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Speaker 1: Giannis Antetokounmpo responded to his former head coach, Doc Rivers, comments about his game being hard to coach. Let's listen to what Greek Freak had to say.
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Speaker 2: What does it kind of feel like to hear that from Doc, from your old coach?
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Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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Speaker 4: First of all, he's not my coach. My coach is Coach Poe. But he's a guy that I've worked with in the past.
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Speaker 3: Speechless. He made those comments, man, today?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple days ago.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to go.
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Speaker 4: You have his number, right?
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Speaker 3: You do. I know you do.
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Speaker 4: You got to go ask him, you know, why he thought that.
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Speaker 3: Like, that's on him. That's not on me.
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Speaker 4: I just got to focus on my team and, you know, what I got to do and how I can be better and how I can help the team.
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Speaker 3: But, like, God, yeah.
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Speaker 4: That's crazy. Never let bitterness or pettiness get in front of your goals and dreams. For every athlete out there, never let that.
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Speaker 3: That's insane. Hey, listen.
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Speaker 1: Joe, what do you think the possibility... Doc said this last week. What do you think the possibility of... Y'all just had no idea Doc had said this. No, I think he definitely knew.
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Speaker 3: Of course he did.
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Speaker 6: How to answer it is probably tough because he probably didn't want to go back at Doc or make it seem like we had this back and forth energy. But for me, Ocho, I don't think they had the best relationship.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I really don't. I don't think they had the best relationship. I agree.
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Speaker 6: And I think due to that, it's probably why they could never get the best out of Giannis or... get him to continue to play. You know what I mean? I really do feel that way. It's unfortunate, though, because I don't know what Doc was thinking saying that about him and then thinking that the man wasn't going to respond. It's more than a backlash.
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Speaker 1: Or thinking there wouldn't be ramifications. That's one of the best players in the NBA.
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Speaker 3: Thanks.
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Speaker 1: You said he plays hard, but he didn't have the best basketball IQ. You're saying that he's hard to coach because all he does is.
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Speaker 2: Force, force, force, force.
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Speaker 1: And we get it. We see his game. That's the way he plays. And most great players are hard to coach. And that was my argument. I know John was hard to coach. I know Peyton. I know great players are hard to coach because they want answers. And they want to be great. And they want to stay great. Now, how can you help me do that? And if you can't, you're going to lose them.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 6: Because guys like Giannis, who are great, they want to do it their way. Because they know, like Giannis know it ain't nobody in the league who can stop him, bro. So the force that he plays with, you know, that's his superpower.
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Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying? Like you can't stay in front of that, bro.
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm going to get into the teeth of the defense and I'm going to always have.
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Speaker 3: My dunks, my layups, my euros.
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Speaker 6: But also, I'm going to draw so much attention to where I can make these guys around me better. I think that's basically what Doc was hitting on. He's like, look, we know you can go out there and get 35, 40 at night, but can you make these other guys around you better versus always being demonstrative and trying to score every time?
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I think that's what Doc was trying to say. But for whatever reason, yeah. Thank you.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Joe, you want, I mean, Giannis is who he is now at this point.
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Speaker 1: In his career.
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Speaker 3: Of course, he ain't gonna change, Ocho. His game is his game, bro. He can't change. Yeah. I mean.
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Speaker 1: What he gonna change? Ocho, what he gonna develop? A three-point shot? He gonna play with his back to the basket?
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Speaker 5: Maybe, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant fade away to one leg. That ain't what he is. He's a guy that plays with the force, getting downhill.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. And he a dog at it, too.
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Speaker 1: It'll be like trying to take Derrick Henry and turn him into a B. John Robinson or Jameer Gibbs. That ain't what he is.
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Speaker 3: Nah. He's a power back.
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Speaker 1: When he got to Baltimore, I said, Ocho, they used him wrong.
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Speaker 3: I said, they got this man in the offset eye. He ain't that back. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Put his heels at nine yards, hand it to him, or toss it to him.
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Speaker 3: 1,900 yards later, Ocho, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Gibbs, guys that are quick hitting the hole, a Bijon, a Jameer Gibbs, Saquon, you can play up like that. But Derrick Henry is a long strider. A long strider, excuse me. But I'm just trying to chat. Y'all need to help me understand what any player that offers a harsh critique that many would deem negative.
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Speaker 3: How does he think it's going to be received? Negative? I don't know, man. I don't know.
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Speaker 6: But he had to know there was going to be some ramifications behind this. You know, a guy going to say something, bro. It's too many soundbites nowadays. When you get interviewed, they going to play that one little soundbite that they know going to get ran and people going to pick up on.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. They ain't going to miss it. They ain't going to miss it. But, Joe, you know this.
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Speaker 1: If you tell a player that their IQ, you're questioning their basketball acumen or their football acumen.
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Speaker 3: Acumen, excuse me. Yeah. How do you think that's going to be
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received, Joe? I don't know.
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Speaker 6: I don't want to say Doc wasn't thinking about that because I know he was, but I'm not sure.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: But look, everybody ain't going to have Magic Johnson. Everybody ain't going to have LeBron. Just like everybody ain't going to have Brady or Manning or one of those.
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Speaker 3: It's okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just because you're not at the very, very top. Just because I'm not Einstein, that don't mean I'm a dummy.
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Speaker 3: Facts. I mean, it's like you got to be here. If you're not here, you're here. Yeah. I can't get anything in between. Like, well, damn, hey.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I might not be the guy to take your vacation, but we're going to go.
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Speaker 3: To a nice dinner. Hello. I'm going to get you flowers. Hello. Lucky you didn't get that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Joe, they've been getting over.
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Speaker 3: On us for a minute. I'm like, look, and some of the things.
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Speaker 7: I know my baby Watson.
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Speaker 1: It's reported that Giannis' representatives have reached out to the organization and said they weren't going to resign. And it would be best if, you know, you move Giannis and get conversation for him. I said this. All I said was Giannis doesn't want to be the bad guy. So he wants to pretend like it's his agent. Bro, the agent works at your behest.
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Speaker 3: Oh, my wife, whatever. Bro, your wife ain't picking. She might pick. You ain't let your wife make that decision. And I get it.
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Speaker 5: It's okay.
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Speaker 1: But Giannis is always looked at as the good guy. Because a lot of these other superstars, other than you know, the MVPs, he's the only, I mean, he, Jokic and Steph are really the only ones that stayed.
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Speaker 3: Russ moved. LeBron moved. KD moved. James Harden moved. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: James Harden's moved multiple times. And Bede.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So he's like, man, and I heard what they said about LeBron. I heard about what they said about Harden. I heard what they said about KD. I see how they treat Russ. Man, I don't want none of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to be cute and cuddly.
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Speaker 1: I want people to talk about me and never say anything bad about me. Like Steph. Like Jokic. What's the best way? I don't want to leave. I want to be here all the while. Y'all better trade me.
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Speaker 3: I won't for nothing.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 3: Y'all understand, I don't bother nobody. I play hard. I play hard every night.
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Speaker 1: And unless I'm really, really injured, I'm going to be in there.
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Speaker 3: And this is what I get. This is what I get. This is what I get. But I didn't understand the move to Doc.
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Speaker 1: Adrian Griffin had him 45 and 13, Joe.
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Speaker 3: Well, damn, how much better did you want? Did
you want him to be 58? No, at that point?
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Speaker 6: Hey, when you at that point and you got a record like that, hey, man, that's internal. It's something internally that is either players are disgruntled about the coaching situation. Okay, Ocho, because ain't no way you could be 18-5, 18-6, and you get rid of the head.
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Speaker 3: That don't happen, bro. No, Joe, that was like 45 and something. 45 and something?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I know they had a hell of a record. They were like at the top of the East, yeah. Ocho, Joe, okay. They had J.
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Speaker 5: Kidd.
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Speaker 1: They got rid of Kidd. They had Mike Boone Hoser, who won a championship. They got rid of him. They had Adrian Griffin. that had, I think he was like 20 games over 500. They got rid of him. They bring in Doc midway through the season. Who you think they're doing all these moves for, Joe?
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Speaker 3: Come on, man.
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Speaker 6: You know who they're doing them for. They're trying to keep them around. We got to do what we can to keep them happy, man. Ain't none of that made that man happy. We had all your brothers on the damn team, huh?
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Speaker 3: We had every Antetokounmpo that's out there on the team. Huh? What are we talking about? What are we talking about? I did everything I could.
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Speaker 6: It don't make Giannis no bad brother, bro. Sometimes, you know, you're going to have to ruffle some feathers.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he wanted to take the high road, though, aren't you, Joe? You know, he's not used to being the villain.
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Speaker 8: You know, some players, you know, they embrace, you know, being the villain and knowing, listen, this is what I got to do. It's going to rub some people the wrong way, but I'm willing.
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Speaker 5: To deal with that. He's not that.
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Speaker 8: He's always been on the good side of fans, and he wanted to stay there.
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Speaker 3: So I respect it. It took a hit.
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Speaker 1: Prior to this, when Miles Turner said what he said, people, that's the thing when people say things. Because no matter what they say, no matter how untrue it is, somebody's going to believe some of it.
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Speaker 5: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Right. Yep. That's what I say all the time, is.
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Speaker 1: That you in the courtroom, and one lawyer was saying something, and the other lawyer says, objection. And the judge says, sustain. How do I make the jury unhear what they heard, Joe and Ocho? How do you make me unhear? what Miles Turner said, that the man blew off meetings, that the man had the plane waiting hours.
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Speaker 3: How do I unhear what he said, Joe? You can't, bro. How do I unhear what Doc said about this man? You can't.
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Speaker 5: Hey, he must have said he's never going to vote again.
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Speaker 6: No, I think he done. He done had a few different stops since the Boston. since he won a championship with Boston. And I think this was his last stint.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Ocho.
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Speaker 6: I could be wrong, but I think this was his last stint. Because he had a hell of a team in this Milwaukee Bucks team when they had Dane, when they had Giannis.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, Dane got hurt. He had a hell of a team in Boston. He won one. He had a hell of a team in the Clippers. He won none.
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Speaker 1: Now, obviously, it's not his fault with the Clippers because, what you call it, the same thing that happened when he was in Philly.
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Speaker 3: And B couldn't stay healthy. What you call him was, his mind was, you know, he... And then Doc, Doc should have learned from what he said about Ben Simmons. Joe, when they asked the man, can you win a championship? He's like, I don't know. Joe!
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Speaker 6: Emotions are high up. Emotions are high. Right after the playoff game, we're in the Eastern Conference Finals. I mean, we're in the Eastern Conference.
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Speaker 3: You're in the semis. Semis, yeah. I mean, hey, they put that mic on Doc right after the game.
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Speaker 7: It's hot.
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Speaker 6: Look, he ain't even had real time to really, really process it. No, he wasn't supposed to say that about that young man.
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Speaker 3: Doc a coach. Doc been a coach for too long.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of people that say things, a lot of people that coach, and they might think something.
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Speaker 3: But you know you can't talk like that, Joe. Oh, Joe. Hey, hey, hey.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Doc is a smart man.
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Speaker 6: Hey, I don't think he's a smart man. Doc from the shot, huh? Yeah, I know where you're from, yeah. He come from a different club, man. Hey, Doc a real brother now.
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Speaker 3: Yes. And the other part is, Joe, Doc played. Doc was a good player. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember when Doc played.
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Speaker 3: I remember Doc at the Marquette.
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Speaker 6: I remember him for the Hawks when he played with Nick now.
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Speaker 3: With Nick, with them high-ass shorts on him and dream of gas. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's... Am, look, like I said, Giannis man, sometimes players have to ask, answer questions they shouldn't have to ask. Like you said, ask Doc what he meant by it. Ask Doc why he said it. Why you asking me? I don't know why he said it. I'm over here now.
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Speaker 6: Hey, you know why he asked you? Because they want that sound bite. They want you to say something that's going to get them there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know Ocho.
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Speaker 2: They need it.
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Speaker 3: We're going to be a little messy in the media and see if we can get a little click bait. He ain't falling for it. You're right. Y'all didn't say, man, you got to call Doc. He said, you got Doc's number, right?
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Speaker 7: I know you got his number.
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Speaker 1:
Y'all didn't say, I ain't got it no more.
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Speaker 3: I didn't say, when I left, it was gone. Yeah. That was funny.
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Speaker 1: Yadonis Haslam said he kept it real with Bam out of bail when he told him he's not Joel Embiid. You're an effort and an energy guy. All that star talent, you're not Joel Embiid. Joel Embiid can go out there on one knee and get 30. You're going to bring that ish every night. You can get your 30, but you're going to have to bring that ish every night to get your 30. That's who you are, and that's okay to be that guy. You like UD having this conversation with.
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Speaker 3: Bam, Joe, and Ocho? Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 6: You know, UD, he liked it. senior citizen over there for the Miami Heat. You know, them guys really, when they talk about Heat culture, hey, you talk about UD, bro. So the respect weighs so heavy over there in Miami.
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Speaker 3: And Bam need to hear that, bro.
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Speaker 6: Listen, he has too much talent, Uncle Ocho, to be out there sitting watching Giannis. Hey, you got to join in on the fun, partner. You hear me? Yeah, he can go out there and get 30. He can go out there and get 25. But he's right. He's going to have to play both ends of the floor, bro. I think he's that talented to where he can control and be effective on both ends of the floor. He just has to go out there and play with the confidence that he's been playing with, I want to say probably, in about the last four, five games. Bam, hey, Bam been looking like a different player, bro.
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Speaker 3: He has. He has. Yeah. Look good. Yeah. What you think, Ocho? You like that Bam, I mean, UD spoke to Bam?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 8: You know, UD has always been that central figure, you know, when it comes to heat culture and what it's like, you know, he's always been an enforcer as well, similar to how Draymond Green is with the Warriors. So hearing it from UD, UD might be the only one that's able to talk to Bam in that manner outside of maybe Dwayne Wade. But I think it hits harder coming from UD, you know, telling Bam and keeping it real with him.
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Speaker 7: So I mean, I like it.
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Speaker 3: I like it.
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Speaker 8: And I don't know what Bam eating. I don't know what he doing, Joe. But boy, whatever he need, he need to keep doing it, bro. He need to keep doing it.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and.
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Speaker 6: A.
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Speaker 3: Big three.
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Speaker 1: I guess he's talking about big three 2025. Smitty has 5,000 yards, 5,019 yards, 31 touchdowns, 20 drops on 554 targets. It's hard for me to read this, but I think he said, I think what the guy is trying to say is that if he was fed like the other guys that we mentioned, Smitty would be top five, top ten.
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Speaker 5: That's what I tried to tell you.
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Speaker 3: But, I mean, who couldn't we say that about, Joe? Who?
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Speaker 1: So, Joe, if they were to allow you to shoot 25 times a game, you're going to average 30, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, I guarantee you, tell me the receiver, Ocho, if I told any receiver, forget the top 15.
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Speaker 3: Take the next 15 to 30. If you say....
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Speaker 1: If you ask them, if I gave you as many targets as Puka, Chase, CD, do y'all think y'all could put up those numbers?
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Speaker 3: What do you think they're going to say to a man, Ocho? Yep, they're going to say yes. Whether they believe it or not. Yes!
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I felt the same way. I'm looking at them guys.
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Speaker 1: Them tight ends that was catching 65, 70 balls.
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Speaker 3: I said, man, give me those numbers.
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Speaker 1: And my position coach said, you think you could put up Because at the time Marvin Cook, he played in New England.
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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah. Yes.
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Speaker 1: He's like, okay, we're going to see. I said, I tell you what, you give me the ball like him, he ain't going to the Pro Bowl no more.
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Speaker 3: Not in front of me. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Ocho, you hated on JJ. He was the problem with the Vikings. Maybe he wasn't the problem. He's playing better than Winston Murray. He's happy to be on a team that believes in him and knows how to develop him.
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Speaker 3: Hashtag go Giants. Hey, I don't hate. I speak facts.
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Speaker 7: If you know my history, I don't talk bad about people.
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Speaker 3: Ever. Rarely.
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Speaker 8: So if I ever get to that point where I have to say something that's critical at a time, it was well deserved. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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Speaker 1: Big three, has nightcap led to a genuine friendship beyond the show?
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Speaker 3: When is it not nightcap related?
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Speaker 1: Do y'all stay in touch, hang out, or ever get your families together for holidays or special occasions?
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Speaker 8: No, Joe ignored my calls when I come to Atlanta. Don't know where he at. Unc don't never want to go and listen to Frank Sinatra or smoke cigars with me.
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Speaker 5: So we don't do things like off the show. So it's hard to hang out.
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Speaker 1: We hang out for the show and then when the show's over, if we together, we go do stuff.
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Speaker 3: After the show.
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Speaker 6: Me and Unc might hang out here and, you know, Turbo over there, he just, you know, you're a different type of animal, man.
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Speaker 3: I ain't going to lie to you. You know what I mean? Hey, Joe. I'll tell you one thing, Joe.
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Speaker 5: I'm with you when you're right.
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Speaker 8: I'm with you when you're right.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Man, it's not often. I mean, last year my brother came and we spent Christmas together for the first time in 37 years.
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Speaker 6: Damn!
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Speaker 1: We spent Christmas together for the first time in 37 years. You got to understand, Joe. Okay, he was in the league. Then I was in the league.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was working. I was working.
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Speaker 1: This was the first time that I, you know, hey, even though I worked Christmas, I didn't really have.
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Speaker 3: Like, you know, I was working at night. So he said, you know what, bro? I ain't got nothing. I'm going to fly.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to come out there. He came out here. He was, like, here. Got here the night before. And next morning, we spent Christmas together, ate. Next morning, he was gone. That's what's up, man. Yeah, my sister, my mother, we don't. We, I mean, look, like I said, once my grandmother passed, all that tradition that everybody used to come to my grandmother's house.
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Speaker 3: It's old wood.
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Speaker 1: Or Sunday, Mother's Day, Father's Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas. That ish was out the window, man.
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Speaker 3: It's old wood. It's old wood. Damn.
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Speaker 1: And my sister liked being by herself. My sister spent three weeks here, although I was gone. A lot of times, my sister be in her room, I'm in my room, she called me. What you doing? She called me on the phone, asked me what I'm doing. Just watching TV. She come up there, sit on the foot of the bed, talk for about 15 minutes, go right back down the stairs, go in the kitchen, get some water. She done froze a bottle of water, pour some other water on top of it so it'll be cold, get her some chips, and she back in her room. We so much alike. Me and her are identical. She like to be in her house. I like to be in my house. Now, my brother will go. He like to go on the road. He going to go golfing. He'll put the car on the road. He'll go drive. But her and I, I pull the shades down, close them garages.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. That's it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Joe, she called me. Bro, we 25 feet, 40 feet from each other. She called me on the phone.
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Speaker 3: What you doing? You know you could have just walked upstairs, right?
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Speaker 5: That's something I'd do.
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Speaker 1: I thought the goal is to build the best 53-man roster. Are these coaches failing to develop backups or GMs and scouts failing to pick the right talent? Like, damn, does practice need to be longer? Bro, it's hard to pick talent. Because you look at a guy and what are you able to do in college and you think, oh, this is, hey, Ocho and Joe, we know what we heard, can't miss.
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Speaker 3: Don't translate. Right.
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Speaker 5: I don't mean nothing. Sometimes it don't translate, man. I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: You talking about develop backups? Hell, we can't develop starters. But then, hell, you think it's going to be hard to develop backups.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I sent a DM to my homeboy, sent Justin Fields, Xavier Worthy,
and a first-round pick for Jetta.
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Speaker 3: Respectfully, downs just doesn't move me.
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Speaker 1: Makes sense to me for the Vikings to need a competent quarterback. What do y'all think? Boy, they put Jetta with my homeboy? Boy, that's wishful thinking. That ain't happening.
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 5: Hey, you talking about a cheat code. Now, that's a cheat code.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 3: Bro, how many quarterbacks are they going to keep putting out there for Jetta?
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Speaker 1: Bro, Carson Wentz got to be better in the league too long for that interception.
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Speaker 3: That was horrible. Help me understand, Uncle Nocho. They can't.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what I looked at.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Y'all can't help them understand.
00:25:08
Speaker 8: I can't help you understand. I tweeted before the game started. I was literally on the plane. I said, boy, Jedis is going to have a day-to-day because of what I've seen Carson Wentz do before. I know when it comes to drop back and throwing that ball, that's something he can do. Now, he doesn't do it at a consistent rate, but when he does it, well, he does it right.
00:25:30
Speaker 5: Lo and behold. Boy, if he ain't put up a stink of the.
00:25:35
Speaker 3: Night, boy. He was just God-awful.
00:25:42
Speaker 1: From walking to him to skip, bouncing to him, we've seen almost every big moment with Wentz.
00:25:49
Speaker 3: I love him, but it might be time to hang it up.
00:25:53
Speaker 1: Not when they keep getting five, you know, three, four, five, six million dollars to be a backup. And it's fine until he has to play for an extended period of time.
00:26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that was a stink of the day. But that was awful.
00:26:09
Speaker 5: Like stir-fried there, bro.
00:26:12
Speaker 3: Who hurt you today? Nobody. But I was just hurt for watching that play.
00:26:17
Speaker 1: I was hurt that they had to watch that on Monday Night Football.
00:26:21
Speaker 3: I hate that I had to come talk about that issue.
00:26:25
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at Wentz play stinking it up and I'm looking at Brian Flores call damn near a perfect defense and his guys all of a sudden take it upon themselves to do what they want to do. Safety ain't got no business worrying about no damn out. He jumping, the running back up the rail.
00:26:45
Speaker 3: Gone.
00:26:47
Speaker 1: Wentz, got everything you wanted. The linebackers are in a trail position. You got Hawkinson screaming up the seam, and you back shoulder him. Mattelis, 44 for the Vikings. You in the end zone. You see the guy. You got coverage. You see the guy run past you. You sinking. You sinking. Then all of a sudden, you say you see Josh Allen starting to come towards the line.
00:27:13
Speaker 3: You leave the end zone. Yeah. I just don't get it.
00:27:26
Speaker 1: Ocho, like Kyler Murray standing next to Iso.
00:27:29
Speaker 3: He too little.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: They say you caliber instead of the ISO.
00:27:36
Speaker 3: Man, they already know it, man. They know that man knee-high to a duck's ass.
00:27:40
Speaker 8: Hey, knee-high to a duck's ass ain't got nothing to do with when it comes to competing.
00:27:44
Speaker 3: You hear me?
00:27:45
Speaker 5: Size ain't got nothing to do with it, boy.
00:27:47
Speaker 8: If you look at the NFL field, you notice everybody's not the same size, different heights, different weights.
00:27:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:27:53
Speaker 2: Huh?
00:27:54
Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah.
00:27:55
Speaker 5: That's forewarning for you, my boy.
00:28:01
Speaker 1: Wentz need to be a subway employee and try for theft. Vikings better be on the phone with Cousins or Shadour's agent. Who would you rather see in Denver trade for? Jonathan Taylor or Trey McBride?
00:28:18
Speaker 5: Well, they're not letting Trey McBride go.
00:28:20
Speaker 3: And the price is too high for Jonathan Taylor. Oh, you think so? What are they asking for for Jonathan Taylor?
00:28:30
Speaker 1: They want a very similar package to what Christian McCaffrey got, what they got for Christian McCaffrey. The 49ers gave up. I think they gave up two twos, a three, a four, and a five. And I guess seemingly people are only offering a two and a five. They're going to wait until that last hour.
00:28:48
Speaker 6: That last hour somebody's going to come in.
00:28:52
Speaker 1: See how desperate they are. Hey, Nightcap fam, what about Shador Sanders to the Vikings? Why is no one trading for Shador? So many teams can use him. Maybe Cleveland don't want to trade him.
00:29:05
Speaker 3: Facts. That's what I think. They got plans. They got plans for their young man. Jags bulking the defense for the Bengals. High key. Ocho?
00:29:22
Speaker 7: You can bulk all you want, bro. You can bulk all you want.
00:29:26
Speaker 3: I don't know.
00:29:28
Speaker 7: You can just wait.
00:29:29
Speaker 5: You can just be a team. You can sign Moses.
00:29:33
Speaker 2: Huh?
00:29:35
Speaker 8: That ain't going to help you when that deal and that offense get going, bro.
00:29:39
Speaker 1: Sad to see David go, but you can't turn down a first and a second in a down year. How he got 10 picks in the first two rounds for the next three years. He did his thing. I'll say with all those picks, a quarterback is in question. They taking a quarterback over the next three years. Absolutely.
00:29:57
Speaker 3: The Eagles. The Eagles. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
00:30:06
Speaker 5: They got to hit right, though.
00:30:08
Speaker 1: Hey, look, it's hard to bet against him, Ocho. I mean, based on his resume, you betting against him? No. Look at the D linemen that he selected. Smitty, Goddard, Took Hurts, Dickerson. I don't think he was there for Lane Johnson.
00:30:32
Speaker 3: He could have been. He might have been there for Lane. Pat's fan here.
00:30:41
Speaker 1: Just came back from watching the Bengals put BTA to the Falcons in Madrid. Sad you
couldn't make it, Ocho. Would have loved to take a picture with you. Number 85 jersey.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: We're everywhere. Go Bengals.
00:30:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:56
Speaker 3: You know that. You know that.
00:30:58
Speaker 5: That boy kind of legendary, Joe. You know, a little iconic.
00:31:02
Speaker 3: I already know.
00:31:05
Speaker 1: It.
00:31:05
Speaker 8: I'm a little bit everywhere, man, you know. Yeah, but I couldn't go. I couldn't go. Couldn't make that trip. I promised T.O. I would be at his alma mater's homecoming.
00:31:17
Speaker 7: So that's what I did.
00:31:18
Speaker 5: I got, you know, I.
00:31:21
Speaker 7: Done been in Madrid many a times.
00:31:23
Speaker 1: But y'all saw that home game the Broncos had in Carolina, right, Joe? You saw that, right? Yeah, I seen it. What you trying to say? I didn't say nothing. You know, the whole little home game for us in Carolina, Bronco country. Hey, hey, hey, boy, you got everything riding on them damn Broncos.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe.
00:31:39
Speaker 1: That ain't necessary, Joe.
00:31:43
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Joe.
00:31:44
Speaker 1: I know, Joe. You got everything riding on the Broncos, Ocho.
00:31:48
Speaker 3: Hey, who was that? That's what he thinking. Who the hell is the Ravens? All right, you got to chill. You got to chill. Ocho, what you think, Ocho? Hey. That's a permission slip.
00:32:07
Speaker 1: Hey, hey.
00:32:07
Speaker 6: And whoever working behind the scenes, come on, man. Y'all in on this, too. Y'all got to chill.
00:32:12
Speaker 3: Nah, for real. Y'all got to chill. Y'all got to chill. Hey, Joe, all it is is a permission. You know, we're going to ask the old lady, can Joe, you know, hang out with Ocho and I for a night? You know what? You know why y'all talking? Today's the 10th. It's her birthday today, man. It's my lady's birthday today. Oh, happy birthday.
00:32:28
Speaker 2: Happy birthday.
00:32:29
Speaker 6: She in there in her third, fourth damn dream. She been partying hard all day for the past two, three days. That's one thing about the women. It's a birth week.
00:32:43
Speaker 3: Nah, you wasn't born on no seven days. You had one day. She burnt out. She is over with.
00:32:51
Speaker 1: Puka is the best football player, but as far as wide receiver, I got JSN, Puka, Chase in that order.
00:32:59
Speaker 3: JSN, Puka, Chase. Amen.
00:33:09
Speaker 1: Ocho Trippin. Devontae Smith is not a top ten receiver. Chase, Jetta, JSN, Puka, CD, Neighbors, Ahmed Ra, Nico Collins, Garrett Wilson, Devontae Adams, they're all better than him.
00:33:23
Speaker 3: A good player, but not great. Y'all forgot neighbors.
00:33:31
Speaker 5: Hey, whoever said that, they don't know, boss. They just talking.
00:33:35
Speaker 8: Just naming names.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: Even as a rookie, Devontae Smith had 916 yards, followed it up with three 1,000-yard season and.
00:33:48
Speaker 3: Made the playoffs five times and got a ring. And it's laughable.
00:33:52
Speaker 1: My guy gets hurt and now Unk taking Golden and Watson over a Super Bowl champion.
00:33:57
Speaker 3: No, that's team accomplished that. You see how y'all pick and choose?
00:34:03
Speaker 1: So under that scenario, you're saying that he's better than Chase and Puka and CD and Jetta. Because like you said, he had 916 yards.
00:34:16
Speaker 3: Right, Joe?
00:34:17
Speaker 1: He's three times, 5,000 yard season, and he has a Super Bowl. None of the guys that I mentioned, only JSN and the top.
00:34:26
Speaker 3: Has a Super Bowl ring.
00:34:33
Speaker 1: Under that scenario, you said, I don't look, I look at, because that's what they do. I think Julian Edelman and Amendola are phenomenal. Under that scenario, you said they're better than T.O. and they were better than Randy Moss.
00:34:46
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:01
Speaker 1: Uh, Smitty has a 3.4% drop rate. That's second only to Jettles among active receivers in the league. When the ball comes to him, he makes plays. Don't disrespect them with those boys from Green Bay. Look, all I need them to do is catch the ball. Ocho, we've been begging for them to catch, just hold on to the ball.
00:35:21
Speaker 3: And we saw.
00:35:23
Speaker 1: Just imagine, who they played, who was that on the Sunday night game?
00:35:28
Speaker 3: Was that the Cowboys?
00:35:30
Speaker 1: That they was dropping all them passes and they should have just blew the doors off him, Ocho? Because Golden dropped like three touchdowns. And Watson had dropped two. And you saw them hold on to the ball on Sunday. And them boys almost had 200 yards apiece, Ocho. Give me Smitty over Matthew Golden all day, every day. Crazy day, y'all drunk. Smitty disrespect is crazy. Smitty can run every route on the tree. Give Smitty Matthew Stafford Burrow And watch what he does.
00:36:02
Speaker 3: Well, everybody going to get Joe Montana and Steve Young. Everybody. I tell you what.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: Give me Elon Musk money. And who is the richest man in the world if I got Elon Musk money, Ojojo?
00:36:21
Speaker 3: Me. Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker 1: Bro.
00:36:27
Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to... You got to work with what you got. You got to work.
00:36:34
Speaker 1: So y'all saying, so I guess y'all saying Jerry Rice wouldn't be what he is if he didn't have Steve Young. But hey, he had Jeff Garcia. He had Rich Gannon. Yeah, Rich wasn't the MVP. And he went to Seattle. Did y'all not see Jerry at 42 up there in Seattle cooking?
00:36:54
Speaker 3: He couldn't run.
00:36:55
Speaker 1: He couldn't get away. He couldn't blow the top off the coverage like he once could. But I tell you what you won't see again. You might see another 42, 43, 40-year-old quarterback.
00:37:06
Speaker 3: You ain't going to see no 42-year-old receiver, Ocho. Oh, no. You're not going to see that. You might see a lot of things.
00:37:16
Speaker 1: You might see another 42-year-old basketball player. What's LeBron? LeBron going to be 42,
right?
00:37:24
Speaker 3: 42, yeah.
00:37:25
Speaker 1: You might see another one of them. What's the likelihood of Ocho we seeing another 42-year-old receiver?
00:37:31
Speaker 3: You ain't seeing one of them, boy.
00:37:32
Speaker 5: That ain't happening.
00:37:34
Speaker 3: How old Chase? 27? You think Chase played another 15 years? Nah. Nah. Not that long.
00:37:46
Speaker 1: People don't realize just how great Jerry was. But you can make that case for everybody. You can say, well, if LeBron or Steph or this guy played with Shaq or this guy played with Michael or this guy played with Magic or this guy played with Kareem, you can.
00:38:02
Speaker 3: Make that case.
00:38:08
Speaker 1: Looking at the Vikings schedule, I have them going 2-9 in their next 11 games. Chances they could trade Jetta before the deadline or next offseason.
00:38:18
Speaker 5: Hey, no, I don't have them going 2-9.
00:38:20
Speaker 8: Don't forget, they're not going to have a Josh Allen.
00:38:23
Speaker 5: Guess what?
00:38:25
Speaker 1: They got Green Bay, they got Chicago, and they got Detroit. With those quarterbacks, Ocho, with the quarterback that they got now, it's going to be tough sledding.
00:38:36
Speaker 3: You ain't lying, boy.
00:38:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that defense is going to give a.
00:38:41
Speaker 3: Chance anyway, though. If you can't score no points and your quarterback turning the ball over.
00:38:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, they done in that area.
00:38:59
Speaker 3: Okay, Ocho. Next game, they're in Green Bay. Then they're in.
00:39:07
Speaker 1: They got the 49ers. Then they got the Falcons, the Panthers, the Patriots, the Lions, the Commanders, the Jets, and the Bears. Woo.
00:39:24
Speaker 3: We better get ready.
00:39:30
Speaker 5: We're ready.
00:39:35
Speaker 1: Ocho, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. They got nine games left. I don't see about three, four wins in there, honestly.
00:39:48
Speaker 3: Honestly.
00:39:50
Speaker 8: Let them figure out that quarterback situation, huh?
00:39:55
Speaker 5: They might make a move before 4 o'clock tomorrow. I'm not sure for.
00:40:00
Speaker 7: Who, but they get Kirk O'Bain.
00:40:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I just said.
00:40:07
Speaker 3: Kirk O'Bain.
00:40:08
Speaker 5: They get Kirk O'Bain over there. They going to be all right? They should have never let that happen.
00:40:13
Speaker 3: No, man.
00:40:14
Speaker 5: I ain't even going to say that.
00:40:15
Speaker 1: Joe, what are your thoughts on Luca telling Hawks fans, y'all wish y'all had me?
00:40:20
Speaker 3: Given they drafted him third and then traded him. Oh, listen.
00:40:26
Speaker 6: Every time Luka comes back to Atlanta to play, Ojo the boy put on a show.
00:40:30
Speaker 3: I ain't going to lie to you. Every time. Tonight. He's going home again? I don't think so. He's going home again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, A.R. didn't play.
00:40:41
Speaker 5: A.R.
00:40:41
Speaker 3: Had 43 last night, so A.R. didn't play tonight.
00:40:44
Speaker 6: And Luka came out, I think he had like 35, 10 assists, like eight. He just kind of having his way with the league right now. I'm just going to keep it real with y'all, bro. The man playing on a whole nother level, bro. Yeah, I'm talking about, I ain't seen nobody be able to stop them slow moves. You talking about Ocho? I still ain't seen nobody who can stop him.
00:41:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, your boy right here.
00:41:10
Speaker 1: AR is the best second option in basketball. Man, did you see that man went into Detroit yesterday, man?
00:41:16
Speaker 6: Not by himself, but I think the Walter Kessler dude who they got from Utah.
00:41:21
Speaker 3: Walter Kessler, yeah. He's been huge, Uncle Ocho.
00:41:26
Speaker 6: I'm talking about rim protection, finishing around the rim, just being a presence, a big presence. I know that's what we talk about with big domination.
00:41:36
Speaker 3: Hey, man, this boy here ain't playing. Yeah.
00:41:40
Speaker 1: That's what Aiden could have been doing. Ocho, y'all talking about DBs don't press anymore. Why do you think that is? Are they scared? I remember when guys like Al Harris, Nnamdi, and Rivas were all playing press, damn near every snap.
00:42:00
Speaker 8: No, we said, no, they do play press. Just too many players like to open the gate. and make it a track meet instead of using technique and stabbing and trusting what you work on in off season.
00:42:13
Speaker 5: They're not doing that. They take an easy way out and take an easy way out, they're getting beat.
00:42:20
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You up there pressing, you don't press nobody. You might as well just back off.
00:42:24
Speaker 7: Not doing nothing.
00:42:27
Speaker 1: You're tasked with selecting four current NBA players to assemble the next R & B group.
00:42:32
Speaker 3: Who are you selecting? The what? I got to pick four?
00:42:37
Speaker 1: Four current NBA players to assemble an R & B group.
00:42:42
Speaker 3: You were Shea the first one I'm thinking of. Okay, he going to be your lead singer? Yep.
00:42:49
Speaker 6: If you going Shea, so you got to sprinkle in a little, you know what I mean?
00:42:57
Speaker 3: You probably going to have to throw Luka in there too, ain't you?
00:43:00
Speaker 1: Man, Luka ain't put Luka in there. What group you talking about, man?
00:43:05
Speaker 6: He going to be the Jack Harlow of our R & B group.
00:43:09
Speaker 3: Oh, Lord have mercy. Hey! Jack Harlow hard while y'all playing. Yeah, that's a good question, bro.
00:43:25
Speaker 1: I think Austin Reed might be a better Jack Harlow than Luka.
00:43:31
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:43:33
Speaker 3: Damn, you had to put some thought into that one, boy. R & B group. I don't know. I had to put something together on that one.
00:43:46
Speaker 1: Well, JB got the Teddy Pendergrass beard.
00:43:49
Speaker 3: JB, he do.
00:43:50
Speaker 6: Hey, it's funny because, you know, him and Brum being over there in Philly, boy, they fit right in with them Philly beers, don't they?
00:43:57
Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
00:43:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:44:01
Speaker 1: That completes this episode of Nightcap as the Buffalo Bills go into Minnesota and win 23-6. Carson Wentz, 8 of 25. 81 yards, two picks, and a fumble. That man threw the ball 25 times. He had 81 yards.
00:44:19
Speaker 6: Damn.
00:44:21
Speaker 1: That was bad. That was bad. As the Bills move to 7-1, 23-6. Y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite. My partner and co-host, Liberty City's own, Bengals Ring of Fame honoree, the route runner extraordinaire, the matting ratings adjuster, that is Chad Ochocinco-Johnson. The third member of the Big Three, University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native. Yes, sir.
00:44:49
Speaker 3: Seven-time NBA All-Star.
00:44:51
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
00:44:51
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00:45:03
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00:45:45
Speaker 3: The Bills are 7-1. The Vikings fall to 6-2. I'm up.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: He's Ocho. He's Iso. We're off tomorrow, but we'll see you on Wednesday night.
00:45:57
Speaker 3: Peace.
00:46:25
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