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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. But wrote the big book on her without having interviewed her directly, but talked about what he saw in the movie. 00:03:04 Speaker 1: From his perspective. 00:03:06 Speaker 2: And how it changes, you know, his discussions about it and how it changes how we would look back and review the movie again. 00:03:13 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. First of all, can I just say that is what movies are supposed to do. 00:03:20 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:03:20 Speaker 1: What you just described, how you're feeling, how you've been thinking about it ever since then. And I'm not saying every movie has to be a thinker, but what is so great about the movies is that you can go in, get a little look into somebody else's life, whether it's fictional or whether it's real, and walk away going, what did I just see? How do I feel about it? And form an opinion about it. So that is great filmmaking. And I absolutely love that you got that from it. And you're not alone. Everybody's talking about this movie. This is a fascinating story. I know we touched on it a little bit last week, but it is that sort of train wreck story of somebody who is so delulue that we cannot look away. And she still, to this day, maintains her innocence, even though, as you mentioned, she built people out of millions, billions of dollars. And Nathan Fielder was given unprecedented access to her in the 30 days or so before she went to prison. So you would think at that time there would have been some self-reflection, something revealed. Maybe she revealed to him, all right, this is all an act. It's not really me. You know, like here's the real deal. Because he moved, not to spoil it, but he actually like ends up living in her home with her and her very strange husband. 00:04:36 Speaker 2: Finger quotes. 00:04:36 Speaker 1: Finger quotes husband. I know. That's why I hesitated. So it's interesting. It's an interesting story that is going to continue to have layers and layers as long as she is still maintaining this persona. In prison, maybe it'll come out. I'd like to know, is she still keeping up the ruse in prison? Like, what's going on there? 00:04:57 Speaker 2: Well, my first impression having seen it Wednesday night was she is a different thinker. And from that, you can go any number of ways. 00:05:11 Speaker 1: You mean like on the spectrum kind of different? 00:05:13 Speaker 2: Yes, that was my first conclusion was that she's somewhere on the autism spectrum. In that she thinks differently, doesn't express emotion the way that other people do, and is incapable of reading social cues. I mean, the example of her watching the Who's On First routine from Abbott and Costello and not getting it was evidence that would bolster my argument. But there are people that I've read since then who knew her or knew much more details than what we saw in the documentary that suggest that's an example of how manipulative she is in that she acted like she didn't get it so that she could appear to be this neurodivergent entrepreneurial mind who just can't deal with the day-to-day stuff. She's always inventing something in her head. 00:06:04 Speaker 1: Listen, I know a lot of incredible actors. And it would be almost unheard of to maintain that level of commitment to a character, to a person, to personality traits, to physical traits. Because she is very wide-eyed and just creepy staring. It would be incredibly difficult to maintain that 24-7, even if you're the most method of the method-y actors. So to say that this woman is able to maintain this level for this long, there has to be something else there. Also, people can develop some kind of psychosis or mental issues later in life. Oh, sure. It doesn't just happen to have to develop when you're younger. It can come on in your 20s. I mean, I'm sure you've met somebody as an adult where you're like, are you okay? This person's not all there. So I think both of those things are possible. But as long as... So nobody's presenting us with any hard evidence or truth that there is something wrong with her. And I mean, I haven't seen any doctors evaluate her. And she's still maintaining her innocence and that this is not a ruse. So we are left to, like you said, wonder and discuss amongst ourselves and kind of put the puzzles pieces together and figure out who is this lady? What is this all about? 00:07:26 Speaker 2: And there's two things that I want to make sure that we point out and that we can't get lost in. Yes, it is a documentary in that it was real. It was, for the most part, it was all what they said, they being Elizabeth Holmes and her husband, Billy Evans, and their words. But editing is a very powerful tool. As we learned from reality TV, Jonathan and Lance can, as the directors, can come and make the story how they want to. And I thought they did a great job, but I'm saying that that's, Just by nature of the fact that someone is editing means we're not going to get the whole story. 00:08:03 Speaker 1: Every documentary is seen through the documentarian's eyes. As much as you, even if you're a news documentarian or you work for Nat Geo or CNN or whatever you may be working for, you're still seeing that story through that storyteller's eyes, how they want to edit it. What they choose to include and what they choose to cut out are still going to be from their perspective. So who knows what was left on the editing floor? I have a feeling maybe a year from now there'll be a special DVD or digital release with a little few bonus something-somethings, you know? 00:08:36 Speaker 2: The second thing I wanted to point out is when we talked about it– when I talked about it on Monday– It was the number two movie at the box office last weekend, but it was only on 800 screens. I think Street Fighter was on 3,500 screens. 00:08:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it came in first. 00:08:50 Speaker 2: So it was only 800 screens last weekend. This weekend, it will be in 2,600 screens. 00:08:57 Speaker 1: It is an

appetite. People want to see it. 00:08:58 Speaker 2: People want to see it. People are talking about it. People are coming away with wildly different conclusions about the whole thing. And I kept saying it yesterday when we were talking about it during the news and brews. Everything that we've said so far is literally the first half. Because the second half is... I can't even describe... I don't want to give it away. I want people to. 00:09:21 Speaker 1: Go see it. It's unbelievable. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: So I did the math. If, and this is a big if because it's a second... It's rare for a movie to open and have a second weekend that's bigger. But just by the nature of the fact it's going to be on three times as many screens, it's going to be bigger. 00:09:37 Speaker 1: If it sustains. 00:09:39 Speaker 2: It came in somewhere between like $ 17, 000 and $ 18, 000 per screen last weekend. If it maintains with the number of screens that it's going to be on this time. 00:09:49 Speaker 1: How much? 00:09:49 Speaker 2: $ 48 million for a documentary. 00:09:55 Speaker 1: That would be huge. I think that might be the biggest documentary in theaters ever. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. 00:10:00 Speaker 2: I'm sure it would have to be. 00:10:01 Speaker 1: It would have to be. 00:10:02 Speaker 2: What I think is also great about it is I know the story of Theranos. I know the background. I watched the Hulu show, the miniseries basically that was made of that whole story. We all watched the trial. She's been a character, current character. For the last 15, 20 years, probably. You don't have to know anything about that to watch this documentary. 00:10:28 Speaker 1: Because it explains it very well and sets things up very well that you immediately know what's going on. Even if you have some kind of like tertiary, is that the right word? Tertiary? Tertiary. 00:10:37 Speaker 2: Tertiary. 00:10:38 Speaker 1: Tertiary. Thank you. I was like, I know. Cursory. Cursory? 00:10:41 Speaker 2: Cursory. 00:10:41 Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's right either. 00:10:42 Speaker 2: And tertiary. 00:10:43 Speaker 1: Tertiary. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: No, that's a third. 00:10:46 Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, if you have some knowledge. I need more coffee. That's what I get for trying to use big words. And the coffee machine is broken. It is broken. 00:10:54 Speaker 2: Oh, and don't go to Whole Foods. Their drip coffee maker is broken, too. 00:10:57 Speaker 1: Listen, we are at a coffee drought. That's why I bring my own coffee to work. Is that nerdy? Very smart. Listen, that's also what I get for trying to use big words. Gary, you make me want to sound smarter. Sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I blame you. But anyway, even if you don't understand about the movie, you will still enjoy this documentary. All right. 00:11:14 Speaker 2: But there are other things coming out, and I would watch Olivia Colman read a phone book. Oh. She is so great. 00:11:20 Speaker 1: I literally cannot wait to talk

to you about this movie. 00:11:23 Speaker 2: Olivia Colman is in a new movie called Wicker. 00:11:26 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:11:26 Speaker 2: It's a weird one. I mean, even from the previews, I know the basic premise of it. 00:11:31 Speaker 1: Uh-huh. It's a weird one. Oh. 00:11:34 Speaker 2: But it looks– because I like her, because I like Peter Dinklage, Alexander Skarsgård is in this. This is kind of a murderer's row for a show like this. 00:11:46 Speaker 1: The level of talent in this movie is astonishing. Elizabeth DeBecky is also in it as well. Shout out to her. So I went to the premiere this week, and Alexander Skarsgård, Olivia Colman, they were all there. And let me tell you, I kind of had a small idea of what this film was about, but I did not know. I was not prepared for the level of humor, for the level of quirkiness, strange, but also heartwarming and touching and sexy. Oh. This is a sexy movie. Like, I thought Shannon was going to be here again today, too. So I put this one. But I was like, I'm going to make Gary uncomfortable. Listen, this is a sexy movie. And what's kind of people are sort of comparing it to is, well, let me just tell you generally. So Olivia Colman plays this fisher woman who is lonely. And so she asked Peter Dinklage's character, who is the basket weaver in this small little village that they live in, this whimsical world that they live in, to make her a husband. So the only thing he knows how to do is weave baskets. It's based on a short story. The only thing he knows how to do is weave baskets. So he weaves her a husband made out of wicker. And it is this strapping, gorgeous Alexander Sarsgaard in full wicker. And also, it is practical makeup, practical as set, no CGI. It looks amazing. I mean, there's a little CGI because he's not actually wicker. What? What? But truly, the effects are amazing. It's a beautiful story. It's heartwarming. It is sensual. A lot of people are likening it to Beetlejuice. Or not Beetlejuice. Edward Scissorhands. Edward Scissorhands. Yes, thank you. Yeah, Edward Scissorhands. There's something about these sort of misunderstood, weird characters, these freaky characters that... people are drawn to in, in some kind of like romantic way. It's called, there's a trend that's called freak manse, where these like freaky characters that you kind of get a crush on and fall in love with. But this movie is beautifully told it's quirky. It's unusual. I want you to take your wife to see it. And then you tell me what you think about it. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: I would definitely see this. 00:13:58 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just really a great, unique. This is what Indy is. movies should be about. What was the movie? 00:14:05 Speaker 2: Was it The Color of Water? The Shape of Water. 00:14:07 Speaker 1: The Shape of Water. 00:14:08 Speaker 2: The Shape of Water. 00:14:08 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:14:08 Speaker 2: That's kind of, when you're saying that, that kind of brings that. 00:14:12 Speaker 1: A little bit. 00:14:12 Speaker 2: Reminds me of that. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: A little bit. Feel to it. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's unusual storytelling and it's very stylized in the way that it's shot. The sound is beautiful. Every time the wicker, it's not wicker man, not to be confused with that old scary movie. Every time he moves, you hear him creaking and the wicker creaking. So it's just, it's hard to describe. I'm sure I'm not doing a good job, but it's a great movie. That's one of these movies I'm going to still be thinking about. 00:14:43 Speaker 2: One of the kids' movies that was played in our house over and over again was Coraline. 00:14:48 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:14:49 Speaker 2: And the people who made that are out with a new movie. 00:14:52 Speaker 1: Yes. Go and take your kids and your family to go see it. My 27-year-old son. Yes. Wildwood, go and see it. So this is from Laika, who produced, as you said, Coraline and those sort of like stop motion claymation kind of movies. Wildwood is about takes place in Portland, Oregon, and it is based on a popular children's novel. Essentially, it follows Prue, independent seventh grader whose baby brother is kidnapped by a murder of crows. And she and her classmate Curtis, they follow them to this mysterious impassable wilderness where they encounter coyotes, bandits, all kinds of, you know, fun characters. This is sort of, if you think about Labyrinth meets The Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. And it is. Labyrinth. Yeah. Remember Labyrinth back in the day? Tara Shlee. 00:15:47 Speaker 2: Isn't that the name of the town? 00:15:49 Speaker 1: I think so. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: That's all I remember from that. I don't remember if that's even the right. 00:15:54 Speaker 1: Um, it is, um, I'm going to go with that. I'm going to say yes. 00:15:57 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:15:58 Speaker 1: Um, it's just, it starts at this sort of rescue mission, but grows into this incredible fantasy story. And this one is definitely my second pick for this weekend. If you're looking for a movie to go and see the amount of work, this has been in the work for like over a decade and they finally got this movie to theaters. And I think families are really, really going to enjoy it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Always great to see you. Go see Wicker. 00:16:21 Speaker 2: Go see Wicker. 00:16:22 Speaker 1: Wicker or Wildwood. W is at the box office. 00:16:25 Speaker 2: I'll see Wicker. 00:16:25 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:16:26 Speaker 2: You're enchanted. We'll continue right after this. Bye. 00:16:29 Speaker 1: So what will you see if you have your choice between Wicker and Wildwood? Or maybe you're going to be one of the ones that sees you can see everything on those extra screens that it will be on this weekend. Let me know. I always want to hear from you. You can chime in anytime on my social media at TheHeatherBrooker on Instagram and Facebook or on TikTok at HeatherBrooker. And you can also listen to my show, KFI Live, every Sunday at noon. Hit the talkback button there and you can let me know what you think about the show, but also what entertainment stories you like to hear as well. Always love it when you get to be a part of the show. Don't forget to share. Entertain me with your friends. 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