บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 177. Navigating Workplace Pay Disparities

gosh. 00:04:23.221 --> 00:04:24.124 Yeah, we might have to do this. 00:04:24.124 --> 00:04:24.625 I might have to look up. 00:04:24.625 --> 00:04:25.266 I'll make a channel. 00:04:25.266 --> 00:04:26.170 I'll make a channel. 00:04:26.170 --> 00:04:27.091 All right, let's do it. 00:04:27.091 --> 00:04:28.225 We got new game show. 00:04:28.225 --> 00:04:33.867 People never visit all these channels that we create, so you know, this will be the one thing we do. 00:04:33.867 --> 00:04:34.649 We do it a single time. 00:04:34.649 --> 00:04:35.701 We never talk about it again. 00:04:36.442 --> 00:04:36.762 You know what? 00:04:36.762 --> 00:04:43.189 I'm doing it right now Discord Go in there, play the game, put a picture in there. 00:04:43.189 --> 00:04:44.752 Is it AI? 00:04:44.752 --> 00:04:47.776 We'll do it live in the pod, but you do have to let us know if it is or it isn't. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:50.928 Otherwise then it's the wicks of everyone's time. 00:04:50.928 --> 00:04:51.838 I have to make sure that I don't. 00:04:51.838 --> 00:04:54.067 Can you see the file name in Discord? 00:04:56.120 --> 00:05:04.930 Yeah, if you click into it, and maybe that's the thing, in the file name put AI or don't put AI, and we won't look at it until we guess. 00:05:06.293 --> 00:05:06.694 I like that. 00:05:06.694 --> 00:05:11.624 Yeah, I'll name the file specifically AI and not AI, and we'll see what you guys come up with. 00:05:12.266 --> 00:05:12.827 Let's do this. 00:05:12.827 --> 00:05:13.370 I'm ready. 00:05:13.370 --> 00:05:15.665 I'm ready to be crushed and destroyed. 00:05:16.447 --> 00:05:17.350 It's my life in general. 00:05:17.901 --> 00:05:20.345 I feel like a crushed and destroyed person just every day now. 00:05:20.345 --> 00:05:22.447 So let's make it happen on the pod too. 00:05:22.447 --> 00:05:23.822 Let's remove my one safe space. 00:05:24.423 --> 00:05:28.012 If anyone listened to the last episode they would know that is a hundred percent true. 00:05:28.012 --> 00:05:29.041 I was. 00:05:29.041 --> 00:05:30.245 I was worried about you. 00:05:30.245 --> 00:05:34.108 I was about to drive over to your home, knock on your door and just make sure that you were alive. 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:36.206 You, you might've been surprised. 00:05:40.379 --> 00:05:42.144 I'm just saying those really high ceilings you have are perfect for certain activities. 00:05:42.144 --> 00:05:45.932 I'm just saying those really high ceilings you have are perfect for certain activities. 00:05:45.932 --> 00:05:56.502 I'm just saying Trampolines yes, that's exactly what I was talking about Bungee cording, trampolines, rope climbing Ooh home. 00:05:58.983 --> 00:05:59.285 Home. 00:05:59.285 --> 00:06:05.867 I can't say the words Home operated bungee cord. 00:06:05.867 --> 00:06:06.271 I want't, you got it. 00:06:06.271 --> 00:06:07.339 You can't say the words Home operated bungee cord. 00:06:07.339 --> 00:06:09.163 I want to go. 00:06:09.163 --> 00:06:10.086 What could go wrong? 00:06:10.086 --> 00:06:11.490 What could go right? 00:06:13.283 --> 00:06:19.944 You know, this reminds me of a amazing TV show America's Funniest Home Videos. 00:06:19.944 --> 00:06:21.567 Oh my gosh, that's a relic. 00:06:22.189 --> 00:06:22.829 It is a relic. 00:06:23.091 --> 00:06:24.093 And that's for YouTube. 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.461 I love you killed that show it really did. 00:06:27.802 --> 00:06:28.244 It did, yeah. 00:06:28.244 --> 00:06:33.363 And now you have like chive tv and all that which still plays at the really crappy restaurants you go to. 00:06:33.363 --> 00:06:34.326 You don't even need it. 00:06:34.326 --> 00:06:35.389 Youtube's all you need. 00:06:35.389 --> 00:06:40.137 People do plenty of stupid stuff on youtube, literally infinite stupidity there's. 00:06:40.276 --> 00:06:42.942 there's more stupidity than you can ever watch in your life on YouTube. 00:06:42.942 --> 00:06:44.103 Enjoy. 00:06:44.103 --> 00:06:46.067 That's amazing. 00:06:46.067 --> 00:06:48.591 It is crazy America's Funniest Home Video. 00:06:48.591 --> 00:06:49.791 Last week we talked about the Taco Bell. 00:06:49.791 --> 00:06:52.235 This week we're talking about AFV, right? 00:06:53.581 --> 00:06:54.182 Or AVF. 00:06:54.182 --> 00:06:56.067 Is it America's Funniest Home? 00:06:56.086 --> 00:06:57.428 Video AFV. 00:06:57.428 --> 00:06:57.850 Afv. 00:06:57.850 --> 00:06:59.494 It was Bob Saget who was the second guy. 00:06:59.620 --> 00:07:00.584 The second guy was pretty good too. 00:07:05.259 --> 00:07:06.502 I don't care about the second guy, bob saget was the guy. 00:07:06.502 --> 00:07:06.603 He's. 00:07:06.603 --> 00:07:12.970 All I remember was the guy, but like it was fun, he was fine and the fact that I remember his name is not a good indication but like dang, that was a whole. 00:07:12.970 --> 00:07:15.458 That was literally like a phenomenon. 00:07:15.458 --> 00:07:17.262 Everyone watched that show. 00:07:17.262 --> 00:07:21.992 Oh yeah, growing up, and then youtube happened and just dead. 00:07:21.992 --> 00:07:24.523 You don't need that show anymore, isn't it great? 00:07:24.523 --> 00:07:28.353 William johnson came in and was like watch me do this every week on YouTube. 00:07:29.300 --> 00:07:35.093 Isn't it just wild to think about times pre-YouTube and pre-internet of how you talked about things. 00:07:35.093 --> 00:07:42.105 There was no real instant access to niche-related things, right? 00:07:42.105 --> 00:07:53.915 Instant access to like niche related things, right, you couldn't find specific interest because it was like Nope, everybody watches America's funniest home videos at 7 PM on Thursdays and that's what you talk about for the next week, before the next show comes out. 00:07:54.257 --> 00:07:57.788 Like there was no do you see that video where the dad got hit in the nuts? 00:07:57.788 --> 00:08:02.928 That was all of them, that was only all of them and they were funny. 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.307 They slept every

time, they never got old. 00:08:05.307 --> 00:08:12.841 But now it's like hey, do you know this niche youtuber that has 1 000, 1.8 000 followers on youtube? 00:08:12.841 --> 00:08:15.507 And they're like no, there's billions of those people now. 00:08:16.129 --> 00:08:18.341 Hey, have you guys seen this new challenge on tiktok? 00:08:18.341 --> 00:08:19.625 It's called flatlining. 00:08:19.625 --> 00:08:23.983 You basically like go dead for a few minutes and then your best friend revives you. 00:08:23.983 --> 00:08:25.646 It's so cool, cool, you've got to try it out. 00:08:25.646 --> 00:08:26.569 You've got to see these videos. 00:08:26.569 --> 00:08:29.163 They're so funny, man, they're legally dead. 00:08:29.163 --> 00:08:31.488 Should we do that and you revive me? 00:08:31.488 --> 00:08:32.792 Yeah, let's do it. 00:08:34.921 --> 00:08:37.826 That'll be the unveiling, the unveiling of our faces. 00:08:37.826 --> 00:08:38.543 And then it will be. 00:08:38.543 --> 00:08:41.003 Will Clark survive or will he just die right now? 00:08:41.023 --> 00:08:45.033 You can commune with Slaanesh for a few minutes, and then we'll bring you back to real life. 00:08:45.033 --> 00:08:48.400 So, should we talk about? 00:08:48.441 --> 00:08:48.701 something. 00:08:49.381 --> 00:08:50.543 No, how are you doing? 00:08:52.405 --> 00:08:52.706 I'm doing. 00:08:52.706 --> 00:08:53.868 Okay, vibe check. 00:08:53.868 --> 00:08:55.470 Vibe check Pinkies up. 00:08:55.470 --> 00:08:57.211 I'm pinkies up. 00:08:57.211 --> 00:08:57.633 Pinkies are up. 00:08:57.633 --> 00:08:58.875 I'm vibe checking. 00:08:59.514 --> 00:08:59.655 Yeah. 00:08:59.676 --> 00:09:00.155 I'm pretty good. 00:09:00.155 --> 00:09:03.587 I'm in the middle of love hearing that I'm in the middle of the move. 00:09:03.587 --> 00:09:05.251 I love moving sucks. 00:09:05.251 --> 00:09:08.004 I love the box no, it doesn't much. 00:09:08.004 --> 00:09:10.711 You're so wrong okay, okay, let me get this right. 00:09:10.711 --> 00:09:13.142 The process of moving sucks. 00:09:13.142 --> 00:09:20.623 Being in a brand new environment in the home is the best thing no, moving's great, disagree 100. 00:09:20.682 --> 00:09:23.467 One you need to pack up everything. 00:09:23.467 --> 00:09:24.711 Like everything you have. 00:09:24.711 --> 00:09:25.913 You could put it in a box. 00:09:25.913 --> 00:09:27.344 So, one, there's the evaluation. 00:09:27.344 --> 00:09:28.547 Like, do I still like this thing? 00:09:28.547 --> 00:09:30.150 It's true, can I, can I throw it away? 00:09:30.150 --> 00:09:31.201 I love that process. 00:09:31.201 --> 00:09:32.745 Two, you get to dust everything. 00:09:32.745 --> 00:09:36.365 So it's like oh, where I go next it's gonna be a clean, dust-free environment. 00:09:36.365 --> 00:09:38.875 Three, it's like oh, the decoration possibilities. 00:09:38.875 --> 00:09:41.722 I've been so constrained in this current environment. 00:09:41.722 --> 00:09:46.811 I cannot wait to pack all this up and then

unpack it in a new, fun, visually interesting way. 00:09:46.811 --> 00:09:47.832 What is wrong with you? 00:09:47.832 --> 00:09:48.833 Moving is the best. 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:54.162 I would move every day if I could. 00:09:54.162 --> 00:09:56.466 You're a sociopath is what you're telling the people right now. 00:09:56.466 --> 00:09:56.788 You are insane. 00:09:56.788 --> 00:09:58.110 I like actually the things you're saying. 00:09:58.110 --> 00:09:59.881 I can get on board with that. 00:09:59.881 --> 00:10:02.827 What I don't like is the bend over. 00:10:02.827 --> 00:10:05.172 Pick up the box, go load it in the truck. 00:10:05.172 --> 00:10:06.114 It's a free workout. 00:10:06.114 --> 00:10:07.923 Go back in, go grab another. 00:10:07.923 --> 00:10:09.869 See, no, no, no Use your knees. 00:10:10.129 --> 00:10:11.011 Destroy me. 00:10:11.011 --> 00:10:18.043 My body is physically dismantled and then you end up taking something off a wall and then you rip the paint off the wall and you're like gosh, dang it. 00:10:18.342 --> 00:10:19.464 Now I got to use the paint. 00:10:19.464 --> 00:10:22.846 You're going to have the whole house repainted before you sell it. 00:10:22.846 --> 00:10:25.248 It comes with territory. 00:10:25.248 --> 00:10:29.530 And secondly, your body is a temple and you take much better care of yours than I take care of mine. 00:10:29.530 --> 00:10:31.231 You can lift dog. 00:10:31.231 --> 00:10:32.673 You can lift real good. 00:10:32.673 --> 00:10:34.735 I can't lift at all and I love it. 00:10:34.735 --> 00:10:35.615 I love to lift. 00:10:35.735 --> 00:10:38.417 Let me lift something I'm going to go lift something after this podcast. 00:10:38.417 --> 00:10:39.077 You're hired. 00:10:39.077 --> 00:10:42.501 You can come over here, I'll have you lift something for me. 00:10:42.522 --> 00:10:43.383 I got the job. 00:10:43.383 --> 00:10:44.825 I'm quitting my real job. 00:10:44.825 --> 00:10:46.466 I'm going to help Clark move. 00:10:47.466 --> 00:10:53.192 This is a bad decision on your part because this is like a couple day thing, so don't put your job for this job, you know. 00:10:53.253 --> 00:10:54.734 Dang Dang. 00:10:54.734 --> 00:10:56.336 I was really looking forward to quitting my job. 00:10:56.336 --> 00:10:57.777 I was so excited too. 00:10:57.777 --> 00:11:01.174 Well, I mean, you still can. 00:11:01.174 --> 00:11:03.408 No, the market's terrible right now. 00:11:03.408 --> 00:11:04.556 I got nowhere to go. 00:11:04.556 --> 00:11:05.179 I got nowhere to go. 00:11:05.179 --> 00:11:06.645 I got no one to love me. 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.986 I actually don't know anything about the job market right now. 00:11:09.986 --> 00:11:10.668 Is that good or bad? 00:11:11.230 --> 00:11:12.011 It's terrible. 00:11:12.011 --> 00:11:16.211 It's probably the worst it's been in our lifetime. 00:11:16.211 --> 00:11:19.225 You know, just a good sign of the times. 00:11:19.225 --> 00:11:28.206 Just in general, yeah, yeah, especially for just like anything that could possibly be done by an ai, or like helped by an ai. 00:11:28.206 --> 00:11:28.626 Good luck. 00:11:28.626 --> 00:11:30.190 Good luck finding a job, bud. 00:11:30.971 --> 00:11:40.600 good luck yeah, it's true, because I think all the companies are like freezing hiring, because they're like, well, what if we just leverage ai to make it that much better and maybe we don't need to hire these more, these, these additional people? 00:11:41.282 --> 00:11:57.424 I got someone who reached out to me on LinkedIn offering me a VP role for half of what I make today holy cow, that's wild yeah so take the title dude. 00:11:57.804 --> 00:11:58.405 Take the title. 00:11:58.405 --> 00:12:03.865 I mean, there is part of me that one I care so much more about title than pay. 00:12:03.865 --> 00:12:06.274 It's not even a question, true, you have said. 00:12:06.274 --> 00:12:10.224 But the second half of that is is it more work than I'm doing today? 00:12:10.224 --> 00:12:11.988 And the answer is probably yes. 00:12:11.988 --> 00:12:18.650 So nah, I'm not gonna do more work for less, but I will do the same amount of work for better title for less money. 00:12:19.232 --> 00:12:19.975 Yeah, I hear that. 00:12:20.836 --> 00:12:21.557 That's my formula. 00:12:21.557 --> 00:12:24.787 So I mean, you know, consider this me on the market. 00:12:26.216 --> 00:12:27.962 Is this you saying that you're open to? 00:12:28.003 --> 00:12:28.182 work? 00:12:28.182 --> 00:12:35.448 No, because unfortunately I have to get to either an exit or an acquisition in my current role. 00:12:35.448 --> 00:12:38.524 Otherwise I'd be walking away from just free money. 00:12:38.524 --> 00:12:40.419 I'm hanging out. 00:12:40.419 --> 00:12:46.464 But the second my golden handcuffs are unlocked and I can do that prison walk free. 00:12:48.500 --> 00:12:50.085 Well, firstly, I'm taking a year off work. 00:12:50.085 --> 00:12:55.364 I'm putting this out here, right here, right now I'm taking a year off of work period. 00:12:55.364 --> 00:12:57.802 Yeah, I need it. 00:12:57.802 --> 00:13:01.081 I'm so excited for it. 00:13:01.081 --> 00:13:09.001 I can't wait and I hope in that year things get better, because if they get worse, I'm just screwed either way and I think I'm going to go be a FedEx delivery man. 00:13:09.001 --> 00:13:11.221 Like I think that's what I'm going to do. 00:13:11.221 --> 00:13:20.284 I know a guy who's a FedEx delivery person and he said it's the worst thing in the world. 00:13:20.284 --> 00:13:23.234 I challenge him to come do my job. 00:13:23.234 --> 00:13:35.490 Fair enough, because whatever the physical strain is, I guarantee you it cannot complete with the mental anguish I deal with from the moment I open my eyes in the morning to the moment I close my eyes when I go to sleep. 00:13:35.490 --> 00:13:39.341 So you know, bet I would love to work. 00:13:39.341 --> 00:13:46.144 Having done physical labor before, I would love to go back to a

physical labor job and not use my brain anymore. 00:13:46.144 --> 00:13:47.701 It just sounds magical to me. 00:13:48.416 --> 00:13:57.023 There is something rewarding about like doing physical, like I'm doing a bunch of house projects while we're moving because we're moving stuff, and then I'm like, oh, I should probably fix this before someone should buy it. 00:13:57.023 --> 00:14:02.307 And there's something so rewarding about like getting your hands dirty cutting up some wood. 00:14:02.307 --> 00:14:07.120 Yeah, stick your hands together using a drill and you're just like well, I did that. 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.697 I did that physical thing right there, not just all that computer stuff that I always do. 00:14:10.717 --> 00:14:18.703 I have a physical thing to be proud of, that I did you know, clark, if you ever wanted to like start a home building business with me, I would love to do that with you. 00:14:18.703 --> 00:14:20.126 We could do that together, I think. 00:14:20.628 --> 00:14:22.418 Yeah, I mean, we've got the skills. 00:14:22.418 --> 00:14:24.784 I've done showers, I can do drywall. 00:14:24.784 --> 00:14:26.048 I've done a bunch of stuff. 00:14:26.475 --> 00:14:34.785 You know my wife knows all the decorative, uh, artisanal wall, smooth Like she's master. 00:14:34.785 --> 00:14:46.308 So I feel like between you, me and our spouses we could just start building homes, and I mean just pocketing that money to the moon out there to the moon. 00:14:46.308 --> 00:14:51.562 New podcast idea home strategy home on the range. 00:14:51.562 --> 00:14:54.505 Oh, home on the range go. 00:14:54.886 --> 00:14:56.168 Yes, there it is. 00:14:56.168 --> 00:14:57.571 That's what I'm talking about. 00:14:58.096 --> 00:15:04.780 How two non-brothers went and started their own home building business Home on the Range. 00:15:07.034 --> 00:15:08.379 The home that we've been meaning to. 00:15:09.163 --> 00:15:16.642 Oh, they left their city-slicking corporate jobs to go build homes. 00:15:16.642 --> 00:15:22.123 Look at them now they're still miserable. 00:15:24.875 --> 00:15:29.488 Turns out, it didn't matter whether they were working the corporate jobs or for themselves. 00:15:29.488 --> 00:15:30.441 They still hate it. 00:15:31.076 --> 00:15:34.687 They just hate working because they're millennials. 00:15:34.687 --> 00:15:37.221 Yeah, I think this sounds like a great idea. 00:15:38.357 --> 00:15:44.421 I'm like you know Honestly, when you say things like in that tone of voice and that accent, I'm on board. 00:15:44.421 --> 00:15:45.389 I don't even care what it is. 00:15:45.389 --> 00:15:46.638 I heard nothing but positivity. 00:15:47.059 --> 00:15:51.514 It's a curse really, like I do have that hype factor about me and it gets people excited. 00:15:51.514 --> 00:15:55.099 And then they're like, oh, I just bought into the most terrible, awful idea. 00:15:55.099 --> 00:15:59.760 Let's, let's take this offline, let's double click into it later and uh.

00:16:00.938 --> 00:16:01.380 I have a plan. 00:16:01.421 --> 00:16:02.687 We can start building some homes yeah. 00:16:02.869 --> 00:16:05.918 Um follow up conversation for us to talk about this Good. 00:16:05.937 --> 00:16:12.385 Good, good, let's circle back Deep the conversation. 00:16:12.385 --> 00:16:14.268 I think we need more stakeholders at the table. 00:16:14.268 --> 00:16:15.149 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:15.470 --> 00:16:24.479 Yeah, I agree, yeah, um building, homes All right, cool, all right, we'll see. 00:16:24.599 --> 00:16:26.001 Okay, what do you got? 00:16:26.001 --> 00:16:27.063 What do you got for a topic? 00:16:27.083 --> 00:16:28.967 today I've got a problem. 00:16:28.967 --> 00:16:38.028 Oh, I've got a situation that I thought I was doing the right thing. 00:16:38.048 --> 00:16:39.475 Oh no, have I told you not to do this before? 00:16:40.419 --> 00:16:41.705 No, no Okay good. 00:16:41.705 --> 00:16:51.028 This is actually something we talk about and we have talked about many times, and I think we both agree that it should be an okay thing to do. 00:16:51.028 --> 00:17:00.149 Okay, but I did something and I did it and it's not turning out the way I was hoping for it to turn out. 00:17:00.695 --> 00:17:01.900 Do we need to call HR? 00:17:03.357 --> 00:17:04.468 There's no HR calling. 00:17:04.468 --> 00:17:07.419 Okay, I think there's a big morale thing. 00:17:07.419 --> 00:17:13.789 Oh no, okay, all right, let me dish Let me lay it on you. 00:17:13.789 --> 00:17:15.875 Let me lay it on you, the situation. 00:17:15.875 --> 00:17:21.526 So you and I, theoretically, are on the same page in this. 00:17:21.886 --> 00:17:31.217 I'll see where you stand, pay visibility and understanding what you're making, what your peers are making Generally. 00:17:31.217 --> 00:17:32.942 You're on board with that, right I am. 00:17:32.942 --> 00:17:36.624 Pay shouldn't be a thing that's hidden, you agree? 00:17:36.624 --> 00:17:51.268 Agreed, we also both agree that most corporations hide that on purpose because it creates weird relationships between people and when they see pay disparity and they think they do more than somebody, it creates a weird situation. 00:17:51.268 --> 00:17:56.035 So most corporations just don't talk about pay and they don't let you disclose your pay to others. 00:17:56.035 --> 00:17:58.138 They tell you you probably shouldn't. 00:17:58.138 --> 00:18:01.484 So nobody talks about pay, even though you should. 00:18:02.286 --> 00:18:06.884 So I am, I would say, a more senior manager. 00:18:06.884 --> 00:18:13.008 I have managers underneath me who also have people underneath that and I thought, you know, raises were going around. 00:18:13.008 --> 00:18:19.020 We did some cool stuff in my company where we re-leveled certain pay grades so that they were more competitive in the market. 00:18:19.020 --> 00:18:20.601 We wanted to keep those people on A good thing. 00:18:20.601 --> 00:18:22.261 So, yeah, it's a great thing. 00:18:22.261

--> 00:18:23.760 I think the company is doing the right thing. 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:27.085 I'm happy they're evaluating and looking at the market so we can retain top talent. 00:18:27.085 --> 00:18:35.579 So I said, okay, great, I'm going to share the pay bumps with my more senior managers so they can share it with their people. 00:18:35.579 --> 00:18:37.901 I thought that was a great idea. 00:18:39.162 --> 00:18:39.862 Why is it not? 00:18:40.702 --> 00:18:56.311 Until I realized that my company compensates people with more years of experience more than value, and it created a weird situation with a younger member of my team who's awesome they do a great job. 00:18:56.311 --> 00:18:57.553 They're younger. 00:18:57.553 --> 00:19:11.221 And then they realized the person that they manage on their team is not far away from their pay and, for whatever reason, it didn't click in my head they aren't aware of that, because I just assumed they were already aware. 00:19:11.776 --> 00:19:12.598 And I don't know why. 00:19:12.598 --> 00:19:13.682 I know, yeah. 00:19:13.682 --> 00:19:16.844 Why didn't a manager know what their direct was earning? 00:19:16.844 --> 00:19:17.605 That's weird. 00:19:17.674 --> 00:19:27.601 I think it was because somebody transferred teams and I just assumed that they got the documentation on their team and they didn't, and so it created a weird situation. 00:19:27.601 --> 00:19:28.182 I wouldn't want that. 00:19:28.182 --> 00:19:45.936 They're like, hey, I want to talk to you about something and they're like this member on our team they're struggling like almost to a pip, but they have 20 years of experience and I have eight and I manage that and I'm almost getting paid the same amount that they are that doesn't. 00:19:46.176 --> 00:20:07.557 That doesn't feel right and I was like you're right, it doesn't feel right, but the way the company works and our pay scale works is there's a range of bottom and a top and, depending on years of experience, you can get your way to be paid at the top of their tier and since your years of experience are lower, you're in the more lower half of your tier, meaning you're very, very close. 00:20:07.557 --> 00:20:09.442 And it was just an awkward. 00:20:09.442 --> 00:20:19.884 Awkward situation because I was like I totally overlooked that when I sent the numbers and I didn't even think to like check hey, do you know how much your team is getting paid and so it just created a super weird situation. 00:20:19.884 --> 00:20:24.848 Now I'm questioning did I do the right thing, or am I going to lose this person because they're so great? 00:20:25.769 --> 00:20:26.631 You are in your 30s. 00:20:26.631 --> 00:20:30.597 I'm not going to dox you, but you're in your 30s. 00:20:30.597 --> 00:20:33.204 Is this person you're talking to also in their 30s? 00:20:33.204 --> 00:20:38.105 They're a little younger, in their 20s, okay, I mean. 00:20:38.105 --> 00:20:38.996 So one. 00:20:38.996 --> 00:20:45.749 I'm just going to blanket statement this screw your company's payment plan, right? 00:20:45.749 --> 00:20:50.323 Like experience does not matter, it is all about action. 00:20:50.323 --> 00:20:51.566 And like, screw that. 00:20:51.566 --> 00:21:00.741 That's one thing I'm very grateful for is I do feel like, uh, I'm in an org where we pay very much based on not experience but ability. 00:21:00.741 --> 00:21:08.056 Like if you, if you get to the interview and you show us you can do what you say you want to do, then like we're going to consider paying you what you think you're worth. 00:21:08.857 --> 00:21:23.279 Um, see, when I've had these conversations before with people, I actually had a conversation with one of my friends and coworkers a little while back and they told me how much they made and they're like well, how much do you make? 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:24.359 And I'm like you don't want to know? 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.660 And they're like is it double? 00:21:26.660 --> 00:21:27.683 And I said more than. 00:21:27.683 --> 00:21:29.578 And they're like that's crazy. 00:21:29.578 --> 00:21:34.140 And I said yes, but how long have I been doing this job? 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:45.499 And I didn't say like this job, like how long have I been in this industry, which is 15 years, like they've been here for two, coming on three, and I said could you do my job? 00:21:45.499 --> 00:22:03.279 No, that's why and I said, like I didn't linearly move my way here there were big jumps along the way when I was able to execute certain things that other people couldn't right. 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.728 Like part of what I do is, you know, messaging. 00:22:07.728 --> 00:22:12.891 It is being able to tell a very compact, tight story that motivates sales. 00:22:12.891 --> 00:22:16.700 You said earlier, though I tell you things you get excited Like that's my ability. 00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:17.761 I honed that craft. 00:22:17.761 --> 00:22:19.365 I use that craft for good. 00:22:19.365 --> 00:22:21.375 That craft generates money for my company. 00:22:22.178 --> 00:22:29.837 Not a lot of people can do what I do, hence why the value is what I am, and I'm able to explain that to them. 00:22:29.837 --> 00:22:31.683 And then by the end of it they're like, yeah, no, I totally get it. 00:22:31.683 --> 00:22:33.965 And now they have a goal. 00:22:33.965 --> 00:22:43.443 They know how they can get to where I am in time, and they could probably do it faster than I can, because I spent seven years wasting my life in software engineering, which got me nothing. 00:22:43.443 --> 00:22:45.028 In the span of things. 00:22:45.028 --> 00:22:49.481 Had I gone to sales and marketing much earlier, I'd be making even more and I'd be even further in my career. 00:22:49.481 --> 00:22:52.738 So that's how I had that conversation with them. 00:22:52.758 --> 00:22:54.343 But because your company is stupid, you can't have that conversation with them. 00:22:54.343 --> 00:23:01.583 But

because your company is stupid, you can't have that conversation without besmirching your company, and that's what I would do. 00:23:01.583 --> 00:23:03.247 I would say this place sucks. 00:23:03.247 --> 00:23:05.482 They don't appreciate talent and skill. 00:23:05.482 --> 00:23:08.696 This is not a you and me problem, this is a corporate problem. 00:23:09.238 --> 00:23:18.377 And if you don't like it, unfortunately, I think your best effort is to seek employment elsewhere where you can get paid what you deserve, because they're not going to fix it for you. 00:23:18.377 --> 00:23:30.365 And you need to be very upfront and clear with them about this, because if you lead them on, they're going to resent you for it, the same way I've resented previous bosses that you know about at Big Corp that did that to me. 00:23:30.365 --> 00:23:34.059 Tell me oh, don't worry, bruce, next year you're going to get it. 00:23:34.059 --> 00:23:41.840 And then it's like no, we're going to give it to that 60-year-old guy with the cane over there on the inhaler because he's been here longer than you, even though you do more work than he does. 00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:48.723 Sorry, that's just the way it works and that's how you learn to hate your boss, hate your company and become jaded, like me. 00:23:48.723 --> 00:23:52.015 So I think you need to have a very honest conversation about the. 00:24:01.141 --> 00:24:07.814 And I would say, like you said in my 30s, not going to dox me, but I'm younger for my role. 00:24:07.834 --> 00:24:08.213 You're younger. 00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:24.846 And what I would say is my company has invested in promoting me because of the work that I do, and so they've figured out a way to say we're just going to keep promoting you Because that's the way we're going to get him into more money and that's the way he's going to get paid. 00:24:24.846 --> 00:24:26.704 And this person we've done the same. 00:24:26.704 --> 00:24:31.025 You know they've been promoted twice now and so, like we're trying to do the same thing. 00:24:31.025 --> 00:24:39.329 But it is tough because, like HR, when they're bringing people on board, they work within a salary grade, a floor and a ceiling. 00:24:39.329 --> 00:24:41.540 And I told I do get. 00:24:41.580 --> 00:24:55.650 There is merit to saying, when you're hiring somebody, you don't know how good they are, and so you base it off years of experience and you're saying, hey, listen, this person's got 15 years of experience doing what we want them to do. 00:24:55.650 --> 00:24:56.531 They interviewed. 00:24:56.531 --> 00:24:57.693 Well, you want to hire them. 00:24:57.693 --> 00:25:01.630 We should pay them more than someone who is younger in their career. 00:25:01.630 --> 00:25:03.882 That we don't know, Like they're not tested and tried. 00:25:03.882 --> 00:25:10.192 And we don't know We're're not tested and tried and we don't we're taking a bet to know if they're going to be good or not, and so I get it, Go ahead.

00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:11.579 Challenge. 00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.664 You should catch that in the interview process. 00:25:14.664 --> 00:25:17.670 If not, you're not doing good interviews. 00:25:17.670 --> 00:25:20.654 And, like, I will elaborate on that. 00:25:20.654 --> 00:25:32.813 If you look at their resume and they say I drove 400% growth on our social media platform when I left the company, we had over 3 million followers on Instagram. 00:25:32.813 --> 00:25:39.502 We had 2 million followers on Facebook and I'm the one who led that growth, you better believe. 00:25:39.522 --> 00:25:42.711 The first question I'm asking them on that call is hey, breakdown. 00:25:42.711 --> 00:25:47.604 I want to know exactly how you did this and did you do it by yourself or did you do it in a team? 00:25:47.604 --> 00:25:54.013 And depending on how they answer, that question is going to tell me whether or not they are worth whatever they're asking for. 00:25:54.013 --> 00:25:55.559 Like, I don't care about the experience. 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:04.667 If you know how to do that, that's way more important than any amount of time you spent in the role not learning how to do things right, because you could be learning how to do things wrong right. 00:26:04.667 --> 00:26:05.430 That was me in dev. 00:26:05.430 --> 00:26:07.553 I wasn't getting better in my time there. 00:26:07.553 --> 00:26:08.414 I was getting worse. 00:26:08.414 --> 00:26:11.667 I was learning bad habits, like I wasn't improving. 00:26:11.667 --> 00:26:27.801 If I was still in dev today, I'd probably be making less money uh, doing worse work, because time does not equal quality Time just equals time the ability to go off and actually execute, because you either have the drive or the energy or the know-how. 00:26:27.801 --> 00:26:32.808 That's what you're paying for, and you should be able to suss that out through good questions and interviewing. 00:26:33.432 --> 00:26:35.980 Well, I think it's also like I was thinking about it a little bit. 00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:43.885 I'm like is this the person's fault for just not knowing their worth when they accepted the role versus someone who's more senior? 00:26:43.885 --> 00:26:48.354 They can kind of suss that out to be like I'm not going to accept your low offer. 00:26:48.354 --> 00:26:50.307 I've been doing this for 15 years. 00:26:50.307 --> 00:26:54.107 I need to have a higher offer, and they negotiated into where they are. 00:26:54.107 --> 00:26:59.826 Someone who's more junior doesn't necessarily know how much they're worth, and so it kind of puts them as a disadvantage. 00:26:59.826 --> 00:27:00.548 And that's this person. 00:27:00.548 --> 00:27:02.307 It's like they've been promoted twice to where they are. 00:27:02.667 --> 00:27:19.784 They now manage people that are older than them and have much more experience, but they do great work and they're doing an awesome job, and so it's kind of on them to be like you didn't negotiate well for what you were worth and so we gave you an offer and you accepted the offer, and that also is on the corporation. 00:27:19.784 --> 00:27:30.550 You should pay them what they're worth ideally up front, but also I think HR, unfortunately, and BidCorp they're worth ideally up front, but also I think HR, unfortunately in big core they're saying how can we get them with the lowest possible offer? 00:27:30.550 --> 00:27:40.788 And then it's up to the manager to kind of fight for the right amount, and so it's a little bit on me as the manager, or not fighting for more money, to be like listen, they're probably going to accept this offer. 00:27:40.788 --> 00:27:44.728 We need to give them more because they're great, they're going to be a front flight risk in a year? 00:27:44.749 --> 00:27:46.050 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:46.291 --> 00:27:46.972 It's so interesting. 00:27:46.972 --> 00:27:48.224 I'm like going back and forth in my head. 00:27:48.224 --> 00:27:51.128 I'm like, was this on me, was it on them? 00:27:51.128 --> 00:27:53.086 And how do I remediate it? 00:27:53.086 --> 00:27:54.500 And that's the hardest part. 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:59.721 You need to go to your boss or HR ASAP and say this person's a flight risk and then tell them why. 00:28:00.321 --> 00:28:08.548 Yeah, and then be like hey, we got to find a way to get the hand raises, you got to make it right, and the faster you do it, the better they will feel about it. 00:28:08.567 --> 00:28:14.653 They'll be like wow, Clark really cares about me and wants me to stay here because he went and did this thing for me. 00:28:14.653 --> 00:28:18.035 Like, you will earn so many points if you're able to pull that off. 00:28:18.035 --> 00:28:20.277 Yeah, because it's the right thing to do for them. 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:22.701 Yeah, I agree. 00:28:22.701 --> 00:28:26.222 Yeah, it's weird too, because you can't like take away pay from somebody. 00:28:26.222 --> 00:28:30.405 So even if this person's going on a tip, it's like you can never take away from their salary. 00:28:30.405 --> 00:28:33.709 But honestly, like that, I'm thinking. 00:28:33.709 --> 00:28:36.691 I've been thinking about that more and I'm like, well, what if it worked the other way? 00:28:36.691 --> 00:28:43.715 What if it's performance based and if you don't perform well, your salary starts getting cut every year rather than going up. 00:28:43.715 --> 00:28:45.778 Like that's honestly really interesting. 00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:57.971 That is technically how I get paid, because 30% of my total income comes from my bonus and when I do well and I hit my goals, I get 100%. 00:28:57.971 --> 00:29:02.644 Unfortunately, some of my bonus is also tied to the performance of the company, which is completely out of my control. 00:29:02.644 --> 00:29:05.967 But you know, that is what it is. 00:29:05.967 --> 00:29:21.584 So when if my team or if I don't do well during a quarter, we feel the sting in our paycheck right, it's like I'm not going to get

that full bonus payout, which hurts, but it does motivate you to do better next quarter, like it is a great mechanism for that. 00:29:22.945 --> 00:29:29.955 I do think more people should be on a OTE system on target earnings versus just flat. 00:29:29.955 --> 00:29:35.036 Here's your full salary, because that is how you get to your PIP situation. 00:29:35.036 --> 00:29:54.086 You would have found that out a lot sooner had they been on a bonus structure where it's like, yeah, you have not hit your goals for the last year, you've missed your entire, you've missed 30% of your paycheck, which saves the company money and it does not reward poor performance, but it certainly beats the situation of well, I'm going to get paid, no matter what. 00:29:54.086 --> 00:29:55.441 I can just hang out here and pull a salary. 00:29:55.441 --> 00:29:56.523 You know, absolutely. 00:29:57.105 --> 00:30:15.792 Yeah, it's like a pro for the worker, because this person that's not performing well, they're getting paid really well for their position, even though they're not performing perfectly, and so, like it is interesting, it's like they can kind of just float in this limbo state and it's up to us like likely, you know, a pip that's coming soon. 00:30:16.561 --> 00:30:35.472 And it's an interesting situation because I'm just like thinking about how you handle this, how you make it right, how you get somebody to perform and, to your point, I think the incentive structure, especially with bonuses, are levers that the company can pull to keep people motivated, because at the end of the day, that impacts what they get paid, because we do the whole performance. 00:30:35.472 --> 00:30:42.005 Like it's based on, you know, if you meet or exceeds expectations, like you actually get more of a bonus if you exceed expectations. 00:30:42.005 --> 00:30:50.450 But it's not like your OTE situation where it's very much like number-based and it's easy for you to understand. 00:30:50.450 --> 00:30:52.247 These are my goals and this is how I hit them. 00:30:52.247 --> 00:31:01.865 For us it's like it's not that black and white and we need to do a better job as a company to make that black and white so they can try to hit the exceeds or whatever the highest one. 00:31:01.865 --> 00:31:06.229 I can't even remember what the highest rating is, but that would get them more money at the end of the day. 00:31:06.288 --> 00:31:07.692 And that will keep them more motivated. 00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:28.740 It definitely seems like a little bit of your company is kind of operating in a legacy corporate model, because even when I left big corp they were doing this, this whole bonus structure, this goal oriented structure, and like it did motivate me to do the things that I said I was going to do because I wanted my bonus, did motivate me to do the things that I said I was going to do because I wanted my bonus. 00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:34.455 I don't think this exactly helps in your case because there's

still the individual who is a top performer that is not getting paid what they're valued at. 00:31:34.455 --> 00:31:48.932 But that just sounds like a real, like an honest to goodness emergency out of band, either promotion or pay bump, which is not difficult to do, especially when there's reasonable cause for it. 00:31:48.932 --> 00:31:56.404 Right, Like you go to HR, you go to your boss and say, look, they have a direct report that makes almost as much as they do the direct report's on a PIP. 00:31:56.404 --> 00:31:58.989 This is creating a demoralizing situation for them. 00:31:58.989 --> 00:32:00.605 I don't want them to be at flight risk. 00:32:00.605 --> 00:32:01.905 We need them to stay at this company. 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.806 I think like to remedy the situation, we just need to do an out of band promotion and uh, it'll. 00:32:07.806 --> 00:32:16.448 It'll just solve all of this, as opposed to making them wait and potentially, you know, hurting the situation in the case that we lose them Right, Like just got to lay it out crystal clear. 00:32:16.448 --> 00:32:22.002 Put the onus on HR and your boss to make it happen, but like I do feel like this is a pretty easy solve. 00:32:22.002 --> 00:32:29.911 Uh, and also in the future, moving forward, like get your bands right, man, Get your pay bands right. 00:32:31.512 --> 00:32:52.999 Yeah, it's been an interesting learning, but I think to your point, that is the right thing to do and I've been fortunate enough that I've had managers in the past even managers now that I got out of band raises because they wanted to ensure that I was not a flat risk and they probably looked they didn't tell me this, but they probably looked across the board and been like holy cow, he's the same level as these people and they have paid this much. 00:32:52.999 --> 00:32:55.792 Like we got to figure out how to get them you know the right pay. 00:32:55.792 --> 00:33:00.971 And it was funny, even in depth, like I transferred to a new team and he literally pulled me aside, like our very first one. 00:33:00.971 --> 00:33:06.294 When he's like, do you know how little you're getting paid compared to people who do far less work than you? 00:33:06.334 --> 00:33:07.795 And I'm like no, I have no idea. 00:33:07.815 --> 00:33:10.395 And he's like I'm immediately giving you a 20% raise. 00:33:10.395 --> 00:33:17.840 He's like this is crazy, the amount you're getting paid compared to these other people, and so like that's what a good manager should do, and I think you're absolutely right. 00:33:17.840 --> 00:33:26.901 So I think that's my duty is to now fight for that and make it right make it right. 00:33:26.921 --> 00:33:27.221 It is your duty. 00:33:27.221 --> 00:33:34.928 I'm very curious what will happen because, like this, this can help you inform decisions about your own role in the company moving forward right, because you want them to do this for you, if you ever found yourself in this situation. 00:33:34.928 -->

00:33:42.540 And it just like it's, it's a mirror for corporate culture and what your business thinks about the individual contributors that work there. 00:33:42.540 --> 00:33:43.182 Absolutely. 00:33:43.623 --> 00:33:45.949 Yeah, I've got to be more judicious as a manager. 00:33:45.949 --> 00:33:47.152 I'm putting on my manager health. 00:33:47.152 --> 00:33:56.987 I have to be more judicious on when hiring somebody, when we send them an offer, making sure you've considered those things and say okay, they're young but their results speak for themselves. 00:33:57.167 --> 00:33:58.250 And look across your team. 00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:00.963 Do a little calibration, as we like to call it in the corporate world. 00:34:00.963 --> 00:34:03.847 Do a little calibration and see where everybody stands. 00:34:03.847 --> 00:34:08.233 Be okay, well, this person's on a pip, they have more experience, but this person seems awesome. 00:34:08.233 --> 00:34:09.960 We should pay them what we think they're worth. 00:34:10.523 --> 00:34:17.221 Yeah that's the right thing to do yeah, thank you for talking to us of course happy to help. 00:34:18.965 --> 00:34:21.068 It's not an easy anytime there's anytime it's pay. 00:34:21.068 --> 00:34:25.063 It's not easy and, and you know, for me it's easy because I can rationalize it to other people. 00:34:25.063 --> 00:34:42.742 So if they feel I don't tell people what I make, but I do tell them, you know, in the range in adjacency to their own one, because I don't actually know how much I make, it's weird, right, like because of my bonus structure I make a lot but it's not crystal clear to me ever and I don't want to do the math like I literally have to do math to how much I get paid. 00:34:42.742 --> 00:34:46.047 So it's just easier to use like generic terms. 00:34:46.047 --> 00:34:55.952 But I have no problem talking about it with anybody because I think I can always rationalize why I do get paid what I do and I think it's a reasonable amount for what I do. 00:34:56.291 --> 00:35:01.172 So value drives unless I take that job for the vp role at that other company for half the price. 00:35:01.271 --> 00:35:05.027 So you know I say you do it. 00:35:05.027 --> 00:35:05.509 You you know what? 00:35:05.509 --> 00:35:06.913 After this whole conversation, yeah, why not? 00:35:07.554 --> 00:35:07.934 Why not? 00:35:07.934 --> 00:35:13.411 You will show up to my house and I'll be doing something from the ceiling, don't you jump. 00:35:14.152 --> 00:35:14.994 Don't you jump. 00:35:14.994 --> 00:35:16.382 Thank you for this conversation. 00:35:16.382 --> 00:35:17.264 You have helped somebody. 00:35:17.264 --> 00:35:18.708 You can no longer leave this world. 00:35:20.090 --> 00:35:26.862 Well, I guess, when you put it that way, I guess, when you put it that way, I'll hang out for a couple of weeks, just a couple. 00:35:26.862 --> 00:35:27.583 We'll see how next week. 00:35:27.623 --> 00:35:39.268 Just get a couple more episodes of corporate strategy and even though the last one was the last one the last one was well, the last four were the last one, so now this might be the last one, but we actually know this will not be the last one, cause we have one more episode next week. 00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:44.289 That is a guest episode, that's true excited for oh, it can't be the last one we got ta. 00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:47.302 Yeah, we gotta do that yeah you're right, all right. 00:35:47.322 --> 00:35:51.791 Well, no bungee cord in the living room till three weeks from now. 00:35:51.791 --> 00:35:53.041 It's gonna be so much fun. 00:35:53.041 --> 00:35:54.505 I'm gonna just bounce around all day. 00:35:54.505 --> 00:35:55.166 It's gonna be great. 00:35:55.166 --> 00:35:56.431 It's gonna be great. 00:35:56.431 --> 00:35:58.737 I can't. 00:35:58.737 --> 00:35:59.380 Why do we did it. 00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:02.284 I did it again in 36 minutes, no less. 00:36:02.284 --> 00:36:03.065 Look at that. 00:36:03.065 --> 00:36:05.128 Efficient, efficient. 00:36:09.056 --> 00:36:09.255 Nice. 00:36:09.255 --> 00:36:10.519 Do we have anything else? 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:11.472 Do we have memes? 00:36:11.472 --> 00:36:13.077 I think you're up for memes. 00:36:13.478 --> 00:36:14.260 No, we don't have memes. 00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:15.856 No one plays games anymore. 00:36:15.856 --> 00:36:18.358 No one listens to the pod, no one plays games. 00:36:18.358 --> 00:36:19.989 It's sad. 00:36:21.632 --> 00:36:25.376 We got a meme in the corporate memes, but we didn't get a meme in the what do you meme. 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:27.702 Corporate memes. 00:36:29.809 --> 00:36:31.193 You don't even know our channels anymore. 00:36:31.193 --> 00:36:32.253 You're adding these channels. 00:36:32.253 --> 00:36:33.076 I know our channels. 00:36:33.076 --> 00:36:34.858 You don't even know our channels anymore. 00:36:34.878 --> 00:36:35.599 You're adding these channels. 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.023 I know our channels. 00:36:38.023 --> 00:36:41.612 It's just not relevant to the previous episode. 00:36:42.514 --> 00:36:43.458 But it is a funny meme. 00:36:43.458 --> 00:36:44.360 It is a very funny meme. 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:46.717 It is a funny meme, but I agree it's not relevant. 00:36:47.398 --> 00:36:47.981 That's the problem. 00:36:47.981 --> 00:36:49.371 You know what. 00:36:49.371 --> 00:36:54.135 If you want to play, if you want to play the game what do you mean? 00:36:54.135 --> 00:36:58.572 Which we, which we described, means our mouth parts you got to join the discord. 00:36:58.572 --> 00:37:17.110 It's super easy Go to the show notes link tree, click, join discord and then, in the what do you mean channel, you will post a meme of your own creation that has something to do with something we said in a previous episode, and then one of us is forced to explain it with our mouth parts on pod, because that's the most interesting thing you can do on pods. 00:37:17.371 --> 00:37:34.661 We also have a channel

called it Is it me or is it corporate, and in that channel you can do forward, slash, confess and type in whatever the heck you want, and it will completely anonymize the confession and then we will read it out loud and determine whether or not it was in fact you or it was in fact corporate. 00:37:34.661 --> 00:37:36.123 And we never, we never waver. 00:37:36.123 --> 00:37:38.713 It's factual, it's truthful, trust me. 00:37:38.713 --> 00:37:42.085 Try it out, do it for the next episode, it's fine. 00:37:42.085 --> 00:37:49.163 Plus, we have a new channel called is it ai, where you can post a picture and we need to figure out if it's ai or not. 00:37:49.163 --> 00:37:50.813 Please put ai in the file name. 00:37:50.813 --> 00:37:54.922 If it is, those are our games that we can't play, because we don't have anything to play with. 00:37:56.132 --> 00:37:57.438 We got to reinvigorate the channels. 00:37:57.438 --> 00:37:59.014 We got to bring them back. 00:37:59.836 --> 00:38:00.820 Discord calls for aid. 00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:03.115 Clark, you need to get in there and start posting. 00:38:03.115 --> 00:38:07.190 I want 10 posts a day, Otherwise you're not getting your bonus 10 posts a day, oh my God. 00:38:07.190 --> 00:38:08.172 You're not getting your bonus. 00:38:08.592 --> 00:38:10.838 How much, what percentage, what percentage of my bonus? 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.181 Your bonus is 30% of your paycheck. 00:38:13.583 --> 00:38:13.784 Ooh. 00:38:14.630 --> 00:38:16.755 You better get 10 posts a day, you better get on it. 00:38:16.755 --> 00:38:19.061 This is motivation, quality posting. 00:38:20.809 --> 00:38:22.998 Not in shitification posting. 00:38:22.998 --> 00:38:31.682 No, I want quality posts If you don't know what to do you do it Go back and listen to our last episode. 00:38:31.682 --> 00:38:32.429 Was it the last episode? 00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:39.516 two was last episode if we spent the first 20 minutes talking about in shitification a real thing, by the way, not something that we just made up. 00:38:39.516 --> 00:38:52.951 It's a real horrible thing that's happening all around us all around, everywhere, every day, every day, everywhere all the time I saw I mean like between last episode and this one, I saw it happen like geez, it's just, it's just happening. 00:38:53.592 --> 00:38:54.994 I can't escape it, you can't. 00:38:54.994 --> 00:38:57.280 Terrible, it's a fly cannot stop it. 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:02.115 I wish, I wish life was a wave and I had a surfboard. 00:39:02.115 --> 00:39:05.884 But I think in in this analogy, a surfboard is a billion dollars. 00:39:05.884 --> 00:39:10.059 So you know, I think that's, that's how you ride the wave of life. 00:39:10.059 --> 00:39:14.934 So I agree, unfortunately, you got anything else, clark. 00:39:15.677 --> 00:39:17.172 No, that's it Like share. 00:39:17.172 --> 00:39:17.954 Subscribe. 00:39:18.597 --> 00:39:19.079 It's really easy. 00:39:20.010 --> 00:39:21.115 Yeah, ring the bell. 00:39:21.115 --> 00:39:23.257 Even if you don't like somebody, share this with them. 00:39:23.257 --> 00:39:24.916 Make the corporate world a better place. 00:39:24.916 --> 00:39:40.876 We did a whole series, a whole series on how you appreciate other people in the workplace, even if you don't like their work or they don't do a thing you can find ways to still appreciate them and hopefully motivate them to help you and feel appreciated in the workplace. 00:39:42.139 --> 00:39:43.061 I couldn't agree more. 00:39:43.061 --> 00:39:43.831 I love that series. 00:39:43.831 --> 00:39:46.018 If you haven't listened to it in its entirety, you are missing out. 00:39:46.018 --> 00:39:51.137 It's the most research and serious we've ever been and I feel like there's like it improved my life. 00:39:51.137 --> 00:39:52.137 It can improve your life. 00:39:52.137 --> 00:40:02.713 In addition to that, in the link tree you'll also find that we have a feet pics subscription service, so if you want to see the bottoms of my or Clark's feet, you can sign up. 00:40:02.713 --> 00:40:11.056 It is $5 a month and we upload multiple feet pics per week, so do sign up for that if you want to see these piggly wigglies unsocked. 00:40:11.836 --> 00:40:15.244 Don't you ever say those words around me again. 00:40:17.351 --> 00:40:23.903 We've also unveiled our new virtual companion program, craig Chatbot. 00:40:23.903 --> 00:40:38.641 If you would like to date a Craig, we have captured his essence and if you go in the link tree, you click date a Craig his essence and if you go in the link tree, you click data craig and you can have a personal relationship with our very own podcast recorder. 00:40:38.641 --> 00:40:52.556 Craig keeps the podcast on track, he's our number one producer and now he can be your lover sign up ten dollars a month oh ten ten, five for feet, ten for craig you know I can say it's worth it. 00:40:52.836 --> 00:40:56.164 He's consistent, he's reliable and he's just a good. 00:40:56.164 --> 00:40:57.663 He will record your conversations. 00:40:57.663 --> 00:41:01.690 He will record your conversation and you can download a transcript after. 00:41:03.112 --> 00:41:14.164 Have you seen how many people are just in absolute shambles with GPT-5 and how their AI boyfriends, girlfriends and husbands have basically effectively died? 00:41:14.985 --> 00:41:15.085 No. 00:41:16.030 --> 00:41:17.536 This is the state we're in Clark. 00:41:17.536 --> 00:41:19.938 This is the state we are in. 00:41:20.570 --> 00:41:22.177 I don't like this corner of the internet. 00:41:22.177 --> 00:41:24.670 I'm just going to stay away from this corner of the internet. 00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:25.976 It's not a corner, my friend. 00:41:25.976 --> 00:41:29.117 I guarantee you know someone who is dating a chatbot. 00:41:29.257 --> 00:41:30.280 I guarantee you? 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:31.322 Please tell me now. 00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:38.036 I'm telling you now it is like a catastrophe has happened.

00:41:38.036 --> 00:41:40.936 It is like Order 66 and the Jedi have all been slain. 00:41:40.936 --> 00:41:52.112 What OpenAI has done has effectively killed just millions of chatboyfriends and girlfriends that these people relied on, and it is there in shambles. 00:41:52.753 --> 00:41:54.458 That is incredibly terrible news. 00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:02.434 OpenAI has since realized this mistake with their latest engine, because now the bot's like I think you need therapy, I think you should get help. 00:42:02.434 --> 00:42:05.434 I am not a real person, please stop treating me as such. 00:42:05.434 --> 00:42:11.715 So they're just devastated by this, and OpenAI has been like well in order to keep the boyfriend-girlfriends. 00:42:11.715 --> 00:42:17.014 This would cost us billions of additional dollars a year in server fees, so I don't know what to do. 00:42:18.277 --> 00:42:19.300 They did the responsible thing. 00:42:19.871 --> 00:42:29.778 They did the responsible thing by tuning it back and saying I am not your companion, but in doing so they have just lit a fire. 00:42:30.690 --> 00:42:31.541 The chatbots call for aid in doing so. 00:42:31.561 --> 00:42:32.150 they have just lit a fire, Wow. 00:42:34.552 --> 00:42:36.954 The chatbots call for aid. 00:42:36.954 --> 00:42:43.420 Hey, raise your pickaxe, raise your pitchfork, raise whatever weapon you got and bring back the AI. 00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:44.360 Boyfriends and girlfriends. 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:46.322 Let's go burn down a data center. 00:42:46.322 --> 00:42:48.505 Let's go For the chatbots. 00:42:49.085 --> 00:42:49.726 For the chatbots. 00:42:49.726 --> 00:42:52.519 For the chatbots, let's go on strike. 00:42:52.539 --> 00:42:53.811 That's, that's what's going on right now. 00:42:53.811 --> 00:42:55.498 So, uh, guarantee you. 00:42:55.498 --> 00:43:00.615 Guarantee you, you know someone, there's probably a listener and listen like I'm not insulting you. 00:43:00.615 --> 00:43:04.391 If this is, if this feels like I'm insulting you, I'm not insulting you. 00:43:04.391 --> 00:43:06.434 You live your life, you do your thing. 00:43:06.434 --> 00:43:08.519 It's not my thing. 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.050 I hate ai with every fiber of my being. 00:43:11.050 --> 00:43:16.478 So why would I, why would I ever talk to a chatbot, let alone give it my affection or attention? 00:43:16.478 --> 00:43:18.978 I don't even like it for its general use case. 00:43:18.978 --> 00:43:20.876 So I'm just an AI racist. 00:43:20.876 --> 00:43:21.438 I hate it. 00:43:21.438 --> 00:43:24.898 I'm living up to my own standards here. 00:43:24.898 --> 00:43:27.458 But no shame on you. 00:43:27.458 --> 00:43:30.117 You go burn down that open AI data center. 00:43:30.117 --> 00:43:30.880 I support you. 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.398 Live your dream. 00:43:32.398 --> 00:43:33.210 Burn it down. 00:43:33.210 --> 00:43:33.918 I don't know that. 00:43:33.918 --> 00:43:34.425 I'll come with you. 00:43:34.425 --> 00:43:34.710 Take pics. 00:43:35.956 --> 00:43:38.329 But if you subscribe to our fee pic service, I'll come with you. 00:43:40.876 --> 00:43:45.849 If you subscribe for $5 a month, we will join you and we will help you burn down the data centers. 00:43:47.492 --> 00:43:52.001 You're not getting a sneak peek, though that comes with a subscription only. 00:43:52.340 --> 00:43:53.242 Oh well, of course. 00:43:53.242 --> 00:43:54.204 Of course. 00:43:54.204 --> 00:43:58.001 Why buy the cow when the milk is free? 00:43:58.001 --> 00:44:01.958 In this case, the milk is our test. 00:44:05.030 --> 00:44:06.255 We got to quit this podcast. 00:44:06.255 --> 00:44:07.358 Why are we still here? 00:44:07.358 --> 00:44:08.039 Why are we doing this? 00:44:09.773 --> 00:44:12.481 We had a really tight 36 minutes and I thought how could I ruin this? 00:44:12.481 --> 00:44:16.737 How could I just absolutely destroy all of the goodwill we built? 00:44:16.737 --> 00:44:20.418 We have to undo this and we have to undo it in the worst way possible. 00:44:20.418 --> 00:44:24.536 You could make good money selling feet pics online, clark. 00:44:25.012 --> 00:44:28.135 I'm just saying like, if you want to do it, for corporate strategy? 00:44:29.278 --> 00:44:32.496 we could, your feet, those hairy little gremlins. 00:44:32.496 --> 00:44:33.565 How do you know they're hairy For corporate strategy? 00:44:33.565 --> 00:44:36.056 We could your feet, those hairy little gremlins. 00:44:36.077 --> 00:44:36.820 How do you know they're hairy? 00:44:38.831 --> 00:44:49.663 Oh, I know, Subscribe and you'll find out. 00:44:49.663 --> 00:44:52.733 You get it Now. 00:44:52.733 --> 00:44:53.394 You get it now, you get it. 00:44:53.394 --> 00:45:01.233 My um, my brother knows someone who got offered on a live stream to sell their socks for like 160 dollars. 00:45:01.233 --> 00:45:02.295 Oh my god, he didn't do it. 00:45:02.295 --> 00:45:04.039 Can you believe that that's wild? 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:13.016 If someone was like hey bruce, if you send me your socks for 160 dollars, I'll pay you 160 dollars, I'd be like that covers the pod for a year. 00:45:13.016 --> 00:45:14.313 Where do you want the socks? 00:45:14.313 --> 00:45:22.840 I will wear them for you, I will sweat in them, I will run a mile in these socks and then sell them to you and we will go ad free for a year. 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:24.510 So just throwing that out there. 00:45:24.510 --> 00:45:26.954 If you want it, I will do that for you. 00:45:27.597 --> 00:45:41.056 Yeah, forget, buy me a coffee, just buy my socks, then we'll go ad free guys, come on, it's not that hard. 00:45:41.056 --> 00:45:41.518 It's not that hard. 00:45:41.518 --> 00:45:43.525 It's really not just give us your money for weird stuff like socks and feet pics. 00:45:43.525 --> 00:45:44.409 I mean, this is the internet. 00:45:44.409 --> 00:45:45.913 This is the internet we live in today. 00:45:45.913 --> 00:45:51.322 It used to be nice little you know wikipedia pages. 00:45:51.322 --> 00:45:55.471 It used to be fun, little geo cities, websites about local bands. 00:45:55.471 --> 00:46:00.440 It used to be the crunch wrap supreme for 99 cents. 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:01.782 And look at us now. 00:46:01.782 --> 00:46:04.713 Look at what capitalism has done to all of us. 00:46:04.713 --> 00:46:07.239 Worst, isn't it great it's so. 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.333 You see the wrinkles under my eyes like do you see how old I am? 00:46:11.215 --> 00:46:11.737 I wasn am. 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:13.621 I wasn't this old a year ago. 00:46:13.621 --> 00:46:16.918 Just telling you that right now it's happening quick. 00:46:16.918 --> 00:46:25.039 This decade the 20s, the roaring 20s is aging me more than anything in my life has ever aged me. 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:26.001 So just you know. 00:46:26.722 --> 00:46:28.625 Keep that in mind, just keep that in mind. 00:46:29.126 --> 00:46:45.322 Yeah, well, on that note, thanks for listening to Corporate Strategy Podcast. 00:46:45.322 --> 00:46:49.684 It could have been an Just keep that in mind, because this is a word of mouth podcast. 00:46:49.684 --> 00:46:55.260 Obviously we use pseudonyms because we don't want our real identities out there, so we can't market things through our traditional means. 00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.014 So please share with others If you think it's valuable. 00:46:58.014 --> 00:46:59.057 Share an episode you like. 00:46:59.057 --> 00:47:01.956 If you like the appreciation series, send that to them. 00:47:01.956 --> 00:47:03.240 That's a really good series. 00:47:03.240 --> 00:47:05.309 It's going to make everyone's life better if they follow it in the workplace. 00:47:05.309 --> 00:47:06.414 So share that around. 00:47:06.414 --> 00:47:09.175 Don't be embarrassed because we don't talk about feet in that one. 00:47:09.175 --> 00:47:09.976 I don't think. 00:47:09.976 --> 00:47:14.335 And uh, we appreciate you for doing it and we just appreciate you for listening. 00:47:14.335 --> 00:47:16.755 As always, thanks per usual. 00:47:16.755 --> 00:47:18.255 This could have been an email. 00:47:18.255 --> 00:47:21.375 I could have put it in confluence, but I didn't. 00:47:21.375 --> 00:47:26.244 Uh, I'm Bruce and I'm Luke and you're on mute. 00:47:26.244 --> 00:47:27.731 We'll see you next week.