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Speaker 1: You found Dirty Work with Adam Copeland and Derek Papa, where no job is too dirty on KNBR, the Sports Leader.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Dave Matthews? 30 work on a Tuesday afternoon. Adam Copeland, Derek Papa, Danny Dunn hanging out with you. With you until 6 o'clock. Larry Kruger tonight with a little Niners Nightly at the top of the hour. Talking 49er footballs. The trade deadline went down today, 1 o'clock. The Niners acquired Keenan Allen from the Indianapolis Colts. The Niners make two trades, and they both are with the Colts. They get DeForest Buckner, Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen becomes the leader on the team in receptions already with 40. He was leading the Colts in that category as well.
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Speaker 4: And I know our social media department clipped me saying, like, this isn't a splashy move. It's not like a big-time move for the 49ers. Just give you the whole context of everything I said. It's a solid move. It's a move to give you a veteran-wide receiver and good depth. Is it the biggest move of all time at the trade deadline? No, but it's a nice move. So you guys can put the whole thing in there when you post it online.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You mean the digital team?
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: You getting upset about how they're clipping you? Yeah, now I got people saying, like, what were they supposed to do, Derek? Get Khalil Mack. But I know that Khalil Mack wasn't traded at the deadline, but it is what it is. It's just a clip. Don't worry about the clip. You said what you said. The full thing's out there. You don't need to clarify what they're clipping us for.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 2: It just annoys me.
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Speaker 3: Does it really? It does.
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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, man. Get the whole damn quote in there. Yeah, well, sounds like a text needs to be sent. Eh, whatever. I don't think they're clearly not listening to us. No, they never do. Because they're just clipping. Well, Jack Loader called out or something. Something going on. Yeah, apparently. I don't really care. Dirty work on a Tuesday. Why don't we get into it when NFL and college coaches talk? We listen. In a segment we like to call Coach Speak.
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Speaker 3: When NFL coaches speak, we listen. And I just think it's difficult to box without sparring. I couldn't get free coffee. It's football season.
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Speaker 5: Most players play football in football season.
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Speaker 3: This is Coach Speak on the Sports Leader.
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Speaker 2: Turning work on a Tuesday evening. Why don't we start in Coach Speak. Kyle Shanahan was on Chris Simms' podcast. I saw that. He did a video of it. They're friends from the UT days. I knew they are. But Kyle was on video sitting in his office doing this hit. And they were talking about how Kyle comes up with new play ideas. I feel like we've asked him this before. Yeah, but it's Chris Sims. It's Chris Sims. So he's going to end up in Coach Speak, but not us asking him? Well, I mean, we know the audio already when we say it to him, when we ask him questions. We know the answer. Yeah, we already know the answer.
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Speaker 4: And also, I think Chris Sims and Kyle Shanahan share a tattoo or get matching tattoos.
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Speaker 2: They do. They do. I did hear that. Well, a man who knows less than we do because he's got to ask the question, doesn't know the answer. Chris Sims. Just kidding. Kyle Shanahan joins us Thursday, by the way. He's got Kyle Shanahan on. He's asking Kyle how he comes up with new plays.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it comes from usually we see something on tape and we see a difference. It's more it's less about what you see on offense is when you see something affect the defense. And you watch somebody do something. And I forget where we saw that first. And it wasn't recently. It was like five years ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 5: Someone doing it to do a different type of play. And I remember I was kind of making fun of it. Like, look how much that slows the fullback down. Because I think they were bringing him back to go the same way. And we were like, man, that just makes it harder for him and stuff. But for so long, we have been giving the guy a running start, which so many teams do. And it was such a huge advantage for the offense to get a running start. But the more you did that, the defense started to get a running start also. And so they kept teeing off on us. So that stuff just kind of went dry after a couple of years. And sometimes we thought it was hurting us more than helping us. But once we could get juice a little bit depth, now you could do the same stuff, get a running start. But now you could actually have a threat to come back. So it kind of just brought back what was in style four years ago of the running starts. But now that we have a chance to go back, linebackers can't tee off on it. So it just makes them play more honest. So we can get a
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running start either way.
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Speaker 4: Remember a couple of years ago during the down year of 2024, when I thought a lot of people were calling in criticizing Kyle for a lack of creativity.
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Speaker 2: I was so, I'm so glad you said this. Keep coming. Keep going.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: People were like, well, Ben Johnson's coming up a great stuff with the lions. And yes, Ben Johnson, more stuff, dude.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson is, is always creative. Listen to my boy.
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Speaker 4: But Kyle Shanahan is pretty damn creative too. It was just a bad year. So I hated that people were like, it's.
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Speaker 2: A bad year to have a bad year.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And you know what?
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you're just not going to have great play calls, but Kyle knows how to reinvent himself. I don't think he really did. I just think they had, you know, better play calls and better offense the last two years. So I always hate that. I hated that season where people were like, you know what? Let's get Bill Belichick or Mike Florio. Let's trade Kyle Shanahan and the Chicago Bears. Kyle's one of the best play callers in all of football. I just go back to that where, A lot of fans were dumb when they said that.
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Speaker 2: When the Niners played the Chiefs that season at home and they got killed. The Chiefs ran for like four touchdowns on them or something like that. They got absolutely rolled by the end of that 24 season. The Chiefs came in and the Niners did too off of that Super Bowl. And the Niners were like top five or seven in the league in offense and bottom five or bottom three in red zone efficiency. It was like they could move the ball and couldn't score. And that was the offseason after when I asked Kyle about, hey, when you've got teams, like when you're watching other teams that are top five in red zone efficiency, what do you notice? What do you see? Without asking you, can you be more creative? And he said, what you notice is those teams have great players who have a nose and a knack for finishing in the red zone. In the end zone. What did they not have a lot of in 2024? Christian McCaffrey.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: What did they not have a lot of? Production from Brandon Ayuk or Debo Samuel, who wasn't here anymore. You know what I mean? They had all these guys who had been gone or who were banged up or who you were asking too much of in certain stages of their careers following a Super Bowl loss. So I'm with you. It's a cat and mouse type game. Play calling. And defenses are trying to catch up to offenses and then offenses counter it. So Kyle says, I don't sit there and draw like this will be a cool offensive play. It's you watch what a defense does. Then you say, that means they'll struggle against X, Y, and Z. How can I make X, Y, and Z, not just make them struggle, but absolutely destroy them when they're least expecting it. And you can lure them into certain traps. And that's what brilliant play calling it.
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Speaker 4: And that's why he's one of the best. Cause he knows how to attack defenses. And the same thing with Mike McDonald, where he knows how to attack offenses. It's just his knowledge of the other side.
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Speaker 3: Of the ball.
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Speaker 4: That's so great. So yeah, Yeah, fans from 2024, put that in your hopper and smoke it.
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Speaker 2: Put that in your hopper and smoke it. I think Jerry Jones said that last week. Right, Danny? Correct. Okay, thank you. Put that in your hopper and smoke it. 510 checks in and says, I coax my clocky if you ever invite him over and have DiGiorno's pizza. You know, I never clocked before. Oh, we're talking. This is a reference to Jordan Poole, I guess, a little while ago. Oh. I wouldn't clock anybody for inviting me over and serving me pizza. I would... Be upset. I would bitch you out if I invited you over. You said you were picking up a pie and you roll in with a DiGiorno. I've never done this. That would be piss poor. You know what?
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Speaker 4: If we have like a little dirty work party for the Super Bowl, I'm kind of feeling compelled to bring DiGiorno.
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Speaker 2: Not gonna lie. Who says we're having a dirty work Super Bowl party? It's happening at Danny's house. Well, if the Niners are in it, I'll be there.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: We'll see if the Niners are in it. You'll be at the stadium. I'll be at SoFi.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, Derek, you'll be over. If they're not in it, do you think we're going any way to L.A.
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Speaker 4: For media row? Because it's a West Coast game. We'll probably get credentials, but we've got to drive ourselves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that. You trying to get some Mike Haller in there? Go ahead, Danny. That or the Cumulus soundbite, one of the two. Oh, man. Thank you, dude. I appreciate it. Oh, man, it's expensive. Coach, you need to go belt to ass like Draymond on Jordan Poole. What, to Derek? You think I'm going to do that with a guy who was a pimp for Halloween when he.
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Speaker 3: Was 14 years old?
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Speaker 1: No, no, no.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with me. You think I'm going to test Derek's pimp hand? You're foolish. You're foolish. All right, moving on in coach speak here. You're fools, all of you. Speaking of foolish. Speaking of foolish, Sean Payton. Denver Broncos head coach. Sean Payton always in a good mood, never calling anybody out, except this one time. Today, you're going to hear it. Here's Sean Payton calling out a reporter. Says the reporter's smoking during the press conference.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There you go. Can we not smoke in here?
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Speaker 1: Please.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you're not smoking. You got a pencil.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: I
thought you were smoking.
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Speaker 6: I owe you.
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Speaker 2: But I was just, I had a flashback thinking, who's smoking a cigarette? All right.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: I'll start again, though.
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Speaker 3: Um, good, good win.
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Speaker 2: Obviously flashback.
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Speaker 4: Like, are we talking about like Sean Payton when he was an assistant coach with the Eagles with John Gruden that the Philadelphia Eagles media was like, you know, having heaters in there?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think, I think when you're a kid, you're never aware how recent things were. Like, like I remember being on airplanes as a kid. Like, I must have been five, six percent. Smoking section? No, I don't remember the smoking section, but I remember the ashtrays that had been glued shut. on the airplane, like on the, on the hand rest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I remember being a kid and having those like glued shut ashtray things. And then like, I think I didn't realize until later on, kind of like when I told you I was like eight or nine before I realized the Raiders had, I knew they had previously been in LA. But I didn't know they had just come back like two years prior when I was in kindergarten. Right, right. You know what I mean? Because they came back in 94, right?
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Speaker 3: 95.
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Speaker 2: 95, yeah. I was in kindergarten, 95. So, like, there's things that had happened so recently, but I didn't realize they were as recent. I think the smoking section thing was going on into the 90s on planes. No, but as far as, like, people doing press conferences. You could smoke indoors, dude, yeah. And also, like, come on.
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Speaker 4: Sean, like, a senior moment? You think that a pencil is a cigarette? That's a little ridiculous. I do remember, though, like, the great NFL Films footage of John Madden, like, with a cigarette and, like, telling, like, you know, Gene Upshaw or, like, anybody else in the Raiders, like, do this, do that. I wonder if we'll see that in the Metadog movie.
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Speaker 2: You see this crap now? They're trying to, uh, the Gen Zers are trying to act like they're keeping the tobacco industry alive. They're saying cigarettes are healthier than vaping. I'm like, you don't know. I don't know what's up. I don't know what's up with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 2: We're not smoking here. Just stuck it on a pencil.
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Speaker 4: Did you actually think someone was lying or not during a press conference?
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Speaker 2: Come on, Sean. What the hell is that about? 707 says, Copes, I remember a cigarette vending machine at the reception area in a sizzler.
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Speaker 1: Ah.
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Speaker 2: And you're eating good at Sizzler, let me tell you. Dude, I used to love Sizzler as a kid. Sizzler ain't bad. Hey, Sizzler, want to go to Sizzler and get some grub? It's my treat, dude. No, I'm good. I love that guy's eating a red lobster in Sizzler. He's trying to buy a Sizzler dinner with his own. He pays him and goes, I'll take you to dinner.
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Speaker 1: Come on.
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Speaker 2: Moving on here in code speak. 415 says, I was smoking a cigarette in Levi's section 401 on Sunday. I'm sure you were, sir. George and Frisco. Oh, okay, George, yeah. Just ripping heaters out of a boy. I'm not surprised by that one. By the way, people were just openly smoking dope on the, it said dope. Like I'm my dad. Yeah, I know. You're doing the dope? That's the first time my dad caught me. That's what he said. You're doing the dope at the Raider games? I say first time because after the first time, I didn't care anymore. That's a big one. My mom, too. She says dope, and I'm like, that could mean anything. Are you smoking dope? Yeah. Here we go. Liam Cohen, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 3: So this is when.
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Speaker 2: He's having a team meeting. Yeah, this is when the news was announced that the Jaguars were making some big trades. This was before they had actually made the trade. And he's telling the team they're about to get a whole lot better, and he's giving them sort of a fire-up speech. Here's Liam Cohen.
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Speaker 3: Okay, this is the question I want to ask. How great do we really want to be?
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Speaker 1: Because we can sit here and say, all right, we're at 6-2, just had a good win.
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Speaker 3: Or we can say we're going to be great.
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Speaker 2: And I don't mean on Sunday in a game.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about today. I'm talking about Wednesday. I'm talking about with every single.
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Speaker 2: Fucking thing that we do throughout the week. to continue the pursuit of greatness.
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Speaker 3: I'm not asking you to go from good to great in a day.
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Speaker 2: I'm asking us to go and pursue greatness with a relentless attack, to go and give ourselves the best chance every single Sunday.
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Speaker 3: To go put that tape. And guys, at the end of the day, around this time of year, as it comes to trades.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna do everything in our power To give us the best chance to pursue greatness. That's what we do.
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Speaker 3: That's our jobs.
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Speaker 2: And we're going to continue to do that as this week goes. We're going to put ourselves in the best chance to succeed every single decision we make as an organization. And I promise you, we just got better.
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Speaker 3: Duvall.
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Speaker 2: That was pretty sick, dude. That's way better than anything in his press conference. I'm not talking about in a game. I'm talking about on Wednesday. Today, Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: And they did, man.
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Speaker 4: I think probably the most aggressive team at the deadline were the Jacksonville Jaguars with the two moves to get Jesse Bates and Jordan Davis. Obviously, the Jeffrey Simmons trade for the
Chicago.
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Speaker 2: Bears, but.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Liam Cohen and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Don't be surprised if they get the number one seed of the AFC.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to. And do you know who has the easiest schedule in football remaining? The Jaguars, baby. And their most difficult opponents, by record, are like the New York Giants.
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Speaker 1: Hmm.
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Speaker 2: And, like, no, I'm not joking. And the Bears? Yeah, I think the Bears are their last, like, legit game. They have two Titans games left.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: They've got a Texans game left. But, like, they are far and away. Like, it's a legit easiest schedule left. And they've just gotten a lot better. I think they're a team that's most likely to take the number one seed just because Buffalo is going to run into tougher teams down the stretch.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but Buffalo got a hooker today, and they're pretty good in the secondary now.
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Speaker 1: Hooker?
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Speaker 2: Just met her. All right, can we get one more in here?
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Can we get Harbaugh in? I want to hear Jim Harbaugh. Why not? Because they're 0-8, the Chargers. They're 0-8, and they're turning down trades. Why the hell do they trade Khalil Mack?
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Speaker 4: What's the matter with them? This is so baffling. It's an expiring contract. He could go sign in the offseason somewhere else, but why not trade him away for a third-round pick? I'm sure someone would offer that.
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Speaker 2: I can even look. I know you're a cheap-ass owner. I know they're cheap. So I can logically understand, well, if he's cheap, of course they're not going to fire McDaniel now and just pay him to go away. They're not just going to do that because they don't want to pay the money. And Harbaugh's not going to fire either. No, because they're not going to pay that contract off. They're like, if we're paying for it, we're getting something out of it, even if it's four wins.
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Speaker 4: They're much like Jerry Jones where Brian Schoenheimer will not be fired. No, because he ain't paying multiple coaches at a time. And if that's the way you do business, fine. But if that's the way you do business, then why are you not treating the player's side of things in the exact same way?
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Speaker 2: I don't understand that whatsoever. Here's Jim Harbaugh for falling to 0-8. Keep fighting.
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Speaker 6: I mean, there's fighting or there's slunking away, you know? And that will never be a part of our culture or organization and any narrative that we're not helping on winning these games is.
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Speaker 2: Completely wrong did he.
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Speaker 4: Go like Larry David I slunk out like what the hell was that we're not gonna slunk out on the rest of this season.
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Speaker 2: He just starts sentences and doesn't know where they're going yeah of course we're not gonna just slunking
away.
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Speaker 4: Slunking away by the way the back and forth between him and Noah Furtado just fantastic where yes they're terrible and you know what It's one of the most ridiculous decisions not to trade Khalil Mack at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand it. It doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 7: Damn it.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. I mean, even having Jonathan Taylor, you're like, well, okay, whatever. You're holding on to him. He's under contract at least. Khalil, there's no excuse. It doesn't make any sense. I'm so pissed that didn't happen today. They got a seven for him. It's better than what they're doing. Any team, the 49ers, the Bears, just get Khalil Mack the hell off the chargers. Dirty work on a Tuesday evening. That's going to do it for Coach Speak. We'll take a quick break. When we come on back, we'll put the show to bed. Dirty work Tuesday, only here on Esports Leader. Mixed power. He's the man whose name you'd.
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Speaker 7: Love to touch, but you mustn't touch. His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it, you mustn't fear, because his name can be said by anyone.
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Speaker 1: Time for Dirty Work to put the show to bed.
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Speaker 3: Are you crazy?
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Speaker 2: I don't need a bed.
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Speaker 3: On The Sports Leader.
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Speaker 2: Now you will go to sleep, or I will put you to sleep.
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Speaker 3: You there?
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Speaker 2: Dirty Work on a Tuesday, putting the show to bed. Adam Copeland, D-Pop, Danny Dunn hanging out with you. Fun show today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Getting through some bad, getting through some coach speak. Walking you through the trade deadline today as the 49ers acquired Keenan Allen. I'm sure you'll hear a whole lot more about that from Larry Kruger. He's coming up next with a little Niners nightly here at the top of the hour. We'll be back with you tomorrow for a full show ahead of Week 10. The Niners and the Cowboys, 10 a.m. pregame, 125 kickoff this Sunday from Jerry World in Dallas. How about that?
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Speaker 3: The boys.
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Speaker 2: Niners should beat up on that defense. It's a Sunday night game for the Vikings, right? Yeah, and Mexico City, yes. Boy, how about that? Cousins versus Purdy. How many international Sunday night games have we had? This is the first one. I was going to say primetime international. This is the first, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: There was a Monday night game years ago, like 10 years ago with the Raiders and Texans.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And there was supposed to be a primetime game when we talk about the Chiefs and the Rams. That crazy game with both teams.
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Speaker 3: Scored in the 50s.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, that was incredible. That was supposed to be in Mexico City as well. That was the night that I was, I didn't see the second half of that game because I was watching a, it was like Creed 2 sneak preview. Remember I told you I was sitting next to Hartlaub and his son and his son like snuck in, he like hollowed out some bread roll and like snuck food into the bread roll and it was incredible. It's incredible stuff. Anyway, HeartLive enjoyed the movie. Okay. And I enjoyed the second half of it. Good to know, good to know. All right, well, let's put the show to bed here. Danny, what you got? Note to self. Yeah, note to self, I got to figure out a way to get us some of that Buffalo Wild Wings pickle sauce up here. Do you, though? Do you have to? I like the way that Danny said that's smooth, though. Do you have to? I need to get some pickle sauce for us in the studio here. Yeah, pickle sauce. It used to be easier. They had one at Ceramoni. By the way, pickle sauce is exactly what you think it means. All right, go ahead, Derek. Note to self. T. Dalton underrated Bond, I'd say. Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton's not underrated. Properly rated Bond. I think he's underrated. No, he's not. No, he's not. Properly rated.
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Speaker 4: Marichal needs a hug. He's still mad about last year's 49ers trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: It's a little much. Yeah, dude, he's real mad about that. Still mad about 2019, too. Trey Hendrickson. He's still hung up on 2019. Seriously. Note to self. Note to self. Look, like Harbaugh said, dude, we can't be slunking around here. We can't just be slunking. We're not going to... Slunking away.
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Speaker 4: He's going to do it for dirty work on a Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to our guest today, Guy Haberman. That was really cool to get his thoughts on doing the Greg Papa tribute touchdown call. Well done, Guy. If you hear it again, you know that it's for a special reason. Great stuff from Guy Haberman. and, of course, Andrew Luck. Fun football conversation with Andrew. Talked to him about Keenan Allen. Played against him in college and in the pros. and got some good trade talk with Andrew Luck. That's going to do it for Dirty Work on a Tuesday. Larry Kruger's up next. We'll be back with you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And for anybody that needs to hear it, it gets easier every day. It gets a little easier. Just got to do it every day. That's the Dirty Work, but it does get easier. You're listening to KMBR and KMBR-FM San Francisco, the sports leader at Cumulus Media Station. Larry Kruger, Niners Nightly, starts right now. I'm a fool to do your dirty work, oh yeah.
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Speaker 7: I don't wanna do your dirty work no more.