บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Batman & James Bond Stuntman Exposes What Hollywood Hides | Mike Smith Ep. 011

honest, I learned a lot about myself. 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.480 Um it was like kind of throwing gasoline on a fire. 00:04:46.639 --> 00:05:01.199 I uh I was seated third, but the pressure and the expectations and the the will to win overwhelmed me so much that by the end of the meet I was I ended up 16th. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:06.240 I remember it was it was a horrible I and I just felt so defeated. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.240 And um I I I've been writing a book and I'll I'll tell you more about that. 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:25.279 But one part in the book I I write about this part right here, I don't know what did this, but when I saw the guy that won, he was a friend of mine, and I said to him, Hey, could uh could I borrow your medal for a minute? 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:26.800 And he said, What? 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.040 I said, Can can I borrow your medal? 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:30.959 And he's like, What do you mean borrow my medal? 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.839 And I go, can I take a can I just take a picture? 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.160 Can I can I use your medal for a second? 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:56.959 And I took his medal and I put it around my neck and I took a picture and um I took that picture and I put it on my dashboard in my truck, and every morning and every day I drove around campus and practice and wherever, and I said, Did you do everything today to earn that medal next year? 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:09.279 And I literally, I mean, like when we were doing runs or we were doing um exercise or training, I made sure if if we were to do a hundred, I did a hundred and ten. 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:14.079 If we were to do a swim, I was I I swam extra, if I ran extra. 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:24.480 And so I knew that if I got back in that situation, I would have confidence that I did everything and I deserve to be there. 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.319 And it was and and then the next year it was the greatest feeling. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:37.279 I get kind of choked up when I think about it, but I had that medal on my dashboard, and I drove back from Florida to Texas to show my mom. 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:47.360 And um it was it was one of the greatest periods of my life, and then from that I got recruited by pretty much every major school in the country. 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:55.279 I had Miami, Florida State, Arizona State, TCU, and then ultimately I ended up at Auburn. 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.519 Auburn in Alabama. 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:18.879 Uh had a fantastic swimming and diving program, and at that time, uh the best diver and the uh male the m best male diver in the nation was a guy named Jose Luis Rocha, and he was he won NCAAs, and I wanted to, I wanted to, frankly, I wanted to beat him, so I wanted to go to Auburn and train with him. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.399 Um I never did. 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:26.560 He was always he was fantastic diver and uh went to the Olympics multiple times. 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.160 And uh, but I learned a lot and I I learned a lot about myself. 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:36.480 I learned about competition at a very high level and um and what it takes to train. 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:55.040 You know, most people that have not trained at like a division one level or a high level don't understand the commitment, not only from an academic side, but from a athletic side of how much you have to commit to to get to that level. 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:00.000 Like you, you know, you most people go to college and they party and they have a good time, it's great. 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:20.000 But but when you're when you're an athlete, I mean every morning it was up at five, you know, 5 30 at practice, 5 30 to 7, you know, you're you're training every morning, and then around um 8 you go to class, 12 you go to weights, do weights or training to dry land, whatever. 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:33.200 And then uh and then you got your afternoon kind of off or your your you're after your classes, do your homework or whatever, and then go back to the pool five to seven at night, and that's six days a week. 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.519 Um well Saturdays were different schedule, but it's every day except for Sunday. 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:43.039 And it gave it it taught me discipline, it taught me if you want something, no one's gonna help you. 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:44.559 You have to earn it. 00:08:44.879 --> 00:09:02.720 And um, and so anyway, I made that probably longer than I should have, but that's but that was the base for I when I graduated from college, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, and at the time I was dealing with uh a lot of emotional instability. 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:17.360 My my mother, I'm adopted, so I'm my adopted mother was uh diagnosed terminally with with breast cancer, and she was dying, and um I didn't know what I wanted to do professionally. 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:24.559 I just knew I needed to be with my mom because I she only had like you know six, seven months, eight months to live. 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:45.039 And uh so I went back home to Texas, I went back home to Houston, and I didn't I I it's funny, I I I substitute school taught for a little bit, and then I started, I was mowing yards, and I started making more money mowing yards, so I started a landscaping maintenance company, and then I got a call. 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.879 Uh, hey, would you want to do the high diving show at Asterworld? 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:54.639 And so you know, I don't know if you guys have ever remember that, but there used to be a high diving show. 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:55.519 I don't know if I don't even know. 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:57.919 Is Asterworld even still around? 00:09:58.159 --> 00:09:59.120 I don't know. 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:11.120 Anyway, I took a job at Asterworld, I was doing the high diving show, and I it's weird how God works, you know, now looking back, but I get a call out of nowhere.

00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:16.720 Um there's a uh there's Six Flags Magic Mountain, which is still around. 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:22.159 It's in California, it's north of LA, and they had a high diving show and they had a dolphin show. 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:23.519 So it was really cool. 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.120 I got I it was a fun job. 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:39.039 So I went from Astro World to Six Flags Magic Mountain, and while I was there diving, and you know, it was just it was a it didn't pay a lot of money, but it was a lot of fun, and I didn't I didn't want to get a real job because I I still like to train and whatever. 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:47.360 But I got to swim with dolphins, do the high diving show, and that was the first time I met a stunt man, like a real stunt man. 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:52.399 And I this guy came in, um, he was practicing for a high fall. 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.279 Um the the do you remember the movie Predator? 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.679 Predator two Predator 2. 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:59.039 Yeah, I watched all of them. 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:04.720 Yeah, he he was the guy, he was the predator when he falls off the building, like like 100 and something feet. 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:09.279 Well, this guy's an amazing, he was a high diver, but he's also an amazing stunt guy. 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:22.639 And uh so he's coming in practicing uh his what he was gonna do off the high diving tower because there's not many places that you can practice falling 96 feet or or you know however high it was. 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:27.840 And um and so he came in and I was like, stunts. 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.960 Wow, that's a you know, that's a cool thing, you know. 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:36.159 Like so I grew up on horses, I grew up in the country, and I grew up riding motocross. 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:45.519 I wasn't a racer, but I rode motocross my whole life, and then grew up doing martial arts and grew up you know doing all the sports and diving. 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:50.399 I was like, man, that stunts seems like something I would maybe want to do. 00:11:51.200 --> 00:12:11.759 And um to make a long story longer, I I I um I was screwing around one day on that show and I and I slipped on the mini tramp, and those are at 40 feet, so it's still high, but not like it's still 10, it's 10 feet higher than a platform tower. 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:18.159 So it's so it's it's high enough to hurt you, and but it's not really low, it's still not that high. 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:39.679 But anyway, I slipped off the mini tramp and I landed flat on my back in front of the crowd, and I burst my lung, and that was the first time, and I came up and I was spitting like pink aortic, like I just I never I couldn't breathe, you could hear my lungs like blood in my lungs. 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.200 And um anyway, I ended up in intensive care. 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:53.360 That was the first time I was 22 years old, and it was

the first time I knew I wasn't immortal, because until that point I've never really had anything bad like that happen. 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:57.120 And so I ended up going back to Texas. 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:14.080 Uh my mom was getting worse, and I went back to Texas, and I uh wanted to be with her, and so I honored my mother, and I stayed with her until she passed and she died, and I didn't know what to do. 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:22.559 I had uh I had a girlfriend at the time, and we were in turmoil, and you know, you know, just life. 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:37.440 And um, and then you know, I got this random phone call out in the blue, and it was, hey, would you like to come to LA and audition for this show at the MGM Grand Hotel? 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:56.240 And the MGM Grand Hotel was opening that was when Vegas was trying to still do the family-friendly thing, and they had a theme park they were opening up, and it was called the Dueling Pirate Stunt Spectacular, and they were auditioning, and they made it sound like when I was on the phone if, hey, if you come to this audition, you're gonna get a job. 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:19.679 Well, I showed up there, and there's like 400 guys auditioning for 17 parts, and I'm standing in this line, and they're you know, they're testing us in everything martial arts, rope climbing, trampoline, mini tramp, gymnastics, um balance, I mean, just sword fighting, anything you could come up with, they were testing and cutting everyone. 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:27.919 Well, and long story short, I ended up being I got cast to be the lead, or I was one of the guys chosen to be the lead. 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:45.440 I knew nothing about Hollywood, I knew nothing about acting or singing or dancing, and to be quite frankly, I Frank, I I'm horrible at singing and dancing, so uh, you know, I I was wasn't I didn't get hired because of that. 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.159 I got hired because of the athletics stuff. 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:54.960 And um anyway, long, long story longer, uh I ended up doing the show. 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:59.200 I was I got cast to do the show, and we went to another 11-week training camp. 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.679 I had I had just met my now wife, I've been married to my wife. 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:08.240 We've been together, we've been together 33 years, and we've been married for 30 years. 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:13.600 And I have, I do have a, you know, one of the things God blessed me with is my family. 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:20.799 I have a great, great family, I got great kids, I got a great wife, and to make it through Hollywood, it's it's not easy. 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:35.840 So you have to have a lot of you know commitment and a lot of um a lot of work, you know, to communicate, because communication in a marriage is the key, because if you don't communicate, you're not gonna stay centered with each other. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.240 So anyway, I give my wife a lot of credit. 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:49.120 Um but uh so we were getting ready to open that show, and again, God works in funny ways, and this is I've I've learned this. 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.480 I had just sold my landscaping company. 00:15:52.559 --> 00:16:00.080 My wife was an architect drafter, she she just quit her job, and we moved to Las Vegas to do the show, New Life, New Adventure. 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.840 Night two the two nights before the opening show. 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:12.799 I'm rehearsing and I do a backflip off of this table, and the carpet wasn't set, and my knee, I pop, I blew out my ACL. 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:18.240 And so now I I'm in the hospital, I'm I have to have surgery. 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:38.559 There's a lot more to that, but anyway, it ended up I I I never actually did the live show, and I and I had met these stunt people I was telling you about earlier, and I I I I get this call, like, hey, they're auditioning people for uh Batman Forever. 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.600 And I'm like, can you go to the audition? 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:42.639 I you know, I didn't want it. 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:53.279 It had been about five months since my my surgery, so I I was getting around pretty good, but after an ACL surgery, it takes about eight months, nine months, ten months to really be. 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:54.480 Yeah. 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.200 So I was like, yeah, well, uh oh yeah, I can go. 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:09.039 Well, anyway, long story, I keep making these long stories, but it what what happened was I go to this audition, there's all these people there, um, really talented people. 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:12.400 I mean, like super talented people, and these are real stunt guys. 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:18.240 And um I meet the stunt coordinator, his name was Conrad Palmasano. 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.599 I was really young, and he was watching me move around. 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:30.640 He goes, Well, you're a lot smaller than what we're looking for, but but you're you move really well, and so he goes, I'm gonna hire you. 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:37.200 And I thought, okay, I mean, I didn't believe because I you know, hear stuff like all the time, but you don't believe it. 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:37.599 Right. 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:47.200 Well, I I I got hired as one of Harvey Two Face's thugs, like Tommy Lee Jones in that movie had some henchmen, so I got hired as one of his henchmen. 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.240 He goes, You're a little smaller, but you move good, so we'll we'll we'll we'll hire you. 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.480 Well, I end up doing that. 00:17:54.880 --> 00:18:16.319 My first big job was Batman Forever, and so I go there, and now I'm working with all the real stunt coordinators and real stuntmen, and they can see, you know, they could they recognize people that are talented, they can see, you know, and I God bless me with being six feet, and I look like a lot of actors, and and

I could double a lot of different people. 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:23.519 And so one day I'm standing there on set and the stunt coordinator walks over and he goes, Hey Mike, go over there and stand next to Val. 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:25.519 And I go, Okay. 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:34.400 So I go over there, and then he and then if you ever see my movie, which I know we'll get into out of shadows, there's another stunt man in that movie named Brad Martin. 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:43.920 Well, Brad and I were like competitors because we were like the same size and we had the same skill set, and we know of course we're young and we want to be the best. 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.200 So we're like, he goes, You two go stand next to Val. 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.400 And so we did that. 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.200 We went over there and he goes, All right, tomorrow go get fitted for the bat suit. 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:52.559 I need something, I need you to do a little stunt. 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:54.640 Val Kilmer, yeah. 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:55.039 Yeah. 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:00.720 And so I I stand there next to Val and and he goes, just go get fit. 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:15.200 So we the next day I got went down to wardrobe, put the bat and got the bat suit on, and took a bunch of pictures, and the the director, everybody looked at it, and they're like, Yeah, my my and I happened to literally be Val's exact measurements at that time. 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:15.759 Wow. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.559 And uh and so I got the job. 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:30.799 Well, it's I mean, I don't know how long you and me keep telling these stories, but but anyway, I I got the job, and and one of the I don't even know if it's important, but I remember I'll never forget this. 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.039 I can't believe I'm gonna be Batman. 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.920 Like, I mean, you know, I mean that's did not a lot of people get to put on the legit batsuit. 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:45.200 Yeah, well, it was like and there were no now to to be fair, there were a lot of bat doubles. 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:51.359 There one, there's not just one guy that gets just to be Batman because there's there was like different multiple movies over the years. 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:57.599 Well, and and on most movies, there's more than one double because of different skill sets. 00:19:57.759 --> 00:19:58.319 Oh, okay. 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:02.319 So mine being a diver, this particular stunt was diving off. 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:06.319 It's in the movie, it's actually in that seal video, Kiss from a rose. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:13.519 But when Batman, there's Nicole Kidman and Drew Barrymore, and they drop him down, and he has to make a choice and he dives down the tube. 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:15.920 Well, that was me in the Batsuit. 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:23.519 And so, anyway, the the funny thing about that is I don't know, you know, like I'll never forget this. 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:39.279 I was standing up there and I'm like, I'm nervous, I'm nervous because you know, in the batsuit, you can't you it it's it these when Batman turns, it's like this, it's because you can't, like maybe now in the newer batsuits you can, but in that batsuit, you know, when you turn, it's like you had to turn your whole body. 00:20:39.519 --> 00:21:01.599 And so what I was asked to do was dive head first into uh a like a uh an airbag or a port of pit, I don't remember which one it was, is I think it was an airbag, but it was like 30 something feet down, and and you had to be like looking at it at the last second, collapse your neck and and fall on your back to save yourself. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:08.400 Well, I didn't know if I was gonna be able to do that because I hadn't done it. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:10.079 I hadn't, you know, I didn't test it. 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:15.119 So now there's like all the people there, the big studio exec, everybody. 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:27.279 They got the lights, they got the wind, it's like I can't hear, it's like right, and you got these old backed in the old cameras, they're like you can hear the frame, the film flying through the cameras, high speed. 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:35.519 And I'm I'm sitting there like, I'm sitting there like, I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm I mean, I'm scared. 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:41.119 I'm gonna be honest, I was a little scared because I'm like, am I gonna break my neck in front of all these people and kill myself right here? 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:46.000 Well, anyway, right as we're getting ready to go, they go, cut, cut, cut. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.319 All right, everybody strike all this. 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:49.440 We'll come back and do this tomorrow. 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:50.559 We don't have time. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:56.400 And I'm standing there, I'm like, oh my god, I had to go home and think about this all night. 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.680 And I had to go home and my my heart, and I remember looking. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.599 Over this guy, go, man, they they're shining the lights in my eyes, they're blowing smoke on me. 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:12.160 I got stuff hit me in the face, and the guy looked over at me and he goes, If this was easy, someone else would have your job. 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:12.640 Yeah. 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:14.559 He goes, do your job. 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:18.480 I'll never forget that because that was I that stuck with me my whole career. 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.960 If this was easy, someone else would be doing this. 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:26.079 So anyway, I came back the next day and I was put I was even praying going into the studio. 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.680 I'm like, please don't let me have a car wreck. 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.279 I just want to be Batman one day. 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:30.400 Just one time. 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.039 I don't I go, don't let me wreck the car.

00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.640 So uh anyway, I went back, the stunt went fine. 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:40.559 After the first take, I I realized I could duck my head, and I was like, okay, I can do this. 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.279 And so I did it a few times and it went great. 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:50.640 And that was, you know, and then I did some other stuff underwater, doing some underwater stuff as you know, Batman. 00:22:50.799 --> 00:23:04.880 But there was uh I mean we did a lot of different different things, but um, but it was it was a great experience, and and it got me a great introduction to a lot of the stunt the real stunt people, and then I ended up on Dr. 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:16.079 Quinn Medicine Woman and X-Files, and I mean, I mean, I have a my career, I I mean I doubled so many different people, and I I know I made that really long, and I apologize. 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:17.759 But no, no, that's awesome, man. 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:25.680 And you were and just real quick, how many movies and stuff like where you were put like if you had to put a number to it? 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:35.200 Well, a lot of my credits uh, you know, like I did a lot of TV shows that I never you know put down as crack I didn't I didn't keep track of it. 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.200 I mean it's hundreds, I don't know. 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.640 I mean, maybe, maybe, I mean, I mean you got 30 years. 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.480 I did every I did a lot, and sometimes I'm working two jobs a day. 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.559 And the funniest thing is I worked on X Files for like four or five, six seasons. 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:51.920 I didn't even know what the show was about, never watched it. 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:53.920 And I was David's double, you know. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:58.240 I never even like now I look back and go, oh my god, that was kind of a cool show, you know. 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:06.559 So and then the but the last coolest job I got, and was because not many people know this, very few Americans have ever been James Bond. 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.920 And there's only been two or three that I know of, and I'm I'm one of them. 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:15.839 And I got to be uh James Bond uh on the Tomorrow Never Dies with with Pierce Bronson. 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.759 Um yeah, that was a that was a that was a pretty cool experience. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.160 That's that's that's pretty sick, dude. 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:22.720 That's awesome. 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.720 Yeah, so but man, so so I want to transition. 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:28.480 So yeah, that was the early days. 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:36.000 Yeah, so okay, so now during your career, there was a pivotal moment. 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:39.200 You you had a life-altering injury. 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:45.920 Well, okay, so just to to so everybody's watching that knows, so I started as a stunt man. 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:52.079 I did that for a long time, but I knew young as a young man, I watched what happened as stunt men began to age. 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.960 And it's just like football or baseball or fighting or you know, boxing, whatever. 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:12.400 No matter how good you are, at some point Father Time is gonna catch up with you, and you're not gonna be what you once were, but you still in your head, you know, kind of think you are, and until something reminds you that you're not. 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:20.960 So I knew early on that I needed to transition from being a performer into like a coordinator, like a fight coordinator, a stunt coordinator. 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:27.279 So I really started focusing on learning those skills, and thank God, God bless me, and I and I was doing that. 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:34.240 But um, I mainly became what's called a second unit director um or an action director. 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:42.160 So when you see big movies or you see you know action movies, there's usually a second unit which doesn't involve the main director. 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:51.920 I mean, you might get the actor for a day or two or whatever for scenes, but mainly it's done with just stunt performers and um a completely different team. 00:25:52.400 --> 00:26:00.640 Car chases, explosions, high falls, inserts, you know, different things that don't need to take up main units time. 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.680 So that that's a great job, and it's a lot of fun. 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:17.200 Um but so I was doing that, and I had been doing that for almost, I mean, I started directing early, so maybe let's see, 2014, probably probably 15, maybe 20 years. 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:22.640 Like I was I was directing and coordinating, doing those things, but I was still performing because I still could. 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:29.599 Like one of the biggest movies I did uh that people that watch I did Need for Speed. 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:35.680 I was one of the stunt corniers on that, and I did a lot of the car stunts in that or tested a lot of those stunts. 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:41.519 So, anyway, in 2014, I was I had a great job. 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:43.519 I used to work on this TV show called Grim. 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.519 I don't know if it's like the Brothers Grimm. 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:46.240 Remember that? 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.519 It was on NBC, and I had a cool job. 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.599 I was the uh fight choreographer. 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:59.599 So I would get paid, I'd go up, I'd choreograph the fights, train the actors, train the stunt guys, just choreograph the fight, and I'd fly back to LA. 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:05.359 Well, one day my buddy, who's the stunt coordinator on that, he said, Hey man, why don't you make some extra money and play this part? 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.359 And I'm like, I don't really want it. 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.359 I actually turned it down three times. 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:13.759 I

don't know why, but I did. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:19.599 And I was on Valentine's Day, I'll never forget. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.640 I was all made up in one of those. 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.359 I hated this, I hated wearing the rubber heads, man. 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.480 Like the Buffy map. 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.119 We used to call them because I worked on Buffy and Angel and all that. 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.799 You wear the rubber mask and the like monster heads. 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:34.160 I hated that. 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:38.000 But anyway, I was he said, just play this part. 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:39.039 It's just nothing thing. 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.559 It's you're just falling down from the 16th floor, the 15th floor, and a stairwell. 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:43.279 It's no big deal. 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:46.240 And it was the stuff I've done, it was nothing. 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.839 It was like I've done that stunt, like, or something like that. 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:56.799 Uh not would say hundreds of times, but at least 20 times, or maybe more, something like it. 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:05.920 And so anyway, I was doing the stunt, did the first take, went over the rail, was fighting with this girl, went over the rail. 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:19.680 When I go over the rail the first time, I went over and then I felt myself and I flipped over and landed on my feet on the mat, and I was like, okay, all right, I need to lay out more to make it look like I'm falling, because it looked like I just did a flip over the rail. 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:21.039 And I was like, I'll do that better. 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:22.160 Let me go back up. 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:33.119 So I went back up there, and then somehow, this was God at the time I didn't know what it was, but this was I did not know that my entire life was about to get reset. 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:51.599 My hand, I went over the rail, and the girl that I was doing the scene with, I don't know what happened, but I felt her foot, I felt my foot, I felt something push my foot, and I turned sideways, which didn't feel natural, and it was such a small fall, I didn't have time to react. 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:57.920 And I landed on a pipe and I burst fractured my L2 vertebrae, and I was paralyzed from the waist down. 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:07.759 And when that happened, I I cannot tell you the amount of pain. 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:13.039 I I can I I I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:22.160 I can't even begin to tell you how bad I just screamed, and I gotta tell you something, I'm lying there, and I could, I mean, it burned it. 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.200 I mean, I it makes me jump even thinking about it. 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:38.000 But I was it was just I was just I was I was screaming because I I was just like I knew it was uh you know I was bad. 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.039 It was bad. 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:49.920 And I don't

remember how much time it was, but I knew it took quite a bit of time to get the medical rescue crew up there because it was on the 15th floor of a high rise. 00:29:50.160 --> 00:30:02.720 And um and I remember trying to, I can it just burned so bad I couldn't, like it was just burning, and I and I remember the firefighter reaching under me, and everybody's telling me, Don't move, don't move, don't move. 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:12.160 And I and I could feel, and I I caught this guy like this, and I and I pulled myself up and I could feel this relief kind of in my back. 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:25.839 And then I was like lying there, and this was the first time, and I didn't know what it was because I'd never really experienced it, but this was the first time I felt the Holy Spirit, like for real. 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:34.240 This warmth went over my body and went all the way down me, and I could feel one toe on my left foot move. 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:39.200 I could I could move one toe, and I was like, oh my god. 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.519 And I knew right then I was gonna be okay. 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:42.079 Oh wow. 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:52.400 Like I knew, I don't know what I'm gonna go through, but I'm gonna be, God, I'm gonna, I'm gonna it's really gonna be bad, but I'm gonna be okay. 00:30:53.119 --> 00:31:00.640 And then from from that moment, you know, my wife gets the call, and I mean my whole life changed. 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:12.160 I mean, I went from being this guy that could do anything in the world, my whole identity, my whole purpose, everything I'd worked for, everything I trained for was gone. 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:19.200 I couldn't even, I couldn't move my legs, I couldn't, I couldn't get up, I couldn't do anything. 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:24.880 And it so then I went into emergency surgery for seven and a half hours. 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:35.680 I came out of the surgery, and I had I shouldn't tell the story because this is a Christian show, but I did something really bad. 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:42.720 I'm not good on I'm not good when I get uh anesthesia, like I get very combative. 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.480 Like, because like I like fighting the nurses for the case. 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.519 Uh yeah, I was I did a lot of bad things. 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:59.759 But um like one time I got hurt in Germany, I won't go into it, but I got hurt in Germany and I found myself I woke up and I was tied to the table like like like ropes. 00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:03.599 They had me tied to the gurney, and I walk blood all over me. 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:08.880 And they're like, they're like, you you've been beating up the nurses. 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.599 We you we got you're gonna have to do this awake. 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:12.960 We're not gonna put you under. 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:13.359 Wow. 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.559 So I that was a whole nother Jerry Springer we could go into. 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:26.720

But anyway, so I I I get to the hospital and come out of surgery, and the doctor had a great doctor, everybody at NBC and Universal took good care of me. 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:33.119 Like I have, you know, have nothing but respect for you know the team that kind of helped get me back together. 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:39.440 But that that day, I look back now, was God resetting my life. 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:47.839 Because I was heading down a path that I know, you know, I would if you, you know, just just for the record, if you asked me, are you a Christian? 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.680 I would say, yeah, I'm a Christian. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:57.680 But the real reality is I wasn't a I wasn't a Holy Spirit-filled believer. 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.279 I was I was a Christian in label only. 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:08.000 Like I was I was just uh C and E Christmas and Easter and pray when you get in trouble. 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.480 You know, it's like it doesn't work like that. 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:17.039 So um that's you know, I've said that before, and I it's but that was reality. 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:22.480 And then God started working on me, and it and it took, you know, I'd never done drugs. 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:32.799 Like that, like I didn't, I never I was never one of those guys that, you know, like a lot of stunt guys do painkillers or you know, whatever, because you're you you know, being a stunt man, you you're gonna get hurt when you go to work. 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:33.759 That's just part of it. 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.000 You know, getting hit by a car, it hurts. 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:37.839 Getting thrown down the stairs, it hurts. 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:38.640 I would imagine. 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.799 Smashing through a window, you get cut. 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.960 You know, you know, different stunts. 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.359 You're you go home and you learn how to heal. 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.519 You just don't want to get injured. 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:57.440 Because an injury is like a you know, uh, you know, like separating your shoulder or tearing your ligaments out or you know, breaking paralyzed from the waist down. 00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.640 Well, that's a good one. 00:33:58.799 --> 00:33:59.119 Yeah. 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:14.159 So yeah, so I I didn't I I didn't realize the road to recovery, how long it was really gonna take, and I did not realize at the time, because I didn't realize what happened really had happened to me. 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.199 And it took almost two and a half years, and I did not ever think I wouldn't live without pain. 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:25.599 I mean, I can't even begin to tell you the pain that you you can't you I couldn't sleep at at night. 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:32.320 I mean, I could tell I was on these painkiller regimes, dilatid, oxycottin, norco, vicanin, percocet, perco. 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:33.840 I was on all of it. 00:34:34.000 -->

00:34:34.159 Wow. 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:41.039 And I would and I'd never because I've never done Coke, I've never done X, I've never done you know, all the fun drugs that everybody does or whatever. 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.639 It's supposed to be a good time. 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.400 And I never um I never did that. 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.079 The only thing I've ever done is I've I've said this openly on many podcasts. 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:55.679 I I'd smoked pot a couple times, but I was not a user, you know, it wasn't like something I did. 00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:06.800 And then when I I I was realizing as I was recovering, I'm not I'm not healing, I'm just masking the symptom of the pain. 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.920 Like I I could take the the painkillers, but I'm not getting any better. 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:21.440 So like for months this was going on, and finally I was like, all right, I gotta get off of this stuff. 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.199 Because you know, when you're not a drug person, you don't want to take drugs. 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.599 Like I didn't want, I didn't want to be taking these pills. 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:29.599 That's how a lot of people get addicted to that stuff. 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.599 Because your mom tells you only take the drugs that the doctor gives you. 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.639 And well, okay, well, the doctor's not gonna do anything to hurt me. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:45.280 But they don't, I mean, when you're I mean, like they had me on Dilatted like like six weeks longer than you're supposed to be on it. 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:45.840 Wow. 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:55.599 And I did not know that I was now addicted to painkillers, and so I decided with me being Mike, I can do anything, and I go, I'm just gonna quit. 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:04.800 And so I just one day I just threw all the painkillers away, and I'm laying there in bed, and next thing you know, I think I have the flu. 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:12.719 And I mean, I'm getting sicker and sicker and sicker, and it's like eat the third day into the fourth day. 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.880 I told my wife, I said, if I live through tonight, you have to take me to the hospital. 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.159 I got the flu. 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:23.360 And what it was was I was having the withdrawals from drugs. 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:23.679 Wow. 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.559 Because I'd never done drugs, I didn't know what it was. 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:26.800 Wow. 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.599 And it felt to me like I was having the flu. 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:35.280 And um, and so I'll never forget that night when it broke. 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.440 I was laying there and I was shaking, couldn't regulate my body temperature. 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.519 I was hot, cold, hot, cold, and I was sweating. 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:46.079 I mean, I'm talking when when you have go through it's not like, oh, you have sweats at night. 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.159 This is like somebody took a five-gallon bucket of water and poured it in your bed. 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:57.199 And my wife is like, you know, God bless her, but she's going through all this with me. 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:05.199 And well, anyway, I'll never forget when I felt that come off of me, it felt like I felt awesome. 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:22.159 And then I had a friend who was a really well-respected stunt man, he got his pelvis crushed in a stunt, and he had gotten addicted to painkillers, and he had a big problem with them, but he got off and he went through rehab and had to go through a whole system. 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.519 He comes over and he says, Mike, man, you gotta you gotta quit doing this. 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:29.519 And uh he goes, You gotta start. 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:36.559 And so he made these uh he made me some pot brownies that he that he had made. 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:41.199 Well, I had never taken, I've never eaten pot brownie before. 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:49.039 So he gives it to me and I'm like, and I'm and I'm not for the record, I'm not telling people to I suggest you do this. 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.159 This is just my story. 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.159 So yeah, of course. 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:52.559 Yeah. 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:58.639 So he brings it over, and he and I go, he goes, just eat, just eat a half of one. 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.519 Of course, you know, I like okay, so I eat it, nothing. 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.000 So of course I eat the rest of it. 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.760 Two hours, three hours goes by, all of a sudden, it kicks in. 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.480 And there's some funny videos if you've watched people that have eaten pot brownies or eaten that. 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:17.360 I I call him up. 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:19.280 I I'm literally thinking I'm gonna die. 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.039 Like I think I am dying. 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.159 I can't go to sleep. 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.639 I can't, I am freaking out. 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.000 And I called him up, I go, You should be in prison. 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.079 You should not be allowed to give people this. 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:31.440 He goes, Would you eat the whole thing? 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.239 I go, Well, nothing happened. 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:38.079 And he goes, eat a little piece of it. 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.800 And so anyway, I total delay reaction. 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:41.760 Oh God. 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.159 And now it was the most horrifying. 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:45.840 Like, I never did that ever again. 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.480 I now I did I did take like a third of it, you know, and just eat it, and that was it. 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.960 Because it didn't take the pain away, but what it did was make the pain manageable. 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.599 And so I did that for I don't know, probably six, seven

months. 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.119 I don't, I don't like, I don't like the way it makes me feel, so I don't do it anymore. 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:13.519 You know, I mean, every now and then they're like but but see, I've you know, I've learned to I learned through stretching and exercise, your body wants to heal itself. 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:19.679 And if you just have and you have to eat right, and I quit out, and just for the record, I knocked off all the alcohol for a year. 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:28.880 I just like okay, if I'm gonna heal, I can't drink alcohol at all, and I can't, you know, do now I still have a drink, but you know, alcohol's never been a problem for me. 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.559 It's just been something I've done, you know, randomly all throughout my life. 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:39.199 But but k getting off the painkillers was an experience in and of itself. 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.519 It was it would because you don't know. 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:41.920 Right. 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.639 And and and you and you know, my mom always said, Don't take any drugs unless the doctor gives them to you. 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.360 Well, this guy's you know, that's synthetic heroin. 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:56.800 I mean, if you look at what it really is, yeah, and then you know, there's other kinds of drugs and that that are even worse. 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:13.119 So that that got me to where God really so having been in bed for two years and dealing with this, you have a lot of time to think about a lot of things. 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:23.119 And I said to myself, and believe me, I I was self-pity, anger, embarrassment. 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:34.880 The struggle that I was having internally, because I you can lie to other people about you yourself, but you can't lie to yourself about yourself. 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:47.199 And I knew my whole life had just changed, and and and God was doing something with me at that time, and I was like, okay, well, if I'm not gonna be who I've been my whole life, who am I gonna be now? 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.440 And here was the greatest thing, because now I get to choose. 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:52.960 I so I did this. 00:40:53.039 --> 00:41:06.719 I wrote down ten things that I loved about myself, spiritually, mentally, and physically, and then I wrote down ten things I did not like about myself spiritually, mentally, and physically, and I burned them, and I kept the ten that I liked. 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:14.559 And I started to focus my recovery on doing stuff for other people. 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.119 I started focusing on if I can't help myself, well, I can help others. 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:25.920 So I started volunteering my time for people, I started giving my heart to other people. 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:31.920 I had never been, I've been so selfish, I'd never done anything for any other organization. 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:41.360 So I decided, you know, I'm gonna

I'm gonna do something every day for someone else randomly. 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:53.920 And it doesn't, I mean it might just be holding up in the door, it might be helping someone, you know, with advice, it might be listening just to because sometimes people need a friend, they need to hear, you know. 00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:03.039 And so I I focused my healing on because the only thing that made me feel good at that time was doing stuff for other people because I didn't feel good about myself. 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.960 I didn't feel good about where I was at. 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:10.639 I was I was crushed physically, I was I was atrophied, my body was atrophied. 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.719 I couldn't I couldn't even do two pull-ups. 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.920 I mean, I go from doing tons of them to to I couldn't even do pull-ups. 00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.760 So I started a routine. 00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:24.320 I just would wake up and my goal was to get downstairs and stretch. 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.719 Not stretch like like stretch like you know, like trying to become like super flexible. 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.719 I'm talking just moving. 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:41.360 And then through that, through this healing period, I had a I met my therapist that's that's in the movie. 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:43.119 I was gonna ask you about that, yeah. 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:50.880 And that's when I was going to therapy, and one day she said to me, She goes, Hey, can I pray over you? 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.360 And I'm like, pray over me. 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:54.960 Like I say this in the movie. 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:59.280 I'm like, what do you mean why would you pray over me? 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.360 I don't I don't really believe in any of that anymore. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.199 Because you know, at this point, I had pretty much lost all my faith. 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.559 I mean, I you know, I believe, okay, there's a God, but how do I know the Bible? 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:10.400 How do I know who wrote the Bible? 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.039 How do I know that it hasn't been altered? 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:13.599 How do I know? 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.000 I mean, we only know what we know, so how do we know? 00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:17.760 You know, and I'd always go to that. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:18.880 Is that okay? 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.840 So you I feel like you maybe you had. 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.119 Did you have faith when before you got into holiday? 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:27.599 Did over the course of your career did you lose that faith? 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:28.719 That's what happened. 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:37.679 I had faith at one time, and I forgotten my faith because I had just gotten, you know, like I pray every night. 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.360 I would literally pray every night. 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.159 And I'm not kidding, I literally would pray every night. 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.719 And it never seemed I never heard God talk to me. 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.159 I never felt the Holy Spirit. 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.440 I never I'd always ask, let me know you're real. 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.800 And I never felt anything. 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.199 And I was like, okay, he's not real. 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.599 Or if he is real, he's not talking to me, and you know, and I don't know what to do to get him. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.159 To talk to you me because I feel like I'm going to church. 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:03.280 I took my kids to church. 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:10.239 I and this is during your time when your career when I was when I was doing all the cool stuff. 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:10.960 Yeah. 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.400 I would I would sometimes, I would sometimes, I was raised, I was adopted you know through Catholic charity. 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.039 So I was I was raised Catholic. 00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.239 And I would there was a Catholic church by the house. 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.039 Sometimes I would just go in by myself into the prayer room and go in there and pray. 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.920 I didn't tell anyone I was doing it, but I would do that. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:37.920 And even when I was in China, when I was working in Hong Kong, I would sneak off on Sundays and go to the Catholic Church in Hong Kong and go pray. 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:46.719 You know, and that was the first time I'd ever seen people that actually had faith because those people that were in that church had nothing in China. 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:47.119 In China. 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:48.000 Well, it was in Hong Kong. 00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:48.639 In Hong Kong. 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.519 Yeah, but and most of those people were Filipino. 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:52.159 Oh wow. 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.719 Yeah. 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.800 And so they they they had their faith. 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.679 And I was like, that's what it's like to have faith. 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.599 And see, I didn't feel that ever. 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.960 And then, you know, it's fine. 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.360 Again, be careful what you ask for. 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:09.199 Because let me tell you something. 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.840 Had I not hurt my knee, I would have never been Batman. 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:20.000 Had I never broke my back and crushed my life, I'd never be a man I am today. 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:20.239 Wow. 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:39.360 And I like this guy a lot better than the guy that I was because I may not have all the cool stuff that I did have, but I got a great wife, I got a great family, I got a great relationship with God, I've got a great mission, and I have I have a lot of really solid friends and family. 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.360 I met you through through this journey. 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.920 I met everybody here because of what God's

doing. 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:58.239 And so jumping back to coming out of the moments where like so you're th and you're saying you're therapist now. 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.519 She's getting she wants to pray for you, and you're like, Yeah, what the heck? 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:09.840 Well, and but you guys, when you're not, when you don't know, have I'd never heard anyone pray in tongues before. 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.119 I'd never, or the spirit, whatever you guys, well, however you want to say it. 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:18.239 She started praying over me, and I thought she was throwing a voodoo curse on me. 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.960 Like, like I was sitting there, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.360 Like, how do you how do I know? 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.119 Like, I don't know you, and I'm letting you do this. 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.000 And she, and the funniest thing was, you know, it's kind of awkward. 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:44.239 I mean, to be quite blunt, physical pelvic floor therapy is not something that you you you don't want to have it. 00:46:44.480 --> 00:47:00.239 It's the most painful, humiliating, embarrassing, embarrassing, because you have someone doing things to you, pushing on areas and pulling on areas and moving areas around that are very personal and very private, and you don't just do that. 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:00.559 Right. 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.719 And so here's this woman who's you know very personal with me. 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.800 But what she said to me next, and it this went on for like, I don't know, two or three months. 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:12.960 And she goes, Can I pray for you? 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.760 And I'd always go, Yeah, sure, pray for me. 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.760 Well, one day I finally just stopped her, and you go, You know, I don't believe any of this stuff. 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.760 Like, I don't, you know, you believe in the spirit world, you believe in all this, you think it works? 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.079 And she said to me, This is this, I swear this changed my entire life. 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:29.440 This one thing she said. 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:34.079 She goes, You don't believe in the have you heard of the occult? 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.320 Have you heard in Satan worship or SRA? 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:39.760 Have you heard of any of this stuff? 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:41.440 I'm like, no. 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.400 And she's like, Oh, I don't invite that into my life. 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.679 I'm not gonna she goes, I highly suggest you look into it. 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.079 It's completely real and you need to look into it. 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.360 And I was like, and that stuck with me. 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.119 I'm like, what is she talking about? 00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:58.480 Like the occult. 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.199 And that was the start of my journey. 00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.760 That was like because I didn't know what she meant. 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:14.800 And I'm like, okay, so then you know, me, I'm like, well, I'll go on YouTube and I start looking up, you know, I'm like, well, I'm watching videos. 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:24.320 And next thing I know, I'm seeing things, and this is when I I've I say a lot of this in out of shadows, but uh, you know, I'll uh it's been a few years, so I'll repeat it. 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:40.559 But it's been like I remember as I'm looking at these occult uh symbols and artwork and just different things from the occult world, I'm like, man, I've seen that in my friend's house. 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:42.079 I've seen that at my other friend's house. 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:42.880 I've seen that. 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:43.760 Like what? 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:56.880 I'm like, and so just it just started, it planted a seed, and the seed started to grow, and I started to go, and then now all of a sudden I'm going I don't know, and then I'm like, I've started now. 00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.119 I'm now I'm just wanting to know. 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:12.079 Because, you know, I'm you know, I know about archangels, Gabriel and Michael and uh Uriel, and I mean all the different excuse me, archangels. 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.719 I mean, I've heard about them, but I don't know anything about them. 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:24.639 So during this period, and this is weird, but I felt like God was telling me, I want you to read the book of Enoch. 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.679 And I'm like, I don't, the book of Enoch, I've never read the Bible. 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.119 I don't want to confuse myself. 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.639 I'm trying to get through the Bible. 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.960 Like, like, why are you doing this? 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:40.000 What God was showing me, in my opinion, was how spiritual warfare works. 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:48.320 Because being a martial artist, being a fighter, if you don't know your enemy, like Sun Tzu's art of war, if you don't know your enemy, you're never going to defeat him. 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.320 You know, if you know yourself and not your enemy, you're not gonna be successful. 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.719 If you know your enemy and not yourself, you're not gonna be successful. 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.920 You need to know your enemy, you need to know yourself and know your enemy. 00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:10.719 So I started studying this stuff, and I went down that rabbit hole for like, I don't know, as I was starting to go down it, I went down it for probably a couple weeks, right? 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.159 Where I was just really trying to figure it out. 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:26.159 And I've I'm I'm not gonna do it here because it'll take too long, but this is when I had I had my first experience with the Holy Spirit. 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:42.800 And I had, I mean, God ripped back the veil on me, and when he did

this, it it it literally, if you could feel the love and the light of Christ that I felt that day, I'd never even have to do a podcast. 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.639 You you it no one would. 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.199 No one would have to, I wouldn't have to say a word. 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.760 But God doesn't do that for everyone. 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:54.320 He did it for me because I think he chose me to do what I did. 00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:00.400 And what he did was I all right, well, I'll tell you a little bit. 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.719 And if if anybody wants to watch it, I'm sure you can look it up online, you can go see my testimony. 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:37.119 But my what happened was I had I had to do I was doing everything right, you know, I was doing everything, you know, I was trying to pray more, I was trying to be a better man, I was rebuilding who I was, and then all of a sudden, one night, I got pinned to the bed by this dark force, like this demonic, like yeah, and I can't, and I and this is the part, like I don't care if people believe me. 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:41.280 Like, I don't care what people think, and and people can say I'm crazy. 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:42.639 I don't, I don't care. 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:47.679 I know what happened to me, and I believe me, so that's all that really matters. 00:51:48.320 --> 00:52:02.639 And this thing pinned me to the bed, and it was the first time it's it was like it put its something over my face, and it shoved me down the bed, and it I couldn't breathe, and it was trying to suffocate me. 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:09.280 And I I couldn't wake up, I couldn't get it off of me, and I was I could feel myself starting to die. 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.599 And then all of a sudden, I don't know how I did, but I broke awake. 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.800 I actually, when I did that, I hit my wife, she's like, What? 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.280 I'm like, something's trying to kill me. 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:26.079 And I I've I've I have never been that scared in my life. 00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:31.920 I've I mean I've done a lot of things that would scare most people, but this was something I didn't know how to fight. 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.000 This was something that was different. 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.159 This was, I couldn't explain it. 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:42.960 And you know, of course, I know the Lord's prayer, our Father Heart in Heaven, Albion, but I did not know how to fight this attack. 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:48.480 So that's when I got super serious about spiritual warfare because that was real. 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.159 That actually happened. 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:50.639 Wow. 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.840 So that's when I'm like, okay, I don't know how this works. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:53:00.719 I don't know, you know, you got the Catholics, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Presbyterians, you got you got every kind of denomination. 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.440 And every one of them thinks that the other ones aren't doing it right. 00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:08.239 But I know one thing spiritual world's we're real and the word of God is real. 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.559 So I'm gonna start there. 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.599 And I'm gonna walk with that. 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:21.119 Now, how you how you get to it and where you go get it from, that's your relationship with the with the man upstairs. 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:25.519 So I was like, so I went, I didn't go to sleep that night. 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.320 I went, I went, I stayed, I was freaked out. 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.360 Next morning at 6 o'clock, I get up, I go to the gym. 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.280 I'm gonna end up telling the story. 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:45.039 I end up going to the gym, and I I called an old friend because most of my friends in LA are not up at 6 o'clock in the morning, usually 9 or 10 if you're not working. 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:48.559 And we go work out, and you know, we're usually like, man, what's wrong with you? 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:53.679 And I'm like, I I can't tell him, hey, dude, I just got pinned in my bed by demonic spirit. 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.239 Like he's gonna look at me like I've lost my mind. 00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:04.159 Well, we end up in this, we work out and we go to the sauna, and we're sitting in there, and it's again, it's funny how God works. 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:12.239 There's this older gentleman who comes in, and I know him from the gym, you know, just from the gym, and he looks at me, he goes, Mike, man, you don't look like you're doing good. 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:13.519 And I go, No, man, I don't. 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.519 He goes, I he goes, Well, what's what's wrong? 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.400 I go, I feel like I need a blessing. 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.559 And he goes, Well, what are you doing tonight? 00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.239 I said, Well, nothing. 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:34.400 He goes, Well, we have this holy sacrament that we break out once a year for healing and blessings. 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:41.119 And tonight at our church is that night, he goes, Why don't you come to our church? 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:54.719 Well, what he didn't know was I knew who he was because he was uh an usher at the Catholic church that I used to go to that I hadn't been in in five years. 00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:55.599 Oh wow. 00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:57.840 And I knew exactly who he was. 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:05.840 And so, and by the way, I was one of the original people that started that church before it would became what it is today. 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:11.119 It was like small and it was in like in a different uh building, and then it became a big church. 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:20.000 And I used to go religiously, like I said, I was I would, I would, I was in practice a cat a Christian, but I was in spirit empty and void. 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.239 I

wasn't that was that was what was missing. 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:39.119 So anyway, I go to that church, and actually, if you watch the movie Out of Shadows, there's a shot of me holding up my phone to the to the cross, and that was the day I'll never free. 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.360 I've never been more scared to walk into church in my life. 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.480 I was mortified to walk into that church. 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:48.000 And he said, What are you doing tonight? 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:51.440 I said, Well, he said, we're having this thing at 7 o'clock. 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:52.559 I set my alarm. 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.880 I was I was not gonna miss this thing. 00:55:55.039 --> 00:56:07.039 So I, as I'm walking in, I pulled out my phone and I videoed me walking into that church because however you want to say this, however you want to get to it, this is what I knew. 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:13.760 I don't care what that priest said or that pastor was gonna say, I know that the word of God is real. 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:23.599 Because if that demonic spirit that pinned me to that bed is real, then Jesus Christ is real because you can't have the devil without Jesus. 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:33.119 So however you want to get to that, or not the devil, a demon, or dark entity, a principality, the spirit, that was real. 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:35.119 Jesus is real. 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.519 And all I know is I needed to get right with Jesus. 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:40.000 Wow. 00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.039 So I walk in that church, I'm ashamed of myself. 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.559 I'm sitting in the very back of the church, got my head down. 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.800 I I don't want anybody to see me because people know me. 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.440 I actually I found out later one of my daughter's friends was in there and saw me in there. 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.679 But I walked in that church and this light started hitting me. 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:08.159 And it wasn't coming from the skylight, it was coming from over here where there was it was just coming, this light, and I it started pushing down on me. 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:16.000 And I just I could feel the Holy Spirit coming over me, and I just started crying. 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:16.320 Wow. 00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:23.039 And all I kept saying was, I am so sorry, God, I did not believe in you. 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:24.480 I am so sorry. 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:26.159 Please, please forgive me. 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:26.800 Please. 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:27.440 Wow. 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:29.440 And it just got me on my knees. 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.599 I couldn't tell you how long that mass went on. 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:35.039 But the mass, he said, yeah, I forgot to tell you this part. 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:44.800 He goes, This mass has been very, he goes, just understand it's there's been very profound healing effects and blessings, but you have to be ready to take it. 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:51.519 And so when I got there, there was only like 80 people, and this place holds like seven, eight hundred people, maybe more. 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:56.719 And in the front, there's like a prayer team, and then there's the sick people in their wheelchairs, cancer. 00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.960 I mean, I might as well tell the whole story because I'm halfway through it. 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:07.360 So I end up back in the back of the church, and I'm all just I'm just I'm devastated. 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.880 I I couldn't tell you how long the mass was, I couldn't tell you what all I know is the music for the first time sounded good. 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.000 It didn't annoy me. 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.920 Most of the time when I go to church, the music drives me crazy. 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.480 You know, same song over and over and over. 00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:21.679 I'm like, oh my God. 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.519 You know, it just drive me nuts. 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:24.800 I'm just being honest. 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:33.119 So then the priest says, if you'd like to see this anointer, this blessing, would you please come forward? 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:43.039 Well, I saw people in the audiences kind of moving to where the prayer team was, and they're going up there, and I could not get out of my chair. 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:48.239 I literally could not, I literally could not get up out of the chair. 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.480 And I was just there and I was still crying. 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:55.440 I was just, I was just hiding my face in shame and bawling. 00:58:56.559 --> 00:59:03.679 And and then I heard him say, okay, would anybody else like to receive this blessing? 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.960 And I I still couldn't get out of my chair. 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.800 And so he they they do the the blessing over those people, and then there's no one left in the church. 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:18.480 I mean, literally, there was like the prayer team, but everybody else is kind of filtering out. 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:20.320 And he says, Last call. 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:25.360 And I said, I don't know how I'm gonna do this, but I gotta get out of this chair, I gotta make it up there. 00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:47.519 And somehow I got up there, and I sat I sat down in the chair, and I was sitting like this, and I was I was trying to hide, but but this light, it just kept hitting me, and it just kept pounding me, and I couldn't even, I couldn't even look, I couldn't look at it. 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:49.920 If I look at it, I felt like I would die. 00:59:50.400 --> 01:00:16.320 So I'm sitting there, and this kid, so there's the prayer people behind the prayer team, prayer warriors behind us, and then there's some around us, and there's only like two or three people left, and then this one kid, he's you know, he's probably in his early 20s, comes up and he, I'm like

this, and he puts his pelvis right here in my face, and I'm like, you know, I want to back him up, you know, like I want to back him up. 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.400 And he says to me, Can I pray for you? 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:33.760 And at that moment, I just surrendered everything, every bit of ego, every bit of everything, and I just humbled myself and I said, Would you please pray for me? 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.400 And he put his hands on me and he started praying. 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.320 I could hear the other people praying, and then I I all I remember is the priest's shoes. 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.079 I don't even remember what he looked like. 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:59.440 And he came up to me and he put his hand, I could I could feel this energy coming off of him as he was, and he was speaking in Latin and he was praying over me in Latin, and I don't know what he said, it could have been 30 seconds or three minutes, I don't remember. 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:30.159 But when he went, he touched me, and when he touched me, I felt I felt this washing come over me, and I knew right then I had just been cleansed, and I had just been forgiven, and I had because I was repenting and I was just humbling, and when he touched me, I felt this glory, I mean the best, no sex, no drug, no alcohol, no anything was better than that feeling. 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:30.559 Wow. 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:34.000 And I and I had chills all over my body. 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.679 And I just started, I lost it then. 01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:38.960 I just lost it. 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:46.239 And I remember I I was trying to leave the church to get, and they were like telling me, you gotta go. 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.639 And I couldn't, I couldn't get up. 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:59.760 So then I get, I I finally remember I got out of there somehow, and then I drove home and I got to the house and I walked in, and my you know, you know when you see someone's been crying, you can't really hide that. 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.320 My wife walks in, she goes, What happened to you? 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:10.719 And I was like, honey, I think I just got saved. 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:11.199 Wow. 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.440 And I mean, really saved. 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:14.159 Wow. 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:23.599 And she goes, and I go, I I I just need, and I could this tingling was still in my body, it was still all over me. 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:28.719 And I was like, this is amazing. 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:34.880 And then, you know, me, being me, I'm like, oh, well, let's make a cocktail and talk about it. 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:41.920 So I make a cocktail, and literally as soon as I touch that alcohol to my lips, that tingling starts to go away. 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.239 And I put that drink down, and I never finished that drink. 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.599 I was like, uh-uh, there's something here. 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.280 And I'm and so I have strived to feel that feeling again. 01:02:54.400 --> 01:03:28.559 And you don't get it very often, but when you're blessed with it, man, enjoy it because that's God really, and that and that really was the catalyst for me starting the journey that I went on and the movies that I made, and it was and I know I we weren't really gonna talk about all that, but that testimony was you know, look, I I can sit here and tell you all the cool stunt stories in the world and all the cool stories in the world, but that honestly to me is the coolest story of all. 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:29.440 Amen. 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.599 Because let me tell you something. 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:39.760 That injury, had I not shattered my spine and became paralyzed, I never would be the man I am today, and I never would be a Christian. 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.079 And I never, I mean, I'm not the way that I am today. 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:53.599 I'm not I'm still flawed, I'm still you know, still cuss too much, and I still will drink, but I am 100% sold out for Jesus Christ and God, and I will do whatever he's calling me to do. 01:03:53.760 --> 01:04:16.400 And I sometimes think I'm hearing him and I'm not, or maybe I'm trying to and it doesn't always work out, but I'm doing the best that I can, and I know that I just have to stay humble and I just have to stay in the in the word and I have to stay in prayer, and uh I don't know. 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:24.159 I I I am grateful to him for I call it my reset button. 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:51.679 Like breaking my back, I reset my life, and I got to redefine it this time with him in it, with him first, not I would always say my this is I call them hypochristians, it's like my thing, because like that's why I was always like uh those guys are crazy, because they'd act like they worship God, and then they you know live like a heathen on Friday and Saturday, and then go to church on Sunday and get forgiven and start over Monday. 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.519 So I would watch that, and that was my example of a Christian. 01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:14.719 So what I'm trying to do is be a better man now and live it in that way people can see it by example, not necessarily they can see your witness, they can see Christ's Yeah, and I'm and I'm and I'll if I'm being honest and God knows, you know, I think we stumble, all of us, and we slip. 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.519 But it's never you're never out of the pocket. 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:19.679 You never you once you're in, you're in. 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:28.239 You just have to keep you have to break off any portals or anything that you've opened up to invite Satan or darkness into your life. 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:29.599 You have to clean that out. 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:36.880 And you know, there's you know, we always, you know, you know, this there's porn, uh, alcohol, drugs, those are portals. 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:39.440 You know, the seven deadly sins. 01:05:39.519 -->

01:05:46.639 I mean, those are the portals that we open money, greed, gossip, all those things. 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.519 And I so I just try to be a better man each day. 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:58.559 And um, you know, it's it's a struggle because this is not this world is not it's not heaven. 01:05:59.280 --> 01:05:59.599 You know. 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:07.840 Yeah, and it's um you know a lot of Christians today they kind of have this what's called anti-nomianism. 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:08.239 Yeah. 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:14.159 And uh it's what Bonhoeffer calls cheap grace, where it's like, okay, I I prayed, I said the prayer, I'm good. 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.760 It's like they think they got this rubber stamp pass into heaven. 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:23.280 But when you understand the power of grace, grace isn't a license to sin. 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:32.000 Grace is actually uh the it's it's like God, grace is supposed to actually want to cause you. 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:46.000 When you understand the price that Jesus paid for your life and the sacrifice and what he did to offer you pardon, grace actually empowers you to live a righteous life under God. 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:53.519 It's not a rubber stamp cheap thing that a lot of Christians subscribe to. 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.639 It's not. 01:06:56.079 --> 01:07:02.800 It's a posture of I am grateful, God, I am undeserved, your grace covers my life. 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:03.760 Thank you. 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:09.760 Like, does it mean, like you said, does it mean that you don't go through life and you don't make a mistake or you don't slip, right? 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.920 But that's why we have an advocate in Jesus with the Father, right? 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:23.519 And we're under grace, but the idea is that, like, oh, I can, you know, a lot of people ascribe to, oh, I can go out and live my life however I want because I'm under grace. 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:24.880 No, no, no, no, no. 01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:35.039 Grace actually empowers you to live a righteous life before God, and when you understand that you want, you want to be a better man for God, you want to be a witness for Christ. 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:42.639 Well, and and think about what you said, like you're not here, I mean, when you're when you're young, you think you're here for a long time. 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.199 You're not here for a long time. 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:47.679 This is this is very short. 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:50.639 Don't blink. 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:51.519 Yeah. 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:53.039 Exactly. 01:07:53.280 --> 01:08:06.880 And it's it's like, you know, we get caught up in our own self-serving worlds, and we don't understand what what was given to us. 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:20.239 That's well, here's the other thing, and I want to talk about this too, but um, you know, we were talking about out of shadows, and and when we when I made the movies, and I gave up what I gave

up to make those films. 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:22.000 I gave up millions of dollars. 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.319 I gave up a career most people would never have. 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:32.000 But the one thing that I gained that no one knows or can really see is my peace in my heart with God. 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:33.760 And you can't pay for that. 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:35.199 Can't put a price on that, man. 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:36.479 And let me tell you one other thing. 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:50.880 When you're in a wheelchair, when you're paralyzed, I don't care if you have two billion dollars in your bank account cash, you'll give all two billion dollars back to give you what God gave you for free. 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:51.520 Yeah. 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:56.880 Like your eyesight, your hearing, your health, your ability to walk. 01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.880 We take it all for granted for so long. 01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:07.920 At some point, you have to be grateful for what you've been given. 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:09.680 And I I walk now. 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.399 Okay, I don't have the money I used to have. 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.000 I don't have a problem saying that. 01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:19.680 But I know that God will restore me, and I know that God will, even if he doesn't, I don't care. 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.520 I know I have peace in my heart when I walk with him, when I talk to him. 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.600 And it's funny now because we were talking about this when we were when we were driving up. 01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:29.760 I bet I pray more. 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:37.279 I bet I pray more than I'm when I'm alone, like not when I'm in public, but when I'm at my myself, I I'm praying all the time. 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.840 Or at least I'm talking to him in my head all the time. 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:40.239 Right. 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.800 You know, I'm that's like it's always about him. 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:52.640 So I I love I don't love what I went through, and I and it was a it was a tragic act. 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:58.720 I was a victim of a very tragic situation, but I am not a victim to my situation. 01:09:59.039 --> 01:09:59.600 Right. 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:01.840 You know, I'm yeah, victory in Christ. 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:02.399 That's right. 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:03.119 You're a victor. 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:04.239 Victor, very good. 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:05.359 It's awesome, man. 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.000 No, uh thank you for sharing your testimony, man. 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:08.640 It's powerful. 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.359 And I and I do, you you brought up out of the shadows. 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:11.840 Yeah. 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:17.840 I want to transition to that because you know, you you left that life behind, gave your life to Christ. 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:23.760 Now God calls you really not just to make this movie, but two movies. 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.800 And I didn't want to make the second one, trust me. 01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:30.000 But out of the shadows, you out of shadows. 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:30.800 Out of the shadows. 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:31.600 Out of shadows. 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.039 You made it independently. 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:33.359 Yeah. 01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:33.840 Right? 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.079 You put your own I paid for it. 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:37.359 You paid for it. 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:38.399 I made it. 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:43.760 And it went, and it went basically when you finally got done producing it, put it out there, it went viral. 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.520 Oh, it went super viral. 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:55.920 Like it had over a million views in 24 hours, and then it like by I think three days we had five to seven million views, and then by the end of the week, it was like near 10 million. 01:10:56.079 --> 01:11:06.319 And then it would it was weird because I would watch the numbers in the back end go like way, way up, and then like numbers on the front end, they would turn them down, like they would throttle them. 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:12.800 But that movie, when because you know what I did was I I made the movie and then I gave it away for free. 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:25.680 I I I you know, like now it looks like I look like I was a prophet or an oracle because I was trying to tell everybody this stuff seven years ago, but it looked like I was the crazy one in the room, you know. 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:41.199 But um but but the one thing about that movie that I think God anointed was when you hear the truth, you know, you think about you know your your spiritual weapons, the word of God, the sword of the spirit is the word of God. 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:42.079 That's the truth. 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.680 It cuts through all the deception, you know what I mean? 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.760 Like Ephesians 6 12, you know. 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.680 Yeah, put on the great Absolutely, yeah. 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.640 So put on the full armor of God. 01:11:55.039 --> 01:12:16.319 Um so uh I I think I think it registered with people because it was thing it connected dots in a way that it allowed people to come to, oh yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense, that makes sense. 01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:25.359 And they and they're and it's coming from someone in Hollywood that you know I was I was at the highest levels of that stuff. 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.720 I mean, meaning not not the call, I'm talking about Hollywood. 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:36.159 I'm talking about I was at the highest levels of of uh the business. 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:38.800 Like, you know, I mean I got to do things most people don't get to do. 01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:46.239 I got to hear things and you know, see things, and and when I'm I'm talking about professionally, I'm talking about on set, you know, be a part of. 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:52.640

And you know, you know, to me, there is a club, and I've talked about this on other podcasts. 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:54.640 I don't know who they are. 01:12:55.039 --> 01:13:00.239 I have my my personal opinion, but that's I can't prove any of that stuff. 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:08.079 But it's like a fraternity, you know, once you're in the fraternity, you're in a fraternity, and you your brothers take care of you, your sisters take care of you, you know. 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:19.760 And um and I think I think what that movie did was it exposed a lot of that stuff, and there was, you know, you have you know, let's think about it. 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:35.039 There was it would it got translated into 24 different languages, it went global, but when it when when it went super viral, and then it, you know, we we met we tracked the metrics, and I'm pretty sure in 10 months we hit over a hundred million views, and that was six years ago. 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:35.439 Wow. 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:38.640 We put that movie out in April 2020. 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:44.720 And if you go to my X account, I put the movie, I uploaded it a couple years ago. 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.800 It's got 23 million views on X after they kicked me off the first time. 01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:50.560 It got censored, it got censored. 01:13:50.800 --> 01:14:00.159 Oh, I got kicked off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all of the major platforms, PayPal, Reddit, YouTube, uh, and uh TikTok. 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:02.399 Like I got silenced. 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:08.880 Why and let me ask you, so you why do you, for the audience, why do you think that is? 01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:11.920 Why would they take that movie if it wasn't a threat? 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.359 If everything in that, like, why do you think they took it off? 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:22.880 Is the those platforms what's in out of the shadows that would take it off, get it taken off? 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:24.560 That's a great question, actually. 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:26.960 Um I think it's a number of things. 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:34.399 I think um I think it I think it hit a I think it hit a little too close to home. 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:40.239 You know the weirdest thing is like with with Google, so like you know how you have an email list? 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:43.520 So you here here's it check this out in the audience right now. 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:48.000 Even if you guys are on X, even to this day, do it right now. 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:55.359 If you type in outofads.org on your Twitter feed or your sorry X feed, um, and try to share that. 01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:06.079 So if you if you if you if you go on your X account and you just type in outofads.org and try to post it, like to talk about it, you can't post it. 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:07.199 Oh wow. 01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.119 Yeah, it won't even let you post it. 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:16.640 Not even and then and then when we were sending out links to the movies on our mailing list, Google was blocking it. 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:20.239 Wow, man. 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:20.880 Yeah. 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:30.560 Well, so so I mean, you don't have to give away the whole thing, but you know, and by the way, we're gonna put the links to Out of Shadows and it's a good idea. 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:35.840 Well, the best the best place people, the best place that people want to see these films, it's still free. 01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.239 I've never charged a dime for Out of Shadows. 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:41.439 I I let everybody upload it, put it on their websites. 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.840 People are like, oh my god, they're putting your website, and I'd see a million views over here, three million over here. 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.880 And they're like, I go, just as long as you don't monetize it. 01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:57.920 Because God told me, I want you to make this movie, you're gonna take no credit, you're gonna put it out for free, and you're not gonna charge for it. 01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.720 That was that was my mandate that he gave me. 01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:02.159 And so I've stuck to that mandate. 01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:13.439 Now, out of into the light's a different story because when I did Out of Shadows, that was a God, that was God telling me, you know, and I and I had the money back then to be honest with you. 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:19.199 I I I could afford to spend three or four hundred thousand dollars on a film, you know, or didn't didn't matter. 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.000 I was serving what I felt like was the greater good. 01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.880 And I was and I don't I don't mind sacrifice, and whatever. 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:26.239 I mean, what am I gonna do with it? 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:27.119 And take it with me? 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:31.920 I mean, okay, I've eaten at great restaurants and five first class, I've stayed at good hotels. 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:33.920 Nothing new is gonna happen. 01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.319 So I don't really care about that. 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:47.600 I mean, yes, you need resources to to do things, and I'm not, and I do like nice things, I'm not stupid, but sometimes you gotta step up, you know, and and and do what you gotta do. 01:16:47.840 --> 01:17:14.960 And so I did, and it's interesting because um the blessing I got was how many people came back to Christ and how many people I mean, I had millions of people tell me that movie changed my life, and it changed my kids' lives, and it brought awareness to things that I never saw. 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:20.640 And the reason I think it was so effective is because I didn't tell you, it's not political. 01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:22.960 There's no it's not one side or the other side. 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:29.119 It's just look, these things are real, whether you're aware of them or not, these are real things, and you can go look into them.

01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:36.479 Operation Mockingbird was a real thing, Operation Paperclip was a real thing, MK Ultra is a real thing. 01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:42.079 Satanic ritual abuse is a real thing, child trafficking is a real thing. 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:51.039 And I didn't take a stance of I'm trying to paint a picture for you, I'm trying to show you that this is real. 01:17:51.359 --> 01:18:11.520 Because I know it's real, because I worked in that world, I've seen those documents like when you wanted to do a certain film, you got to get approval from I'm you know, I'm not attacking the CIA because there are some good people that work in the CIA, just like in everything, there's good and bad, and that's the one thing that people always want to black and white everything. 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:13.840 Okay, these are bad guys, these are good guys. 01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.399 And the world is very gray. 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:29.279 There's, you know, depending on what personality you are, or what kind of hang-ups you might have. 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.039 Some people are motivated by money. 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:36.640 Some people just want to make money, some people want power, some people just want their ego. 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:42.399 You know, everybody's got a thing that they want to get, you know, that they want. 01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:55.279 And so you you they want they want to control that so that if they can control those things in you, then they can control your messaging. 01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:58.239 They can control what your behavior will be. 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:00.880 And these and these movies point that out. 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:05.760 And the second one actually makes you aware of of how you get manipulated. 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:11.680 Because unless you know how you're being manipulated or the tools they use, you're not ever gonna be able to fight it. 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:15.520 You can't, how do you fight a fight when you don't even know you're in a fight? 01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:18.399 Because you think, oh, everybody's telling me the truth. 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:19.520 Why would they lie? 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:27.920 You gotta understand if they control your story and what you're hearing, what you're told, and what you believe, they control your behavior. 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:31.760 And they don't just let anybody have that power. 01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:39.119 So if you want that power, you want to be famous, or you want to get into the high levels of it, you're gonna give something up. 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:44.319 You're gonna give up either your control, your you're gonna give something up. 01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:46.399 Because they don't just give you that. 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:47.920 That's not how they think. 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:50.960 God gives you that, God gives you freedom. 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:52.880 Jesus gives you freedom. 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:53.760 They don't. 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:57.439 You're not playing on that is not Jesus playing on that team. 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:03.439 That's a whole different group of enemies, and you're dealing with some very high-level ones. 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:04.319 Wow. 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:09.840 Yeah, and you to and you in so that was out of shadows, and then you used to be. 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:11.680 Yeah, and then can I say one thing right here? 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:11.920 Yeah. 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:17.199 One of the things that they they tried to pin on that movie was this is Q QAnon stuff. 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:19.600 Q's not mentioned in that movie anywhere. 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.560 Because why am why am I why they put that in there? 01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:27.680 Why are they saying that because because I was reading the Q drops when I put the movie out? 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:29.199 Well, yeah, I was reading them. 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:31.359 I was I wanted to figure out what it is. 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:37.439 The one thing I've learned in this life is you don't know what you don't know if you don't look into it for yourself. 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:38.159 Right. 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:41.279 Don't believe everything you hear and see. 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:48.239 Have have what's you know, most people just hear hear something, here's oh, that's what that's what happened. 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:53.199 No, look into it, do a little research, discern, pray over it. 01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:54.000 Right. 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:55.439 Pray over it. 01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:58.720 And that's what I I learned over this journey. 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:10.319 It's like, I mean, so many times I have to go back and go, all right, I'm I'm upset about something, and I go out in my field or I go out and I pray. 01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:12.239 And I ask for God to tell me something. 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.199 Sometimes He tells me something, sometimes he doesn't say anything. 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:17.520 Sometimes I'm not supposed to know. 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:21.119 Maybe I'm supposed to be patient, maybe I'm supposed to just wait. 01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:26.800 You know, I mean, my timing and God's timing, I've learned real quick, He doesn't work on my clock. 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:28.800 It's like not gonna happen. 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:29.840 Right, yeah. 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:31.840 It's totally two different timings. 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:32.399 Oh, yeah. 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:48.800 And then the weirdest thing, like I'm I've I've really found peace with this, like with my back and everything, was had I not broken my back and had God not reset my life and gave me one more chance to redeem my soul, I would not be who I am today, and I would not be doing what I am today. 01:21:48.880 --> 01:22:00.000 And I am way more happy being this guy than I was the guy in Hollywood chasing a bunch of dreams that were really false reality to begin with. 01:22:01.600 -->

01:22:02.640 Right, yeah. 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:09.680 No, man, it's it's powerful, and I and I've actually watched both documentaries, and they're they're powerful. 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:23.279 And so out of the shadows or out of shadows touches on that, and then into the light kind of goes into the psychological warfare, fifth generation warfare, the psyop of it all, right? 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:29.039 And how it's more like the government, the media, the broader societal kind of control. 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:38.239 And uh man, I remember when uh I watched it, I was just like, it was like the veil was ripped off my eyes, man. 01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:40.319 I was just like, oh my goodness, what are they doing? 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:59.760 It made me really restructure the way like what I let my kids watch, what I let them have access to, what even me and my wife watch, like, because now it's like you can't once you know the truth, you can't unsee or unhear the truth, like you're responsible for it. 01:22:59.920 --> 01:23:00.399 Oh, yeah. 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:04.399 And so powerful, powerful documentaries. 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:10.399 And uh so what like what would you say is the through line connection of it all? 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.039 Messaging, narrative control. 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:15.760 And what does the Bible teach? 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:17.359 Messaging, narrative control. 01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:18.880 You gotta control your own narrative. 01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:23.520 You have to be in the word of God, you have to be in his message, not Satan's. 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:25.359 And I'm gonna say one more thing. 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:29.520 Into the light.movie is where you can find both of those films. 01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:30.640 Just just so you know. 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:38.079 If you if you want to watch that those films, that's on our own website, that's on our own, um, on our own code. 01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:40.800 It's not on Microsoft, Google, or Amazon. 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:47.760 It's it's what we built so that we wouldn't we wouldn't be throttled when we place the movies out there. 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.439 So now, I mean, yes, X has 23 million views. 01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:52.880 I uploaded it to X. 01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:56.960 It's I mean, it's five years later, the movie still's got 23 million views on it. 01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:04.000 I'm just saying, these movies made a difference, and that credit goes straight to Jesus Christ and God. 01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:04.640 It is not me. 01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:11.520 I'd love to sit here and tell you I'm the greatest filmmaker in the world and I'm so great and all that. 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:16.319 But the truth is, if it wasn't for Jesus or God, I would never would have done it. 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:18.479 And I have to give that glory back to him. 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:26.000 Now, there was a lot of people that worked and sacrificed along with me with those things, but that comes from him, it does not come from me. 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:31.920 And uh, and I think what what they are are tools. 01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:46.239 They're tools in a toolbox because depending on where you're like, say you have a loved one, say you have your family, like your sister or your mom or your cousins or whoever, and you're having a dinner discussion or you're having a dang, you those are great tools. 01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.520 Hey, watch this and then see what how they react. 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:59.600 You know, some people, oh, it's all they don't, because you do the one if someone says that they're all that's all not true, the biggest bump that Alice Shadows got was the Epstein stuff. 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:04.479 And I didn't really touch on Epstein that much, but he but we did mention it. 01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:06.640 But it's all the child stuff. 01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:09.039 It's all the it's all what's come out. 01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:10.239 All that's real. 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:13.680 People don't want to admit that this is real, but it is real. 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:19.359 And the only way that you can address it is to know about it. 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:22.239 If you don't know about it, then how are you gonna address it? 01:25:22.479 --> 01:25:29.680 It's like we were talking about on the way here, the the the porn books in the high school libraries or the pornographic, whatever. 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:31.600 I mean in the elementary and middle schools. 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:32.079 Right. 01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:37.920 People don't know about it, or they would go down there and raise holy hell with those schools. 01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:44.479 You don't think, I mean, like I I know as a parent, I never went to my kids' library and picked up any books. 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:47.279 I did, I'm guilty, I'll say it up front. 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:49.119 I trusted the system. 01:25:52.159 --> 01:25:53.119 And I was wrong. 01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:58.880 I mean, thank God my kids turned out great, but and they went to great schools. 01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.039 But not everybody has that. 01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:01.680 Right. 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:02.800 And so what do you do? 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:05.039 You want to control the world, control the narrative. 01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:07.199 Well, you got to control the kids first. 01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:10.640 Because that's who's gonna control the world and control the narrative. 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:15.840 You want to shift the Overton window, you gotta change, look at how they change the history books. 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:22.399 Go pick up a Texas history book today and then go find the one that I had in seventh grade. 01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:23.279 Oh, yeah? 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:24.640 Whole different story. 01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:25.279 Oh, yeah. 01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:33.520 Well, you can go in a history book right now in any high

school and you can look at how they they teach how the Mayflower Compact was written. 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:44.159 And they took all the references to God and advancing the Christian faith, all that, like that's not in that's not what they're teaching. 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:48.800 Like they they slowly rewrite history, which is part of the agenda, right? 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:56.720 So that you don't rem you don't remember your true history, so you can rewrite the future, you can shape the future. 01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:01.439 Why do you I mean there's so many reasons why they do it. 01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:04.319 It's just we didn't think they were doing it here. 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:05.520 Right. 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:06.800 Yeah. 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:08.159 And that's really it. 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:20.560 And you know, we I mean, look, man, we can we can go deep into some of this stuff, but the reality is this, like with um you we're under attack. 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:32.000 I mean, like the the war between the Marxist-Leninist communist, basically satanic world and God's world has not ever stopped. 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:33.359 It's not stopped. 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:33.840 Right. 01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:37.680 What do you think the pilgrims were leaving England for? 01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:39.279 Why'd they leave? 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:40.800 You know, why do they come here? 01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:42.319 They were tired of tyranny. 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:44.079 They wanted the fur their sovereignty. 01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:46.399 They wanted their own sovereignty. 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:59.600 And now that's being threatened again at the highest level, you know, and I don't and I don't care, you know, like you people are so confused because I mean I I honestly walk, you know, I fly a lot like you do. 01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:01.840 You travel, I travel. 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.600 I just feel like I'm walking around in the in the matrix. 01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:10.800 Like I feel like I walk into all these airports and like I'm I listen to people's conversations. 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:13.359 Thank God no one recognizes me anymore. 01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.840 I mean like right after those movies, I I hated it. 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.720 Like I would go in the airports, I I'd get mobbed. 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:22.640 Like people oh, you're the guy that like, oh God, not really. 01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:25.760 You know, but but now I just listen. 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:30.399 I listen to people in the restaurants, I listen to people on the plane, and I listen. 01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:36.319 It's like they're so consumed with the little things in their lives, they aren't looking at the big things that actually matter. 01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:36.880 Right. 01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:47.119 And no one has time because we're all doing this or doom scrolling or they're you know doing this, and they don't have time to reconnect with nature. 01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:49.920 I mean, I make it a point now. 01:28:50.319 --> 01:28:53.359 I literally got into grounding and sunbathing. 01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:57.680 Like I know it sounds weird, but I ground and I sunbathe. 01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:00.079 And I I it's like meditation. 01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.800 I just go out and go for a walk barefooted, you know, in the grass and or in the trails. 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:10.800 And I can feel myself, you know, getting centered back and put putting down my device. 01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:16.399 I'm on it because I have to be on it, but you know, take a walk. 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:17.520 Yeah, just put it down. 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:22.960 Put your devices down, be with your kids, be with your wife, yeah, connect with other people. 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:24.159 Yeah, remember that? 01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:25.119 Remember those days? 01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:25.439 Yeah. 01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:31.359 How about how about I mean we had a barbecue the other day, and I'm like, hey, why don't we play some games? 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.720 You know, like let's play football, you know, let's throw the ball around. 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:35.039 Yeah. 01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:38.720 So the problem is I have a Malinois, and that doesn't last very long. 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:41.920 So you can't throw the football around him. 01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:46.640 But anyway, um, yeah, man, is there anything else you want to talk about? 01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:51.600 So no, I just um I did want to ask one thing and then and then we can wrap up. 01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:52.159 Yeah. 01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:57.840 Uh, you know, uh Operation Paperclip, Operation Bachbird, these things. 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:01.680 Can you just talk about that briefly? 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:08.159 In other words, like you said you have like when you write a script, when there's a script, you have to get permission. 01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:28.720 Well, it depends if you're mentioning like say the D like say the Department of Defense, like you're writing about the Army, or you're writing about spy stuff, or you say like the like the if you're writing about the NSA, you gotta get approval from the NSA to mention whatever you're gonna mention, or or the CIA, or or the DOJ, or the DOD, depending on what it just depends on the script. 01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.039 Like what what what's the storyline? 01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:36.720 They want to see it, and then like in like uh the army has a media liaison. 01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:42.720 Like, so like I was gonna do a movie based on a real story that took place in Afghanistan. 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:55.359 I was gonna direct it, and uh, and so I had to um I had to well once we finished the screenplay, we had to submit it for approval. 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.039 And if it was like, oh no, you can't do that, we don't want you saying this or that. 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:02.720 You can do all but if

you want their support, you can do anything you want. 01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:03.840 Let me let me clarify that. 01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:07.279 Okay, yeah, I was wondering because it sounded like they had control over what you put. 01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:08.640 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:10.159 Let me be clear. 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:29.279 You can make it, you could you can write anything you want to write, but if you want a black hawk in your film, or you want a like you know, cool tank or whatever, if you if the if it's from the army, now if you go, if you have a friend that has a black hawk and you can pay your friend to fly his black hawk, you don't have to do all this. 01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:29.439 Right. 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:37.279 But if you want military support, which is great production value, you gotta you gotta make sure that they're gonna support what it is you're doing. 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:37.920 Gotcha. 01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:38.239 Right? 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:39.920 So to clarify. 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.560 But um but paperclip, mocking. 01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:43.199 Oh, okay. 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:46.880 So well, so most people know about this or they don't know about it. 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:57.119 After World War II, Operation Paperclip was a program that the US government set up to bring over a lot of the Nazi sciences. 01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:58.399 Okay, everybody knows. 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:19.199 I mean, well, a lot of people, um it's funny because I think everybody knows this and has heard this, but they were they weren't just a lot of them went to work for uh NASA, rocket, rocket engineers, rocket scientists, uh JPL, different, different organizations um uh that were you know technologically highly advanced. 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:31.600 They also brought over a lot of Nazi scientists that did human experiments, like like the MK Ultra stuff, where they they were testing how can you program a child? 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:33.680 Can you program people? 01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:38.800 Can you uh train them to do certain things? 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.000 What's the best method? 01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.000 What are you trying to accomplish? 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:48.000 The other thing is from paperclip, they developed the mocking bird media. 01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:58.159 Well, the mockingbird media has probably been around a little longer than that, but the mocking bird media is all of your state-run media. 01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:13.199 Like, and if you remember in in into the light, I talk about, and this is you know, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, MPR, what do those sound like? 01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:15.840 Sound like three-letter agencies. 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:18.159 Yeah. 01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:25.680 Now, they're all competing and they're all have a job to do, but that's how they're set up to run. 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:27.520 They were they're set up to message. 01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:29.199 I mean, think about PBS. 01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:31.520 Everybody watches public broadcast service. 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:38.800 You channel eight, when I was a kid, it was like Sesame Street, you know, what was the other one? 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:40.159 Uh uh Mr. 01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:40.720 Rogers. 01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:41.439 Oh, yeah. 01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:48.079 Uh, all the different uh television shows, like educational shows, you know. 01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:53.760 So that that was all that was that NPR, National Public Radio, you know. 01:33:53.840 --> 01:34:01.840 I mean, and then you got ABC, American Broadcasting Uh Company, uh, NBC, National Broadcasting Company, right? 01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.039 CBS, Columbia Broadcasting System. 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:15.600 I mean, uh if you can't figure that out on your own, then you're not gonna figure anything out because like do the math. 01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:22.079 I mean, it that they're these companies were designed to message for the nation. 01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:28.319 And these men and women that run these companies, depending on who they are, depend on the message that goes out. 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:30.319 And it can be good or bad. 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:33.520 It could you can use the tools, they are the same. 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:35.600 It's the people behind the narratives. 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:40.399 You need these tools, you need to be able to message your population. 01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:51.039 Nowadays, you got you got X and TikTok and Instagram, and that's how people aren't watching ABC, CBS, or MBC. 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:52.479 No one cares. 01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:56.399 The kids today, these guys, they don't watch that stuff. 01:34:57.359 --> 01:34:58.800 They they oh sh. 01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:01.760 Oh, it's yeah, I already saw that. 01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:03.760 All right, all right, I got it. 01:35:04.079 --> 01:35:11.199 You know, so it's a whole different, and with AI coming around, I mean, that's a whole nother Jerry Springer. 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:13.279 We could do a whole show just on AI. 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:14.640 Exactly. 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:22.720 But but the reality is um those those those operations are real. 01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:24.399 And they and they're documented real. 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:25.840 It's not, don't take my word for it. 01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:26.399 Look it up. 01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:28.640 You know, I mean, don't believe me. 01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:31.039 Look it up, go look into it. 01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:32.960 But see, that's where people that's right there. 01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:35.920 They know you're lazy, you're not gonna do it. 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:45.279 Because you're too too distracted by dopamine and all the other hits you get from sitting there scrolling, or you get a phone call, or your buddy calls you, you know? 01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:45.840 Yeah. 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:49.199 Well,

that's why people need to go watch Out of Shadows. 01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:49.680 Yeah. 01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:52.319 Because you did a lot, you did a you did the homework. 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:54.800 Oh, it was took me two years to make that film. 01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:55.439 Wow, yeah. 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.600 But I didn't even know it was funny because when we started out, it was something different. 01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:05.600 And and I and I, I mean, for the record, people someone said to me the other day, oh, you do documentaries. 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:11.199 I go, no, I did major feature films and television shows and commercials. 01:36:11.680 --> 01:36:14.319 The only documentaries I've ever made were those two. 01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:17.119 I never made a documentary before in my life until I made those. 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:19.039 I didn't even know how to make a documentary. 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:20.640 That was God. 01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:22.560 I'm telling you, man. 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:23.439 It was God. 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:25.199 It was like God told me. 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:28.800 And the funniest thing was the second film I did not want to make. 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:33.279 But God said to me, I heard him say it after three years, I went, You gotta make another movie, you gotta make another movie. 01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:34.880 I go, I don't want to make another movie. 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:35.840 Don't want anymore. 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:38.159 I'm I did my job, I'm done. 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:54.560 And woke up one morning and I felt like all I heard God saying was, you need to explain to people how they're manipulated, why they're manipulated, who's manipulated them, and why they cannot see it. 01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:55.359 Wow. 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:57.279 And that was the whole premise. 01:36:57.359 --> 01:37:00.560 And that's when I got General Flynn, Lara Logan, Dr. 01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:07.920 Keith Rose, um, and Brian Gamble, all experts, and Boone Cutler, the late Boone Cutler, I'd like to honor Boone. 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:16.640 Um, you know, PSYOP, explaining PsyOps, explaining the Intel world, explaining how messages are manipulated. 01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:18.640 And it's those are just facts. 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:26.800 There's no politics, there's no left or right, there's nothing in these films that are nothing but just, hey, here's some information. 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:31.600 You may or may not know about it, and it may help you and your family. 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:32.640 Take a look. 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:33.119 Wow. 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:34.880 And that's that was the message. 01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:35.600 Yeah. 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:36.880 That's good, man. 01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:49.840 And I so bringing this home, you know, this is uh you know, praying this podcast reaches a lot of people and gets to hear your testimony, your message, and obviously go watch the documentaries. 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:57.199 But to someone who's listening right now, that I think they sense something's wrong in the culture in our country. 01:37:57.359 --> 01:37:59.520 They can't quite put their finger on it. 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:04.640 And when they do put their finger on it, they might not necessarily know what to do about it. 01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:05.199 Yeah. 01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:08.319 What is your message to those people? 01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:16.479 Well, the first thing that just hit my mind when you said that was I pray for discernment. 01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:21.520 I mean, I and I and I'm not saying that not because not everybody's gonna be a Christian. 01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:23.920 Most people watching this will probably be Christians. 01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:28.560 But a lot of times when I say discernment, educate yourself. 01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:29.840 Look into it. 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:37.520 Because the problem is what's important today, tomorrow, it gets overcome by other events. 01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:38.960 And you have to move on. 01:38:39.039 --> 01:39:04.000 But but to structure yourself and to discipline yourself into um the but see here's the thing, if you're not getting the right the right education, meaning there's so much disinformation and misinformation out there, that's where it gets becomes confusing, even for myself. 01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:06.720 And that's why I say discernment. 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:16.239 That was the first thing that popped in my mind when you asked me that, because I I see things that I and I hear things behind the scenes because you know the world I'm in. 01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:18.720 And I don't know what to believe myself. 01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:21.359 Sometimes I just take a knee and pray. 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:26.399 And I pray for discernment because that's all that God can gift us. 01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:34.880 And if if He will reveal to you what you need to know when you need to know it. 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:36.560 It's never failed me. 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:42.880 Now, I'm not gonna lie, I have prayed for a couple burning bushes. 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:44.720 Like, I need a message. 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:47.840 I need a burning bush, God, I need some tablets. 01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:50.479 I mean, I want you to like write it down for me, you know. 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:54.319 But uh, but yeah, he didn't do that. 01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:58.800 So um, you know, but I just then that means patience. 01:39:58.960 --> 01:39:59.680 Be patient. 01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:03.439 I mean, look at look at the stories in the Bible, how long it took sometimes. 01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.520 I mean, we were talking about the other night. 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.760 Um, 40 years. 01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:09.359 Moses, 40 years. 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:12.159 I mean, oh, it didn't happen in two or three weeks, a month? 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:13.680 Right, go 40 years.

01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:17.920 40 years. 01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:20.159 That's a long time. 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:21.680 Yep. 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:32.640 So, I mean, even Job, I mean, look at like, I mean, these are obviously everybody knows these stories, but I mean you don't, it's not your timeline. 01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:50.960 And a lot of times things that are roadblocks are really there to either protect you or or it's not time yet, which like I keep I keep going back to my injury because I keep going, I I had two ways to look at it. 01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:56.880 I could have been a victim in that situation and just let it, you know, let it all let it all go. 01:40:57.039 --> 01:41:04.479 Like, oh, I'm I got hurt and I'm just gonna limp around and get people feeling sorry for me, or I can be a warrior, I can be a fighter. 01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:05.039 Amen. 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:06.079 You know? 01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:07.279 That's good, man. 01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:08.239 So that's good. 01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:10.000 Well, hey, can I mention one last thing? 01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:11.199 Yeah, absolutely. 01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:28.960 So I am I am about to I've been working on uh the book about my healing, like about when my back was broken, and I started writing this book probably that happened to me in 2014, so that was what 12 years ago. 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:56.159 I I started writing this book six years ago, and I finished it, like I got it 12 chapters, but I had one chapter, and for the last six years, I I couldn't finish this book, and I finally got it finished or got it to where it's close to being finished, and it was about PTSD, and it was about struggling with post-traumatic stress syndrome, and I didn't think that I had that. 01:41:56.640 --> 01:42:01.439 So, anyway, I finally realized that I do kind of have it and I do have to deal with it. 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:21.680 Not not like it's like a psychosis thing, it's like a physical thing, and so this book is gonna be uh coming out in the next hopefully the next year, and uh it's called After They Cut, and it's a double entendre from like when they cut you or After They Cut, right, you know. 01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:31.680 So um, yeah, so the book's gonna be called After They Cut, How I Healed My Shattered Spine and Rebuilt My Life After My Injury. 01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:33.760 So That's Awesome, man. 01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.640 Well, uh when it comes out, you'll have to shoot me a taste. 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:38.319 Uh send me a copy, man. 01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:39.359 Absolutely, absolutely. 01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:40.560 But no, that's awesome, man. 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:45.119 So where um again, can you let our audience know where can people find your work? 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:47.760 Okay, the best place um I'm only on Twitter. 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:50.239 I I mean I'm I'm on Tree Social, but I never post there. 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:51.760 I haven't posted there in

two years. 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:53.439 Um I'm on Twitter. 01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:59.119 I have the most complicated uh name. 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:00.399 Oh, your handle? 01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:00.800 Yeah. 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:02.399 So I'm gonna give you my handle. 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:13.840 It's um it is I'm at Crux C-U-R-X 4150 7251. 01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:18.640 So that was my uh that was my handle before I went public. 01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:27.199 So um, and then if you want to see the movies, that out of shadows is on X, on that account, it's pinned to my account, you can see it. 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:32.479 And then if you want to go to our website, it's just into the light.movie. 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:33.600 That simple. 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:35.359 Into the light.movie. 01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:36.640 And both films are there. 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:42.000 If you click on the website, you can see out of shadows and on the landing page and into the light. 01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:44.800 Out of shadows is you just click on it, you can watch it. 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:57.039 And then if you want to watch into the light, it's 999, and you can watch it, and it's uh it'll help support us, help support our mission, and uh it'd be greatly appreciated if you guys uh if you care enough. 01:43:57.199 --> 01:44:00.479 And they're only an hour, they're like an hour and 15 and an hour and seven. 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:12.159 Yeah, so it's not a lot of time, but I guarantee you the one thing that I've gotten a lot is most people watch the movie and go, I need to watch that again, because there's a lot in there. 01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:13.039 Yes. 01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:16.479 Yeah, I think I've watched each one of them two or three times myself. 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:17.520 I get that a lot. 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:23.279 People, because you miss things because I laired a lot of things in there because it's a lot of information to unpack at one time. 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:24.079 Yeah, absolutely. 01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:25.760 So yeah, well, Mike, thank you, man. 01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:26.640 This has been incredible. 01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:30.479 I am so I am so stoked to come down here and see you. 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.000 I've I've respected what you guys are your mission and what you're doing. 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:37.359 You guys have been supporters, and I just want to support you back. 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:39.279 So thank you for having me. 01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:40.159 Awesome, man. 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:41.439 Well, thank you for being here, brother. 01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:42.079 It's an honor. 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:43.119 All right, man. 01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:50.159 All right, well, now's the part of the show where we take our guest into the red zone. 01:44:50.319 --> 01:45:10.560 And I'm excited about this one because I'm gonna when Mike and I go into the red zone and we start talking, we're gonna start talking about uh the occult, what really goes on in the industry, kind of behind the scenes, and get into spiritual warfare, uh, spiritual warfare components of the industry and what's happening in our culture today. 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:12.079 So I'm excited about this one. 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:18.000 And if you want to join us over on the other side, please go to our Patreon account and subscribe. 01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:24.159 Uh join the Defender Circle today so that you can hear the conversation that we're about to have. 01:45:24.399 --> 01:45:26.399 Alright, Mike, you ready? 01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:27.600 Let's do this. 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.119 Welcome to the Red Zoom.