บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Deputy DA John McKinney is Running for LA City Attorney

years 35 00:01:57.329 --> 00:02:00.730 as a prosecutor. Why city attorney? 36 00:02:01.659 --> 00:02:04.799 Well, I believe that it's time for me to take 37 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:08.460 everything I've learned across my life and across my professional 38 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.870 career to another level. to a place where I can 39 00:02:11.990 --> 00:02:16.129 fight for more people in more contexts than just a 40 00:02:16.189 --> 00:02:20.810 criminal context. As a district attorney, I've been fighting to 41 00:02:20.870 --> 00:02:25.960 protect communities and victims from crime over 28 years. And 42 00:02:26.310 --> 00:02:28.960 now I want to continue to do that as city attorney, 43 00:02:29.740 --> 00:02:33.599 albeit with misdemeanor crimes. But I also am more intrigued 44 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:38.009 by The city attorney's ability to fight for workers, to 45 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:41.949 fight for renters, to fight for home providers, too, who 46 00:02:42.090 --> 00:02:47.590 are often victimized by scam artists, to fight any intrusion 47 00:02:47.629 --> 00:02:50.530 into L.A. space, whether it be from the Trump administration 48 00:02:50.740 --> 00:02:51.719 or the state government. 49 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:54.400 Including ICE, I assume. 50 00:02:54.500 --> 00:03:01.219 Absolutely. ICE, Trump. even when the state intrudes upon the 51 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:02.500 interests of Los Angeles. 52 00:03:03.139 --> 00:03:06.300 So does that mean that law enforcement shouldn't be cooperating 53 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:07.199 with ICE in your view? 54 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:12.099 Under our sanctuary city laws, that's absolutely correct. LAPD should 55 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:16.530 not be cooperating with ICE when it comes to immigration enforcement. 56 00:03:17.409 --> 00:03:19.569 And you're good with those sanctuary city laws? 57 00:03:19.729 --> 00:03:22.750 Absolutely. I would have to be as city attorney. My 58 00:03:22.770 --> 00:03:25.590 job is not to impose laws. You know, my feelings, 59 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:28.490 whatever they might be, it's to defend the city and 60 00:03:28.530 --> 00:03:29.750 enforce the city's laws. 61 00:03:30.090 --> 00:03:34.090 But city attorneys do get to prioritize. You might not say, oh, well, 62 00:03:34.169 --> 00:03:35.930 I don't like that law, so I won't enforce it. 63 00:03:36.270 --> 00:03:38.449 But what you can do is say, you know, I'm 64 00:03:38.469 --> 00:03:41.750 going to spend more time, say, jailing homeless people and 65 00:03:41.810 --> 00:03:45.990 protesters and less time going after, you know, crooked landlords 66 00:03:46.270 --> 00:03:49.090 and scamsters, for example. 67 00:03:49.469 --> 00:03:52.270 That's true. So-called prosecutorial discretion. 68 00:03:52.509 --> 00:03:52.629 Right. 69 00:03:53.099 --> 00:03:56.199 I've been a big critic of that political use or 70 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:59.379 personal use of prosecutorial discretion in the past. I know 71 00:03:59.419 --> 00:04:01.530 you and I didn't agree, but I thought that George 72 00:04:01.590 --> 00:04:07.050 Gascon used prosecutorial discretion in that way. I will not 73 00:04:07.090 --> 00:04:07.449 do that. 74 00:04:07.870 --> 00:04:11.650 Well, since you went there, you were a DA, you 75 00:04:11.669 --> 00:04:16.189 were a prosecutor under Gascon and now under Hockman. And 76 00:04:16.490 --> 00:04:19.550 at the time you said when running for his job, 77 00:04:20.410 --> 00:04:24.050 that you would be the anti-Gascon. What did you mean 78 00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:24.389 by that? 79 00:04:25.350 --> 00:04:31.079 Well, George Gascon instituted a lot of blanket policies, like 80 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:32.839 we're always going to do this and we're never going 81 00:04:32.860 --> 00:04:35.160 to do that. I was a big critic of that 82 00:04:35.300 --> 00:04:39.500 way of running the DA's office because every incident, every crime, 83 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.519 if you will, is unique and should be judged on 84 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.600 the merits of of the particular facts and circumstances of 85 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.259 that case. That was my biggest problem with George Gascon, 86 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:50.540 were the blanket policies that he instituted. 87 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.680 But some of it, I mean, from our last conversation, 88 00:04:53.860 --> 00:04:57.939 was really about the, not just the blanket, but the 89 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:02.699 spirit behind it. You know, the progressive prosecutor movement in 90 00:05:02.750 --> 00:05:06.730 this country, if you will, because of things like removing 91 00:05:06.970 --> 00:05:13.250 gang enhancements. and really focusing on alternatives to incarceration? 92 00:05:13.970 --> 00:05:18.750 No, I've always been a proponent of having a fuller 93 00:05:18.790 --> 00:05:23.240 toolbox and having more options for people who run afoul 94 00:05:23.250 --> 00:05:28.339 of the law, if you will. And incarceration has been 95 00:05:28.500 --> 00:05:31.240 used by me because I've been prosecuting murder cases, so 96 00:05:31.259 --> 00:05:34.639 there really is no alternative to incarceration when you're prosecuting 97 00:05:34.699 --> 00:05:37.680 a murderer. But I'm a big proponent of a lot 98 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.259 of progressive ideas that My problem with George Gascon is, 99 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.329 what did he say? He said, we're never going to 100 00:05:43.490 --> 00:05:46.670 use gang enhancements, not that we're going to use them 101 00:05:46.790 --> 00:05:50.589 in the appropriate cases. That's where it may have appeared 102 00:05:50.629 --> 00:05:54.569 that I was against limiting the use of certain enhancements. 103 00:05:55.089 --> 00:05:58.470 I was against the blanket policies of always doing something 104 00:05:58.550 --> 00:05:59.569 or never doing something. 105 00:05:59.889 --> 00:06:01.779 And where are you on the death penalty, for example? 106 00:06:01.860 -->

00:06:03.879 I mean, we're talking about blanket policies. 107 00:06:04.370 --> 00:06:07.050 Well, I'll tell you where I'm not as city attorney 108 00:06:07.269 --> 00:06:09.670 is enforcing or seeking the death penalty. 109 00:06:09.689 --> 00:06:12.759 Well, of course, because misdemeanors don't carry that. Nevertheless, it 110 00:06:12.819 --> 00:06:16.279 speaks to a philosophical standpoint. 111 00:06:16.379 --> 00:06:19.720 Well, I'll tell you philosophically and professionally, my job is 112 00:06:19.779 --> 00:06:22.560 to enforce the law. The death penalty is the law 113 00:06:22.579 --> 00:06:25.829 of California. Voters have still not voted it away. We 114 00:06:25.850 --> 00:06:28.430 keep waiting for it. I keep expecting it to happen. 115 00:06:29.170 --> 00:06:31.370 And when it happens, and I think it will happen, 116 00:06:31.430 --> 00:06:33.110 I won't be out in the street jumping up and 117 00:06:33.149 --> 00:06:36.810 down complaining about it. But as a prosecutor, you commit 118 00:06:36.930 --> 00:06:40.970 to enforcing the law as it's written, and there's no 119 00:06:41.009 --> 00:06:43.589 way around it. So I think the current DA has 120 00:06:43.649 --> 00:06:47.259 a process by which he evaluates cases for the death penalty, 121 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.300 but he has never sought a death penalty so far 122 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.120 in his nearly two years in office. I do think 123 00:06:53.180 --> 00:06:57.120 that the standard for seeking death should be extraordinarily high. 124 00:06:57.730 --> 00:07:00.689 and only in cases where there is no dispute about 125 00:07:00.730 --> 00:07:05.050 the identity of the perpetrator. But again, as city attorney, 126 00:07:05.089 --> 00:07:07.629 that wouldn't be something I would ever have to consider. 127 00:07:07.740 --> 00:07:10.379 I mean, but we're looking at, you know, where you 128 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:14.220 are on the spectrum of law enforcement, on the spectrum 129 00:07:14.259 --> 00:07:17.939 of prosecutors, and in terms of enforcing not just the 130 00:07:17.980 --> 00:07:20.220 letter of the law, but the spirit of what voters 131 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:22.680 here in L.A. County and in the city have said 132 00:07:23.180 --> 00:07:25.000 time and time again, which is that we want to 133 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:25.620 care first. 134 00:07:26.870 --> 00:07:27.069 Right. 135 00:07:27.189 --> 00:07:29.230 And I believe in care first. If you look over 136 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.490 the course of my career, for example, when I first 137 00:07:31.529 --> 00:07:33.620 started in a DA's office in the 90s, I was 138 00:07:33.649 --> 00:07:40.259 a full-time misdemeanor prosecutor. Virtually never sought jail for any misdemeanors, 139 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.740 you know, because what's the point of that? I always 140 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.600 sought community service or community labor. I thought that was 141 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.319 always a better use of a person's time and a 142 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.120 better way to hold a person accountable for a misdemeanor 143 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.529 violation than going to jail. Jail is not an option 144 00:07:57.569 --> 00:08:01.910 for misdemeanors unless the person is truly dangerous. There's just 145 00:08:01.949 --> 00:08:04.410 no room left in our jails for anybody other than 146 00:08:04.449 --> 00:08:05.930 a serious or violent offender. 147 00:08:06.089 --> 00:08:08.470 But they do it to protesters all the time in 148 00:08:08.529 --> 00:08:08.949 this city. 149 00:08:09.490 --> 00:08:11.069 Well, I've never done it to a protester. 150 00:08:11.629 --> 00:08:13.110 And you don't plan to? 151 00:08:13.149 --> 00:08:17.240 And I've said publicly, I will not prosecute a protester. 152 00:08:17.939 --> 00:08:20.300 Well, what you said at the California Voices Town Hall 153 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.620 was that you wouldn't prosecute them unless they were breaking 154 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.540 the law. You can't prosecute anyone unless they're breaking the law. 155 00:08:25.899 --> 00:08:27.839 So where is the line? You know what I mean? 156 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.810 Because am I standing on a median and that's against 157 00:08:30.870 --> 00:08:34.539 the law? I mean, we know that sometimes cops and 158 00:08:34.610 --> 00:08:38.870 sometimes prosecutors use any little thing to go after protesters. 159 00:08:38.929 --> 00:08:41.629 So what do you mean by that? Unless they're breaking 160 00:08:41.669 --> 00:08:41.990 the law. 161 00:08:42.049 --> 00:08:48.049 Well, I'll tell you, for me, protesters are not breaking 162 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:51.409 the law unless they're engaged in acts of violence or 163 00:08:51.509 --> 00:08:57.659 threats of violence. Or some obstructions that really threaten large 164 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.419 groups of people. For example, walking out onto the freeway 165 00:09:00.460 --> 00:09:03.559 and shutting down a freeway for thousands of people, many 166 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.460 of whom may be rushing to get kids or go 167 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:08.200 to a hospital or whatever it might be. Throwing rocks 168 00:09:08.299 --> 00:09:13.820 at police officers, setting things on fire, spray painting public buildings, 169 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:15.990 things like that, like crimes. 170 00:09:16.070 --> 00:09:19.049 So spray painting buildings goes in the category of violence? 171 00:09:19.509 --> 00:09:21.870 No, but it goes into the category of crime and 172 00:09:21.909 --> 00:09:25.019 not protesting. I don't believe protesters are out there to 173 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:28.620 destroy public property. I think there are people that use 174 00:09:28.710 --> 00:09:32.490 protests as a pretext or a guise for committing crimes. 175 00:09:32.710 --> 00:09:33.570 For sure that happens. 176 00:09:33.590 --> 00:09:35.570 And we can separate the wheat from the chaff when 177 00:09:35.610 -->

00:09:38.250 it comes to protesters versus people who are out there 178 00:09:38.690 --> 00:09:41.129 being provocative to the point of committing crimes. 179 00:09:41.169 --> 00:09:43.690 I think the freeway example is a good example because 180 00:09:44.470 --> 00:09:47.200 there is a line, like protests is not supposed to 181 00:09:47.299 --> 00:09:51.629 necessarily fit into the box of what the cops or 182 00:09:51.669 --> 00:09:53.879 the prosecutors or even the politicians. 183 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:55.919 Civil disobedience is part of politics. 184 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.970 Right. So when John Lewis walks onto a bridge where 185 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.820 someone may be trying to drive, you know, is that 186 00:10:03.220 --> 00:10:03.679 a crime? 187 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.169 Well, I wouldn't prosecute anyone of John Lewis's stature. 188 00:10:08.250 --> 00:10:10.830 Of course, but when John Lewis started doing that, he was, 189 00:10:10.850 --> 00:10:13.450 you know, he was a young person just like these 190 00:10:13.490 --> 00:10:14.830 college kids that are doing it now. 191 00:10:14.929 --> 00:10:15.110 Yeah. 192 00:10:15.129 --> 00:10:18.720 When I look at the historic protests. I think they 193 00:10:18.740 --> 00:10:22.919 were very effective. They were very well organized. And oftentimes, 194 00:10:23.019 --> 00:10:26.230 when people engaged in an act of civil disobedience, it 195 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.789 didn't threaten the welfare of other people. They didn't shut 196 00:10:29.830 --> 00:10:34.769 down whole freeways. I've never seen that historically. They did 197 00:10:35.009 --> 00:10:37.769 sit in the streets, and oftentimes those were very orchestrated. 198 00:10:37.830 --> 00:10:40.029 They called the police chief ahead of time and say, look, 199 00:10:40.049 --> 00:10:42.289 we're going to do a protest. We want our people arrested. 200 00:10:42.309 --> 00:10:47.080 You're talking about like maybe NAACP, but not the Black Panthers. 201 00:10:48.220 --> 00:10:50.919 I mean, you know, it depends which protesters we're talking about. 202 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.379 I mean, I think they did shut down. I mean, 203 00:10:54.419 --> 00:10:58.370 you know, I'm the daughter of two protesters. So I've 204 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.470 seen the spectrum and they did do things that were 205 00:11:01.529 --> 00:11:05.610 considered so-called illegal because they were trying to change unjust laws. 206 00:11:06.769 --> 00:11:10.309 The test isn't whether a protester does something illegal. It's 207 00:11:10.389 --> 00:11:15.269 whether or not The illegality is serious, it's threatening, it's violent, 208 00:11:15.370 --> 00:11:21.049 it's destructive. That category of cases I will prosecute. If 209 00:11:21.149 --> 00:11:27.799 it's sitting in, if it's minor disturbances, minor trespasses, that's 210 00:11:27.899 --> 00:11:29.620 all part of the protest culture. 211 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:33.279 So if you're protesting

like it's 1952, it's okay, but 212 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.019 not like it's 2027. 213 00:11:35.019 --> 00:11:41.250 1952, 2027. 2022, if it's violent, threatening, or destructive, it 214 00:11:41.289 --> 00:11:44.250 will be prosecuted under me. I just can't see any 215 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:46.009 other way forward as a city attorney. 216 00:11:46.889 --> 00:11:49.730 We're talking with John McKinney. He is an attorney now 217 00:11:49.970 --> 00:11:54.789 in the district attorney's office here in Los Angeles, and 218 00:11:54.809 --> 00:11:58.409 he's running for city attorney, which is a whole different department. 219 00:11:58.710 --> 00:12:01.009 We don't track it enough. It's super important, has to 220 00:12:01.049 --> 00:12:03.070 do with a lot of things that may touch you 221 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:07.850 in your everyday life. Anything misdemeanor, anything city policy, advising 222 00:12:07.889 --> 00:12:11.850 the mayor, advising the city council. We'll continue this conversation 223 00:12:11.889 --> 00:12:14.850 when we come forward, only right here. He is an 224 00:12:14.970 --> 00:12:18.970 LA County deputy district attorney with almost three decades on 225 00:12:19.009 --> 00:12:21.049 the job. John McKinney is here. He wants your vote 226 00:12:21.429 --> 00:12:26.210 for city attorney. You have the endorsement of your current boss, 227 00:12:26.690 --> 00:12:33.860 Nathan Hockman, and a lot of former DAs, right? Steve Cooley, 228 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:38.059 I believe, Jackie Lacey. And for those of us who 229 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.980 are progressives, Jackie Lacey, I mean, there was a whole 230 00:12:41.019 --> 00:12:45.039 campaign to remove her from office because she refused to 231 00:12:45.100 --> 00:12:50.539 hold police accountable, because she liberally utilized the death penalty, 232 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:52.799 and it was all of the people she was sending 233 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:57.580 up were black and Latino. So How can you reassure 234 00:12:57.659 --> 00:13:01.820 progressives that those endorsements do not signal a return to 235 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.059 the bad old days of policing and prosecution? 236 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:10.340 Well, I'd like to think that I have those three 237 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:14.250 endorsements because those are people that I worked for collectively 238 00:13:14.299 --> 00:13:17.710 now 22 years. So they actually know me. They know 239 00:13:17.730 --> 00:13:20.870 my work ethic, my dedication, my intelligence, how I deal 240 00:13:20.909 --> 00:13:24.009 with people. And I think they've endorsed me because of 241 00:13:24.169 --> 00:13:27.009 who I am, not because of who they were. I 242 00:13:27.029 --> 00:13:29.710 will not be Steve Cooley. I will not be Jackie Lacey. 243 00:13:29.750 --> 00:13:32.649 I will not be Nathan Hockman. Although I respect all 244 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.700 three of them and I enjoyed working for all three 245 00:13:35.740 --> 00:13:38.399 of them, the work that I did was my own 246 00:13:38.740 --> 00:13:40.659 and the work that I'll do as city attorney will 247 00:13:40.700 --> 00:13:43.019 be me, not any of them. 248 00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:49.000 You've said on the campaign trail repeatedly that you are 249 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.519 a lifelong Democrat. 250 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:50.759 Yes. 251 00:13:51.500 --> 00:13:55.669 And I know that's a pushback because there's... there is 252 00:13:55.690 --> 00:14:00.889 an understanding or it's reported that you're getting a lot 253 00:14:00.929 --> 00:14:02.490 of money from conservatives. 254 00:14:02.610 --> 00:14:06.370 It's a smear campaign, Dominique. They're spending a million dollars. 255 00:14:06.450 --> 00:14:08.230 If you go to L.A. City Ethics and look at 256 00:14:08.269 --> 00:14:10.830 the amount of money that's been spent pushing this lie, 257 00:14:11.389 --> 00:14:13.669 it's close to a million dollars at this point. 258 00:14:14.669 --> 00:14:18.559 Well, I mean, so you're saying you're not getting any 259 00:14:18.620 --> 00:14:21.960 money from or you're not being supported by PACs that 260 00:14:22.059 --> 00:14:24.039 are Republican or MAGA-oriented? 261 00:14:24.980 --> 00:14:28.360 I have one IE that I know of that's supporting 262 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.519 me in the general and the major contributor to that IE, 263 00:14:33.139 --> 00:14:34.799 from what I understand, because, you know, we. 264 00:14:34.700 --> 00:14:37.200 Can't coordinate with them. You're not supposed to coordinate. 265 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:37.600 I get that. 266 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:39.879 But you can see the public filings. They have to 267 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.870 say who they are. It's led by Rick Caruso. And 268 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:47.889 Rick Caruso is also supporting the mayor as of yesterday. 269 00:14:48.149 --> 00:14:50.210 Well, he said he'd vote for her. I don't think 270 00:14:50.230 --> 00:14:51.149 he endorsed her, did he? 271 00:14:51.659 --> 00:14:51.840 Right. 272 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.019 He said he would vote for it. I think that's 273 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:54.399 pretty close. 274 00:14:54.419 --> 00:14:55.659 That's close enough for you. 275 00:14:56.350 --> 00:14:58.259 But, you know, no one thinks of someone like Rick 276 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:02.090 Caruso as MAGA. OK, I think he's actually a registered 277 00:15:02.129 --> 00:15:03.110 Democrat at this point. 278 00:15:03.389 --> 00:15:06.070 Yeah, but he's a recent Democrat. I mean, so when 279 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:08.809 you say lifelong Democrat. I'm lifelong. 280 00:15:08.870 --> 00:15:11.809 I joined the party at 19. I voted for Dukakis 281 00:15:11.889 --> 00:15:13.490 versus George Bush Sr. 282 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:17.809 Right. But a lot of people that are lifelong Democrats 283 00:15:17.889 --> 00:15:21.250 are leaning conservative now, leaning MAGA now. I mean, Donald 284 00:15:21.269 --> 00:15:24.070 Trump was

a lifelong Democrat until he became president. 285 00:15:24.330 --> 00:15:26.690 Yeah, well, I'm not that. And I tell you, I 286 00:15:26.730 --> 00:15:28.809 grew up in New Jersey. A lot of people have 287 00:15:28.850 --> 00:15:33.129 heard my story. And Donald Trump made his bones in 288 00:15:33.190 --> 00:15:38.220 New Jersey and Manhattan. And I first developed a strong 289 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.019 dislike of Donald Trump back when I was a very 290 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:44.179 young man because of the promises he made to Atlantic 291 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.059 City to help develop that city if they had allowed 292 00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:49.879 him to build casinos. Well, they allowed him to build 293 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.000 his casinos. But he never came through for the people 294 00:15:53.059 --> 00:15:54.340 in the way that he said he was going to 295 00:15:54.379 --> 00:15:57.360 help some of the impoverished areas of that city. And 296 00:15:57.419 --> 00:16:00.240 so long before most people in this country had ever 297 00:16:00.299 --> 00:16:03.159 heard of Donald Trump before his television show, I already 298 00:16:03.230 --> 00:16:05.870 believed he was a phony. His casinos failed. He bought 299 00:16:05.889 --> 00:16:09.149 an airline that failed. A lot of his properties were 300 00:16:09.190 --> 00:16:12.110 in distress. And that was before he got the TV show. 301 00:16:12.129 --> 00:16:16.049 So I've never been a fan of Donald Trump. So 302 00:16:16.090 --> 00:16:18.909 it's really ironic that at this point I'm being called MAGA. 303 00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:21.750 Well, I mean... Yeah, I can see why you would 304 00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:24.110 say that. You know, my family's from New Jersey. A 305 00:16:24.149 --> 00:16:26.789 lot of people from New Jersey and New York don't 306 00:16:26.830 --> 00:16:29.629 love Trump. Doesn't mean you don't love some of the 307 00:16:29.669 --> 00:16:33.210 conservative agenda that's coming out. And you've been endorsed by 308 00:16:33.730 --> 00:16:36.970 John Lee, Tracy Park, Monica Rodriguez. I mean, that is 309 00:16:37.009 --> 00:16:40.590 the conservative block of the L.A. City Council. But they're Democrats. 310 00:16:40.649 --> 00:16:42.870 Well, John Lee is an independent, but everybody else is 311 00:16:42.929 --> 00:16:47.370 a Democrat. And I've only ever sought Democratic support. The 312 00:16:47.629 --> 00:16:51.570 only non-democratic support that I asked for was Steve Cooley, 313 00:16:51.909 --> 00:16:55.450 my former boss, and Nathan Hockman, who's my current boss, 314 00:16:55.889 --> 00:16:58.649 and John Lee. So you have two independents and one 315 00:16:59.169 --> 00:17:03.820 former Republican. I have not sought any other Republican endorsement 316 00:17:04.299 --> 00:17:06.279 in either this race or my former race. 317 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:12.579 You are endorsed by the Police Protective League, the union. 318 00:17:13.299 --> 00:17:17.619 police officers. And that suggests a certain agenda unto itself 319 00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:20.579 in terms of a more conservative approach. 320 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:21.400 Can I address that? 321 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:21.960 Yes, please. 322 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.049 Well, look, it's a binary choice. You either are going 323 00:17:25.069 --> 00:17:29.509 to support Marissa Roy, who's a member of the DSA, 324 00:17:29.549 --> 00:17:31.970 not just supported by or recommended by, she's a car 325 00:17:32.009 --> 00:17:35.029 carrying member of the DSA. And part of their stated 326 00:17:35.069 --> 00:17:39.390 platform is to defund the police and abolish jails. Then 327 00:17:39.430 --> 00:17:43.400 you have John McKinney, who is a prosecutor and has 328 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:47.400 been a prosecutor for 28 years, has some real signature accomplishments, 329 00:17:47.500 --> 00:17:51.740 and has worked well with law enforcement agencies across the county. 330 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.079 If you are a member of that union, which one 331 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.460 of those candidates are you going to endorse? You're not 332 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.269 going to endorse the person who wants to defund your 333 00:18:00.390 --> 00:18:04.869 organization and abolish it. You're more likely going to support 334 00:18:05.230 --> 00:18:08.440 the prosecutor who understands the nature of your work, and 335 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:13.200 has a good working relationship with your individual members. So again, 336 00:18:14.730 --> 00:18:18.710 when a person endorses another person, they're validating you and 337 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:24.250 your values. That endorsement doesn't mean you adopt the values 338 00:18:24.329 --> 00:18:25.170 of the endorser. 339 00:18:25.410 --> 00:18:27.910 Well, many times it means you owe the endorser favors. 340 00:18:28.490 --> 00:18:30.940 Well, not in this case. I've never been a rubber 341 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.259 stamp for anybody in the office. I'm actually known as 342 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.460 the person who pushes back in meetings in the DA's office. 343 00:18:38.329 --> 00:18:40.970 And I'm not going to start now at 58 years old, 344 00:18:41.009 --> 00:18:43.230 given the career that I have. I have no interest 345 00:18:43.289 --> 00:18:46.130 in rubber stamping anybody. I can't be bought or paid 346 00:18:46.210 --> 00:18:46.970 for at this point. 347 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:50.190 Well, let's talk about police accountability then, because that's been 348 00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:52.990 a real problem in the way that the LAPD has 349 00:18:53.049 --> 00:18:56.869 handled protesters. As recently as our ICE protests where, you know, 350 00:18:57.329 --> 00:19:01.650 a young man lost his eye to the pepper spraying 351 00:19:01.690 --> 00:19:05.160 and projectiles being aimed at the press, even press wearing 352 00:19:05.299 --> 00:19:10.220 clear and large media credentials, the fact that we have 353

00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:13.000 to get our media credentials from the LAPD, which we 354 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.359 are then tasked with covering, who can withhold those credentials. 355 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:20.589 How do you plan to hold LAPD accountable for the 356 00:19:20.630 --> 00:19:22.670 way they treat protesters and the press? 357 00:19:23.369 --> 00:19:26.509 Well, we need major reform when it comes to how 358 00:19:26.930 --> 00:19:31.170 LAPD polices large gatherings, protests, and what have you. And 359 00:19:31.190 --> 00:19:35.730 you're right. I know what you're talking about. I've also... 360 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.200 been concerned about the way a lot of these protests 361 00:19:39.259 --> 00:19:42.329 come to an end. There doesn't seem to be a clear, 362 00:19:42.430 --> 00:19:46.430 coherent plan by law enforcement in how to wrap these 363 00:19:46.509 --> 00:19:50.460 things up. I will hold LAPD accountable. Now, you know, 364 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.619 as city attorney, there's a little bit of an apparent 365 00:19:53.700 --> 00:19:56.589 conflict in that the city attorney has to defend the city, 366 00:19:56.769 --> 00:20:02.690 even in cases where LAPD is accused of overreach, excessive force, 367 00:20:02.769 --> 00:20:07.329 violating rights. But I believe that accountability and defending the 368 00:20:07.390 --> 00:20:10.029 city are not at odds. They actually go hand in hand. 369 00:20:10.049 --> 00:20:13.990 But we have to be proactive and not wait for 370 00:20:14.049 --> 00:20:17.049 something to happen before we start the accountability process. It 371 00:20:17.109 --> 00:20:21.380 has to start right now. We have to really pressure 372 00:20:21.390 --> 00:20:24.190 because city attorney can't control the chief and can't control 373 00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:26.720 the department. And I'm not an expert on policing. I 374 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.519 don't purport to be. But I am an expert on liability. 375 00:20:30.940 --> 00:20:34.190 And I know what looks fair and just. And so 376 00:20:34.349 --> 00:20:36.849 I will use the power of the city attorney's office 377 00:20:36.890 --> 00:20:40.670 to insist on the adoption of best practices in the 378 00:20:40.710 --> 00:20:42.859 way the police department conducts its business. 379 00:20:44.299 --> 00:20:48.579 Oh, man. Time flies when you're on the radio. Arresting 380 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.700 the homeless. You know, we've got the Olympics. We've got, 381 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.039 you know, we've got the Super Bowl. You've said cleaning 382 00:20:57.079 --> 00:20:59.160 up the neighborhoods is your top priority. Does that mean 383 00:20:59.660 --> 00:21:02.319 arresting the homeless and enforcement of anti-camping? 384 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.359 What it means is I have a great deal of 385 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:09.390 compassion for people who are living on our sidewalks. To me, 386 00:21:09.450 --> 00:21:13.309 it's unconscionable and it should not continue. I don't see 387 00:21:13.349 --> 00:21:18.769 this problem in a lot of places, including places that 388 00:21:20.009 --> 00:21:23.109 don't have the resources that we have here in Los Angeles. 389 00:21:24.029 --> 00:21:26.049 I don't blame the people who are living on the 390 00:21:26.089 --> 00:21:29.619 street for being on the street. I blame the political 391 00:21:29.670 --> 00:21:33.809 structure and the decisions that have been made that accommodate 392 00:21:33.829 --> 00:21:36.410 it and allow it. So as city attorney, what I've 393 00:21:36.450 --> 00:21:38.569 said is I'll use the power of the city attorney's 394 00:21:38.630 --> 00:21:41.690 office to help get people into the treatment that they need. 395 00:21:42.430 --> 00:21:44.410 Because I do, I look around, I've been to Skid 396 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:47.180 Row many times. I've been a prosecutor here for 28 years. 397 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.900 I worked in a drug court and I've seen severe 398 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.559 drug addiction lead to people living outside. And the only 399 00:21:54.619 --> 00:21:55.819 way to deal with it, you can give them an 400 00:21:55.859 --> 00:21:58.470 apartment and That's not going to solve the addiction problem. 401 00:21:58.569 --> 00:22:00.690 They have to get the treatment. That's what I'm for. 402 00:22:00.890 --> 00:22:02.819 We have to leave it there. John McKinney, thank you 403 00:22:02.859 --> 00:22:06.099 so much for coming in. It is McKinney4LA. com. It's the 404 00:22:06.140 --> 00:22:09.609 number for McKinney4LA. com. Thanks for coming in. 405 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:10.359 Thank you very much. 406 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.119 I thank you indeed. So now you heard it with 407 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.519 your own ears. And actually, there's a lot of John 408 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:20.809 McKinney in case you're concerned or confused about city attorney. 409 00:22:21.289 --> 00:22:24.750 There's the interview he did with James Farr is on 410 00:22:24.769 --> 00:22:27.460 our YouTube and wherever you get your pods, that was 411 00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:30.440 in the primary. And the really in-depth one that I 412 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:32.759 did with him for a whole hour when he was 413 00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:37.500 running for DA. So all of that is there. There's 414 00:22:37.579 --> 00:22:43.089 so many, so many pieces of broadcast information that you 415 00:22:43.109 --> 00:22:45.150 can get if you're still undecided about a lot of 416 00:22:45.190 --> 00:22:48.170 things we've talked about Every state proposition, we've talked about 417 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:53.170 the city measures. We have spoken on most candidates. Yesterday 418 00:22:53.230 --> 00:22:56.509 we did school board, I mean, excuse me, community college board. 419 00:22:56.809 --> 00:23:01.089 There are no LAUSD school board races because the folks 420 00:23:01.789 --> 00:23:05.210 all won outright in the primary. But there are

community 421 00:23:05.289 --> 00:23:07.950 college board. We've talked some about the judges, but we're 422 00:23:07.970 --> 00:23:10.839 going to do a whole deep dive on the judges 423 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.799 with Attorney Kerry Harper on Thursday. That's something we do 424 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:20.509 every every time. And actually, thanks to her really pushing 425 00:23:20.589 --> 00:23:22.390 me and saying, look, we need to do better, a 426 00:23:22.430 --> 00:23:25.210 better job about informing people on the judges. And this 427 00:23:25.250 --> 00:23:28.069 time you have not just LA County judges, you also 428 00:23:28.130 --> 00:23:32.250 have state judges. So it's a lot on this ballot. 429 00:23:32.619 --> 00:23:34.630 We've gone over most of it. You can find it 430 00:23:34.670 --> 00:23:37.109 wherever you get your podcasts. You could also find it 431 00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:42.549 at YouTube at KBLA 1580. That's our YouTube channel. And yeah, 432 00:23:42.829 --> 00:23:44.900 so there's a lot of info there in case you 433 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:46.539 need it. Or you could just call me right now 434 00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:52.799 at 809-20-1580, 809-20-1580. I would love to talk with you 435 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.670 about the election or whatever else is on your mind. 436 00:23:57.730 --> 00:24:00.670 And yeah, that's what I'm here for. That's what I love. 437 00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:03.609 That's the job that gets me up at 4 a.m. 438 00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:09.559 every day saying, let's do this. Whew, he has a 439 00:24:09.619 --> 00:24:12.720 lot to process today. Let's go to Pope calling us 440 00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:14.460 from L.A. Good morning, Pope. 441 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:17.599 Good morning, Dominique. 442 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:19.779 What's on your mind today? 443 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:20.299 Hello? 444 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:21.900 Yeah, what's on your mind? 445 00:24:21.940 --> 00:24:27.529 Well, you know what, Dominique? I'm at L.A. Federation of Labor. 446 00:24:27.549 --> 00:24:33.609 I work with them. Member? And, you know, and I've 447 00:24:33.670 --> 00:24:40.259 been in the presence of the mayor, Mayor Bass. And, 448 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:43.700 you know, when you're in the presence of a person, 449 00:24:43.779 --> 00:24:48.059 you know, many, many times, you know, you know their spirit, 450 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:53.109 you know. Yeah. And I've listened to ramen soup. That's 451 00:24:53.150 --> 00:24:55.809 what I call it. You know, no disrespect. That's what 452 00:24:55.869 --> 00:25:01.170 I feel. And when she talked about when she lifted up. 453 00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:07.380 The Captain Gates, when he was over the police department, 454 00:25:08.539 --> 00:25:16.019 he was the first person that hated people of color 455 00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:21.680 in L.A., okay? And then I listened to her, what 456 00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:26.109 was it, the other day, and she lifted up Reagan. 457 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:32.579 Reagan was the first drug dealer... Okay? In the United States. 458 00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:36.819 And I remember him with North... What was his name? 459 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.539 He was over the army. 460 00:25:38.660 --> 00:25:39.240 Oliver North. 461 00:25:39.259 --> 00:25:43.430 And they were bringing drugs... Yeah. They were bringing drugs in. 462 00:25:44.549 --> 00:25:51.089 And I fact-checked this with Goffrey, who's very smart. Okay? 463 00:25:51.390 --> 00:25:52.069 The comedian. 464 00:25:53.009 --> 00:26:00.190 And they first went to New York with drugs. You know, so... 465 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:05.039 She is not who she says she is. And people 466 00:26:05.059 --> 00:26:08.799 are going to recognize that, you know, the ones that think, oh, yeah, 467 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:14.680 you know. Listen, that woman, okay, she has two faces. 468 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:20.190 She has two faces. And she will learn, you know, 469 00:26:20.509 --> 00:26:25.349 it's unfortunate that L.A. residents will have to learn through 470 00:26:25.430 --> 00:26:28.759 her that she is not who she says she is. 471 00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:32.529 She smiles and she, you know, I tell you, I 472 00:26:32.569 --> 00:26:37.170 am just, I'm just too outdone right now, okay? I'm 473 00:26:37.289 --> 00:26:43.269 just too outdone. Anyway, that's what I wanted to, you know, 474 00:26:43.289 --> 00:26:43.970 put out there. 475 00:26:44.670 --> 00:26:46.269 I appreciate the call. I mean, that's one of the 476 00:26:46.289 --> 00:26:48.710 reasons why we do the California Voices Town Hall, right? 477 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.660 So you can see the candidates, feel their spirits, see 478 00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:54.000 how they walk, how they talk, how they treat people. 479 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.319 There is a different energy to it when you get 480 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:02.569 a chance to meet people in person. And this race, 481 00:27:02.970 --> 00:27:05.819 the good news is either way it goes, we don't 482 00:27:05.859 --> 00:27:08.180 get Spencer Pratt, right? Either way it goes, we don't 483 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.039 have Eric Adams. That's the good news. The bad news 484 00:27:12.339 --> 00:27:16.980 is that right now we're being asked to take someone's 485 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:22.410 word for something. And when you talk about Nithya Raman, 486 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:25.190 I mean, she's a college graduate. She's a member of 487 00:27:25.430 --> 00:27:30.980 a sort of a an Indian family, East Indian, that 488 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:35.170 comes out of a privileged class. She is a progressive, 489 00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:39.109 or she has been a progressive her whole political career. 490 00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:43.269 She's not a switching sides type person. But what you're 491 00:27:43.289 --> 00:27:47.019 being asked to do, she's been in the city council 492 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:50.640 for six years. And what we're being

asked to do 493 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:57.220 is believe what she's telling you she's going to do, 494 00:27:58.299 --> 00:28:01.299 rather than going based on just what's happened over the 495 00:28:01.339 --> 00:28:04.940 past six years, what she's actually done. And then, you know, 496 00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:09.140 with Mayor Bass, she kind of has the opposite situation 497 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:13.609 in that she's been fighting for, you know, the vulnerable, 498 00:28:14.109 --> 00:28:19.269 the poor, the under-resourced, foster kids, elders, black people, Latinos 499 00:28:19.549 --> 00:28:25.259 for four decades. But what she's dealing with is the 500 00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:28.240 last four years, some folks feel like she hasn't been 501 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.529 as boldly progressive as they would like. 502 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:30.960 Right. 503 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.450 And so particularly when it comes to the endorsement of 504 00:28:35.490 --> 00:28:40.609 the Police Protective League and her stance on Israel. But 505 00:28:40.970 --> 00:28:44.930 I also think you've got to look at not just 506 00:28:45.569 --> 00:28:47.910 you have to look at someone's total track record. You 507 00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:50.250 have to look what they've done for you lately. But 508 00:28:50.289 --> 00:28:53.319 you do have to look at that. their entire body 509 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:58.779 of work, their entire body of consciousness, and their ability 510 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.819 to deliver what they say they are going to do. 511 00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:04.910 That is also important. And that's what Willie Brown was 512 00:29:04.950 --> 00:29:08.250 talking about in the primary with the governor's race. It's 513 00:29:08.309 --> 00:29:10.910 not just what title do they have, what job have 514 00:29:10.930 --> 00:29:14.329 they held, what have they gotten done, what do they 515 00:29:14.369 --> 00:29:19.380 have the ability to get done. And so While it's 516 00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:22.279 true that the mayor has not magically solved the homeless 517 00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:26.559 problem overnight, has she improved the situation? Yes. Has she 518 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:33.089 delivered on that promise, which was a major promise of 519 00:29:33.250 --> 00:29:39.250 her campaign to attack the crisis of houselessness, which has 520 00:29:39.289 --> 00:29:42.480 been building up? up in this city for decades. And no, 521 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.400 you're not going to solve it in four years. I 522 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.720 don't care if you're Superman with an S on your chest. 523 00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:49.339 You're not solving it in four years. Has she made 524 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.779 progress in what she said she was going to do? 525 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:52.220 No. 526 00:29:52.730 --> 00:29:56.509 Does she have the ability to deliver what she's saying 527 00:29:56.569 --> 00:29:58.329 she's going to deliver? I think you've got

to ask 528 00:29:58.369 --> 00:30:02.390 that question of both candidates in the mayor's race and 529 00:30:02.430 --> 00:30:06.480 in any other race for that matter. But I get 530 00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:08.619 what you're saying because what you're talking about is a 531 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:16.200 trust factor and we are being asked to trust. That's 532 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.609 what Council Member Rahman is saying. I will fix the 533 00:30:19.660 --> 00:30:23.119 homeless crisis. I will fix the housing crisis. I will 534 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.910 have black people in my administration, even though I don't now. 535 00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:30.650 I will have a black agenda, even though that black 536 00:30:30.690 --> 00:30:33.210 agenda that came out yesterday, I so far haven't been 537 00:30:33.269 --> 00:30:36.009 able to find any black people that worked on it 538 00:30:36.369 --> 00:30:39.839 or consulted on it, even though it appears to be, 539 00:30:39.950 --> 00:30:44.839 in some cases, almost line by line, the Black Workers Center, 540 00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:48.259 at least with a jobs piece, the Black Workers Center 541 00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:53.650 plan that they put out during the city charter reform. Um, 542 00:30:54.950 --> 00:30:57.230 that's where the thing about how does a person walk? 543 00:30:57.490 --> 00:31:00.549 What vibe are they giving you? Um, and what, and 544 00:31:00.690 --> 00:31:03.529 what do you believe they have the capacity to do? 545 00:31:04.369 --> 00:31:07.130 Because anybody can say they're going to do a thing, 546 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.700 but what do you believe they have the capacity to do? 547 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.759 And do you think they'll stand firm in what they're saying? 548 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.759 And I think that's what you're, um, that's what you're 549 00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:22.220 underlining Pope as far as the standing firm part. Um, 550 00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:25.500 you know, are you gonna, you gonna fire the police 551 00:31:25.539 --> 00:31:27.160 chief or you're not going to fire the police chief? 552 00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:30.029 Now you are, now you're not. Now you don't think 553 00:31:30.069 --> 00:31:31.950 you have the ability. Now you think it's going to 554 00:31:31.990 --> 00:31:35.490 take a really long time. Now you're back to, so it's, um, 555 00:31:36.470 --> 00:31:39.430 you know, it's fair to ask, is this, if this 556 00:31:39.509 --> 00:31:43.359 is what you're saying you're going to do, how, what 557 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.009 makes us, uh, feel, uh, secure that that's actually what 558 00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:51.049 you're going to do, what you intend to do, and 559 00:31:51.069 --> 00:31:53.390 that you have the capacity to make it happen? 560 00:31:54.970 --> 00:31:55.619 You know what? 561 00:31:55.859 --> 00:32:01.980 Black and brown people in L.A., all over the United States, actually, 562 00:32:02.619 --> 00:32:08.200 all right, listen to this administration, the president, and they 563 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.589 thought it wasn't about them, all right? Oh, well, you know, 564 00:32:13.650 --> 00:32:17.700 it's not about me. It's about them. Well, this woman, okay, 565 00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:20.000 everything she says, oh, I'm going to do this and 566 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.869 I'm going to do that. Oh, please give me a break. 567 00:32:23.329 --> 00:32:28.569 All right. Yeah, she's been, you know, six years. Six 568 00:32:28.630 --> 00:32:33.410 years does not make 30. I ride around L.A. all 569 00:32:33.450 --> 00:32:35.609 the time, and I see all the buildings come up. 570 00:32:35.950 --> 00:32:38.269 And just yesterday I said, you know what? There are 571 00:32:38.369 --> 00:32:41.069 buildings all over, and it's not enough. It will never 572 00:32:41.130 --> 00:32:46.049 be enough because this didn't just happen overnight. It didn't 573 00:32:46.109 --> 00:32:52.779 happen overnight. Okay? Yeah, no, it didn't. I lived in Hawaii. 574 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.759 I lived in Hawaii. I moved to Hawaii in 1978, 575 00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.660 and there was one homeless man. Now it looks like 576 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:03.400 Skid Row because everybody that Reagan let out of the 577 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:08.769 crazy house and people, you know, their family that they 578 00:33:08.809 --> 00:33:13.130 didn't want moved to Hawaii with no jobs. 579 00:33:13.150 --> 00:33:15.369 Yeah, well. 580 00:33:16.369 --> 00:33:20.470 You know, what I'm hearing, Pope, is that this is 581 00:33:20.529 --> 00:33:22.710 a tight race. I think there's a number of very 582 00:33:22.750 --> 00:33:27.019 tight races on the ballot. But this is one I 583 00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:32.819 know for sure when it comes to Black LA. Whatever 584 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.220 candidate wins for governor and whatever candidate wins for mayor, 585 00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:39.559 we've got our work cut out for us. We are 586 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.559 going to have to make sure that we are not 587 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:49.109 an afterthought, an asterisk. stepped over, looked over, and that 588 00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:52.880 the calculation is now being made. I can win without them. 589 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.420 I don't need to serve them. Or that they supported 590 00:33:57.460 --> 00:34:01.700 me even though I didn't do enough for them. And 591 00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:04.220 that's why this whole conversation about a black agenda is 592 00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:07.039 coming out now at this stage in the mayor's race. 593 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.630 Because even though, yes, there are some alleged activists that 594 00:34:13.670 --> 00:34:16.309 are calling for that, But it's not just that. It's 595 00:34:16.369 --> 00:34:20.389 also because we see the way that people are being 596 00:34:20.650 --> 00:34:24.050 pushed out, priced out, and policied out of our neighborhoods 597 00:34:24.110 -->

00:34:31.019 that engenders gentrification. We see that we are not going 598 00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:36.059 to be representing the 9th District anymore and that there's 599 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:48.469 no black candidate in the governor's race. not super unusual there, 600 00:34:48.510 --> 00:34:51.460 but as you look in terms of the leverage of 601 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.940 black Californians and black Angelenos, there is some concern and 602 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.199 that's understandable. So that means that we've got to show 603 00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:02.480 up and vote in big numbers. And it also means 604 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.940 that we're going to have to keep our foot on 605 00:35:05.980 --> 00:35:11.000 the gas after election day and demand accountability and demand 606 00:35:11.059 --> 00:35:14.429 real results. You know, all this talk and All this 607 00:35:14.510 --> 00:35:18.269 black agenda, all this chicken in every potting, you know, 608 00:35:18.570 --> 00:35:20.269 I need the how, I need the why, and I 609 00:35:20.309 --> 00:35:22.409 need the when. And then we're going to have to 610 00:35:23.949 --> 00:35:28.820 keep that timeline and that accountability in the forefront from 611 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.219 November 4th on. Appreciate the call, Pope. Pope called me 612 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.920 at 800-920-1580. I invite you to do the same. I'm 613 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:41.030 Dominique DiPrima for KBLA Talk 1580. It's Election Day in L.A., 614 00:35:41.110 --> 00:35:46.389 and every day until November 3rd and November 4th starts 615 00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:51.539 too late to vote, but not too late to seek accountability. 616 00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:54.780 Israelis are going to the polls today to see if 617 00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.699 they're going to keep Netanyahu. And that, of course, is 618 00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:05.050 consequential not just for them, but for the whole wide world. 619 00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:09.469 But look... Jarrett Hill is joining me next hour. We'll 620 00:36:09.489 --> 00:36:12.050 go through some of this ballot. Um, we're doing it, 621 00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:15.440 you know, Thursday, we're doing the judges again with, uh, 622 00:36:15.579 --> 00:36:18.360 attorney Kerry Harper. And I may have to do, try 623 00:36:18.380 --> 00:36:20.179 to do a speed round. I tried it before, but 624 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.840 I wasn't fast enough. I didn't get through the entire ballot. 625 00:36:23.260 --> 00:36:27.079 I may try to do a speed round on the ballot, um, uh, 626 00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:30.480 tomorrow as well. But Also joining me this week, Pastor 627 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.219 Edward Anderson will be on with us tomorrow. He always 628 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.920 has a lot of knowledge and inside scoop on what's 629 00:36:36.940 --> 00:36:40.300 going on in the city and the county. And then Dr. 630 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.320 Melina Abdullah will be joining me. We'll go through, again, 631 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:48.280 through some of these education-related pieces. In case you are confused, 632 00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:53.579 we've got a great week ahead. And so Attorney Carrie 633 00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:58.750 Harper will be joining us, as I said, on Thursday 634 00:36:58.769 --> 00:37:01.710 to talk about judges. And she actually knows a lot 635 00:37:01.750 --> 00:37:06.110 of these people. She's been not just an attorney, but 636 00:37:08.150 --> 00:37:13.530 you know, working with them in court, but also she is, 637 00:37:14.650 --> 00:37:17.090 she ran for judge one time, so she knows where 638 00:37:17.130 --> 00:37:21.090 the bodies are buried. Let's go to J.W. calling us 639 00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:22.780 from L.A. Good morning, J.W. 640 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.079 Hey, good morning, Dominique. Thank you. I want to address 641 00:37:28.099 --> 00:37:31.460 the last caller's comment when she made a reference to 642 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:37.820 this with the homeless folks and having them guess overnight. 643 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:43.489 This was a plan. I can recall back in 83, 644 00:37:43.489 --> 00:37:48.550 it was called Rockefeller's Banking. And at that time, they 645 00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:52.250 made a term called projection. 646 00:37:52.269 --> 00:37:55.070 A term called what? I didn't get that last, the 647 00:37:55.110 --> 00:37:55.960 last thing you said. 648 00:37:56.179 --> 00:37:57.840 Oh, projection. 649 00:37:58.780 --> 00:37:59.159 Got you. 650 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:00.059 Uh-huh. 651 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:00.639 Uh-huh. 652 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.360 Okay, so the point is, from all the major cities 653 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.639 or black cities or you know, like Chicago, L.A. 654 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.739 Detroit, and they were saying how they were going to 655 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.340 change the infrastructure and move all the poor people out, 656 00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:25.690 like in the suburbs, and bring up, you know, gentrification 657 00:38:25.750 --> 00:38:26.409 at that time. 658 00:38:27.170 --> 00:38:29.510 Well, yeah, I mean, those are the same issues we're 659 00:38:29.530 --> 00:38:33.570 facing now, gentrification, the push out of the lower-income folks. 660 00:38:34.590 --> 00:38:38.420 It seems to have accelerated now because now a lot 661 00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:46.579 of the richer people, right, the upper class folks, the 662 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.829 high income earners, they want to come back to the cities. At, 663 00:38:50.929 --> 00:38:54.949 you know, 70s, 80s, even 90s, they wanted to flee 664 00:38:55.050 --> 00:38:58.389 to the suburbs where it was supposedly safe. But the 665 00:38:58.429 --> 00:39:03.280 younger generations that are, you know, high income earners, they 666 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.389 want to live in the cities. And they want swanky condos, 667 00:39:06.429 --> 00:39:09.610 they want city life, they want that

infrastructure, they want 668 00:39:09.650 --> 00:39:12.550 that nightlife. And so as a result, now the lower 669 00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:15.960 income people are being pushed out to the suburbs and 670 00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:19.940 the gentrification has accelerated. What does that mean for the unhoused? Well, 671 00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:24.789 now the unhoused are competing with these high six-figure earners, 672 00:39:25.869 --> 00:39:28.730 maybe not at the top of the housing scale, but 673 00:39:28.769 --> 00:39:31.619 it does move all the way down through every layer. 674 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.739 So there's that, plus you've got these developers who are 675 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.079 catering to the very wealthy. And as you see in 676 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.170 here in LA, there's tons of apartments for rent if 677 00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:47.190 you can pay five, six, seven, eight thousand dollars a month. 678 00:39:47.869 --> 00:39:52.929 A $ 9, 000, $ 10, 000, $ 15, 000 a month. But for a person 679 00:39:52.969 --> 00:39:57.590 working a minimum wage job or a working class resident 680 00:39:57.750 --> 00:40:01.769 of LA, there are much fewer choices and they're not 681 00:40:01.829 --> 00:40:03.969 being catered to. So is that a plan? Was it 682 00:40:03.989 --> 00:40:07.929 a conspiracy? Does it even matter? Because the impact is 683 00:40:08.289 --> 00:40:11.989 that we are where we are now with a housing crisis, 684 00:40:12.309 --> 00:40:16.440 despite the fact that you and I are watching nice 685 00:40:16.579 --> 00:40:20.420 brand new apartment buildings going up all along Crenshaw, going 686 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.030 up in Watts. I'm sure this is happening in cities 687 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.309 all over the country, but they're not for you. They're 688 00:40:27.349 --> 00:40:32.389 not for me. And I saw an influencer yesterday saying that, 689 00:40:32.829 --> 00:40:36.550 you know, older people are supporting Bass because They're wealthy 690 00:40:36.989 --> 00:40:40.159 and they don't feel the affordability crisis. Well, that may 691 00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.119 be true of some older people. But if you look 692 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.199 at what's happening with the unhoused, a huge proportion of 693 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.960 those people are older people who can no longer afford 694 00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:55.019 their rent because they can no longer work, right? And 695 00:40:55.059 --> 00:40:58.409 the social security or the disability is not enough to 696 00:40:58.469 --> 00:41:03.730 cover an apartment. So I don't think that's really an 697 00:41:03.869 --> 00:41:08.320 accurate assessment. Because at both ends, the young people coming 698 00:41:08.389 --> 00:41:11.510 out of college and the old people, older people, seasoned 699 00:41:11.590 --> 00:41:16.130 folks coming out of the workforce, housing is highly problematic 700 00:41:16.449 --> 00:41:22.989 and affordability is an existential crisis. Jared Hill joins me next. 701 00:41:23.050 --> 00:41:26.719 He's always got insights for you. And well, it's election day, 702 00:41:26.900 --> 00:41:29.840 so we need them more than ever. He's an award-winning 703 00:41:30.019 --> 00:41:33.989 journalist and an author. You're always invited in. All that's 704 00:41:34.030 --> 00:41:35.800 coming up on KBLA Talk 1580.