บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Episode 'D' for Daintree - How universities shape the COP with Rose Armour

people weren't having because we were all closing in and not traveling and not attending conferences and not working together on things. 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.879 So they created this and it's it's always had a pretty heavy Oceana focus to it. 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:09.439 We have about eight universities in of our 40 in Australia. 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:19.599 We have a couple of universities in Auckland, and we have the University of the Southern of South Pacific in uh Fiji are members of the of the Alliance. 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:21.520 Wonderful. 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:25.360 And so really UNSW was where it all started. 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:32.400 And uh I'd I'm interested to know, though, about the actual organization, the IUCA. 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:36.479 Is it an accredited organization with the UNF CCC? 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.800 And is that how you manage to attend and get registered? 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:51.120 And are other members of the organization or other universities that are members of the alliance, are they able to register to attend the COP under the IUCA? 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:54.159 We actually are not an accredited organization. 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.400 So to be an accredited organization, you have to be a recognized nonprofit organization. 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:03.599 And we do not have our um, we are not a charity organization or a nonprofit organization. 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:09.520 We work through the um the university that is hosting us's accreditation. 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:15.919 So right now, I am working through the University of Reading in the UK, the their accreditation. 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:20.879 But we have of our 40 universities, about 25 of them have their own accreditation. 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:29.120 So universities are accredited through Ringo, which is the research and independent NGO constituency group. 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:38.079 And so more than half of our universities are members, are are accredited and do have um uh delegations going to cop events. 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:38.879 Right. 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.319 You mentioned the Ringo constituency. 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:54.079 They have a whole setup, don't they, when at the at the COP they have sort of like briefing meetings and they bring all the different research and university people together. 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.120 So how does that work? 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.000 And do you do you work with them on the ground at the COP? 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.800 How do you do you attend their sort of gatherings? 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:08.160 Yes, Ringo is essential to universities' engagement in the entire UNFCCC process. 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:20.079 So they are they're super helpful in helping to navigate this extremely complex process that the UNFCCC works through. 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:44.560 And so they help you not just during COPS, but they help you throughout the year to understand when there's opportunities to get to provide submissions, when there's meetings to um attend on different topics that the, you know, the negotiations are happening throughout the year and they're getting more information and and asking for information from researchers and and and trying to trying to collect this information throughout the year. 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:51.600 And Ringo really helps all of their universities that are accredited to understand that, sends out notices when something's happened. 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.639 They have a listserv that they share information for. 00:05:54.720 --> 00:06:13.120 And one of the when I um in previous to this role here at the University of Reading in 2023, I was based out of a university in the United Arab Emirates and what and I was secunded to head of climate education for the presidency for COP28. 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:18.879 And Ringo was key in helping us understand the and and getting out information. 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:32.720 They do a every year right before COP, they do a what to watch for webinar series that they're doing, but they also do that right before Bonn, which happens in, which is the one of the other meetings during the year that happen in June. 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:33.600 Exactly. 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.720 So, and and that one is really about the research and the scientist. 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:51.199 That one's much more about bringing researchers together and and having those discussions and having those workshops to talk through some of the some of the issues and some of the different topics that that people need to know more about to be able to do the negotiations. 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.439 So Ringo is key in all of that. 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.279 And we do work closely with them. 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:04.879 I I developed a really good relationship with Beth Martin, who is one of the focal points at Ringo when I was working in at COP28, and I've continued to work with her since then. 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:13.439 And and Melissa Lowe is another one of the focal points, and she is at the National University of Singapore, which is a member of the Alliance. 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:17.920 So I also work with her on some of the work that we're doing. 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:36.319 So it must be quite challenging, is it, to not only, I mean, assemble together all the various university people and researchers who are actually at the COP, but as you say, in the lead up during the year, how how do you communicate with such a diverse group of people? 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:44.480 I mean, we know that there are thousands of delegates going to be arriving in Antalya over the next few days and attending the COP. 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.199 You know, how do you know who's going to be there? 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:51.040 What advice do you have for those that are not yet connected? 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:56.079 So it's it's hard to know who's going to be there, even within

our 40 universities. 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.879 And like I said, just 25 of them have accreditation. 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.439 It's hard to pull together all of those. 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.279 So we're working with our universities. 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.040 We're trying to communicate with them and trying to get them to let us know who's going. 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:15.680 We've created a WhatsApp group to have all of the all of our members in there in that group so that we can communicate and talk about and just share what is your expertise? 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.040 What are you going to be there for? 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:18.000 Who are you going to be? 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:19.600 Because we really want to connect people. 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:30.560 And I think that that's one of the most valuable components that comes out of any conference you go to, but especially COP, is to finding those people that are researching and had the same interests. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:38.000 So I think one of the things that's really where Ringo is so important is those morning meetings, bringing everyone together. 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:45.039 No one person can follow all of the negotiations and all of the topics happening at a COP event. 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:54.000 So Ringo has suggests that you find one or two topics that you want to follow and then follow those in the depth in as much depth as you can. 00:08:54.159 --> 00:09:05.039 So then they have at those morning meetings, they have someone report out what's happening so far in those negotiations, what is to be expected for today, what, you know, and also just where things are. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:11.600 Because there's just, you know, there's over a probably there's probably 80 pavilions that are going to be there there. 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.080 And that's in a blue zone and a green zone, and you have to be accredited to go to the different ones. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.679 And then there's the negotiations happening and all of those kinds of things. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:24.639 So just knowing what rooms things are in and where to go on that, it's huge. 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:31.600 So Ringo is a linchpin for researchers to be able to really understand what's happening and all of that. 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:42.399 And so we're trying to take some of the models that they've used with their WhatsApp group and with what they're doing to try to coordinate with our smaller group to bring us together as much as possible. 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:50.480 And I'm trying to organize an event that brings all of us together because we're also as a global organization, we don't have, we don't have an annual conference. 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:54.240 We're, we don't come together as a group except for virtually. 00:09:54.399 --> 00:10:03.120 So this is really an opportunity for me for the first time since just taking over the Secretariat in 26, for me to meet many of these people that I've been talking to all year face to face. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:08.399 So really excited to try to get together and to create these um these opportunities for sharing. 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:14.240 Now you mentioned some of the other key events that happened during the year in between the COPS. 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.720 One of those is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:19.279 Yes. 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:31.039 And that that obviously also is uh an event that where where climate researchers and scientists are are critical at providing input into that IPCC process. 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.519 Can you describe the ways in which IUCA helps them to do that? 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:55.279 So one of the things that when we took over uh when the when the secretariat came to the University of Writing, one of the first things that I did was uh to have a conversation with all of our members to try to figure out where the um where they would like to see the secretariat and and the alliance go from moving forward. 00:10:55.440 --> 00:11:04.720 And one of the things that Chase at UNSW and um the staff at UNSW really worked on is trying to decipher this COP. 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:06.639 You know, what does this really mean? 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.120 How do you how can you have influence? 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.600 How can you engage in that process? 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.200 So we're taking that forward. 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:29.840 And we actually just had a webinar last, gosh, last week, I believe it was, on and it was called Beyond the Side event that, you know, that COP and the research and everything that happens, there's so much opportunity to get engaged beyond just at an actual COP and having the accreditation to get there. 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:48.159 So one of the things that the IPCC does and the June visit, the the Substa in Bonn and some of these other things, they continually have discussions and they continually have workshops and they can they have um you can become an IPCC author, but you can also be a reviewer. 00:11:48.240 --> 00:12:01.440 There's so many different points of contact that a researcher can have in the process of being to provide input into the science that the UNFCCC is using to make decisions. 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:15.360 And so as the the IPCC authors, that is, and the and it takes about, I want to say seven years, I could be wrong, but it takes a long time for those work groups to get the next edition of the information coming out. 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:19.440 So there's multiple work groups looking at different topics, working through that. 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.759 And all of this is bringing together existing science. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:30.480 One of the things that the UNFCCC doesn't really do is they don't commission people to do new research on things. 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:39.759 So it's everyone bringing the existing science that is that

is out there that has been tested, that is being that is being used to look at this. 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:44.720 So the IPCC authors look at all of the research out there. 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:51.759 Let's say on the I know that one of the work groups is working on indigenous people and um indigenous knowledge. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:13:03.679 So they're looking and doing all kinds of research on what information is out there on indigenous knowledge, putting that together and then developing uh information on that. 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.919 But then a researcher could come in afterwards and review that. 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:14.320 So let's say that I am American and let's say that I work with Native American populations in Wisconsin. 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.600 I could come to them and say, where does my knowledge fit into this? 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:19.360 And I could review that information. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:30.639 So you really have, there really are so many touch points that really do dive really deep into different areas of knowledge that most researchers could find a way to contribute to it. 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:37.919 But it's just understanding that process and understanding where you can engage because it's it, like I said, it's super, it's super complex. 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.120 So, Rose, let's get back to the COP that's almost upon us. 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:52.240 And you're going to be there and organizing various side events and panels that workshops that you just mentioned. 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.480 Can you give us a few examples? 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:14.240 And for the benefit of those who are listeners who are not attending the COP, can you give us some way in which we can find out when and what time zone those events are happening and whether they're going to be available to view on a webcast or how can people actually engage live while the event is happening? 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:15.200 Absolutely. 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:24.080 So you and IUCA has organized, we have about 10 upside events that we are have organized or are co-organizing. 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:31.200 We have five events that are all focused on the agenda, which ACE is action for climate empowerment. 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:36.720 And that is really where education sits in the UNFCCC process. 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:45.120 So ACE has been going this year, has been going through their the Glasgow ACE fits under the Glasgow work program. 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:53.279 And the Glasgow Work Program has been doing their review and updating their work program for the next five years. 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.919 So we've really been working close with the ACE team. 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:03.120 Um at we did, we were there in Bonn, and then we did some of an event in London Climate Action Week and in Baku. 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:15.279 So we are do, we have five different sessions talking about different components of ACE, talking about one,

the University of Monash is leading a session on measuring impact from the ACE work plan. 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:17.919 So how do we measure, how do universities contribute to that? 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:18.799 How do we do that? 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.200 We have another one that's talking about green skills. 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:27.200 We have another one that's talking about how climate education it should be integrated into curriculum. 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.600 So we have a number of different sessions on that. 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:35.519 We additionally have we've helped to co-sponsor the Higher Education for Climate Action Pavilion. 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:41.200 So we have three spots there that will do one event on mis and disinformation. 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:48.960 We've recently earlier I mentioned that IUCA is really wants to be a trusted voice in climate science and in climate research. 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:55.679 And so one of the things that we're really focusing on is trying to figure out how we can minimize miss and disinformation. 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:04.559 So we have a, we've just recently will be putting out a brief that that our members at three of our universities came together and worked on, and that will come out in next week. 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:12.320 And then we'll have an event at COP talking about that, working with UNESCO has a global initiative on information integrity. 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:20.080 So we have someone from from that organization that'll be there to help us talk about and and and think about how we can work better on that. 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:27.200 Additionally, we have a session that is going to be led by the University of Melbourne that is keeping five alive. 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:35.360 And uh that's really looking at how the how all of the climate change is impacting the Pacific. 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:54.720 So we have representatives from the University of Melbourne, as I said, we have representatives from Marnash University, and we have representatives from UNSW on that side event that will be talking about the research that they're doing in the Pacific and and talking about the impacts that are being felt, um, if especially if we go as as we go past 1.5. 00:16:55.039 --> 00:17:20.160 And then finally, we have a session on energy transition and have a number of universities, some of them in Mel in the in um Australia, but also we have the Chinese University of Hong Kong, we have the University of Colorado Boulder, um, and a University of Reading representative on that panel talking about the energy transition and and how that is that will be progressing or how they're hoping that that can progress. 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:30.400 So in the notes with this episode, we'll post some links which are enable people to be able to find their way to those exact events. 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:36.960 And I think a lot of them are going to be webcast as well on the on the UNFCCC website. 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:47.839 So we'll provide some links to those as well so that people can listen to them either live or indeed after the event, they can hear the you know, watch the recording if you like. 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:49.200 That would be fantastic. 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:59.279 I will definitely I'll share the list of all the events and as I learn about any where they about any webcast or anything, I'm happy to share those because we'd love to have as many people as possible uh joining us. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:00.400 Brilliant. 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.119 Thanks very much. 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:06.079 Now tell us about a really exciting event that you're going to be organizing. 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:13.359 It's a 24-hour Wikipedia edit-thon, which is just in a couple of days' time, right? 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:14.960 So tell us all about that. 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:15.599 Yes. 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.039 So as I said, we are really looking at miss and disinformation. 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:25.039 So on uh and the session that we're gonna do on on miss and disinformation is on November 11th. 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:31.039 So as part of our day of miss and disinformation, we are doing this edit-a-thon on Wikipedia. 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:43.119 And you know, when I started to to work on this project, I didn't really appreciate how much Wikipedia, um, the information on Wikipedia really is impacting our knowledge. 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:48.000 Just because I personally don't, it's it's not a resource that I use a whole lot when I go to it. 00:18:48.160 --> 00:19:01.359 But then I started looking at all of every time you go online and do a Google search or do a search, that little AI overview that's coming up, so many times that's pulling from Wikipedia and it's pulling information from there. 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:06.960 So it really is key to making sure that the information is correct and up to date. 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:14.640 And I think, and so what we're gonna do is we have organized um a 24-hour period during a 24-hour period on the 11th. 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.079 We have six different sessions that are happening all day long. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.839 They're two-hour-long sessions that anyone can join them. 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.480 And you don't have to have any background, you don't have to have any expertise. 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:27.599 You can join. 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:33.359 You'll have a we have Wikipedia editing experts that will lead the session. 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:40.160 They'll tell them how to become an editor, how to um, and we have some topics, all climate focused. 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:52.880 We have topics that people are more than welcome to pick one and then dive deep into the pages on that, verifying that the links are working, verifying that the information is up to date, updating any information that isn't up to date. 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.200 And and this

Wikipedia expert will walk them through how to do all of this. 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.279 So this is kind of one of those events. 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.079 I I know that many people can't attend a cop. 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:11.599 I know that many students, especially since we work with so many universities, I know that so many students want to be able to do something and feel like there's nothing concrete they can do. 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:22.960 And this is a very clear, concrete action that you can do to make sure to reduce miss and disinformation about climate change and to make and that will actually have an impact. 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.680 And once you learn to be an editor, you can continue to do this. 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.799 You can um continue to be an editor on Wikipedia and continue to keep keep up on this work. 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:41.680 And so it's it's a really nice way that people can can come together and do something really meaningful and feel like they've they've had an impact with all this noise and all this chaos that's going on um around the time of COP. 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:48.799 Yeah, this sounds ideal way for students to to get involved and to feel part of the process as well. 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:54.799 But I guess that because it's two-hour windows, it it is essential that they do this live, right? 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:59.119 So it has to be at the particular during that particular 24-hour period. 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:05.680 So again, can we post some links about how people can log in to get engaged? 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:06.480 Absolutely. 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:13.839 So I'll just quickly say if you go to um universitiesforclimate.org and go to our events page, you can sign up there. 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:19.039 But I'll also share with you so you can put in the in the show notes how people can register for this. 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:27.920 And there, as I said, it's a global event, so there the events are happening all day long throughout the day that you can join any of them and be a part of it. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:34.720 And I understand that this is being done in association with the University of Exeter in the UK, is that right? 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:35.440 Yes, it is. 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:37.839 So interesting, and and this is where they all came up. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:57.759 Exeter has what is called a Wikipedian in residence, and this is actually something that um is done through Wikimedia, and there are a number of these around the world, these um Wikipedia experts that are collaborating with universities to help address the climate science or to help sci address science on Wikipedia. 00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:59.519 So it's a fantastic program. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:06.640 And a really exciting so yeah, we're doing it in collaboration with Wikimedia and with the University of Exeter, who is one of our members. 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:13.440 So now I'm hoping that you're going to be able to send us some updates from the COP when you arrive. 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:23.759 And we know how challenging it is just from the logistics of attending one of these events with thousands of delegates having to be registered and finding accommodation. 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:30.640 And as you said before, you know, just navigating your way around the huge, complex conference center is hard enough. 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:45.920 Give it just give us a little bit of a flavor of some of the challenges that you've been you've been facing trying to organize events happening in the in the green zone and how some of your delegates are going to be, maybe some of them included on government delegations in the blue zone. 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.359 How challenging has it been to really organize these events? 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.759 So all of the events that we have organized so far are all in the blue zone. 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:58.400 And the blue zone, it it's it's really fascinating if if you're not familiar with COP processes. 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:10.319 The blue zone is actually it's a part of the cop facility that is turned over to the UN when COP when it's when the COP starts. 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.400 So you're actually not in Turkey at that time. 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:16.480 You're in UN territory. 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.079 So to do that, it's kind of like you need your passport to get in. 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:27.119 So anyone who has a session in the blue zone has to be, has to have been badged to be in the blue zone. 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:28.720 So it's just like going through customs. 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:34.559 You have to have your passport, you have to give all this information, you have to get a visa, you have to, you know, get all of this stuff, and that's what gets you in. 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.000 So your badge is kind of your visa that gets you in to the blue zone. 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:39.920 So it's super complicated to get in there. 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:48.720 And so trying to find speakers and trying to organize all the speakers for our events, we have to make sure that they have blue blue zone access. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:57.039 And most of the most of our speakers either get that through, if they're affiliated with the university, they get it through their university. 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:01.359 But then we're working with some organizations like we have LinkedIn and things like that. 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:06.880 And so LinkedIn is an accredited organization and they have their own badges that they get into there. 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:19.599 We do have a couple of people that have gotten their badges through their um country of residence or their kind uh or their home country that they that they have also badges that they can get people into the blue zone. 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:24.480 So it's super complicated to try to make sure that everybody has that access.

00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:30.319 But that said, then once you're in the blue zone, then that there's a whole dynamic there. 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.519 And then outside of the blue zone, the green zone, which is open to the public, you usually have to register in some way, but it's open. 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.519 It's it's not limited per se. 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.960 And this is really focused towards it. 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.759 A lot of the trade show component of the event is there. 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:50.400 You have a lot of innovation spaces, knowledge hubs, those kinds of things. 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:55.200 But you also have usually have quite a bit of stuff for on climate education. 00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:05.440 So school children come and a bunch of different people come and it's open to the um citizens of Turkey if they register for it, or anyone can come to that space and do that. 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.240 So it is it's a lot of moving parts. 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:20.640 It's it can be very complicated, as I keep on mentioning, but it it seems to usually come together very much at the last moment, but it usually comes together and seems seems to work and and happen on the ground. 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:26.079 It can look like chaos, but it can also start to get you start to get a little bit of clarity once you get there. 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:36.240 Well, that'll be really useful information for those that are actually arriving in the next couple of days in Antalya at the COP, helping them to find their way around. 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:48.000 It'll also be useful for others who are listening who are not attending the COP, but who are able to then tune in to observe on some of the sessions that you're talking about. 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:59.279 Just let's go back quickly to the role of the Ringo constituency group uh that brings together all the various research and independent NGOs. 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:12.799 We know that they are responsible for delivering a speech, for instance, in plenary, when the observer organizations and the constituency groups are given the opportunity to actually address the governments directly. 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:31.519 Are you going to be involved or how can you be involved in the process of actually deliberating among all your colleagues about what's going to be the content of that speech, that intervention in the plenary sessions, and who's going to be the person chosen to actually give that speech? 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.599 It's usually the focal points that give that speech most often. 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:44.960 And oftentimes they will they'll do call-outs for information on different sessions or different topics of the negotiations. 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:53.519 So I have, as I mentioned, um IUCA has really been one of the lead organizations working and following the ACE agenda this year. 00:26:53.680 --> 00:27:10.400 So if there were any questions or anything like that, I would they would ask if anyone wants to put any information in or put any recommendations in, and then I would submit to them in writing what we think the rec what our recommendations are for this, and they would compile that into the larger statement. 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:17.599 So back in at the beginning of October, we one of the uh the ACE agenda for the ACE agenda, they asked for submission. 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:37.359 So we IUCA in collaboration with another organization called Climate Network of Networks, which is one of it's a net, it it there's there's many of these climate or networks like IUCA and the Australian Cop Alliance, and there's a number of different ones. 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.440 So this is where we all kind of come together. 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:44.799 And so we submitted some some um some recommendations for higher education within the ACE agenda. 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.079 So we would really call on that and and provide that information to them. 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:58.799 But every topic, somebody is a specialist on different on finance or on capacity building, and they would submit the their suggestions on that for Ringo to then compile all of that. 00:27:59.279 --> 00:27:59.519 Great. 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:09.039 Well, when that statement is finalized and ready to be published, uh we we can also post a link to that on on our on the notes for this episode. 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:16.240 But in the meantime, I'd like to thank you very much, Rose Armour, for joining us today on Bulla COP31. 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:24.640 And I wish you all the very best and good luck for your travels and your participation at COP31 in Antalya in the next couple of days. 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:30.720 Well, thank you so much for for having me and for giving me the opportunity to highlight some of the opportunities. 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:38.880 Um, and I hope that people are able to join the edit a thon or if they're going to COP with one of the universities, I hope to talk to them there. 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.880 And on behalf of Heidi and myself, Bullock 31