บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ TENDER HEARTED SINGER SONGWRITER "MUTILATED" WALKING DOG, ATLANTA'S PIEDMONT PARK

which abuts the park where all the rich people go, that coming in secretly that way. Wait, you know what, it doesn't matter, I hope, and I'm going to. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: Choose to believe the best of you. 00:07:31 Speaker 1: Del Carson, former fair with the FBI that you meant she may have encountered an odd person, which obviously she did, because this woman is not odd. 00:07:44 Speaker 11: She is nothing. 00:07:45 Speaker 1: She's creative, she's a singer songwriter, she's in a stable relationship, she's walking her dog. 00:07:51 Speaker 2: She's a dog person. 00:07:52 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, I'm still going to give you a time out. Let me go to doctor Kimdall Crowns while Deal Carson composes himself. Kendall Crowns is joining us, guys. He's the chief medical Examiner Terrant County. That's Fort Worth lecturer of the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Literally thousands somewhere in the range of ten thousand plus autopsies. I want to talk to you, doctor Kendall Crowns, about something very very disturbing. In addition to Katie Jenness being murdered in playing view at the entrance. The entrance that's by a red light where people are walking by of Piedmont Park, that's like Atlanta's Central. 00:08:36 Speaker 2: Park right there. 00:08:38 Speaker 1: Look, I want to talk to you about how her body was mutilated. 00:08:45 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts? 00:08:46 Speaker 9: So, mutilation is often with people who are very upset with the individual, or it's showing as someone who has a mental disease or something along those lines. That be anytime you see mutilation, there's more to the story than just a simple murder. Either the person knew them or the individual had another deep lying problem. Another time we see mutilation is when the individual doesn't die right away, and the perpetrator starts just doing what we call overkill and keeps stabbing and stabbing and stabbing until they die. 00:09:23 Speaker 1: Regarding the mutilation on Katie Genness's body, listen, According. 00:09:29 Speaker 12: To the autopsy report that the coroner published, she was stabbed over fifty times, multiple times in her head and her chest and her torso just over fifty times. There have been some reports that there was a work carved in her chest and it spelled out fat Fat. 00:09:46 Speaker 4: Jens also had the letters F A T carved into her lower chest and into her abdomen. The letters F and A A are essentially to the right of the mid line. As you cross over the mid line you get to the letter T, and these letters are several inches in LinkedIn wid Doctor Kendall Crown's. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: Of course, when you are trying to decipher some words or numbers carved into a victim's body, it's much like the art, not science, art of forensic dentistry. Unless you've got a very very unusual tooth configuration, it's not going to work because it's like biting into jello. 00:10:39 Speaker 2: How can you tell the pattern left in the skin. 00:10:42 Speaker 1: It's movable, much like this but apparently it was decipherable. 00:10:50 Speaker 2: How would that have been achieved? 00:10:55 Speaker 1: How could you cut visible letters into the human body like that and in that location on her body? 00:11:03 Speaker 9: Well, it's cutting the letters, and it's a simple matter of just pushing the knife into the skin and then drawing it across and until you get the the insize wound or the shape that you want, and then going the other way. The letters cut into bodies don't really necessarily look like cursive or well done. They're usually just kind of very just lines, and you can do that easily with a knife. Is just cutting lines in the individual and making simple words. 00:11:34 Speaker 4: Doctor, She's got a lot of injuries over the totality of her torso her face. These are all anterior injuries. They start actually at the forehead. There's even one I think that goes to the very top of the head. They go all the way across the surface of both eyes. The lips are actually in size all the way down to the chin, and there are multiple of these. Missus Janis was actually sliced from that point at the zyphoid all the way down to her pubis, and this injury went so deep that loops of her intestines or bowels were actually hanging out. The pathologists actually noted that there was hemorrhage in the bowel. Her heart was beating. 00:12:21 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns her heart was beating during this, which means she was alive for some of the desecration to her body, the mutilation. For there to be hemorrhaging in the bowel means the blood was circulated. 00:12:39 Speaker 2: It's a bruise. Hemorrhage is a bruise. 00:12:42 Speaker 1: You don't bruise if your heart's not beating because the blood isn't circulating. There was hemorrhage in her bowel, which means her heart was beating, which means she was alive. 00:12:53 Speaker 2: What is the zyphoid. 00:12:56 Speaker 9: The zyphoid is an area of your sternum or your chest plate where it's a little kind of bony projection that's kind of right at the base of your sternum, right at the top of the abdomen. So that description of that wound is basically right at the base of her chest all the way down her abdomen. She has a large, open, sharp force injury that goes through the abdominal wall and then causes the intestines to just come out of her a Donald cavity, so she was essentially eviscerated by that wound to a degree. 00:13:36 Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. 00:13:42 Speaker 14: Catherine Katie Janice took her dog Bowie for a walk in Atlanta's Piedmont Park. Katie went to see her girlfriend, Emma, who was working down the street as a bartender. After leaving the bar, Katie continued her walk. After work, Emma went home that Katie wasn't there. 00:13:58 Speaker 4: She should have been. 00:13:59 Speaker 14: Back from the door walk by then, so Emma started calling Katie's cell phone but did not get an answer, and she said text messages they also

went unanswered. That's when the worry set in and Emma went out to look for Katie. 00:14:12 Speaker 15: Emma Warden as a bartender in a local bar right there at the park. So Katie would walk Bowie to the establishment and they would visit for a few minutes while she was on break, and then while she'd finished walking the dog another twenty or thirty minutes, Emma would finish up her shift and they would meet back home at the same time. 00:14:29 Speaker 1: Joining us an All Star panel to Eric Perry, investigative reporter and anchor at Fox five WAGA, that was their usual routine. I see no reason to deviate from that routine on that particular night, which tells me there was only a thirty minute window in which Katy Jenness was killed. 00:14:55 Speaker 7: Yeah, that was their usual routine, and Katie Jenness was known in that area. I spent days after that homicide talking to people in the area, and they all knew her. 00:15:05 Speaker 8: They all remember seeing her, They knew Bowie the dog. 00:15:08 Speaker 7: In fact, at the memorial you saw just as much dog toys for Bowie then you saw flowers for Katie Jenness. But they were both known there in the area. The girlfriend was known, So this was what they did every day. This was what should have been just an ordinary nightly walk with the dog. Many people walk their dogs because there is a sense of security. 00:15:30 Speaker 8: This is tenthoned Piedmont if you're not familiar. 00:15:33 Speaker 7: For those watching not familiar with Atlanta, this is tenth and Piedmont. This is the midtown area, the heartbeat of the city. 00:15:40 Speaker 8: You have huge festivals. 00:15:42 Speaker 7: So if you don't feel safe anywhere in the city, there is a I guess now a false sense of security that you feel there at Piedmont Park. But every night, this is what they did, and when she didn't hear anything from them. That's when emma'sa She went to the looking for Katie and used her cell phone and the tracking devices in the GPS, and that's when they found her just right there at ten. And there's a high school there as well, was called Grady High School. They changed the name to Midtown High So you have a high school there, you have homes there. There is an open field that's right there where, close to where her body was found, so many people feel safe there, even if it is later in the night. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a neighborhood. 00:16:24 Speaker 1: Back to Dale Carson, former fed with the FBI, now defense lawyer Dale. I have run that Piedmont Park outside circumference a million times, at Grady High School a million times. 00:16:41 Speaker 2: My son has played soccer there a million times. 00:16:46 Speaker 1: This is a family oriented area, although it is in inner city Atlanta. So this out of the blue in a thirty minute time below, that's a very unusual Del Carson. 00:17:03 Speaker 10: It is, and it's close to an entrance, which makes you know, an ambush assault more likely. If she had a

routine, then it's easy to follow someone who has a routine over a period of time. So it's certainly possible that someone set up on her, and clearly your immy is correct. The assault of that nature shows an anger and a frustration that is beyond the level of just a homicide, and so we would be looking for someone who frequented the area, knows this woman and is simply lying in wait for her. I mean, to complete the task of killing someone with a knife, particularly with a violence that was demonstrated against the body, would take a few moments, and certainly that's done in an area that is likely to be exposed to a vehicle, traffic or older people walking in the park. So someone engaging in this activity in my view as a disorganized killer, meaning you know they're mentally not perhaps stable, they are clearly homicidal. 00:18:14 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that that rises to the level of mental instability if you're trying to get toward insanity, because up until right now they managed to outsmart apd with me. Chris mcdonnah, director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective with over three hundred homicide investigations under his belt. I found him on the interview room on YouTube during the Coburger investigation. 00:18:37 Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for being with us. 00:18:38 Speaker 1: I'm hearing what Dale Carson and doctor Kendall Crowns and Eric Perry is saying, I'm about to go to our shrink, doctor Angela Arnold. But Chris mcdonna, of course, the prosecutor doesn't have to show motive ever. But we're saying this is a target attack on Katie Jenness. 00:18:54 Speaker 2: Somebody had to know her, They had to know her routine. 00:18:57 Speaker 1: What about the fact that this is right there at the entrance there are people walking by, including homeless people, including all nature of people that are drawn to inner city Atlanta for various reasons. What if it's someone that just hates women in general. There was no sex attack. This person actually killed her dog, Bowie as well, and they. 00:19:25 Speaker 2: Took the time. They weren't worried about getting caught. 00:19:29 Speaker 1: They took the time to mutilate her body with the letters fat. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: What can we discern from. 00:19:37 Speaker 13: That, Nancy, There's a couple of things that you know are coming through in my mind. One, when she was presented at the autopsy, her under were down at her niche number one. The second, to your point about the park, it shows a familiarity and a comfortable position that the suspect felt that they were in to potentially, you know, blitzcreed the victim here. The fact that the victim had a dog also shows that the suspect was comfortable potentially seeing her in the past. 00:20:14 Speaker 8: But I agree with you. 00:20:17 Speaker 13: That this was a rage that this poor victim experienced with the strikes to the head, multiple strikes to the body, and then she was left out, you know, as if she was just an item,

where after he had experimented by cutting into her skin, potentially by creating those lettering. 00:20:39 Speaker 2: Very very critical point. 00:20:41 Speaker 1: Eric Perry, joining us w AGA investigative reporter and anchor Eric Chris mcdonna said something, well, everything he said was critical, but the fact about her underwear being pulled down, her pants and underwear being pulled down, they were not off, and my knowledge, she was not raped, but the fact that her underwear and pants were pulled down makes the attack somewhat of a sexual nature. Whether the actual rape could be affected or not. 00:21:15 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, many people are drawing their own conclusions. Was this a hate crime? 00:21:19 Speaker 8: Police? 00:21:19 Speaker 7: Atlanta Police coming back saying they don't think it was. And a lot of the details that we're hearing. Atlanta Police shared a lot of this, and I think this is what took frustration to outrage that something like this could happen in that short window of time in such a public place there and made it so uneasy and. 00:21:39 Speaker 1: Oay, no, I don't see it to just go by at this time with a day or night and go, oh, she maybe gay. Let me kill her and her dog? What are they dog hate too? My place was three less than three blocks from that, so trying to connect this to her sex preference, I don't think that's the answer. I don't think that's the answer. But what is the answer. 00:22:07 Speaker 14: Emma used to find my iPhone app on Katie's phone. It showed Katie's phone was about one hundred yards inside Piedmont Park, which was very close to Katie and Emma's home. Emma thought maybe Katie had dropped the phone, so she went into the park to find it. But what she finds is a very gruesome scene. The first thing she saw was Bowie. Bowie was dead. Not too far away, Emma found Katie's body. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us for now medical examiner Terran County fort Worth lecturer, Burnette's School of Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown's I want to analyze because I think this is the key to the case, the fact that the killer mutilated her body with the word fat. That is unlike practically any homicide. I had a lot of stabbings, a lot of dismemberings, but to actually write hate words on the body, to carve them into the body, that's rare. Yes, it's happened before, but it's still rare. I mean, think about it, doctor Crowns. She's out at night walking her dog and the person yanks her pants down, doesn't rape her, but that is a way of humiliating a woman, to leave her to be found that way, and then to carve that fat into her abdomen. Help me think, doctor Crowns, how will this helped me catch the killer? 00:23:44 Speaker 9: So again, I agree it's very odd that they mutilated the body, that it's odd that they wrote words on her. I too, have done a lot of homicides, with stabbings and domestic homicides, I have not actually seen a homicide in which letters were written on the body. I've seen suicides which in an individual cut words into their body, but not homicides. So again, this is an odd case. Obviously they had. 00:24:14 Speaker 4: I still feel a. 00:24:15 Speaker 9: Lot of rage at this time at the situation, to kill her, to kill her dog. There's a lot going on in that scene. And then the removal of the pants. It could be they purposely did that to humiliate her, or alternatively, it could be they dragged her and her pants pulled down as well. Hard to say. 00:24:35 Speaker 1: Joining us in addition to doctor Kendall Crown's is renowned psychiatrist doctor angel Arnold. Joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, this jurisdiction where Katie Jenness was murdered. You can find her at angela Arnold MD dot com Doctor Angie. 00:24:54 Speaker 2: This has a plethora of. 00:24:56 Speaker 1: Clues, but to discern them is a whole another thing. 00:25:00 Speaker 16: Well, I seem to think that we need to break it down there into a couple of options. First of all, like everyone has said to you, Nancy, and you know this as well, the people that the people that live around Piedmont Park feel very safe around Piedmont Park. Okay, we know that she had been to visit her girlfriend at her place of park, her significant other, and then she was simply walking her dog. So to me, I wonder was this a burned other woman that was angry with her and wanted to decimate her body because of some sort of some sort of conflict she had had with her, or was it a random act of violence and she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time at the park. And that's why no one has been able to find this person, because whoever did it, just as easily as you can, you can disappear back into the park. Although I certainly don't understand why there wasn't a blood trail that someone could follow. But I think that if we look at it as just to me, it seemed simple to break it down into the two or three different kinds of people that could have done this to her. It could have been completely random. I don't think whoever did it was completely mentally ill or psychotic at the time. If they were able to carve the word fat onto her, as has been said, to just desecrate her even more. I mean, why does somebody have to carve that onto a woman, right and then pull her And then it's interesting because I wonder if it was another woman who did this to her and pulled her pants down to make it seem like it was a man, that may have done this to her. That's just what I've thought. 00:26:53 Speaker 1: Now, that is a theory. That is a theory I hadn't thought on. 00:27:03 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 00:27:09 Speaker 1: Pat Of doctor Kenmell Crown's chief medical examiner, Terren County Fort Worths, Doctor crowns, if I had heard the word fat was carved into her, I would think that that was an urban myth. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: I wouldn't believe it, But. 00:27:21 Speaker 1: It is in the autopsy report that that is what the physician, the medical

examiner believed, And normally there's an attendee that. 00:27:31 Speaker 2: Would probably have been talking going, yeah, that's what it says. 00:27:35 Speaker 1: That adds a lot of credence to fat being carved into her. Or you've got a doctor that could use a magnifying glass. 00:27:43 Speaker 2: To really look at the words the letters. 00:27:46 Speaker 1: I don't know how big the letters were, but there's no doubt in the autopsy report that is what was carved into her body. 00:27:53 Speaker 9: Yes, from reviewing the autopsy report, and it does appear that it is the letter's fat carved into her body. Again, you know, they're easier letters to do. That's the people that I've seen carved words under their body usually use simple letters. You can't usually carve a G very easily or a D, but F, A and T are easy enough to carve. But it is very unusual. Again, like I just said before that I have not seen that in a homicide. I have seen it in suicides. So I agree with the psychiatrist apologize. I can't remember her name that it's it's very odd, and I think it could be someone that knows her. It could be another woman. It's just the whole thing is very strange. 00:28:38 Speaker 3: I want to operate a seven. 00:28:46 Speaker 5: Preaching to myself at first, All right, yes, man, all the send house for you. 00:29:06 Speaker 3: Where having a part? You're the entrance. 00:29:19 Speaker 6: That's like chilfriend, yes, please, oh my god, your ends, like she said, sad like it's so. 00:29:31 Speaker 3: I love to call radio. 00:29:32 Speaker 2: Okay, the mayor speaking out, did it do any good? 00:29:36 Speaker 17: Listen, you've also seen a murder in our city, the likes of which we have not seen and quite some time there was a horrific murder of Catherine Jonas, the victim who was found at Pete Mont Park. Unfortunately, we still don't have all of the information that we need in her murder to make an arrest. 00:30:05 Speaker 2: Okay, So the mayor finally spoke, but she didn't address this. 00:30:11 Speaker 18: Listen, We'll be releasing still photos assists individuals that were in and around Pemont Park, and what we're hoping is that these individuals will come forward and to let us know and hope that they saw something while in the park. 00:30:29 Speaker 1: Six people on a list joining me, All Star Panel, Eric Perry joining US anchor investigative reporter Waga. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: What about the six people on the list? 00:30:39 Speaker 8: Many people wanted to know who these people were. 00:30:41 Speaker 7: They released the images of some of the people there, and then you asked the question didn't do any good. 00:30:47 Speaker 8: I actually don't know if it did any good for her benefit. 00:30:51 Speaker 2: Well, you're right, Eric Parry. 00:30:53 Speaker 1: And another thing that was not addressed is the surveillance cameras in that part. 00:31:00 Speaker 18: Listen, the evidence is going to dictate where our investigation goes. The cameras are just a tool that usually just helps us and aise us in investigations. But I have some talented men and women or in two twenty six p p. Stree Street that know how to solve crimes without anything other than just the evidence at hand. 00:31:22 Speaker 2: What man is he trying to see? 00:31:25 Speaker 1: Why? 00:31:25 Speaker 2: A right there? Hey, yeah, we can solve this evidence with nothing. He just said that. He just said that, And that is a very poor job of covering up the. 00:31:37 Speaker 1: Fact that they knew, the city knew those cameras did not work. The software was obsolete and had been obsolete. 00:31:48 Speaker 2: For a long time. 00:31:50 Speaker 1: But that was just aoka while they support and pay for every boondoggle they felt like as fat cat politicians instead of taking care of the people in that part. 00:32:02 Speaker 2: What about that? 00:32:03 Speaker 1: And they're still in office. It's amazing, nothing happened to these people. They all still have jobs, they'd gone on to do other things in their career. 00:32:14 Speaker 2: Nothing happened. 00:32:15 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, a security camera was pointed right at the murder spot, but it wasn't working. 00:32:23 Speaker 2: Darn what why didn't hands roll? 00:32:27 Speaker 7: Yeah, And that was a public outcry we saw in the days afterwards when they realized that the cameras weren't working. But many people we see the cameras, so you would assume that they were working, and you'll think that, oh, it's right there, you see it, right there is exactly where all this was. This is where the vigil was, this is where the memorial took place. So when people realized that this wasn't connected to what they call their integral system to where they can save the video. They can go back and review the video, and the video will connect directly to Atlanta nine one one center. 00:32:59 Speaker 8: That is where we saw the outcry. 00:33:01 Speaker 7: It took an additional nine months for that system that was promised when the murder happened to actually be in place, and it was delayed and delayed and delayed to nine months later to when it finally actually happened. So we found that period after the murder where it still wasn't connected to Atlanta police system. 00:33:19 Speaker 2: Question, Eric pearriy, has it been fixed yet? 00:33:25 Speaker 8: It has? 00:33:26 Speaker 7: It has so now they promised that those cameras are integrated, they have the ability to save it. But many people say it's a little bit too late because the worst has already been done. 00:33:37 Speaker 1: Did you actually say they promised? Did you say that, Eric, because I think you did. 00:33:42 Speaker 11: They did? 00:33:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and that and eight dollars at Starbucks will buy you a cup of coffee. Okay, let's move forward with this investigation and try not to pay attention to what politicians are saying. So the girlfriend finds the body while she is out looking

for Katie and she finds it by using to find my iPhone app to Chris mcdunne joining me, homicide detective now founder of the Cold Case Foundation. I found him on his interview The interview room is channel on YouTube. Chris, I got to hear your analysis. Now that you've heard everything we've discussed and. 00:34:21 Speaker 13: Antel, there's a couple of things that I think are important. One, we're coming up on three years here in July, and so I think the authorities need to be aware that those cameras had better be working because there's a high probability the suspect may return to that particular area. The second thing is the phone pings that Emma utilized that night. That was a really smart move, to be honest with you, And when I heard the nine one one call, my first impression was she's in shock. One hundred percent, she's losing her breath. 00:35:00 Speaker 11: She's just just in. 00:35:01 Speaker 13: Total shock with I'm curious as to where the dog was found and then where her body was ultimately found, because if they're separated like that, and then she was being pursued and chased potentially, and that really does put the suspect into another level. To your point earlier, Nancy that this guy just hates women, and potentially she was the target that evening. Maybe randomly, maybe selective. I mean, there's evidence of both, but to keep an open mind at this point, this guy knew what he was doing when he attacked her that evening. 00:35:42 Speaker 1: I agree that it's a man because this degree brutality is rarely saying statistically in women. So now the police are at this point, they're begging for tips, and I can't take it in because there's. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: So much evidence. So there has to be DNA evidence. There has to be, but still nowhere ast a police are begging for evidence. 00:36:09 Speaker 19: Listen, we're also asking if you saw anyone with any unexplained injuries, an intense attraction to this case in the media, a change in appearance, changing hair color, changing any type of facial hair, an absence of school work, come forward, give us a call. There's nothing insignificant that we won't take and there's nothing that we will not follow up on. 00:36:36 Speaker 8: The incident in Pete Mountain Park. 00:36:41 Speaker 20: It was my decision to call upon the FBI after having conversations with Chief Hampton on what we had in the park. This homicide, this murder was outside the norm of what we would typically see. This was so unique that I felt that we needed to collaborate with as many resources as we possibly can, and therefore I ask the chief to get in touch with the FBI immediately. 00:37:09 Speaker 1: Thank heaven Dale Carson joining me, lawyer oid of Jacksonville. Former FBI Dale Carson, you're also a beat cop. Thank goodness. The FBI is called in, but still no arrest. 00:37:22 Speaker 10: Well, they'll use the behavioral science unit to verify and validate a lot of what we've spoken about here on camera. 00:37:30 Speaker 1: Are you serious behavioral science? They're gonna say the same thing they always say, it's a lonely white guy that hates women. 00:37:39 Speaker 2: They always say the same thing. 00:37:41 Speaker 10: Well, it's a little more precise than that. If you look at some of the reports, it'll discuss things like who the individual might have been, the indicators, what brought this about. And for example, we learned that rapists typically follow certain profiles, and their behavior on the street away from the victim can be fairly easily identified based on their behavior, the possessions they have. They have a truck, they drink Budweiser beer, they have a dog. All of those kind of things will help isolate out people who moved around the Piedmont area. But I want to draw your attention back to the fat word that was cut into the body. 00:38:25 Speaker 13: To me, that says that that is the reason for the attack. 00:38:31 Speaker 10: That someone thinks that this poor woman, the deceased here offended them or rejected them because they were fat, and therefore wrote the word on her abdomen. And for what I read in the autopsy report, her genitalia was both her breasts and her vagina were eviscerated, and that's an indication from my perspective that it was a mail attack. 00:39:03 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:39:04 Speaker 1: Agree, guys, take a listen to the APD Deputy Chief Charles Hampton Junior. 00:39:08 Speaker 18: This is a case that rely heavily on biological evidence, heavily on technology evidence, and those things also take time. Some things are out of our control and so we have to wait until things come back. And again, that could be a data coming back from carriers phone carriers. 00:39:32 Speaker 1: Does that mean they're bringing in or did bring in Chris mc don a sting rate to get a data dump of all the cell phones used in that area in that one hour period, because that's what it sounds like to me. 00:39:43 Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy and That information then will be dumped into a program called Gladiator, and they'll be able to, you know, pull a digital footprint of who's around that area. 00:39:55 Speaker 1: Guys, if you know or think you know anything about the murder of this singer songwriter, beloved Katie Jens, please dial four zero four five seven seven tips four zero four five seven seven eight four seven seven. 00:40:18 Speaker 2: We stopped to. 00:40:19 Speaker 1: Remember Euclid, Ohio Police officer Jacob Durbin, just twenty three years old. Jacob Durbin ambushed and shot responding to a disturbance call. A US VET of the Army National Guard, he served in Kuwait, recently engaged. He survived by a grieving fiance, live mother Don Marie, and father Vince American hero Euclid PD Jacob Durbin. I want to thank all of our truly amazing guests, the brain trust that joins us here every night, but especially to you for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,