บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 4 - The Grind (greatness is boring)

Can do either. I think you know it, then Speaker 1: 2:27 I think this is a boxer. Yes. It sounds like a boxer. Speaker 2: 2:31 Yes. Yes. Speaker 1: 2:32 It's . It's gotta be Rocky, Rocky Balboa . Right? Doesn't have to be Speaker 2: 2:35 Like , you got it. It's Rocky BBO . It's him talking to his little boy. Speaker 1: 2:39 This is Rocky Speaker 2: 2:39 Four, Rocky six. It's a sixth installment in the Rocky franchise. It starts Burt young and Antonio Tava Speaker 1: 2:49 Tarver and Sylvester Stallone, Speaker 2: 2:50 And oh yeah. And Sylvester Stallone. Speaker 1: 2:52 Right? I would've led with that. Yeah. Speaker 2: 2:54 Oh yeah. That's right . <laugh> Speaker 1: 2:56 It's funny to me that you decided to choose a quote from one of the least, if not the least memorable Rocky movies, like of all the Rocky quotes and all the Rocky movies. You're like from the end credit sequence of Rocky eight revenge of Rocky son . Speaker 2: 3:10 <laugh> I got two more quotes for you. Speaker 1: 3:14 Okay . Speaker 2: 3:15 Because you with one quote, I don't think you can get in . I think you need at least a couple more quotes. Speaker 1: 3:19 Okay . All right . Speaker 2: 3:20 Yeah . Ready? Most of the time change is a good thing. And I think that's what it's all about. Embracing change, being brave, doing whatever you have to. So everyone in your life can move forward with theirs. And maybe it's the only way you can truly make her happy. Speaker 1: 3:34 Okay. Politician? No. Okay. So not a politician, Speaker 2: 3:39 Fictional character, Speaker 1: 3:40 Fictional character. Okay. Fictional Speaker 2: 3:42 Character. That's the theme of these quotes is they're all fictional characters. I figured it'd be more fun. Speaker 1: 3:46 The film that they're in is it of our time. Speaker 2: 3:48 The TV show is in our time. I can, can finish the quote to make it more obvious. Cause I didn't finish the quote Speaker 1: 3:54 For my name. Isn't <laugh> Speaker 2: 3:57 <laugh> no , uh , to make her happy pause, pause. Pause of which of course I'm referring to lady football and important to point out . He's saying this in , uh , a European country. Speaker 1: 4:10 Oh, okay. Right. This is Ted lasso. Speaker 2: 4:14 You got it. Speaker 1: 4:15 Yes. Right. Speaker 2: 4:17 I've got one more quote. Okay. And I'll tell you just , I don't think you're gonna get it. You can guess if you want, but I think it's unlikely. It's a fictional character. Sci-fi it's a very simple quote. Okay. Ready? Whoever cares. The most wins, Speaker 1: 4:30 Whoever cares the most wins. It's a show. Um, does the show have star in the title? Speaker 2: 4:36 It does. Holy. Wait. Oh , that's that matches a whole bunch of shows. <laugh> Speaker 1: 4:44 Uh , it does. I'm I'm gonna zone in on star Trek. I think that's where we're going. No , no , no . Speaker 2: 4:49 Don't do that Speaker 1: 4:50 Battle star . Galatica you got Speaker 2: 4:53 It. This is Joseph Adamma will Adama's dad. Right? And he was a notorious civil liberties lawyer on capric Africa . Anyway, those are the three quotes. Speaker 1: 5:02 Okay . The three quotes are about change life beaten you down and spitting you out and whoever wants it more wins. I , um, I give up Speaker 2: 5:15 <laugh> I give up and the topic is tenacity. Speaker 1: 5:19 That's pretty good. But I was supposed to get tenacity from that tenacity. Mm-hmm <affirmative> why would you bring up tenacity? Speaker 2: 5:26 I don't know . Cause I'm definitely not feeling tenacious recently. What's the difference between giving in and giving up, Speaker 1: 5:31 Giving in means giving up on resisting temptation. Okay . And okay . Giving up is about walking away. Speaker 2: 5:40 Absolutely. Now, like I've been trying to keep tenacious, keep a firm grip definition of tenacious. The quality of being able to graph grip something firmly within one's hands. Speaker 1: 5:51 Okay. Listen, let's let's keep your firm grip outta this for a second. <laugh> let's take the theme of, let's take the theme of manifesting and let's take the theme of tenacity and let's manifest tenacity. That's what being a anxious is. It's just getting on with it even when you don't want to. And you just need to, Speaker 2: 6:08 How does that work? Because I know sometimes largely I just act out of , it's almost like autopilot. You just go on, you go on because you're going and that momentum gives you momentum. It's like getting outta bed. Speaker 1: 6:19 Yes. So how do you overcome inertia is what you're saying? What is 10 tenacity? Tenacity is about overcoming inertia in your life, huh ? Huh ? I think that tenacity is, you know , convincing yourself to start something when you don't want to . And so it's it . It perfect . That's Speaker 2: 6:35 Perfect. Cuz right now, man, I'll tell you quite honestly, I'm feeling just not creative. I wanna talk to you. But now for some reason I had the mind in my mind, this has gotta be a good podcast and it just deflated all my energies. Like. Speaker 1: 6:49 No . Um , I don't have no you're you're wrong. Like first of all , they're all bad. So let's start with that. Speaker 2: 6:53 <laugh> <laugh> like how you're serious when you say that , you know there's no lab , there's no smile in your face. Speaker 1: 7:03 No. Well they're, they're all bad. They're all bad . Speaker 2: 7:08 I think , Speaker 1: 7:09 I think it's sweet . I think it's sweet that we have a few people that love us very much that say, oh, that's great. I really enjoy. No, they don't. They don't , they don't, they don't . They enjoy it. They enjoy it because they enjoy us. They don't care what we have to say.

So it's about doing it though. This is the thing. If you look at most people, especially creative people who are yeah , good at what they do. Yeah. The thing they all have in common is they practice constantly and it doesn't matter if it's perfect. They've got this concept of just getting out and doing it. So for instance, yeah. I heard Jerry Seinfeld speak one time. About how in his process, he has to write a joke every day and the joke doesn't have to be great, but he writes one joke every single day. I don't know if he still does this. He must be like 70 years old. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but he writes a joke every day . Same thing with the Beatles. The Beatles are the greatest band of all time considered by many to be the greatest band of all time because they wrote and wrote and practiced and practiced. They spent so much time together writing and playing that they perfected the art. And so the, a way to get great at something isn't to be perfect. I saw this actually in an article about training as well, like doing good enough practice every day that wasn't perfectly working at the technique because the people who are chipping away every day had more time in the saddle. People who are constantly working on it. Even if it's just a little bit just chipping away using the principle of I'll forget who the author is. I I'm sorry. Um , there's a book on like successful habits. It's got this concept of don't be a zero, don't be a zero and don't be a zero means if whatever your goal is, when you wake up in the morning, do something so that you don't have a zero on the scoreboard. So if your goal is to work out , do one pushup. And even if you just do one pushup, you're done for the day. And so that's what tenacity is about to me. It's about not being a zero. It's about getting up in the morning and practicing what you're gonna do or taking action. Hmm . And not being a zero. And that's how you're tenacious. And so when we re relate it back to what we're doing right now is this great. Who cares? If it's great, what that it's great is not the point. The point is that we're doing it, we're gonna keep doing it every week. And eventually we might get good . We might not. I bet you though that if we did this 10,000 times, we would be excellent. Speaker 2: 9:28 I think you're right. We would. I think you're right. I think Speaker 1: 9:31 You're right, but it's not us. That's it's not us. That's special. It's the 10,000. It's our willingness to do the time. It's not, Speaker 2: 9:38 It's not about the outcome. Speaker 1: 9:39 No. And it's, and it's certainly, it's not about the outcome and it's certainly not about rising to the moment or anything stupid like that. It's just doing it. So Speaker 2: 9:47 It's Bo it's boring in some ways when you describe it , that way, it kind of, it's elusive to some maybe because it's not the movie quote, it's not the like , uh , the background music where I'm rising up. It's just like roll outta bed and get, get your , get your shoes on Speaker 1: 10:00 Greatness is boring. Greatness is boring. I think that the thing with greatness is that it's really just people who have a lot of practice at something, having an opportunity to use their practice in a way that is useful. And , and it doesn't seem like greatness to them. It's just more practice. So I think just sticking through it and battling through it and doing it. That's tenacity. Speaker 2: 10:24 I think, I think, you know what ? You're on . You're onto something too. If you look at my craziness of my work, a lot of it is just moving it forward by one step and that's it. I mean, that's, I think that's taken from Oprah Oprah with , Speaker 1: 10:34 Okay, let's go down that path. Who , who are people that you look up to that you had model yourself after Speaker 2: 10:42 That list has dwindled recently? Uh , my heroes have come, come off. The list Speaker 1: 10:47 Will Smith was , will Smith on the list. Speaker 3: 10:50 <laugh> Speaker 2: 10:53 So I , I don't know like who is it that I would, okay. Maybe you , you go first. Cause I can't think of anyone really. Um, Speaker 1: 10:59 You know, I'm gonna go , uh , people who inspire me, honestly, my children, they all have these interesting traits, make them really special. What's cool about children is they're not spoiled by life and expectation yet. You know, they're just sort of pretty true to who they are. I see traits in each of them. I wish that I could live more that way every day . And then they also challenge me in a way that I'm not accustomed to being challenged. I think they're making me a better, more empathetic person out in the world. And that's just, wow , well Speaker 2: 11:35 That is not a answer. I would expect it . In fact, it it's , uh , makes me reflect on my own life and think that yeah, that my kids have that, but I wouldn't come up with that answer . Speaker 1: 11:42 I'm definitely a better person now for having these three little in my life. Speaker 3: 11:47 <laugh> Speaker 1: 11:49 So Speaker 2: 11:50 Wow, man. That's great. I , well, I can't chase that, so I'm not gonna say my daughter Speaker 1: 11:54 Or myself . Yeah, you can't now I took it. <laugh> Speaker 2: 11:58 Uh , it's six minutes left. What do you wanna do? Speaker 1: 12:00 Yeah, I gotta go. I've got , uh , I have to, I've got an appointment for my hair. Speaker 2: 12:04 I can . I have , I can . How many times you , Speaker 1: 12:08 I gotta gotta do my hair, so, Speaker 2: 12:11 Okay . Positive note and then deposit , wrap this up for me. I , I don't know how to, I don't have to wrap up first Speaker 1: 12:16 Every , every weekends this way . Connor wrap this up for , I don't know how to wrap this up. Speaker 2: 12:20 Okay . Wrap it up. I don't know how to wrap it up. Speaker 1: 12:22 Listen, we did it. It wasn't great. It never is. It doesn't matter. We did it. And if we keep doing it eventually, maybe there might be something good there. That's what tenacity is cool. It's about doing it. It's about the grind. It's not about big moments Speaker 2: 12:39 And that's the name of the , the , the title of the podcast, the grind Speaker 1: 12:42 Grind. Anyway, I had fun. Troy did you? Speaker 2: 12:46 I did, man . I always have fun with you . Nice to see you . You Speaker 1: 12:50 Have a good week .