บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Return on Experience: Investing in Public Art

example of how to get something like that off the ground. 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:30.639 Paving the way. 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:31.120 Yeah. 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:38.160 So that's a those are really great examples to highlight. 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:46.079 Um, sometimes when we think about art, we might think about it as just decorative, but it's more than a decoration or a pretty picture. 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:53.680 It really has an impact on the community and and the place that you're in is shaped by the things around you. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:05:09.199 And when those things are um thoughtful and planned and complementary to the infrastructure and the natural surroundings, all of those things contribute to that feeling of place. 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.319 So let's talk a little more about that. 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:19.519 Art from um not just the enjoying art perspective, but art from the impact on the community perspective. 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:19.920 Yeah. 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:21.199 What do you think, Amy? 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.519 I think that art is around us every day in ways that you might not think. 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:37.759 Um things like benches, signage, you know, I think in we had talked before this, we were sit down to record, and you had mentioned even the iconicness of the lift bridge, you know, is artistic in some way. 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.519 And that we're already kind of surrounded, surrounded by art. 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:49.199 And that the more art there is, there's like a reason to to pause and and say, Whoa, like this is like making me feel something. 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:50.480 Like it feels alive. 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:56.240 The village feels alive if you're walking down the sidewalk and you see a really cool mural or a really cool sign. 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:58.319 So I just that's my take on it. 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.560 I don't know if you have anything that you want to add. 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:01.199 I agree. 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:06.240 I worked in the village of Fairport for almost 30 years, and on my lunch break, I would take a walk every day. 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.680 And I was just stunned by the number of people who are out, no matter what the weather is. 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:16.079 There's people out walking, and there really is, it does feel very alive. 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:28.879 There's so much interactivity and things happening, and people are stopping and talking and chatting and looking at at you know, looking at the bridge or looking at the mule next to the bridge, but you know, the the artwork in Caneli Park. 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.399 Yeah, there are so many things that bring people out. 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.480 Um, make it pre-vibrant. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:34.800 Right. 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:46.000 There's even like a um along the wetlands, like that trail, there's these like metal sculptures that also are signs, but they're actually beautiful sculptures that if you haven't seen, you should take a look. 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:51.759 Um, there's just a lot of interesting art just kind of sneakily around, like that you might not think about. 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:52.480 Exactly. 00:06:52.639 --> 00:07:02.800 Those sculptures were actually OCED OCED placed those structures on on both ends of the wetlands, but also if you as you're walking, you'll notice there's also a sundial. 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.720 And these were my favorite pieces because it just fits that site so well. 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.000 It's it's very natural, made of stones that were made from the canal. 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:10.560 So cool. 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.800 So canal rocks that were hauled up and and made into a sundial. 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:22.399 And as you're walking by, you can see people stop and read it and you know try to interact with it and and figure out what time is it. 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:29.759 Yeah, it's really cool that you actually stand at a certain spot and you put your hands above your above your head and the sun creates your shadow. 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.319 It just is like a life-size human scale. 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:33.759 It is really neat. 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:34.399 It's great. 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:41.759 Um, this is a great conversation because it really highlights uh kind of two diametric points. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.600 Art gives you a reason to move, it highlights the walkability. 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:50.240 You don't just um go from point A to point B. 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.759 You are on your way, and you also might pause and linger. 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:07.120 So it invites you out and it invites you into a place, but then it allows you to spend more time in that place and it contributes to that experience while you're in our village. 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:16.240 Whether you might just be taking a break on for lunch and you've got 15 minutes, or whether it's intentionally attracting you. 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:26.079 And that's another great contributor from that economic development perspective, is that art can be a benefit from a tourism perspective. 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.199 So let's talk about that a little bit. 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:53.360 The idea that um having art in your community, whether it's a an iconic piece developed by a famous artist, or having things where people can engage and and connect to either the natural surroundings like the sundial at the canal, or um both of those help draw people to your space. 00:08:53.600 --> 00:09:03.440 So what do you guys think about the thing about the mule and how if you're um somebody coming here for canal days or for you know more than canal days, we're more than canal days, folks. 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:15.120 Um but even if you come on a nice weekend and you're walking down the shops and you're grabbing a coffee and your kids like they see that mule and they want to go

over there, you know, that draws in families because it's an experience for the children. 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:25.440 And then then it's like, oh, the parents could sit and enjoy a little cup of coffee while the kids enjoy photos with the mule, and it's just like an engaging experience and it's memorable. 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:35.279 So I think like the idea that then your kid a year later is like, what we're gonna go back to the mule, or you know, so it's it's something that can stick with you. 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:36.399 Yeah, we got it. 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:37.039 What do you think? 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:42.480 Yeah, and me for the meek is if they go a little farther back into the park, they see the mice from Mouse Paint. 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:43.279 I love those mice. 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:58.159 Mouse Paint is, I don't know if you remember from when your children were little, Mouse Paint is a a wonderful book about colors, and there's the three mice outside the children's room of the Fairport Library, and they get dressed up for every season. 00:09:58.399 --> 00:09:59.279 I didn't know that. 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:07.759 To check them out because and and it becomes another touchstone, a a point for people to go and see what are they wearing today? 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:13.279 You know, it's fourth of July, are they gonna have their hats on or you know, and it's it's another piece. 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:23.440 Um and there there are places like that all over the village where where you're walking along and you don't realize you're gonna see art until all of a sudden you do like the back of the wayfinding signs. 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:24.080 Yep. 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:31.120 Those it's they're signs that tell you where you are, but on the back of them are the Canal Days posters, and they're just beautiful. 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:31.519 Yeah. 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:36.399 There's another little mural that just suddenly popped up right near the plant shop. 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:41.360 Um, crop me up, and you go around the corner and it's like this cute little mural with like frogs, I think. 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:42.159 It's so cute. 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.200 It's kind of like, oh, it's a it's a fun surprise. 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:54.559 It is, and um, I don't know for sure this is the reason behind that, but when the uh store owner Sabrina. 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:56.000 That sounds right. 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:56.799 We'll look it up. 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.759 Selena, we love you, Selena. 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:10.320 Um her her ideal would have been to open up that that side and put there used to be a window there on that side of the building. 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.080 And she had wondered, could we open up the window and could the window come back? 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.120 And maybe it it turned out that she couldn't do that. 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.240 And instead, now there's a really cool mural there. 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.559 So instead of just leaving that like an ugly space, I'm sure she was behind the creation of that mural. 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:34.480 It's a piece of what's inside of that store, it's an indicator of what you're gonna experience when you turn that corner and pop in. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.159 And it's another thing that just makes you feel great when you're walking down the street. 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:43.600 You see that and and you feel like you're in a a place where people are happy. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:44.879 Yes, yeah, right? 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:45.600 It's a great place. 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:52.879 All of those things are about um something we were just learning about and talking about art in the public realm. 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.320 And it's this concept of return on experience. 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.519 So um we always hear about return on investment, and that's an important thing. 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.360 But when you think about return on experience, well, what does that mean? 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.840 It means people go to a place and they spend their time and money. 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:13.120 And when they leave that place, how do they feel? 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:24.960 You know, did they, was their experience enough to make them say, that was a worth worthwhile investment of my visit, my time, my money, you know, the valuable moments we have with our family. 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:26.639 Was that worthwhile? 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.799 Did I have that return on experience? 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.039 And all of the things that we're talking about on our village contribute to that feeling. 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.200 How did people feel when they were there? 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:36.799 Will they come back? 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:46.879 And not that not only ties directly to the tourism component, but at the higher business level, if people want to come here, then businesses want to come here. 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:52.559 So, Amy, let's talk about business investment in a place and why does art matter then? 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:58.399 Yeah, I just think that people want to invest where they feel feel something and they feel connected. 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:13.519 So, to your point, if somebody is thinking about where they want to open a boutique or where they want to open their financial services firm and they want their employee, they're like, Oh, I remember that one time that I walk along the canal at lunch and I just feel like my stress melts away. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.799 And then, you know, that's the experience I want for my five employees. 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:18.480 So you think, I want to be in Fairport. 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:19.440 What's in Fairport? 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:31.759 Somebody, you know, uh opening up a boutique might say they've walked down Main Street and had an enjoyable experience, or they've chatted with a shop owner who

just has loved being here. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.000 So people want to be where they feel good. 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:37.679 And that to your point, it is. 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:45.120 It's a business owner's note, an investor, no different than a person that wants to live here, person that wants to visit here, person wants to invest here. 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:54.879 They all have that pull, and it's due to things like charm, art, character, of the unique differentiators that Fairport is leaning into. 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:56.240 Absolutely. 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:08.720 Um, what are your thoughts, Pat, from uh like how does the art community come around those same kind of what I was gonna say off of what Amy said is um creative people like to be where there's creativity. 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:15.919 So it's not just artists who want to be where there's creativity, it's also people like software developers, um, marketing people. 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:17.919 They want to be in creative environments. 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:19.039 Excuse me. 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:25.759 And and in a place like Fairport, you can walk out and and you can have that experience and you feel like you're part of a vibe. 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:32.159 Yeah, we have a pretty, pretty robust and growing creative uh community here already. 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:49.440 You know, I was thinking of all of the different businesses and I won't list them here, but there are a lot of creative businesses here to your point, not just you know, art shops and stores and galleries, but performing arts and there's musical things and there's um what did you just say a second ago? 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:54.320 Like, oh yeah, like just marketing and interior designers and all these things. 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:55.759 People thrive in creativity. 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.399 But yes, there's a collaboration like mentality that can happen. 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:06.480 Um, you have experience at like I I want to talk about your Burning Man thing because I just find it so interesting. 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.480 How many people have a Burning Man thing? 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:09.519 So three albums. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:35.840 Just no, like uh okay, a brief discussion of your involvement with Burning Man because that's a similar thing, that there's like this like collection of creatives coming together and that there's like a bigger Yeah, no, it and and so you know, to take something like that where we there are about 80,000 people, and we come to the desert where there's absolutely nothing, we build a city, we build art, it's all creative, it's all interactive, people are helping each other. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:43.440 Um, you don't buy or trade or sell anything there, everything is a gift, uh including the art, the art is a gift. 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:51.519 And what happens is uh people will say, you know, oh I I want to do this thing, and somebody else will say, Hey, can

I add this to it? 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:53.759 And somebody else will say, Can we have a flame effect? 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.759 And somebody else will say, Can we put these lights on it? 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.960 And can we have sound and can we and it just things bubble up. 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:05.440 And when you have creative people coming together, those kinds of things can happen, even in a place like Fairport. 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:10.480 Yeah, well, it's interesting you mentioned like that nobody was buying the art or like that kind of thing. 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:28.960 However, there are crazy statistics of how much economic development money, like how much money is spent but because of that festival every year, and it's like in the millions, but even on our village scale, it's still true that that artists coming together have an economic impact. 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:29.440 Yeah. 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:40.000 So um that that kind of answers the unspoken question from the skeptics why are we going to spend money on art, right? 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.360 We should be spending it on infrastructure and all those things. 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:48.480 But we've already laid that all right out right here in that in this conversation. 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:53.039 And that is investment in art is it's not either or. 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.440 It's part of the strategy overall in investing in your community. 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.919 We've done a lot of um the village and from a public standpoint. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.679 We've invested in the streetscape. 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.960 You know, that was a huge project that we are just wrapping up. 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.920 We invested in um some harbor improvements with more to come along the canal. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:18.720 All the canal frontage projects and beautification we've done, all of those things are supported by art. 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.759 So it's it's like a it's like a booster. 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:28.240 You know, like having public art around those things will amplify the effect that the of the dollar spent there. 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:40.319 So it's always like to me, I see it as like an enhancement that is important to propel all of those capital improvements even even more, you know, lucrative in all ways. 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:40.880 Right. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:45.440 It shouldn't be thought of as something that's extra that if we have enough money, we'll do this. 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:52.799 It it needs to be part of the vision because it just makes everything better and and it attracts more interest. 00:17:53.119 --> 00:18:02.960 Yeah, and there are um some methodologies in the way that you can strategically invest in in art, uh, like a percentage for the arts, I think we've talked about, um John and I. 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:13.359 Um, and I know that you know, we even had a comment in the survey about well, can't all of

these have a small percentage put aside for the an artistic component? 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:15.519 And my answer was like, I hope so. 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.680 I think that would be wonderful to always have that be, you know, in the back of your mind. 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:26.559 How can how can you supplement this with art and keep everything feeling vibrant and alive? 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:31.920 I think we've talked about a lot of the reasons that uh art in the community is important. 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:35.519 So to maybe shift gears, surprise to both of you. 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:36.079 Oh boy. 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:37.920 Lightning round question. 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:45.440 Um tell me, what do you guys think would be a dream project from an art perspective in the village of Fairport? 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.119 Oh, a dream project. 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:47.920 Oh, I hope. 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:50.400 Oh, well, you better you better go. 00:18:50.640 --> 00:19:06.000 Well, well, one of the ideas that we've talked about for quite a while in our art plan um is the public art trail, which is a trail of sculptures along the Erie Canal, going basically from Parrington Park out to towards Parrington Town Hall. 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:14.559 So the entire part of the Erie Canal that's within the borders of Fairport, we would love to see sculptures along there. 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:52.160 And what I like that is kind of outlined in the art plan is that we would have some what we're envisioning is some permanent sculptures that would be pieces that are spread out along that trail, and then spaces in between where we can intersperse smaller sculptures, maybe temporary pieces that might highlight a local artist or a student artist or a rising artist who maybe don't have the ability to build a a large permanent sculpture, but maybe something small that they want to sell later, and then we would just replace it with something, you know, a new piece. 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:53.119 That's awesome. 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:54.640 Yeah, I really love that plan. 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.359 I hope that um that continues to move forward. 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:03.119 I love the idea of the anchoring sculptures with yes, and this the uh the outlet for other people. 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:03.759 That's really neat. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:10.799 There's so many boats going by there and so many people walking and biking, having something visual would enhance that area. 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:11.839 That's great. 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:13.599 Um, you said there was more though. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:14.319 What else? 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:23.759 Well, well, I would love to see um there there's a local person at Fairport who is looking for a space to create an immersive art experience. 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.960 Okay, which is I don't know if you've heard of Meowwolf. 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.599 No, which is a place in Santa Fe. 00:20:29.839

--> 00:20:34.079 Um you go in and it's you're just immersed in this art experience. 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:35.599 It's like you're in another world. 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:46.480 So you might walk in, um like one example is you're in a room that looks like a 1950s kitchen, and you open the refrigerator and you go in and all of a sudden you're in a spaceship. 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.799 Oh, and so Alice in Wonderland wild down a rabbit hole. 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.920 And these are kind of cropping up around the country and they're very popular. 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.839 They are attracting a lot of people and they're bringing in a lot of money. 00:20:58.160 --> 00:20:58.400 Yeah. 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:02.000 Is it intended to be like a longer term thing? 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:03.440 Yeah, like a permanent installation. 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:09.920 Like a permanent installation, or it could be, you know, a permanent place where they maybe they swap out installations. 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:10.720 Ah, that's cool. 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:23.440 Because there are so many, um, again, talking about Burning Man, there are so many creative people in Burning Man who have art that they built and they end up putting it in storage because they want to build the next thing. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:24.160 Yeah. 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:30.880 So all these pieces are kind of sitting in storage and they can be pulled together to make an incredible experience. 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.599 Oh, that is a very forward thinking. 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:35.119 It is I'm into it. 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:36.880 Yeah, there's a place called Area 51. 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:38.240 Meow Wolf was the first one. 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:42.640 They got up Area 51 and um, it's Area 15. 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.039 Area 51 is the I was gonna say, is it? 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:46.319 I mean, what about aliens? 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:47.200 We're getting weird. 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:49.119 Uh what are their trademark issues there? 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:49.680 I don't know. 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:54.559 That would be wonderful to have in the in the village, and there's somebody right here in town who wants to make that happen. 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:55.119 That's cool. 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.759 And has the ability to make it happen just as a space? 00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.279 Like an indoor space? 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:01.200 All right, let's take that offline. 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:02.240 Let's take that offline. 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:03.359 Talk more about that. 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:05.680 Um cool. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:13.519 I know that uh um yeah, the art committee we have a spreadsheet of ideas of this one's very not arcade. 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.079 Interactive. 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.000 It seems like they should be on like a platter wall. 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.240 Well, we do that, we do that first, and then I type them into a spreadsheet. 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:28.720 But we have a spreadsheet of ideas of interactive, fun, engaging experiences that we would love to bring to the community. 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:29.680 We just need a little boost. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:30.720 Well, that's it too. 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:34.799 Like as much as we talk about the economic factors and all that, at the end, it's also just fun. 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:40.240 Like art is fun and it it makes you feel something, whether you know whether it's happy or not. 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.880 I suppose it's not all fun, but it's meaningful and it's it can draw you in. 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:58.559 Sometimes it's a lot of work for the artist, but when you once you see the the joy on somebody's face, like um we were gonna one of the things we wanted to do before COVID happened was I was planning uh with the OSAT, I was planning a unicorn day. 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.400 Oh, because did you know that there's a national unicorn day? 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.039 No, bro. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:09.680 There doesn't and so in Ithaca there is a 16-foot unicorn that you can ride. 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.559 Oh my and so we were gonna we had this whole thing set up. 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:18.799 We were gonna work with the ice cream shops to make unicorn ice cream and all all kinds of fun, you know, dye your hair type of thing. 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:19.519 Not too late. 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.400 Unicorn all going all around the village. 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:29.599 And we could do this stuff, and we just put lots of horn on that mule, put a horn lots of ideas. 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:31.599 Um okay, great. 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.079 This has been a great conversation. 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.319 Thank you so much for joining us, Pat. 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:49.680 Um, one thing that the main thing that I would take away from this conversation is that art isn't just fun, it is fun, it isn't just cool, it's an important ingredient to all of the things that we're working on. 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:56.559 And we have to keep it in mind as we um look at new projects, things that that change. 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:04.960 One thing that's going to be consistent is art is an important part of our story, and we're glad to have um a committed group in our village dedicated to that. 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:10.720 And I think we're doing some really great things already, and we're going to continue to do those. 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.240 So thanks for being here. 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:13.599 Thanks for listening to us.