บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ You Opened The Box Again - Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988)

00:03:50.860 it looks. 77 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:51.379 Weird, man. 78 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.780 Which now, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. When he like transforms back. 79 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:56.750 Yeah. 80 00:03:56.939 --> 00:03:58.969 And then he dies and it's just like, there's so 81 00:03:58.990 --> 00:04:00.050 many problems with this. 82 00:04:01.169 --> 00:04:01.289 Yeah. 83 00:04:01.310 --> 00:04:01.729 I don't know. 84 00:04:01.969 --> 00:04:04.409 It's just, I could, we could bounce around, but like there's, 85 00:04:05.050 --> 00:04:07.090 there's just problematic things about it. 86 00:04:07.169 --> 00:04:09.030 Some of like the gore is unsettling. 87 00:04:09.409 --> 00:04:11.569 I'm like, you know, I made Chelsea watch some of 88 00:04:11.650 --> 00:04:13.889 it and she's just obviously on her phone. Cause she doesn't, 89 00:04:13.930 --> 00:04:15.949 my wife, she doesn't want to watch it. And then 90 00:04:16.149 --> 00:04:19.769 there's just so much screaming in it. Like so much yelling. 91 00:04:19.810 --> 00:04:21.529 I'd like turn it down. Cause the baby was, it's 92 00:04:21.550 --> 00:04:24.269 like crazy. Like how much like screaming and yelling are 93 00:04:24.310 --> 00:04:26.759 in some parts. And I'm like, man, imagine being in 94 00:04:26.779 --> 00:04:29.259 the theaters. But like the first one was like interesting 95 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.680 and weird and people liked it. So I get like 96 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:34.379 why there would be a decent turnout. Cause you, and 97 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.300 especially like the poster, that's what really used to drop 98 00:04:38.339 --> 00:04:41.420 people in, man. People would see them, the worst movies 99 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:42.439 because of the poster. 100 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:44.680 Yeah, that's cool. 101 00:04:46.089 --> 00:04:48.620 Yeah I mean like so right I get I definitely 102 00:04:48.660 --> 00:04:50.079 agree with a lot of what you're saying but then 103 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.759 I'm like part of me part of me is like 104 00:04:54.290 --> 00:04:55.769 I don't know there's a lot of things I do 105 00:04:55.949 --> 00:04:58.050 like about the movie like some of the gore scenes 106 00:04:58.089 --> 00:05:00.550 man are absolutely. 107 00:05:00.069 --> 00:05:03.550 Fucked That's why I wrote down some of the makeup 108 00:05:03.610 --> 00:05:05.170 effects and the gore is crazy. 109 00:05:05.670 --> 00:05:08.329 It's so funny. On the poster, it says, more over Freddy, 110 00:05:08.670 --> 00:05:10.250 Pinhead is the new horror hero. 111 00:05:10.329 --> 00:05:14.040 No, no. That's what I want to see. I want 112 00:05:14.060 --> 00:05:19.389 to see Pinhead versus Freddy Krueger. Cause that they're both 113 00:05:19.529 --> 00:05:20.329 hell characters. 114 00:05:20.389 --> 00:05:23.730 Essentially. That's, Oh man, we have to do this. 115 00:05:23.769 --> 00:05:26.399 We have to do like an episode where we like 116 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.980 put like, like a slasher killers up against each other 117 00:05:30.259 --> 00:05:32.379 and then rate. And then there's a way we can 118 00:05:32.420 --> 00:05:34.399 do this or do like a tier list. We have 119 00:05:34.420 --> 00:05:36.600 to do some of that fun stuff, especially if we 120 00:05:36.620 --> 00:05:38.519 can do some live streams and I can send it 121 00:05:38.540 --> 00:05:41.600 on my side too and stuff. Cause that just sounds fun, man, 122 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:43.259 because I'd be rooting for Freddie. 123 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.730 I'm not going to lie. I like pinhead. but Freddy's 124 00:05:46.750 --> 00:05:48.550 going to take it. He's going to molest him with those. 125 00:05:48.569 --> 00:05:49.470 I have fingers. 126 00:05:49.949 --> 00:05:52.149 What was I going to say? There was something you said. 127 00:05:52.189 --> 00:05:54.189 Sorry, I would have told you the gore effects. 128 00:05:54.500 --> 00:05:56.220 And then I had a thought there and I'm trying 129 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:57.959 to find out where the note was, where I was like, 130 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.240 Oh yeah, I remember that thing. Oh yeah, that was it. The, 131 00:06:01.420 --> 00:06:05.560 the scene with the mental patient dude, remember the doctor, Dr. 132 00:06:05.620 --> 00:06:07.810 Channing or Channing or something. Chanard. 133 00:06:07.829 --> 00:06:10.269 Yeah. I did write the asylum. It's creepy. 134 00:06:10.290 --> 00:06:10.490 Yeah. 135 00:06:10.629 --> 00:06:13.089 When that dude, remember the guy, I can't remember the 136 00:06:13.569 --> 00:06:18.350 character's names. This is awful. he's hiding in his office 137 00:06:18.569 --> 00:06:21.750 behind the curtain and the doctor comes back with one 138 00:06:21.790 --> 00:06:23.500 of the mental patients and he ties him to the, 139 00:06:23.689 --> 00:06:26.540 or no, he puts him down on the mattress and 140 00:06:26.569 --> 00:06:29.040 doesn't he give him a knife or like a fucking 141 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:30.360 piece of glass or something? 142 00:06:30.379 --> 00:06:32.699 Yeah, and gets him to start cutting himself. That's disturbing. 143 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:34.879 Now that is disturbing. And do you want to know 144 00:06:34.899 --> 00:06:39.160 what's even more disturbing? That I think, I don't know 145 00:06:39.180 --> 00:06:41.220 if there is a deleted scene or there was something 146 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:43.800 that was filmed and hasn't been shown or I didn't 147 00:06:43.819 --> 00:06:45.339 really dig too much into it because I knew I 148 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:46.920 wasn't going to be able to show it on screen anyway. 149 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.839 But apparently the original intention there, or maybe some of 150 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:55.339 what they had shot that was removed, was Clive and stuff. 151 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.220 The intention there was, in the story, was to have 152 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:03.360 him cut his genitals off with the razor. Jesus. 153

00:07:04.490 --> 00:07:05.750 Doing some hostile shit. 154 00:07:05.819 --> 00:07:08.910 Which is like... but I don't know why I found 155 00:07:08.949 --> 00:07:12.910 that part where he was cutting himself extremely disturbing and 156 00:07:12.970 --> 00:07:15.470 it goes on like you said he's screaming and it 157 00:07:15.490 --> 00:07:18.730 goes on for way too long I'm like looking at 158 00:07:18.750 --> 00:07:20.810 it going what is it why. 159 00:07:20.629 --> 00:07:21.959 Is it still going on yeah that's why when I 160 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:24.279 was watching it and like Chelsea's just on her phone 161 00:07:24.300 --> 00:07:27.519 and my baby's upstairs I'm like this is like non-stop 162 00:07:27.540 --> 00:07:30.899 screaming blood everywhere it's like that's why I wrote down 163 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.639 that it is it was a disturbing scene and that's 164 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.279 like and that's what like Hellraiser is essentially like A 165 00:07:37.310 --> 00:07:41.040 lot of slasher films, sure, there's some crazy kills, and 166 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:42.420 there's some gore. 167 00:07:42.860 --> 00:07:44.680 Even with Friday the 13th, there's gore, but it's not 168 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:45.720 like Hellraiser, man. 169 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.639 It's not where it's just like there's just blood and 170 00:07:48.730 --> 00:07:50.730 guts and gore and just things going. 171 00:07:50.810 --> 00:07:51.589 It's crazy. 172 00:07:51.910 --> 00:07:54.689 And he's essentially, because he uses the mattress to get 173 00:07:54.750 --> 00:07:57.759 him to cut himself, so then it drops blood on it, 174 00:07:58.009 --> 00:08:00.579 so then it brings back. But why does he, because 175 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:02.319 he's researching it, he thinks. 176 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:05.839 I think there was a whole backstory of him that 177 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.019 you don't really get to come across that much, but 178 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.579 he's supposed to be like, because you see parts where 179 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:15.060 it shows his room, his office or whatever, and there's 180 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:19.990 all drawings of occult symbols and there's a chalkboard with 181 00:08:20.029 --> 00:08:23.069 all symbols on it. There's Egyptian drawings. There's replicas of 182 00:08:23.110 --> 00:08:26.230 the box. So he's supposed to be super into the 183 00:08:26.290 --> 00:08:27.050 occult and stuff. 184 00:08:27.750 --> 00:08:30.829 I'd actually want the lament box. I have. That'd be cool. 185 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.480 I want to get one for fun. Yeah, you can 186 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:38.080 pick those up, dude, for like super cheap. I went 187 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.720 even further. I got it tattooed on my fucking arm. 188 00:08:41.179 --> 00:08:43.679 That's pretty cool. They say that it's going to kill 189 00:08:43.730 --> 00:08:46.029 us one day or something. There's all these like studies now. 190 00:08:47.429

--> 00:08:48.049 It is what it is. 191 00:08:49.169 --> 00:08:51.049 Everything is killing me at this point, right? I drank 192 00:08:51.090 --> 00:08:53.610 a glass of milk earlier and I was like looking 193 00:08:53.629 --> 00:08:55.250 at it and I was like, this is probably full 194 00:08:55.289 --> 00:08:57.289 of chemicals and poison. Great. 195 00:08:57.309 --> 00:08:57.379 Yes. 196 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.940 Here's a conspiracy theory for you. I was like, uh, 197 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:01.940 I was like, maybe nevermind. 198 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:03.960 But I was like the, the only time the Rothschilds 199 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.330 ever went to the British parliament was to, uh, one 200 00:09:07.549 --> 00:09:09.629 to sign, to get them to go to Israel. 201 00:09:09.830 --> 00:09:10.529 That's the first one. 202 00:09:10.909 --> 00:09:18.029 Also to, uh, also to make unpasteurized milk illegal. 203 00:09:19.450 --> 00:09:21.789 Why would they do that? Why would they do that? 204 00:09:21.809 --> 00:09:22.909 That's kind of scary. 205 00:09:23.529 --> 00:09:23.860 Yeah. 206 00:09:23.889 --> 00:09:25.340 So I drank that milk over there. 207 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.360 Yeah. He's going to have the moobs going again. 208 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:31.759 I haven't got rid of him in the first place. 209 00:09:32.059 --> 00:09:35.539 It's not the Heineken, then it's the dairy. 210 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.440 It's so crazy. 211 00:09:39.059 --> 00:09:39.820 What else did I? 212 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:40.230 Oh, yeah. 213 00:09:40.659 --> 00:09:43.450 When the doctor dude. So I thought this stuff was 214 00:09:43.470 --> 00:09:45.210 really cool, right? I'm not going to lie. I didn't 215 00:09:45.250 --> 00:09:46.950 think I was going to say this or like this, 216 00:09:47.009 --> 00:09:50.850 but when the doctor changes into a centibite, I kind 217 00:09:50.929 --> 00:09:55.389 of liked it. Now, I will say. So, okay, that 218 00:09:55.409 --> 00:09:57.759 comes with a couple of caveats, right? Let me just, 219 00:09:57.820 --> 00:10:02.789 before you tear me a new one, just... hear me out. Yes, 220 00:10:03.129 --> 00:10:05.470 he kind of looks like a shittier version of Pinhead. 221 00:10:05.809 --> 00:10:06.049 Yes. 222 00:10:06.409 --> 00:10:08.250 And it feels like that they just put slashes on 223 00:10:08.289 --> 00:10:12.210 his face and made him blue. The weird egg homunculus 224 00:10:12.269 --> 00:10:16.549 thing that's stuck on his head, not really about that either. 225 00:10:16.730 --> 00:10:18.870 Don't really get it. That weird yolk is like. 226 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:21.070 But the way they did it, But. 227 00:10:21.769 --> 00:10:24.730 Something about the way he moves with his head tilted 228 00:10:24.850 --> 00:10:27.960 back because the thing is like pulling his head. And 229 00:10:28.059 --> 00:10:30.200 when he delivers some of the lines when he's talking, 230 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.039 I was like, okay, that's kind of freaky and disturbing. 231 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:37.539 Yeah, I will say there's parts like that, especially at 232 00:10:37.580 --> 00:10:42.389 the beginning when he transforms into a Cenobite, but almost 233 00:10:42.429 --> 00:10:46.929 like an overlord Cenobite because he has power over the 234 00:10:46.990 --> 00:10:49.590 rest of them, and he literally changes them back into 235 00:10:49.610 --> 00:10:53.340 their human form, which I thought was also kind of 236 00:10:53.379 --> 00:10:55.460 weird because they didn't really explain, but I guess his 237 00:10:55.519 --> 00:11:00.139 obsession with it, and even when he turns, he likes it. 238 00:11:00.539 --> 00:11:01.500 Even I wrote down when he. 239 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:06.820 When it's like Mommy Julia, when they wrap her up 240 00:11:06.860 --> 00:11:11.090 in bandages, and then he kisses her, I literally wrote down, 241 00:11:12.309 --> 00:11:15.970 Mommy Julia is creepy, ew. And I did like 17 Ws. 242 00:11:16.830 --> 00:11:17.070 Ew. 243 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:19.929 And I was like making out, ew, gross. Because it 244 00:11:19.990 --> 00:11:23.159 is like a gross scene, right? But one thing I 245 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.840 didn't like was... can you take him off screen for 246 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.120 a second? I just want to show you what it is. 247 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:33.110 What there's, I literally wrote down the doctor flying around 248 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.269 is so dumb. Like when he's like, has it, when 249 00:11:36.409 --> 00:11:38.669 it's just like, there's nothing on the set. 250 00:11:38.750 --> 00:11:39.710 It's just so much. 251 00:11:40.049 --> 00:11:41.210 It's so bad. 252 00:11:41.409 --> 00:11:44.429 Just going across the scene. I was like, what the fuck? 253 00:11:44.470 --> 00:11:47.000 That's the weirdest way to do that. And it's just like, 254 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:49.299 it's just from the top of the screen down. And 255 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.840 then it's just him floating across in this abyss, hell, 256 00:11:53.019 --> 00:11:55.419 hellscape land. You know, and I just thought it was, 257 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:58.769 it was just so bizarre. Like the, I'd like when 258 00:11:58.809 --> 00:12:01.210 he turns into him, it's interesting. And like, but then 259 00:12:01.289 --> 00:12:03.049 it is like a ripoff of pinhead, essentially. 260 00:12:03.429 --> 00:12:05.009 I just, I don't know. There's a better way to 261 00:12:05.049 --> 00:12:08.200 do this and to have him some overlord. That's yeah. 262 00:12:08.220 --> 00:12:11.840 It has the, some suction thing to his head. And 263 00:12:11.860 --> 00:12:13.879 then he's just floating around all the time in that 264 00:12:13.940 --> 00:12:14.470 hell world. 265 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:16.129 It's weird, right? 266 00:12:16.149 --> 00:12:19.009 Because sometimes when they show him, say, from an angle 267 00:12:19.210 --> 00:12:21.740 like this, for example, he looks really badass

and kind 268 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:23.820 of cool and weird there, right? And I'm like, okay, 269 00:12:23.860 --> 00:12:26.000 I can kind of get into that. But then, like 270 00:12:26.019 --> 00:12:28.759 you said, then it's really jarring because, like, five minutes later, 271 00:12:28.820 --> 00:12:31.759 they show him super exposed onto, like, a painted wall 272 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:33.929 and he's going like, shh, and flying along like he's 273 00:12:33.990 --> 00:12:36.929 on a fucking, like, an electric wheelchair or something. 274 00:12:36.950 --> 00:12:38.330 I'm like, wow, that is terrible. 275 00:12:38.370 --> 00:12:39.009 Yeah, it's so weird. 276 00:12:40.110 --> 00:12:41.850 That's why I'm like, cause there's one scene and it's 277 00:12:41.870 --> 00:12:44.110 like all foggy and it's just like a wide shot. 278 00:12:44.129 --> 00:12:47.289 And it's just him like, like flying across the set. 279 00:12:47.350 --> 00:12:50.429 I'm like, this is terrible. And there's so much effects. 280 00:12:51.110 --> 00:12:55.029 There's so much effects of like, just like bizarre, weird, 281 00:12:55.289 --> 00:12:57.529 almost practical with some CGI. 282 00:12:58.029 --> 00:12:59.450 And it just, I don't know, man. 283 00:12:59.470 --> 00:13:03.730 So there's a part that really, really rubs me up 284 00:13:03.750 --> 00:13:08.250 the wrong way. Right. And yeah, Now look again, I 285 00:13:08.289 --> 00:13:10.980 can't knock this because like I've never made anything and 286 00:13:11.009 --> 00:13:13.879 I don't know how difficult it is to actually do 287 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.919 some of this stuff and whatever, right? But one thing 288 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:19.100 that I felt really jarring was like, like you said, 289 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:21.320 it's like some of the effects are like really, really 290 00:13:21.340 --> 00:13:24.320 well done and look really good. Like the practical gore 291 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:30.000 for the most part is like disturbing. Like how good 292 00:13:30.019 --> 00:13:31.720 it is. I actually wrote that down. I was like, 293 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.950 my exact words were, The sound effects and gore in 294 00:13:37.990 --> 00:13:43.720 these movies are extremely underrated. I really miss practical effects. 295 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:45.159 Yeah, me too. 296 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:49.759 But then you get shots like this, which just completely 297 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:51.259 take me out of everything that's happening. 298 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.350 Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. These weird like painting, like. 299 00:13:56.129 --> 00:13:57.289 It doesn't look real. Like that is actually just a 300 00:13:57.309 --> 00:14:00.529 painting of some sort of maze, labyrinth thing that they're 301 00:14:00.549 --> 00:14:01.309 supposed to be stuck in. 302 00:14:02.179 --> 00:14:03.000 And it doesn't look real. 303 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:04.940 And then there's a part where it shows the two 304 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.299 characters running up a staircase that's obviously superimposed over this picture. 305 00:14:10.019 --> 00:14:12.490 And I'm like, there is, you could have literally just 306 00:14:12.509 --> 00:14:15.350 shown them walk by a concrete wall and just said, 307 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:17.070 oh yeah, it's concrete wall is in there. 308 00:14:17.850 --> 00:14:19.470 Cause that's what I'm saying at the beginning. I'm like, 309 00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:19.950 oh yeah. 310 00:14:19.970 --> 00:14:21.830 Like I remember like they visit her, I think in 311 00:14:21.870 --> 00:14:24.470 her hospital bed or whatever. And I, And it's like 312 00:14:24.610 --> 00:14:26.409 I'm kind of getting into it. But then when they 313 00:14:26.460 --> 00:14:30.019 spend the majority of the movie in this weird labyrinth 314 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:34.799 or whatever and how it's just like it's the set 315 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:39.100 pieces are like are not great. And it's like overdone 316 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.419 where it looks like it looks like a Windows 97 game. 317 00:14:43.730 --> 00:14:48.750 it's like, it's not great. It's very bizarre. And it's 318 00:14:48.769 --> 00:14:51.120 just like for the second one, you didn't have to 319 00:14:51.129 --> 00:14:53.269 go balls tilt and weird stuff. 320 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:54.029 Balls deep. 321 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:56.240 I don't say balls tilt, whatever that is. Balls deep 322 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.379 into like weird stuff. You know, just like complete out 323 00:14:59.419 --> 00:15:02.220 of pocket. Like the first one is them summoning him 324 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.879 and then it goes like, oh, like I get the premise. 325 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.039 It would be like interesting if it was done in 326 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.639 today with the today's technology, but just at the time, 327 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.940 they just could have done it differently and kind of 328 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:19.720 played into still him coming into this realm and have 329 00:15:19.740 --> 00:15:23.960 like realistic set pieces and stuff like, not like, it's 330 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:24.360 not good. 331 00:15:24.460 --> 00:15:26.000 I don't like it. Yeah, sometimes, and I think what 332 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.500 happens there sometimes is, I want to say they had 333 00:15:28.539 --> 00:15:33.009 issues with this as well. And like, it was extremely 334 00:15:33.049 --> 00:15:35.330 low budget as well for, you know, what it was, 335 00:15:35.389 --> 00:15:37.470 what they were trying to achieve. I think $ 3 million 336 00:15:37.529 --> 00:15:41.490 is like probably impossible, especially in the late eighties. But, um, 337 00:15:43.230 --> 00:15:46.370 What I think happens sometimes as well is you get 338 00:15:46.409 --> 00:15:50.289 that thing where, you know, maybe there's new technology or 339 00:15:50.309 --> 00:15:53.490 whatever and someone's like, yeah, right, what am I

going 340 00:15:53.509 --> 00:15:55.909 to do is I'm going to recreate like the labyrinth 341 00:15:55.970 --> 00:15:57.649 and the maze and you're going to see it all 342 00:15:57.720 --> 00:15:59.080 and there's going to be lightning and it's going to 343 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:00.779 look really cool and blah, blah, blah. And maybe like 344 00:16:00.820 --> 00:16:02.820 the guys are like, oh, that sounds amazing. Like, let's 345 00:16:02.860 --> 00:16:05.379 do that. Let's spend money on that because this guy 346 00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:07.860 has obviously said he's going to make this amazing special 347 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.720 effect and it's going to look so good and it's 348 00:16:09.740 --> 00:16:10.500 going to look so cool. 349 00:16:11.500 --> 00:16:12.070 And then.... 350 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.840 Maybe when they sit back then and look at it 351 00:16:15.860 --> 00:16:19.860 and they go, huh? What is this? That's what I 352 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.179 paid for. And now we're like, you know, a month 353 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:24.379 away from having to like release this thing or whatever. 354 00:16:24.419 --> 00:16:26.220 And now I have no way to fix this. Like 355 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.159 George Lucas with Star Wars. Let's just make everything CGI. 356 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:32.379 I'm even going to go back into old films and 357 00:16:32.419 --> 00:16:33.779 make more stuff CGI. 358 00:16:34.750 --> 00:16:35.799 It's just like, you know. 359 00:16:35.830 --> 00:16:38.309 Yeah, but it is very jarring in this. Cause like, 360 00:16:38.350 --> 00:16:39.990 I felt like there was parts of it where I 361 00:16:40.009 --> 00:16:43.350 was like super immersed. And I was like Oh yeah 362 00:16:43.389 --> 00:16:45.049 Kind of like this It has that feel And it's 363 00:16:45.090 --> 00:16:49.039 gory And it's weird And then like The next scene 364 00:16:49.059 --> 00:16:50.490 would come And I'd be like Huh? 365 00:16:51.779 --> 00:16:54.759 Just some of the set pieces and some of like the, 366 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.580 when you do see like the weird, I don't know 367 00:16:57.659 --> 00:17:00.179 what the thing is supposed to be. The master Cenobite 368 00:17:00.220 --> 00:17:01.899 thing that's controlling. 369 00:17:02.990 --> 00:17:03.590 The doctor. 370 00:17:04.190 --> 00:17:06.670 And then it's like on top of like a mountain 371 00:17:06.750 --> 00:17:08.529 thing in the, in a big box. 372 00:17:08.609 --> 00:17:11.930 Like, it's just weird, dude. There's just so many weird shots. 373 00:17:12.009 --> 00:17:13.670 And that's why it took me kind of out of 374 00:17:13.690 --> 00:17:16.579 the movie of like how bad someone, I wouldn't say 375 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:18.900 even graphics, but it's the way they have it set up. 376 00:17:19.569 --> 00:17:22.609 where they have like a big lament box or something. 377 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:24.170 And some of the things that coming out of her 378 00:17:24.190 --> 00:17:26.890

or whatever, it's kind of around the scene where she's like, 379 00:17:26.910 --> 00:17:29.950 it helps Julia and her, like her arm falls off, 380 00:17:29.990 --> 00:17:33.150 but it's not actually Julia. It's a Christie or Christie, 381 00:17:33.170 --> 00:17:33.940 whatever the hell her name is. 382 00:17:33.970 --> 00:17:36.759 Christine Christie, you know? And it's like around that time. 383 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:38.619 And it's just like, it just looks weird, man. 384 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:40.200 Yeah. 385 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.539 I don't know. Just some of the stuff like, like that, 386 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.339 for example, just like absolutely just dreadful. 387 00:17:47.099 --> 00:17:48.980 That's probably around the same scene where they're on top 388 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:50.359 of the thing and she's like falling. 389 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.000 Give me your hand. It's Julia. But you find out 390 00:17:53.059 --> 00:17:54.400 she's wearing her skin. 391 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.380 So, um, here's a kind of a weird fun fact 392 00:17:58.420 --> 00:18:00.220 on the disc. Well, you could look it up as 393 00:18:00.269 --> 00:18:02.630 you're listening to the audio either, but if you want to, 394 00:18:02.670 --> 00:18:04.829 you can watch the video aspect of the episode and 395 00:18:04.849 --> 00:18:06.390 you'll be able to see some of this stuff in 396 00:18:06.430 --> 00:18:10.049 real time. So you have that character of Dr. Chanard 397 00:18:10.089 --> 00:18:12.329 or whatever, however you pronounce it. And he turns into 398 00:18:12.349 --> 00:18:15.210 that like doctor kind of Cenobite and he can be 399 00:18:15.309 --> 00:18:20.430 really cool in places. and then it's like you know 400 00:18:20.450 --> 00:18:22.470 you have that character he looks you know he looks 401 00:18:22.769 --> 00:18:25.809 quite weird and creepy and still shots maybe don't do 402 00:18:25.829 --> 00:18:27.970 him justice or some of the scenes where he's talking 403 00:18:28.009 --> 00:18:29.130 and stuff and some of the stuff he's saying I 404 00:18:29.130 --> 00:18:31.289 was like wow he is a scary motherfucker and I'm 405 00:18:31.309 --> 00:18:37.539 kind of believing that he's like this kind of like better, stronger, 406 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.980 scarier to a degree I was kind of believing that 407 00:18:42.059 --> 00:18:44.299 and then it's like you said then you get a 408 00:18:45.789 --> 00:18:46.730 Shots like this. 409 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:47.599 Yeah, see? 410 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.359 That's what I'm saying. I'm like, what the fuck is 411 00:18:50.420 --> 00:18:54.480 going on with this film, man? That looks stupid, dude. 412 00:18:54.940 --> 00:18:58.920 What is that? That one where he's like, I'm flying, Jack. 413 00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:01.700 I'm flying. Dude, it's the Titanic scene. 414 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:06.200 That is just absolutely... And his shoes. 415 00:19:06.259 --> 00:19:07.839 He has shoes. He has little boots on. 416 00:19:08.099 --> 00:19:13.799 My other side of it is then, right? It's not even... okay, 417 00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:17.500 practically you've pulled it off terribly because it just looks bad. 418 00:19:18.380 --> 00:19:21.690 But like, I can't imagine sitting around a table and 419 00:19:21.710 --> 00:19:23.670 being like, you know what we should do? There should 420 00:19:23.690 --> 00:19:26.609 be a part where he comes through the window stuck 421 00:19:26.650 --> 00:19:29.720 to the tentacle and just have him like floating around 422 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.380 the room. Like he's on some sort of like fairground ride. 423 00:19:34.180 --> 00:19:36.019 I'm like, who thought that was going to be, who 424 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.269 thought that was going to look cool? I, that is crazy. 425 00:19:40.289 --> 00:19:42.299 That looks that no wonder I was like, what the 426 00:19:42.299 --> 00:19:44.000 fuck is this? When I was watching it. 427 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.359 Even like, there's, I don't know if you could, there's 428 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:47.579 this baby doll at the end. 429 00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:48.190 Do you remember that? 430 00:19:48.299 --> 00:19:50.400 It looks so stupid. I was like, I wrote down 431 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:53.000 the baby doll is stupid. The ending is pretty dumb. 432 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:55.880 That's what I wrote down. I don't know what you 433 00:19:55.900 --> 00:19:58.160 would call that thing. The baby thing. It's like, I 434 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.819 don't know if you can find a picture of that. 435 00:20:00.859 --> 00:20:01.799 I can pull that up. 436 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:02.980 Hellraiser 2 baby. 437 00:20:05.339 --> 00:20:10.160 Also, so you know when he transforms? Mm-hmm. So when 438 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:14.420 he transforms into that creepy Cenobite thing with the tentacle 439 00:20:14.460 --> 00:20:16.829 on his head and whatever, that's based on a Francis 440 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:24.750 Bacon painting, which is called Figure with Meat, I think 441 00:20:24.789 --> 00:20:24.990 it is. 442 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:25.509 Weird. 443 00:20:25.869 --> 00:20:28.809 Which is basically what's on screen. It's just a figure 444 00:20:28.849 --> 00:20:30.930 of a man with meat on either side of him. 445 00:20:30.950 --> 00:20:31.430 So weird. 446 00:20:31.970 --> 00:20:35.150 So when he, there is, I don't have the images, 447 00:20:35.190 --> 00:20:38.250 but if you pull them side by side, There's an 448 00:20:38.390 --> 00:20:40.650 image of him, and it's supposed to be loosely based 449 00:20:40.710 --> 00:20:42.390 on that, right? And then I found out this weird 450 00:20:42.430 --> 00:20:46.960 piece of trivia. So this image, this Francis Bacon picture, 451 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:52.480 shows up in another movie that everybody on the planet 452 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:57.019 surely knows. I'll give you three guesses as to what movie. 453 00:20:57.849 --> 00:20:58.619

And I will say. 454 00:20:58.660 --> 00:21:01.009 But, like, that's no basis of, like, you've got to 455 00:21:01.029 --> 00:21:01.490 give me, like. 456 00:21:01.549 --> 00:21:04.430 A ballpark. Yeah, I'm going to give you some clues, right? 457 00:21:05.349 --> 00:21:11.039 It's not... Another horror movie is the first clue. Okay. 458 00:21:11.059 --> 00:21:12.460 So if you want to make a guess off of that, 459 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:14.079 and then I'll give you another clue. 460 00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:15.660 Not another horror movie. 461 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.980 It's not a horror movie, right? It's definitely not a 462 00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:18.400 horror movie. 463 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:20.140 Not another teen movie. 464 00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:21.000 No. 465 00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:27.160 I have no... Because there's no... I'm not even in 466 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:28.059 the diamond, man. 467 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:30.400 It's a comic book movie. 468 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:32.119 Spawn? 469 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:33.559 No. 470 00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:34.829 It's a. 471 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.539 A very notable superhero. 472 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:39.740 Spider-Man? 473 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:40.640 Nope. 474 00:21:41.700 --> 00:21:48.589 Superman. Wolverine. Oh, weird. Oh, weird. That's the best picture 475 00:21:48.609 --> 00:21:49.269 you could get of that. 476 00:21:49.670 --> 00:21:50.130 I know. 477 00:21:50.150 --> 00:21:53.869 They all look like that. I don't know why. That's 478 00:21:53.910 --> 00:21:54.390 so funny. 479 00:21:55.019 --> 00:21:55.170 Yeah. 480 00:21:55.190 --> 00:22:00.960 Remember that scene where Bob is like his little right-hand man. 481 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:03.880 He goes to hit the thing and the Joker's like, nope. No, no, no. 482 00:22:04.019 --> 00:22:05.019 I like this one. Leave it. 483 00:22:06.390 --> 00:22:07.329 Oh yeah, that is weird. 484 00:22:07.349 --> 00:22:08.849 Some weird random reference. 485 00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:11.549 I know we always say this, but whatever. If we 486 00:22:11.569 --> 00:22:14.430 do some off-brand stuff, Batman, the first one, first two 487 00:22:14.509 --> 00:22:16.769 are kind of horror movies a little bit, man. 488 00:22:17.170 --> 00:22:20.829 Yeah, 100%. Especially those ones, they're fucking dark, dude. All 489 00:22:20.849 --> 00:22:21.509 of them are kind of. 490 00:22:21.509 --> 00:22:23.670 For everybody who hasn't known yet, right? I wrote a 491 00:22:23.690 --> 00:22:25.710 book called Horror Hot Text, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? 492 00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:27.369 We know all that. Please buy the book. Please do 493 00:22:27.390 --> 00:22:29.490 something with it. Please tell me how great I am. 494 00:22:30.130 --> 00:22:32.410 But I did actually have a chapter in the book. 495 00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:33.809 I don't think I got there that far. 496 00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:36.089 I think I'm at No, there's not a chapter in 497 00:22:36.109 --> 00:22:37.710 the book about that, but I did actually at one 498 00:22:37.730 --> 00:22:38.410 point toy with the idea. 499 00:22:38.430 --> 00:22:39.299 I thought you mentioned it. 500 00:22:39.730 --> 00:22:41.970 Of having a chapter where I was going to be like, right, 501 00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:45.210 those first two Batman movies are essentially horror films. 502 00:22:46.009 --> 00:22:50.099 I'm at, where I'm at, I read the Scream thing. 503 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.240 I think I'm at Psycho 2, which I actually have 504 00:22:54.259 --> 00:22:55.940 heard good things. I think we've talked about it and 505 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.400 I've never, I don't know if I've ever sat down 506 00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:59.640 and really, maybe years and years ago. 507 00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:01.730 That's not bad. I was shocked. 508 00:23:01.750 --> 00:23:05.049 Do you find that baby dog? I said baby dog. 509 00:23:05.170 --> 00:23:07.390 Let me try and grab it here now. 510 00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:12.200 Because there's just like weird parts of this. And it'll 511 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:14.400 be interesting because I'm like getting ahead and stuff like that. 512 00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:15.400 I've watched three. 513 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.039 How do I not remember what you're talking about? 514 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.730 It's just like near the end. And that's what I'm saying. 515 00:23:21.089 --> 00:23:22.910 At the end when it's like all of them turn 516 00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:25.910 into the human form, I just thought that was, I 517 00:23:25.930 --> 00:23:28.069 don't know, weird. I get what they were trying to do. 518 00:23:28.250 --> 00:23:32.660 I like the idea, right, of And I know you 519 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.349 probably to do this with the Cenobites you're going to 520 00:23:34.369 --> 00:23:35.849 have to do it with them all. You can't just 521 00:23:35.890 --> 00:23:38.950 do it with Pinhead. But I like the idea of 522 00:23:38.970 --> 00:23:41.309 the Elliot Spencer thing where you know you're going to 523 00:23:41.349 --> 00:23:46.059 kind of see who Pinhead is. He wasn't always this person. 524 00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:49.720 He was actually like a human. I kind of like 525 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.059 that idea but then it just. 526 00:23:53.490 --> 00:23:54.710 He looks weird, man. 527 00:23:55.509 --> 00:23:56.690 Yeah. It looks weird. 528 00:23:56.769 --> 00:23:59.549 Doug Bradley's head without the makeup on. And he's like the, 529 00:24:00.109 --> 00:24:01.089 that costume. 530 00:24:01.230 --> 00:24:02.470 In the costume. 531 00:24:02.509 --> 00:24:03.539 I found it. I found it. 532 00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:07.359 When he's like, when he's himself as like the, the 533 00:24:07.450 --> 00:24:11.119 military guy or whatever. I don't mind that. Like when 534 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.119 he's like Captain Elliot Spencer or whatever, I'm fine with that. 535 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.619 But you're right. When he transforms

him, And it's Doug 536 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.380 Bradley with that little piece of hair like I have. 537 00:24:21.509 --> 00:24:22.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 538 00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:25.049 That balding head. He's just standing like looking at him 539 00:24:25.069 --> 00:24:26.710 with the thing. And I'm like, that is like some 540 00:24:26.769 --> 00:24:29.190 creepy dude in like a sex club in like bondage. 541 00:24:29.210 --> 00:24:29.890 So bring this up. 542 00:24:29.910 --> 00:24:32.210 So it's when she's like tripping out, which is they 543 00:24:32.230 --> 00:24:35.750 do that weird hallucination thing kind of. And I thought 544 00:24:35.769 --> 00:24:37.569 I was like, this is so dumb. This is like 545 00:24:37.609 --> 00:24:38.849 a baby floating around. 546 00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:43.140 You remember that? See, again, there is some like pretty. 547 00:24:44.019 --> 00:24:48.029 So again, right. I think. Clive Barker has such great 548 00:24:48.109 --> 00:24:51.710 ideas visually that it was nearly always going to be 549 00:24:51.750 --> 00:24:54.569 impossible for a lot of people to convey what he 550 00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:58.730 wanted onto a screen, if you know what I mean, 551 00:24:58.750 --> 00:25:01.109 especially in like the late 80s. It was going to 552 00:25:01.130 --> 00:25:03.309 be next to impossible to adapt some of his work 553 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:06.819 because he's so visually clued in. Like if you read 554 00:25:06.859 --> 00:25:10.539 any of his work, it's so intricate and detailed and 555 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.880 so huge that like it's something... Del Toro talked about 556 00:25:15.099 --> 00:25:18.240 you know when he was supposed to do in the 557 00:25:18.259 --> 00:25:22.140 mountains of madness I think so yeah it's always kind 558 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:24.180 of like went away all the time and like people 559 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:25.609 always ask me like why did you never make that 560 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.009 why did you never make it and I was like 561 00:25:27.029 --> 00:25:28.970 do you know why because it's too big of a 562 00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:31.289 movie in the sense of like they'll never give me 563 00:25:32.049 --> 00:25:35.250 what I need to actually make that look how the 564 00:25:35.309 --> 00:25:37.750 book wants it to look and I don't want to 565 00:25:37.769 --> 00:25:39.849 do it if I'm going to have to do it 566 00:25:39.890 --> 00:25:44.089 with some bullshit like crap money And it looks shit. 567 00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:46.369 I'd rather just not do it at all than not 568 00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:47.789 be able to make it the way it's supposed to 569 00:25:47.809 --> 00:25:48.150 be made. 570 00:25:49.170 --> 00:25:51.150 Dude, some of this, though, I'm looking at these images, 571 00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:54.289 it looks like he has dreads on his head. 572 00:25:54.349 --> 00:25:57.250 Yeah, it's very weird. Some of the stuff just didn't 573 00:25:57.289 --> 00:25:58.289 come

across, I don't think. 574 00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.220 But there's cool shots, right? I always love this poster. 575 00:26:01.339 --> 00:26:05.400 I do like this poster a lot. But the doctor pinhead. 576 00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:07.660 Yeah, with the sergeant thing, that was a deleted scene. 577 00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:09.640 That's become really famous since. 578 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:10.039 That's cool. 579 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:11.680 Yeah. 580 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.430 When she's wrapped up like the mummy, there is like 581 00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:17.710 interesting scenes or when he's like toiling with the box, 582 00:26:17.809 --> 00:26:21.839 it kind of shows more of whatever Pinhead's name is 583 00:26:21.859 --> 00:26:24.980 like Doug Bradley's character. And when he's, you know, messing 584 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:27.599 around with the lament box and then it kind of 585 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:32.849 shows the, the kind of, um, which I think. 586 00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:34.130 Gets more into it in the third. 587 00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:37.410 One of like the war element, how like he was 588 00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:38.799 just destroyed by the war. 589 00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:41.019 And it obviously, it seems like it's like Vietnam. 590 00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:43.940 And then Frank also seems like he might've been like 591 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:45.119 a Vietnam type vet. 592 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.180 And the stuff they were doing in Vietnam is crazy, man. 593 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:49.980 Like what they would do to some of the women 594 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.730 and stuff like that is like, there's barbaric stories about 595 00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:55.569 some of the stuff on both sides that went on 596 00:26:55.769 --> 00:26:56.430 during that war. 597 00:26:56.450 --> 00:27:00.049 I kind of liked it. They touched on that. Like, 598 00:27:00.069 --> 00:27:03.710 I feel like, Somebody like Clive Barker has always been 599 00:27:03.769 --> 00:27:07.069 quite like he tries to push the. But again, like 600 00:27:07.109 --> 00:27:09.089 I said, Clive talks about this a lot, actually, where 601 00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:12.470 he's like, no one ever adapts my work the way. 602 00:27:12.490 --> 00:27:16.000 You always take pieces out and things I want to 603 00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.539 say that are uncomfortable for people to just remove it 604 00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:19.180 from the story. 605 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.359 I thought this, like there's shots. That's what I'm saying. 606 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.720 There are shots of this film that are like genuinely 607 00:27:25.869 --> 00:27:28.509 just scary. Like when it, cause who is that? Who 608 00:27:28.569 --> 00:27:30.630 is it supposed to be there? It's supposed to be Frank. 609 00:27:30.730 --> 00:27:31.309 Yeah, that's Frank. 610 00:27:31.410 --> 00:27:34.329 Or her dad. No, it's supposed to be Frank. 611 00:27:34.529 --> 00:27:36.660 Yeah, I think so. Isn't it? Yeah. 612 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.440 I thought it was her dad. Cause he's in the realm, 613 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:39.779 isn't he? 614 00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:40.599 Yeah, maybe it is. 615 00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:45.660 Her dad's technically in the realm. Let's see, Pinhead. I 616 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:46.700 don't know how you'd say this. 617 00:27:47.740 --> 00:27:49.380 Yeah, like what you just said, I had like the 618 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.680 tone and atmosphere of some of the shots in this 619 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.349 movie in the hospital are absolutely incredible. And the score 620 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.569 as well, again, by Christopher Young, the score. I don't 621 00:27:59.589 --> 00:28:02.450 care what anyone says. You could put, and everyone forgets 622 00:28:02.490 --> 00:28:04.710 about this. I think it's super underrated. You could put 623 00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:09.190 the Hellraiser scores up there with any other horror franchise 624 00:28:09.309 --> 00:28:10.230 and it would hold up. I think. 625 00:28:10.250 --> 00:28:10.730 Yeah, I agree. 626 00:28:10.930 --> 00:28:13.589 If you listen to the score for this movie, dude, 627 00:28:13.970 --> 00:28:18.420 it sounds so much like Batman 89. Like, I mean, 628 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.900 I kind of nearly want to put the score for 629 00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:24.720 this over Batman 89 and see, does it just play 630 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.240 the same? It sounds exactly the same. 631 00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:30.579 That it, I will say that I agree with you 632 00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:32.930 on there. It does sound like it is kind of 633 00:28:32.990 --> 00:28:35.920 like the, the music is pretty epic and, I'm really 634 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:42.099 trying to find an image when he's in the ending pinhead. 635 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.019 Do you know what else used to scare me a lot, actually? 636 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.000 You know the bit where the doctor is walking through 637 00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:49.880 the hospital and he's looking into all the rooms and 638 00:28:49.900 --> 00:28:53.500 all the patients are smashing their heads off the walls 639 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.490 and screaming and clawing at their heads? 640 00:28:56.549 --> 00:28:58.150 That's why I said the asylums. 641 00:28:58.289 --> 00:29:00.450 I've always had a weird thing, especially when I was 642 00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:03.230 growing up, with mental hospitals. I have somebody in the 643 00:29:03.269 --> 00:29:05.759 family who was in a mental hospital so I don't 644 00:29:05.779 --> 00:29:08.819 know if that added to it but anything to do 645 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:10.839 with that has always freaked me out right I watched 646 00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:13.779 the Blair Witch 2 a few nights ago right and 647 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.759 there's a scene in it where one of the main 648 00:29:15.819 --> 00:29:19.740 characters is like in a mental hospital and they have 649 00:29:19.809 -->

00:29:22.369 him laid back on a bed and it's a completely 650 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.009 white room and the doctor is smoking a cigarette and 651 00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:28.250 they put a pipe into his nose and they're pouring 652 00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:31.609 this white milky looking material into his nose and it's 653 00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:33.309 coming out his mouth and his eyes are rolling back 654 00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:36.279 I used to like have nightmares about shit like that 655 00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:37.769 when I was a kid. I was like being dragged 656 00:29:37.809 --> 00:29:39.369 away by like the men in white coats. 657 00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:44.079 That is weird well I think it's considering probably your 658 00:29:44.140 --> 00:29:46.880 family member too uh being a part of that yeah 659 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:48.779 see when you remember when he gets his throat cut. 660 00:29:48.619 --> 00:29:52.109 It's just and it's just he's like which is even 661 00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:55.029 his expression is like the goofiest like looking. 662 00:29:54.690 --> 00:29:58.710 Yeah because I'm they have his like yeah like sticking 663 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.579 your tongue out and all it doesn't like it doesn't 664 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:01.559 even look real. 665 00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:04.400 That could have been potentially cool but like they needed 666 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.160 to play it read like even there though. 667 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:11.099 It looks like a cosplay i know like that's what 668 00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:13.680 i'm saying dude but i do like the scene where 669 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:15.819 it shows other than i don't necessarily like the little 670 00:30:15.859 --> 00:30:18.160 like like bug thing that like puts the pins in 671 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.880 his face like the little tentacle thing but i do 672 00:30:20.900 --> 00:30:22.359 but that scene when he's like oh. 673 00:30:22.990 --> 00:30:26.250 Yeah I do like the POV like when we're looking 674 00:30:26.289 --> 00:30:27.950 at him and his face is being slashed open and 675 00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:28.950 he's screaming and stuff. 676 00:30:28.869 --> 00:30:31.869 I was like okay that's pretty cool it is that's 677 00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:35.339 what I'm saying there is good elements to this film 678 00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:38.799 but obviously it's just these the set pieces and some 679 00:30:38.819 --> 00:30:42.640 of the things like but like it's yeah it's it's 680 00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:45.880 problematic but like some of the scenes are cool. That's 681 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.829 why it's like with horror, it is this weird thing of, 682 00:30:49.109 --> 00:30:51.910 especially if you have, if it's nostalgic, if you remember 683 00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:54.490 watching it with it when you were a kid and like, 684 00:30:54.589 --> 00:30:56.809 oh man, some of the art that have people have 685 00:30:56.829 --> 00:30:58.009 done too is pretty cool. 686 00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:02.809 Like it's such a, it's one of those franchises dude, 687 00:31:02.849 --> 00:31:06.569 I think from the first movie, like, and we'll probably 688 00:31:06.589 --> 00:31:08.910 see this in every episode after this, but like every 689 00:31:08.970 --> 00:31:14.700 movie from number two on, are not really great movies, 690 00:31:14.740 --> 00:31:17.380 but they all have really cool aspects about them that 691 00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:19.480 if you took all the aspects of all the other 692 00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:22.619 sequels and put them into one movie, you might actually 693 00:31:22.660 --> 00:31:27.279 have a really good sequel rather than making six movies 694 00:31:27.369 --> 00:31:30.250 where pieces of them were cool, but then this was crap, 695 00:31:30.769 --> 00:31:34.930 this was shit, but this was crap. Same with Pirate 3, right? 696 00:31:34.990 --> 00:31:37.589 So Pirate 3, for me, is one of those I'm 697 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:41.509 super nostalgic about it, love it, but there's a lot of, 698 00:31:41.970 --> 00:31:45.450 bad choices in number three but then there's other parts 699 00:31:45.490 --> 00:31:47.990 like with the pillar for example I love the idea 700 00:31:48.009 --> 00:31:49.509 of the pillar yeah but then. 701 00:31:49.390 --> 00:31:51.670 We started we can't get into it that's the next movie. 702 00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:53.650 But it just kind of feeds into this I suppose 703 00:31:53.690 --> 00:31:55.930 where it's like oh yeah there was another thing I 704 00:31:55.950 --> 00:32:00.619 was like Dr. Chanard transforming into that Dr. Cenobite was 705 00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:06.200 really cool stop motion was absolutely dreadful though although his 706 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.500 face shots up really close and his voice and dialogue 707 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.619 was quite scary I did enjoy the fight between the 708 00:32:12.650 --> 00:32:15.200 Cenobites and the Doctor. I felt like he was cool 709 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.700 in this scene. However, when he transforms them back, it 710 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.380 just ruins everything again. 711 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.470 Yeah, it just looks weird, man. I don't like it. 712 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.240 So they had a 20%. So the budget they thought 713 00:32:27.259 --> 00:32:32.309 they had that they had planned to have was instantly 714 00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:37.150 they lost 25% of it before they started because the 715 00:32:37.170 --> 00:32:39.769 part that they weren't told was the budget they were 716 00:32:39.809 --> 00:32:43.069 given was in uh, American dollars and it had to be, 717 00:32:43.269 --> 00:32:44.210 this was shot in the UK. 718 00:32:44.230 --> 00:32:44.569 Wow. 719 00:32:44.750 --> 00:32:46.450 So it had to be changed to Starlink. So they 720 00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:47.910 lost 25% of the money. 721 00:32:48.690 --> 00:32:49.130 That's crazy. 722 00:32:49.150 --> 00:32:51.609 So like, say like they, that

you're told like, all right, 723 00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:54.069 we're giving you a million dollars and you go, yeah, 724 00:32:54.089 --> 00:32:56.849 or giving you a million pounds and you go, yeah, yeah, great. 725 00:32:57.049 --> 00:33:00.099 Million pounds or we're giving you a million. You go, yeah, great. 726 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:00.210 Okay. 727 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.839 I have a million pounds. I'm going to do this, that, 728 00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:05.279 and that. And then obviously they transfer a million dollars 729 00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.920 to the UK and then you look in the account 730 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.680 and it's 750 grand and you go, wait a second. Oh, there's, 731 00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:13.829 quarter of a million missing and they go no no 732 00:33:13.869 --> 00:33:14.970 that's a million dollars. 733 00:33:14.789 --> 00:33:19.079 So that would happen if like if you sent money 734 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.799 from america to canada um no other way canadian money 735 00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:25.400 to american money it's like a million dollars would be 736 00:33:25.420 --> 00:33:28.000 like yeah 800 000 or something like that like it's 737 00:33:28.299 --> 00:33:31.519 the because of the currency exchange and it's like then 738 00:33:31.539 --> 00:33:34.160 you're like losing out it's like ah yeah. 739 00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:36.200 I remember years ago being able to gain money when 740 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.700 i went to the states it was like every euro 741 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.160 i gave i got like nearly a dollar 50 and 742 00:33:41.269 --> 00:33:45.190 i was like wow i'm making money yeah yeah. 743 00:33:45.509 --> 00:33:48.930 That's great so out of um out of three out 744 00:33:48.970 --> 00:33:53.079 of out of 10 floating doctors uh with a a 745 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.660 weird tentacle what are you giving this because like there 746 00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.400 there's elements of it but man this is i started 747 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.710 to watch the other ones that i i remember watching 748 00:34:03.750 --> 00:34:05.470 but then i would just be bored of and stuff 749 00:34:05.490 --> 00:34:08.630 like that I don't know how well the rating system 750 00:34:08.690 --> 00:34:09.889 is going to go for. 751 00:34:09.829 --> 00:34:10.750 The rest of these. 752 00:34:11.150 --> 00:34:12.610 What did we give the last one? Nine? 753 00:34:13.030 --> 00:34:15.239 I liked it, yeah, because I love the first one. 754 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.739 It's everything you want out of a horror movie, and 755 00:34:17.780 --> 00:34:20.280 it's well done, but it's just like, because they didn't 756 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.219 go overboard. 757 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.530 This one went overboard, and the rest seemed to go overboard. 758 00:34:24.530 --> 00:34:24.590 6.5. 759 00:34:24.570 --> 00:34:25.929 Okay. 760 00:34:26.050 --> 00:34:30.409 I was going to say a 7, but I said 761 00:34:30.449 --> 00:34:32.269 I'll knock a. 5 off just for some of the 762 00:34:32.309 --> 00:34:33.230 things I gave out about. 763 00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:38.010 And I'll say again, this might depend on watchability, how 764 00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:41.480 often I would watch this movie. I'm going to give 765 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.420 it like a five because it's rare that I'm going 766 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.030 to go back maybe in a couple of years. 767 00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:46.570 I really didn't like this. 768 00:34:47.309 --> 00:34:49.989 Yeah. I know there's parts I liked about it. If 769 00:34:50.110 --> 00:34:52.789 me and you were hanging out, having a beer and 770 00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:55.769 watching it is one thing and that's fun, but like, 771 00:34:55.869 --> 00:34:58.090 it will be something I'll go back to around Halloween 772 00:34:58.139 --> 00:34:58.889 in a couple of years. 773 00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:00.639 Like they're the beginning. 774 00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:02.340 I do enjoy, I'll give it like a 5.56, like 775 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.159 kind of that realm. Um, but there's just so many 776 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.179 like jarring, as you would say, the, these parts where 777 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.159 you're like, like the, the shots are really cool, but 778 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.380 then the ending and stuff like that just takes you 779 00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:18.519 out of the film. It's just like, what are we watching? 780 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:20.980 Doug Bradley in a BDSM costume? 781 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.639 Yeah, there's parts of it that are actually quite weird. 782 00:35:24.699 --> 00:35:26.519 It's like, what the fuck is going on? 783 00:35:26.539 --> 00:35:28.139 I still enjoy this. 784 00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:29.840 I think it'll be interesting because we'll probably go a 785 00:35:29.860 --> 00:35:34.099 little longer on the third one. The more weird they get, 786 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.400 the longer the episodes might be because it might be 787 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:37.300 more of like, what. 788 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.039 Are we watching? 789 00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:41.599 I want to do a watch-along of one of them. 790 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:43.300 Maybe the fat pinhead one. 791 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.039 Oh, Christ. 792 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.440 I want to do one watch. There's so many of them. 793 00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:49.280 Let's do, we have to do at least one watch along. 794 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:49.920 Yeah. 795 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.420 Look, I would give it probably a 6.5, but that's 796 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:55.980 because like, again, there's aspects of it that I remember. 797 00:35:56.059 --> 00:35:57.860 Like I'm like nostalgic about, I'm like, Oh yeah, I 798 00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.800 remember that cool scene. Remember that thing. But again, it 799 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.539 more feels like a collection of cool scenes than it 800 00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.219

does like one cohesive story. 801 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:06.659 Yeah. 802 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.139 So it's a bit frustrating in that sense. You know 803 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.199 what though? I actually had fun like revisiting this one 804 00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:12.800 and then being able to chat about it. I feel like, 805 00:36:13.349 --> 00:36:15.630 we got a lot of, so far I've had fun 806 00:36:15.670 --> 00:36:17.369 like 40 minutes, which is quite good. 807 00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:18.250 Yeah. 808 00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:19.829 And I, and I've had fun and I think, you know, 809 00:36:19.849 --> 00:36:24.610 some of the, it's might be worth just doing a 810 00:36:24.699 --> 00:36:27.679 smaller kind of takes on episodes and not having to 811 00:36:27.699 --> 00:36:32.260 do two hours trying to explain our entire thoughts about 812 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:35.340 every detail. But like, I don't know, this is fun 813 00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:40.309 for me because like, I don't, um, that was weird. 814 00:36:40.869 --> 00:36:42.889 It's fucking cinebites are coming out of the screen. I 815 00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:48.170 heard you, repeating, but, uh, are you frozen? No, you're 816 00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:53.280 not frozen. But like, I still enjoy, um, I still, 817 00:36:53.380 --> 00:36:55.539 because I didn't watch these that often. I think this 818 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.000 will be kind of fun because I didn't really, I 819 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.599 think I watched, I've tried to watch mostly probably up 820 00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:03.360 to like six, something like that, but I don't think 821 00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:04.699 I've ever watched it all the way through. I put 822 00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:06.710 it on, late at night when i was drunk and 823 00:37:06.730 --> 00:37:08.809 then i was like this is fucking weird and then 824 00:37:08.829 --> 00:37:10.710 i just did something like that right where i didn't 825 00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:13.710 i wanted to give them a chance but i really 826 00:37:13.769 --> 00:37:16.309 didn't so this will be interesting to go along this 827 00:37:16.349 --> 00:37:18.889 journey where i'm actually going to watch all of them fully. 828 00:37:18.590 --> 00:37:22.409 Yeah yeah same like some of them i kind of 829 00:37:22.469 --> 00:37:24.389 remember and i'm like well i can't remember the last 830 00:37:24.409 --> 00:37:25.929 time i saw this so it is kind of cool 831 00:37:25.969 --> 00:37:29.550 to revisit them again with kind of no memory i 832 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:31.469 can remember little scenes and like oh yeah remember that 833 00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:33.739 cool thing But then I don't actually remember the movie 834 00:37:33.820 --> 00:37:35.820 or the story. So it's been interesting. It's going to 835 00:37:35.860 --> 00:37:38.920 be an interesting series, I suppose. Yeah, this has been 836 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.110 a fun one. Let us know if you've gotten to 837 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:47.309 the end. Let us know your thoughts on Hellbound Hellraiser 2. Obviously, 838 00:37:47.750 --> 00:37:50.150 next episode, we'll move on to part three, which we 839 00:37:50.190 --> 00:37:52.510 might have. Well, I don't know. I was going to 840 00:37:52.530 --> 00:37:55.059 say we might have more nicer things to say, but 841 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:55.739 I'm not so sure. 842 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.519 It's interesting. We'll get into it. 843 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.420 I probably will because I'm so nostalgic. 844 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:09.320 About I am also but then re-watching it I'm like weird. 845 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.119 But yeah this has been fun we appreciate everybody for 846 00:38:11.219 --> 00:38:14.849 listening and stick with us links will be in the 847 00:38:14.889 --> 00:38:19.650 description for our socials and things like that and if 848 00:38:19.690 --> 00:38:21.489 you want to pick up a copy of my book 849 00:38:21.570 --> 00:38:24.230 which I have been really bad at promoting I'll be 850 00:38:24.250 --> 00:38:26.710 honest maybe in the run up to Halloween I might 851 00:38:26.750 --> 00:38:28.150 push it again and try and get it out there 852 00:38:28.170 --> 00:38:30.969 and get it in more people's hands Buy my book. 853 00:38:31.230 --> 00:38:33.130 I make no money from it, but it'll just make 854 00:38:33.170 --> 00:38:33.969 me feel better. 855 00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:36.880 Stay horny for horror, everybody. 856 00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:38.139 Please do. Peace. 857 00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:51.019 Thanks for listening to another episode of Class Horrorcast. Stop 858 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:58.019 the CHC podcast at classhorrorcast.com. At First Class Horror on Instagram, TikTok, 859 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.800 and YouTube. Or on Twitter at class underscore horror. The 860 00:39:02.860 --> 00:39:06.340 CHC podcast is hosted and produced by Aaron Doyle. And 861 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.699 is an FCH production.