บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 124: Divided We Fall/United We Stand Finale!

where people can stay at for the games. 04:46.096 --> 04:58.534 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like all glass exterior, so when you're flying over the city, it looks like you're flying over like a blue crystal horseshoe, and you know that's where the cult's play. 04:58.995 --> 05:08.789 [SPEAKER_01]: And then like the rest of the land around the stadium would be repurposed into like a park, and there'd be underground parking, so it all looked like a cool, like a walkable green space. 05:09.450 --> 05:15.158 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was so proud of it, and I showed it to Shaila, and the first thing she said was, 05:15.138 --> 05:25.637 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you silly man, what about the cold people aren't going to want to watch football when it's cold and I'm like no this was what I was fixing it's football weather 05:26.039 --> 05:32.365 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we've had the team and the dome again for, you know, 40 years. 05:33.165 --> 05:35.207 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, our people are going to want to go out to that. 05:35.267 --> 05:36.949 [SPEAKER_02]: You might need a retractable roof. 05:37.529 --> 05:38.290 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's the thing. 05:38.330 --> 05:44.215 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like when you go to top golf, you know, the bays are open to the outside. 05:44.595 --> 05:46.237 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a heater right above you. 05:46.617 --> 05:49.880 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no reason if if top golf can pay for that. 05:49.900 --> 05:52.382 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason in NFL stadium can't have that. 05:52.742 --> 05:54.544 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think some of the outdoor ones do. 05:54.997 --> 06:00.771 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and 20 years from now, global warming, it's not going to be cold anymore. 06:00.869 --> 06:01.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 06:01.550 --> 06:09.380 [SPEAKER_01]: So everything south of Tennessee will be under water and Indiana will be the new Alabama. 06:09.760 --> 06:09.980 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 06:10.661 --> 06:11.062 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 06:11.642 --> 06:13.485 [SPEAKER_02]: So Zach's going to architecture school. 06:13.545 --> 06:14.386 [SPEAKER_02]: That's great news. 06:14.966 --> 06:15.167 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 06:17.249 --> 06:17.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man. 06:18.411 --> 06:20.293 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's get into these comics. 06:20.553 --> 06:26.461 [SPEAKER_01]: But first, a word from our sponsor, the Indiana University School of Architecture. 06:27.262 --> 06:29.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Every business says they're better. 06:30.400 --> 06:33.844 [SPEAKER_00]: But the ones that earn and display the BBB seal, back it up. 06:35.085 --> 06:42.073 [SPEAKER_00]: It instantly identifies businesses that are committed to operating within integrity, honoring promises, and telling the truth. 06:42.533 --> 06:44.936 [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you wonder why every business doesn't have it. 06:45.497 --> 06:48.019 [SPEAKER_00]: So look for it, because it's looking out for you. 06:48.059 --> 06:50.522 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's the sign of a better business. 06:51.243 --> 06:55.007 [SPEAKER_00]: And find a better business anytime at BBB.org. 06:56.388 --> 06:57.049 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we back? 06:57.769 --> 06:58.250 [SPEAKER_02]: We're back. 06:58.430 --> 06:58.970 [SPEAKER_02]: We're back. 06:59.391 --> 06:59.771 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 07:00.211 --> 07:01.192 [SPEAKER_02]: Which issue do you want? 07:01.513 --> 07:01.793 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude. 07:01.833 --> 07:04.035 [SPEAKER_02]: This is we're wrapping this this up. 07:04.295 --> 07:04.916 [SPEAKER_02]: Our divided. 07:04.976 --> 07:07.858 [SPEAKER_02]: We fall is is this United we stand. 07:08.879 --> 07:12.422 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is United we stand because we united now. 07:12.523 --> 07:13.323 [SPEAKER_01]: We're the country. 07:13.664 --> 07:13.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:14.564 --> 07:17.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I fear that politics are not done this episode. 07:17.747 --> 07:18.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. 07:18.788 --> 07:23.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. 07:24.013 --> 07:26.395 [SPEAKER_01]: We. 07:26.375 --> 07:28.978 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want the second one, dude. 07:29.518 --> 07:31.000 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you can take the second one, then. 07:31.180 --> 07:36.725 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I loved our start here in the first issue. 07:36.785 --> 07:38.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bring us in. 07:38.427 --> 07:46.035 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a, this is United, we stand issue, or I'm sorry, it's ultimate comics, the ultimate issue 17. 07:46.095 --> 07:50.699 [SPEAKER_02]: Now this is not ultimate comics, ultimate spider-man issue 17. 07:50.759 --> 07:51.900 [SPEAKER_02]: We did that last week. 07:52.841 --> 07:55.504 [SPEAKER_02]: And now spider-man is with the ultimate, right? 07:56.108 --> 07:57.670 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually taking a drink of his water. 07:58.752 --> 08:00.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Zack Spiderman's with the ultimates, right? 08:01.135 --> 08:02.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, John, that's correct. 08:02.557 --> 08:07.485 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Modi has our heroes and a bind here on the cover. 08:08.586 --> 08:10.729 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like how he has David Bowie eyes. 08:11.550 --> 08:13.513 [SPEAKER_02]: He does look like David Bowie. 08:14.214 --> 08:21.525 [SPEAKER_02]: If they sadly, he's passed away, so he can never play Modi in a live action, in a live action comic. 08:21.505 --> 08:22.167 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine. 08:22.187 --> 08:23.149 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a pedophile too. 08:23.610 --> 08:23.891 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 08:24.753 --> 08:26.438 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know this, I hate to tell you this. 08:26.658 --> 08:29.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Every rock star from the 70s was a pedophile. 08:30.107 --> 08:32.252 [SPEAKER_01]: But he sure didn't make some good tunes. 08:32.332 --> 08:35.200 [SPEAKER_01]: He did, um, unfortunately. 08:35.220 --> 08:38.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunate, bobsy. 08:38.448 --> 08:39.710 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, page one. 08:39.730 --> 08:48.963 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a good little hook for us

here because we get these two everyday people and he says, I'm scared Linda. 08:49.403 --> 08:53.449 [SPEAKER_02]: Now right away, I thought this was maybe like Hawkeye's wife because her name's Linda. 08:53.789 --> 08:56.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's played by a woman named Linda, right? 08:56.553 --> 08:58.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe that's what I think of. 08:58.315 --> 09:01.620 [SPEAKER_01]: She's played by Linda Carmini, but she's dead in this universe. 09:01.803 --> 09:02.885 [SPEAKER_01]: what how that happened. 09:03.346 --> 09:06.192 [SPEAKER_01]: Scarlett which are not Scarlett which black widow. 09:07.235 --> 09:08.738 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't read it, but in ultimate. 09:08.758 --> 09:09.840 [SPEAKER_01]: You told me about this. 09:10.181 --> 09:12.346 [SPEAKER_01]: She's still with us family or something. 09:12.366 --> 09:13.147 [SPEAKER_01]: The double agent. 09:13.187 --> 09:14.089 [SPEAKER_01]: She kills his family. 09:15.292 --> 09:15.653 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 09:15.673 --> 09:19.120 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so ultimate, dude. 09:19.100 --> 09:21.964 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, I'm scared, Linda, and she says, me two can. 09:22.745 --> 09:26.190 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm more scared of what might happen if we stand by and do nothing. 09:26.471 --> 09:28.433 [SPEAKER_02]: This country is burning down around us. 09:28.513 --> 09:31.077 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going to happen if the Mayhem continues to spread? 09:31.578 --> 09:33.440 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going to happen to our children? 09:33.861 --> 09:35.323 [SPEAKER_02]: It's up to us now, the people. 09:35.343 --> 09:37.006 [SPEAKER_02]: No one else is going to take a stand. 09:37.486 --> 09:39.048 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to be the ones to stop it. 09:39.129 --> 09:40.430 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to join the fight. 09:40.911 --> 09:41.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 09:41.953 --> 09:42.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty based. 09:43.174 --> 09:47.841 [SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is, this is just your everyday people standing up. 09:47.821 --> 09:49.163 [SPEAKER_02]: to fascism. 09:50.004 --> 09:55.109 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, uh, genuine text conversations between me and my friends every day now. 09:58.213 --> 09:59.414 [SPEAKER_02]: And he says you're right. 09:59.695 --> 10:00.215 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. 10:00.676 --> 10:00.976 [SPEAKER_02]: Ready? 10:01.256 --> 10:02.077 [SPEAKER_02]: And she says ready. 10:02.638 --> 10:04.440 [SPEAKER_02]: And she clocks her shotgun. 10:05.001 --> 10:06.122 [SPEAKER_02]: It says Hail Hydra. 10:06.863 --> 10:08.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what a turn. 10:08.925 --> 10:14.031 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so close to following them to the gates of hell. 10:14.703 --> 10:15.544 [SPEAKER_02]: What a turn. 10:15.624 --> 10:19.329 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it, okay, can I give a little spoiler for the issue? 10:19.389 --> 10:20.731 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:20.751 --> 10:21.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 10:21.071 --> 10:24.736 [SPEAKER_02]: So it turns out Modi is like kind of mind controlling these people. 10:25.357 --> 10:35.089 [SPEAKER_02]: But before you learn that, it is interesting to think about like, well, is Hydra just like, can they be their own? 10:35.149 --> 10:41.237 [SPEAKER_02]: Does everyone who is a part of Hydra think Hydra is evil and wants to like kill everything? 10:41.257 --> 10:43.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, 10:43.660 --> 11:05.179 [SPEAKER_02]: could they just be like they just think it's like a better system they think America's corrupt so maybe there are people like this that are like this is you know we got to join the fight I thought it was interesting I think Hydra is I mean obviously it spins out of Nazi Germany with like the red skull 11:05.159 --> 11:11.749 [SPEAKER_01]: in the comics it's like a analogy just for like authoritarianism in general. 11:11.909 --> 11:25.969 [SPEAKER_01]: I think whatever it's like the forces of of the heroes in America versus Hydra it's like well they want to take your rights and they want to tell you what to do and it's all in the interest of safety but really what does safety mean if you're not free. 11:25.949 --> 11:37.470 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think the people in this environment, in this world that we've set up here where like America is pretty much fallen and everything's on fire and people are scared. 11:38.652 --> 11:46.607 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see ordinary people being like, dude, I just want to join this team that says they're going to put everything back to being safe. 11:47.093 --> 11:57.004 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's I could see that being an effective appeal to people who don't have super powers and are like watching shit outside their house blow up. 11:57.865 --> 12:13.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's you can maybe even draw the parallel between like a politician 8 to 12 years ago saying how we're going to make everything like good how it used to be and and you know get rid of all these 12:13.081 --> 12:18.088 [SPEAKER_02]: all these, all these people coming into our neighborhoods, right? 12:18.108 --> 12:18.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 12:18.529 --> 12:29.685 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish there was like a succinct term for a type of like political rhetoric that it peels to a mythical past that never actually existed that we need to get back to. 12:30.646 --> 12:34.732 [SPEAKER_01]: We should create some kind of word that describes that so we know to look out for it. 12:35.373 --> 12:35.874 [SPEAKER_01]: What is it? 12:37.496 --> 12:37.997 [SPEAKER_01]: Fascism. 12:38.517 --> 12:39.038 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh. 12:40.165 --> 12:43.288 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Woke Burger, how'd you like your burger? 12:46.251 --> 12:51.677 [SPEAKER_02]: Is fascism, does it always have to do with like going back from a mythical time from before? 12:51.957 --> 12:57.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it, yeah, it's always comes from like things were better. 12:57.863 --> 13:07.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, remember back before X group came in and we were the end group and we controlled everything and everything was right and

perfect. 13:07.953 --> 13:09.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's get back to that. 13:10.270 --> 13:17.597 [SPEAKER_01]: So we need to get to the you know addition by subtraction we're going to remove the desirable elements of our society. 13:18.083 --> 13:29.834 [SPEAKER_01]: and sometimes it's like, you know, culturally, sometimes it's like, you know, values or whatever, like, oh, we're gonna go back to traditional family values, none of this like gay shit or whatever. 13:30.474 --> 13:34.237 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be used many different ways, but you know it, we see it. 13:34.458 --> 13:34.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:35.378 --> 13:35.859 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 13:36.259 --> 13:39.302 [SPEAKER_02]: So now we're on page two of the first issue. 13:40.103 --> 13:46.048 [SPEAKER_02]: And we turn the page and it's not just that family that is doing this. 13:46.028 --> 13:57.507 [SPEAKER_02]: We seek a caravan of hydra tanks and flags and cars, and Modi says, general, when I first asked you what you wanted, you said an army big enough to make the government afraid. 13:57.547 --> 14:00.052 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you have your army, you have your fear. 14:00.773 --> 14:06.923 [SPEAKER_02]: And we cut back to one day ago, and Thore is speaking with Modi. 14:06.903 --> 14:13.510 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if we remember, we just found out that Mody is Thor's son, we thought he was Loki for a while. 14:14.110 --> 14:23.420 [SPEAKER_02]: And he says, Mody, how did you, and Mody says, you deserted me in the world, in the world tree, like an animal buried in the ground, something to be hidden and forgotten. 14:23.560 --> 14:31.087 [SPEAKER_02]: And he tells Thor that time moves differently and what was maybe only a couple months to Thor was a thousand years to Mody. 14:31.828 --> 14:36.673 [SPEAKER_02]: And he could see the past and the future, you know, the world trees 14:36.653 --> 14:38.676 [SPEAKER_02]: and he says, I saw what happened, Father. 14:38.796 --> 14:40.738 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw them destroy as guard. 14:40.778 --> 14:45.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and then he starts talking about the ruin on his ring finger. 14:45.705 --> 14:50.852 [SPEAKER_02]: And does this ruin like give him powers? 14:51.533 --> 14:58.141 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, he wears this ring and he says, the ruin or thala from my home land inheritance heritage. 14:58.181 --> 14:59.343 [SPEAKER_02]: They were robbed of me. 14:59.924 --> 15:01.826 [SPEAKER_02]: So he wants a new empire. 15:01.846 --> 15:04.770 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why he wants to destroy America. 15:04.750 --> 15:12.003 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he says the reverse meaning of Othala is lack of order, prejudice, clanishness, fear. 15:12.584 --> 15:15.409 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just exploiting the nature of their true heart. 15:16.311 --> 15:20.398 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is this sound like that we were just talking about fascism? 15:20.999 --> 15:22.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Asgard was great. 15:22.582 --> 15:23.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Asgard's gone now. 15:23.704 --> 15:25.126 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to make a new asgard. 15:25.146 --> 15:26.569 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to make a better asgard. 15:26.609 --> 15:27.651 [SPEAKER_01]: And asgard's so good. 15:27.671 --> 15:29.374 [SPEAKER_01]: They forget about the old asgard. 15:30.704 --> 15:31.526 [SPEAKER_02]: He did say that. 15:32.047 --> 15:34.173 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Thor is very entitled. 15:34.855 --> 15:38.323 [SPEAKER_02]: He's very entitled for spending his entire life in a tree. 15:38.384 --> 15:40.950 [SPEAKER_02]: He feels owed a lot. 15:41.470 --> 15:43.873 [SPEAKER_02]: The student has never had to work a day in his life. 15:43.933 --> 15:45.055 [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't. 15:45.595 --> 15:54.967 [SPEAKER_02]: And he also, he's taking a very child like stance on this because he would be dead if Thor didn't put him into that tree, you know, it doesn't hit himself. 15:55.047 --> 15:57.010 [SPEAKER_01]: He saw them destroy Asgard. 15:57.050 --> 15:59.894 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like he doesn't realize that. 15:59.954 --> 16:07.123 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not putting the pieces together that he was not put in that tree as a punishment, but like as an act of love. 16:07.103 --> 16:28.065 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Thor says end this game my son ended before I end it for you and he says you There cannot be judgment from one as low as you a father who abandoned his son and Thor tells him I only did it to save you and that doesn't that doesn't moody doesn't care about that 16:28.045 --> 16:29.927 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, I am what you have made me. 16:29.947 --> 16:31.629 [SPEAKER_02]: I am the last day as guardian. 16:31.689 --> 16:32.670 [SPEAKER_02]: You're only God. 16:32.710 --> 16:35.012 [SPEAKER_02]: And you are a disappointment father. 16:35.052 --> 16:36.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Now bow and obey. 16:36.694 --> 16:42.280 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see Thor try to fight through whatever mode he's doing. 16:42.780 --> 16:45.002 [SPEAKER_02]: But then he says, yes, my son, I obey. 16:45.022 --> 16:49.127 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was thinking maybe it was it had to do with this room. 16:49.607 --> 16:50.908 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know. 16:51.069 --> 16:54.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Loki's just Matt Loki. 16:54.961 --> 16:59.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we've seen this run before in the last issue, Thor landed on something. 17:00.009 --> 17:01.732 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, huh, that's interesting. 17:01.792 --> 17:05.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't, it was like burned on top of a trailer truck. 17:05.558 --> 17:05.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:06.419 --> 17:15.433 [SPEAKER_01]: So it definitely is the implication that at least some of the hydra people, this army that's like marching, Modi's probably influenced them as well. 17:15.413 --> 17:15.794 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:16.495 --> 17:19.199 [SPEAKER_02]: And so now we're we're a day later. 17:19.259 --> 17:23.106 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi is walking with some general with Thor behind him. 17:23.887 --> 17:30.599 [SPEAKER_02]: And the general

says over a thousand people have joined us since we started marching regular people from surrounding areas. 17:31.079 --> 17:35.667 [SPEAKER_02]: This wouldn't have anything to do with your secret treasure from Project Pegasus, what it. 17:35.647 --> 17:40.614 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi tells him that no, they're just attracted to their strength and their cause. 17:41.255 --> 17:42.456 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what this reminds me of? 17:43.117 --> 17:43.378 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 17:44.078 --> 17:45.560 [SPEAKER_01]: The scene in Hot Rod. 17:46.081 --> 17:47.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Where it's the morning of the job. 17:48.144 --> 17:50.968 [SPEAKER_01]: And they just, they're like walking and it's like inspirational. 17:51.008 --> 17:52.210 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's some song playing. 17:52.330 --> 17:56.355 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden the whole town is walking behind them and singing along. 17:56.375 --> 17:58.318 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, that's like one of my favorite scenes. 17:58.839 --> 18:01.222 [SPEAKER_02]: I love gay assy rubs. 18:01.242 --> 18:02.143 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 18:02.123 --> 18:06.369 [SPEAKER_01]: It just takes one guy throw in something through a window and it turns into like a riot. 18:08.152 --> 18:25.778 [SPEAKER_02]: So Modi tells him that they're gonna need these numbers to defeat shield and the general says don't worry Well as soon as we get to Casper, which I guess is a nearby city, he says will be unstoppable and Modi says don't be fool a shield is already here and just then we cut to one of the shield agents. 18:25.798 --> 18:27.040 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that Cassie Lang? 18:27.761 --> 18:30.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and she says now 18:30.878 --> 18:39.128 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see Cassie, along with a squadron of giant women, get huge and destroy a pretty significant part of this army. 18:39.168 --> 18:42.873 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like tanks and jeeps and shit flying all over them. 18:42.893 --> 18:46.117 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like 70 tanks and jeeps that had destroyed. 18:46.177 --> 18:47.418 [SPEAKER_02]: How big was this army? 18:47.458 --> 18:55.208 [SPEAKER_02]: And Hawkeye, the impossible, what can't ever think of these Mrs. Fantastik? 18:55.748 --> 18:56.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 18:56.810 --> 18:57.831 [SPEAKER_02]: The invisible woman. 18:57.946 --> 19:02.575 [SPEAKER_02]: looks Spider-Man's there and so it's just a drew and they're all fighting and they're charging. 19:03.136 --> 19:03.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:04.579 --> 19:13.076 [SPEAKER_02]: And Sue says these hydroforces are largely an experience but they outnumber us 10 to 1 don't let your billion dollar training make you overconfident. 19:13.096 --> 19:16.663 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's someone I'll saying it but they're saying it to all those people. 19:16.643 --> 19:17.846 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like in the earpiece. 19:18.388 --> 19:32.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so while the ground team is fighting cap Tony and is that Monica Chang is that yes, and she's the new black widow

correct there on the hell carrier and they're trying to like set up 19:32.405 --> 19:35.290 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, set up an attack and kind of figure out what's going on. 19:35.330 --> 19:54.582 [SPEAKER_02]: And Tony says there's some sort of signal going through the air that he's never seen it before, but it's on the same frequency as brain waves and he hypothesizes that maybe this is what's making people all of a sudden, you know, have such a strong commitment to hydra. 19:54.933 --> 20:01.625 [SPEAKER_02]: And Monica, just like the general Monica says, if they make it into the city, then there, there army is going to become too big. 20:01.905 --> 20:03.428 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to be able to fight them. 20:04.149 --> 20:07.355 [SPEAKER_02]: And cap says, then we're just going to have to fight like hell to stop them. 20:07.936 --> 20:16.992 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny to me that if you just take the the population of Casper Wyoming, that's like enough people to scare the government. 20:17.052 --> 20:19.236 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's kind of hilarious. 20:19.435 --> 20:30.426 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I was all I was thinking about it and I'm like, why wouldn't matter if they get to like one city, but you're right, if you can mind control like everybody in the city, then I'll be pretty big army. 20:30.446 --> 20:33.816 [SPEAKER_01]: The Casper Wyoming is not a big city. 20:34.049 --> 20:44.243 [SPEAKER_02]: And so Kat Monica and Tony, they're the last line of defense and Modi launches the war machine platoon against our heroes that are on the battle ground. 20:45.144 --> 20:46.967 [SPEAKER_02]: And things are not looking good. 20:47.527 --> 20:52.975 [SPEAKER_02]: We can say they're they're all kind of hiding in suit storm force field. 20:53.455 --> 20:56.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Are these our soldiers that are that are dead on the ground? 20:57.117 --> 21:00.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, looks like some shield people are getting blown down. 21:00.642 --> 21:03.245 [SPEAKER_02]: And Cap says, we're getting gutted out there, send me in. 21:03.305 --> 21:08.312 [SPEAKER_02]: And Monica says, negative, you're still the president and your security is my top priority. 21:08.953 --> 21:12.377 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she tells Tony to stand by because she needs him to read the energy signature. 21:12.437 --> 21:15.602 [SPEAKER_02]: So these guys on the battlefield, they're not getting very much support. 21:16.723 --> 21:24.053 [SPEAKER_02]: And Hock, I says, I'm going to kick Tony Stark's ass for inventing these rusty and then Falcon points up and says, look, 21:24.033 --> 21:33.639 [SPEAKER_02]: and we see Captain America, the star-spangled man with a plan riding some hover bike in with an American flag behind them. 21:34.862 --> 21:37.369 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny that he's holding the flag. 21:37.389 --> 21:40.337 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so goofy looking. 21:40.317 --> 21:58.157 [SPEAKER_02]: And the face they cut to of him is like also goofy looking, then they show everyone like looking up in the air and they're like, oh, you know, it's supposed to be one of those moments where, you know, cap rides in and it's like a heroic moment and I feel like it could be done better. 21:58.137 --> 22:02.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is like a parody of itself. 22:02.824 --> 22:03.265 [SPEAKER_01]: It does. 22:03.285 --> 22:04.026 [SPEAKER_01]: It does. 22:04.467 --> 22:09.534 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's too bad I have to think that they knew how goofy this looked when they made it. 22:09.554 --> 22:13.180 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they were just kind of fun But they couldn't make it cool. 22:13.541 --> 22:26.220 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like this is like the same level of goofiness as he Takes the oath of office and then runs over to a fighter jet catches a baseball and says I'm off to say today 22:26.200 --> 22:43.500 [SPEAKER_02]: and the Hawkeye looks of it says you gotsy star spangled son of a gun and he says all right troops you just had an honest to god inspirational moment with a living legend don't ruin it let's fight they're glazing him so hard now 22:43.480 --> 22:59.897 [SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, almost immediately Modi also sees this happen and he tells his war machine people to fight and now that I'm reading the text, I think he sends Thor to hit him with some lightning too because we see a crack-a-thume. 23:00.558 --> 23:05.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he points and he says the President fire and then Cap gets blasted out of the air. 23:06.043 --> 23:09.707 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, he was not writing on that thing for very long at all. 23:11.172 --> 23:12.635 [SPEAKER_02]: So now the president's down. 23:12.675 --> 23:14.438 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's now their top priority. 23:14.718 --> 23:16.000 [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're like Ironman. 23:16.020 --> 23:20.388 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go get him now Hawkeye moving for for to, you know, help get him out. 23:20.969 --> 23:22.792 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder who his vice president is. 23:23.513 --> 23:24.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Has he picked one? 23:25.056 --> 23:28.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he had to like when he takes the oath of office. 23:28.402 --> 23:33.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Surely there was someone that was like being sworn in as the vice president too, right? 23:35.412 --> 23:36.414 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it'd be Tony. 23:37.255 --> 23:40.820 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we know it's not Carol because she's his secretary of staff. 23:40.860 --> 23:41.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:42.342 --> 23:43.604 [SPEAKER_02]: So Tony flies down. 23:43.664 --> 23:45.887 [SPEAKER_02]: They're all looking for Cap now. 23:46.809 --> 23:51.135 [SPEAKER_02]: And he says Anthony send out the 23:51.115 --> 24:01.574 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's surrounded by all of his war machine bots and he says I'll take care of the tin men and does a big explosion and fries them all that's peak iron man. 24:01.594 --> 24:06.863 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's funny that he created the war machines. 24:06.843

--> 24:16.831 [SPEAKER_01]: But those are like what he sells to the government and he's he makes sure that his Iron Man suit is still overpowered enough to take all of them out if he needs to Or for something like this. 24:17.493 --> 24:21.865 [SPEAKER_01]: He saved all the good stuff for himself, and that's kind of funny 24:21.845 --> 24:23.006 [SPEAKER_02]: So cap is down. 24:23.547 --> 24:27.552 [SPEAKER_02]: He's surrounded by hydro soldiers and Thor and and Modi. 24:27.592 --> 24:31.717 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi says the president and I have some acquaintance to take care of. 24:31.837 --> 24:36.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't we uncle Stephen and cap looks up and says Thor, what are you? 24:36.883 --> 24:44.452 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi tells him that he wants to initiate the terms or he would initiate the terms of his surrender, but instead he has a better plan. 24:44.552 --> 24:48.477 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to drag Captain 24:48.457 --> 25:05.149 [SPEAKER_02]: across America tied to the hood of a truck and cap looks up and sees the mind gem in moody staff and he says that gem I've seen it before project Pegasus and I think this is moody's first mistake. 25:05.129 --> 25:20.502 [SPEAKER_02]: because he does a little villain monologue here, and he's like indeed the mind gem, and he talks all about the mind gem, and he says, you mortals can never figure out it's power, but it called to me from millennia inside the world tree. 25:20.642 --> 25:21.544 [SPEAKER_02]: It belongs to me. 25:21.705 --> 25:22.767 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my birth right. 25:22.947 --> 25:25.112 [SPEAKER_02]: It comes from Asgard. 25:25.092 --> 25:41.582 [SPEAKER_02]: So as we're doing, as I'm doing another read of this comic right now, I'm thinking that the reason the mind gem called to him is because he already had some like powers to do some mind control stuff. 25:41.562 --> 25:46.050 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was like he was like capable of using it somehow. 25:46.471 --> 26:00.297 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah on account of like being probably that time and that ruin or thala was probably I don't know maybe I'm still stuck on that Okay, now we get a fun little story from history that I enjoyed 26:00.277 --> 26:04.242 [SPEAKER_02]: Because Modi says it comes from me, it's my birth right for it comes from Asgard. 26:04.262 --> 26:13.395 [SPEAKER_02]: And he tells this story and he says, from the days when the kingdom was young Odin, before he was the all-father, Rome the Nine Worlds looking for a challenge. 26:14.236 --> 26:18.862 [SPEAKER_02]: It was said that Hildibard was the most astute giant in Yodinheim. 26:19.423 --> 26:24.850 [SPEAKER_02]: His wisdom and skill created Gambain Teen, a sword that could not be defeated. 26:24.830 --> 26:28.577 [SPEAKER_02]: but Odin's nimble wits tricked Hilton Bird's powerful mind. 26:28.617 --> 26:34.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Odin took possession of Gambantine and used the sword's power to steal Hilton Bird's intelligence. 26:35.348 --> 26:40.898 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I figured out what this story is from the four panels that we get. 26:40.878 --> 26:42.380 [SPEAKER_02]: okay what's that? 26:42.881 --> 26:59.224 [SPEAKER_02]: Odin and this giant they must have been kind of friendly and this has Odin used his wits to trick him into getting his sword so I think Odin faked a fight or maybe he got into a fight with this big wolf 26:59.204 --> 27:02.951 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, oh, no, I need the sword to defeat this wolf. 27:03.452 --> 27:08.782 [SPEAKER_02]: And we can see Hildenbar looking kind of like, you know, worried in the background. 27:08.822 --> 27:12.268 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the next panel, Odin, is walking away with the sword. 27:12.308 --> 27:16.195 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's how he tricked him and to giving him his sword. 27:16.215 --> 27:18.840 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he just didn't give it back. 27:19.501 --> 27:23.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's, uh, let's look at this. 27:23.268 --> 27:30.922 [SPEAKER_01]: through a historical dialectic lens and let's see what Modi sees in this. 27:31.002 --> 27:45.208 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the story of his grandfather's empire being born and it was born through exploitation, right? 27:45.188 --> 27:58.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Hildard, he got the big stick and then he used it and what resulted out of that was Asgard and it was beautiful and it lasted for thousands of years and we need to bring it back up better. 27:59.028 --> 28:04.176 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's fascism, poor Hildard. 28:04.679 --> 28:25.484 [SPEAKER_02]: He was trying to help, he was just trying to help out his buddy, defeat a wolf, and next thing, you know, Odin stole his sword and killed him with it, and, and he said, and then Modi says, but the ardent intent, so he used the sword to steal Hilda Bards intelligence, but the ardent intensity of Hilda Bards mind was too overwhelming. 28:25.945 --> 28:32.172 [SPEAKER_02]: The fabric of the nine worlds collapsed on his awareness and delivered to Odin a gift, 28:32.152 --> 28:39.364 [SPEAKER_02]: Hilda Bard's intelligence is basically the mind gem, so it must have been a really smart, but not smart enough to not get tricked. 28:40.145 --> 28:41.267 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, by a big dog. 28:42.289 --> 28:48.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Just smart enough that when he dies, his brain metastasizes into a gem. 28:49.300 --> 28:51.223 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a kidney stone. 28:52.004 --> 28:52.405 [UNKNOWN]: Okay. 28:53.077 --> 29:04.457 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi says that tremendous intellectual acuity of that old giant concentrated into one gem, with it one can persuade any individual to do almost anything at once. 29:05.359 --> 29:10.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Even now, it is persuading your noble citizenry to join our cause. 29:11.450 --> 29:14.916 [SPEAKER_02]: And it still has enough power to break my father's will. 29:14.997 --> 29:28.652 [SPEAKER_02]: and he has cap if cap understands and he says perhaps a demonstration is in order and then he uses the mind gems power

on Cassie Lang and she uses her big gun because she's a giant lady. 29:29.152 --> 29:37.562 [SPEAKER_02]: She uses her big gun and she shoots the hell of carrier that everyone is on sending it plummeting towards the earth. 29:38.082 --> 29:41.646 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she just picked up a tank and used it as a pistol. 29:42.014 --> 29:42.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she did. 29:42.935 --> 29:44.837 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she did. 29:44.857 --> 29:45.578 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right. 29:46.158 --> 29:47.099 [SPEAKER_01]: These comics rule. 29:47.680 --> 29:48.100 [SPEAKER_01]: They do. 29:48.821 --> 29:52.244 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like the kind of shit I was on when I was eight years old with my toys. 29:54.747 --> 29:59.671 [SPEAKER_02]: And Monica Chang is panicking because now the hell of carrier is going down over Wyoming. 30:00.112 --> 30:02.254 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi's looking up and says a work of art. 30:02.674 --> 30:09.321 [SPEAKER_02]: And Cap says, I don't know what you are, but my people will never give up against monsters like you giving up not in our nature. 30:09.301 --> 30:11.184 [SPEAKER_02]: And Modi says, oh, I forgot you were here. 30:11.204 --> 30:13.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Father, this mortal knows the pride of sin. 30:13.768 --> 30:14.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Please break him of it. 30:15.390 --> 30:25.145 [SPEAKER_02]: And Thor launches into cap, and they have a cool comic book panel of, you know, Thor slamming his hammer down on the shield and the shield rating, and all back. 30:25.846 --> 30:28.951 [SPEAKER_02]: This says, Karakadum to be continued. 30:29.011 --> 30:30.333 [SPEAKER_02]: To be concluded. 30:30.393 --> 30:32.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. 30:32.777 --> 30:33.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:33.398 --> 30:33.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 30:33.799 --> 30:36.102 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what did you think of that one? 30:36.470 --> 30:37.091 [SPEAKER_01]: I liked it. 30:37.311 --> 30:38.132 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a good one. 30:38.173 --> 30:50.731 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was it's a little campy, but I actually I enjoyed it more hearing it from like your perspective because you really brought out the best elements of it. 30:52.133 --> 30:53.115 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this was a fun one. 30:53.816 --> 30:55.238 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, let's see. 30:55.420 --> 31:02.128 [SPEAKER_02]: How about out of your population per cent that's joining Hydra? 31:02.769 --> 31:06.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, in Casper, Wyoming, 80% of the population. 31:07.234 --> 31:08.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, join Hydra. 31:08.355 --> 31:08.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:09.457 --> 31:13.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to give this a, we give this an 84. 31:13.782 --> 31:14.663 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, 84%. 31:14.983 --> 31:16.265 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, 1984. 31:16.525 --> 31:18.407 [SPEAKER_01]: What is our government doing, man? 31:18.387 --> 31:26.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I think that's exactly what I was going to give it because I was like, I wanted to give it higher than an eight, but not quite an eighty eight and a half. 31:26.453 --> 31:29.158 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so I'll give it an 84% also. 31:29.178 --> 31:30.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 31:30.560 --> 31:30.901 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome. 31:31.622 --> 31:34.787 [SPEAKER_01]: So are we ready to move on to issue 18? 31:34.948 --> 31:35.949 [SPEAKER_01]: We're ready to move on. 31:35.989 --> 31:37.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's conclude this run. 31:37.652 --> 31:38.734 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 31:39.395 --> 31:42.140 [SPEAKER_01]: So picking up not where we left off. 31:42.621 --> 31:49.693 [SPEAKER_01]: We see Captain America in a room with Carroll, Tony and Thor and he's reading a statement. 31:49.673 --> 31:54.324 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, my fellow Americans, the Wyoming invasion failed to halt the hydra army. 31:54.344 --> 31:56.269 [SPEAKER_01]: It's our job. 31:56.289 --> 32:04.608 [SPEAKER_01]: This is our expectation that they will succeed in marching down the Rocky Mountains, dividing the United States, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this failure is mine alone. 32:04.628 --> 32:08.357 [SPEAKER_01]: And I take full responsibility, President Steve Rogers. 32:08.337 --> 32:15.857 [SPEAKER_01]: and Thor and Iron Man are like sad and they're like, wow, and he says I wrote it on the hell of carrier on the way to Wyoming. 32:16.298 --> 32:20.670 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't send our troops into battle if I wasn't prepared to take responsibility for the outcome. 32:21.472 --> 32:23.477 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Tony, 32:23.457 --> 32:40.133 [SPEAKER_01]: cracks a smile and says well it's a good thing you won't have to give that downer of a speech and captain america says you're right we did it we won and carol starts to open the door and she's like gentlemen are you ready for the victory parade what a what a stark contrast from where we left off 32:40.501 --> 32:50.013 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is it is and you cut to the the next page and I mean it looks like the it looks like a Super Bowl parade. 32:50.053 --> 33:03.370 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it is like There's ticker tape falling out of the sky all of the heroes are present People are smiling waving American flags and So Captain America tattoos 33:03.350 --> 33:07.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's scan the float here. 33:07.816 --> 33:09.519 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Bobby. 33:09.559 --> 33:10.781 [SPEAKER_02]: I see him. 33:11.522 --> 33:15.708 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, Hugh Jackman's there, and night crawlers behind him. 33:16.489 --> 33:16.869 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 33:17.731 --> 33:19.113 [SPEAKER_01]: And yep, there's Kitty Pride. 33:19.173 --> 33:22.277 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's at least two X-Men that are supposed to be dead. 33:22.938 --> 33:24.981 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought isn't, isn't Wolverine dead. 33:25.021 --> 33:26.824 [SPEAKER_01]: He is and so is night crawler. 33:27.404 --> 33:28.947 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's colossus there. 33:29.107 --> 33:30.589 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of X-Men here. 33:31.008 --> 33:36.276

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, rogue, hmm, I don't know this is weird to me. 33:36.416 --> 33:43.647 [SPEAKER_02]: You know the first part of this that I felt was weird was when Cap says you're right. 33:43.767 --> 33:44.248 [SPEAKER_02]: We did it. 33:44.328 --> 33:44.848 [SPEAKER_02]: We won. 33:45.149 --> 33:48.093 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like that's not a very Captain America thing to say. 33:48.113 --> 33:48.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 33:49.696 --> 33:50.577 [SPEAKER_01]: He was Obama. 33:50.617 --> 33:52.860 [SPEAKER_01]: He would say this is called action. 33:53.561 --> 33:54.823 [SPEAKER_01]: The work is it done folks? 33:55.664 --> 33:57.487 [SPEAKER_01]: It starts with me, but it ends with you. 33:57.527 --> 33:59.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Now get out there in your community. 34:00.877 --> 34:03.200 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, it's a good time. 34:03.260 --> 34:20.305 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone celebrating this one dude has his face painted like an American flag, which is kind of interesting, and anyways, we see like the TV broadcasts reports telling the story and it says after achieving victory in Wyoming, America fell in love with President cap of the new ultimates. 34:20.806 --> 34:22.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Hydro was driven underground, but not defeated. 34:23.069 --> 34:27.055 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking of this as like a news reel bulletin in the foreview. 34:27.375 --> 34:28.116 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 34:28.096 --> 34:32.080 [SPEAKER_01]: They continue to wage war against the citizens of the United States from one coast to another. 34:32.821 --> 34:36.665 [SPEAKER_01]: Abled body Americans turned out and drove to enlist and caps new guard. 34:37.346 --> 34:40.049 [SPEAKER_01]: They made their intimidating presence known across the country. 34:40.590 --> 34:44.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And so now this is another one where it's like something's not right. 34:44.754 --> 34:49.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've literally got ice agents where you like Captain America helmets and patches. 34:50.260 --> 34:56.787 [SPEAKER_01]: It says President caps administration utilized the latest technology to hunt down possible 34:56.767 --> 35:01.058 [SPEAKER_01]: drone like Hornet drones coming into people's houses and killing families. 35:01.619 --> 35:05.269 [SPEAKER_01]: President Cap's authority allowed him to pursue lengthy war against Hydra. 35:05.870 --> 35:08.637 [SPEAKER_01]: Marshall Law stretched into the third year with no end in sight. 35:09.179 --> 35:12.447 [SPEAKER_01]: His promise to achieve victory at any cost. 35:12.427 --> 35:19.903 [SPEAKER_01]: and then we see people like protesting in front of the White House and throwing rocks at you know officers with riot shields. 35:20.544 --> 35:26.076 [SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like Cap kind of descended into, you know, authoritarianism. 35:26.658 --> 35:27.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Fascism. 35:27.940 --> 35:28.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:28.582 --> 35:32.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I hate to get political on this podcast, John. 35:32.930 -->

35:34.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Parenti, rest in peace. 35:34.792 --> 35:37.115 [SPEAKER_01]: He actually just died a couple weeks ago. 35:37.636 --> 35:41.020 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like the greatest academic mind on the left. 35:41.901 --> 36:00.945 [SPEAKER_01]: He has argued that liberalism always leads to fascism because if you are not explicitly against capitalism and colonialism, then you will eventually be co-opted into serving it and the ultimate end for that is fascism. 36:00.925 --> 36:12.167 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do kind of like this idea that like, even Captain America, you know, coming out of something like this can kind of overreach his authority. 36:13.109 --> 36:16.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wanted him to like protect the status quo. 36:17.295 --> 36:25.086 [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to to rationalize this also in us thinking, well, Captain America has been fighting hydra for his entire life. 36:25.968 --> 36:37.584 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not the craziest thing to think that once he got control of the army and everything, he would kind of have a one track mind. 36:37.624 --> 36:42.171 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd be like, I want to 36:42.151 --> 36:49.988 [SPEAKER_02]: And it could, you know, he might start overlooking other things just wanting to be hydra. 36:50.850 --> 36:53.656 [SPEAKER_01]: And to his credit, I mean, that is a thing. 36:53.677 --> 37:01.594 [SPEAKER_01]: The Victorian side of any revolution or conflict has to do is like have some kind of discernment for like, 37:01.574 --> 37:03.616 [SPEAKER_01]: avoiding counter revolutionaries. 37:04.137 --> 37:12.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, if you win and then you're just immediately comb by a like you're allowing the forces that you were just fighting against a chance to reorganize. 37:12.887 --> 37:23.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think what we're seeing here is intentionally it's showing like the pendulum is so long too far in the other direction and and cap is kind of put everyone in a police state. 37:24.102 --> 37:31.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and we see him sitting in the White House at the Resilute Desk, and someone says, Cap, you okay? 37:32.390 --> 37:44.523 [SPEAKER_01]: And then this is strange, because we see the person talking to him as an unmasked Peter Parker, and we see quite a few other people in the room, notably the Scarlet Witch, and Henry Pim. 37:45.103 --> 37:48.547 [SPEAKER_01]: And both of them should be dead, and Cap says, no, this isn't right. 37:48.947 --> 37:52.911 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't what we fought for, Peter. 37:52.891 --> 38:17.380 [SPEAKER_01]: And he smashes the resolute desk with his shield and like jumps back into reality and he's like what where am I and he's back at the fight with Modi and Thor Why would Modi's mind control thing make caps like hallucination devolge into authoritarianism? 38:17.360 --> 38:38.507 [SPEAKER_01]: if he wanted to keep captain america in that state why would why would we even see that page of like everything going wrong right it should end with him dancing in his living room with Peggy Carter it's yes it should um well we're about to find out because moody says 38:38.487 --> 38:49.079 [SPEAKER_01]: the mind Jim, uh, in the case of my father here, it can bend others to my will or in your case, it can make your dreams seem real unlimited power over your beloved country. 38:49.880 --> 38:51.803 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not Captain America's dream. 38:52.443 --> 39:04.257 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, or is that, at the heart of this story, Modi fundamentally doesn't understand who the ultimate is or he doesn't understand who his dad is or why he put him in that tree. 39:04.838 --> 39:06.520 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he, you know, 39:06.500 --> 39:11.577 [SPEAKER_01]: misunderstands Captain America, I think he maybe did expect him to stay in that dream. 39:11.757 --> 39:18.720 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you thought Cap would have any qualms about it and wake himself up. 39:19.156 --> 39:25.285 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Cap says that too, because he says, uh, you don't know me very well. 39:25.365 --> 39:25.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you? 39:26.467 --> 39:31.834 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's like, yeah, I would never, I would never do that with my rain. 39:32.275 --> 39:32.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:33.337 --> 39:36.061 [SPEAKER_01]: And he hits Thor in the head with the shield. 39:36.702 --> 39:39.105 [SPEAKER_02]: And Monica's a good capping right there. 39:39.541 --> 39:45.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, breaking breaking out of the out of the trance is a little mental prison. 39:45.799 --> 39:48.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do like that line. 39:48.246 --> 39:49.590 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know me very well. 39:49.630 --> 39:50.833 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you that's a good one. 39:51.016 --> 40:17.766 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to mention the parade though, because I love the parade, the idea that like they just smash cut into like everyone's cheering for on in the they're going down the street and I know you're never gonna watch it, but one of the best movies I've ever seen is Papariga by Satoshi Cone and there's a really weird sequence in that where like it's about dreams, it's a movie, 40:17.746 --> 40:18.868 [SPEAKER_01]: And they would do that. 40:18.908 --> 40:23.656 [SPEAKER_01]: They would trap someone in a pleasant dream until they just die. 40:23.696 --> 40:30.088 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like kind of like this, you know, pleasant, euthanasia kind of thing. 40:30.729 --> 40:33.173 [SPEAKER_01]: And what it is is it's like a 40:33.153 --> 40:54.722 [SPEAKER_01]: it's a parade where you're just marching and there's just this weird music playing the whole time and there's all these like little Russian nesting dolls and like frogs and walking microwaves and stuff and you're on top of this flow and it's just sensory overload and you're just sitting there waving and you're just walking around the entire world and the parade never stops. 40:54.702 --> 40:59.589 [SPEAKER_01]: and it has no destination, it

has no end in sight, you just march until you die. 40:59.629 --> 41:03.915 [SPEAKER_01]: But it looks like such a cool, happy, festive parade. 41:04.496 --> 41:09.182 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, I saw that scene and I was like, started playing the public, a music in my head. 41:10.024 --> 41:10.785 [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting. 41:10.905 --> 41:12.948 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if that came out before this. 41:13.248 --> 41:16.052 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if there was any, you know, 41:16.235 --> 41:23.223 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if it inspired this comic at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had seen paprika. 41:23.624 --> 41:26.948 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those scenes where once you see it, you never forget it. 41:27.208 --> 41:27.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:28.109 --> 41:38.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Monica Chang comes over the earpiece, and she's like, hey, we're in the hell of carrier, we're going down, we're gonna die, we're kind of fucked, who can help us? 41:38.601 --> 41:41.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's gonna catch me? 41:41.024 --> 41:45.732 [SPEAKER_01]: She says if I let it crash, I'll wipe out everything in a hundred mile radius, including the city. 41:46.353 --> 41:49.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to bring this flying bomb down on the other side of the mountains. 41:49.538 --> 41:52.323 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she's gonna try and crash land it somewhere safe. 41:52.804 --> 41:58.613 [SPEAKER_01]: So they start kind of internally squabbling over what's important, saving the helicarrier or saving cap. 41:59.214 --> 42:03.682 [SPEAKER_01]: And to his credit, Hawkeye says, stopping Hydra is the number one priority. 42:04.142 --> 42:06.947 [SPEAKER_01]: Besides, I heard CapGave Hitler an uppercut. 42:06.927 --> 42:07.768 [SPEAKER_01]: wherever he is. 42:07.828 --> 42:09.270 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's got it under control. 42:09.890 --> 42:13.895 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that because that's a reference to like our universe is Captain America. 42:14.115 --> 42:17.719 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the very first issue of Captain America ever. 42:17.819 --> 42:19.221 [SPEAKER_02]: He's giving Hitler an uppercut. 42:19.581 --> 42:19.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 42:19.882 --> 42:20.823 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the cover of it. 42:21.904 --> 42:26.589 [SPEAKER_01]: John by Jack Kirby like well before Marvel even existed. 42:26.649 --> 42:29.172 [SPEAKER_01]: That was an actual comic from the 40s. 42:29.152 --> 42:32.258 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, was that the timely comics, isn't that what they used to be called? 42:32.678 --> 42:34.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was timely, yeah. 42:34.942 --> 42:47.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's only three characters, I think, that like super heroes, that precede the Marvel Universe, and it's Captain America, name one of the Submariner, and the Human Torch, and they were tiny characters. 42:47.806 --> 42:48.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 42:48.507 --> 42:53.138 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the ladies, I think it's the lady we saw in your issue. 42:53.218 --> 42:54.080 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, I think so. 42:54.120 --> 42:58.391 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, got a gun on Hawkeye and she's like, call off your ultimates. 42:59.152 --> 43:02.601 [SPEAKER_01]: And meanwhile, Thor is fighting cap. 43:03.122 --> 43:06.550 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, moody's like, yes, father, kill him, kill him. 43:07.880 --> 43:11.544 [SPEAKER_01]: And Captain America is, he's about to be dead. 43:11.624 --> 43:13.486 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, he's gonna lose. 43:14.287 --> 43:16.829 [SPEAKER_01]: And he does the whole floor. 43:17.350 --> 43:19.352 [SPEAKER_01]: Hear my friend, remember who you are? 43:19.372 --> 43:20.513 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to fight it. 43:21.094 --> 43:22.415 [SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of build the suspense. 43:22.435 --> 43:24.097 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, maybe he will, maybe he won't. 43:24.177 --> 43:25.018 [SPEAKER_01]: And he does fight it. 43:25.198 --> 43:37.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Just long enough for, for Captain get his shield back and throw his shield at Modi's staff and break Modi's staff and the mind stone. 43:37.411 --> 43:47.854 [SPEAKER_01]: is back under control of himself and the lady that's pointing her shotgun at Hawkeye also kind of comes back to being lucid and she's like, where the hell am I? 43:48.435 --> 43:53.006 [SPEAKER_01]: And that makes me think all of these other hydro people that the heroes have been killing this whole time. 43:53.346 --> 43:56.854 [SPEAKER_01]: Those poor people like they were like making coffee that morning and then 43:56.834 --> 44:01.483 [SPEAKER_01]: They blacked out, don't remember anything else, and then now they're just dead on a battlefield. 44:01.764 --> 44:07.957 [SPEAKER_02]: I think how many people died when all the giant people like grew in size and destroyed all this cars and tanks? 44:08.397 --> 44:10.321 [SPEAKER_02]: And those were all just like normal people. 44:10.943 --> 44:11.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:11.824 --> 44:16.053 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw that the cars and tanks flying around, but there was also bodies flying out of them. 44:16.073 --> 44:18.538 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like they broke open pin yada as of people. 44:18.518 --> 44:24.910 [SPEAKER_01]: So now the fight is over, they're like, oh my god, these people are putting their weapons down, something's changed. 44:25.551 --> 44:29.038 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cassie Lang was one of those people that had been, you know, controlled. 44:29.438 --> 44:32.083 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she's like, oh my god, what did I do? 44:32.103 --> 44:33.927 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, you did a bad thing, Cassie. 44:34.167 --> 44:35.389 [SPEAKER_01]: You shot down the hell of a carrier. 44:35.449 --> 44:36.572 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to catch it. 44:36.592 --> 44:37.894 [SPEAKER_01]: You get to stop it. 44:38.026 --> 44:57.638 [SPEAKER_01]: I say go deep Cassie go deep and she starts running like a wide receiver doing a post route in the Super Bowl and they're like she's wide open a lot of sports

metaphors here and I like don't understand why they're like so hooked on this She runs and then 44:57.618 --> 45:13.028 [SPEAKER_01]: lays out and makes a finger tip grab of the hell of carrier right before it crashes into the mountain and someone yells touchdown so that happened everybody almost died quite a few people did die 45:14.155 --> 45:17.103 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way there's not heavy casualties from this all still. 45:17.665 --> 45:24.765 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, it's, the funniest part about that, that's seeing thinking about it is Monica is on the hell of carrier. 45:24.826 --> 45:26.390 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just crashing. 45:26.410 --> 45:28.857 [SPEAKER_02]: She has no control over it. 45:29.647 --> 45:31.710 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, go deep, Cassie, go deep. 45:32.251 --> 45:33.372 [SPEAKER_02]: We're wide open here. 45:34.173 --> 45:34.574 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on. 45:35.715 --> 45:36.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, touch down. 45:36.476 --> 45:37.037 [SPEAKER_02]: You got us. 45:39.120 --> 45:42.465 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, trips left, 54 y-spiral, on three break. 45:42.945 --> 45:46.630 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's funny that the hellicator is actively still exploding. 45:47.211 --> 45:50.035 [SPEAKER_01]: As she's catching it, like, yes, she might be. 45:50.386 --> 45:56.375 [SPEAKER_01]: catching it, but it's still like the people inside, they're still dying from like fires and explosions and stuff. 45:56.455 --> 45:59.359 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows if you catch it, then it's not going to explode. 45:59.419 --> 46:00.240 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 46:00.881 --> 46:02.384 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, did I do it? 46:02.404 --> 46:03.746 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, you did great soldier. 46:04.226 --> 46:05.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is Monica Chang. 46:05.228 --> 46:08.192 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like climbing out of the hatch of the... 46:08.172 --> 46:11.398 [SPEAKER_01]: of the hell of carrier because apparently she was just right by a window or something. 46:11.839 --> 46:12.561 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like hang tight. 46:12.581 --> 46:27.510 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got an army to lead and so this is where how we know there's still some people who were like hydro loyalists because some of them have not laid down their weapons and the heroes pretty easily dispatch them. 46:27.550 --> 46:28.392 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's 46:28.372 --> 46:30.295 [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't be a surprise at this point. 46:30.395 --> 46:32.858 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a hydrogen bomb versus a coughing baby. 46:33.158 --> 46:39.807 [SPEAKER_01]: But one thing I like is we get a big full-page panel of the heroes just absolutely fucking shut up. 46:40.609 --> 46:49.020 [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like Sam has picked up the tattered flag on a pole that Cap was carrying into battle. 46:49.360 --> 46:55.729 [SPEAKER_01]: And now he's flying around and he's shooting a gun with his left hand and he's holding the flag with his right hand. 46:55.709 --> 46:57.812 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is Cap's vice president. 46:58.293 --> 46:59.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, he might be found him. 47:00.456 --> 47:02.198 [SPEAKER_01]: He, he carries the flame. 47:02.619 --> 47:03.781 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll fight for the gospel. 47:04.361 --> 47:12.533 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if he's actually left handed or if he's just shooting his gun wildly inaccurate, because the shaman was more hand. 47:13.314 --> 47:14.015 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, you're right. 47:14.416 --> 47:15.658 [SPEAKER_01]: But he might be left handed. 47:16.298 --> 47:17.380 [SPEAKER_01]: He might be left handed. 47:17.360 --> 47:39.064 [SPEAKER_01]: the either way i feel like this is not a pistol i mean he should be holding it with two hands and he's definitely not so that he can hold the flag because that's what that was here and then moody is like still kind of crawling around and like sniffling and he's not gonna admit defeat and he's fighting any yells at thore uh thores like my son your cataclysm is over and he's 47:39.044 --> 47:46.982 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't boss me around dad, how dare you, you don't give me orders, pure a failed father, you abandoned me to the cruel churches of the world tree. 47:47.363 --> 47:50.750 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how that feels to fend for yourself with no one to protect you? 47:51.311 --> 47:52.735 [SPEAKER_02]: Here before you do the next one. 47:53.416 --> 47:56.563 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at how he's drawn in the first panel of that scene. 47:56.543 --> 47:57.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he looks like a demon. 47:58.065 --> 48:00.889 [SPEAKER_02]: He does, but then it's not like that with the other one. 48:01.309 --> 48:04.894 [SPEAKER_02]: So do you think that they just drew it fast because he's small? 48:04.934 --> 48:07.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I think it's like a perspective thing. 48:07.538 --> 48:09.100 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's literally his face. 48:09.721 --> 48:10.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 48:10.241 --> 48:13.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it looks like his skin turned into teeth. 48:13.486 --> 48:21.817 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it looks like maybe he like reverted to a different form for a second, like how he because he's so evil or something, you know? 48:21.977 --> 48:24.120 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think all I'm looking for the ring. 48:24.100 --> 48:36.856 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if Loki can kind of take other forms, maybe he can do that, and Thor lifts up his hammer and he says, you are corrupt and contemptuous, you are a shame to your grandfather, Odin. 48:37.537 --> 48:44.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And, Modi says, Father, you will pay for striking down your only son, and Thor does it anyway, because fuck this kid. 48:45.247 --> 48:47.610 [SPEAKER_01]: Thor straight up murders his son. 48:48.113 --> 48:51.937 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's badass, it is. 48:51.957 --> 48:54.140 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't think that they'd do that. 48:54.400 --> 48:55.381 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty ultimate. 48:56.202 --> 48:57.144 [SPEAKER_01]: That is pretty

ultimate. 48:57.464 --> 49:00.147 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm proud of him for having the balls to pull the trigger. 49:00.507 --> 49:00.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Me too. 49:01.368 --> 49:05.633 [SPEAKER_01]: You remember back when Thor was just a CISES lib? 49:06.274 --> 49:08.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wanted to like save the trees and shit. 49:09.057 --> 49:11.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's just like flew around with Doves all day. 49:11.280 --> 49:17.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and now here he is killing his son 49:18.944 --> 49:30.598 [SPEAKER_01]: God bless him and Caps like Thor you'll write and he and Thor is holding the absolutely Like Desimated body of his son. 49:30.658 --> 49:37.686 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it little charred remains He looks like Aunt Baroo after the stormtroopers visit. 49:38.067 --> 49:45.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep And he says don't touch him for all I have done and all I have failed to do. 49:45.455 --> 49:47.618 [SPEAKER_01]: I am sorry my son 49:47.598 --> 49:53.705 [SPEAKER_01]: So he feels bad about it, but you know, that kid sucked, so he shouldn't feel too bad. 49:53.745 --> 49:55.633 [SPEAKER_01]: No, the kid did suck. 49:56.288 --> 50:04.816 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the like Hydra General is kind of trying to rally his troops and some of them are turning on him because they were mine control. 50:04.856 --> 50:06.377 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to be there in the first place. 50:07.038 --> 50:08.999 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I'm in charge here. 50:09.059 --> 50:09.680 [SPEAKER_01]: You fight. 50:09.740 --> 50:15.846 [SPEAKER_01]: We all fight until the country falls and cap steps in front of the gun and he's like, listen, dirt bag. 50:15.886 --> 50:16.967 [SPEAKER_01]: You come at America. 50:17.007 --> 50:17.948 [SPEAKER_01]: You come at me. 50:18.428 --> 50:19.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Take your shot. 50:19.849 --> 50:22.812 [SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of does like a dirty hairy speech to me. 50:22.832 --> 50:26.295 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm not bulletproof. 50:26.275 --> 50:30.882 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are millions of people out there, just like me, who would rather be united than divided. 50:30.922 --> 50:34.267 [SPEAKER_01]: They have tried your brand of poison and they're not buying it. 50:34.768 --> 50:36.290 [SPEAKER_01]: The American people are strong. 50:36.931 --> 50:38.574 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have what it takes to lead them. 50:38.654 --> 50:39.595 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just a thug. 50:40.457 --> 50:46.426 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you've got guts, pull the trigger and the guy kind of stammers and then cap rocks his shit. 50:46.926 --> 50:49.330 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I thought this was him an uppercut. 50:49.310 --> 51:05.344 [SPEAKER_01]: he does yeah and this guy has a mustache so it's kind of like the callback to like the upper cutting Hitler thing yeah I feel like this is like the big group scene that we get at the end of every ultimate story where they're all posing together I like that Jessica drew us there 51:05.324 --> 51:12.112 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Jessica Drew should have her not, not like a relationship relationship, but I think her and Cap should become friends. 51:12.432 --> 51:13.954 [SPEAKER_02]: That probably mean a lot to Cap. 51:14.555 --> 51:15.936 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so too. 51:16.257 --> 51:24.586 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, it sucks that we don't really see her interacting with the ultimates all that much, even though she lives with them and fights with them. 51:25.067 --> 51:32.175 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how many of them really get that she is like Peter's 51:32.527 --> 51:40.562 [SPEAKER_01]: I think some of them do, but I, like, cap was gone for a long time, and he just got back in the picture, and things have been pretty crazy and hectic. 51:40.583 --> 51:44.610 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that they've actually, like, formally introduced him to Jessica. 51:45.151 --> 51:45.732 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 51:45.753 --> 51:50.181 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the next day at the Trisculian, they're kind of going over the situation, and they're like, 51:50.161 --> 51:52.825 [SPEAKER_01]: We've managed to hit the brakes on the secession movement. 51:52.945 --> 52:02.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Some states would be trickier to deal with for others, but for now, we're united, and then Monica says, unfortunately, a good deal of the Hydra Army melted into the mountains before we could capture them. 52:03.159 --> 52:06.544 [SPEAKER_01]: They remain a threat, and then there's the big question mark. 52:06.904 --> 52:12.412 [SPEAKER_01]: The Asgardian Modi location unknown, and he's like, unless you want to illuminate us, Thor. 52:13.293 --> 52:18.480 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they apparently don't know that Thor killed Modi. 52:18.713 --> 52:20.515 [SPEAKER_01]: that'll do Monica, he's been through enough. 52:21.036 --> 52:24.820 [SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like this is Captain Thor's little secret for now. 52:25.241 --> 52:28.465 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Tony says, why all the glum faces? 52:28.525 --> 52:32.269 [SPEAKER_01]: We just fought the second worst civil war this country has ever seen and we won. 52:32.930 --> 52:35.433 [SPEAKER_01]: We just saved the country and they love us for it. 52:35.814 --> 52:38.116 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this would be the second worst civil war. 52:38.797 --> 52:43.483 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this would easily overtake the times of like muskets and horses. 52:43.523 --> 52:46.206 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. 52:46.186 --> 52:54.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, that big of a fight wasn't, but it was all across the country and it was with robots and gods and superheroes and nukes. 52:54.819 --> 52:55.761 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's true. 52:56.822 --> 53:11.164 [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking that when he set it, like second worst civil war, and I was like, well, the writers of the comics want it, want to be like, this is worse than slavery. 53:11.144 --> 53:13.567 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just meant like death count. 53:13.667 --> 53:17.552 [SPEAKER_01]: I

think the death count would be pretty high from this with like modern technology and stuff. 53:17.572 --> 53:23.139 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the death count in the first civil war was so high because it was both sides were Americans. 53:23.760 --> 53:23.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 53:24.281 --> 53:26.944 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's got a higher death count than any other war. 53:27.545 --> 53:28.446 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure America. 53:28.806 --> 53:31.249 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Americans that own slaves should die. 53:31.690 --> 53:33.492 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're not good people. 53:34.213 --> 53:34.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:34.834 --> 53:36.937 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think everyone deserves a second chance. 53:37.157 --> 53:38.899 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:38.919 --> 53:40.341 [SPEAKER_01]: We're hedging our bets here. 53:41.266 --> 53:49.334 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you know, there's a saying, never, never argue with someone John Brown would have just shot. 53:49.755 --> 53:49.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 53:51.557 --> 53:57.703 [SPEAKER_02]: I still bought all those John Brown books like months ago, not a one, has been cracked open. 53:57.723 --> 54:05.691 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a biography of Henry David Thoreau that's been sitting on my desk that I have not opened yet. 54:06.112 --> 54:08.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Both sides are looking at. 54:08.114 --> 54:13.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm so good at buying books due to the day that I can actually lock in and read them. 54:13.699 --> 54:14.039 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 54:14.440 --> 54:15.501 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be unstoppable. 54:15.901 --> 54:17.583 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be like the limitless pill. 54:18.123 --> 54:18.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:19.004 --> 54:19.284 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 54:19.344 --> 54:21.106 [SPEAKER_01]: So Tony's just like counting their laurels. 54:21.126 --> 54:24.249 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, Cap is commander in chief, Monica is the number one spy. 54:24.289 --> 54:26.410 [SPEAKER_01]: The ultimates make the rules now. 54:26.471 --> 54:27.471 [SPEAKER_01]: War is over. 54:27.491 --> 54:31.555 [SPEAKER_01]: Time to rebuild this glorious country and remind the world why America rocks. 54:32.176 --> 54:38.121 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, if there was ever a 54:38.101 --> 54:48.923 [SPEAKER_01]: And the carols like the mayor of New York has asked again about throwing you a victory parade and caps like no carol The people know what we did Well, they know it was for them. 54:49.485 --> 54:50.767 [SPEAKER_01]: We live to fight another day. 54:50.827 --> 54:51.990 [SPEAKER_01]: That's enough reward. 54:52.451 --> 54:54.094 [SPEAKER_01]: We stand together united. 54:54.114 --> 54:55.958 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all the glory we need 54:55.938 --> 55:00.345 [SPEAKER_01]: And as long as we do that, whatever comes next, we'll be ready. 55:00.826 --> 55:08.598 [SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of see like a tease where some scientists are like working with a portal and there's a face that kind of starts looking back. 55:09.019

--> 55:10.261 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to cover with that. 55:10.281 --> 55:11.082 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a face of stars. 55:11.162 --> 55:11.803 [SPEAKER_02]: What is it? 55:12.020 --> 55:20.749 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's eternity, at least, in the main like comics, that would usually be a clue that it's eternity, but I haven't read those issues. 55:21.089 --> 55:22.171 [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't know what this is? 55:22.731 --> 55:23.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't. 55:23.592 --> 55:24.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 55:24.793 --> 55:32.221 [SPEAKER_02]: But what if you like to, era is called Reconstruction, so they are really leaning into the civil war time thing. 55:32.922 --> 55:33.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 55:34.123 --> 55:38.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, man, I really hope President Cap doesn't go to Ford's theater to celebrate. 55:38.748 --> 55:40.069 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 55:42.192 --> 55:42.794 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been there. 55:42.814 --> 55:43.676 [SPEAKER_02]: I have you. 55:44.017 --> 55:46.043 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been in the box. 55:46.064 --> 55:46.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Huh. 55:46.766 --> 55:47.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 55:47.789 --> 55:49.875 [SPEAKER_02]: You can like look at it and see it. 55:50.075 --> 55:52.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can like take your turn, like walking inside it. 55:53.024 --> 55:53.666 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool. 55:54.047 --> 55:54.970 [SPEAKER_01]: That is pretty cool. 55:55.270 --> 55:55.891 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 55:55.991 --> 55:56.552 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we think? 55:56.853 --> 55:57.795 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we think about this one? 55:58.717 --> 56:01.121 [SPEAKER_01]: I like I like this one a lot better than I like tears. 56:01.382 --> 56:03.085 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this one is a lot better. 56:03.205 --> 56:03.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 56:04.027 --> 56:07.093 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this one is a solid nine to end the series. 56:08.015 --> 56:15.810 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed the like switcheroo at the beginning because the first time I read it, I honest to God thought 56:15.790 --> 56:16.311 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. 56:16.371 --> 56:17.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that really what happened? 56:17.673 --> 56:21.257 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just going to say, we beat him. 56:21.317 --> 56:22.279 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it. 56:22.759 --> 56:23.520 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought so too. 56:23.741 --> 56:28.687 [SPEAKER_02]: And then once they got into like the news ticker, then I was like, this is not. 56:29.328 --> 56:29.749 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 56:30.229 --> 56:38.200 [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, I've seen so many, so many things that that pull the bait and switch on you that I was kind of thinking that that it was maybe going to do that. 56:38.280 --> 56:39.522 [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought the same thing. 56:39.542 --> 56:44.228 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, did they really just like wrap it up in between issues, you know? 56:44.208 --> 57:12.443 [SPEAKER_01]: it was a good a well executed bait and switch like it kind of reminded me of some of the nightmare sequences that Peter went through an ultimate spider man yeah or it's like oh boy time to go on my date with Mary Jane and then it's like uh no mother fucker welcome to psychological torture oh yeah Aunt Mary is married to Norman Osborne okay so nine out of ten what 57:12.423 --> 57:13.126 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you know what? 57:13.166 --> 57:14.131 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to change it. 57:14.754 --> 57:18.973 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh 40 out of 50 states united. 57:19.898 --> 57:23.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now 40 out of 50 would be an eight out of 10. 57:23.582 --> 57:25.344 [SPEAKER_02]: So do you want 45 out of 50? 57:25.605 --> 57:27.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, 45 out of 50. 57:27.026 --> 57:30.150 [SPEAKER_01]: They can have North and South Dakota, Wyoming. 57:30.170 --> 57:31.111 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 57:31.131 --> 57:34.094 [SPEAKER_02]: But then we're losing the, the Mount Rushmore. 57:34.715 --> 57:37.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, we want to cross the Coda. 57:37.538 --> 57:38.960 [SPEAKER_01]: We need a different Mount Rushmore. 57:38.980 --> 57:47.830 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to, we need it to be like heroes because, you know, at this point, what is Teddy Roosevelt done compared to Captain America? 57:48.670 --> 57:50.455 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, who would be the Mount Rushmore? 57:50.536 --> 57:52.101 [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be Cap, obviously. 57:52.121 --> 57:53.063 [SPEAKER_02]: FDR. 57:53.445 --> 57:55.030 [SPEAKER_01]: FDR. 57:57.477 --> 57:57.979 [SPEAKER_01]: Aunt May. 57:57.999 --> 57:59.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought you were going to say Aunt, man. 58:00.326 --> 58:03.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Aunt, Aunt. 58:03.284 --> 58:10.135 [SPEAKER_01]: We should put the the Mount Rush the new Mount Rush for directly across from the Mount Rush more of pieces of work. 58:10.555 --> 58:11.577 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 58:11.597 --> 58:13.380 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like choose your side good or evil. 58:13.700 --> 58:13.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:14.661 --> 58:14.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 58:14.962 --> 58:16.264 [SPEAKER_02]: What am I going to rate this one? 58:16.284 --> 58:17.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. 58:17.947 --> 58:20.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Both of these issues were good. 58:20.210 --> 58:28.423 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do like seeing Thor just so blitter-right his son with a big crack of thume. 58:28.944 --> 58:30.266 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really satisfying. 58:30.947 --> 58:31.808 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a character. 58:31.828 --> 58:36.075 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know for very long, but he's just so easy to hate. 58:36.055 --> 58:42.926 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it kind of comes out of nowhere because how many times would you see them be like, he has to stand trial. 58:43.487 --> 58:45.431 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll take him in for this. 58:46.192 --> 58:46.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 58:47.113 --> 58:48.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I can save him! 58:48.195 --> 58:53.504 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Thor is just like, just does a big lightning swing. 58:53.724 -->

58:55.988 [SPEAKER_02]: Just swings his axe right on his head. 58:55.968 --> 59:01.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this kid reminded me of like Prince Jaffrey from Game of Thrones. 59:01.761 --> 59:05.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every time you see him, you're just like, uh, someone step on him. 59:05.829 --> 59:11.482 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give this one a, uh, a 42, which is another 84 percent. 59:11.642 --> 59:15.310 [SPEAKER_02]: So look at that, they both got so 42 out of 50 states. 59:15.374 --> 59:16.316 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 59:16.336 --> 59:16.736 [SPEAKER_01]: Right on. 59:17.257 --> 59:18.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was a fun one. 59:18.840 --> 59:22.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't think there's any way to not make it political. 59:22.586 --> 59:25.851 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's pretty clearly talking about fascism. 59:26.532 --> 59:26.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 59:27.333 --> 59:28.455 [SPEAKER_01]: They did it to themselves. 59:29.296 --> 59:30.278 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no choice. 59:30.779 --> 59:31.260 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. 59:31.941 --> 59:37.670 [SPEAKER_01]: We would have loved to have given you guys a good apolitical romp, but it's these woke writers faults. 59:38.351 --> 59:38.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 59:39.152 --> 59:40.875 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we have next time? 59:41.227 --> 59:45.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Next time we are back in ultimate spider-man, what are we at there? 59:45.674 --> 59:46.776 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it 18 and 19? 59:47.076 --> 59:47.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember. 59:47.677 --> 59:49.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, there's 18.1. 59:50.622 --> 59:52.545 [SPEAKER_01]: So we do have 18.1 of this. 59:53.286 --> 59:56.591 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're, I think we've pretty much finished the story. 59:56.992 --> 01:00:07.048 [SPEAKER_01]: We set out to tell in 01:00:07.028 --> 01:00:07.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:00:07.849 --> 01:00:12.917 [SPEAKER_01]: And then moving forward, it's not really going to cross over that heavily into Spider Man anymore. 01:00:13.638 --> 01:00:15.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we did ultimate. 01:00:15.561 --> 01:00:19.587 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to, are we going to do 18.1 of Spider Man? 01:00:20.127 --> 01:00:21.229 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was the ultimate. 01:00:21.269 --> 01:00:21.890 [SPEAKER_01]: There's 18.1. 01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:25.375 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an 18.1 for Spider Man, too. 01:00:25.355 --> 01:00:27.759 [SPEAKER_01]: They did it, they did it for all of the books that month. 01:00:27.779 --> 01:00:28.781 [SPEAKER_02]: Did we do 16.1? 01:00:28.921 --> 01:00:30.684 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it might be 16.1. 01:00:30.924 --> 01:00:32.567 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the spider, man. 01:00:32.687 --> 01:00:34.791 [SPEAKER_02]: And 18.1 is the ultimate one. 01:00:35.031 --> 01:00:35.933 [SPEAKER_01]: My God, you're right. 01:00:35.993 --> 01:00:36.914 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're doing 16.1. 01:00:36.934 --> 01:00:41.642 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're doing 17 of ultimate spider, man. 01:00:41.743 --> 01:00:44.427 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not going to do 18.1. 01:00:44.407 --> 01:00:47.651 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dude, if we want to read 18.1, I won't stop us. 01:00:47.671 --> 01:00:48.832 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't need to. 01:00:49.092 --> 01:00:49.913 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then let's not. 01:00:49.953 --> 01:00:51.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just go back into Spider-Man. 01:00:51.335 --> 01:00:53.337 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it looks like 16.1. 01:00:53.878 --> 01:00:55.600 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that is, but 17. 01:00:55.660 --> 01:00:57.822 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like he's got Jessica Drew on the cover. 01:00:58.583 --> 01:00:58.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:00:59.504 --> 01:01:05.811 [SPEAKER_01]: And this should they should be pretty related to this story, but it'll tell us more about like miles is perspective of it. 01:01:06.732 --> 01:01:07.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool. 01:01:07.473 --> 01:01:08.254 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:01:08.403 --> 01:01:12.773 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Spider-Man news over, yeah. 01:01:12.793 --> 01:01:15.279 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to get into Spider-Man next week. 01:01:16.061 --> 01:01:19.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Nor can I, so what else do we have? 01:01:19.649 --> 01:01:20.952 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, what else do you have? 01:01:21.313 --> 01:01:25.703 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, has any, we year into architecture school, which, 01:01:25.683 --> 01:01:36.715 [SPEAKER_02]: at all of the web head should write Zach a really nice email and uh and make some sort of art mandalade joke at him because he has her million of those for me already. 01:01:36.756 --> 01:01:38.457 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just you. 01:01:38.498 --> 01:01:42.842 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting him from my dad and a lot of people. 01:01:43.763 --> 01:01:53.074 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that the most famous architect on the entire planet to have ever lived is George Castanza in Seinfeld pretending to be an 01:01:53.982 --> 01:01:54.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 01:01:54.644 --> 01:01:54.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:01:54.844 --> 01:02:04.528 [SPEAKER_01]: No one says, oh, Zach, you're going to be just like Frank Lloyd writer, me, Spandero, or Santiago, Caletra, but it's always, you're going to be George Castanza. 01:02:04.548 --> 01:02:08.278 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, the, uh, faking it, a job. 01:02:08.859 --> 01:02:09.561 [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny. 01:02:09.541 --> 01:02:10.102 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:02:10.122 --> 01:02:11.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have anything left? 01:02:11.584 --> 01:02:13.227 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a jam of the week. 01:02:13.247 --> 01:02:16.933 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to shout out good flying birds from right here in Indianapolis. 01:02:16.973 --> 01:02:20.178 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been listening to their album to Lula's tape a lot lately. 01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:22.742 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't actually a little disappointed dude. 01:02:23.303 --> 01:02:29.052 [SPEAKER_01]: They are playing at State Street Pub, the same night that we are seeing Foxy

Shazam. 01:02:29.032 --> 01:02:33.599 [SPEAKER_01]: And I knew you were about to say that, now this doesn't want to do Foxy Shazam anymore. 01:02:33.619 --> 01:02:34.440 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I do. 01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:35.562 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to, here's the thing. 01:02:35.582 --> 01:02:36.483 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to run by you. 01:02:36.783 --> 01:02:43.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I will figure out, okay, this show on this side of town is going to end early. 01:02:43.513 --> 01:02:46.838 [SPEAKER_01]: And this show on this side of town is going to run late. 01:02:46.818 --> 01:02:50.064 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can make it in time to see that headlining band. 01:02:50.725 --> 01:02:53.811 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is one of those cases where I've like asked them. 01:02:53.831 --> 01:02:55.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, when do you think you guys are going to go on? 01:02:55.293 --> 01:02:56.956 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I don't know, maybe like 10 PM. 01:02:57.597 --> 01:03:02.125 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to ask you if you would be up for a double dose of rock and roll. 01:03:02.847 --> 01:03:05.912 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's only $10 to see good flying birds. 01:03:06.533 --> 01:03:10.260 [SPEAKER_01]: If they still haven't started by the time Foxy ends. 01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:13.887 [SPEAKER_01]: we would be going from broad ripple to state street. 01:03:14.027 --> 01:03:15.610 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd be like a 20 minute drive. 01:03:16.051 --> 01:03:20.680 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to see if we wanted to keep the good times rolling and check out this other band. 01:03:21.181 --> 01:03:23.445 [SPEAKER_01]: What can totally say that she says, I'm going on. 01:03:24.828 --> 01:03:28.114 [SPEAKER_01]: It says that that show starts at like seven, but 01:03:28.938 --> 01:03:30.520 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they haven't opened her. 01:03:30.980 --> 01:03:33.223 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if they do, they haven't, like, named them. 01:03:34.024 --> 01:03:36.166 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't play very long headlining sets. 01:03:37.427 --> 01:03:39.349 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'll take it back to you on it. 01:03:39.990 --> 01:03:40.250 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:03:40.731 --> 01:03:44.836 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that sounds like it could be fun, but I'd have to run that by the boss. 01:03:45.516 --> 01:03:46.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I understood. 01:03:46.658 --> 01:03:49.140 [SPEAKER_01]: I also have to run it by my boss and she'll be with me. 01:03:49.401 --> 01:03:49.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:03:51.703 --> 01:03:53.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so wait, what was the jam of the week? 01:03:54.006 --> 01:03:58.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Just the whole album to Lulis Tape by Good Flying Birds. 01:03:59.785 --> 01:04:03.630 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to all the web heads for leaving us a review or comment. 01:04:03.690 --> 01:04:05.813 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find us the first read ultimate spot. 01:04:05.833 --> 01:04:08.877 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, oh, I did it, I've done it again. 01:04:09.257 --> 01:04:10.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Happens once an episode, full of. 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:10.759 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 01:04:11.901 --> 01:04:17.248 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find us the first read ultimate spider ran podcast on Spotify or Apple music or anywhere else you listen to podcasts. 01:04:17.868 --> 01:04:25.318 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can leave us a comment on Instagram at first read podcast, send us an email at firstreadspidey at gmail.com or find us on YouTube. 01:04:25.779 --> 01:04:28.442 [SPEAKER_02]: The first read ultimate spider ran podcast. 01:04:28.422 --> 01:04:29.400 [SPEAKER_02]: See you next week. 01:04:30.032 --> 01:04:30.602 [SPEAKER_02]: See ya.