บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 36 - Inspired by True Events, Balancing Muse and Manuscript

That was fantastic. To me, that was just, the story around it felt like shit. 00:05:01.391 --> 00:05:06.723 Felt like utter utter shit but that one element but that one element just drove 00:05:06.723 --> 00:05:11.473 me insane i was like this is fantastic you mean more insane further further 00:05:11.473 --> 00:05:13.901 insane than i currently am treatment is being solved that it was. 00:05:16.233 --> 00:05:20.293 It was just wonderful there was just just this this single line was me going 00:05:20.293 --> 00:05:21.306 oh my god this is fantastic, 00:05:22.049 --> 00:05:26.253 the show ultimately ended as in the show was terrible the show ultimately ended 00:05:26.253 --> 00:05:31.463 with a incredibly bad ending oh no which suggests that And she suggested that. 00:05:33.190 --> 00:05:36.300 If I remember correctly, and I think it was cancelled, so they basically, 00:05:36.300 --> 00:05:38.936 I think they managed to get an episode just to finish it out, 00:05:39.923 --> 00:05:48.050 that there was a scene where a guy was explaining that there was a Aztec remote 00:05:48.050 --> 00:05:51.761 control, a TV remote control, as in a, made of stone. 00:05:52.087 --> 00:05:57.100 Right. And it was some, it was about, some bullshit about narrative and about 00:05:57.100 --> 00:05:59.732 this, and I was like, it made no fucking sense. Okay. 00:06:00.563 --> 00:06:04.899 But they won't. Ditch all that then. And I was like, okay, well, what did the line mean? 00:06:05.549 --> 00:06:10.620 And there was no answer to it. And I was so, so pissed off, because every time 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:11.458 I thought about this line, 00:06:12.096 --> 00:06:18.120 every time I thought about this effect of, like, there was an old Outer Limits, 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:22.701 it was Twilight Zone, where the guy had discovered the meaning of life, 00:06:23.550 --> 00:06:25.670 and every time he had told someone, they went insane. 00:06:25.670 --> 00:06:27.930 Yeah, we were talking about this before, yeah. 00:06:28.270 --> 00:06:32.110 Great premise. Yeah, so you want to hear it, but you're going to go insane. 00:06:32.630 --> 00:06:39.650 Or do you think you have the mental wherewithal? Yeah, I can survive this. I can survive this. 00:06:40.330 --> 00:06:43.890 I won't go, yeah. I'm fine. Well, you people are going insane, 00:06:43.890 --> 00:06:45.125 but I'm strong enough mentally. 00:06:45.345 --> 00:06:48.440 My mind is a steel trap. Well, yours definitely is. 00:06:49.170 --> 00:06:52.104 Nothing gets in, nothing gets out. Never. Hey. 00:06:54.608 --> 00:07:00.790 So this is the type of heavy influence. the because every time I had to, 00:07:01.910 --> 00:07:07.730 I remember writing a doc just opening my glass I was just splurring out just words onto, 00:07:08.410 --> 00:07:14.190 a word doc just to get it out of my head because it was just it was so profound 00:07:14.190 --> 00:07:17.570 to me yeah you wanted to see what you could do with it immediately like straight 00:07:17.570 --> 00:07:19.077 away but it's someone else's words, 00:07:20.034 --> 00:07:23.518 and it's not and it's so it's like it's very much, 00:07:24.313 --> 00:07:28.948 it's like a magic spell yeah that but it kind of goes back to like the would 00:07:28.948 --> 00:07:31.343 be real world examples of like the whole 00:07:31.755 --> 00:07:36.388 MK Ultra project all these conspiracy theories about you know men who stare 00:07:36.388 --> 00:07:41.278 at goats yes you know that whole aspect of you know there has been human, 00:07:41.778 --> 00:07:43.998 real world exploration of the. 00:07:45.378 --> 00:07:53.394 Bizarre the occult perhaps you know the pushing of the human mind and brain beyond. 00:07:53.667 --> 00:07:55.664 Assuming that's where it goes. Yeah. 00:07:56.105 --> 00:08:00.378 But it could go anywhere. Yeah, yeah. That's what's great about it. 00:08:00.378 --> 00:08:05.408 That line, the first thing I thought was that because they're dealing with worlds 00:08:05.408 --> 00:08:10.359 inside of worlds, what if it's a, it's just, I'm unplugging myself from the Matrix. Yeah. 00:08:10.853 --> 00:08:14.708 Yeah, and they show up somewhere else. No, no, they just unplug themselves from 00:08:14.708 --> 00:08:19.055 the Matrix and their body is dead just as with Switch and APOC in the Matrix. 00:08:19.398 --> 00:08:22.834 The bodies in the Matrix drop dead as they get removed. Yeah. 00:08:23.558 --> 00:08:28.082 And I said that they are just they're popping out into the Nebula because they're going I'm fine. 00:08:28.738 --> 00:08:30.549 Hey, this thing snaps off. Remove. 00:08:30.932 --> 00:08:32.878 And so they look like they're dead but actually they're fine. Yeah. 00:08:33.398 --> 00:08:37.518 And that's just one many, many ways of going. There's also I don't know if you 00:08:37.518 --> 00:08:39.402 ever you read Ian M. Banks. 00:08:40.087 --> 00:08:45.858 No. The culture novels. They're inside the culture. The culture is this galaxy 00:08:45.858 --> 00:08:48.718 spanning incredibly far futuristic sci-fi. 00:08:49.278 --> 00:08:53.708 Where all these AI minds they have all these weird names for a ship which are 00:08:53.708 --> 00:08:58.885 fantastic yeah the ultimate ship the second and anticipation of a new lover's arrival. 00:09:00.256 --> 00:09:03.352 The better than Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man put together? 00:09:04.243 --> 00:09:07.483 No, no, no. The SS better than Superman and Spider-Man put together. 00:09:07.483 --> 00:09:09.378 Decent names. Oh, that was Peter Griffin's boat. 00:09:09.804 --> 00:09:13.887 That doesn't, no, no, doesn't work. But there was all these wonderful names. Yeah. 00:09:14.261 --> 00:09:18.933 And they had a special service. They had a secret service that went around just 00:09:18.933 --> 00:09:22.520 knocking over governments. Okay. And it was called Special Circumstances. 00:09:23.363 --> 00:09:29.323 Okay. And that is such a good name. I like that. I mean, it is just what we

00:09:29.323 --> 00:09:31.563 do. We handle special circumstances. We handle... 00:09:32.503 --> 00:09:37.253 Get the job done. And whether or not it's the, hey, these things just snap off, 00:09:37.253 --> 00:09:42.323 or special circumstances, you can change it. You can go, these are unusual events. 00:09:42.908 --> 00:09:49.112 We work for UE. Yeah. It's like, no, it'll always be lesser than. 00:09:49.275 --> 00:09:56.589 It'll always, always, always be lesser than this heavy inspiration that sits in my head. So it's... 00:09:57.543 --> 00:10:00.723 How do we deal with it? Other than ignoring it, other than never, 00:10:00.723 --> 00:10:03.845 ever touching that idea, because it's so... 00:10:04.350 --> 00:10:08.483 Yeah, but yeah, I don't think you can be afraid of the inspiration either when 00:10:08.483 --> 00:10:14.462 it comes, or not afraid necessarily, but if the inspiration is there, 00:10:15.343 --> 00:10:19.222 I mean, if something like that is hitting you with such meaning... 00:10:21.343 --> 00:10:25.853 I feel like you should always embrace that feeling anyway, not necessarily the 00:10:25.853 --> 00:10:29.983 wording specific, but the concept of, 00:10:30.743 --> 00:10:36.948 what you are finding inspirational from it is not necessarily the arrangement of the words. Yes, it is. 00:10:39.003 --> 00:10:43.673 In this case. No, no, yes, it is. Yeah, but in this case, not all inspiration hits you the same. 00:10:43.673 --> 00:10:48.543 I know, I know, but it's, it is, whatever the, that's one thing, 00:10:48.543 --> 00:10:52.443 if you're talking about lesser inspiration, like the things we talked about, 00:10:52.443 --> 00:10:55.837 the idea of certain aspects of your next book. 00:10:56.748 --> 00:11:00.713 Have, or inspired in certain ways, and you go, oh, that's a great idea. Yeah. 00:11:01.305 --> 00:11:04.633 And it can be filtered in, then that's, I guess, the lesser form, 00:11:04.633 --> 00:11:07.226 or at least the workable form. 00:11:07.656 --> 00:11:12.384 But this is so monumentally influential, or monumentally, it's like, 00:11:12.622 --> 00:11:17.843 it's like, It's the difference between finding a piece and finding something 00:11:17.843 --> 00:11:20.673 that is almost fully formed. 00:11:20.673 --> 00:11:26.115 Okay, yeah. It's like saying that, like, special circumstances is, they're just great. 00:11:26.903 --> 00:11:32.273 It's like, I've often said that I can take a book down, one of my role-playing 00:11:32.273 --> 00:11:36.083 game books, off the shelf, flick through it, and read any page. 00:11:36.083 --> 00:11:38.195 Yeah. And suddenly, it's there. 00:11:38.700 --> 00:11:43.343 It actually recently happened that I plucked down the Changeling The Lost, 00:11:43.903 --> 00:11:48.193 which is the new New World of Darkness book and I just flicked through it and 00:11:48.193 --> 00:11:51.913 I happened to be sitting on the toilet I just happened to be having a nice long 00:11:51.913 --> 00:11:56.343 bowel movement and I went I happened to just flick through the pages and the 00:11:56.343 --> 00:11:58.823 page happened to talk about a fetch do you know what a fetch is? 00:11:59.363 --> 00:12:05.863 Nope a fetch is a Changeling as in the thing that's left in a person's place a Changeling, 00:12:06.563 --> 00:12:09.513 as in the baby gets taken the human baby gets taken and the thing that's in 00:12:09.513 --> 00:12:13.883 the place is a fetch it's the changeling it's the it's the creature yes, 00:12:14.403 --> 00:12:17.833 and sometimes it's if it's a baby it's a changeling if it's a human if it's 00:12:17.833 --> 00:12:21.705 an adult there's a fetch and they're always just slightly odd okay um. 00:12:22.847 --> 00:12:28.879 And this suddenly created an entire story for one of my, so essentially I have 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.089 book three ready to go as soon as I finish book one and then book two. 00:12:32.350 --> 00:12:37.284 I have book three now story written out before I got back to my computer, 00:12:37.609 --> 00:12:42.579 as in the 10 second one, 20 second one, between toilet and desk. 00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:47.540 I had- The mind was working. I had so many scenes just go, okay, 00:12:47.767 --> 00:12:50.054 it wasn't a fully thing, but I was like, that's how it starts. 00:12:50.507 --> 00:12:53.439 Then there's a flashback. But it's an inspiration cascade. Yeah, 00:12:53.439 --> 00:12:57.188 exactly. And it was from a single page. Yeah, sure. Of a single book, you know. 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:06.029 But that is an inspiration moment where it then fits into an existing series. It's existing, like... 00:13:06.674 --> 00:13:10.493 But I suppose if you're doing, like, a massive... 00:13:12.962 --> 00:13:18.062 Something that is extremely inspirational like that starts the neurons firing 00:13:18.062 --> 00:13:23.803 and like you were saying it was giving you these ideas and giving you ideas so like you can take, 00:13:24.563 --> 00:13:28.348 even something as small as an image and that could fit into a small part, 00:13:29.222 --> 00:13:33.102 of a story you can kind of you're kind of lifting and placing copy paste, 00:13:34.302 --> 00:13:36.926 not copy paste but you're on the you're, 00:13:38.302 --> 00:13:41.942 on the point or on the problem of the point should I say yeah But, like. 00:13:44.522 --> 00:13:48.902 The degree to which the inspiration affects, like, in this situation, 00:13:48.902 --> 00:13:55.164 it seems like a small thing that you think is absolutely brilliant is now spawning. 00:13:55.588 --> 00:13:58.762 It's blooming all these ideas in your mind. 00:13:59.302 --> 00:14:08.142 From, yes, so from the fetch idea, that is just a, because I always say that, 00:14:08.142 --> 00:14:10.962 this is three world darkness books, they're always very, very well written, 00:14:10.962 --> 00:14:13.374 or at least they tune into me very well. Yeah, okay. 00:14:13.713 --> 00:14:18.200 That I can do this, or I flick through, did it

read, and suddenly I want to write. Yeah. 00:14:19.222 --> 00:14:24.885 So maybe that's because that's how I came up on reading these books. 00:14:25.211 --> 00:14:26.319 Maybe that's the reason for it. 00:14:27.943 --> 00:14:33.294 But having the moment of inspiration that then spawns out, having a seed that spawns out, 00:14:34.188 --> 00:14:39.184 this has been compared to having a fully finished oak tree that you're looking 00:14:39.184 --> 00:14:44.352 at going, this is the most beautiful oak tree I've ever seen in my life. This is the tree of life. 00:14:44.677 --> 00:14:47.734 This is neurohazardous. I want to chop it down and put it in my garden. 00:14:47.734 --> 00:14:51.274 I do not want to touch it. I do not want to adjust. 00:14:52.214 --> 00:14:58.334 Every acorn is perfect where it is. it is a one the way the sun is rising behind 00:14:58.334 --> 00:15:02.469 it oh my god this is absolutely perfect and i do not want to, 00:15:03.178 --> 00:15:05.734 i want to almost talk about it 00:15:05.734 --> 00:15:10.533 yeah it's almost like i want to describe it rather than write it anew um. 00:15:12.183 --> 00:15:15.511 And it need taking say the hey these things snap off, 00:15:16.637 --> 00:15:21.596 at no point in that story did they talk about someone going out of the matrix 00:15:21.706 --> 00:15:24.264 yeah so me writing a story about 00:15:24.264 --> 00:15:28.709 someone going out of the matrix is and because it ended the way it did, 00:15:30.055 --> 00:15:34.975 It's your interpretation of the inspiration is providing this roadmap for you. 00:15:34.975 --> 00:15:36.291 But it's still the same line. 00:15:36.547 --> 00:15:38.747 And I think I don't want to touch that line. 00:15:39.362 --> 00:15:44.885 And that's the problem. Yeah. Well, I think like if I write a space opera where 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:49.765 there is a secret agent who's working for a clandestine government who's going 00:15:49.765 --> 00:15:52.124 to go down and fuck over a government, 00:15:52.629 --> 00:15:54.574 I so want them to be from special circumstances. 00:15:55.575 --> 00:15:58.788 I absolutely do. I just do. Well, that's great. 00:15:58.957 --> 00:16:01.775 No, but they can't be from special circumstances, because that's from another 00:16:01.775 --> 00:16:04.495 great writer. Yeah. But, I mean. 00:16:06.735 --> 00:16:12.062 It's a good sign, though, that certain things can grab your attention. 00:16:12.422 --> 00:16:13.835 That is a sign of a good writer. 00:16:14.915 --> 00:16:20.425 If they can write something that you go, that just lights a fire in your mind 00:16:20.425 --> 00:16:22.784 of creativity in and of itself. 00:16:23.109 --> 00:16:29.755 But it's difficult then, I mean, it comes down perhaps to the quote-unquote 00:16:29.755 --> 00:16:32.662 character of the writer as to, 00:16:34.395 --> 00:16:40.825 how far they will kind of draw outside their own lines to draw that Sharpie 00:16:40.825 --> 00:16:46.412 around someone else's line to try

and incorporate it into their own tornado path. 00:16:46.603 --> 00:16:50.705 Yeah so that's where we get the problem of between inspiration and plagiarism 00:16:50.705 --> 00:16:52.315 yeah and that's the thing, 00:16:53.155 --> 00:17:00.755 that so it's at what point can I say that this line is it was you know I spiraled 00:17:00.755 --> 00:17:04.616 off it's like I don't know if you ever watched the the movie Finding Forrester, 00:17:05.266 --> 00:17:12.855 it was yes Sean Connery yeah one of his last movies where the part of the plot is he gave Jamal, 00:17:13.775 --> 00:17:18.385 a story of his of one of his own stories gave him inspiration just gave him 00:17:18.385 --> 00:17:20.952 typing and then it became his own story. 00:17:22.606 --> 00:17:29.366 So you could say that acknowledging that this is where it's from is either pleasures or fanfiction. 00:17:30.326 --> 00:17:31.446 Fanfiction! There you go! 00:17:32.986 --> 00:17:38.146 And stop the clock. Producer, stop the clock. How long it took him to mention 00:17:38.146 --> 00:17:40.466 fanfiction. And the clock just reset itself. What? 00:17:41.386 --> 00:17:46.333 So we just passed 14 minutes. It was almost like it hit zero again. Start again. 00:17:47.126 --> 00:17:52.286 But the, but it's the, it's, you want there to be an honesty. 00:17:52.965 --> 00:17:57.566 Of course. You want it to be a, kind of a discipline thing then. Exactly, yes. 00:17:58.006 --> 00:18:03.513 Self-discipline. That surely that you can get there through another way, 00:18:03.847 --> 00:18:07.302 but it'll always, always, always be almost less than. 00:18:07.703 --> 00:18:12.950 Yeah. Because it's like, I'm terrible. Actually, I wanted to mention something before I moved on. 00:18:13.357 --> 00:18:17.706 When you mentioned the idea about writers kind of seeing good things in other 00:18:17.706 --> 00:18:19.832 writers it's one thing I always like about, 00:18:20.806 --> 00:18:24.646 British comedy shows especially British panel shows like Mocked Week especially 00:18:24.646 --> 00:18:29.256 the early Mocked Week guys because there's a lot of guys who would kind of like 00:18:29.256 --> 00:18:34.246 this was Frankie Boyle and Russell Howard and they all have their bits and you can see, 00:18:35.166 --> 00:18:39.136 they're reading off bits that they have written they're gaming things out for 00:18:39.136 --> 00:18:42.996 their own cassette and I love the fact that you could see them kind of someone's 00:18:42.996 --> 00:18:44.181 sitting back going, go on, your turn. 00:18:44.576 --> 00:18:50.206 Yeah. And with them laughing at one of those sets, that's really that. 00:18:50.206 --> 00:18:56.193 So if a comedian is laughing at comedy, I take that as top-notch stuff. Yeah, it's strong. 00:18:56.385 --> 00:19:01.598 And that's like, I want to write that better than you. It's like the whole principle of science. 00:19:02.752 --> 00:19:05.730 I want to be, I want to figure out this before you do. 00:19:06.107 --> 00:19:09.345 Trust but verify. I trust what you've done, but I'm going to... 00:19:09.345 --> 00:19:11.305 I'm going to test this. Yeah, I'm going to test this theory. 00:19:11.305 --> 00:19:12.915 You got there first. Yeah. 00:19:13.315 --> 00:19:16.035 So it's, so that sort of thing is so... 00:19:16.535 --> 00:19:18.477 You want to be the Mozart to their Salieri. 00:19:21.075 --> 00:19:23.959 If possible. Yeah. So it's the, 00:19:25.764 --> 00:19:33.195 no matter what you do in the future, you'll always remember that you're trying 00:19:33.195 --> 00:19:37.785 to almost subvert the initial point of inspiration. 00:19:37.785 --> 00:19:46.145 Yes, this heavy chunk, it's almost like this leaden it's so it's like a brown 00:19:46.145 --> 00:19:52.005 dwarf star weight it's mownier you can't lift it, but it's there and it's wonderful. 00:19:52.005 --> 00:19:55.765 I want to be worthy Yes, you want to be worthy to wield it but you know you 00:19:55.765 --> 00:19:57.568 can't because you're not Thor. 00:19:57.783 --> 00:20:02.345 You're not whoever wrote this. Yeah. So you want, you know, so you can go off 00:20:02.345 --> 00:20:07.995 and try and get someone else's, but it's never truly going to be anything else. Yeah. 00:20:09.485 --> 00:20:15.575 So it's kind of along the lines of, well, the question then becomes as to, 00:20:15.575 --> 00:20:18.505 you're not, again, character, your 00:20:18.505 --> 00:20:22.275 own character says you're not going to straight off rip this thing off. 00:20:22.275 --> 00:20:25.490 You're not going to plagiarize it because that's abhorrent to. 00:20:28.135 --> 00:20:33.685 Your own sensibility of being an author, is that it's an integrity thing. 00:20:33.685 --> 00:20:36.795 It's like, okay, I have this massive point of inspiration and I'm going to be able to do it. 00:20:37.460 --> 00:20:43.217 I'm not going to just lift it. I'm going to, but there are like the, 00:20:43.217 --> 00:20:44.727 the power of that inspiration. 00:20:44.727 --> 00:20:49.897 Again, like I said, if it's, if it's firing off potential like stories, 00:20:49.897 --> 00:20:55.287 just from the very concept, uh, is, is, is, is creating these worlds in your 00:20:55.287 --> 00:20:57.950 head at the time that I think that's perfectly fine. 00:20:58.310 --> 00:21:03.755 You know, the, that's, that's kind of hopefully is inspiration rather than, 00:21:04.083 --> 00:21:09.837 you know, just plagiarism is, is, when the idea and the concept and, 00:21:11.269 --> 00:21:16.087 the idea behind the idea, as well as the deeper meaning of something that is 00:21:16.087 --> 00:21:22.937 inspiring, if you were to, you can still use most of that. 00:21:24.417 --> 00:21:29.201 Without taking the central actual text. 00:21:30.017 --> 00:21:33.015 You can take the feeling behind it, you can take the vibe of it, 00:21:33.276 --> 00:21:36.963 you can kind of mold it and shape it into something that you want to say. 00:21:37.485 --> 00:21:39.766 Because you don't

want to say what that other writer has said, 00:21:40.497 --> 00:21:43.022 but you like the way he said what he wanted to say. 00:21:43.671 --> 00:21:51.066 Yes, but, and the problem is that it's like taking Highlander and removing the line that Konami won. 00:21:51.757 --> 00:21:55.948 It's not the same thing. Yeah. I shall be singular. 00:21:56.632 --> 00:22:00.760 It's, you know, you can go through the synonym battle, the thesaurus, 00:22:00.886 --> 00:22:04.867 and go, let's find a different wording of this. 00:22:04.867 --> 00:22:09.877 And it just feels flat because it's like that thing because you're essentially, 00:22:10.517 --> 00:22:12.297 removing the heart as if imagine, 00:22:13.037 --> 00:22:17.337 you reverse that sentiment yeah you're saying you want to include the heart 00:22:17.337 --> 00:22:20.967 really that's the you know you want that as much we can write stories until 00:22:20.967 --> 00:22:23.957 we're blue in the face but we need to have the heart there and essentially if 00:22:23.957 --> 00:22:27.857 we are removing that heart then it's i don't. 00:22:30.735 --> 00:22:36.175 Yeah, but there is a potential there once it's removed to fill that void with 00:22:36.175 --> 00:22:41.835 something else that mightn't feel to you as good as the thing that inspired you. 00:22:42.255 --> 00:22:46.035 But to someone reading your stuff, they might think that this is a phenomenal 00:22:46.035 --> 00:22:49.215 idea that they've never heard of or seen before. Because they mightn't be aware 00:22:49.215 --> 00:22:51.017 of where your inspiration comes from. 00:22:51.675 --> 00:22:56.955 And that is a challenge. Yeah. That is how far you need to move away. 00:22:56.955 --> 00:22:58.140 Again, take Highlander for example. 00:22:58.429 --> 00:23:01.163 If you have a bunch of people who are hacking each other's heads off, 00:23:02.283 --> 00:23:06.855 that is a concept and like you compare say Highlander to Highlander 2 as in 00:23:06.855 --> 00:23:11.465 Highlander 2 bean movie not a Highlander movie but still a good enough bean 00:23:11.465 --> 00:23:15.365 movie as in good popcorn movie great and has people hacking each other's heads off, 00:23:16.056 --> 00:23:20.475 so and has some scenes of that so and I would say those two are completely different genre, 00:23:21.215 --> 00:23:24.465 completely different movies that they have one's fantasy one feels more like 00:23:24.465 --> 00:23:28.365 some fiction yeah absolutely so there is there And that's exactly what they 00:23:28.365 --> 00:23:30.046 are. So they're, they're completely different. 00:23:30.429 --> 00:23:33.385 So you could almost say that the first one doesn't know anything, 00:23:33.385 --> 00:23:35.395 the second, or the second one doesn't know anything, the first one. Yeah. 00:23:36.858 --> 00:23:41.131 So, but you could say that the reason why the second one is so bad is because 00:23:41.131 --> 00:23:44.691 the heart of it was removed, that it wasn't about immortals, 00:23:44.691 --> 00:23:46.251 it was about these weird aliens. Yeah. 00:23:46.477 --> 00:23:50.157 So, and because, and you can say, well, it's doing the same things. No, they're not. 00:23:50.901 --> 00:23:56.461 So it's. It didn't even say, we're going into, we could deep dive into Highlander 00:23:56.461 --> 00:23:59.651 2 and who just inconsistent it was with the previous one. 00:23:59.651 --> 00:24:03.701 You don't know what's going on there. like oh if we don't do another movie about 00:24:03.701 --> 00:24:05.601 this we lose the license yeah, 00:24:06.201 --> 00:24:09.441 it's kind of what it felt like rush something together and we'll just film it 00:24:09.441 --> 00:24:12.961 and sure we'll pay the actors whatever we need to sure sure yeah yeah because 00:24:12.961 --> 00:24:16.831 like you know that that is the one thing that stuck out was that conor mcleod 00:24:16.831 --> 00:24:20.821 and ramirez knew each other on the other planet even though ramirez, 00:24:21.741 --> 00:24:25.956 you know and they're called i i believe they call each other by those names 00:24:26.287 --> 00:24:31.645 on the alien planet they do so Conor McLeod of no particular clan Yes, 00:24:32.330 --> 00:24:37.757 Happens to know this Ramirez guy Who's a very kind of You know Spanish name, 00:24:38.441 --> 00:24:39.731 Yes well he's Egyptian Yeah. 00:24:41.741 --> 00:24:45.618 Even though Ramirez is thousands of years older. Yeah. 00:24:46.059 --> 00:24:50.657 So there was no, you can't follow the logic from the first one into the second one. Nope. 00:24:51.145 --> 00:24:54.406 Without just ignoring the events of the first one. Yeah, maybe separate things. 00:24:54.545 --> 00:24:58.851 Yeah. But I still like, I still appreciate, I used to like it more, 00:24:58.851 --> 00:25:02.730 but I still appreciate Islander 2 as just a sci-fi B-movie. 00:25:04.036 --> 00:25:07.581 I will have to compare that to anything being put out today and say that one's 00:25:07.581 --> 00:25:10.729 fucking better than any of the Netflix shit that gets pumped out. 00:25:11.420 --> 00:25:16.488 Last house piece of shit anyway but so but I actually want to add one thing, 00:25:16.952 --> 00:25:20.797 so as almost like oh we have second act so I heard this, 00:25:21.416 --> 00:25:25.101 there's a guy who does D&D shorts very funny guy I can't remember his name I 00:25:25.101 --> 00:25:28.191 will throw the link in somewhere yeah I love the way we do our research for 00:25:28.191 --> 00:25:29.381 these episodes oh yeah yeah but, 00:25:30.241 --> 00:25:37.341 he is he referenced a D&D idea yeah where there's a truth serum but it's not 00:25:37.341 --> 00:25:41.221 that the person has to speak the truth it's that whatever they speak becomes 00:25:41.221 --> 00:25:44.311 the truth oh wow so like the bart simpson, 00:25:45.341 --> 00:25:48.601 uh right in another the halloween episode where like uh. 00:25:49.941 --> 00:25:54.855 America was now founded by some guy but it's actually becomes the

truth yeah 00:25:55.018 --> 00:25:58.003 so this becomes a power and this is a great idea, 00:25:58.897 --> 00:26:03.161 but again you have the source it's like it's like the inception idea of think 00:26:03.161 --> 00:26:05.661 don't think of an elephant what do you think about i think of an. 00:26:06.788 --> 00:26:09.641 You already know you know and 00:26:09.641 --> 00:26:14.809 this is completely about the respect one has for just another character. 00:26:15.922 --> 00:26:21.300 As an example, in work, I have found online solutions for technical problems. Yeah. 00:26:21.672 --> 00:26:28.182 And one of those problems is a bunch of Power BI code that I take out and I 00:26:28.182 --> 00:26:30.587 drop into a Power BI and it works. Okay. 00:26:30.773 --> 00:26:35.028 The person who created that code is some Indian fella or girl, 00:26:35.155 --> 00:26:39.852 don't know who they are, but their name, I insist that their name is part of 00:26:39.852 --> 00:26:41.917 that code every time I put it in. 00:26:42.637 --> 00:26:45.682 It's just part, it's commented out. Yeah. This is a stop going. 00:26:45.682 --> 00:26:49.347 This is the comment. They have their name, the date that it was prayed on. 00:26:49.643 --> 00:26:53.812 It's coming up. I insist. Yeah. That every, and I've, credit where credit is 00:26:53.812 --> 00:26:58.882 due. This person will never, ever know that I've done it. Yeah, but you'll know. I know. 00:26:59.382 --> 00:27:01.652 And that's, and that's the, that's the real important thing that I'm, 00:27:01.652 --> 00:27:05.458 that I think I'm, I'm pressing there. That the person who wrote, 00:27:05.859 --> 00:27:10.967 hey, these things snap off, may never read the story I wrote, I write. 00:27:11.802 --> 00:27:15.452 Someone may never read it, but I don't know. I don't know. that that's where 00:27:15.452 --> 00:27:20.685 the inspiration came from yeah and it's it's and for a very long time, 00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:27.175 it was killing me that i couldn't work oh yeah until one thing happened, 00:27:28.009 --> 00:27:32.452 let's have it what was that one thing that happened i found his inspiration 00:27:32.452 --> 00:27:37.906 point oh interesting i found where he got the line from oh right. 00:27:38.811 --> 00:27:43.642 How different was it it's the same line oh no way it's the same line it's from 00:27:43.642 --> 00:27:46.012 a Gary Larson cartoon. Excellent. 00:27:46.681 --> 00:27:51.818 It's two bears looking at one another saying, hey, these things just snap right off. 00:27:53.102 --> 00:27:57.983 You were talking about arms and legs? Oh, no, no. As in, they're manacles. Okay. 00:27:58.442 --> 00:28:02.639 And looking at it, hey, these things just snap right off. And I was like... 00:28:03.852 --> 00:28:07.806 It was just a throwaway line. Yeah. It was, for this writer, 00:28:07.973 --> 00:28:15.160 a throwaway line. They picked up, I was like, I can use it. Suddenly it unlocks. 00:28:15.791 --> 00:28:19.780 But it's, and that moment... Takes it back to first principles. Oh my God! 00:28:20.244 --> 00:28:25.469 Yeah. And that moment of me going, I was like, now I have to fucking write it. 00:28:26.439 --> 00:28:31.310 It was just... Or you could, you know, thumb your way through an old Gary Larson 00:28:31.310 --> 00:28:38.060 book of Farside, you know in comics and go oh there's a much better line well no, 00:28:39.340 --> 00:28:42.920 no no no no that's no that's just no that's silly 00:28:43.320 --> 00:28:48.760 this the inspiration has already happened the weight the blinding light of inspiration 00:28:48.760 --> 00:28:53.520 has already happened i don't want i don't need to seek it again of again something 00:28:53.520 --> 00:28:57.390 else it doesn't need to be something else it can be the exact thing so. 00:28:58.870 --> 00:29:04.637 And again things it for for For a vast majority of writers, for anyone who uses AI, 00:29:05.263 --> 00:29:07.892 this isn't a thing. Yeah. This is not an issue. 00:29:08.300 --> 00:29:12.043 Anyone who's using AI in any way should... They don't toil and trouble over... 00:29:12.734 --> 00:29:15.280 They don't fucking care about this. The moral questions, yeah. 00:29:15.320 --> 00:29:19.850 You know, they're not writing, they're just curating. It's anyone who's writing a story... 00:29:20.260 --> 00:29:23.988 Because what they'll do is they'll put that line in as a prompt, 00:29:24.348 --> 00:29:29.060 and suddenly they'll have a 400-word, 600-word, you know, a few pages afterwards, 00:29:29.060 --> 00:29:31.522 and it's like, fuck them. Yeah. 00:29:31.932 --> 00:29:35.403 And it is, that is the difference here. That it is. 00:29:38.010 --> 00:29:41.077 You know, I've talked about inspiration, I've talked about plagiarization, 00:29:41.900 --> 00:29:48.090 plagiarization, plagiarization, plagiarization, and now, we've talked about 00:29:48.090 --> 00:29:53.070 fanfic, and we now come back because AI is, it's, 00:29:54.990 --> 00:29:59.540 The one thing I was watching, I think you actually recommended a guy you saw 00:29:59.540 --> 00:30:06.690 who's using an AI novel generation tool and was taking people through it. Oh, okay, yeah. 00:30:08.370 --> 00:30:13.630 And the fact that he looks very much like me was very much annoying. No. Your cousin, right? 00:30:15.235 --> 00:30:18.590 Well, at least he's American, so there's no chance of confusion. 00:30:18.590 --> 00:30:21.724 But it was it was it was so, 00:30:22.598 --> 00:30:27.790 it my only hope is that these people finally realize that that they haven't 00:30:27.790 --> 00:30:32.213 created anything yeah that that they're not, 00:30:32.962 --> 00:30:39.920 benefiting from this this process of worrying of of getting inspired yeah they're 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:44.040 paddling around in the shallow end they're not even doing that they're sitting 00:30:44.040 --> 00:30:46.210 on the bank they're just I mean, 00:30:47.050 --> 00:30:49.890 and I've talked about about looking at,

you know. 00:30:52.185 --> 00:30:55.749 In work, I just do not use AI at all and recommend against it. 00:30:56.295 --> 00:31:03.572 It's, it's a tool, you use it, but this way of using it, it's just, 00:31:05.410 --> 00:31:06.433 there's no inspiration there. 00:31:07.455 --> 00:31:10.746 There's no. Spark. Artistry there. Yeah. 00:31:10.955 --> 00:31:14.849 And it is, I can feel myself thinking, this is arrogant, but I was thinking, 00:31:14.989 --> 00:31:19.240 well, I write these funny stories about, you know, like vampires and spaceships 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.042 and aliens and, and, and weird, weird wizards. 00:31:22.228 --> 00:31:30.080 And it's still the sequence of words that me or you put down has never, 00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:33.247 ever been put down in that order by another human being, 00:31:33.932 --> 00:31:37.880 or another being ever in the, in this universe has never been put down that way. Exactly. 00:31:38.570 --> 00:31:42.918 The thing that's being generated by these non inspired, just, 00:31:43.330 --> 00:31:45.827 I want to produce something. Yeah. 00:31:46.221 --> 00:31:48.265 I want the production at the end. 00:31:48.914 --> 00:31:53.180 That is, hopefully they realize that they're not producing anything or that 00:31:53.413 --> 00:31:54.765 something has been produced. Yeah. 00:31:55.096 --> 00:31:57.441 It's like Milli Vanilli. 00:31:58.463 --> 00:32:04.249 Accident touchdown. Insofar as, yeah, they were a massively popular act that 00:32:04.249 --> 00:32:10.566 were, you know, collectively, their whole apparatus behind them was producing these hit songs. 00:32:11.232 --> 00:32:15.019 And yeah, they were going in the charts and they're selling records and they 00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:18.181 were doing it. But when it came down to actually doing it. 00:32:18.744 --> 00:32:22.169 Yeah, they couldn't. They couldn't. And they got found out. Absolutely, 00:32:22.169 --> 00:32:24.410 yeah. And when they did, that was career over. 00:32:24.990 --> 00:32:31.459 Yes, but I. So even if these are so-called AI authors, at some point they'll 00:32:31.459 --> 00:32:36.219 have to do it and then be found wanting, they will have been waged, 00:32:36.219 --> 00:32:37.233 they will have been measured. 00:32:37.552 --> 00:32:42.499 I don't think it's the same in that the... It's not a live performance. Exactly. 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.923 So that someone, it really depends on the reader. 00:32:46.922 --> 00:32:52.279 Because while we have our own understanding or we have our own understanding of what... 00:32:52.750 --> 00:32:55.066 I saw this quote where it said. 00:32:57.939 --> 00:33:06.779 All AI slop is hateful all your AI images are hateful your AI pamphlet is terrible 00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:11.299 your AI post is terrible and my response was that no it's, 00:33:12.199 --> 00:33:17.609 what you perceive to be AI is terrible the song that you're humming along to 00:33:17.609 --> 00:33:22.042 that was AI created that you like it's not terrible it's still AI slop, 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:30.656 So it is the experiencer, the reader, the listener, who is making determination 00:33:30.656 --> 00:33:32.128 about whether or not this is good or bad. 00:33:32.633 --> 00:33:39.496 The production that this person who makes by curating a novel through an AI 00:33:39.496 --> 00:33:43.716 generation tool, that they have no real impetus in. 00:33:45.176 --> 00:33:49.835 They have never had what we're talking about. The question, questioning ourselves 00:33:50.002 --> 00:33:51.996 about inspiration or plagiarism. 00:33:51.996 --> 00:33:56.016 How far should I go on this and yeah inspiration and well much like those Milli 00:33:56.016 --> 00:33:59.786 Vanilli fans in the audience they weren't the ones to discover that they were 00:33:59.786 --> 00:34:03.080 lip syncing you know but when they did sure, 00:34:03.725 --> 00:34:04.776 that was the end they were like 00:34:04.776 --> 00:34:08.393 wash their hands of that yeah but you also imagine people who will still, 00:34:09.078 --> 00:34:11.556 listen to them who will still listen to those albums and still listen to those 00:34:11.556 --> 00:34:18.992 songs yeah because they can't they can't get away from it it's a sunken cost fallacy so it's so, 00:34:19.802 --> 00:34:25.293 it's those people and we're being two of them that struggle with, 00:34:26.059 --> 00:34:31.986 influence yeah who struggle who go i'm not going to plagiarize this person or 00:34:31.986 --> 00:34:34.086 i'm not i'm going to even if it's you, 00:34:34.773 --> 00:34:38.621 know plagiarism is even not even a thing because there's there's plenty of of 00:34:38.801 --> 00:34:43.436 cases you probably seen yourself on on booktube or yeah about 00:34:43.871 --> 00:34:49.326 people who are who are writing books that are so identical to one another but 00:34:49.326 --> 00:34:50.866 it's still not in the realm of plagiarism. 00:34:51.138 --> 00:34:56.496 Well, I have had certain comments in relation to the Night of Gale Garra, 00:34:56.496 --> 00:35:02.486 the first one, that were questions as to where the idea came from. 00:35:02.486 --> 00:35:05.694 I know more than one individual. 00:35:06.019 --> 00:35:10.454 One person was like, in relation to, okay, Geist is part of the Night Watchman. 00:35:11.528 --> 00:35:18.912 And Game of Thrones famously has the Night's Watch. Yes. So they were like, is that just that? 00:35:19.521 --> 00:35:22.128 Are they just... Yeah, that's an idiot. And I'm like, well... 00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:26.990 No, no, no, no. Because all you have to do is go history, not watch. 00:35:26.990 --> 00:35:28.142 Yeah, it just sounds close. 00:35:28.345 --> 00:35:33.204 So the person who didn't bother going to... Before questioning your honor, 00:35:33.471 --> 00:35:36.890 questioning your ability, didn't go into Google. 00:35:37.470 --> 00:35:41.383 Yeah. Because I imagine he or she did this over the internet. 00:35:41.731 --> 00:35:45.650 And didn't go

to Google and put in Night's Watch and found the fucking history, 00:35:46.610 --> 00:35:50.508 that goes through the entire world about. 00:35:50.909 --> 00:35:55.279 First off, I appreciate the indignation on my behalf. That's great. Thank you very much. 00:35:56.250 --> 00:36:00.360 I don't know the background as to where the comment came from, 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.810 but my answer was no, they're totally separate. 00:36:03.938 --> 00:36:08.950 They sound similar, but the other one was in relation to the whale riders. Okay. 00:36:09.450 --> 00:36:17.613 And someone saying well that's like in Avatar 2 where they ride sea creatures, 00:36:18.147 --> 00:36:19.470 is that where you got that idea, 00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:25.870 or was it some people might think you're just lifting that idea and I was like nah this is. 00:36:26.985 --> 00:36:35.611 Way in advance of Avatar 2 ever being conceived of shall we say or especially not just the timing, 00:36:36.970 --> 00:36:41.020 oh sure and you'll get that like talking about negative commentary and this 00:36:41.020 --> 00:36:46.771 is part of the part we mentioned before about about things like a big build up. 00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:52.556 I've got comments on the first book I have of Conamancy saying that it's cliched, 00:36:53.248 --> 00:36:54.299 because I had to establish, 00:36:55.003 --> 00:37:01.592 If you, by the time you get to the third book now, it's all, 00:37:01.592 --> 00:37:06.683 you know, as in, I basically went, this is going to start from a baseline. 00:37:06.787 --> 00:37:12.058 Yeah. And the first book goes, here's things slowly, but surely growing. Yeah. 00:37:12.325 --> 00:37:17.062 That, I didn't have any elves, dwarves, anything like that until the second 00:37:17.062 --> 00:37:19.152 book. The second book? The dwarves? 00:37:19.692 --> 00:37:25.299 In the second book, yeah. Yeah, Stormhold. But I make reference to a family, 00:37:25.812 --> 00:37:31.042 in the Docklands that Edgar knows, who were very, kept themselves, 00:37:31.477 --> 00:37:32.702 and then suddenly one night left. 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.413 Yeah. Because they're all growing pointiers. 00:37:36.092 --> 00:37:43.005 Yeah. And their kids were profoundly declaring basically different characteristics. Yeah. 00:37:43.249 --> 00:37:45.652 This particular place was very much anti-magic. It was, it was, 00:37:45.652 --> 00:37:48.401 it was, or magic was anti-all that stuff. 00:37:48.708 --> 00:37:52.862 So they, or they were anti the foreigner, essentially. 00:37:53.649 --> 00:37:58.112 So these things were built up that I always knew. 00:37:58.692 --> 00:37:59.662 As we've talked before, I always 00:37:59.662 --> 00:38:03.365 knew the reasoning and the why for behind all the stuff that's there. 00:38:04.405 --> 00:38:07.361 When, so when someone goes this cliche, it's like, well, wait, 00:38:07.361 --> 00:38:10.301 wait for book two and then book three and then book four. And you see it all. 00:38:10.521 -->

00:38:15.510 You're like, I designed it this way. Yeah. That you are seeing the basic version of it. 00:38:15.661 --> 00:38:18.976 Yeah. Because I'm not spending my entire time going, by the way, 00:38:19.173 --> 00:38:21.281 all the wizards in this are based on this, this, this, this, 00:38:21.281 --> 00:38:21.881 this, this, this, this, this. 00:38:22.481 --> 00:38:25.481 I'm not telling you. It really annoys me that. 00:38:28.058 --> 00:38:31.531 When someone makes a comment going, I really like the world building of this 00:38:31.531 --> 00:38:35.581 novel, I go, you haven't fucking seen the world building of that novel. 00:38:36.021 --> 00:38:42.081 If you have, then that author didn't do a very good job at doing the building because it should be. 00:38:42.441 --> 00:38:45.441 A front loaded exposition for 50 pages. 00:38:45.941 --> 00:38:48.742 Yeah, exactly. They spent so much time doing exposition. Tough. 00:38:48.910 --> 00:38:50.971 You may have seen the foreground. 00:38:51.458 --> 00:38:55.661 Yeah. And you may love the foreground. which is great so you see part of it 00:38:56.102 --> 00:38:59.931 but it's very much are you like the feel of of what you're reading and like 00:38:59.931 --> 00:39:01.542 you know that's the world building is like, 00:39:02.481 --> 00:39:05.762 this small section that i'm reading about hints, 00:39:06.615 --> 00:39:12.043 well at things that i like i i would make it stronger than him i'd use the metaphor that, 00:39:12.792 --> 00:39:16.879 it's like driving in a car a smooth you're driving on smooth, 00:39:17.581 --> 00:39:21.401 i'd really like to drive of this car you have no idea about the engine you have 00:39:21.401 --> 00:39:25.921 no idea about the technology you have no idea about the nature of the road and that you're or, 00:39:26.401 --> 00:39:29.641 the nature of the tires you might be on slicks you may be on whatever you have 00:39:29.641 --> 00:39:34.331 no understanding of the entire package you just go you're just having having 00:39:34.331 --> 00:39:38.261 the sensory input of that exact moment exactly yeah yeah so the so, 00:39:39.163 --> 00:39:44.109 when you have all these uh the the these moments of inspiration when you have, 00:39:45.216 --> 00:39:49.922 It is a, and I always say that it's always up to the reader to kind of go, 00:39:50.177 --> 00:39:51.542 they get to make the decisions. 00:39:52.452 --> 00:39:56.415 But you also have to accept that they don't have all the information. Yeah, yeah. 00:39:57.575 --> 00:40:04.045 And it is up to us, whether it be, because in this case, the idea of this heavy 00:40:04.045 --> 00:40:07.455 inspiration, we're not even talking about a realm of plagiarism. 00:40:07.455 --> 00:40:12.864 Players but we are aware or we are respectful, 00:40:13.515 --> 00:40:18.955 that this idea came from somewhere else yeah but like in in ancient greek society 00:40:18.955 --> 00:40:23.239 when it was the muses it was they were actual embodiments that would inspire artists, 00:40:23.790 --> 00:40:28.825 and they would plant these ideas and inspirations into the artist oh sure but 00:40:28.825 --> 00:40:33.187 we talked about that the idea that the muse ascends and suddenly yeah That line wasn't written by me. 00:40:34.110 --> 00:40:40.125 But that is a, I guess, genuine, or at least, I describe it as genuine inspiration 00:40:40.125 --> 00:40:42.975 or perhaps that you're unaware. Yeah. 00:40:43.695 --> 00:40:48.245 It's a humanly recognizable phenomenon that happens to most people, 00:40:48.245 --> 00:40:50.535 I'd say, at some point in their life. I don't know. 00:40:52.235 --> 00:40:56.175 I don't think you can say that. Whether it's an idea of how to put up the shelf 00:40:56.175 --> 00:41:00.735 properly, or it's an idea of, you know, how to deliver a particular report and work. 00:41:02.646 --> 00:41:06.135 Inspiration does happen, I'd say to most people at some point. 00:41:06.995 --> 00:41:11.045 You've watered down inspiration a fuck ton if it's how to put up a shelf. But, yeah. 00:41:11.045 --> 00:41:15.315 Well, if you've never done it before, an epiphany might arrive and you might 00:41:15.315 --> 00:41:23.709 go, ah. What I was saying was that that moment of Muse may simply be you've forgotten the origin. 00:41:24.952 --> 00:41:30.119 Because we don't have... You're thinking, what a great idea I had all by myself and on my own. 00:41:30.664 --> 00:41:34.002 Yeah. It was like, oh, that's the same ideas. You can imagine a different version 00:41:34.002 --> 00:41:36.512 of Al riding down the line. Like, isn't that just Star Wars? Oh, fuck. 00:41:37.332 --> 00:41:39.632 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a different version of Al riding down the line. 00:41:39.632 --> 00:41:41.492 Hey, these things snap off. That's a fucking great idea. 00:41:42.112 --> 00:41:45.302 And not remembering that it came from a TV show from the late 90s, 00:41:45.302 --> 00:41:48.329 early 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a... 00:41:49.074 --> 00:41:52.663 It's a... Like, have one of your characters screaming, there are four lights. 00:41:53.672 --> 00:41:56.870 Yeah. Well, no, yeah. Yeah, but like... I came up with that. 00:41:57.410 --> 00:42:01.186 But I remember a case where before I had read Song of Ice and Fire, 00:42:01.429 --> 00:42:04.632 a friend of mine was at me going, you have to read this book, 00:42:04.632 --> 00:42:05.920 you have to read this book, you have to read this book. 00:42:06.234 --> 00:42:11.793 And he told me about the scene where Danny got the unsullied, 00:42:12.468 --> 00:42:14.230 where she trades away one of the dragons. 00:42:14.618 --> 00:42:17.652 But the way he described it wasn't as it happened in the book, 00:42:17.652 --> 00:42:18.797 nor happened in the TV show. 00:42:19.812 --> 00:42:24.305 Right. It was, or at least the impression I got was that she walked away with the army. 00:42:24.799 --> 00:42:28.272 Turned around and then walked straight back again i went i'm going to use my 00:42:28.272 --> 00:42:33.663 army i'm going to take down this this place rather than going you're dragging you know dracorus, 00:42:34.554 --> 00:42:39.722 so but if i had not never read those books and i say the never tv show never 00:42:39.722 --> 00:42:46.120 happened 15 years later i'm i'm remembering a version of a version of a story yeah yeah then, 00:42:46.652 --> 00:42:51.402 that could be popping my head as a moment of muse yeah yeah exactly and i i 00:42:51.402 --> 00:42:54.626 remember something similar happening in relation to interview with the vampire, 00:42:55.317 --> 00:42:58.986 because when the movie came out the Brad Pitt Tom Cruise movie yeah. 00:42:59.937 --> 00:43:05.654 There were events like those i think it's in part in theater the vampire where 00:43:05.654 --> 00:43:10.106 they arrive in the movie and they're coming down i was convinced i was convinced 00:43:10.337 --> 00:43:13.808 that elements not that weren't even in the book, 00:43:14.636 --> 00:43:19.384 happened when i tried to remember like the movie after i left the cinema and 00:43:19.384 --> 00:43:23.529 kind of thinking about i hadn't seen it more than once at that stage but i was like i had read the book, 00:43:24.134 --> 00:43:28.554 and i was like wait hang on did that happen did they show that in the movie 00:43:28.554 --> 00:43:31.464 i remember something happening and then i went to the book and i was like it 00:43:31.464 --> 00:43:32.673 wasn't there either i was like, 00:43:33.268 --> 00:43:36.494 i can't remember now where i'm getting this idea that this thing happened sure 00:43:36.494 --> 00:43:40.977 sure yeah it's like i'm misremembering both things both the book and the movie 00:43:41.349 --> 00:43:45.924 to create this other event that i was convinced i had read before oh sure yeah 00:43:45.924 --> 00:43:47.154 well i think that's i guess, 00:43:47.794 --> 00:43:53.024 an odd again where the muse goes this happened or this is an idea that you're 00:43:53.024 --> 00:43:56.054 it's almost like plugging in to the source of, 00:43:56.814 --> 00:43:59.082 it clearly so similar it must be the same, 00:44:00.778 --> 00:44:06.565 so yes that is us yeah we're just a quick shot pew pew. 00:44:08.841 --> 00:44:11.954 Sometimes I don't know why I don't know why I come back, 00:44:14.114 --> 00:44:20.824 pew pew just bring it to the end this has been fictional problems and we were 00:44:20.824 --> 00:44:25.314 inspired to wrap this episode up keep watching the skies.