บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ FKN Classics 2020: Celestial Creators - Jesus & Lucifer - Urantia Teachings | Joel Garbon

also breakthrough energy technologies, and also an intense interest in world religions and 57 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:25.680 you know, what are some of the real big questions on how are we 58 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.000 addressing those right now? And isn't there a better way to know what the 59 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.360 universe really is made of, how it came about, where it's going, 60 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:40.480 what our destiny is. I was very unsatisfied with what I had found in 61 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:45.560 my life to that point, where you know, being educated, as I 62 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.079 said in a devout Catholic family, which I really appreciated because there was a 63 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:54.040 lot of really great stuff in there, and I do have a lot of 64 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:59.879 respect for Catholicism. But there were a number of these big questions about origin 65 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:06.839 and history and destiny that were not addressed well there. And I found that 66 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:12.879 that really none of the conventional religions on our planet does a good job of 67 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:20.399 addressing these and other big questions in a way that is really complete, coherent, 68 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:27.319 and consistent. There's just so many gaps, and I think anyone who 69 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:33.560 really studies religion at all, and oftentimes folks become quite disenchanted because these these 70 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:41.639 basic impulses to know, the search for truth and understanding, oftentimes just cannot 71 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:47.519 be satisfactorily addressed by these religions, and people oftentimes will fall away as a 72 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:53.759 result. And I think we're seeing that in droves now with the younger people 73 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.199 today. I would say, in your generation, Chris, my observation has 74 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:02.199 been that the church is largely or empty of the younger people. And I 75 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.800 think a lot of it is because, hey, you know, young folks 76 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:10.879 are asking the hard questions and they want to have answers, and they're entitled 77 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.199 to those answers, just like I, you know, I had that thirst 78 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:19.240 for understanding and truth and I haven't found it in mainstream religion. So my 79 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:26.160 mind has always been very open since undertaking this journey to try to see if 80 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:31.040 there are other sources of information that might explain this in greater depth. That 81 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:41.759 led to some interesting experiences along this kind of blended path of you know, 82 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:49.199 ufology, energy science, and interest in religion and metaphysics. So so in 83 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:58.360 I would say about nineteen ninety two, I was introduced to a book that's 84 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:03.360 fairly well known called A Course and Miracles, and of course in Miracles was 85 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:11.519 very profound in my experience, and it really opened up something inside me that 86 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:18.360 that shifted what I would call my own spiritual perception and where I was having 87 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:24.079 a lot of personally profound mystical experiences happening that I don't, you know, 88 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.920 didn't speak too much of to anyone else, and really never had any need 89 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.159 for anyone else to believe it or confirm it it anyway, because what I 90 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:41.919 was experiencing myself was so profound and impactful and was resulting in a transformation in 91 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:46.879 my own life where I really felt like, well, I felt like things 92 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.679 were making more sense, and I felt like I was becoming better, better 93 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:56.080 as a better as a parent. I'm the father of two daughters. I 94 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.840 think I was becoming a better friend, a better man, all these things. 95 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.960 It was was very tangible the fruits of what were going on in this 96 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:09.759 this investigation, and so so that that particular book of course of miracles and 97 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:16.240 the application of of what it teaches was very very helpful to me. Then 98 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:22.240 then a little bit later, I had become pretty closely associated in the the 99 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:30.080 early uh well the beginnings of the Disclosure Project that many of your listeners would 100 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:35.799 be familiar with. That's that's doctor Stephen Greer's a group and all the activity 101 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:43.200 he's organized around the education about ufology. And I had, you know, 102 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.639 a lot of a lot of good interactions with other people associated with that and 103 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:54.679 some some real learning experiences there. A few years later, as I had 104 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:01.320 had come to also be closely associated with the e Seti Ranch, James Gildin's 105 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.960 Ranch, and I've been there many, many dozens of times over the years, 106 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:11.639 well going back to around two thousand and four. While I was up 107 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.879 there, and I was very familiar with the grounds at that time, but 108 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:18.320 I know it was late at night. I just, you know, kind 109 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.879 of happened to be walking along this area and there wasn't anybody around really, 110 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.120 just kind of some large trees and bushes, and I heard these two male 111 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.279 voices speaking, and as I got up close, just walking by, I

112 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.600 heard one of them say to the other, have you ever read a Course 113 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:43.480 of Miracles? Well that immediately grabbed my attention because as I mentioned that, 114 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:48.639 the study and practice of course miracles had been such a profound impact on me. 115 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.200 So I immediately just stopped and listened very carefully. And then the other 116 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:58.320 male voice said, yeah, that's really great. Have you ever read the 117 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:05.200 Ranchip Book? And I thought, what a peculiar name, and I really 118 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.120 noted it like that, and and the other said something very confirmative about yeah, 119 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.639 that's it's something valuable about that book. And then I just I just 120 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.559 moved on. But that question, have you ever read to your answer book? 121 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:24.039 It really stuck with me. And the next day I went to see, 122 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.039 you know, where that area was where these two voices were, and 123 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.240 and really all that's there is just these really tangled bushes. It's not where 124 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.360 any any people would hang out to have a discussion. Is this is right 125 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.559 right? You know, I don't know, probably fifty yards or so from 126 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:48.279 where most people gather out in the sky watching field there at the city Ranch. 127 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.320 But this was a kind of not a not at all place where you 128 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.120 would expect to find two men late at night, where you can't hardly see 129 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:00.879 your hand in front of your face because it's so dark. So I didn't 130 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.159 know what that all meant. But all I all I knew was that some 131 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.879 some type of message had been given. I followed up by by you know, 132 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.159 getting a copy of your antial book, and I start to read it, 133 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:18.320 and very quickly I was impressed by by the quality of the information that 134 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.720 was in there. Now I'll let you know, I I study a lot 135 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.159 of science topics, had studied comparative religions for a long time. Uh you 136 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.320 know, generally, you know, I'm reading things that are are you know, 137 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:39.279 fairly heady information. I don't read, you know, beach romances and 138 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.480 that type of thing. I'm usually reading some some stuff that uh you know 139 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:50.519 requires some rigor, okay. And one of the things that I immediately noticed 140 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:56.600 in your Antier book was the level at which the writing was stated is at 141 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.159 a at least a collegiate maybe even a man master's level, through quite a 142 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:09.879 bit of it. And it was extremely consistent and comprehensive, and what I 143 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:20.759 would say is coherent regarding a wide range of topics that overall harmonize science and 144 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:28.399 philosophy and religion. And it's a thick book, maybe two thousand pages or 145 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:35.080 so, and goes into so much startling detail about each of those topics, 146 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.919 science, philosophy, and religion that I just could not fathom this coming from 147 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:50.480 human sources. And indeed, there is no claim for human authorship. The 148 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:58.240 claim is that there's a commission of celestial personalities from various planets who came together 149 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:05.120 to commit unicate this information to our planet in the nineteen twenties to the mid 150 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:11.240 thirties, and which you know, at that time we were in between World 151 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:18.559 War One and World War two, but very interestingly, we were also right 152 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:24.159 in the midst of all these advances in nuclear physics the nineteen twenties and nineteen 153 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:31.440 thirties. Well, what's an implication there, Well, obviously what we see, 154 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.200 you know, a decade later, we've got nuclear weapons on this planet, 155 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.519 and we all know who those who follow the uthology field. There are 156 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:50.080 so many accounts of contact experiences or observations of UFOs around nuclear facilities things like 157 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:56.879 this, or or supposed communications to contact these where the beings expressed is very 158 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:05.200 deep and dire concern about our planet's unwise use of technology, including you know, 159 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:11.399 nuclear physics because of the arm our destructive capacities that we've developed with it. 160 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.879 So it's very interesting about the timing when the Uranchi book information came along, 161 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:24.039 because it was in advance of what became well known as the Roswell incident. 162 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.279 So many of these other incidents there so very very interesting. So I'll 163 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.279 just kind of kind of leave it at that right now, and you know, 164 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.960 you and I talk a little more now. The origins of the Urania 165 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.919 book is very mysterious. I know there's no real known author. Have you 166 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:48.960 been able to do any more research into the origins of the book? Well, 167 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:56.480 I have gone back to the headquarters of where the

Urancha Foundation is located. 168 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.120 So the book itself, as I said, the information was communicated to 169 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:06.320 a small group of doctors and their associates in the nineteen twenties up to about 170 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:12.200 nineteen thirty five and they had formed quite a large what they called a forum 171 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:18.279 of individuals from from from a wide range of backgrounds and careers, men and 172 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.639 women, you know, kind of like from very professional ranks down to you 173 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:30.080 know, fairly common blue collar ranks and others. And that forum group had 174 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:37.320 quite a role to play in reading the material as it was coming out through 175 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.919 those years, asking questions and then seeing what comes from those questions. And 176 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:47.039 it was kind of like a back and forth exchange for quite a number of 177 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:56.200 years until the information had been communicated in completeness. And then the the what 178 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:02.279 was called the Rancher Foundation was formed in eineteen fifty with the intention to publish 179 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:07.359 this information as a book, and in nineteen fifty five it actually was published. 180 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.119 It was the first edition was released. So that headquarters, where the 181 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:21.000 Rancher Foundation is located and where the communications occurred is in this small mansion in 182 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.680 Chicago. So a couple of years ago I went back there for my first 183 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:29.480 time to meet with the people who were there, who maintained the property and 184 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.160 who's still there's a small group there who meets occasionally or maybe on a weekly 185 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.519 basis to discuss the information. And they were able to give me a lot 186 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.000 of information about the background. I was able to see the library a lot 187 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:47.759 of the photos and things of people who were early associated with this, and 188 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.960 just had an amazing time. It was really really great. I really welcomed 189 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:59.039 the reception they gave me. They knew I was intensely interested and serious about 190 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:03.319 this, and they rose to the occasion to to give me the type of 191 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.559 tour and the information that they could tell I was legitimately seeking. So it 192 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:12.039 was, it was, It was really good. Now, when you look 193 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:21.119 back at all the the religious texts and scriptures throughout the world, it seems 194 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:26.319 to be the same version of the story, just told differently, but

a 195 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:33.799 diluted version throughout every every different ancient text and writing. But the ranch of 196 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:38.079 book seems to bring it all together and brings so much detail into it and 197 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:42.640 and gives a greater understanding, and it seems that there was this h I 198 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:49.279 guess you could say one world type of spiritual practice or belief that used to 199 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:55.960 that used to exist. Yeah, that's a keen observation on your part here, 200 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.559 Chris. So I'm going to give you my perspective on this, and 201 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.079 I will try to differentiate and remember to differentiate between what is you know, 202 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:11.799 Joel Garvin's thoughts and opinions versus what the the celestial authors of the material say. 203 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:18.119 Okay, So, as I mentioned, they claim to be, you 204 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:23.960 know, these celestial beings from many different planets, including beings from this planet, 205 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:32.160 who have been here ever since the beginning of human civilization and even earlier. 206 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:38.640 So they have been witnesses to the history of this planet and the rise 207 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:45.599 of humanity from animal origins through the whole you know, evolutionary process, and 208 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:52.240 they have they have observed history as it's unfolded here, including how primitive man 209 00:19:53.759 --> 00:20:03.240 practiced his original natural religion, which they would call all let's see the word 210 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:11.759 that they use for that is evolutionary religion as opposed to revealed religion. So 211 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:18.319 as as the the evolutionary religions are happening, it's it's it's pretty much unfolds 212 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.359 the way we would expect. You know, primitive man worshiped nature worship you 213 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:29.519 know, lightning, plants, animals, stones, mountains, volcanoes, all 214 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:34.319 these things in the natural world that were very impressive and sometimes fear inspiring or 215 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:41.799 awesome to them. They also we were very curious and fearful of what happens 216 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:47.920 when when their family members and friends die and all of a sudden, this 217 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.079 animated body suddenly has no animation at all, and it had an inherent sense 218 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.240 that something went out of it, you know, And they thought of these 219 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.599 things in terms of ghosts and like, okay, where did that go? 220 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.319 And you know, is it still lingering around? They always had a sense 221 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:10.680 it was still somehow associated with the body, and so they were they were 222 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:15.599 very afraid of this concept of ghosts and spirits and things like that. So 223 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:22.440 later, later religion evolved as a type of you know, ghost cults or 224 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:27.200 spirit cults things like that, and just kind of progressed on like that over 225 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:32.920 a very long periods of times, and we're talking hundreds of thousands of years. 226 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:40.519 And what the Celestio authors of the Ranchibook say is that it wasn't until 227 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:48.079 about five hundred thousand years ago that the first instances of revealed religion happened, 228 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:56.519 and that that was associated with the arrival on this planet of a planetary administrator, 229 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:03.519 a very high order being who was sent to this planet along with a 230 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:14.680 staff of other beings with the mission to teach human beings and advance human culture 231 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.839 on this planet in a lot of basic ways to begin with. So that 232 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:27.119 would be teaching agriculture, basic industry like metalworking, pottery making, animal husbandry, 233 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:33.920 the basics of hygiene, the basics of home building, the basics of 234 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:41.160 culture. From the standpoint of governance, family, Uh, how do you 235 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:48.839 how do you live with civility instead of savagery? Things like this. And 236 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:55.359 then they also imparted the earliest teachings of revealed religion. And this is coming 237 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:03.039 from the the the understanding that these advanced celeste the old beings have of the 238 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:08.880 origin, nature, and history of of you know, the universe at large, 239 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:15.960 including its creator. So they are bringing information about what we might call 240 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:26.000 God. And they imparted relatively simple teachings about about God and the creative universe. 241 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:33.400 And they were only only enough to really make an impression on the the 242 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.599 you know, primitive man's mind. Basic things, but you might say they 243 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:44.480 were kind of like the rudiments of what later became known as the Ten Commandments. 244 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.759 So just kind of simple instructions here and and that was about all that 245 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:53.880 could be handled at that time by the primitive man. But they they that 246 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:04.160 administration from that that planetary administrative being went along quite normally, because this is 247 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:11.759 a normal process that happens, they say, on any inhabited planet where the 248 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:19.200 evolutionary life has resulted

in the arise of human beings from animal origins, that 249 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:26.319 it is normal for at a certain stage in the primitive human progress, there's 250 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:32.519 the arrival of this planetary administrator being and the staff that goes along with that, 251 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:38.079 and so on. Our planet. Apparently that went along pretty well for 252 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:45.279 about three hundred thousand years, and it started from the headquarters world or the 253 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:51.039 headquarters capital of that administrative being in Staff, which they said was located in 254 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:57.480 the Persian Gulf. And what they would do is they would bring to that 255 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:04.319 headquarters city all of the best and brightest from the surrounding tribes and races, 256 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:10.640 and they would educate them there at the headquarters. And after they had imparted, 257 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.799 you know, a good deal, this kind of kind of basic education 258 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.880 for advancing culture, they would send those those best and brightest humans back to 259 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:25.799 their tribes as ambassadors so that they could teach. And then and you know, 260 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:30.359 again, this kept going in successive waves and started to radiate out to 261 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:36.920 to you know, a greater diameter of influence, uh you know, of 262 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:41.920 of the the primitive human culture that was you know, surrounding this this first 263 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:51.359 capital on our planet. Then apparently something went awry where they said there was 264 00:25:51.559 --> 00:26:00.400 a rebellion within our local system of planets, and that the rebellion of occurred 265 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:07.759 at a at a very high level, basically the administrator being of a whole 266 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:15.160 system of nearly six hundred inhabited planets, ours being only one of those six 267 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:25.599 hundred some that that being went into rebellion against the universal administration, and there 268 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:32.720 were devastating consequences that were you know, that impinged on that rebellion, and 269 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:38.640 it resulted in the quarantine of not only our planet, but apparently you know, 270 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:45.440 more than thirty other planets in our local system of world. So now 271 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:52.000 now we were just essentially cut off from what apparently are the normal lines of 272 00:26:52.039 --> 00:27:00.240 communication that exists between inhabited planets, and and there's you know, as they 273 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:07.480 speak of it, their routinely is travel between various beings to to all different 274 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:12.480 kinds of planets. But under the quarantine situation that all you know now was 275 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:18.000 suddenly abridged and not available. There was a lot of chaos that went on, 276 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:26.079 not only in the celestial realms here, but but the great progress in 277 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.680 culture that had been imparted over those three hundred thousand years to the point where 278 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.960 there were there were, you know, cities with you know, megalithic structures 279 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.920 and technology, and and you know, humans were progressing, you know, 280 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.359 to a to a fairly high state of civilization. All of that went into 281 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:53.880 retrograde, and so now man who had become fairly uh sophisticated and noble went 282 00:27:55.039 --> 00:28:02.160 back into a state of barbarism and savagery, and what had been learned became 283 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:08.319 lost. So there was a catastrophic loss of knowledge that had occurred with this 284 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:14.240 rebellion. And there's many, many other fascinating details that go along with it. 285 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.160 But it makes a lot of sense when we go back and we find 286 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:23.640 that increasingly archaeologists as they as they go and they explore and they dig, 287 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:30.079 they uncover their findings. Well, what keeps happening They keep pushing back the 288 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:37.240 dates for when there apparently was sophisticated advanced human culture. Well, if this 289 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:45.839 rebellion that we spoke of occurred as they say, two hundred thousand years ago, 290 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.759 and that at that point two hundred thousand years ago there was high culture 291 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.759 among humans, including cities and technology and all this. Well, that says, 292 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.240 you know, what we've been finding in archaeology so far, which is 293 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.920 kind of just taken back to maybe you know, ten thousand, you know, 294 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.359 year ten thousand BC, let's say, for for you know, go 295 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.440 Beckley Teppe, you know, in Turkey and some of these other sites, 296 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:19.960 you know, but knowing of of earlier human dwellings with much lesser sophistication going 297 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.400 back some tens of thousands of years, what it says is there's tons more 298 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.720 to uncovering. There's all kinds of archaeological opportunities that are going to be out 299 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:36.240 there, much of it supposedly submerged beneath the eastern Mediterranean and in that Persian 300 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:41.920 Gulf area and off the coast of India. That that's where most of the 301 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:48.000 you know, most of the most incredible fines are likely going to be located. 302

00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.279 Now, when you were speaking of the being that rebelled, would this 303 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:59.359 be the same story of Lucifer. Yes, So they do give names, 304 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.559 they don't hesit hate to give names and clarification for who these beings are. 305 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:08.279 So so the way the authors of the Rancher book describe it. Lucifer was 306 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:18.880 a high level being who was essentially the administrator of our local system of approximately 307 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.519 six hundred planets, and that his administration went along, you know, very 308 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:30.519 well, and very normally for someone who had his the trust that had been 309 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:36.680 imparted to him by the universe administrator. And you know, but there came 310 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:42.440 a time where things were going awry in his mind. He was starting to 311 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:53.480 demonstrate a lot of what you might call signs of insubordination and and a degree 312 00:30:53.480 --> 00:31:02.480 of egoic pride and a real restlessness with what they refer to as the divine 313 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:11.480 plan of evolutionary progression, which which a key element of that plan for our 314 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.279 level, for our human level, is that despite us starting at these very 315 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:26.519 low animal origin beginnings, that we gradually evolve and ascend and progress to levels 316 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:40.440 of of of spiritual understanding and experiential glory that goes way past the order of 317 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:48.920 being at which Lucifer was, and at this apparently aggravated him to such a 318 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.359 degree he just could not stand the thought of these lowly humans, pathetic as 319 00:31:53.680 --> 00:32:00.000 as we were and may still are. I guess that we would somehow, 320 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:05.599 I'll be part of a divine plan that had us bypassing him and going on 321 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:12.279 to much much greater heights of universal understanding and experience. And there's good reason 322 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.799 for why why all that plan has art or being doing that. But anyway, 323 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.559 lucifer rebellion is what they called it. They said it impacted this whole 324 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.839 local system. It occurred over over you know, not just in an instant 325 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:35.000 but over some you know, fairly protracted period of years. But basically what 326 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:44.079 happened was that on thirty some inhabited planets, the planetary administrator being also joined 327 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:49.000 the rebellion, and you know ours did from this planet as well. And 328 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.880 they give a name to that being. They say his name was Calagastia. 329 00:32:53.400 --> 00:33:00.880 Now people also say, well, okay, so our Lucifer and Satan are 330 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.039 they the same thing or what's going on? And the authors are very clear 331 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:09.480 and saying no, Lucifer Satan, those are two different beings. They they 332 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:16.599 they have a relationship from the standpoint that while Lucifer was the head administrative being 333 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.720 for our local system of six hundred some worlds, his first lieutenant essentially was 334 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:30.519 Satan, and Satan had more interaction with our planet because part of his role 335 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.400 was to go and to visit the various inhabited planets on on on various assignments 336 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.759 of administration and things like that. So he was well acquainted with our world, 337 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.960 and the celestial beings here were well acquainted with him. But anyway, 338 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:52.200 he was able to essentially recruit Calagaskia, our planetary administrator, to join the 339 00:33:52.279 --> 00:34:00.799 rebellion, under the promise that Calagaskia would essentially be God of the Earth. 340 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:07.200 And they say the name, the celestial name for our planet Earth is called 341 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:13.360 Uranchia, and that the name itself means our place in the heavens. But 342 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.320 anyway, you know, this is how they describe what happened here, and 343 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:23.280 it resulted in planetary havoc for the human race and for culture itself, and 344 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:29.920 caused a lot of problems for other celestial orders who were essentially trapped here on 345 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:36.159 our planet because of the quarantine, and there were rebellions that and defaults that 346 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:40.559 happened in those other celestial realms as well. For instance, many of the 347 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.960 angels effect that it's apparently the majority of the angelic beings that were here also 348 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:55.679 went into the rebellion because they could not conceive of a brilliant administrator like Caligastia, 349 00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:04.239 of being able to make such a gross error as to as to join 350 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.519 something that was uh, that was awry. So they trusted him basically, 351 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.599 so they and they went along and got pulled pulled into that uh. And 352 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.159 there were other orders of being too, where there was you know, quite 353 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.599 a bit of losses due to the rebellion. So it was a sad state 354 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:30.400 of affairs on all levels, and and had had dire consequences to human culture 355 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:37.559 and was the primary reason for the loss of all this knowledge that we had 356 00:35:37.599 -->

00:35:44.559 accumulated for three hundred thousand years and that we have never recovered since. And 357 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.840 and the implications here and the consequences have been you know, why we continue 358 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.400 to have, you know, racial strife, why we continue to be so 359 00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:00.719 ridiculously violent, Why we have so many religions of various beliefs, so many 360 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:07.079 of which, if not all that that are not consistent or coherent or comprehensive 361 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.800 as far as how they explain origin's history and destiny. So there's a lot 362 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.920 of clashes between religions and all these things that we're so familiar with, and 363 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:23.280 not the least of which is the fact that the human life span and our 364 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:30.599 susceptibility to illness and things like this, many of these things do not exist 365 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:37.599 at all on other planets that were not involved in the rebellion and that have 366 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:43.320 progressed have continued to progress along according to the normal plant. Had we been 367 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.360 one of those planets, we would be so far in advance of where we 368 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:52.599 are right now that this planet would be practically unrecognizable. So it's you know, 369 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:59.679 it was a disastrous undertaking that happened to us. Now. Also a 370 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:06.000 good portion of the book UH talks about the life and teachings of Jesus. 371 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.559 What can you tell us about that that that differs from you know, the 372 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:17.599 biblical teachings of Jesus? Yes, so so probably fully uh, Well, 373 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.679 more than a fourth of the book is devoted to the life and teachings of 374 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.519 Jesus and who he is, what his role and mission was, and and 375 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.639 you know where, you know, where do we come into play with with 376 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:38.159 this being called Jesus? You know, first thing they say is that that 377 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:46.280 part of the uh, the way the universal administration of worlds occurs is that, 378 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:58.440 uh, there are various levels of creator beings and administrative beings there's a 379 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:07.119 level called the Creator Suns and the Creator Mother spirits that are jointly responsible for 380 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:15.400 the creation and organization of what they call a local universe. A local universe 381 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:23.039 is a sector of space time that has has millions of stars in it and 382 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.800 perhaps billions of planets, but that eventually is to be inhabited with up to 383 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:38.239 about ten million inhabited planets,

and an inhabited planet is defined as a planet 384 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:45.840 where the evolutionary life has progressed to the point where humans have arisen on it, 385 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:52.639 so it's only considered inhabited when the human order of life has arisen on 386 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:59.960 the planet, and we are described Our order being is described as evolutionary will 387 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:07.400 creatures, meaning that we have a free will prerogative to make moral choices and 388 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:15.920 to know God, to know our Creator. So the Creator Son the creative 389 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:22.360 spirit who organize create the beings that inhabit their local universe. There are certain 390 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:30.039 things that are required of the Creator Son before he can take well have what 391 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:37.440 they would call complete sovereignty over the universe of his own making, and one 392 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:49.239 of those requirements is that he is required to essentially incarnate on seven different orders 393 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.639 of his beings of the beings that he's created. So, for instance, 394 00:39:52.679 --> 00:40:00.639 a creator some would be required to essentially appear as an angel on an angelic 395 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:09.280 level, on the level of the administrator beings like what Lucifer and Satan read 396 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:15.639 and other orders as well. But he's required to have these actual life experiences 397 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:25.599 as a being on seven different orders of being. The final and lowest experience 398 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:35.679 is the incarnation as a human being, and that each Creator Son is required 399 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.800 to do this and when he completes that seventh what they call a bestow. 400 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:46.119 Each of these are our seven bestows that after the final bestow in the in 401 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:52.920 the a life as a flesh and blood human being, and he completes that 402 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:59.280 mission successfully, then he is granted sovereignty over the local universe of his own 403 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:07.039 making. They say that the Creator Son of our local universe incarnated on this 404 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:15.960 planet as Jesus of Nazareth. There's a lot of detail that goes into the 405 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:23.800 the narrative about this uh such such startling detail essentially gives a history of the 406 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:28.480 life of Jesus from the from even before he was born. It gives kind 407 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:34.159 of the genealogy of of his parents, what the what the times were like 408 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.639 on our planet, especially in the Eastern Mediterranean area, you know, and 409 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.440 through in Palestine and all that, what the the the Jewish culture was like 410 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.719

at the time in great, great detail. And then it details essentially his 411 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.440 life as a you know, as an infant and each year, all the 412 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:59.639 way through his whole life in just amazing detail. And it provides so much, 413 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:10.480 so much of a consistent and coherent tapestry of who this person was and 414 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:16.400 is, what his role and mission was, what his teachings were, and 415 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.719 what they were meant to result in. It makes sense, It makes such 416 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:28.320 profound sense to anyone who reads it, you know, studiously and seriously, 417 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.159 you know, as I have, I know many others have, and it's 418 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.280 you know, it's interesting, Chris. You know, when I'm I'm going 419 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:45.239 to go speak at this uf OMEGA conference in Laflin in next month, in 420 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.599 February, and the topic of my presentation is is there a universal religion among 421 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:59.480 the advanced inhabited planets? And much of that talk is going to be based 422 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.480 on the information that's contained in the ur Antia book. And one of the 423 00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:12.440 challenging things in speaking to an audience of many hundreds face to phase on the 424 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:20.599 topic of religion is that religion just strikes the nerves in just about everybody for 425 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:28.320 one reason or another, you know, and the name Jesus strikes a lot 426 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:35.280 of those nerves as well, or even more deeply for various reasons. But 427 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:43.400 the ur Antia book just unabashably calls it out from the standpoint of the celestial 428 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.199 beings, who are just saying, like, look, we've witnessed all of 429 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:52.480 this from the beginning history of your own planet and through the beginning of human 430 00:43:53.039 --> 00:44:00.400 human beings appearing on the planet, and all through your civilization's history. We 431 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.760 were there, we saw it, and we're giving you our account, and 432 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:10.400 we're giving you our understanding of what this all is. And it's it's it's 433 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:16.920 just done in such an articulate and I would say, as I said, 434 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.280 a pretty pretty high level way. This isn't you know, a little kind 435 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.039 of fairy tale stuff that you read to your kids. This is written at 436 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:31.280 a you know, a collegiate or master's level, and it's anyway, it's 437 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:38.280 really impressed me from the standpoint of the comprehensiveness of the material, and it's 438 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.920 it's consistency, and as I said, it's it's coherence It makes sense. 439 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.800 It makes sense when you look back at ancient human history. We used to 440 00:44:54.119 --> 00:45:00.000 have open contact with these celestial beings. It seemed we had a lot more 441 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.400 open contact and things, like you said, just stopped. We lost all 442 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.400 this knowledge at some point. Do you see this ever returning. Do you 443 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.920 see us ever getting back to an age where we can communicate with these beings 444 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.639 again and we will get back some of this lost knowledge that we used to 445 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:25.199 have. Well, it appears that some of that is happening now right with 446 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:31.559 all the contact testimonies that there are, and I believe that many have had 447 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:39.880 actual contact with various celestial beings. The material in the your answer book, 448 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:45.960 it says itself, says, yeah, absolutely, there will be increasing interaction 449 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.079 between beings from other planets on a visible level, on a relational level, 450 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:59.519 and at that is part of the normal transaction of culture and commerce. You 451 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:05.159 know in in the universe that things aren't you know, the way things are 452 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.159 so disordered on our planet are not the norm. You know, we were 453 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:15.199 taken off track to such a serious degree, and we are now such a 454 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:22.360 confused, belaguered little world that we can't even comprehend the way things have progressed 455 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:30.480 on normal worlds and and where where interaction and actual like daily broadcasts from the 456 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.760 universe headquarters to each planet and kind of like what's going on on the much 457 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:43.280 larger stage that that's commonplace. And what it leads to is this breakdown of 458 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:50.559 judgment. Uh, not only within our own order of being. You know 459 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:55.360 that that on this world we have so many judgments between ourselves and people of 460 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.599 of you know, who you know live in other countries or speaking of language, 461 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.239 or have a different skin color, or a different religion, or they 462 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.880 might just be our neighbor. We don't like the way they wash their car. 463 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.039 You know, we have so many different different judgments. But you know, 464 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:15.159 on these other planets, they have they have been educated and and culturated 465 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:22.800 to see a brotherhood among first their own order of being, the human order. 466 00:47:23.280 -->

00:47:30.760 They they come to understand and experience and live authentically the brotherhood of man, 467 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:37.320 and then they extend that increasingly to the brotherhood of all created beings, 468 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.559 that we are all the children of God. And of course this was a 469 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:51.559 primary message of Jesus. His primary message was to be a representative, to 470 00:47:51.639 --> 00:48:00.360 be a the incarnation of the love and mercy of God. And to each 471 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.719 the reality of the brotherhood of man, because we are all the children of 472 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:12.559 the divine, and we have a divine inheritance awaiting us as part of our 473 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:17.639 divine destiny, should we choose it. It's not automatic, it's not imposed 474 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:25.400 on us. There's nothing at all about how the divine relates to our order 475 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:32.519 being. There's nothing at all about it that is coercive or that compels us 476 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:40.559 or commands us. It is simply offered to us. And we have various 477 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.000 celestial influences, including guardian angels who are with us, who they say are 478 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:53.440 very real and extremely important, and the human life and the human progression forward, 479 00:48:54.039 --> 00:49:00.519 you know, being such as those angels, they're continuously nudging us to 480 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:09.000 experience and embrace truth and beauty and goodness, which they describe as the divine 481 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:16.800 qualities. And that is we we more consistently and more frequently choose these experiences 482 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:22.440 of truth, beauty and goodness, that we will start to grow a reality 483 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:28.480 of our own, that is the human soul. That it's actually an evolving 484 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.920 reality that becomes increasingly real with those choices of truth, beauty and goodness. 485 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.440 And which is to say that those same choices are identical with choosing the will 486 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.800 of God. It's not like there's some big bearded being up here who's beating 487 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:47.000 on us that you know, you got to obey me, obey me, 488 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:52.159 obey me. It's not at all like that. It's consistent choices of truth 489 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:58.519 and beauty and goodness which which move us forward. They progress us in our 490 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:07.159 own reality. We become more real and we become much more endowed with spiritual 491 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:15.840 reception, much more likely to receive direct communication from from spirit, from deity 492 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:21.639 to us in a very personal way. And it's it's what you encounter when 493 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:28.519 you see people who who you

might say that person is spirit touched. You 494 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.320 know they they really have something going on. You could tell it by the 495 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.840 person. And these people are good people. You could tell they're good people. 496 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:45.280 They they're they're they're just tremendously motivated to to discover uncover more truth. 497 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.000 They want to have understanding. They want to be of high service on this 498 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.360 planet. You know, they are loving people. They're trying to to to 499 00:50:53.519 --> 00:51:00.280 Minister. They believe that that there is there is a loving, beneficent God. 500 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:06.960 They believe that it makes sense that there's a brotherhood and sisterhood of humanity, 501 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:14.880 and it's not surprising that their spiritual perception and receptivity has blossomed along with 502 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:22.199 that. So now you know, when you're talking about angels and spirituality and 503 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.920 then you look at UFO research, I'm very disappointed in some of this UFO 504 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:34.239 research lately because I don't think they're connecting dots. I believe that the metaphysical, 505 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.920 paranormal, UFOs, extraterrestrials, you know, spiritual beings, angels, 506 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:45.360 I think it's all connected. And you know, these fields of research they 507 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.480 keep each other separated, They don't communicate with each other enough. And I 508 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.239 think that if they came together and started researching this as a whole phenomenon, 509 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.559 that we could learn so much more about it. What are your thoughts on 510 00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:00.880 that? Well, yeah, I think that that's a great inside Chris. 511 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:07.400 There there is a lot of turf protection in the ufology field, just like 512 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:15.079 in any field of research. And you know, the the development of ego 513 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:21.119 is on fertile territory, you know, and any any realm or research. 514 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:25.559 And I would say, uh, it's very typical in human observation. That 515 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:35.519 is, people become more expert more recognized that there is a temptation toward becoming 516 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.119 you know, more prideful, maybe even more arrogant, and very defense of 517 00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:45.880 about one's own research. And I see this in the science field all the 518 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.960 time. You know. I've dealt with with with hundreds and hundreds of very 519 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:58.000 very uh, very knowledgeable scientists, some some of some renown as well, 520 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.639 and have observed these traits. And I've always been very curious that, you 521 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:09.320 know, you know, people who are very very intelligent, who aren't willing 522 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:15.400 to look at the data of somebody else. They become very closeted and dogmatic 523 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.760 about their own research, and I feel very threatened when there's something else that 524 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:25.480 essentially is a new discovery. And I find that very intellectually dishonest from a 525 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:30.400 science level anyway, because of course science is meant to be the pursuit of 526 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.119 truth, and so when it happens in the field of uthology, it's not 527 00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:39.000 surprising. This seems to be the human nature here. But one of the 528 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:47.320 things that I love about the Urantia material is it shows the harmony between all 529 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.480 of these orders you mentioned, you know, so whether it's the angelic level, 530 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:58.800 other spiritual beings, whether they are they might just be advanced human beings 531 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.119 on other planets who have technology to travel the universe. It might be beings 532 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:08.559 in between. It might be beings that just are solely of mind nature with 533 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:13.960 no material nature at all, you know, or in all kinds of things 534 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.960 in between. The ranch of Books speaks of all of that, and it 535 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:22.400 speaks of, you know, how they were created. It speaks of what 536 00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.519 their roles and missions are. It speaks of, you know, where do 537 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:34.920 they hail from. There's so much intense detail about this that that I believe 538 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:40.280 reading this material seriously, and it's and it's a heavy study, you know, 539 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:45.000 two thousand pages, and it would take I would say the average human 540 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.559 would take at least a year to read it all with any type of comprehension 541 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.440 at all. Then, like I've been reading it for fifteen years. Others 542 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.440 who I study with, you know, some of them up to fifty years, 543 00:54:54.519 --> 00:55:00.280 they've been reading the material. So I'm just a neophyte at fifteen year. 544 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:07.039 But I but I have increasingly been encouraging my contacts in the UFO research 545 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:13.840 field to read the Ranchier Book because I think it can help inform them in 546 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.719 their own field of research. And I just say, you will And I 547 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.639 just told them, I said, you will find it self evident if you 548 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:27.119 were to do that, because if you're doing the archaeological part, you'll find 549

00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.119 so much information about the archaeology you might it might even pinpoint where you should 550 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:35.719 be looking. You know, if you're looking at how do you harmonize the 551 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:40.400 philosophy that we're hearing from the testimony of contact ees? Uh, you know, 552 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.400 how we harmonize that with the science aspect that's in there too. How 553 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.360 do we harmonize where are they coming from physically? You know, where are 554 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.440 these planets located? Such and such, you know, or such things as 555 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:59.119 a planetary rebellion, because that's not a new theme either. You know, 556 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.400 it's certainly been in the world religions for for you know, thousands of years. 557 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.159 And I'm not just saying Judaism or Christianity. You know, the idea 558 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:12.199 of a rebellion is all over this. You know, demons and angels and 559 00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.679 and and you know demi urges and you know, beings of light, all 560 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.360 that kind of thing. I mean, it's all over the place. So 561 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:24.400 there's something for everybody to learn and to and to advance their own research. 562 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.440 I believe in in reading this, even if you just read it like a 563 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.280 I don't read it like a novel. But as you read it like a 564 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.800 novel, pretty quick you're going to say, I don't know any human novelist 565 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:45.719 of this skill and this knowledge based and this wisdom. Because even if you 566 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.920 took out all of the science references or anything about orders of being, any 567 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:55.400 of that stuff, there is so much wisdom that hits you on the side 568 00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:01.480 of the head and in the heart throughout the book. It's just nothing like 569 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.599 it I've found in my experience. Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm very much 570 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.880 looking forward to your presentation. For the last few minutes that we have. 571 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:15.559 Why don't you tell us more about the New Energy Movement and some of the 572 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.440 research and developments that are going on right now. So, the New Energy 573 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:25.079 Movement is a nonprofit that was founded back in two thousand and three, and 574 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:30.679 I was part of that first group who came together to form the organization and 575 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:37.159 served as a second president and then four eleven years and then a couple of 576 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:43.519 years ago I handed over the reins to the new president, Susan Manowitch. 577 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:49.039 And what we have, you know, done with the organization over all these 578 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:53.119 years is execute a mission that's that is largely to educate about what's going on 579 00:57:53.199 --> 00:58:00.199 behind the scenes and breakthrough energy technologies, and we also have served as as 580 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:07.000 advocates for the inventor community who are working on these these breakthrough uh technologies. 581 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:13.599 Many of the inventors, if not all of them, have labored for for 582 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:21.360 very long times in in uh well, what I would say are very compromised 583 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.599 conditions, both from the standpoint of funding for their research or sometimes you know, 584 00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:34.599 even like trying to to keep uh you know, destructive forces from disrupting 585 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.639 their research once once they demonstrate that they actually have something that's that's uh, 586 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:45.280 you know, of of significant impact, and kind of all things in between, 587 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.360 you know, because being an inventor and I am one, so I 588 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.480 know what it you know, what it takes to go from the idea on 589 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.719 the back of a napkin to a to a fully successful commercial technology. There's 590 00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:01.119 so many stages in between where to bring re sources to the inventor community is 591 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:07.159 a very very valuable service and we've we've tried to perform that well. Uh 592 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.880 So there's a number of inventors who who I've interacted with over the years and 593 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:17.840 continue to and a number of discrete projects that I'm working on, uh some 594 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:25.960 in confidence to to help with the resourcing of technologies of promise and UH and 595 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:30.360 to try to help help get the inventor on uh, you know, on 596 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:37.119 attract that is sustainable. So it's been a fascinating ride. And I would 597 00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:43.280 say in some ways because of what I've been able to witness over the years, 598 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.440 it's it's like we're, you know, looking behind the wizard's curtain. 599 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:51.119 I'm kind of seeing, you know, what's what's going on. And it's 600 00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:55.159 been quite an education for me, uh, you know, and there's been 601 00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:01.559 as I said before about science in general, it's been interesting to see how 602 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:07.360 egos interplay. You know, if suddenly you feel like from your research you've 603 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:15.880 invented something that will make oil obsolete, the temptations that go along with that 604 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:22.800 in the mind of an inventor are

immense. And I've watched some take themselves 605 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:28.960 down because of the personality distortion that occurred. And these are people who had 606 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.400 real working technologies, right, it's a real problem. One of the things 607 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:39.440 that I always try to do with the inventors is is to encourage them to 608 01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:46.880 rediscover their humble gene and try to remind them. So many of them would 609 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:53.400 say that they were given a vision or a download or what have you, 610 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:59.960 so they know that the ideas aren't originating in themselves. It's actually information that's 611 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.960 that's come to them. And I would say probably the majority of them definitely 612 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:09.159 believe there's extraterrestrial life and believe that, you know that it's been visiting here 613 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:14.679 for some time, and that there is technology and ideas and things like that 614 01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:22.039 that are being seated here. So to have them remember that these ideas have 615 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:30.800 been gifted to them, to maintain the humility about that experience, and don't 616 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:34.480 all of a sudden think that, you know, you should be the bill 617 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:39.159 gates of free energy or something like that, because that's a that's a pretty 618 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:43.519 blind path to go down, and it's taken a number of folks down with 619 01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:49.880 it. Now, are there any new energy technologies that you can talk about 620 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:54.360 maybe something we could look forward to in the near future. Well, I 621 01:01:54.400 --> 01:02:04.639 think that there's a few classifications of technology rather than speaking about any particular inventor. 622 01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.320 You know, the the class of technology that's come to be known as 623 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:15.280 cold fusion does have some real promise to it. It's been very slow in 624 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:22.000 developing over the years because there's been a lot of dissension about the theory of 625 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:28.840 how it actually occurs. How do you end up getting excess heat from you 626 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:36.280 know, these combinations of common materials. You know, oftentimes you know, 627 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:43.119 heavy water and you know, the application of of some current through the water 628 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:50.159 through electrolysis processes, things like that, and other processes where they might be 629 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:55.840 be heating up hydrogen gas in the presence of various catalysts like nickel and some 630 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.039 other things. And a number of those have been just drived you know, 631 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:05.079 in the literature, and some of them even have gotten very high levels of 632 01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.440 funding and things like that. But that cold fusion field in general, that 633 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:15.280 will eventually result in some commercial technologies, you know, something it's going to 634 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:19.199 happen within you know, three years, five years, a decade. But 635 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:27.320 it has advanced to the point where it's very repeatable and it's definitely over unity 636 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:32.559 and that you're you're getting more energy out from the apparent energy input going into 637 01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:37.559 the process. That's not to say energy is being created, it's just that 638 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:39.960 you know, there are forms of energy that we're not very good at measuring 639 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:46.920 that become manifest in the process in forms that we can readily use like light 640 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:52.039 or heat, or mechanical power or electrical power, you know. So that's 641 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:58.599 one that's one realm of technology. There are others that are plasma based that 642 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:02.320 show quite a bit of promise. I had worked with uh, you know, 643 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.400 one researcher for for a few years on that and it was very exciting 644 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:14.880 to see some of that technology. So there'll be plasma based technologies. There's 645 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:20.679 some others that are based on on principles of magnetism, uh, you know, 646 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:26.840 magnetic motors. People might hear about that at times. And also there's 647 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:32.599 some solid state, you know, magnetic devices, solid state meaning there's no 648 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:38.480 moving parts, but they're they're using they might be using a type of switching 649 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:47.159 of current uh with a microprocessor in ways that that allows uh electric electricity to 650 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:53.920 be extracted from it. And you know, there's and there's some other mechanical 651 01:04:54.079 --> 01:05:02.400 power type of devices that are using novel applications of compressed air or or or 652 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:11.760 you know, compressed water that I have found that there's there's principles of geometry 653 01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:17.800 and acceleration of fluid that can result in an overunity effect as well, and 654 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:25.039 like some of those technologies trace their roots back to a well known Austrian researcher 655 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:30.840 named Victor Schauberger, So some of those are going to be coming out too, 656 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.000 perhaps even sooner than than the cold fusion technologies. So anyway, that's 657 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:40.199 kind of a handful, small handful of of some of these, So there's 658 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.960 stuff going on.

It's there. Definitely are quite a few different overunity technologies 659 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:53.719 on this planet right now that are in processes of development and eventual commercialization. 660 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:59.320 So of that I can say for a fact because I have seen experienced several 661 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.400 of those, so you know they're there. But of course for every one 662 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:09.239 of those, there's probably one hundred frauds or hoaxes out there right be discerning. 663 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:12.400 Well, very good, Well, thank you so much. Don't for 664 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.320 coming by tonight. Before you head out, let everyone know where they can 665 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.960 find you work. Well, I think that the the what I would best 666 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:26.159 recommend right now is if you're interested in the new energy field and those comments 667 01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.960 I made about that, go to New Energymovement dot org new Energymovement dot org 668 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:35.920 and you can see, you know, things on that website and what the 669 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:41.079 mission is. There's also a lot of you know, videos and things, 670 01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:46.519 some conference presentations. You can also google my name Joel Garbin and you can 671 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.440 find some things there. But I also for the folks who are interested in 672 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:56.159 the discussion about the Rancho material and what the value of that is for I 673 01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:00.360 think all areas of human study. To increase understanding. You can go to 674 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:05.280 a number of different websites. The one I like the most it's just simply 675 01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:13.679 called truthbook dot com. Truthbook dot com, and you can you can listen 676 01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:19.519 online to the book being read. You can find all different kinds of historical 677 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:25.760 research about the book and all different topics and it addresses. UH. There's 678 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:30.000 there's a lot of really cool videos in there, including videos about the cosmology 679 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:35.599 that the book describes. Some of them are really very professional and beautifully done. 680 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:41.639 So that's a great place to start truth truthbook dot com. Or you 681 01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:45.679 can just go type in your ranch you are a n T I A. 682 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:50.079 You'll find all kinds of things there. One thing I would caution you against, 683 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:57.559 though, because the material is very controversial, especially in the world of 684 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:04.159 conventional mainstream religion. You will find a lot of naysayers of the Ranch material 685 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:11.760 here. But what I have found consistently is that those who are criticizing it, 686 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.319 especially the ones who criticize it most vehemently, have not read it. 687 01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:20.520 It's just like getting someone being a critic of a movie who's never seen the 688 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:27.239 movie. It's absurd, Okay, So bear that in mind and do your 689 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.399 own research and come to your own conclusions. Very good. Well, thank 690 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:33.600 you so much again, Joel. Look forward to seeing you in February, 691 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.760 and you have a great rest of your night. Thank you too, brother. 692 01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:38.720 Take care of Chris.