pyramid, and we have 566 00:37:20.829 --> 00:37:24.530 to qualify that, that the top of the power pyramid 567 00:37:24.829 --> 00:37:31.219 is the middle managers of the whole picture. But at 568 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:34.920 the top of the power pyramid, humanly speaking, I think 569 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:40.519 that there is a very narrow circle of people that 570 00:37:41.300 --> 00:37:48.000 absolutely believe it and they believe it because in a 571 00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:53.739 certain sense their magic works and they've seen it work 572 00:37:55.710 --> 00:38:02.610 um this is this is something i think that At 573 00:38:02.650 --> 00:38:06.320 least my own studies have convinced me of that there's 574 00:38:06.409 --> 00:38:12.440 always a certain kind of occult elite somewhere in operation. 575 00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:20.559 A good for example for your listeners is to get 576 00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:25.940 a hold of two books on the Franklin scandal that 577 00:38:26.300 --> 00:38:29.710 rocked the first shrub White House back in the late 1980s. 578 00:38:33.150 --> 00:38:37.590 This was a scandal that erupted in Omaha around the 579 00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:40.170 Franklin Savings and Loan Credit Bureau. 580 00:38:41.750 --> 00:38:42.050 And it. 581 00:38:44.510 --> 00:38:49.679 Literally did involve children and adolescents that were introduced into 582 00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:54.519 kind of a sex magic slavery circle that once you 583 00:38:54.539 --> 00:39:00.880 get into it was definitely nationwide. there's two books about it. 584 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.900

One is by a senator, an attorney for the state 585 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.059 of Nebraska that actually was part of the state's investigation 586 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.309 of it. And the other is a book by Nick 587 00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:13.750 Bryant that I can't remember the titles to either of 588 00:39:13.809 --> 00:39:16.409 these two books. One is called The Franklin Cover-Up and 589 00:39:16.469 --> 00:39:20.650 Brian's book is something else. But when you read the affidavits, 590 00:39:20.909 --> 00:39:23.329 what I'm getting at here, when you read the affidavits 591 00:39:23.369 --> 00:39:25.449 of the people that were involved in that scandal, it 592 00:39:25.489 --> 00:39:29.530 was very clear that they were dealing with people that 593 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:36.420 practiced these rituals that practiced human sacrifice and that genuinely 594 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.980 believed that these practices gave them some sort of power 595 00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:45.760 and you know the leader of this outfit was was 596 00:39:45.820 --> 00:39:51.409 a powerful and rich man so There's something to it. 597 00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:56.210 And as far as I'm concerned, that Franklin scandal is 598 00:39:56.269 --> 00:40:01.340 just the tip of the iceberg. We've had many, many 599 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.079 scandals that I think are interconnected if you want to 600 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.360 look at them a certain way. 601 00:40:09.099 --> 00:40:14.840 Yeah, definitely. And do you think that once you reach 602 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.010 a certain level of of power say in politics or 603 00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:23.789 I mean you know you hear about actors and movie 604 00:40:23.809 --> 00:40:27.150 stars having to you know go through certain initiations but 605 00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:29.769 I'm talking about really high level politicians or even you 606 00:40:30.250 --> 00:40:32.670 know businessmen do you think that once you reach a 607 00:40:32.710 --> 00:40:37.710 certain level that there is inevitable compromisation that you're going 608 00:40:37.750 --> 00:40:41.369 to be introduced to something that you're going to have 609 00:40:41.409 --> 00:40:43.949 to make a decision whether you want to participate in. 610 00:40:44.550 --> 00:40:49.110 Yes I do I do Uh, one of my friends, 611 00:40:49.190 --> 00:40:55.380 Catherine Austin Fitz, um, talks a lot about control files 612 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.800 on politicians and this, you know, this is an old 613 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.460 intelligence agency playbook. You know, this goes back to, uh, 614 00:41:04.210 --> 00:41:06.769 the early days of the Cheka and the Soviet union. 615 00:41:07.110 --> 00:41:09.789 It goes back to the early days of the Gestapo 616 00:41:09.869 --> 00:41:16.010 and the third Reich, um, Where you would deliberately set 617 00:41:16.090 --> 00:41:21.050 up situations where a politician would be compromised in some way, 618 00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:25.250

usually a sexual situation, but not always. And, you know, 619 00:41:25.329 --> 00:41:28.690 record it and then say, oh, we've got this on you, cooperate, 620 00:41:28.809 --> 00:41:31.750 you know, when this vote comes up and so on 621 00:41:31.769 --> 00:41:39.630 and so forth. Another example. The name John Roberts appears 622 00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:44.760 in the flight logs of Jeffrey Epstein. Now, we don't 623 00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:49.079 know if that's the Supreme Court justice or not. But 624 00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:52.000 what we do know was in the crucial Supreme Court 625 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:57.179 vote on Obamacare, at the last minute, he apparently flipped 626 00:41:57.219 --> 00:42:01.489 his vote. So in other words, this would be a 627 00:42:01.570 --> 00:42:06.849 perfect way to exercise that kind of influence if that story, 628 00:42:07.969 --> 00:42:10.730 those two events are connected, and if that's the John 629 00:42:10.809 --> 00:42:15.000 Roberts and Epstein's book. Well, I can't imagine... epstein hobnobbing 630 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:19.480 with any other john roberts you know yeah so on 631 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.579 and on this goes so yeah i do think that 632 00:42:22.699 --> 00:42:25.800 some of these people enter into situations and you know 633 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.179 all of a sudden they're for whatever reason they're compromised 634 00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:35.199 they've got some control file on them um another classic 635 00:42:35.260 --> 00:42:38.480 example for me is i've always suspected there's something going 636 00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:41.239 on with senator mccain and on and on we go 637 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:46.769 we could go um It's just– it's sad, but it's 638 00:42:46.849 --> 00:42:48.389 the way the swamp operates. 639 00:42:49.610 --> 00:42:54.280 Yeah, that is– that's pretty much my analysis as well. 640 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:56.480 Now we have a few minutes left. I want to 641 00:42:56.500 --> 00:43:00.199 get to some of the UFO mania that's been happening lately. 642 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.829 In the past few years, we've had the Umama– I 643 00:43:05.869 --> 00:43:10.989 always mispronounce that thing. Oumuamua. Oumuamua. There it is, the 644 00:43:11.309 --> 00:43:12.750 supposed alien space probe. 645 00:43:12.769 --> 00:43:15.650 I have trouble with it too. I don't know anybody 646 00:43:15.690 --> 00:43:16.130 who doesn't. 647 00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:19.949 Yes, Oumuamua. And then we had the Tic Tac. Then 648 00:43:20.329 --> 00:43:22.380 last year, or was it earlier this year, I think 649 00:43:22.409 --> 00:43:25.239 we had the Israeli space security chief talking about the 650 00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:30.179 Galactic Federation. Avi Loeb says the Oumuamua was a probe. 651 00:43:31.059 --> 00:43:34.360 Trump slipping in UFO contingent into the COVID bill. It 652 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.050 goes on and on with the UFO stuff the past 653 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:41.590 few years.

And I'm wondering, again, why is it now? 654 00:43:42.570 --> 00:43:47.570 Is this another preparation? Is it another PSYOP? Or are 655 00:43:47.610 --> 00:43:51.329 we going to find out something that's inevitable? I'd like 656 00:43:51.349 --> 00:43:52.309 to get your thoughts on this. 657 00:43:52.929 --> 00:43:56.750 Well, part of me says yes and part of me 658 00:43:56.789 --> 00:44:00.699 says no. Because I've been, like I mentioned when we 659 00:44:00.739 --> 00:44:04.820 started the talk, I became interested in the subject of 660 00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:09.059 UFOs as a boy. And I've been hearing this talk 661 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:15.199 of imminent disclosure and so on. Right now, what's happening 662 00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:19.449 in the ufology field is all of this hoopla over 663 00:44:19.489 --> 00:44:21.829 the fact that the New York Times is reporting on 664 00:44:21.869 --> 00:44:27.159 these UFO events and not poo-pooing them. Well, this is 665 00:44:27.260 --> 00:44:31.269 not new, folks. The New York Times has reported on 666 00:44:31.429 --> 00:44:36.909 UFOs and not poo-pooed them going back to the 1970s. 667 00:44:36.949 --> 00:44:41.800 This is not new. So, okay, forget about the hysteria 668 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.019 for a moment. It's not new. Would the government deliberately 669 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:50.389 leak things in order to prep a narrative? Of course 670 00:44:50.469 --> 00:44:55.469 it would. My suspicion is, however, that yes, there has 671 00:44:55.570 --> 00:45:03.949 been an uptick in several stories for one reason. And 672 00:45:03.989 --> 00:45:07.530 that is now, in the last decade or so, what 673 00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:10.320 you're seeing, Chris, is you're seeing all of these stories 674 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:16.000 about going out and commercializing space, mining asteroids, setting up 675 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.099 bases on the moon. Well, here's the problem, folks, as 676 00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:22.239 I've pointed out over and over again. If you're going 677 00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:26.219 to go mine stuff on the moon or mine an asteroid, 678 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:33.559 chemical rockets are not going to be sufficient for the job. 679 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.300 You're going to have to have alternative means of propulsion. 680 00:45:40.369 --> 00:45:43.730 And those alternative means of propulsion are likely to be 681 00:45:43.829 --> 00:45:49.119 rather exotic. So to me, you're planning on going out 682 00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:56.590 and commercializing space here's another problem if there is somebody 683 00:45:56.750 --> 00:46:00.469 out there are we stepping on their toes are we 684 00:46:00.590 --> 00:46:06.030 getting involved in their their business and again i suspect 685 00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:10.920 the answer to that is yes hence and i've said 686 00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:14.900 this before hence the reason that we have always put 687 00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:19.329 on our space probe plaques little Announcements like we're coming 688 00:46:19.369 --> 00:46:22.590 in peace for all mankind. Well, who are we making 689 00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:28.289 that announcement to and why? Okay. So, yeah, I suspect 690 00:46:28.329 --> 00:46:33.579 they're prepping a narrative. Could they could they fake such 691 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.820 an event? Sure, they could. Would they be capable of 692 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.360 faking such an event if it suited their purposes? Sure, 693 00:46:40.420 --> 00:46:47.989 they could. So, you know, I'm both skeptical and a 694 00:46:48.309 --> 00:46:52.429 jaundiced believer, if you want to put it that way, 695 00:46:53.130 --> 00:46:56.849 because I think Mr. Globaloni quite literally is capable of anything. 696 00:46:57.340 --> 00:46:59.800 These are narcissist psychopaths we're dealing with. 697 00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:02.500 Now, do you think that there are factions that actually 698 00:47:02.619 --> 00:47:07.599 have technology or reverse engineered technology that is capable of 699 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.079 doing this already? And, you know, is most of the 700 00:47:12.099 --> 00:47:14.460 stuff we see in the sky them if the answer 701 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:14.739 is yes? 702 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.659 I do think that we have technological secrets that probably 703 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:27.420 far exceed what we can imagine. Everything that I've run 704 00:47:27.460 --> 00:47:32.349 across in the literature says we do. My problem is 705 00:47:32.389 --> 00:47:37.570 an epistemological one. My problem is that every human advance 706 00:47:37.650 --> 00:47:41.269 or ingenuity of that nature has to be explained by 707 00:47:41.349 --> 00:47:47.079 crashed and retrieved vehicles. I make the joke that if 708 00:47:47.179 --> 00:47:51.619 this is what has been the root of all of 709 00:47:51.659 --> 00:47:56.250 this exotic technology that people speculate that humanity possesses, then 710 00:47:56.269 --> 00:47:58.269 pretty soon we're going to have to start crashing our 711 00:47:58.329 --> 00:48:00.409 stuff on E.T. 's home world so that they can 712 00:48:00.449 --> 00:48:03.369 catch back up with us. In other words, this is 713 00:48:03.409 --> 00:48:07.760 an explanation that goes nowhere. I prefer to look at 714 00:48:08.739 --> 00:48:12.480 what is in the scientific papers themselves and what are 715 00:48:12.539 --> 00:48:16.219 their implications. Well, when you look at things that way, 716 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.960 you can find some astonishing stuff going all the way 717 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.000 back to the period between the two world wars. And 718 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:28.510 this is humans talking about this stuff. And it's not 719 00:48:28.590 --> 00:48:32.409 reliant on this business, oh, the Nazis recovered a UFO 720 00:48:32.590 --> 00:48:35.789 or we recovered a UFO. Just look at the engineering 721 00:48:35.849 --> 00:48:39.710 papers and what some of

these scientists and technicians and 722 00:48:39.809 --> 00:48:45.090 engineers were up to. And extrapolate from there. And when 723 00:48:45.130 --> 00:48:46.869 you do, it's rather astonishing. 724 00:48:48.269 --> 00:48:50.710 Now, what do you think when it comes to the 725 00:48:50.869 --> 00:48:56.389 actual abduction phenomenon in people's accounts that are extremely similar? 726 00:48:56.449 --> 00:49:00.719 You know, the gray ETs with the big eyes being 727 00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:04.860 strapped to a table, having experiments done, possibly, you know, 728 00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:09.420 with fertility or eggs or DNA or something like that. 729 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.889 And all these people have similar accounts. Do you think 730 00:49:12.929 --> 00:49:17.239 that there is something to this, or is it maybe 731 00:49:17.300 --> 00:49:20.639 some kind of government black project? Or do you think 732 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.579 that people are really being taken by something that's off 733 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:24.099 this planet? 734 00:49:24.940 --> 00:49:29.619 Well, let's put it this way. Number one, I don't 735 00:49:30.219 --> 00:49:36.550 disbelieve abductees. Number two, could they be taken by people 736 00:49:36.699 --> 00:49:40.909 off this planet? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But number three, let's 737 00:49:40.949 --> 00:49:48.199 look at the greys. To me, the greys, if they exist, 738 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:58.260 would be a much more appropriate response to conditions where 739 00:49:58.300 --> 00:50:02.079 people are living underground all the time. So in other words, 740 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:04.780 are we really looking at people off this world or 741 00:50:04.820 --> 00:50:08.070 are we looking at creatures from right here? I don't know. 742 00:50:09.260 --> 00:50:12.780 are we looking at military psyops of some sort? Again, 743 00:50:12.820 --> 00:50:18.840 there's evidence for that. And most peculiarly, Dr. Vallée, Jacques Vallée, 744 00:50:19.659 --> 00:50:22.119 Passport to Magonia, I think was the book where he 745 00:50:22.219 --> 00:50:26.929 outlined this hypothesis. He just compared a bunch of abduction stories, 746 00:50:27.030 --> 00:50:29.469 just accepted them at face value for what they were, 747 00:50:30.130 --> 00:50:33.349 with all of those stories from the Middle Ages of 748 00:50:33.510 --> 00:50:38.449 incubuses and succubuses and middle-of-the-night abductions and you know, weird 749 00:50:38.510 --> 00:50:41.630 sexual experiments and so on and so forth. So in 750 00:50:41.650 --> 00:50:44.250 other words, even that part of the narrative is not 751 00:50:44.289 --> 00:50:47.860 really that new. So what are we looking at? I 752 00:50:47.889 --> 00:50:51.159 don't know. I do suspect the one thing that I 753 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:55.840 am very suspicious of is that, that when you look 754 00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:02.909 at the stories of mythology from, you know, the Chimalpopoca 755 00:51:02.969 --> 00:51:09.179 of the Aztecs to the Popol Vuh and, the Vedic literature, 756 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:14.230 the Bible, the Babylonian texts, and so on, they all 757 00:51:14.349 --> 00:51:19.650 seem to indicate that somebody was here long ago doing something, 758 00:51:19.670 --> 00:51:23.050 you know. And the odd thing is they look like 759 00:51:23.190 --> 00:51:26.150 us in many instances, talk like us, you know, and 760 00:51:26.190 --> 00:51:28.389 so on and so forth. And in some cases they don't. 761 00:51:29.550 --> 00:51:32.260 So I look at it that we're looking at a 762 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.099 phenomenon with abduction that may be very, very old. and 763 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.280 that has been going on for a very long time. 764 00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.860 And what about the possibility that there is other realities 765 00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:49.079 just beyond the spectrum of our vision with life, you know, 766 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:54.030 living organisms all teeming around us at all times, you know, 767 00:51:54.130 --> 00:51:57.929 intelligent entities that we could communicate with under certain circumstances, 768 00:51:57.989 --> 00:51:59.929 and they have the ability to phase in and out 769 00:51:59.969 --> 00:52:01.030 of our reality? 770 00:52:01.090 --> 00:52:03.590 Oh, I don't have any difficulty with that at all. 771 00:52:03.650 --> 00:52:06.849 I mean, read the descriptions of angels in the Bible. 772 00:52:07.849 --> 00:52:12.429 Clearly you're dealing with something that materializes or can take 773 00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:16.079 on a physical manifestation. You've got similar traditions in Islam. 774 00:52:16.099 --> 00:52:20.000 You've got all of those traditions in Judaism. You've got 775 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:25.449 the Vedas. Pretty much every old tradition on the planet 776 00:52:25.550 --> 00:52:27.929 has some version of this. I don't have any problem 777 00:52:27.969 --> 00:52:34.190 with it. And let's go a little bit further. The Egyptians, 778 00:52:34.409 --> 00:52:40.070 of course, had the idea that stars were somehow alive. 779 00:52:40.150 --> 00:52:44.989 They were kind of a meta life. Well, in the 50s, 780 00:52:45.030 --> 00:52:47.699 there was a famous plasma physicist by the name of 781 00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:53.079 David Bohm, very well-known man in standard physics. This was 782 00:52:53.139 --> 00:52:58.119 his bag, plasma physics. And he suddenly quit all of 783 00:52:58.179 --> 00:53:04.179 his plasma experiments because he had concluded that plasmas, you know, 784 00:53:04.219 --> 00:53:06.320 the sun is what it's a big ball of plasma, 785 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.380 you know, lightning during a thunderstorm, you know, it's nothing 786 00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:14.250 but a plasma. Well, he had come to the conclusion 787 00:53:15.389 --> 00:53:19.489 that plasma is exhibited four out of the five signs 788 00:53:19.570 --> 00:53:22.989 of life, including the ability to self-organize, you

know, so 789 00:53:23.030 --> 00:53:25.269 all of a sudden he just quit because he didn't 790 00:53:25.289 --> 00:53:28.210 want to be playing around with this stuff anymore because 791 00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:33.610 we don't really know what we're doing. So, yeah, you know, I, uh, 792 00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:40.639 I have no problem believing in non-corporeal immaterial life forms. 793 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.250 I have no problem believing that there may be life 794 00:53:43.309 --> 00:53:48.050 forms that inhabit parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that human 795 00:53:48.250 --> 00:53:52.969 eyes cannot see. If you have a pet animal, you know, 796 00:53:53.090 --> 00:53:57.079 cats or dogs, even sometimes birds, you know, they'll react 797 00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:00.119 to things that, you know, you wonder what the name 798 00:54:00.139 --> 00:54:01.380 of sense are they reacting. 799 00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:03.489 I was looking at my cat earlier and wondering what 800 00:54:03.510 --> 00:54:04.360 the hell are you looking at? 801 00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:12.610 Yeah, exactly. So who knows? I just, the bottom line 802 00:54:12.630 --> 00:54:14.610 for me, Chris, is I just don't believe in this 803 00:54:14.690 --> 00:54:21.230 nice Cartesian Newtonian mechanized universe that is all material. You know, 804 00:54:21.269 --> 00:54:24.150 I'm not a materialist. I'll just say it right up front. 805 00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:26.489 I'm not a materialist in terms of my philosophy. 806 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.280 Yeah, I would definitely have to agree with that. And, Dr. Farrell, 807 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:33.500 there is so much stuff we could talk about. This 808 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.630 has been a fascinating conversation. I'd love to have you 809 00:54:36.670 --> 00:54:38.630 back on in the future to discuss some more topics. 810 00:54:39.429 --> 00:54:41.570 Sure, that's fine. That's awesome. Just let me know when. 811 00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:42.469 Just send me an email. 812 00:54:42.969 --> 00:54:47.449 I will, definitely. And, yes, that was fascinating stuff. And 813 00:54:47.469 --> 00:54:51.480 until next time, everyone else, have an excellent evening. Thank you, Dr. 814 00:54:51.500 --> 00:54:53.599 Farrell. Thank you for having me on, Chris. 815 00:55:00.690 --> 00:55:03.230 Today I want to welcome back to the show Anthony Peek. 816 00:55:03.610 --> 00:55:08.190 He is a best-selling author, lecturer, broadcaster, and leading thinker 817 00:55:08.269 --> 00:55:13.670 in the area of consciousness studies. His ideas apply scientific 818 00:55:13.750 --> 00:55:18.380 reasoning to some of the greatest mysteries of the universe. Anthony, 819 00:55:18.429 --> 00:55:19.860 welcome back. How are you doing? 820 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:21.639 I'm doing well, Chris. 821 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.019 How about you? I'm doing amazing. Thank you so much 822 00:55:24.059 --> 00:55:26.989 for coming back on. Today we're going to be discussing 823 00:55:27.030 --> 00:55:32.730 your book, Near-Death Experiences, the science, psychology, and anthropology behind 824 00:55:32.789 --> 00:55:36.460 the phenomena. And I'm really looking forward to sharing this information. 825 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.360 Not only does your work resonate highly with my understandings, 826 00:55:41.500 --> 00:55:46.400 but I'm fascinated by people's near-death experiences, the accounts, and 827 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:51.090 the implications for the nature of reality. Before we get 828 00:55:51.190 --> 00:55:53.590 too deep, It's been a while since you've been on. 829 00:55:53.869 --> 00:55:56.829 Remind the audience just a little bit about yourself and 830 00:55:56.869 --> 00:55:58.769 let them know how they can find out more about you. 831 00:56:00.409 --> 00:56:01.210 Yeah, okay. 832 00:56:01.329 --> 00:56:04.969 The name is Anthony Peake. I'm a UK-based author, now 833 00:56:05.010 --> 00:56:10.139 written 13 books, numerous articles, a number of peer-reviewed academic 834 00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:13.860 papers on the subject matter I talk about. In terms 835 00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:17.829 of background and education, I have a uh, double honors 836 00:56:17.849 --> 00:56:20.010 degree at the university of Warwick here in the UK. 837 00:56:20.050 --> 00:56:22.289 And I did postgraduate at the London school of economics 838 00:56:22.869 --> 00:56:27.719 where I specialized in economics and psychology, um, been interested 839 00:56:28.019 --> 00:56:32.599 in unusual human experiences ever since my days that, well, 840 00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:36.739 ever since the mid 1960s really, um, and chose my 841 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.550 subject matter quite carefully because I'm very much interested in 842 00:56:39.590 --> 00:56:43.719 the sociology of belief, the sociology of religion. Um, But 843 00:56:43.820 --> 00:56:47.880 also I'm very interested in the scientific applications of trying 844 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:53.239 to explain extraordinary phenomenon using science, which has been my philosophy. 845 00:56:53.300 --> 00:56:55.719 So over the years, I've very much focused in on 846 00:56:55.800 --> 00:57:01.519 near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences, déjà vu, precognition, these type of things. 847 00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:05.320 And if anybody wants to contact me as well, I'm 848 00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:08.340 very active on Facebook. I have my own YouTube channel, 849 00:57:08.380 --> 00:57:11.409 but you can search by just finding Anthony Peake. I 850 00:57:11.449 --> 00:57:14.429 also have my own website, which is anthonypeake.com. And you 851 00:57:14.449 --> 00:57:16.349 can also find me on Instagram as well. 852 00:57:16.929 --> 00:57:17.210 Oh, yes. 853 00:57:17.269 --> 00:57:22.489 And all my books are available by basically even ordering 854 00:57:22.530 --> 00:57:26.699 it from your local library in that I'm not vanity 855 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.940 published or I'm not self-published. I'm

actually a proper author 856 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.360 in raised commas in the sense that publishers actually pay 857 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.909 me in advance to write books for them. which means 858 00:57:36.949 --> 00:57:40.050 that my books get everywhere. And also, if you're interested, 859 00:57:40.110 --> 00:57:42.710 my books are in various foreign language editions as well. 860 00:57:43.050 --> 00:57:46.369 You'll also get them on Kindle and on Audible, which 861 00:57:46.489 --> 00:57:48.690 I had to audition to read my own books as 862 00:57:48.730 --> 00:57:51.289 well on that as well. So the books are out there. 863 00:57:51.329 --> 00:57:52.969 If you want to buy them, that's fine. If you 864 00:57:52.989 --> 00:57:55.070 want to actually order them from the library, I don't mind. 865 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:56.880 It's getting the ideas out there that's important. 866 00:57:56.900 --> 00:58:00.260 Excellent. I'll have those links easily accessible for everyone in 867 00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:03.260 description so they can check those out as we speak. 868 00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:06.949 What was it in particular that brought you to write 869 00:58:07.010 --> 00:58:07.590 this book? 870 00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:13.880 Well, because near-death experiences have been a central part of 871 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:18.119 my writings over the last 21 years or so, probably 872 00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:22.010 slightly longer now. And it's the near-death experience, I think, 873 00:58:22.130 --> 00:58:26.989 that really encapsulates so many areas of my own developing 874 00:58:27.050 --> 00:58:29.929 hypothesis about the nature of reality and the interface between 875 00:58:29.989 --> 00:58:35.659 consciousness and whatever external reality is. um in that it 876 00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:39.110 involves many of the factors of my own cheating the 877 00:58:39.139 --> 00:58:42.389 ferryman hypothesis which we may touch upon as we progress 878 00:58:42.429 --> 00:58:48.170 through the discussion but effectively what happens to human consciousness 879 00:58:48.190 --> 00:58:51.510 at the point of death i think is probably singularly 880 00:58:51.570 --> 00:58:57.670 the most important question any sentient any sentient being is 881 00:58:57.710 --> 00:59:00.829 interested in we all know we're mortal as one of 882 00:59:00.869 --> 00:59:04.239 the famous statements many years ago, there's only two inevitabilities 883 00:59:04.300 --> 00:59:09.010 in life, tax and death. And we certainly understand tax 884 00:59:09.030 --> 00:59:11.480 to a great degree, but we don't necessarily understand what 885 00:59:11.539 --> 00:59:15.719 is taking place when we die. And although I've touched 886 00:59:15.780 --> 00:59:19.079 upon near-death experiences many, many times in my writings, I 887 00:59:19.179 --> 00:59:23.900 really wanted to focus in a book exclusively on near-death experiences. 888 00:59:24.579 --> 00:59:28.500 So what I gave myself the task to do was

889 00:59:28.539 --> 00:59:32.659 to read virtually every single academic paper that had been 890 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:36.559 written on near-death experiences over the last 40 years, 50 years, 891 00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:41.119 and talk to as many experiences as I could, and 892 00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.340 also really check out the latest research that's been done 893 00:59:44.380 --> 00:59:47.739 in the area of near-death experiences. So in my latest book, 894 00:59:47.780 --> 00:59:52.539 you will find a review of near-death experiences, probably unique 895 00:59:53.179 --> 00:59:57.070 in the writings on the subject thus far, because I 896 00:59:57.130 --> 01:00:01.019 very much take scientific rational approach to it i you 897 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.940 if you want a book on gee whiz it happened 898 01:00:03.980 --> 01:00:06.559 to me and i saw jesus in a cloud that 899 01:00:06.739 --> 01:00:09.159 my book is not for you my book will be 900 01:00:09.219 --> 01:00:13.349 telling you in great detail what happens neurologically within the 901 01:00:13.389 --> 01:00:15.989 brain at the point of death the neurochemicals that release 902 01:00:16.030 --> 01:00:18.789 these kind of things it is not an easy read 903 01:00:19.369 --> 01:00:21.710 but it is an important read but if you want 904 01:00:21.750 --> 01:00:23.889 the books where just people tell you there are wonderful 905 01:00:23.949 --> 01:00:27.679 stories about floating in heaven and lord knows what else 906 01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:31.019 There are other books for that. But if you want 907 01:00:31.139 --> 01:00:34.400 real answers and issues that you can take to the skeptics, 908 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.639 my book is fairly important for you, I think. 909 01:00:37.739 --> 01:00:42.900 Within the realm of scientific aspects of near-death experiences, what 910 01:00:42.940 --> 01:00:45.300 did you really focus on in the book? Give us 911 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.119 a synopsis. 912 01:00:48.090 --> 01:00:53.789 Okay, well, basically, I'm fascinated by the evidence that's now 913 01:00:53.829 --> 01:00:57.949 being discovered about regarding the neurological and neurochemical aspects of 914 01:00:58.010 --> 01:01:02.170 near-death experiences. And in that, I've been working closely with 915 01:01:02.210 --> 01:01:05.829 a number of academics. And in fact, I was delighted 916 01:01:06.030 --> 01:01:13.119 when a young neuroscientist by the name of Pascal Michael, Dr. 917 01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:16.380 Pascal Michael, actually approached me wanting to write the foreword 918 01:01:16.420 --> 01:01:19.059 to this book because that was of great importance to 919 01:01:19.099 --> 01:01:22.050 me because Pascal and the people he works with at 920 01:01:22.110 --> 01:01:25.320 the moment are doing some phenomenal work. in terms of 921 01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:31.630 really understanding the relationship not only between near-death experiences and 922 01:01:31.829 --> 01:01:36.750 brain processes, but also the similarities between near-death experiences and 923 01:01:36.829 --> 01:01:42.750 experiences within theogens such as 5-MeO-DMT and dimethyltryptamine. And there 924 01:01:42.789 --> 01:01:46.130 are clear parallels to be taken there. But also I'm 925 01:01:46.170 --> 01:01:50.300 interested in some of the amazing discoveries that have been 926 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:56.079 made over recent years regarding literally being able to scan 927 01:01:56.139 --> 01:01:59.420 the brain of a dying person and the results they 928 01:01:59.460 --> 01:02:01.780 found from this. And there's been a series of about 929 01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.619 four or five really interesting academic papers that have been 930 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.739 written over the years. And indeed, one of them is 931 01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:14.000 now all over social media. There's an effect of a 932 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:17.679 guy who, a Canadian guy that was living in Southern 933 01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:25.960 Germany in 2022. And he was 85 years of age, 934 01:02:26.139 --> 01:02:28.019 maybe slightly older than that. And he fell off a 935 01:02:28.059 --> 01:02:30.539 ladder while he was decorating his house and he was 936 01:02:30.579 --> 01:02:34.219 rushed to hospital. And while he was in the hospital, 937 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:38.869 he went into a series of epileptic seizures, what's called 938 01:02:38.889 --> 01:02:42.710 status epilepticus. And they decided they needed to scan his 939 01:02:42.750 --> 01:02:44.750 brain to see what was going on. And while they 940 01:02:44.789 --> 01:02:50.150 were scanning his brain using very high technology equipment, he died. 941 01:02:51.710 --> 01:02:54.909 So for the first time ever, there was a scenario 942 01:02:54.969 --> 01:03:00.090 whereby a human being's brain was being scanned as they died. 943 01:03:00.829 --> 01:03:03.750 Because of course, ethically, you could never actually do that 944 01:03:03.929 --> 01:03:06.250 because you'd never get anybody to volunteer to be the 945 01:03:06.289 --> 01:03:09.639 subject in the start off. But effectively what was discovered 946 01:03:10.570 --> 01:03:11.880 was absolutely sensational. 947 01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:13.260 Unbelievable. 948 01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:17.019 In fact, because the, it was shown that the guy's 949 01:03:17.099 --> 01:03:21.900 brain effectively immediately after he died, When there should have 950 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.239 been no brain activity at all because he was brain dead. 951 01:03:25.539 --> 01:03:28.039 And in the book, I discuss in great detail what 952 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:29.099 we mean when we say. 953 01:03:29.019 --> 01:03:32.949 Somebody is dead. Because it's profoundly. 954 01:03:32.510 --> 01:03:35.070 Important if we're talking about near-death experiences that we define 955 01:03:35.170 --> 01:03:38.269 exactly what we mean by life and death. But effectively, 956 01:03:38.409 --> 01:03:43.130 he had died.

And a few seconds afterwards, there was 957 01:03:43.170 --> 01:03:47.320 a massive amount of brain activity. The brain suddenly started 958 01:03:47.659 --> 01:03:51.800 huge amount of activity in a dead brain. Now, the 959 01:03:51.949 --> 01:03:56.079 reviewers have taken this as evidence of the near-death experience. 960 01:03:56.539 --> 01:03:59.039 You know, for the first time, we have proof that 961 01:03:59.059 --> 01:04:03.519 there is brain activity post-mortem. And the question is, what 962 01:04:03.579 --> 01:04:06.409 is that brain activity? What is that brain activity doing? 963 01:04:07.130 --> 01:04:11.570 And indeed, more importantly, if there is brain activity, is 964 01:04:11.610 --> 01:04:15.230 there consciousness there? And if there is consciousness there, the only... 965 01:04:15.570 --> 01:04:18.239 What is the... You know, in other words, brain activity... 966 01:04:18.489 --> 01:04:20.750 A lot of it is autonomic. A lot of it 967 01:04:20.789 --> 01:04:23.730 we're not aware of as it's happening. But effectively, the 968 01:04:23.750 --> 01:04:25.789 brain activity in the areas of the brain that lit 969 01:04:25.849 --> 01:04:28.989 up in this particular case were very much the visual 970 01:04:29.050 --> 01:04:32.489 systems and the processing systems and the higher order systems 971 01:04:32.510 --> 01:04:38.719 within the brain, which was suggesting that consciousness was something 972 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.739 was being projected into consciousness. Now, I'd argue that was 973 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.360 the panoramic life review, which we can touch on later. 974 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:47.380 But clearly, this is extraordinary. 975 01:04:48.190 --> 01:04:53.030 And this case is not alone. There's a guy called 976 01:04:53.070 --> 01:04:57.019 Lakmia Chalwa that has been doing work in the United States, 977 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.940 in Washington, over the years, where he has been experimenting 978 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.579 with mammals and with chimpanzees and monkeys and everything else. 979 01:05:06.139 --> 01:05:10.940 And they found the same things. And they discovered, for instance, 980 01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:15.079 there was one case, again, there was a guy called 981 01:05:15.099 --> 01:05:21.139 Pierpaolo Panni, who in 2018 managed to get exactly the 982 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.599 same things that the Vicenti case, which is the one 983 01:05:24.619 --> 01:05:28.050 I'm talking about from 2022, they found with a macaque monkey. 984 01:05:29.550 --> 01:05:32.530 They euthanized a macaque monkey. And again, there was this 985 01:05:32.849 --> 01:05:36.670 massive increase of certain types of brainwaves in the brain, 986 01:05:36.750 --> 01:05:39.630 gamma waves. And gamma waves are known for being the 987 01:05:39.750 --> 01:05:43.329 higher level. You know, they're equivalent of dreams. So it's 988 01:05:43.369 --> 01:05:46.019 as if we die in a dream state. So this 989 01:05:46.099 --> 01:05:48.320 is really interesting, and there's a couple of other experiments 990 01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:50.340 I'd like to focus in on if we get the 991 01:05:50.409 --> 01:05:53.349 time later on, which reinforce. 992 01:05:52.550 --> 01:05:53.190 This as well. 993 01:05:53.889 --> 01:05:56.050 But we're in a very interesting time here at the 994 01:05:56.090 --> 01:05:57.650 moment as regards near-death experiences. 995 01:05:57.710 --> 01:06:03.130 You mentioned earlier the importance of establishing a clear definition 996 01:06:03.369 --> 01:06:06.920 of death. Maybe we should do that before we go 997 01:06:07.099 --> 01:06:10.380 any further for the audience. How would you define death? 998 01:06:12.710 --> 01:06:13.650 Well, this is the thing. 999 01:06:13.710 --> 01:06:15.190 There has been, and in the book I have a 1000 01:06:15.250 --> 01:06:21.010 whole section on this, that over the years, particularly after 1967, 1001 01:06:21.010 --> 01:06:27.119 when the very first heart transplant took place in South Africa, 1002 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:32.260 a guy called Louis Wachanski was given a heart by 1003 01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:37.860 a neurosurgeon called Christian Barnard. Now, this suddenly opened up 1004 01:06:37.900 --> 01:06:40.760 a can of worms because suddenly we were in the 1005 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:47.449 position that we could By harvesting organs from somebody, we 1006 01:06:47.469 --> 01:06:51.849 could allow somebody else to survive. But of course, you 1007 01:06:51.889 --> 01:06:57.090 have to have basically a living person in order to 1008 01:06:57.130 --> 01:07:00.769 harvest their organs. For instance, you can't take a heart 1009 01:07:00.969 --> 01:07:03.550 out of a corpse because the heart has stopped beating. 1010 01:07:03.630 --> 01:07:06.820 The heart has already started to deteriorate very, very quickly. 1011 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.579 So the question then was, we need to understand what 1012 01:07:10.659 --> 01:07:14.159 is life and what is death far more accurately. And 1013 01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:18.619 there was a whole series of symposiums and discussions and 1014 01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:22.139 research done in the United States to define exactly what 1015 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.639 we mean when we talk about death. And this is 1016 01:07:24.699 --> 01:07:28.039 why we end up with the confusing terms of brain 1017 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:33.929 death and clinical death. People will turn around and say 1018 01:07:34.030 --> 01:07:37.690 that some people have had near-death experiences and they have 1019 01:07:37.769 --> 01:07:42.989 died and come back. Nobody has had brain death and 1020 01:07:43.050 --> 01:07:45.750 come back because by definition, you cannot come back from 1021 01:07:45.809 --> 01:07:48.889 brain death. It's when the brain has ceased function. It's 1022 01:07:48.989 --> 01:07:52.650 when there is no oxygen available in the brain. And 1023 01:07:52.670 --> 01:07:56.469 the thing is with

brain cells, they desperately need oxygen. 1024 01:07:56.630 --> 01:08:00.070 Brain cells cannot create their own energy. Other cells in 1025 01:08:00.110 --> 01:08:02.610 the body and other organs in the body can generate 1026 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:07.619 their own energy, whereas brain cells can't. So therefore they 1027 01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.980 need oxygen and no more than two or three minutes 1028 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.500 of loss of oxygen to the brain and the brain 1029 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.460 is irreparably damaged and there is no coming back from that. 1030 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:23.340 So the question then is at what point do we 1031 01:08:23.380 --> 01:08:27.119 decide what death is? Now, what is intriguing is different 1032 01:08:27.210 --> 01:08:32.260 states of the United States have different definitions of what 1033 01:08:32.409 --> 01:08:35.359 death is and what brain death is. Now, for instance, 1034 01:08:35.380 --> 01:08:37.760 there are certain things you can tell. For instance, there 1035 01:08:37.819 --> 01:08:40.140 is something to do with if you shine a light 1036 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.600 into the eye, the way the pupil expands or not. 1037 01:08:42.939 --> 01:08:45.319 If the pupil doesn't expand, it means the brain isn't 1038 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:51.090 functioning very effectively. What really matters is when the brainstem dies, 1039 01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:54.170 because then the body is really dead. The brainstem is 1040 01:08:54.189 --> 01:08:56.170 the area at the back of the brain, which is 1041 01:08:56.229 --> 01:08:58.729 effectively what people would call the reptilian brain. 1042 01:08:58.810 --> 01:08:59.409 It's the kind of. 1043 01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:03.659 the bits of the brain that makes us move makes 1044 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:07.970 us walk around but it's not conscious in any way 1045 01:09:09.029 --> 01:09:12.050 whereas the conscious part of the right the brain the 1046 01:09:12.069 --> 01:09:20.810 cerebral cortex that functions in a Because effectively you can 1047 01:09:20.869 --> 01:09:23.550 be brain dead and there can be no brain activity, 1048 01:09:23.630 --> 01:09:27.130 but your body can be still alive. Particularly these days 1049 01:09:27.250 --> 01:09:32.170 with modern technology where you can keep somebody alive in 1050 01:09:32.430 --> 01:09:38.550 a permanent vegetative state. They're still technically alive, but they 1051 01:09:38.609 --> 01:09:39.029 are dead. 1052 01:09:39.829 --> 01:09:40.449 Or are they? 1053 01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:43.380 Because that's the issue now with these discoveries about this 1054 01:09:43.420 --> 01:09:48.539 sudden brain activity. Soon afterwards, the Vicenti paper says, which 1055 01:09:48.699 --> 01:09:49.819 suggests that we need. 1056 01:09:49.659 --> 01:09:50.939 To be a little bit more careful here. 1057 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:54.800 You know, and the idea of whether people are consciously aware, 1058 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.220 that type of thing. So it's very important that we 1059 01:09:57.260 --> 01:10:01.779 define death, but also we need to define life. We 1060 01:10:01.819 --> 01:10:04.880 need to understand when we talk about something being alive, 1061 01:10:05.500 --> 01:10:08.720 what do we mean by that? How do we define life? 1062 01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:12.319 How do, and then the billion dollar question, how do 1063 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:17.840 we define consciousness? How do we define life? the existence 1064 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:22.920 of perception within the brain, because of course, does perception 1065 01:10:23.060 --> 01:10:25.819 occur in the brain or is perception something a lot 1066 01:10:25.859 --> 01:10:28.939 more complex than that? I mean, for instance, we know 1067 01:10:29.100 --> 01:10:32.210 that you can take the brain apart and you can 1068 01:10:32.310 --> 01:10:35.510 scan the brain down to the molecular level, but you'll 1069 01:10:35.550 --> 01:10:36.770 never find consciousness. 1070 01:10:38.369 --> 01:10:41.689 You'll never find it anywhere. You will find brain. 1071 01:10:41.409 --> 01:10:48.079 Activity, but that's confusing the, the map with the territory 1072 01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:52.279 because just brain activity doesn't necessarily mean that that is 1073 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.260 proof that consciousness is in the brain or not you 1074 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:58.720 know for instance there is evidence of activity in a 1075 01:10:58.779 --> 01:11:01.479 radio when a radio is attuned to a radio station 1076 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:04.260 you know the old valve radios the lights would go 1077 01:11:04.340 --> 01:11:06.840 on on everything so you could look at the back 1078 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.520 of an old radio and you could tell whether it 1079 01:11:09.539 --> 01:11:13.079 was receiving information from a radio station through radio waves 1080 01:11:13.100 --> 01:11:16.750 or But the radio station and all the processing and 1081 01:11:16.789 --> 01:11:18.630 all the sounds and all the music that's coming out 1082 01:11:18.649 --> 01:11:22.510 the speaker are not in the radio. And there's more 1083 01:11:22.550 --> 01:11:29.329 and more information suggesting that consciousness and awareness is in 1084 01:11:29.430 --> 01:11:35.270 fact something that spontaneously occurs when the brain reaches certain 1085 01:11:35.310 --> 01:11:38.800 levels of complexity. Because I've argued in one of my 1086 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:43.390 previous books, I argued that does consciousness occur At the 1087 01:11:43.449 --> 01:11:47.409 addition of one molecule within the brain, one particular mixture 1088 01:11:47.449 --> 01:11:48.069 of chemicals. 1089 01:11:48.770 --> 01:11:51.829 Is it one quark? You know, is it one atom? 1090 01:11:52.550 --> 01:11:53.470 You know, is it one minute? 1091 01:11:53.489 --> 01:11:56.449 There's no consciousness. The next minute it is. So there 1092 01:11:56.489 --> 01:11:59.800 are

really big questions here about the nature of reality 1093 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:05.500 and people who believe that there's a one-to-one relationship between 1094 01:12:05.539 --> 01:12:10.560 the brain and the outside world. are more and more 1095 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:13.340 in a minority now because we know that we internally 1096 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:16.279 create a model of what is out there within the brain. 1097 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:18.779 So is there any out there or even in there? 1098 01:12:18.819 --> 01:12:20.699 And these are the areas I discuss in my writing. 1099 01:12:20.770 --> 01:12:25.670 Before we move away from the neurological processes and science 1100 01:12:25.710 --> 01:12:28.989 that you include in the book like brain scans and 1101 01:12:29.069 --> 01:12:32.170 what they tell us, you mentioned some of the DMT 1102 01:12:32.210 --> 01:12:35.989 studies that are occurring. Talk a little bit about what's 1103 01:12:36.029 --> 01:12:39.670 happening there, as well as some of the more profound 1104 01:12:39.710 --> 01:12:43.550 information that the brain scans themselves are telling us. 1105 01:12:45.310 --> 01:12:45.590 Okay. 1106 01:12:45.909 --> 01:12:49.470 Well, it's quite important here to define exactly what we're 1107 01:12:49.510 --> 01:12:52.960 talking about when we talk about substances called entheogens. And 1108 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.119 entheogens is the generic term that's used by neuroscientists and 1109 01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:02.680 neurologists to explain how certain chemical substances. 1110 01:13:04.250 --> 01:13:09.289 For some reason, can completely change how the brain functions. 1111 01:13:10.569 --> 01:13:15.819 For example, if you take psilocybin magic mushrooms, something happens 1112 01:13:15.859 --> 01:13:18.180 in the brain and your perception of the world changes. 1113 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:22.260 When you take dimethyltryptamine, which we can expand on in 1114 01:13:22.300 --> 01:13:26.520 a little if you wish, your whole perceptual universe changes. 1115 01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:31.420 You move away from being in this, what is jokingly 1116 01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:37.229 called consensual reality. And you end up being literally ejected 1117 01:13:37.409 --> 01:13:42.140 and sent to another reality that people who take it 1118 01:13:42.180 --> 01:13:45.460 say is more real than this is. So the question 1119 01:13:45.500 --> 01:13:51.590 again is all we have here is certain molecules reacting 1120 01:13:51.689 --> 01:13:55.729 with the structures of the brain to create different places, 1121 01:13:55.789 --> 01:13:59.810 different universes. And this in itself is very, very curious 1122 01:13:59.850 --> 01:14:03.529 and very, very strange. So the question is, you know, 1123 01:14:03.869 --> 01:14:06.590 how do these substances do it? And when they do, 1124 01:14:06.729 --> 01:14:10.789 where do they take us? And it seems the latest 1125 01:14:10.890 --> 01:14:14.840 research is extraordinary. Like, for instance, there was this research 1126 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:21.000 being done recently by a guy called Robin Carhart-Harris. And 1127 01:14:21.020 --> 01:14:24.020 I think he's at Imperial College in London. And the 1128 01:14:24.060 --> 01:14:28.329 work they've been doing with psilocybin is incredible. Now, psilocybin 1129 01:14:28.369 --> 01:14:31.439 is effectively what most people know as magic mushrooms. And 1130 01:14:31.460 --> 01:14:33.880 the idea is that it has long been believed that 1131 01:14:33.939 --> 01:14:37.539 what happens is when you take these substances, what they 1132 01:14:37.579 --> 01:14:41.319 do is they actually make the brain more cohesive. They 1133 01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:44.010 make different parts of the brain work together in a 1134 01:14:44.069 --> 01:14:45.630 more effective and dynamic way. 1135 01:14:46.270 --> 01:14:46.529 Okay. 1136 01:14:46.829 --> 01:14:50.329 And that was what was genuinely believed. But Carhartt Harris 1137 01:14:50.390 --> 01:14:53.569 and his team have proved something different. It seems that 1138 01:14:53.670 --> 01:14:57.210 when you take these substances, it actually stops the brain 1139 01:14:57.250 --> 01:15:01.569 communicating with itself. It actually disrupts the signals traveling across 1140 01:15:01.609 --> 01:15:07.350 the brain. So when they say that psilocybin or DMT 1141 01:15:07.430 --> 01:15:11.180 creates a hallucinatory world, we've got the double problem of 1142 01:15:11.220 --> 01:15:14.300 we don't know what hallucinations are anyway. But more importantly, 1143 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.279 we don't know how it does it. Now, there is 1144 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:21.939 an argument to say that this is exactly what people 1145 01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:26.939 like myself have long argued, that these substances disrupt the 1146 01:15:26.979 --> 01:15:31.060 brain's ability to act as an attenuator. Now, by that, 1147 01:15:31.149 --> 01:15:34.210 I mean attenuator is something that takes information out. 1148 01:15:34.949 --> 01:15:35.229 Okay. 1149 01:15:35.729 --> 01:15:40.550 Now, many, many years ago, way back, 1890s, a guy 1150 01:15:40.590 --> 01:15:45.210 called Henri Bergson, who was a French philosopher, argued that 1151 01:15:45.949 --> 01:15:49.760 reality out there, there's far more of it that we 1152 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.720 can't perceive. And we can't perceive because the brain stops us. 1153 01:15:54.970 --> 01:15:59.369 The brain is programmed to allow us to function in 1154 01:15:59.449 --> 01:16:03.890 whatever this is, whatever this matrix is, whatever this holographic 1155 01:16:03.970 --> 01:16:07.189 illusion that we live within is. And what happens is 1156 01:16:07.270 --> 01:16:10.659 when you take certain substances, it disrupts the brain's ability 1157 01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:14.800 to do that. Now, this is exactly, again, what a 1158 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.760 guy called C.D. Broad argued in the 1930s and

famously 1159 01:16:18.899 --> 01:16:23.180 Aldous Huxley in his 1954 book, The Doors of Perception, 1160 01:16:23.859 --> 01:16:28.560 This is exactly what Huxley argued. And he had certain 1161 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:32.859 experiences with peyote. And he argued that he felt that 1162 01:16:32.939 --> 01:16:39.130 his brain was being stopped from acting as an attenuator. 1163 01:16:39.609 --> 01:16:42.489 The brain's ability to act as a barrier to information 1164 01:16:42.550 --> 01:16:46.449 was eroded and destroyed. And this is exactly what Carhart-Harrison 1165 01:16:46.489 --> 01:16:50.170 and his associates have discovered. They found that the brain 1166 01:16:50.270 --> 01:16:53.399 ceases to be able to communicate with itself which means 1167 01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.050 it no longer can function to stop the wider reality 1168 01:16:57.109 --> 01:17:00.109 coming through. In other words, it's opening the doors of 1169 01:17:00.170 --> 01:17:04.350 perception wider by inhibiting the brain's abilities to act as 1170 01:17:04.369 --> 01:17:08.210 an attenuator. Now, I would argue that this is of 1171 01:17:08.329 --> 01:17:12.680 great importance because I argue, and other writers are arguing 1172 01:17:12.689 --> 01:17:15.399 now as well, that what happens when we start to 1173 01:17:15.460 --> 01:17:18.359 die is the brain, that's what happens in the brain. 1174 01:17:18.380 --> 01:17:21.949 The brain starts to break down. In the final moments 1175 01:17:22.010 --> 01:17:25.109 before death, the brain's abilities to function, because it's suffering 1176 01:17:25.149 --> 01:17:29.520 from oxygen starvation effectively, it cannot function in the way 1177 01:17:29.579 --> 01:17:33.560 it normally does, which breaks down the barriers and allows 1178 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:37.960 people to have these experiences that have been reported for centuries. 1179 01:17:38.020 --> 01:17:41.060 I mean, there are things such as known as terminal lucidity. 1180 01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.199 People who are dying of Alzheimer's disease and have not 1181 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:48.979 been communicative for years will suddenly start communicating. Other people, 1182 01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:51.380 when they start to die, they will see dead relatives. 1183 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:55.359 They will start hearing voices. And all these things, I think, 1184 01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:59.460 are to do with certain neurotransmitters in the brain. And 1185 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:03.479 I think one of the major components of this is 1186 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:08.260 a substance called glutamate. And glutamate is the major neurotransmitter. 1187 01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.500 It simply facilitates communications between the neurons of the brain. 1188 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:16.590 And it has been long argued that glutamate can be 1189 01:18:16.619 --> 01:18:20.760 very dangerous in great amounts. It causes something called excitotoxicity, 1190 01:18:21.220 --> 01:18:25.779 which effectively destroys the neurons by making them fill with 1191 01:18:25.819 --> 01:18:30.270 water and explode. And there is an argument that there 1192 01:18:30.289 --> 01:18:34.470 are other substances in the brain that stop the glutamate 1193 01:18:35.310 --> 01:18:40.729 being effective. They're like glutamate inhibitors. And they believe there's 1194 01:18:40.750 --> 01:18:43.399 a guy called Carl Janssen who came up with this 1195 01:18:43.460 --> 01:18:48.170 model because he noticed similarities between near-death experiences and a 1196 01:18:48.210 --> 01:18:50.569 substance that that's basically quite in the news at the 1197 01:18:50.609 --> 01:18:54.090 moment at the moment ketamine and of course ketamine and 1198 01:18:54.130 --> 01:18:57.520 ketamine was the substance that um uh the guy that 1199 01:18:57.529 --> 01:19:04.159 was in friends died of taking um and this substance 1200 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:10.399 again seems to mimic the near-death experience And the question 1201 01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:12.760 is why it does it. And they've argued that there 1202 01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:15.619 is a substance in the brain that they're not sure 1203 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.050 about that seems to be released at times of stress 1204 01:19:18.619 --> 01:19:21.810 and times of danger. And this is what brings about, 1205 01:19:22.630 --> 01:19:24.329 like for instance, I'll guarantee there's a lot of people 1206 01:19:24.369 --> 01:19:27.430 watching this who will have had been given bad news 1207 01:19:28.010 --> 01:19:29.989 or they've been in a car accident and time seems 1208 01:19:30.010 --> 01:19:33.430 to suddenly slow down. And it's again as if some 1209 01:19:33.489 --> 01:19:36.489 chemical in the body has been released that changes our 1210 01:19:36.529 --> 01:19:41.390 perception of reality. Now I argue that that that substance 1211 01:19:42.270 --> 01:19:46.260 that is causing this has been known historically for thousands 1212 01:19:46.300 --> 01:19:50.920 of years. It's known as Soma or Amrit. And it 1213 01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:56.930 is a substance that seems to be tasted sometimes. People 1214 01:19:56.970 --> 01:20:00.670 sometimes can taste this substance in their throat. And in fact, 1215 01:20:00.729 --> 01:20:04.050 there is a technique used in India called Kakara Mudra, 1216 01:20:04.850 --> 01:20:10.109 where people, adepts and mystics, will train themselves to place 1217 01:20:10.149 --> 01:20:13.170 the tongue at the back of the throat. They'll turn 1218 01:20:13.210 --> 01:20:15.489 the tongue over. And when they do that, they lick 1219 01:20:15.529 --> 01:20:18.329 the back of their throat. And the reason they do 1220 01:20:18.369 --> 01:20:21.449 that is they say that you can taste something called 1221 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:25.260 the nectar of transcendence. Now, I argue that this nectar 1222 01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:32.180 of transcendence is endogenous. That is internally generated dimethyltryptamine.

And 1223 01:20:32.260 --> 01:20:37.289 I believe that the brain or the pineal gland specifically 1224 01:20:38.109 --> 01:20:42.720 generates this substance. And during times of stress, it releases 1225 01:20:42.819 --> 01:20:49.119 it into the system. Now, dimethyltryptamine has been found in 1226 01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:52.279 the body, but it's never until very. 1227 01:20:52.090 --> 01:20:53.689 Recently been found in the brain. 1228 01:20:53.949 --> 01:20:56.130 And you will still see papers where people will turn 1229 01:20:56.149 --> 01:20:59.489 around and say, DMT has been found in the liver, 1230 01:20:59.510 --> 01:21:01.229 it's been found in the stomach, but it's never been 1231 01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:05.569 found in the brain. Well, 2014, people should know in 2014, 1232 01:21:06.090 --> 01:21:09.470 An experiment took place at the University of Michigan by 1233 01:21:09.489 --> 01:21:14.229 a young Japanese-American researcher called Jimo Bojijin. And Jimo and 1234 01:21:14.289 --> 01:21:21.489 her team, they basically euthanized rats. They beheaded them. And 1235 01:21:21.529 --> 01:21:23.680 they had three types of rats. They had rats that 1236 01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:27.659 had been anesthetized, so they were unconscious. They had rats 1237 01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:32.420 who were conscious. And there was a third type. I 1238 01:21:32.420 --> 01:21:33.579 can't remember what the third type was. 1239 01:21:33.619 --> 01:21:35.979 But effectively, they then beheaded them. 1240 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.439 And everything, or they gassed them, and they did various 1241 01:21:39.460 --> 01:21:42.899 things with them. And they discovered some extraordinary things. The 1242 01:21:42.939 --> 01:21:47.359 first thing they discovered was that there was a repeat 1243 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:50.720 of what I was talking about earlier. The rat was dead, 1244 01:21:50.859 --> 01:21:53.619 and then suddenly, six or seven seconds after death, the 1245 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.010 brain fires up again, and lots of gamma ray activity, 1246 01:21:57.619 --> 01:22:01.250 gamma wave activity, exactly the same as the elderly gentleman 1247 01:22:01.270 --> 01:22:03.890 in the Vicenti case. So this has been known for years, 1248 01:22:03.909 --> 01:22:05.109 but it's the first time we've seen it in human beings. 1249 01:22:05.590 --> 01:22:08.670 But she also did another experiment with rats, and she 1250 01:22:08.810 --> 01:22:12.590 did a similar experiment. And they looked into the brains 1251 01:22:13.130 --> 01:22:18.180 of the dead rats, and they found dimethyltryptamine inside the 1252 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:21.560 pineal gland of the rats. Now, the question is, where 1253 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:24.619 did this DMT come from? Why was the most powerful 1254 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:27.890 hallucinogenic substance known to man actually in these brains? 1255 01:22:27.970 --> 01:22:28.850 How did it get there? 1256 01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:32.199 And the

argument is, and I suggest, and I'm not 1257 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:34.439 original on this, but I do cite it in my books, 1258 01:22:34.460 --> 01:22:36.310 and I think I'm one of the few writers pointing 1259 01:22:36.350 --> 01:22:41.630 this out, that within the brain, the pineal gland creates 1260 01:22:41.670 --> 01:22:44.970 a substance called melatonin. And melatonin is a substance that 1261 01:22:44.989 --> 01:22:47.229 makes you want to go to sleep. Okay, it's that 1262 01:22:47.250 --> 01:22:51.479 kind of sleep mechanism. And interestingly enough, the pineal gland 1263 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:55.000 sits just below what's called the optic chiasma. which is 1264 01:22:55.079 --> 01:23:00.039 where the light, where the information and the light and 1265 01:23:00.060 --> 01:23:03.520 the stimulus from the eyes goes to the visual cortex 1266 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:05.579 at the back of the brain. And as it goes in, 1267 01:23:06.020 --> 01:23:08.520 the two lines from each eye cross, and it's called 1268 01:23:08.539 --> 01:23:11.520 the optic chiasma. And the pineal gland sits on top 1269 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:13.939 of it. Now, the pineal gland has been known for 1270 01:23:13.979 --> 01:23:16.479 years for being called the third eye. And this is 1271 01:23:16.550 --> 01:23:17.909 because it's light sensitive. 1272 01:23:19.029 --> 01:23:20.649 And it's light sensitive for a reason. 1273 01:23:21.260 --> 01:23:23.739 Because it needs to know when it's going dark in 1274 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:26.420 the external environment. And as soon as the pineal gland 1275 01:23:26.779 --> 01:23:30.420 notices there's no activity within the optic chiasma and the 1276 01:23:30.500 --> 01:23:33.819 optic nerve, it starts creating this substance melatonin. 1277 01:23:34.699 --> 01:23:36.180 Now, if you look at the. 1278 01:23:36.140 --> 01:23:44.600 Structure of the molecule of melatonin and the molecule of dimethyltryptamine, 1279 01:23:45.970 --> 01:23:48.729 they are so similar. I think I'm right in saying 1280 01:23:48.789 --> 01:23:51.390 I think it's two hydrogen atoms I think. 1281 01:23:51.270 --> 01:23:52.369 Is the only difference. 1282 01:23:53.130 --> 01:23:58.920 So it's quite easy to visualize how the pineal gland 1283 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:05.079 could synthesize from melatonin internally generated dimethyltryptamine. Now, I argue 1284 01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:10.630 that there is actual evident proof of this physiologically because 1285 01:24:11.189 --> 01:24:17.470 at the 49th day of gestation, the embryo, has at 1286 01:24:17.489 --> 01:24:20.840 the back of its throat, it has something called the epiphysis. 1287 01:24:21.449 --> 01:24:24.859 And the epiphysis is effectively the pineal gland and the 1288 01:24:24.899 --> 01:24:29.520 pituitary gland together. And as the 49th day of gestation 1289 01:24:29.579 --> 01:24:31.500 takes place, which is, by the way, the date that 1290 01:24:31.539 --> 01:24:37.500 the Buddhists believe that

consciousness comes into the brain, it 1291 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:41.060 splits and it moves up from the back of the 1292 01:24:41.100 --> 01:24:43.930 throat to the centre of the brain. And then the 1293 01:24:43.970 --> 01:24:48.380 two split off into separate units. they leave something called 1294 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.770 Rathke's pouch, which is a kind of a, like a, 1295 01:24:50.859 --> 01:24:53.659 a kind of a channel that runs down to the 1296 01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:59.359 back of the throat. Now imagine what I argue, um, again, 1297 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.260 and something as an associates of mine have suggested this, 1298 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:07.689 that if the pineal gland creates diet DMT under certain circumstances, 1299 01:25:08.149 --> 01:25:10.470 where's it going to go? It's like a liquid fall. 1300 01:25:11.050 --> 01:25:14.489 It's going to drip down Rathke's cleft to the back 1301 01:25:14.529 --> 01:25:18.439 of the throat. Remember, I mentioned Kakara Mudra, these guys 1302 01:25:18.460 --> 01:25:22.920 doing this. They're doing this because they're tasting DMT. Now, again, 1303 01:25:23.140 --> 01:25:27.189 what is intriguing here is there are tribes in Colombia, 1304 01:25:28.130 --> 01:25:33.630 in Latin America, called the Mamas. And they take young 1305 01:25:33.710 --> 01:25:38.310 children straight after birth and they put them in a 1306 01:25:38.329 --> 01:25:42.020 cave where there's no natural light. And these kids grow 1307 01:25:42.140 --> 01:25:45.380 up in this scenario with no natural light whatsoever. And 1308 01:25:45.460 --> 01:25:48.590 I believe the reason they do this is because these 1309 01:25:48.630 --> 01:25:52.869 kids are trainee shamans. And they're trainee shamans for a reason. 1310 01:25:53.770 --> 01:25:58.420 Because they're denied access to light, it means that melatonin 1311 01:25:58.779 --> 01:26:02.920 in their brains, right from the start, from their childhood, 1312 01:26:03.579 --> 01:26:06.939 the pineal gland is trained to create more and more melatonin. 1313 01:26:07.899 --> 01:26:09.890 Why is it needing to do that? It's needing to 1314 01:26:09.930 --> 01:26:14.250 do that because that melatonin is being turned into endogenous dimethyltryptamine, 1315 01:26:14.449 --> 01:26:19.149 which allows them to shamanic travel. So there are so 1316 01:26:19.189 --> 01:26:22.109 many links here, and there's so many more discoveries being 1317 01:26:22.369 --> 01:26:27.109 made by these researchers about these substances in the brain, 1318 01:26:27.569 --> 01:26:33.310 and how DMT and the near-death experience are profoundly similar. Now, 1319 01:26:33.369 --> 01:26:34.970 I'll finish in a second, but one of the most 1320 01:26:35.029 --> 01:26:38.229 important pieces of research that I cite in the book 1321 01:26:38.829 --> 01:26:41.409 is by the guy that wrote the foreword, Pascal Michael. 1322 01:26:42.310 --> 01:26:45.949 pascal michael and another associate of mine professor david luke 1323 01:26:46.430 --> 01:26:51.630 who's another researcher into dmt um they were really intrigued 1324 01:26:51.890 --> 01:26:57.510 about the experiences of uh an american neurosurgeon by the 1325 01:26:57.569 --> 01:27:04.510 name of uh ibn alexander iii and ibn alexander was 1326 01:27:04.630 --> 01:27:12.020 a skeptical atheist neurosurgeon and a few years ago He 1327 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.319 came down with a very virulent form of viral meningitis. 1328 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:21.140 And he nearly died. And he was unconscious for a 1329 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:26.210 long time, virtually flatlined. And after about a week of 1330 01:27:26.250 --> 01:27:27.850 this state, he came out of it. 1331 01:27:29.029 --> 01:27:29.689 And he changed. 1332 01:27:29.729 --> 01:27:32.550 He described what happened to him when he was in 1333 01:27:32.609 --> 01:27:37.600 this state. And he found himself... And it's really incredible. 1334 01:27:38.020 --> 01:27:43.529 He found himself... He's dying. He loses consciousness. And then suddenly, 1335 01:27:43.729 --> 01:27:47.649 he's somewhere else completely. And he's in this mud, this 1336 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:51.420 kind of slime. And he finds himself climbing out the slime. 1337 01:27:53.220 --> 01:27:55.840 And he looks around him. And he's in this completely 1338 01:27:55.880 --> 01:28:01.159 different world. And he finds himself floating above himself. And 1339 01:28:01.180 --> 01:28:04.319 then suddenly, he finds himself on the wings of this 1340 01:28:04.420 --> 01:28:05.359 massive butterfly. 1341 01:28:05.380 --> 01:28:05.449 Hmm. 1342 01:28:07.100 --> 01:28:09.800 And sitting next to him on the butterfly is this 1343 01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:14.899 beautiful young woman with incredible coloured blue eyes, really uniquely 1344 01:28:14.939 --> 01:28:17.229 coloured blue eyes. And she starts to talk to him. 1345 01:28:17.670 --> 01:28:20.229 And he talks back and she explains what's happening to him. 1346 01:28:20.310 --> 01:28:24.109 And he's in the realms of dying and everything else. 1347 01:28:24.670 --> 01:28:27.029 And then he has then a whole load of other experiences, 1348 01:28:27.069 --> 01:28:29.380 which I won't go into at the moment. But he 1349 01:28:29.420 --> 01:28:34.079 then comes back, comes to, and he's explaining what happened 1350 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:36.680 to him. And his parents are sitting there and he 1351 01:28:36.739 --> 01:28:39.210 explains and he said, and the really bizarre thing was 1352 01:28:39.250 --> 01:28:42.119 there was this beautiful, young woman that had these incredible 1353 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:44.840 eyes and his parents go really quiet and they said 1354 01:28:45.060 --> 01:28:49.600 oh oh right and he discovered he'd had a sister 1355 01:28:49.659 --> 01:28:53.180 he never knew about who died before he was born 1356 01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:56.119 and the thing that they that was unique about her 1357 01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.729 was

the color of her eyes So clearly he'd either 1358 01:28:59.810 --> 01:29:03.010 drawn up or he'd interface something from somewhere. Now, the 1359 01:29:03.130 --> 01:29:08.409 interesting thing is that my associates, Pascal and Luke, Michael 1360 01:29:08.430 --> 01:29:13.640 and Luke, also found out from their research that even 1361 01:29:13.649 --> 01:29:18.819 Alexander is an interesting guy because he's also taken DMT 1362 01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:23.899 and specifically a form of DMT called 5-MeO-DMT, which is 1363 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:27.100 an even more powerful variant of So they have somebody 1364 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:33.970 who's had a near-death experience and a DMT experience. And 1365 01:29:34.050 --> 01:29:36.329 they interviewed him and asked him about it. And there 1366 01:29:36.350 --> 01:29:39.310 were some things that were different, but an awful lot 1367 01:29:39.329 --> 01:29:44.149 were similar. Although he's fairly convinced that the experiences were 1368 01:29:44.210 --> 01:29:47.810 qualitatively different. But I'd argue they would be because the 1369 01:29:47.949 --> 01:29:51.109 near-death experience is a much deeper experience than a DMT experience. 1370 01:29:52.189 --> 01:29:55.979 So there are elements of similarities here. Now, again, with 1371 01:29:56.020 --> 01:29:58.979 a DMT experience, you feel you fly out your body. 1372 01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:04.770 You have out-of-body experiences. You feel time dilates. You meet 1373 01:30:05.229 --> 01:30:09.930 the being of light, and you meet entities. Now, the 1374 01:30:10.090 --> 01:30:15.869 entities you meet in DMT are, again, intriguing. Because in 1375 01:30:15.909 --> 01:30:18.850 my research, I've come to the conclusion the DMT entities 1376 01:30:18.890 --> 01:30:22.079 you meet are like the entities that people meet in 1377 01:30:22.140 --> 01:30:23.020 shamanic traveling. 1378 01:30:23.340 --> 01:30:25.409 You know, I was talking about the mamas. Same kind 1379 01:30:25.449 --> 01:30:25.779 of thing. 1380 01:30:26.460 --> 01:30:30.800 And also the entities that people meet in near-death experiences. 1381 01:30:31.779 --> 01:30:35.880 And also entities people encounter in UFO abductions. 1382 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:38.729 And I believe they're all the same entities. 1383 01:30:40.289 --> 01:30:45.050 And it is interesting that these entities seem to have 1384 01:30:45.090 --> 01:30:47.649 independence of us. And I will stop now, but it's 1385 01:30:47.789 --> 01:30:51.029 very important to get this point across. Another associate of 1386 01:30:51.100 --> 01:30:53.359 mine is a guy called Dr. 1387 01:30:53.659 --> 01:30:54.149 Carl H. 1388 01:30:54.180 --> 01:30:54.359 Smith. 1389 01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:59.600 University professor, everything else. And he's part of a research 1390 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:04.119 team that are volunteering to take DMT under controlled conditions 1391 01:31:04.149 --> 01:31:06.949 because it's a prescribed job in the UK and in 1392 01:31:06.970 --> 01:31:10.609 the USA. But under certain conditions, you're allowed to take 1393 01:31:10.649 --> 01:31:13.989 it for medical purposes or for medical research. And there's 1394 01:31:14.010 --> 01:31:17.500 a group of volunteers that have been taking DMT every 1395 01:31:17.539 --> 01:31:21.140 two weeks at Imperial College in London. And Carl is 1396 01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:23.539 one of them. And they take it intravenously. So they 1397 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:26.020 inject it into them, or they have it injected into them. 1398 01:31:26.579 --> 01:31:29.579 And then they go to the DMT world and describe 1399 01:31:29.619 --> 01:31:32.279 what happened to them when they come back. Carl takes 1400 01:31:32.340 --> 01:31:35.520 it the first time, shoots out of his body, and 1401 01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:38.100 he finds himself in this place called the DMT cage, 1402 01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:40.619 which is this weird place. And you have all these 1403 01:31:40.699 --> 01:31:44.739 fractals and everything's breaking down around you. And he said, 1404 01:31:44.819 --> 01:31:50.850 suddenly this entity, like a mantid, comes across and pokes him. 1405 01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:53.800 And said you shouldn't be doing it this way. This 1406 01:31:53.859 --> 01:31:55.600 is not how you do it. And then leant back. 1407 01:31:56.840 --> 01:32:00.359 Then he comes back two weeks later. And the same 1408 01:32:00.430 --> 01:32:02.350 creature came over. And said I told you last time. 1409 01:32:02.470 --> 01:32:05.210 You shouldn't be doing it. So clearly as Carl has 1410 01:32:05.229 --> 01:32:07.350 said to me. This means these entities are independent of us. 1411 01:32:08.750 --> 01:32:13.449 They're not hallucinations. They're far more than that. They're expecting us. 1412 01:32:14.369 --> 01:32:18.619 So the question then asks. The DMT world. Alien encounters. 1413 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.750 Alien abductions. And the near death experience. are all facets 1414 01:32:22.949 --> 01:32:24.250 of the same thing. 1415 01:32:24.510 --> 01:32:27.880 I'm right there with you. There's so many fascinating possibilities. 1416 01:32:28.460 --> 01:32:32.340 I do want to shift a bit because I'm fascinated 1417 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:37.899 with how our perception, our theological beliefs, the state of 1418 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:43.890 our mental well-being and emotions affect the nature of near-death 1419 01:32:43.949 --> 01:32:48.750 experiences and even things like psychedelic experiences. And you've spoken 1420 01:32:48.810 --> 01:32:51.939 to many people who've had these experiences Would you say 1421 01:32:51.979 --> 01:32:56.850 that primarily most people's experiences are positive or would it 1422 01:32:56.909 --> 01:32:59.289 depend on these factors pretty heavily? 1423 01:33:01.329 --> 01:33:02.590 It really depends. 1424 01:33:02.829 --> 01:33:05.409 I mean, effectively, if you look at a lot of 1425 01:33:05.449 --> 01:33:09.890 the gurus

that are peddling things like out-of-body experience training 1426 01:33:10.590 --> 01:33:14.100 online these days and everything, because the out-of-body experience is 1427 01:33:14.140 --> 01:33:18.159 also related to this, they will argue, no, it's unlikely 1428 01:33:18.220 --> 01:33:21.010 if ever you're going to have a bad experience. Well, 1429 01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:25.090 I know people who've had very, very bad experiences, psychologically 1430 01:33:25.130 --> 01:33:28.909 damaging experiences. Because remember, if you are in this altered 1431 01:33:28.949 --> 01:33:34.029 state of consciousness, there's no escape. You can't automatically get 1432 01:33:34.149 --> 01:33:38.409 back because you're already out there. And if the entities 1433 01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:45.119 are more than just hallucinations, but even if they are hallucinations, 1434 01:33:45.579 --> 01:33:50.449 they are created by our subconscious in some way. And 1435 01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:54.319 they bring up all these ancient fears we have that 1436 01:33:54.340 --> 01:33:57.680 we carry with us. So you're like in a nightmare 1437 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.060 scenario that you can't get out of that's hyper real. 1438 01:34:00.579 --> 01:34:03.199 Well, to me, if they're giving you information that you 1439 01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:08.460 didn't have before, sometimes they're giving you information that you 1440 01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:12.140 shouldn't have access to. It seems that to me says 1441 01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:18.810 that there is something, an external intelligence that we're interacting with. Well, yes. 1442 01:34:18.850 --> 01:34:23.449 I mean, people who take DMT call the essence, they 1443 01:34:23.970 --> 01:34:29.369 encounter mother ayahuasca because, of course, ayahuasca is DMT. And 1444 01:34:29.970 --> 01:34:34.489 clearly there seems to be a sentience about it. Now, 1445 01:34:34.529 --> 01:34:37.529 of course, Terence McKenna, the famous guy who used to 1446 01:34:37.590 --> 01:34:41.529 write about ayahuasca experiences, called it the machine elves. And 1447 01:34:41.550 --> 01:34:44.829 it seems to have a sentience that is almost humorous. 1448 01:34:45.369 --> 01:34:47.510 It's almost as if it's pulling our legs. It's playing 1449 01:34:47.550 --> 01:34:50.130 with us in some way. And this again can be 1450 01:34:50.229 --> 01:34:54.600 paralleled with the, the writings of people like Jacques Vallee, 1451 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:59.300 the UFO researchers who argue that the UFO phenomenon is 1452 01:34:59.420 --> 01:35:01.859 also manipulating us. And as you know, you know, every 1453 01:35:01.899 --> 01:35:04.100 year now I speak at contact in the desert in 1454 01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:07.960 Southern California, which is the world's biggest UFO event, you know, 1455 01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:09.899 and I have the opportunity there to speak to a 1456 01:35:10.300 --> 01:35:14.619 lot of famous UFO individuals, Travis Walton, people like, um, 1457 01:35:18.229 --> 01:35:21.329 whitley streber people like that so we all get together 1458 01:35:21.369 --> 01:35:24.989 and discuss these things and that whole group are moving 1459 01:35:25.050 --> 01:35:30.920 more and more towards this dmt hallucinatory world attitude but 1460 01:35:31.180 --> 01:35:33.500 the world out there is if these if these entities 1461 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.680 are in somehow and i argue they're not independent of 1462 01:35:36.779 --> 01:35:42.369 us they are brain created but they have independence of 1463 01:35:42.430 --> 01:35:45.829 us as well And I call this concept the egregorial. 1464 01:35:46.449 --> 01:35:49.310 And in my book, The Hidden Universe and Opening the 1465 01:35:49.329 --> 01:35:52.970 Door's Perception, I spend an awful lot of time, hundreds 1466 01:35:53.010 --> 01:35:56.789 of pages developing this hypothesis as to how these entities 1467 01:35:57.229 --> 01:36:00.840 can be brain generated and can be hallucinations, but can 1468 01:36:00.909 --> 01:36:04.340 still be real. Because the question is, we go into 1469 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:07.880 quantum mechanics. We don't know what is real. We have 1470 01:36:07.939 --> 01:36:10.420 no real idea of what is real. We believe that 1471 01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:14.359 out there is real. only because our senses tell us 1472 01:36:15.100 --> 01:36:17.180 we only believe out there is real. If we are 1473 01:36:17.199 --> 01:36:20.359 a naive realist, you know, the idea that we naively 1474 01:36:20.430 --> 01:36:22.810 realize that there's a one-to-one relationship between what's out there 1475 01:36:22.829 --> 01:36:25.270 and what's in your head. And of course, everything is 1476 01:36:25.310 --> 01:36:29.050 brain generated. Even now, your brain is creating an internal 1477 01:36:29.109 --> 01:36:33.850 facsimile of your studio and your interface with me, you know, 1478 01:36:33.970 --> 01:36:36.819 because we never interact with anything in the physical universe. 1479 01:36:37.140 --> 01:36:40.550 We don't, we never touch anything. We never actually touch 1480 01:36:40.609 --> 01:36:44.689 anything because of electrostatic repulsion. So to say that, and 1481 01:36:44.710 --> 01:36:47.350 we don't know, you know, colors green and red, you know, 1482 01:36:47.390 --> 01:36:50.489 they're not real. They're just vibrational states of the electromagnetic 1483 01:36:50.529 --> 01:36:53.170 spectrum that the brain interprets as being red or green. 1484 01:36:53.770 --> 01:36:56.630 So when then we start to look at then, well, what. 1485 01:36:56.529 --> 01:36:57.909 Exactly are hallucinations? 1486 01:36:58.779 --> 01:37:01.359 Well, by definition, a hallucination is something you experience on 1487 01:37:01.380 --> 01:37:05.800 your own. But I know people who have had, they've 1488 01:37:06.100 --> 01:37:09.960 gone into DMT spaces and they've met other people Who 1489 01:37:09.979 --> 01:37:12.000 they then feed back on. I mean, a guest that 1490

01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.960 you need to have on your show is a very 1491 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.800 close friend of mine who's just brought out her first book. 1492 01:37:18.340 --> 01:37:21.020 A young lady called Samantha Lee Treasure. And her book 1493 01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:28.140 on out-of-body experiences is extraordinary. Really groundbreaking. Absolutely groundbreaking. Whitley 1494 01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:30.140 Streber interviewed her a couple of days ago and he's 1495 01:37:30.180 --> 01:37:32.439 gone crazy with what she's talking about. 1496 01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:33.300 Check her out. 1497 01:37:33.340 --> 01:37:35.380 She's really, really good. She's going to be a superstar soon. 1498 01:37:36.300 --> 01:37:40.869 And she's a qualified anthropologist. So she's not some kind 1499 01:37:40.909 --> 01:37:42.130 of gee whiz person. 1500 01:37:42.689 --> 01:37:43.289 She's the real deal. 1501 01:37:43.689 --> 01:37:47.109 But anyway, so going back, I mean, it is clear 1502 01:37:47.149 --> 01:37:48.989 that when we talk about hallucinations, we don't know what 1503 01:37:49.010 --> 01:37:52.659 we really mean. So when you go to these places, 1504 01:37:53.539 --> 01:37:56.579 can you really escape? Because if they have a reality 1505 01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:02.369 and they get bad and you bring up the negative aspects, 1506 01:38:02.409 --> 01:38:06.010 like there are so many cases of demonic, nasty hallucinations 1507 01:38:07.489 --> 01:38:11.420 I mean, Howard Storm, one of the NDE experiences, a 1508 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:15.180 classic example of this. He had malevolent entities pulling at him, 1509 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:19.659 trying to pull him down. Now, whether these were manifestations 1510 01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:23.739 of his own sense or feelings, it doesn't matter. If 1511 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.409 they're real for you, they are real. And if it's 1512 01:38:26.529 --> 01:38:29.420 visceral fear that you have here so to make out 1513 01:38:29.460 --> 01:38:32.560 that all near-death experiences are good there is the concept 1514 01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:35.659 of the bardo state in tibetan buddhism and i argue 1515 01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:38.600 that in fact the bardo state is that kind of 1516 01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:42.720 interim world between life and death and when you see 1517 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.680 again these the signs of somebody that's just died and 1518 01:38:45.699 --> 01:38:48.909 there's activity i believe that that activity is the bardo 1519 01:38:48.949 --> 01:38:52.590 state and Buddhism because if you're in the Bardo state, 1520 01:38:52.770 --> 01:38:55.050 you know, you have bad Bardo states You have good 1521 01:38:55.090 --> 01:38:57.470 Bardo states and it's all to do with your hopes 1522 01:38:57.510 --> 01:39:02.090 and fears. But if we co-create this reality as More 1523 01:39:02.130 --> 01:39:04.569 and more evidence from quantum mechanics is saying we collapse 1524 01:39:04.609 --> 01:39:08.539 the wave function You know the matter and and everything 1525 01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:12.159 else are basically Statistical waves until they are measured or 1526 01:39:12.220 --> 01:39:16.119 observed before then they do not exist in three-dimensional space 1527 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:20.359 do we bring about a they're pulling them through into 1528 01:39:20.460 --> 01:39:21.420 physical reality. 1529 01:39:22.220 --> 01:39:27.760 Does the individual's beliefs, theological beliefs, does it heavily affect 1530 01:39:27.819 --> 01:39:31.630 the nature of the near-death experience, as in, say, a 1531 01:39:31.739 --> 01:39:35.949 Christian would see angels or demons, but on the other end, 1532 01:39:36.010 --> 01:39:39.250 if a person is a Buddhist or has a different 1533 01:39:39.310 --> 01:39:46.920 spiritual belief system, would they inherently experience something related to that? Yes, 1534 01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:47.359 they would. 1535 01:39:47.380 --> 01:39:51.689 I mean, Charles Saunders Pierce, who was an American philosopher 1536 01:39:51.710 --> 01:39:53.970 many years ago, came up with the concept of the Phaneron. 1537 01:39:54.430 --> 01:39:57.670 And the Phaneron is effectively the world that is created 1538 01:39:57.770 --> 01:40:03.149 by us, formed by our expectations. So effectively, when you 1539 01:40:03.210 --> 01:40:07.350 go into a near-death experience, depending upon your social programming, 1540 01:40:07.979 --> 01:40:11.600 is what you will see. And I have long argued that, 1541 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:13.979 for instance, the being of light, which is one of 1542 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:17.180 the moody traits, it's one of the entities you experience. 1543 01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:19.909 I would argue that that is an equivalent of the 1544 01:40:19.989 --> 01:40:26.489 shamanic guide that people have in shamanic traveling. And this 1545 01:40:26.590 --> 01:40:31.939 being will normally manifest itself in whatever social norms you 1546 01:40:31.979 --> 01:40:34.600 expect it to be. If you are a Christian, it 1547 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:39.859 will manifest as Jesus. If you are Hindu, it'll be 1548 01:40:39.939 --> 01:40:43.250 Shiva or it'll be Brahman. Technically, it can't be Brahman 1549 01:40:43.270 --> 01:40:47.430 because that's everything, but technically be one of the minor gods. 1550 01:40:48.449 --> 01:40:51.810 So clearly, this seems to be culturally based. And I 1551 01:40:51.869 --> 01:40:53.909 have a whole section in the new book on the 1552 01:40:54.010 --> 01:40:59.239 anthropology of near-death experiences. And consistently, whatever your culture is, 1553 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:03.039 is what near-death experience you get. It is very rare, 1554 01:41:03.079 --> 01:41:06.380 and I'll stand corrected here, And I'm really keen if 1555 01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:09.319 there's anybody out there who has had or knows of 1556 01:41:09.380 --> 01:41:12.800 somebody who's had a near-death experience when they

have been 1557 01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:16.000 a Christian and it's converted them to being a Muslim 1558 01:41:16.460 --> 01:41:20.760 or being a Hindu or being a Jain, because I 1559 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.760 don't know of it. All the examples I've got is 1560 01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:27.010 that you go there and it's reinforcing your beliefs, which 1561 01:41:27.060 --> 01:41:31.069 means it's created out of your expectations. But the question 1562 01:41:31.130 --> 01:41:34.029 is then, how do we deal with the real mystery 1563 01:41:34.050 --> 01:41:37.579 of characters that people meet in near-death experiences i'll give 1564 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:43.039 example children's near-death experiences so many of them involve the 1565 01:41:43.100 --> 01:41:46.659 children when they're in the dead world as it were 1566 01:41:46.699 --> 01:41:49.640 when they're within the nde world they meet school friends 1567 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:55.350 who are alive interesting they meet people who like elvis 1568 01:41:55.390 --> 01:41:58.750 presley elvis presley is there to be greeted by them 1569 01:41:59.329 --> 01:42:02.149 some children now and again sam sam treasurer is doing 1570 01:42:02.189 --> 01:42:06.960 research on this for her next book Some children, because 1571 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.199 of the way in which we are now existing in 1572 01:42:09.260 --> 01:42:13.479 a world of the visuals of computers, and we're living 1573 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:16.239 in virtual realities, and we're on screen all the time, 1574 01:42:16.659 --> 01:42:19.739 her work is very much saying that screen entities and 1575 01:42:19.819 --> 01:42:22.960 things you expect on the screen, things from manga, are 1576 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:28.130 now bleeding into their death experiences, out-of-body experiences. And it's 1577 01:42:28.170 --> 01:42:31.489 because we are co-creating this, because our expectations are such, 1578 01:42:32.060 --> 01:42:36.390 Children now expect to meet cartoon characters. Mickey Mouse happens 1579 01:42:36.449 --> 01:42:39.609 a lot in near-death experiences with children. Now, Mickey Mouse 1580 01:42:39.670 --> 01:42:42.710 is not a belief system. Mickey Mouse is not a deity. 1581 01:42:42.750 --> 01:42:45.810 Mickey Mouse is not a god, but he's there. Manga 1582 01:42:45.850 --> 01:42:50.909 characters occur in near-death experiences. So clearly, to just interpret 1583 01:42:50.970 --> 01:42:55.890 it with your own religious worldview or your expectations doesn't work. 1584 01:42:56.770 --> 01:43:00.479 There's more to it. And it's brain-created, but it's not. 1585 01:43:00.890 --> 01:43:02.689 And again, I'll come back to the point that if 1586 01:43:02.869 --> 01:43:08.140 this reality is brain created and we believe this is real, 1587 01:43:08.180 --> 01:43:10.960 there's no reason to not believe that out there when 1588 01:43:10.979 --> 01:43:13.060 we have these experiences isn't real. But that was an 1589 01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:14.260 excellent question, by the way. 1590 01:43:14.460 --> 01:43:15.159 Really, really good. 1591 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:20.750 Was there any amount of people that didn't experience anything? 1592 01:43:21.029 --> 01:43:24.270 Was there anyone that you've talked to that didn't experience 1593 01:43:24.329 --> 01:43:24.850 anything at all? 1594 01:43:26.699 --> 01:43:31.810 Oh, yeah, this happens a lot. People, when they have 1595 01:43:31.819 --> 01:43:34.529 a near-death experience or they go into what would be 1596 01:43:34.609 --> 01:43:39.430 ordinarily a near-death state, and they found nothing, just blank, nothing. 1597 01:43:40.270 --> 01:43:44.449 But the problem is there, that if you don't experience anything, 1598 01:43:45.189 --> 01:43:48.770 there's no sensory input. So you can't describe what you 1599 01:43:48.810 --> 01:43:52.399 didn't experience because there's nothing. Now, my argument here is, 1600 01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:55.500 and it's so important, there are three categories we need 1601 01:43:55.539 --> 01:44:02.449 to take here. There are near-death experiences and there are 1602 01:44:02.489 --> 01:44:06.050 real death experiences. In other words, a near-death experience is 1603 01:44:06.189 --> 01:44:08.369 one where the person comes back to tell us the 1604 01:44:08.449 --> 01:44:12.619 story of what happened. Nobody has ever come back from 1605 01:44:12.659 --> 01:44:16.180 a real death experience to tell us what happens. And 1606 01:44:16.220 --> 01:44:22.020 this is important. So nobody's been brain-dead, completely brain-dead, flatlined, 1607 01:44:22.659 --> 01:44:26.760 all the brain has ceased to function completely. Nobody has 1608 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:30.340 ever come back from that because you need the brain 1609 01:44:30.460 --> 01:44:36.159 functioning in some way in order for the perceptions to happen. Now, 1610 01:44:36.300 --> 01:44:40.199 and this is so important, I argue that the reason 1611 01:44:40.859 --> 01:44:44.310 we get confused with near-death experiences is there's one factor 1612 01:44:45.109 --> 01:44:47.750 that people are not thinking about, and that's time perception. 1613 01:44:48.930 --> 01:44:51.930 Remember that people say in a near-death experience, time seems 1614 01:44:51.989 --> 01:44:55.880 to slow down for them. Now, if time slows down 1615 01:44:55.939 --> 01:44:59.600 for a person who's dying, by quickly thinking about that, 1616 01:44:59.649 --> 01:45:03.609 you'll realize that the person you are watching die, their 1617 01:45:03.689 --> 01:45:06.489 time is different to yours as the observer of that 1618 01:45:06.529 --> 01:45:09.310 person dying. So very quickly, you and that person are 1619 01:45:09.329 --> 01:45:13.289 living in completely different time scales. And you can very 1620 01:45:13.390 --> 01:45:17.239 quickly do from the maths or from an application of 1621 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:22.579 like Zeno's bisection paradox, That the person who's dying may

1622 01:45:22.659 --> 01:45:26.500 never actually get to the point of subjective death in 1623 01:45:26.539 --> 01:45:29.590 their world of time. You see them die, but they 1624 01:45:29.630 --> 01:45:33.329 never get there. It's like imagine watching you suddenly go 1625 01:45:33.369 --> 01:45:35.069 into a dream state now and you have a whole 1626 01:45:35.149 --> 01:45:38.930 dream that lasts hours and you micro dream. And we're 1627 01:45:38.970 --> 01:45:41.109 talking as far as I'm concerned, you just close your 1628 01:45:41.149 --> 01:45:42.739 eyes for a couple of seconds, but you've been away 1629 01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:46.130 for hours. Which is the real hours, the hours that 1630 01:45:46.170 --> 01:45:49.250 you spent in the dream or the seconds I watched 1631 01:45:49.289 --> 01:45:52.229 you dreaming it. And this is so important. Now, very 1632 01:45:52.250 --> 01:45:54.670 much going back. So there's the real death experience and 1633 01:45:54.710 --> 01:45:57.970 the near death experience. But there's also something else called 1634 01:45:57.989 --> 01:46:02.109 the fear death experience. And this is very interesting, is 1635 01:46:02.149 --> 01:46:05.800 that they have researched this and they discovered that people 1636 01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:09.380 have near death experiences when they fear they are going 1637 01:46:09.420 --> 01:46:14.020 to die. They anticipate they are going to die. even 1638 01:46:14.060 --> 01:46:17.119 though they don't, even though they don't even sometimes go 1639 01:46:17.159 --> 01:46:20.130 into the state where they are badly injured, but they 1640 01:46:20.170 --> 01:46:22.350 still go through a near-death experience. And this is because 1641 01:46:22.409 --> 01:46:25.470 the brain is programmed when they think they're going to 1642 01:46:25.510 --> 01:46:29.189 die to suddenly release these neurochemicals to bring about the 1643 01:46:29.229 --> 01:46:33.250 near-death experience. So there's not necessarily a one-to-one relationship between 1644 01:46:33.369 --> 01:46:36.569 actually dying and experiencing a near-death experience. And that is 1645 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:37.770 profoundly important. 1646 01:46:38.409 --> 01:46:44.380 So interesting. Earlier, you mentioned the panoramic life review. Talk 1647 01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:49.600 about the implications you write about what this means for 1648 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:53.319 our reality and some of the similarities people have had 1649 01:46:53.350 --> 01:46:53.689 with this. 1650 01:46:55.590 --> 01:46:56.289 Oh, absolutely. 1651 01:46:56.350 --> 01:46:59.789 Now, the Panoramic Life Review is quite fascinating in that 1652 01:46:59.989 --> 01:47:05.899 it was first really discussed by a guy called Albert Hine, 1653 01:47:06.729 --> 01:47:11.100 who was the president of the Alpine Climbers Club. I 1654 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:16.229 think he was Swiss. And he had a climbing accident 1655 01:47:16.270 --> 01:47:19.609 where he fell off a cliff.

And while he was falling, 1656 01:47:20.340 --> 01:47:23.840 he saw his whole life go past his eyes in 1657 01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:28.060 external time, a split second. And he managed to survive. 1658 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:31.359 And he was so intrigued by this, he started talking 1659 01:47:31.399 --> 01:47:34.760 to other climbers who'd had a similar experience, had fallen. 1660 01:47:35.579 --> 01:47:39.060 And he found that a large majority of them had 1661 01:47:39.100 --> 01:47:43.829 this panoramic life review. where they saw either the whole 1662 01:47:43.869 --> 01:47:46.350 of their life passing by or they saw it in 1663 01:47:46.390 --> 01:47:51.829 a series of snapshots running along. Now, he became intrigued 1664 01:47:51.850 --> 01:47:54.810 by this, so he started to research it. And more 1665 01:47:54.850 --> 01:47:57.329 people started to get into this, which is interesting because 1666 01:47:57.369 --> 01:48:00.229 Haim was writing, I think, about the 1890s. But it 1667 01:48:00.260 --> 01:48:03.920 was only really in the early 1970s when Raymond Moody 1668 01:48:03.939 --> 01:48:07.960 wrote his book Life After Life, that interest came into 1669 01:48:08.020 --> 01:48:11.159 near-death experiences. But they discovered that many people who'd had 1670 01:48:11.220 --> 01:48:17.090 near-death experiences report this panoramic life review. Now, again, when 1671 01:48:17.109 --> 01:48:19.840 you look into history, it's reported a lot. I mean, 1672 01:48:20.899 --> 01:48:23.840 many famous writers have discussed it as well. You know, 1673 01:48:24.319 --> 01:48:27.619 you hear this, my life flashed before my eyes. Now, 1674 01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:31.270 the question that intrigued me about this was, what's the 1675 01:48:31.350 --> 01:48:32.210 mechanism here? 1676 01:48:33.369 --> 01:48:36.130 How can you see. 1677 01:48:36.090 --> 01:48:38.609 The whole of your life flash before your eyes in 1678 01:48:38.649 --> 01:48:42.449 a I can't recall things that happened to me in 1679 01:48:42.529 --> 01:48:45.949 detail a few days ago, a few weeks ago, but 1680 01:48:46.010 --> 01:48:49.380 people say that it's absolutely, not only is it real, 1681 01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:53.439 but it's tactile and you feel your emotions and everything else. 1682 01:48:53.479 --> 01:48:55.840 And not only that, sometimes you feel the emotions of 1683 01:48:55.899 --> 01:48:58.800 your effects on other people. So it's as if you're 1684 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:02.189 a tuning into and a kind of an emotional experience 1685 01:49:02.229 --> 01:49:05.130 as well. And I started to think myself and I thought, well, 1686 01:49:06.250 --> 01:49:11.409 how does this work? Does the brain, record everything. And 1687 01:49:11.590 --> 01:49:14.109 in my Cheating the Ferryman hypothesis and my books on 1688 01:49:14.149 --> 01:49:17.329 Cheating the Ferryman, I build up this model where I 1689 01:49:17.430 --> 01:49:21.069 actually do the neurology of this and I discuss how 1690 01:49:21.189 --> 01:49:24.689 researchers have looked at how the brain processes memory and 1691 01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:28.880 how the brain processes life. And it is evident from 1692 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.100 the research of people like Wilder Penfield in the 1930s 1693 01:49:32.119 --> 01:49:36.699 and 1950s and also other researchers that the human brain 1694 01:49:36.739 --> 01:49:41.829 remembers everything. And it stores it holographically. In other words, 1695 01:49:41.869 --> 01:49:43.850 you can't find where the memories are in the brain. 1696 01:49:43.890 --> 01:49:47.979 And people like Carl Pribram and Carl Lashley were people 1697 01:49:48.020 --> 01:49:49.720 who worked on this for years to try and find 1698 01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:52.520 where memory was in the brain. They could never find memory. 1699 01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:56.239 But what they could find is the places that processed memory. 1700 01:49:56.939 --> 01:50:02.170 Places like the hippocampus, which sits underneath the temporal. 1701 01:50:01.869 --> 01:50:02.649 Lobes of the brain. 1702 01:50:03.170 --> 01:50:06.090 So this is almost like the receiver of all the 1703 01:50:06.130 --> 01:50:10.170 information about your whole life. But it's blocked in some way. 1704 01:50:10.409 --> 01:50:14.689 We can't get to it. But some people can. Like, 1705 01:50:14.710 --> 01:50:20.170 for instance, there is a young lady called Becky Sharrock. 1706 01:50:20.949 --> 01:50:25.869 And Becky Sharrock, Rebecca Sharrock, has what is known as HSAM, 1707 01:50:26.210 --> 01:50:30.350 which is highly superior autographical memory. It's a known phenomenon. 1708 01:50:30.550 --> 01:50:33.369 There are about eight people that have been recorded as 1709 01:50:33.430 --> 01:50:34.130 ever having this. 1710 01:50:34.430 --> 01:50:35.170 And she's one of them. 1711 01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:40.970 She remembers absolutely everything in her life, her dreams. She 1712 01:50:41.069 --> 01:50:43.890 even remembers being in the womb. Now I interviewed her 1713 01:50:44.369 --> 01:50:48.399 on my own podcast, um, about two or three years ago. Now, 1714 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:51.619 if I, I have recorded the interview, the interviews on 1715 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:54.579 my YouTube channel, but also I've taken just the section 1716 01:50:54.619 --> 01:50:57.720 for people to watch. Believe me, you need to watch this. 1717 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:01.850 I'm interviewing her. And I, when I used to do 1718 01:51:01.869 --> 01:51:04.680 my interviews, I used to do my interviews with my associate, uh, 1719 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:10.979 Sarah James. Sarah's daughter is heavily into Harry Potter books, 1720 01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:12.800 and she has all the Harry Potter books in her 1721 01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:15.460 home nearby, about 20 miles away from here. 1722 01:51:16.420 --> 01:51:17.619 I knew that Becky. 1723 01:51:17.380 --> 01:51:21.960 Sharrock also liked the Harry Potter books. So

I decided 1724 01:51:22.079 --> 01:51:27.260 on a live interview to possibly compromise her. So I 1725 01:51:27.340 --> 01:51:30.310 said to her, Becky, you like Harry Potter, don't you? 1726 01:51:30.329 --> 01:51:33.270 And she said, yes, read all the books. And I said, okay, fine. 1727 01:51:33.449 --> 01:51:35.949 And you say you remember everything you've ever experienced. 1728 01:51:36.069 --> 01:51:36.270 Yes. 1729 01:51:36.890 --> 01:51:39.329 So I then said to Sarah, Sarah, can you get 1730 01:51:39.430 --> 01:51:41.729 your collection of Harry Potter books? 1731 01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:43.479 Can you pick one of the volumes at random? 1732 01:51:44.460 --> 01:51:47.420 Can you then pick a page at random and pick 1733 01:51:47.460 --> 01:51:50.029 a paragraph at random off that page and start reading it? 1734 01:51:50.859 --> 01:51:54.399 And I said to Becky, come in when you feel 1735 01:51:54.600 --> 01:51:58.340 you can come in. She got six words in And 1736 01:51:58.399 --> 01:52:05.560 Becky read the whole paragraph. Now, that is astonishing because 1737 01:52:05.579 --> 01:52:08.619 that effectively means that certain people and I argue it 1738 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.220 is people who have autism, certain forms of autism, which 1739 01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:16.199 Becky has and also has. And I'm sure that we'll 1740 01:52:16.229 --> 01:52:19.710 find that with Becky, we will find this also experience 1741 01:52:19.729 --> 01:52:23.649 something called temporal lobe epilepsy. Because I believe that temporal 1742 01:52:23.670 --> 01:52:29.079 lobe epileptics and people with autism, Asperger's syndrome, and various 1743 01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:33.079 other aspects of this, the doors of perception are wider open. 1744 01:52:33.460 --> 01:52:38.300 And they can access the memories that are stored holographically, 1745 01:52:38.340 --> 01:52:41.520 which the brain can process. And I believe it's these 1746 01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:45.409 memories that are drawn up at the point of death. 1747 01:52:46.270 --> 01:52:48.989 And it is these memories that somebody experiences when they 1748 01:52:49.029 --> 01:52:52.720 have a panoramic life review. Now, the reason it's super 1749 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:57.220 fast is because it's a near-death experience, not a real 1750 01:52:57.239 --> 01:53:00.060 death experience. I argue in a real death experience, it's 1751 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:03.689 literally a minute-by-minute recreation of your life. And I'll give 1752 01:53:03.710 --> 01:53:06.109 an example from a movie. And I always say to people, 1753 01:53:06.149 --> 01:53:09.510 check this out. If you have the DVD of Vanilla Sky, 1754 01:53:10.430 --> 01:53:13.529 the Cameron Crowe movie with Tom Cruise. Do you remember 1755 01:53:13.550 --> 01:53:16.600 the last sequence? Remember the character, David Ames, who Tom 1756 01:53:16.640 --> 01:53:19.180 Cruise plays? It's a guy who's living his life over 1757 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:22.479 and over

again. And he's living the dream. He says 1758 01:53:22.520 --> 01:53:24.680 this a few times. And at the end sequence, he's 1759 01:53:24.720 --> 01:53:29.659 on the top of a skyscraper. And he realizes the 1760 01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:30.979 only way you can break out of this is to 1761 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:35.859 commit suicide. So he says goodbye to his lover, his girlfriend, 1762 01:53:35.890 --> 01:53:41.869 Penelope Cruz. What runs past the Kurt Russell, who's his psychologist, 1763 01:53:42.050 --> 01:53:46.409 who's supposedly controlling him. But in fact, he's not real 1764 01:53:46.630 --> 01:53:50.619 in that sense. And he jumps off the building. And 1765 01:53:50.659 --> 01:53:54.880 as he's coming down, the cigar Ross soundtrack comes on 1766 01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:59.050 the Icelandic ambient band. If you then freeze frame, as 1767 01:53:59.090 --> 01:54:03.189 he starts to fall, you'll find something extraordinary. You'll find 1768 01:54:03.229 --> 01:54:07.770 a series of still images and the still images are 1769 01:54:07.810 --> 01:54:10.520 still images from the life of Cameron Crowe, the director. 1770 01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:15.560 And it starts with his childhood, his teenage years and everything. 1771 01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:20.109 He's effectively reproducing a panoramic life review. as the Tom 1772 01:54:20.170 --> 01:54:23.789 Cruise character falls to his death. This is proof of 1773 01:54:23.869 --> 01:54:27.390 my model, because this is exactly what I say takes place. 1774 01:54:28.550 --> 01:54:31.090 So the question is, so I've proved, I think, where 1775 01:54:31.130 --> 01:54:35.189 the records are held. I also argue that when you're 1776 01:54:35.229 --> 01:54:37.699 in the panoramic life review, you don't just live the 1777 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:41.539 panoramic life review once, you live it thousands of times. 1778 01:54:41.979 --> 01:54:44.140 And at the end of each panoramic life review, you 1779 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:47.300 live another one and another one and another one. And 1780 01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:52.640 I argue that this is because there are literally trillions 1781 01:54:52.699 --> 01:54:56.460 of versions of you in what's called the multiverse, the 1782 01:54:56.479 --> 01:54:59.979 whoever at the third multiverse, the many worlds interpretation of 1783 01:55:00.020 --> 01:55:03.819 quantum mechanics. So if there are trillions of versions of you, 1784 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:09.510 there literally are a record of every single life that 1785 01:55:09.569 --> 01:55:13.930 you can live. Every single outcome of every decision you 1786 01:55:13.970 --> 01:55:20.520 can possibly make is encoded in the huge holographic processed 1787 01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:27.680 virtual reality digital hard drive that the universe runs on 1788 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:30.560 and your brain is able to access this. 1789 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.539 At death this is such a huge concept to try 1790 01:55:33.579 --> 01:55:37.100 and wrap up but based on everything you said it 1791 01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:43.409 seems that there is a collective imaginal or astral realm 1792 01:55:44.390 --> 01:55:50.369 that is just beyond our perception that contains what we 1793 01:55:50.409 --> 01:55:57.439 would understand as the afterlife, the paranormal realm, the extraterrestrial realm, 1794 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:03.579 basically an ecosystem of intelligences that we have access to 1795 01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:08.279 through things like DMT and these near-death experiences, and they 1796 01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:12.260 are part of the near-death experiences. But beyond that, the 1797 01:56:12.539 --> 01:56:18.380 actual death experience is still a complete mystery. and we 1798 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:22.670 still have no information about anyone that has come back 1799 01:56:22.770 --> 01:56:26.989 from the actual death experience. Was that accurate to wrap 1800 01:56:27.050 --> 01:56:27.250 it up? 1801 01:56:29.310 --> 01:56:31.770 Yeah, effectively it is, but I know that there will 1802 01:56:31.810 --> 01:56:33.590 be people that will jump out and go, hold on, 1803 01:56:33.609 --> 01:56:36.800 what about evidence of mediums? What about evidence of people 1804 01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:40.300 who meet dead people? Was Anthony Peake's model of that? 1805 01:56:40.819 --> 01:56:44.640 How does Anthony Peake account for past life. 1806 01:56:46.300 --> 01:56:46.680 Memories? 1807 01:56:47.210 --> 01:56:49.210 When you go back and you're hypnotized to a past 1808 01:56:49.270 --> 01:56:52.920 life when you're a 19th century French peasant. Well, I can, 1809 01:56:52.939 --> 01:56:55.880 and I do. And what I argue is, is that 1810 01:56:56.260 --> 01:57:01.359 we are confusing our individuated consciousness. What I argue is, 1811 01:57:01.619 --> 01:57:04.630 is that all of us living this life now, linearly, 1812 01:57:04.909 --> 01:57:08.890 I call edelons. And effectively, we are like a sprite 1813 01:57:08.949 --> 01:57:11.909 on a computer screen that exists for one game. You know, 1814 01:57:11.930 --> 01:57:13.930 when you play a third-person computer game, you create the 1815 01:57:13.989 --> 01:57:15.829 on-screen sprite, And it runs down a car and it 1816 01:57:16.090 --> 01:57:17.489 goes into a room and gets eaten by a monster. 1817 01:57:18.289 --> 01:57:20.970 I argue that this is how life really works. And 1818 01:57:20.989 --> 01:57:23.909 there are many versions of us, many Eidolons, all of 1819 01:57:23.949 --> 01:57:27.149 which don't have memories of their past life. So they 1820 01:57:27.180 --> 01:57:31.359 only exist once. But after the first game, there is 1821 01:57:31.399 --> 01:57:35.260 a game player who remembers the last life you had. 1822 01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:38.579 And I call that the daemon. And so you imagine 1823 01:57:38.619 --> 01:57:41.310 when you play a game like Tomb Raider, for example, 1824 01:57:41.770 --> 01:57:45.510 the more times

you play it, The more Eidolons you lose, 1825 01:57:45.529 --> 01:57:48.369 the more on-screen sprites die. But in their death, you 1826 01:57:48.409 --> 01:57:52.340 start to understand the environment. You start to know what's where. 1827 01:57:52.380 --> 01:57:55.859 You start to be able to manipulate your on-screen avatar 1828 01:57:56.340 --> 01:58:00.840 to survive for further into the game. Now, the daemon 1829 01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:04.050 is effectively your higher self. The daemon is your voice 1830 01:58:04.090 --> 01:58:07.090 in your head. The daemon is the being that warns 1831 01:58:07.130 --> 01:58:11.979 you about things. The daemon is... that sense of recognition 1832 01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:15.579 of people that come into your life. The daemon has your, 1833 01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:18.880 and sometimes the daemon's memories can leach over into your memories. 1834 01:58:19.310 --> 01:58:21.569 And that's a deja vu. So when you have a 1835 01:58:21.609 --> 01:58:24.770 deja vu, it is effectively you remembering a previous life 1836 01:58:25.869 --> 01:58:29.390 when you encountered this person or this set of circumstances. 1837 01:58:29.979 --> 01:58:32.159 But the daemon remembers that all the time. So the daemon, 1838 01:58:32.500 --> 01:58:34.890 life after life after life, the daemon starts to build 1839 01:58:34.939 --> 01:58:38.090 up a picture. So there's you and your daemon. But 1840 01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:40.750 then I argue that behind, and you are the daemon, 1841 01:58:40.930 --> 01:58:45.590 you are both. But then behind the daemon, and scientifically, 1842 01:58:45.609 --> 01:58:48.210 this is more difficult to prove, but behind the daemon, 1843 01:58:48.229 --> 01:58:50.729 because I can prove the daemon scientifically, by the way. 1844 01:58:51.069 --> 01:58:55.670 So neurologically, I can prove this. But behind that is 1845 01:58:55.710 --> 01:58:59.250 then what I call the uber daemon. And effectively, the 1846 01:58:59.449 --> 01:59:04.680 uber daemon is the collective unconscious, as in young. And 1847 01:59:04.699 --> 01:59:07.840 the uber daemon is the memories of every human being 1848 01:59:07.880 --> 01:59:12.020 that's ever lived. It's the being that has experienced all 1849 01:59:12.100 --> 01:59:16.159 humanity's lives, like the daemon experiences one person's life. This 1850 01:59:16.229 --> 01:59:20.250 experiences everything. Now, when you are hypnotized under certain circumstances 1851 01:59:20.310 --> 01:59:23.470 and go deeper into hypnotism, what happens is you flip 1852 01:59:23.989 --> 01:59:27.890 into demonic consciousness... which means you remember your own life. 1853 01:59:27.930 --> 01:59:30.409 And this is how you can regress back to times 1854 01:59:30.470 --> 01:59:33.850 in your own past because you're in demonic consciousness. But 1855 01:59:33.890 --> 01:59:37.029 if you go deeper, you slip into uber demonic consciousness, 1856 01:59:37.789 --> 01:59:40.590 which means that suddenly

you have memories of being a 1857 01:59:40.829 --> 01:59:45.890 19th century French peasant or Cleopatra or Nero or anybody. 1858 01:59:46.550 --> 01:59:49.229 You're not really reliving a past life that you've had. 1859 01:59:49.569 --> 01:59:53.800 You're tuning into an information field that contains all this information. 1860 01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:56.680 And then I'd argue that, That then if you go 1861 01:59:56.779 --> 01:59:59.710 further down again, and this is where people that take 1862 01:59:59.729 --> 02:00:06.069 5-MeO-DMT find themselves, is this kind of personality-less, ego-less place, 1863 02:00:06.989 --> 02:00:09.789 which I call the Godemon. And the Godemon is the 1864 02:00:09.829 --> 02:00:17.600 equivalent in religious terms of Brahman, the Or-Ain-Soph. It's the program. 1865 02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:22.140 It's the intelligence of everything that exists. And this comes 1866 02:00:22.180 --> 02:00:25.100 down to, and I'll finish here because this works perfectly. 1867 02:00:26.050 --> 02:00:29.090 If you check out one of the most famous stand-up 1868 02:00:29.170 --> 02:00:32.649 comedy routines in recent years, it was the famous guy 1869 02:00:32.710 --> 02:00:36.529 Bill Hicks. And Bill Hicks turns around, and you can 1870 02:00:36.569 --> 02:00:40.100 check this on YouTube. It's so famous. And he turns around, 1871 02:00:40.140 --> 02:00:44.199 and he's spoofing how newscasters work. And he's got this newscaster, 1872 02:00:44.260 --> 02:00:47.479 and he's saying, oh, breaking news. Young man on acid 1873 02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:51.920 realizes that physical reality is only energy brought down to 1874 02:00:51.979 --> 02:00:56.439 walking speed. And he's discovered that we're only one consciousness 1875 02:00:56.520 --> 02:01:01.289 experiencing ourselves subjectively. Now over to Bill for the news. 1876 02:01:01.789 --> 02:01:04.149 And he hits it spot on there. Now, I know 1877 02:01:04.189 --> 02:01:06.850 it's not original to him. Watts used to do it 1878 02:01:06.869 --> 02:01:09.949 and various other people and so many religions. This is 1879 02:01:09.989 --> 02:01:13.369 the core belief of virtually every major religion and every 1880 02:01:13.510 --> 02:01:14.970 esoteric group. 1881 02:01:15.329 --> 02:01:16.050 They know this. 1882 02:01:16.109 --> 02:01:18.689 They know about the daemon. They know about the uber daemon. 1883 02:01:19.260 --> 02:01:21.579 I'm just doing the science of this. I get approached 1884 02:01:21.640 --> 02:01:25.420 by people from these groups all the time saying, my God, 1885 02:01:25.460 --> 02:01:27.939 how have you found this out? You're doing the science, 1886 02:01:28.039 --> 02:01:30.859 what we believe for centuries. I was invited to speak 1887 02:01:30.899 --> 02:01:35.539 at a Sufi monastery. I've been invited to speak. Even 1888 02:01:35.579 --> 02:01:38.060 people like Mormons have come to me and said, do 1889 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:41.640 you know you're doing the science? Scientologists, my concept is 1890 02:01:41.659 --> 02:01:44.840 the thetan and the operating thetan. These are things we 1891 02:01:44.880 --> 02:01:48.619 know subliminally and we all know they're correct. And that's 1892 02:01:48.659 --> 02:01:50.899 why my work resonates with people. And that's why I 1893 02:01:50.939 --> 02:01:52.819 need to get it out there as much as possible 1894 02:01:53.420 --> 02:01:55.439 in the few years I have left on this planet 1895 02:01:55.479 --> 02:01:58.060 before I move into my next iteration. 1896 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:01.770 Well, I love it. I surely resonate with it very much. 1897 02:02:01.810 --> 02:02:03.770 And I want to thank you again for coming on 1898 02:02:03.829 --> 02:02:06.710 and presenting it. Before I let you go, remind the 1899 02:02:06.909 --> 02:02:09.430 audience how they can pick up your books again. 1900 02:02:11.119 --> 02:02:11.859 Yeah, okay, fine. 1901 02:02:12.180 --> 02:02:14.460 Yeah, what I always say to people is I don't 1902 02:02:14.500 --> 02:02:16.619 necessarily want people to buy my books. That's not what 1903 02:02:16.659 --> 02:02:19.140 I do it for. So if you go to your 1904 02:02:19.180 --> 02:02:22.260 local library and you just try and see if they've 1905 02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:23.779 got any of my books on the shelves, and if 1906 02:02:23.819 --> 02:02:26.470 you haven't, just go to the desk and say, I'm 1907 02:02:26.510 --> 02:02:28.489 interested in these books by Anthony Peake. Can you get 1908 02:02:28.510 --> 02:02:30.750 them for me? And they'll get them for you. And 1909 02:02:30.789 --> 02:02:33.409 it's so important because the more libraries that have my books, 1910 02:02:34.029 --> 02:02:37.649 the more people can read my books. And that's important 1911 02:02:37.670 --> 02:02:40.590 to me. And libraries are incredibly important. If you want 1912 02:02:40.609 --> 02:02:43.210 your own copies of the books, go into your local bookshop. 1913 02:02:43.649 --> 02:02:45.670 You can order them from your local bookshop. They're all 1914 02:02:45.710 --> 02:02:49.449 over the States. They're all over America, Australia, New Zealand. 1915 02:02:49.949 --> 02:02:52.939 If you are a foreign language speaker, I've got books 1916 02:02:53.000 --> 02:02:56.380 in virtually every major European language. I mean, recently, two 1917 02:02:56.399 --> 02:02:59.279 of my books have gone into Greek, for example. So 1918 02:02:59.479 --> 02:03:00.460 the books are there if you. 1919 02:03:00.420 --> 02:03:01.920 Want to read them in your own language. 1920 02:03:02.699 --> 02:03:06.899 If you then want to buy the books off Amazon 1921 02:03:07.159 --> 02:03:10.989 or all the major booksellers, they're all there. online if 1922 02:03:11.029 --> 02:03:14.229 you want to listen to the audible all my books 1923 02:03:14.270 --> 02:03:16.689 are inaudible and with the exception of my philip k 1924 02:03:16.720 --> 02:03:19.899 dick book all of them are me reading them so 1925

02:03:20.359 --> 02:03:23.920 you can hear and listen they're on kindle they're on 1926 02:03:24.260 --> 02:03:27.939 various other electric media as well they're everywhere they're even 1927 02:03:27.979 --> 02:03:31.319 in braille so if you're interested in following up on 1928 02:03:31.359 --> 02:03:37.600 my work do so website is anthonypeake.com i'm on facebook 1929 02:03:37.829 --> 02:03:43.229 as anthonypeake I'm also on Instagram. I post regularly, usually 1930 02:03:43.310 --> 02:03:46.670 two or three times a day on both Instagram and Facebook. 1931 02:03:47.050 --> 02:03:49.210 So just go on there. Look at what I've got. 1932 02:03:49.590 --> 02:03:52.600 Follow me. It's going to be difficult for you to 1933 02:03:52.810 --> 02:03:57.680 actually become a friend on Facebook because, of course, 5000, 1934 02:03:57.680 --> 02:04:00.130 you can't go any higher than. And I've been at 1935 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:02.770 that for years, but sometimes I'm able to add people. 1936 02:04:03.529 --> 02:04:06.750 But you can still follow me. Also, my YouTube channel. 1937 02:04:07.069 --> 02:04:10.550 Just look up Anthony Peake YouTube. There are literally, literally 1938 02:04:10.609 --> 02:04:13.390 now hundreds and hundreds of interviews with me out there, 1939 02:04:13.770 --> 02:04:15.770 including this one when it goes out. But there are 1940 02:04:15.810 --> 02:04:18.310 also interviews I've done with a lot of the people 1941 02:04:18.369 --> 02:04:20.949 I talk about, a lot of the major researchers in 1942 02:04:20.989 --> 02:04:24.750 the world who are researching leading-edge work from scientists and 1943 02:04:24.789 --> 02:04:29.979 neurologists to psychologists to experiencers. So just join it. It's really, 1944 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:31.460 really good. It's really exciting. 1945 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:32.500 And we're a community. 1946 02:04:32.539 --> 02:04:35.829 We're an international community. Like, for instance, if you're in 1947 02:04:35.850 --> 02:04:38.529 the States, I'm pretty damn sure I'm going to be 1948 02:04:38.789 --> 02:04:41.510 in Indian Wells again at the end of May next 1949 02:04:41.550 --> 02:04:46.300 year at Contact in the Desert. So try and get 1950 02:04:46.340 --> 02:04:49.319 along to that. There's a growing group of people that 1951 02:04:49.340 --> 02:04:51.699 just come along to meet up with me, and we 1952 02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:54.399 sit around talking all evening. So join us. 1953 02:04:54.399 --> 02:04:54.720 Excellent. 1954 02:04:54.739 --> 02:04:57.779 Thank you again, Anthony. I'll have your links right in 1955 02:04:57.800 --> 02:05:01.460 the description. Definitely love to do this again. There's so 1956 02:05:01.500 --> 02:05:04.180 much more we can get into. 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