บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Nikki Haley: The Real Reason I Left Trump’s Cabinet

queen. 36 00:01:58.457 --> 00:01:59.558 And why? 37 00:02:00.908 --> 00:02:03.629 Each side would be upset if they were in it. 38 00:02:04.250 --> 00:02:06.471 And she said, well, is there nothing you can do? 39 00:02:06.571 --> 00:02:07.972 And she said, no, I'm sorry. 40 00:02:08.432 --> 00:02:10.353 She said, but we'll give them a concession. 41 00:02:10.653 --> 00:02:12.374 And so they gave me a beach ball. 42 00:02:12.474 --> 00:02:16.636 And my mom just said, can she at least, can Nikki at least do her talent? 43 00:02:18.058 --> 00:02:19.819 And they agreed to it. 44 00:02:20.299 --> 00:02:24.041 And my talent was, this land is your land, this land is my land. 45 00:02:24.101 --> 00:02:26.562 I mean, it was a song I sang, so I sang it. 46 00:02:26.722 --> 00:02:28.963 But I swore off pageants after that. 47 00:02:29.083 --> 00:02:29.863 It was brutal. 48 00:02:30.564 --> 00:02:32.164 But, you know, that was the time back then. 49 00:02:32.224 --> 00:02:35.326 You know, when you said, this land is your land, it made me emotional. 50 00:02:36.880 --> 00:02:38.520 I hadn't captured that part of the story. 51 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:39.100 I didn't know that. 52 00:02:39.140 --> 00:02:41.001 That's so ironic and so crazy. 53 00:02:41.601 --> 00:02:52.543 And in some ways, I think it defines who you are, like that you said no, because you're not, I like to talk because I'm very impressed with you, first this, first that, but you're not an identitarian person. 54 00:02:52.563 --> 00:02:53.743 You're just Nikki Haley. 55 00:02:53.763 --> 00:02:54.103 Yeah. 56 00:02:54.503 --> 00:02:59.244 And that's, you almost said, that's not going to happen again to other Americans. 57 00:02:59.264 --> 00:03:01.524 Like I'm going to build together. 58 00:03:01.544 --> 00:03:02.685 I was on the playground. 59 00:03:02.725 --> 00:03:04.945 I was in second grade school. 60 00:03:05.641 --> 00:03:07.661 I had skipped a grade. 61 00:03:08.802 --> 00:03:12.943 And so it was a new group that I was trying to be friends with. 62 00:03:13.483 --> 00:03:15.783 And every recess, we would go out and play kickball. 63 00:03:16.343 --> 00:03:19.564 And so we went out after lunch going to play kickball. 64 00:03:20.064 --> 00:03:25.205 And all of a sudden, I looked and I saw everybody on the other side of me. 65 00:03:26.245 --> 00:03:27.766 And I said, are we going to play kickball? 66 00:03:27.806 --> 00:03:30.486 And they said, we are, but are you? 67 00:03:31.227 --> 00:03:32.987 And they said, you have to pick a team. 68 00:03:34.235 --> 00:03:36.617 and there was a black team and there was a white team. 69 00:03:37.878 --> 00:03:47.246 And I didn't know exactly how to deal with that, and I remember going and grabbing the ball and running and saying, I'm both. 70 00:03:47.666 --> 00:03:53.992 Like, it was just one of those things, but it was so- And also it was not I'm neither, it was I'm both. 71 00:03:54.012 --> 00:03:54.993 That says so much about you. 72 00:03:55.313

--> 00:04:00.357 When I arrived into San Antonio, Texas, in my public high school, Robert Lee High School, nonetheless, 73 00:04:01.418 --> 00:04:05.741 Also, the black kids would sit here, the white kids would sit here, and they wouldn't talk to each other. 74 00:04:05.961 --> 00:04:11.024 One day would sit with the black kids, one with the Hispanics, one with the whites, one with the jocks, one with the drama kids. 75 00:04:11.064 --> 00:04:15.047 And this young woman, Amber Alonzo, who I had a crush on, she was a punk rocker. 76 00:04:15.427 --> 00:04:17.348 She's like, Daniel, you need to define yourself. 77 00:04:17.368 --> 00:04:19.029 You have to choose one group or the other. 78 00:04:19.130 --> 00:04:20.330 And I'm like, I never chose. 79 00:04:20.971 --> 00:04:22.452 And it was constantly in front of us. 80 00:04:22.492 --> 00:04:24.373 Do you remember like the standardized tests? 81 00:04:24.773 --> 00:04:27.615 They would have black, white, and other groups. 82 00:04:27.755 --> 00:04:29.036 And I was always another. 83 00:04:29.497 --> 00:04:33.440 You know, it was one of those things that you were constantly reminded you were different. 84 00:04:33.960 --> 00:04:37.123 And we were the only Indian family in that small town. 85 00:04:37.583 --> 00:04:38.364 So we felt it. 86 00:04:38.404 --> 00:04:39.965 I mean, my father wore a turban. 87 00:04:40.185 --> 00:04:41.366 My mother wore a sari. 88 00:04:41.466 --> 00:04:43.468 So we stood out. 89 00:04:43.528 --> 00:04:45.630 So you're not like because the Nikki Haley, you see, you seem... 90 00:04:46.110 --> 00:04:51.214 You feel the quintessential America and your accent is not like my accent. 91 00:04:51.695 --> 00:04:54.357 You feel like very South Carolina. 92 00:04:54.397 --> 00:04:57.299 But as a kid, were you wearing saris also? 93 00:04:57.379 --> 00:04:58.260 No, I wasn't. 94 00:04:58.400 --> 00:05:06.927 But, you know, because we were the only Indian family and because my parents looked the way they did, they didn't know who we were, what we were, why we were there. 95 00:05:06.947 --> 00:05:07.047 Yeah. 96 00:05:07.767 --> 00:05:10.432 And I would get teased on the playground and bullied. 97 00:05:10.532 --> 00:05:14.118 And I remember when I would come home, my mom was very stern with me. 98 00:05:14.238 --> 00:05:17.143 And she'd say, your job is not to show them how you're different. 99 00:05:17.544 --> 00:05:19.447 Your job is to show them how you're similar. 100 00:05:20.267 --> 00:05:31.397 And so it's amazing how that lesson on the playground played throughout my life, whether it was in business, whether it was when I was governor, whether it was ambassador, you know, or you go on to be president. 101 00:05:31.818 --> 00:05:39.004 I'm so grateful for that lesson from the playground, because what I've found is whenever you have a challenge. 102 00:05:40.084 --> 00:05:46.566 If you first acknowledge with the person who's challenging you the things you have in common, people put their guard down. 103 00:05:47.026 --> 00:05:49.107 And then you can actually have a conversation. 104 00:05:49.527 --> 00:05:59.550 So this actually, if you think of the United Nations, when I had to go and debate, you know, or deal, we were trying to pass the largest set of sanctions against a country in a generation with North Korea. 105 00:05:59.750 --> 00:06:02.011 And the only way I could get that done was with China. 106 00:06:02.151 --> 00:06:03.911 And China didn't want to move on that. 107 00:06:04.551 --> 00:06:05.712 And what I knew was... 108 00:06:06.632 --> 00:06:14.992 China didn't want war on the peninsula, and China didn't want regime change with North Korea because all the North Koreans would want to go into China. 109 00:06:15.802 --> 00:06:20.624 And so before we even started the negotiations, I just said, let's make one thing clear. 110 00:06:21.284 --> 00:06:27.227 I said, I want to make sure that we prevent more and we do whatever it takes to prevent more. 111 00:06:27.347 --> 00:06:32.929 And you should know that this administration has no interest in regime change with Kim Jong-un. 112 00:06:33.470 --> 00:06:36.571 We just want to make sure that the nuclear activity stops. 113 00:06:37.051 --> 00:06:39.693 And then all of a sudden you could see them relax a little bit. 114 00:06:39.733 --> 00:06:46.677 So, you know, I've learned that whether it's business or anything else, you have to think the way your opponent thinks. 115 00:06:46.777 --> 00:06:48.338 You have to disarm them. 116 00:06:48.418 --> 00:06:53.361 And the only way you do that is if you get inside what they're thinking, what they want and what their goals are. 117 00:06:53.782 --> 00:06:54.982 And then you can work through it. 118 00:06:55.283 --> 00:06:58.745 So let me ask you a tricky question because I was thinking about this a lot. 119 00:06:59.245 --> 00:07:05.429 Part of why you were so good at the United Nations is because you really developed those personal bonds, relationships, understood them. 120 00:07:05.629 --> 00:07:06.750 It's not about us versus them. 121 00:07:06.770 --> 00:07:10.592 It's about listening and then trying to advance America's interests. 122 00:07:10.992 --> 00:07:16.516 President Trump thinks that his relationship with Putin, his relationship with Xi... 123 00:07:17.436 --> 00:07:21.359 is making him develop such deep bonds that he gets to accomplish what he wants. 124 00:07:21.939 --> 00:07:29.925 A lot of people think that they take advantage of him thinking that they're best friends, and whether it's Ukraine or other issues, it doesn't work. 125 00:07:30.305 --> 00:07:37.490 How do you as a leader figure out when you are advancing the interests, whether it's when they're playing you, and how do you think through that? 126 00:07:37.738 --> 00:07:41.141 So it's different in business than it is in foreign policy. 127 00:07:41.241 --> 00:07:44.764 When you are in business, you want to build relationships. 128

00:07:44.784 --> 00:07:47.587 You want to have those, you know, that's considered an asset. 129 00:07:47.607 --> 00:07:49.648 That's considered something you'll use down the road. 130 00:07:49.728 --> 00:07:54.973 When you're dealing with foreign policy, it's important to know who it is you're interacting with. 131 00:07:55.173 --> 00:07:59.254 There was never any issue with me knowing that Russia was not our friend. 132 00:07:59.595 --> 00:08:04.856 There was never any issue with me knowing that China wanted to dominate the world and we were standing in their way. 133 00:08:05.177 --> 00:08:11.919 There was never any issue with me understanding that North Korea was determined to have their way with South Korea. 134 00:08:11.939 --> 00:08:14.480 There was never an issue with me knowing that Iran... 135 00:08:15.300 --> 00:08:17.961 wanted to see Israel and the U.S. eliminated. 136 00:08:18.361 --> 00:08:20.101 Those were very clear to me. 137 00:08:20.561 --> 00:08:31.663 Now, I still had to work with multiple countries, and I always tell people when I went to the United Nations, every day it felt like I was putting on body armor because I knew there would be a fight. 138 00:08:31.703 --> 00:08:33.683 I just didn't know what country we were fighting that day. 139 00:08:33.764 --> 00:08:41.045 The differences and the reason that I was able to get as much done there and that I was respected there was, 140 00:08:41.937 --> 00:08:43.937 was it wasn't about them liking me. 141 00:08:44.478 --> 00:08:45.678 That was not my goal. 142 00:08:46.598 --> 00:08:48.918 What I wanted is for them to respect America. 143 00:08:49.098 --> 00:08:55.300 And so the way I got them to respect America is I always told them the truth, even if they didn't want to hear it. 144 00:08:55.860 --> 00:08:56.940 It was hard truths. 145 00:08:57.140 --> 00:08:59.521 They knew if they came to me, they were going to get the truth. 146 00:08:59.901 --> 00:09:01.221 They were going to get my intentions. 147 00:09:01.241 --> 00:09:05.082 They were going to get where America stood, what America was for, what America wasn't. 148 00:09:05.402 --> 00:09:09.242 And if they didn't do what we wanted, they knew I'd call them out on it because I proved it. 149 00:09:09.623 --> 00:09:11.403 And if they did do what we wanted, 150 00:09:11.983 --> 00:09:15.165 I was going to embrace them and call them to be the ally that they were. 151 00:09:15.585 --> 00:09:17.606 And so it's different than relationships. 152 00:09:17.746 --> 00:09:24.269 I think you have to be very clear eyed when you're dealing with adversaries that you know what they're up to. 153 00:09:24.650 --> 00:09:27.131 They need to know that you know what they're up to. 154 00:09:27.471 --> 00:09:31.253 And also they need to know not to push you with allies. 155 00:09:31.733 --> 00:09:39.117 You have to be a truth teller, too, because what I saw at the United Nations, everybody wanted the U.S. to do everything. 156 00:09:39.517 --> 00:09:42.238 You know, countries would say, we want to get this done. 157 00:09:42.318 --> 00:09:43.199 It'd be a great idea. 158 00:09:43.219 --> 00:09:44.639 And they were like, we need you to do it. 159 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.001 And I would always say, you do it. 160 00:09:47.301 --> 00:09:48.321 We'll support you in it. 161 00:09:48.581 --> 00:09:49.802 We're not leading on that. 162 00:09:50.202 --> 00:09:51.863 You want to embolden your allies. 163 00:09:51.883 --> 00:09:53.023 You want to lift them up. 164 00:09:53.284 --> 00:09:54.524 Let them do the work. 165 00:09:54.784 --> 00:09:55.645 We'll support it. 166 00:09:55.965 --> 00:09:58.686 And when it comes to your enemies, they pay attention to that. 167 00:09:59.166 --> 00:10:00.307 So going back to. 168 00:10:01.107 --> 00:10:01.807 digesting. 169 00:10:02.587 --> 00:10:06.668 I do remember when you were ambassador to the United Nations, everybody was in awe. 170 00:10:07.209 --> 00:10:11.229 The accomplishments that you had were off the charts from both sides. 171 00:10:11.810 --> 00:10:14.470 Democrats and Republicans were in awe at what you were accomplishing. 172 00:10:14.850 --> 00:10:16.311 Did you just learn on the job? 173 00:10:16.331 --> 00:10:17.911 Because you, am I right? 174 00:10:17.951 --> 00:10:21.692 You jumped from governor to United Nations ambassador. 175 00:10:22.152 --> 00:10:24.753 How did you develop and ramp up to get that knowledge? 176 00:10:24.813 --> 00:10:26.633 And where did that backbone come from? 177 00:10:27.192 --> 00:10:33.057 You know, I would love to say that I had this history of foreign policy and all that. 178 00:10:33.257 --> 00:10:33.737 I didn't. 179 00:10:34.418 --> 00:10:35.719 I knew how to lead a state. 180 00:10:36.299 --> 00:10:37.740 I knew domestic policy. 181 00:10:38.221 --> 00:10:43.645 I did not know foreign policy, but I knew that I loved America, was determined to defend her. 182 00:10:44.065 --> 00:10:47.168 And I had to learn as much as I could as fast as I could. 183 00:10:47.328 --> 00:10:51.091 And the way that I did that was I set myself up for success. 184 00:10:51.171 --> 00:10:54.093 When President Trump called me and asked me to do the job. 185 00:10:54.333 --> 00:10:55.374 He called you out of the blue? 186 00:10:55.924 --> 00:10:59.669 So I got a call from his chief of staff, Reince Priebus. 187 00:11:00.801 --> 00:11:04.602 I was about to be the head of the Republican Governors Association at the time. 188 00:11:04.702 --> 00:11:08.423 And he called me and he said, Nikki, the president wants you to come see him in New York. 189 00:11:08.543 --> 00:11:10.944 And I said, OK, what's this about? 190 00:11:11.604 --> 00:11:14.185 And he said, well, he wants to talk to you about secretary of state. 191 00:11:14.205 --> 00:11:16.505 And I said, right, I'm a governor. 192 00:11:16.605 --> 00:11:17.886 I can't be secretary of state. 193 00:11:17.906 --> 00:11:19.646 And he said, well, he wants to see you. 194

00:11:19.666 --> 00:11:20.926 So you just need to come up here. 195 00:11:20.986 --> 00:11:26.688 So I went up to New York and I had endorsed Marco Rubio in that race. 196 00:11:26.988 --> 00:11:28.688 But Trump and I had been friends. 197 00:11:29.108 --> 00:11:29.868 I had known him. 198 00:11:30.709 --> 00:11:33.269 He had supported me in my first run for governor. 199 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:37.670 And so when I saw him, you know, he said, well, I guess your guy didn't win. 200 00:11:38.590 --> 00:11:40.310 And, you know, that was his dig. 201 00:11:40.730 --> 00:11:43.231 I talked to him and I said, look, I'm not your person. 202 00:11:43.551 --> 00:11:46.331 You know, you don't need someone with a learning curve. 203 00:11:46.451 --> 00:11:48.792 You need someone who can get to work right away. 204 00:11:49.012 --> 00:11:50.752 But I will do what I can to help you. 205 00:11:51.032 --> 00:11:52.492 Fast forward a couple of days. 206 00:11:52.812 --> 00:11:55.493 Ryan's called and he said, don't say anything. 207 00:11:55.533 --> 00:11:56.133 Just listen. 208 00:11:57.113 --> 00:11:57.514 U.S. 209 00:11:57.594 --> 00:11:59.336 Ambassador to the United Nations. 210 00:11:59.836 --> 00:12:02.579 I said, Reince, I don't even know what the United Nations does. 211 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.141 I just know everybody hates it. 212 00:12:04.902 --> 00:12:06.964 And he said, well, the president's going to call you on Monday. 213 00:12:07.004 --> 00:12:08.465 You need to be ready with an answer. 214 00:12:09.346 --> 00:12:14.191 And so Michael and I kind of looked it up and looked at all of what it was going to be. 215 00:12:14.792 --> 00:12:18.756 And then when the president called on Monday, he said, all right, Nick, are you going to do this? 216 00:12:19.617 --> 00:12:21.940 And I said, well, it'd have to be on three conditions. 217 00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:22.861 And he said, what? 218 00:12:22.941 --> 00:12:26.064 And I said, number one, I don't want to work for anyone. 219 00:12:26.084 --> 00:12:26.845 I've been a governor. 220 00:12:26.905 --> 00:12:28.427 I want to work directly with you. 221 00:12:29.048 --> 00:12:30.670 So I'd need to be a cabinet member. 222 00:12:31.090 --> 00:12:31.751 He said, done. 223 00:12:32.211 --> 00:12:32.632 What else? 224 00:12:33.092 --> 00:12:34.634 I said, well, I'm a policy girl. 225 00:12:34.874 --> 00:12:36.836 So I'd want to be in the room when decisions are made. 226 00:12:36.877 --> 00:12:39.419 So I want to be on your National Security Council. 227 00:12:40.040 --> 00:12:40.700 He said, done. 228 00:12:41.001 --> 00:12:43.522 And I said, well, I'm not going to be a wallflower or a talking head. 229 00:12:43.682 --> 00:12:45.884 I need to be able to do what I think. 230 00:12:46.424 --> 00:12:50.687 And I will tell you, Daniel, if you're going to do something, be great at it or don't do it. 231 00:12:50.887 --> 00:12:53.749 And I studied and studied and studied. 232 00:12:53.969 --> 00:12:57.151 And I was, I have no problem being humble about it. 233 00:12:57.311 --> 00:12:58.812 If we were going to go talk about... 234 00:12:59.332 --> 00:13:05.136 something in the security council, a certain country, I'd have all the experts come with a map, go through everything. 235 00:13:05.677 --> 00:13:08.119 And I read all the time. 236 00:13:08.299 --> 00:13:10.160 I studied, I asked questions. 237 00:13:10.620 --> 00:13:12.642 I surrounded myself with smart people. 238 00:13:13.002 --> 00:13:14.283 And then I followed my gut. 239 00:13:14.523 --> 00:13:21.828 Then it was just fighting for what I believed in, because what I knew is whatever was in the best interest of the United States, I was going to fight for that. 240 00:13:21.848 --> 00:13:23.850 Do you remember how your name, I don't know, 241 00:13:24.283 --> 00:13:27.205 I think it was the beginning of like the Abraham Accords. 242 00:13:27.245 --> 00:13:38.873 What I remember is observing from afar with fascination because President Trump, whatever you like about his following party seal not, he was not the best human manager. 243 00:13:38.973 --> 00:13:48.359 Like, at least to my eyes, he kept denigrating every single cabinet member and would mistreat people and would put them down and make them look like fools. 244 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:52.642 And just as a person that had an organization, I found that very unhealthy because... 245 00:13:53.202 --> 00:13:55.142 And the only person he didn't do that to was you. 246 00:13:55.203 --> 00:14:02.004 For during your reign, he eventually got to you when you criticized them after January 6th and run for whatever. 247 00:14:02.024 --> 00:14:03.084 And we'll talk about that a little bit. 248 00:14:03.264 --> 00:14:10.446 I was fascinated that every single one of his cabinet members, he really treated them badly and he treated you as an equal. 249 00:14:10.546 --> 00:14:11.966 And I was in awe. 250 00:14:11.986 --> 00:14:13.927 I didn't understand how that happened. 251 00:14:14.486 --> 00:14:17.408 I think first it was me knowing my role. 252 00:14:17.728 --> 00:14:24.792 So as governor, when I appointed my cabinet members, I didn't appoint people who voted for me or who donated. 253 00:14:25.032 --> 00:14:28.474 I put the best person in the job that I knew could solve the problems. 254 00:14:28.754 --> 00:14:33.317 When I appointed them, I said, I want you to do a few things. 255 00:14:33.697 --> 00:14:34.938 One, I want you to serve the people. 256 00:14:35.558 --> 00:14:36.979 Two, I want you to be creative. 257 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.901 And three, if you see me doing something wrong, say it. 258 00:14:41.462 --> 00:14:47.826 And so I took the same things that I said to my cabinet, and I took that responsibility to President Trump. 259 00:14:48.506 --> 00:14:50.888 So if he was doing something, 260 00:14:51.718 --> 00:14:54.381 I would support, I would rally, I'd fight for it. 261 00:14:55.342 --> 00:14:56.403 I'd give it everything I had. 262

00:14:56.743 --> 00:15:08.855 If there was something I disagreed with him in, or I thought he was getting ready to make a mistake, I would call him or meet with him and say, you can't do this, but instead you could do X, Y, or Z. I always gave him options. 263 00:15:09.395 --> 00:15:13.299 And I think that's what you have to remember is know your role, know your place. 264 00:15:13.920 --> 00:15:14.961 He was the president. 265 00:15:15.201 --> 00:15:16.482 He needed to make a decision. 266 00:15:16.522 --> 00:15:21.965 So instead of saying, oh, this decision's bad or good, give options on what would make it better. 267 00:15:22.205 --> 00:15:24.146 But it's your job to be a truth teller. 268 00:15:24.506 --> 00:15:26.367 Tell them everything good and bad. 269 00:15:26.988 --> 00:15:30.890 And I think that he knew, one, I gave him good solutions. 270 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:33.211 Two, I never embarrassed him. 271 00:15:34.212 --> 00:15:34.412 And two. 272 00:15:35.023 --> 00:15:40.068 I also made sure that I think he knew he could trust me because I wasn't going to let him fall. 273 00:15:40.388 --> 00:15:42.831 In front of the cameras, you were extraordinarily loyal. 274 00:15:42.851 --> 00:15:44.172 You didn't criticize him publicly. 275 00:15:44.192 --> 00:15:46.034 You and I had this debate multiple times. 276 00:15:46.314 --> 00:15:52.801 You were very, very forceful and respectful about saying, I have my style and my style is to give people feedback behind the scenes. 277 00:15:52.821 --> 00:15:53.501 I'm not here to... 278 00:15:54.382 --> 00:15:55.784 deliberate in front of the cameras. 279 00:15:55.824 --> 00:15:59.367 And in some ways, I really respect that, and it kind of worked. 280 00:16:00.148 --> 00:16:02.731 At some point, that doesn't work, right? 281 00:16:02.771 --> 00:16:11.359 Because you need loyalty, but at some point, President Trump, in his behavior on January 6th, does things that I think all else found problematic. 282 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.262 And at some point, you said, look, you were actually... 283 00:16:14.963 --> 00:16:23.307 probably in the worst place because you criticized it, but not the way the Democrats wanted to criticize it, but more than the Republicans wanted to criticize it. 284 00:16:23.347 --> 00:16:25.929 And just in your own way, you said, you know, I do not approve of this. 285 00:16:26.429 --> 00:16:28.190 And everybody hated you as a result. 286 00:16:28.350 --> 00:16:33.192 And so how do you, how do you, what's the right way to navigate those issues? 287 00:16:33.252 --> 00:16:35.874 Well, I think, you know, when you work for someone, 288 00:16:36.454 --> 00:16:39.477 I think it's important to respect that they're the decision maker. 289 00:16:39.917 --> 00:16:45.122 And so your job is to be a truth teller and tell them things behind closed doors. 290 00:16:45.763 --> 00:16:49.326 If it starts to go in a direction that you don't like, you leave. 291 00:16:50.087 --> 00:16:50.587 I left. 292

00:16:51.067 --> 00:16:52.269 Is that why you left in 2018? 293 00:16:52.289 --> 00:16:52.629 Because... 294 00:16:54.535 --> 00:16:55.676 It was never on the record. 295 00:16:55.696 --> 00:16:56.757 So now let's make some news. 296 00:16:56.858 --> 00:16:58.119 Why did you leave in 2018? 297 00:16:58.139 --> 00:16:58.940 You know, it wasn't. 298 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.163 It actually wasn't about Trump that I left. 299 00:17:02.804 --> 00:17:08.810 It was more about John Bolton and seeing what was happening as national security advisor. 300 00:17:09.230 --> 00:17:10.792 He didn't want to have meetings. 301 00:17:11.152 --> 00:17:14.396 He only wanted to handle things quietly. 302 00:17:14.676 --> 00:17:18.458 That's not too convenient because now he's in the, nobody loves that guy? 303 00:17:18.678 --> 00:17:19.658 I said this in my book. 304 00:17:19.698 --> 00:17:21.759 If you look at, with all due respect, I wrote about it. 305 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:24.580 What I saw was his comment. 306 00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:28.282 I went to the president and I said, we're not having National Security Council meetings. 307 00:17:28.322 --> 00:17:36.525 These meetings are hugely important when decisions are being made because every cabinet agency has to respond and has requirements. 308 00:17:36.705 --> 00:17:39.927 But John Bolton's answer was, what, you don't have enough meetings? 309 00:17:39.947 --> 00:17:40.327 Yeah. 310 00:17:40.884 --> 00:17:43.306 I mean, these are things like getting out of the Iran deal. 311 00:17:43.546 --> 00:17:47.409 These are things like what's happening with, you know, Ukraine at the time. 312 00:17:47.869 --> 00:17:57.135 These are massive issues that you don't need to have sitting in the oval with a notepad and having that one-on-one. 313 00:17:57.436 --> 00:18:00.318 You need to know how it's going to affect commerce, how it's going to affect agriculture. 314 00:18:00.338 --> 00:18:06.342 But it wasn't also that you felt that maybe President Trump was doing things you didn't like and you didn't want to criticize him, so you felt it was time for you to move? 315 00:18:06.362 --> 00:18:06.462 Yeah. 316 00:18:06.972 --> 00:18:12.713 I felt like I could see how self-absorbed John Bolton was getting. 317 00:18:13.313 --> 00:18:16.934 And I could see that it was going to be all about his foreign policy. 318 00:18:17.194 --> 00:18:23.056 And I could see the direction that he was going one way, Pompeo was going the other way. 319 00:18:23.316 --> 00:18:24.456 I was a cabinet member. 320 00:18:24.656 --> 00:18:28.017 And so the reason I wanted to be a cabinet member was I didn't have to... 321 00:18:28.757 --> 00:18:30.018 respond to either one of them. 322 00:18:30.099 --> 00:18:36.345 And at that time you had a very incredible, I mean, President Trump, I don't know how to describe it. 323 00:18:36.365 --> 00:18:37.166 He was in awe of you. 324 00:18:37.186 --> 00:18:49.539 You even, there was one situation where somehow he challenged you and you stood up very elegantly, not in a mean way, but I seem to recall, do you remember the moment- That wasn't, it actually wasn't him. 325 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:50.239 It was- 326 00:18:51.740 --> 00:18:56.381 We had had President Trump had decided to put sanctions on Russia. 327 00:18:56.901 --> 00:19:00.902 We had had two National Security Council meetings back to back on that. 328 00:19:01.602 --> 00:19:03.163 And he decided to go forward. 329 00:19:03.663 --> 00:19:07.264 And I met with him on the Friday before in D.C. 330 00:19:07.384 --> 00:19:10.404 He was still going forward and they had asked me to do Sunday shows. 331 00:19:10.644 --> 00:19:13.465 And so I recorded it on Saturday and. 332 00:19:14.345 --> 00:19:21.391 And I made the comment President Trump would be warranted in putting sanctions on Russia if he chooses to. 333 00:19:21.451 --> 00:19:22.912 Something along the lines of that. 334 00:19:22.952 --> 00:19:24.273 Insistence of what he had decided. 335 00:19:24.293 --> 00:19:24.573 Yes. 336 00:19:24.893 --> 00:19:29.637 And so I got a call from Steve Mnuchin on Sunday. 337 00:19:29.837 --> 00:19:32.039 And Steve and I got along very well. 338 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.621 And he said, we've got a little bit of a problem. 339 00:19:36.362 --> 00:19:38.644 Trump's decided not to do the sanctions on Russia. 340 00:19:39.124 --> 00:19:40.325 And the press is calling. 341 00:19:40.585 --> 00:19:42.065 And I said, well, that's not a problem. 342 00:19:42.125 --> 00:19:46.967 Just tell them that he either changed his mind or he's going to pause and do it later. 343 00:19:47.027 --> 00:19:48.227 Just tell the truth. 344 00:19:48.547 --> 00:19:50.188 And he said, we're going to put out a statement. 345 00:19:50.268 --> 00:19:51.108 Everything will be fine. 346 00:19:51.248 --> 00:19:54.429 So they put out a statement and it didn't answer the question. 347 00:19:54.709 --> 00:20:00.931 So I called a couple of them, you know, secretary of state, national security advisor called and I said, look. 348 00:20:02.005 --> 00:20:08.028 I've done this long enough to know that if you don't answer the questions of journalists, they're going to keep asking. 349 00:20:08.148 --> 00:20:10.469 And you are actually making a situation worse. 350 00:20:10.709 --> 00:20:13.230 The next morning, it's still going on. 351 00:20:13.370 --> 00:20:14.251 It's still getting bigger. 352 00:20:14.531 --> 00:20:16.212 So I call both of them. 353 00:20:16.812 --> 00:20:18.933 And I said, you have until four o'clock today. 354 00:20:19.473 --> 00:20:21.494 Either you tell them or I'm telling them. 355 00:20:21.854 --> 00:20:24.856 But one of us needs to tell them exactly what happened. 356 00:20:25.316 --> 00:20:29.158 And shortly after four, Larry Kudlow came out. 357 00:20:30.703 --> 00:20:38.450 to a press huddle and knowing that they were going to ask the question, they must have discussed it. 358 00:20:39.552 --> 00:20:44.616 And they said,

why would she say that about sanctions if it wasn't going to happen? 359 00:20:45.469 --> 00:20:50.610 And he said, you know, Nikki's great, whatever. 360 00:20:50.730 --> 00:20:52.231 I just think she got confused. 361 00:20:52.651 --> 00:20:57.472 And I was literally watching the news when he said that. 362 00:20:57.972 --> 00:21:01.493 And I saw that The Five on Fox was coming on. 363 00:21:01.934 --> 00:21:03.914 And I texted Dana Perino. 364 00:21:04.194 --> 00:21:06.475 And I said, can you put me on the record? 365 00:21:07.295 --> 00:21:10.297 is saying, with all due respect, I don't get confused. 366 00:21:10.818 --> 00:21:15.421 And she picked up the phone and she called me and she said, okay, do I have this right? 367 00:21:15.441 --> 00:21:16.942 And I said, that's all you need to say. 368 00:21:17.303 --> 00:21:20.445 In the last half hour, I was able to get in touch with Nikki Haley. 369 00:21:20.525 --> 00:21:25.449 And she said, quote, with all due respect, I don't get confused. 370 00:21:26.109 --> 00:21:29.932 So there is some clarity, at least from her part on that tonight. 371 00:21:30.513 --> 00:21:33.315 And within five minutes, I got a call from Larry. 372 00:21:34.417 --> 00:21:36.058 And he was like, Nikki, you know, I love you. 373 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:37.359 You know, I appreciate you. 374 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:42.964 You know, I just, you know, I happen to say that, but you know, that's, you know, I love you. 375 00:21:43.004 --> 00:21:44.045 You know, everything's good. 376 00:21:44.085 --> 00:21:46.927 And I said, well, I said, I appreciate you calling. 377 00:21:47.228 --> 00:21:49.029 I said, but Larry, I need you to go fix it. 378 00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:50.991 And he goes, what do you mean fix it? 379 00:21:51.031 --> 00:21:53.473 I said, you need to go tell them that I'm not confused. 380 00:21:53.873 --> 00:21:58.096 The decision was that we were going to have sanctions and the president changed his mind. 381 00:21:58.497 --> 00:21:59.578 And he said, I can't do that. 382 00:21:59.598 --> 00:22:01.880 I just told him, I said, oh no, you can and you will. 383 00:22:02.939 --> 00:22:05.620 And I said, and I need you to do it in the next five or 10 minutes. 384 00:22:05.981 --> 00:22:18.027 And to Larry's credit, who I get along perfectly well with before and after all of this, to his credit, he went right out to the press and told what happened and why it happened. 385 00:22:18.447 --> 00:22:19.608 And the whole thing went away. 386 00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:24.886 You had nerves of steel and backbone, like a lot of grit. 387 00:22:25.207 --> 00:22:29.073 Were they trying to tell you, no, just toe the line, take the fall? 388 00:22:30.055 --> 00:22:31.677 And why wouldn't it be the right thing? 389 00:22:32.058 --> 00:22:34.141 How do you navigate between when you need to be... 390 00:22:35.175 --> 00:22:41.241 loyal to the point of just hurting yourself and saying a lie versus be transparent to the people. 391 00:22:41.261 --> 00:22:44.745 I mean, this wasn't in any way disparaging to Trump, right? 392 00:22:44.945 --> 00:22:51.632 This was the other guys doing their thing, not wanting to come out and say it and trying to just sweep it under the rug. 393 00:22:51.652 --> 00:22:51.952 Right. 394 00:22:52.052 --> 00:22:54.194 But that was my integrity on the line. 395 00:22:54.314 --> 00:22:56.276 I don't say things unless I know. 396 00:22:56.296 --> 00:22:59.379 I mean, that was, you know, the reason I had that relationship with you. 397 00:22:59.399 --> 00:23:00.600 And I'm a truth teller. 398 00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:03.162 If I tell you something, you can take it to the bank. 399 00:23:03.582 --> 00:23:05.444 It was important for me to continue to have that. 400 00:23:05.464 --> 00:23:10.909 I want to go deeper on that issue beyond, because this is, for me, what's most interesting about being a politician or not being a politician. 401 00:23:11.944 --> 00:23:14.946 I'm very much like you, very transparent. 402 00:23:15.806 --> 00:23:19.249 In the political world, that does not... 403 00:23:19.269 --> 00:23:24.312 So for me, integrity, transparency, long-term relationship, that's how I, to your point, how I build businesses. 404 00:23:25.072 --> 00:23:28.815 And in the political world, sometimes it's loyalty, 405 00:23:29.615 --> 00:23:33.638 party above country, it drives me nuts. 406 00:23:34.178 --> 00:23:42.004 It drives me nuts that a lot of times, a lot of these decisions tend to put the party over the interests of the country. 407 00:23:42.244 --> 00:23:42.665 I don't know. 408 00:23:42.745 --> 00:23:43.926 How do you navigate that? 409 00:23:44.226 --> 00:23:45.447 Let me tell you a story. 410 00:23:45.787 --> 00:23:51.912 When I won the state house seat in South Carolina, I defeated a 30-year incumbent. 411 00:23:52.632 --> 00:23:53.752 And ignorance is bliss. 412 00:23:53.892 --> 00:23:55.073 I just didn't know any better. 413 00:23:55.173 --> 00:23:58.193 I didn't know you weren't supposed to run against a 30 year incumbent in primary. 414 00:23:59.014 --> 00:24:02.014 And my whole campaign was he's been there 30 years. 415 00:24:02.094 --> 00:24:02.994 No disrespect. 416 00:24:03.095 --> 00:24:05.055 But we have way too many lawyers in the statehouse. 417 00:24:05.075 --> 00:24:06.295 They need a really good accountant. 418 00:24:06.795 --> 00:24:07.436 I'm an accountant. 419 00:24:07.456 --> 00:24:09.316 So that's and I happen to win. 420 00:24:09.336 --> 00:24:13.317 I had been at the statehouse two or three years at that point. 421 00:24:14.432 --> 00:24:19.135 And in South Carolina, a lot of legislation would be read across the desk by voice vote. 422 00:24:19.775 --> 00:24:20.956 All in favor, say aye. 423 00:24:20.996 --> 00:24:21.796 All opposed, nay. 424 00:24:21.816 --> 00:24:22.457 The ayes have it. 425 00:24:22.777 --> 00:24:24.338 I was focused on small businesses. 426 00:24:24.458 --> 00:24:27.960 I was focused on making sure

that we had a good business environment, all those things. 427 00:24:28.520 --> 00:24:34.944 But one day, we're sitting in the chambers, and there's a bill read across the desk that would give legislators a pay raise. 428 00:24:35.964 --> 00:24:37.305 All in favor, say aye. 429 00:24:37.425 --> 00:24:39.006 All opposed, silence. 430 00:24:39.066 --> 00:24:39.867 The ayes have it. 431 00:24:40.946 --> 00:24:45.189 And yet no one would admit that they just gave themselves a pay raise. 432 00:24:45.529 --> 00:24:46.789 I was mortified. 433 00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:50.612 We had a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and a Republican governor. 434 00:24:50.992 --> 00:25:02.739 And I went and the next day filed a bill that said anything important enough to be debated on the floor of the House or the Senate is important enough for the people to see how their legislator voted. 435 00:25:03.159 --> 00:25:06.000 The Speaker of the House came to me and said, put the bill away. 436 00:25:06.561 --> 00:25:07.541 We don't need to have it. 437 00:25:07.681 --> 00:25:10.263 We will decide what the public needs to see and what they don't. 438 00:25:10.403 --> 00:25:17.409 I remember going home to my husband, Michael, saying, if I can't even get legislative votes on the record, what am I doing here? 439 00:25:17.989 --> 00:25:19.250 And he said, then fight. 440 00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:26.056 So I went around the entire state and said, did you know of all the bills passed in the House, only 8% were on the record? 441 00:25:26.738 --> 00:25:30.640 Did you know of all the bills passed in the Senate, only 1% was on the record? 442 00:25:31.161 --> 00:25:40.826 So if you didn't know how your House member voted 92% of the time, if you didn't know how your senator voted 99% of the time, how did you know who to vote for when you went to the polls? 443 00:25:41.447 --> 00:25:43.548 And the people in South Carolina were shocked. 444 00:25:43.808 --> 00:25:47.871 To put it in perspective, my first year in office, I was chairman of the freshman class. 445 00:25:47.951 --> 00:25:49.552 Second year, I was majority whip. 446 00:25:49.873 --> 00:25:51.974 Third year, I was on a powerful business committee. 447 00:25:52.335 --> 00:25:54.216 Fourth year, I was subcommittee chair of banking. 448 00:25:54.656 --> 00:25:59.060 The year that I would not put that bill away, they stripped me of everything. 449 00:25:59.769 --> 00:26:01.770 I lost every ranking, every committee. 450 00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:02.931 I could take the well. 451 00:26:03.611 --> 00:26:04.952 No one would listen to me speak. 452 00:26:05.172 --> 00:26:06.493 I could try and sponsor something. 453 00:26:06.533 --> 00:26:07.654 No one would co-sponsor. 454 00:26:08.094 --> 00:26:09.015 So I ran for governor. 455 00:26:09.415 --> 00:26:18.481 And one of the first things, one of the first bills we signed into law is now in South Carolina, anything debated on the floor of the House or the Senate requires a legislative

vote on the record. 456 00:26:18.621 --> 00:26:22.003 And I took it a step further and did it on every section of the budget as well. 457 00:26:23.103 --> 00:26:25.185 I mean, this is an insane story in so many ways. 458 00:26:25.765 --> 00:26:31.328 First of all, sometimes when they go and get stuff, you double down and you just don't let bullies bully you. 459 00:26:31.809 --> 00:26:35.431 The common thing with everything is that you need to be so strong. 460 00:26:35.451 --> 00:26:39.894 So as a kid, were you born that way or were you built into somebody that has that back? 461 00:26:40.274 --> 00:26:41.375 It was my parents. 462 00:26:41.795 --> 00:26:47.979 I mean, my dad, he was one of the smartest people I've ever met, but he taught me respect and grace. 463 00:26:48.679 --> 00:26:50.159 And always being kind. 464 00:26:50.840 --> 00:26:53.220 And my mom taught me strength. 465 00:26:53.860 --> 00:26:56.221 She was stand up for yourself. 466 00:26:56.481 --> 00:26:57.941 She wouldn't let us get bullied. 467 00:26:57.981 --> 00:27:01.883 And if there was nothing that if I wanted it bad enough that I couldn't go do it. 468 00:27:02.063 --> 00:27:03.043 I mean, my mom was. 469 00:27:03.063 --> 00:27:05.523 She's like a coach, like giving inspirational speaker. 470 00:27:05.543 --> 00:27:06.144 What was it? 471 00:27:06.164 --> 00:27:06.744 She was tough. 472 00:27:06.764 --> 00:27:08.504 All of us as parents want that toolkit. 473 00:27:08.524 --> 00:27:10.365 What was your mom doing to make you strong? 474 00:27:10.385 --> 00:27:10.685 She was tough. 475 00:27:10.705 --> 00:27:11.205 She was tough. 476 00:27:11.485 --> 00:27:11.845 Elaborate. 477 00:27:11.885 --> 00:27:15.527 If she ever saw me cry, she'd say, get a glass of water and go to your room. 478 00:27:15.827 --> 00:27:18.768 We were not allowed to cry in front of anybody. 479 00:27:19.188 --> 00:27:21.229 I would have not made good money in your family. 480 00:27:21.309 --> 00:27:26.451 No, and I could be an emotional person, but it was she taught emotional toughness. 481 00:27:26.792 --> 00:27:28.892 My dad taught me to be comfortable crying. 482 00:27:28.932 --> 00:27:35.495 Like literally, it was very important to him, both in Mexico and in the United States, a man shouldn't cry. 483 00:27:35.615 --> 00:27:36.336 And my dad said... 484 00:27:37.316 --> 00:27:38.056 be yourself. 485 00:27:38.176 --> 00:27:42.659 And he taught me the importance of being comfortable with my emotions and being a human. 486 00:27:43.199 --> 00:27:46.720 And it's interesting because I admire you a lot, but it's a very different lesson. 487 00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:47.781 We had to be guarded. 488 00:27:47.821 --> 00:27:50.822 I mean, we had a hard time in that small town, so. 489 00:27:50.902 --> 00:27:53.163 Which is better because I cannot ever be a politician. 490 00:27:53.183 --> 00:27:53.904 I don't have that. 491 00:27:54.464 --> 00:27:59.706 And so I guess if you wanna build time to let them cry,

if you wanna be president. 492 00:27:59.986 --> 00:28:01.707 I learned mental toughness from her. 493 00:28:01.827 --> 00:28:03.548 I learned emotional toughness from her. 494 00:28:03.788 --> 00:28:05.249 You tried to teach the same to your kids? 495 00:28:05.649 --> 00:28:12.531 I think I've taught my kids to be strong, but I've never told them, if you're going to cry, go to your room. 496 00:28:12.631 --> 00:28:13.991 I never took it to that level. 497 00:28:14.011 --> 00:28:15.331 Are your mom and dad still around? 498 00:28:15.871 --> 00:28:20.752 No, they both passed away a year apart right after I suspended the campaign. 499 00:28:21.132 --> 00:28:21.753 You're kidding. 500 00:28:21.913 --> 00:28:22.153 Yeah. 501 00:28:23.173 --> 00:28:24.913 You decide to run for president. 502 00:28:25.573 --> 00:28:27.994 Michael gets- Deployed. 503 00:28:28.034 --> 00:28:29.314 Deployed for a year. 504 00:28:29.774 --> 00:28:32.695 You're running this very difficult campaign 505 00:28:33.153 --> 00:28:34.635 I had a daughter that was getting married. 506 00:28:34.675 --> 00:28:37.017 We had to get her married during that as well. 507 00:28:37.477 --> 00:28:38.979 And I had two sick parents at home. 508 00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:42.002 And then you suspend and then they pass away. 509 00:28:42.723 --> 00:28:44.404 First of all, were they very proud of you? 510 00:28:44.444 --> 00:28:45.345 Were they, are you crazy? 511 00:28:45.365 --> 00:28:46.326 Why are you running for president? 512 00:28:46.346 --> 00:28:47.147 So proud. 513 00:28:47.487 --> 00:28:48.028 So proud. 514 00:28:48.048 --> 00:28:51.751 I mean, they were the ones that, like, they were my biggest cheerleaders. 515 00:28:51.771 --> 00:28:52.833 They would have never imagined. 516 00:28:53.373 --> 00:28:59.618 They would have never dreamt that you're going to be governor, let alone UN ambassador, let alone run for president. 517 00:28:59.638 --> 00:29:00.819 They would never imagine that. 518 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:06.844 Like on debate nights, debate nights, you know, my dad would be wearing a Nikki Haley for president hat. 519 00:29:06.884 --> 00:29:10.767 My mom would be wearing the t-shirt, you know, right in front of the TV and I'd get a picture of them. 520 00:29:10.807 --> 00:29:12.088 Like they were so proud. 521 00:29:12.856 --> 00:29:14.556 They never saw anything like this coming. 522 00:29:14.576 --> 00:29:16.777 Or did your mom say, you can be anything you want, you can be present? 523 00:29:16.797 --> 00:29:21.418 She always, my parents always told us, whatever you do, be great at it. 524 00:29:21.478 --> 00:29:23.598 And they always believed in God's blessings. 525 00:29:23.718 --> 00:29:27.239 And they would say the best way to appreciate God's blessings is to give back. 526 00:29:27.699 --> 00:29:31.360 And so service was very much a part of our family. 527 00:29:31.780 --> 00:29:36.921 Both your parents were Sikh and you converted to Christianity when you married Michael. 528

00:29:37.321 --> 00:29:39.501 Were your parents heartbroken when you became Christian? 529 00:29:39.541 --> 00:29:42.202 They weren't because my parents, when I was growing up, 530 00:29:43.568 --> 00:30:05.742 my mom would always take us to different churches and she would always say it's important that you know that everybody has their way to god and what we care is that you find your way and so would they have loved for me to stay seek yes i know they would have but at the end of the day it was the relationship that we had with god that was the most it sounds like they supported you when you were crazy enough to want to 531 00:30:06.442 --> 00:30:13.687 Going to run for state office when you became governor, when you became ambassador, when you ran for president, put yourself in that situation. 532 00:30:14.027 --> 00:30:19.050 What were the pivotal moments that brought you to run for office? 533 00:30:19.432 --> 00:30:28.701 The story that really stands out in my mind is when I got my first job and I was accounting supervisor for a company and the six of their subsidiaries, it was an all-male company. 534 00:30:29.242 --> 00:30:42.575 And I remember I'd been there maybe three or four weeks and we were having a meeting and the president comes flying in like 10 minutes late and the CFO looks at me and says, Nikki, why don't you go get Paul a cup of coffee? 535 00:30:44.076 --> 00:30:51.158 And I remember thinking, I didn't know what I was going to do at that moment, but whatever I did was going to affect how they treated me. 536 00:30:51.658 --> 00:30:54.139 And I said, absolutely, no problem. 537 00:30:55.239 --> 00:31:03.522 And I leaned to the phone in the center of the table and I called my assistant and I said, Pam, will you please get Paul a cup of coffee? 538 00:31:04.322 --> 00:31:06.403 They never asked me to get a cup of coffee again. 539 00:31:07.385 --> 00:31:09.588 You very elegantly said, don't do that. 540 00:31:09.788 --> 00:31:13.912 Because that was the side of my dad, which is you don't have to embarrass people. 541 00:31:14.132 --> 00:31:15.854 You don't have to talk down to people. 542 00:31:16.455 --> 00:31:18.637 People don't always know the right thing to do. 543 00:31:18.697 --> 00:31:20.800 Your job is to show them what to do. 544 00:31:20.820 --> 00:31:24.564 This is an essential part of who you are that I've noticed helped you solve problems. 545 00:31:24.584 --> 00:31:24.864 Right. 546 00:31:25.044 --> 00:31:26.545 And a lot of people misunderstand it. 547 00:31:27.065 --> 00:31:29.286 And it's really an essential part of being a builder. 548 00:31:29.447 --> 00:31:35.990 Example, when my team was preparing the brief with me for this, one of the things that, well, why didn't you call out this person? 549 00:31:36.010 --> 00:31:37.411 Why didn't you call out this person? 550 00:31:37.811 --> 00:31:45.135 And I'm like, because, and you said in a quote, something about like a leader is not meant to take sides. 551 00:31:45.595 --> 00:31:46.876 And I was like, yes, take sides. 552 00:31:46.976 --> 00:31:49.578 And sometimes taking sides doesn't actually solve the problem. 553 00:31:49.818 --> 00:31:53.039 Well, I, you do, I strongly believe you take sides. 554 00:31:53.060 --> 00:31:53.940 Yeah. 555 00:31:54.120 --> 00:31:55.742 But how you do it matters. 556 00:31:55.982 --> 00:31:57.843 You know, so many people look at the act. 557 00:31:58.604 --> 00:31:59.725 I look at the future. 558 00:32:00.345 --> 00:32:08.172 How you do things will affect how people treat you, how they see you, whether they want to work with you again, whether they want to do something again. 559 00:32:08.252 --> 00:32:14.617 And I think, you know, that moment about the coffee, they weren't trying to disrespect me. 560 00:32:14.838 --> 00:32:16.459 They just didn't know any better. 561 00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:21.003 And so I could have screamed and yelled and said, oh, this is, you know, 562 00:32:21.343 --> 00:32:22.564 But you're also not meek. 563 00:32:22.584 --> 00:32:23.886 You don't just let it happen. 564 00:32:24.326 --> 00:32:25.868 You find an elegant way to. 565 00:32:26.448 --> 00:32:30.653 But instead, it was more productive for me to show them what they should have done. 566 00:32:31.153 --> 00:32:32.114 And that's what I did. 567 00:32:32.254 --> 00:32:38.881 And you could tell on their faces that they were embarrassed, but I didn't have to say something to embarrass them. 568 00:32:38.962 --> 00:32:40.183 I just needed to show them. 569 00:32:40.483 --> 00:32:51.942 a very important build or break moment for you was in 2015, a white supremacist murders nine black parishioners at the church in their Bible studies and, 570 00:32:53.484 --> 00:33:01.028 You've talked with respect about the confederate flag standing for heritage, but you learn about what happened. 571 00:33:01.728 --> 00:33:09.052 And all of a sudden you start real because the shooter had a confederate flag that he was wrapped around. 572 00:33:09.612 --> 00:33:15.756 And you rise up to the moment, flanked by Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott and say, OK, we're going to. 573 00:33:16.416 --> 00:33:23.920 make a change, and all of a sudden, not just all of South Carolina, but the entire country pivots following that task. 574 00:33:24.661 --> 00:33:35.787 Walk me through how you approach that, how you dealt with that, and then also how you navigate, to your point, not judging people that grew up respecting the Confederate flag. 575 00:33:35.827 --> 00:33:39.328 It's not about, A, you're a bad person, but finding a way to evolve. 576 00:33:39.388 --> 00:33:41.269 Walk me through how, as a leader, you do that. 577 00:33:41.289 --> 00:33:42.170 That was amazing. 578 00:33:42.450 --> 00:33:49.153 The of all the things I look at my life, that was the hardest that I personally went through. 579 00:33:49.173 --> 00:33:51.734 There was a lot that went into what you saw on TV. 580 00:33:51.754 -->

00:33:54.576 There was a lot of behind the scenes that went on. 581 00:33:54.876 --> 00:34:00.038 And, you know, I'll start by saying you have to understand the scene of it. 582 00:34:00.578 --> 00:34:04.100 You know, South Carolinians went to Bible study every Wednesday. 583 00:34:04.280 --> 00:34:05.821 That's just a Southern thing. 584 00:34:05.841 --> 00:34:06.821 You know, you would have that. 585 00:34:07.181 --> 00:34:08.582 And on this Wednesday night. 586 00:34:10.408 --> 00:34:11.989 12 people went to Bible study. 587 00:34:12.309 --> 00:34:17.250 And what made this amazing was that on that night, someone else showed up. 588 00:34:17.951 --> 00:34:19.131 He didn't look like them. 589 00:34:19.491 --> 00:34:20.652 He didn't act like them. 590 00:34:20.852 --> 00:34:21.972 He didn't sound like them. 591 00:34:22.432 --> 00:34:23.533 They didn't call the cops. 592 00:34:23.973 --> 00:34:24.973 They didn't throw them out. 593 00:34:25.433 --> 00:34:29.855 Instead, they pulled up a chair and they prayed with him for an hour. 594 00:34:30.235 --> 00:34:35.477 And when they bowed their heads in that last prayer, he began to shoot. 595 00:34:35.697 --> 00:34:36.817 Was he sick? 596 00:34:38.418 --> 00:34:39.478 These were people... 597 00:34:41.352 --> 00:34:42.313 like Ethel Lance. 598 00:34:43.073 --> 00:34:51.459 Her daughter had died from breast cancer a couple of years prior, but she would go around Mother Emanuel Church cleaning, singing, one day at a time, sweet Jesus. 599 00:34:51.839 --> 00:34:53.240 That's all I ask of you. 600 00:34:53.881 --> 00:34:56.602 Give me the strength every day to do what I have to do. 601 00:34:57.263 --> 00:35:02.126 Tywanza Sanders was our youngest victim, had just finished college, had the world in front of him. 602 00:35:02.607 --> 00:35:06.870 And on that night, he stood in front of the killer, in front of his great 603 00:35:08.165 --> 00:35:15.490 87-year-old great Aunt Susie, he stood between her and the killer, and he looked at the killer and said, you don't have to do this, we mean no harm to you. 604 00:35:16.050 --> 00:35:22.755 Or it was people like Cynthia Heard, who was a librarian, and it was just her life motto to say, be kinder than necessary. 605 00:35:23.455 --> 00:35:24.876 That's who these people were. 606 00:35:25.056 --> 00:35:33.682 They weren't famous, they weren't well-known, but they loved their family, they loved their church, and they loved their community. 607 00:35:35.723 --> 00:35:37.004 And this was a kid that, 608 00:35:38.184 --> 00:35:40.206 that decided he wanted to start a race war. 609 00:35:40.826 --> 00:35:43.749 The pastor of that church was a senator. 610 00:35:44.089 --> 00:35:50.654 And so when I got the calls that all of this happened, I immediately called, he was a Democrat senator, I immediately called- State senator. 611 00:35:50.755 --> 00:35:54.438 Yes, I immediately called him and I said, Senator Pinckney, I've heard what's happened. 612 00:35:54.758 -->

00:35:56.679 I'm coming down there first thing tomorrow morning. 613 00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:02.144 Whatever your congregation needs, whatever we need to do, we will take care of this and we will find him. 614 00:36:02.564 --> 00:36:06.608 And what haunts me to this day, he was supposed to be at the state house. 615 00:36:07.982 --> 00:36:11.186 But on that night, he ended up going to that Bible study. 616 00:36:11.986 --> 00:36:18.554 And it haunts me that my phone call, the phone was ringing in his pocket when I called. 617 00:36:19.394 --> 00:36:22.097 So South Carolina was broken. 618 00:36:22.778 --> 00:36:26.702 We'd never, there had never in the country been a shooting in a place of worship. 619 00:36:27.283 --> 00:36:30.305 And the Confederate flag had been an issue for a very long time. 620 00:36:30.946 --> 00:36:35.710 Governor David Beasley, prior to me, called for it to come down and he was defeated. 621 00:36:36.330 --> 00:36:41.234 And so I was sitting the next day just trying to get my head around it. 622 00:36:41.574 --> 00:36:45.877 And there was the killer that came out with this manifesto draped in the Confederate flag. 623 00:36:46.818 --> 00:36:54.419 And I called my staff on that Saturday and I said, I want you to schedule four meetings for me on Monday morning, first thing. 624 00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:58.660 One, I want it to be with Republican leadership. 625 00:36:59.300 --> 00:37:01.521 The second one, I want it to be with Democrat leadership. 626 00:37:01.541 --> 00:37:03.781 The third, I want it to be with the federal delegation. 627 00:37:04.441 --> 00:37:09.022 And the fourth, I wanted it to be key community leaders, very small group that we knew we had. 628 00:37:09.702 --> 00:37:13.183 And I said, and don't tell them why we're meeting because I knew they wouldn't show up. 629 00:37:14.557 --> 00:37:22.301 And on that morning, I went and in each meeting I said, Today at four o'clock, I'm going to ask for the Confederate flag to come down. 630 00:37:23.322 --> 00:37:25.983 If you will stand with me, I will forever be grateful. 631 00:37:26.283 --> 00:37:29.485 And if you won't, I'll never tell anybody you were in this room. 632 00:37:29.785 --> 00:37:35.788 And I've kept my word to this day on who was with me and who wasn't with me, what they said in that room, all that. 633 00:37:36.028 --> 00:37:37.729 I will take that to my grave. 634 00:37:38.089 --> 00:37:42.192 And at four o'clock, I had my husband there because I thought he was going to be the only one standing with me. 635 00:37:43.032 --> 00:37:50.639 But instead, we had House members, we had senators, we had community leaders, Blacks, whites, we had Strom Thurmond's son. 636 00:37:51.299 --> 00:37:52.460 Everybody was there. 637 00:37:52.921 --> 00:37:57.985 And I said, a flag is a living, breathing, symbolic thing. 638 00:37:58.485 --> 00:38:00.547 This flag deserves to be in a museum. 639 00:38:00.947 --> 00:38:01.888 That's where it needs to go. 640 00:38:02.008 --> 00:38:04.831 If you want to fly it on your private property, you can fly it. 641 00:38:05.091 --> 00:38:09.515 But in front of the statehouse, we need to put it in its rightful place. 642 00:38:09.995 --> 00:38:15.220 I had to do it in such a way because part of the state saw the Confederate flag as heritage and service. 643 00:38:16.041 --> 00:38:18.403 The other half of the state saw it as hate. 644 00:38:19.244 --> 00:38:21.326 My job wasn't to judge either side. 645 00:38:21.726 --> 00:38:24.549 My job was to get them to see where we wanted to go. 646 00:38:24.910 --> 00:38:30.215 And so over the next few days, the hardest part was me getting the legislature to try and move on it. 647 00:38:30.235 --> 00:38:31.316 Blossing what you did, I... 648 00:38:32.757 --> 00:38:37.459 A tool I use a lot is also move people forward because if you went to the past, it's very hard. 649 00:38:38.020 --> 00:38:38.500 Who's right? 650 00:38:38.540 --> 00:38:39.240 Who's wrong? 651 00:38:40.101 --> 00:38:42.582 You know, I've worked really hard on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 652 00:38:42.642 --> 00:38:50.566 If you litigate in the past, close to a puzzle, if you focus on what's the future you want for your children, much easier to build consensus. 653 00:38:50.606 --> 00:38:51.346 So I get that. 654 00:38:51.787 --> 00:38:53.668 I didn't get the how and why 655 00:38:54.568 --> 00:38:59.637 You wanted to give a free pass for those that wouldn't have the courage to stand with you. 656 00:38:59.697 --> 00:39:02.762 Why did you allow people to say, stand with me and I'll be loyal to you? 657 00:39:02.862 --> 00:39:03.423 I get that. 658 00:39:04.104 --> 00:39:04.845 And if you don't want... 659 00:39:05.863 --> 00:39:07.083 Just no problem. 660 00:39:07.123 --> 00:39:08.344 I won't tell them you're here. 661 00:39:08.544 --> 00:39:09.764 Why were you so kind to them? 662 00:39:09.824 --> 00:39:12.045 Because it was about the people of South Carolina. 663 00:39:12.225 --> 00:39:14.285 It was about those families of those victims. 664 00:39:15.325 --> 00:39:17.386 No one needed to see any more separation. 665 00:39:17.406 --> 00:39:19.966 You didn't want to create us versus them and attack. 666 00:39:20.006 --> 00:39:20.306 No. 667 00:39:20.427 --> 00:39:30.089 And, you know, actually, the entire country came to the statehouse because trying to get that legislation passed was a whole nother act of violence. 668 00:39:31.499 --> 00:39:32.759 I mean, that was God sent. 669 00:39:32.839 --> 00:39:40.741 But you're doing what you did, and just trying to translate a really interesting tool I hadn't thought about, by telling people, stand with me and I will stand with you. 670 00:39:41.142 --> 00:39:44.282 Don't stand with me, it'll be, I won't do anything. 671 00:39:44.783 --> 00:39:49.404 You were signaling, join me those that I want, but I don't want to start fighting and dividing others. 672 00:39:49.444 --> 00:39:54.145 And then they were

smart enough to also not then attack, because then it... 673 00:39:54.525 --> 00:39:56.006 And we didn't need any more division. 674 00:39:56.166 --> 00:39:58.248 I was trying to unify the state at this point. 675 00:39:58.568 --> 00:40:00.349 You know, we had Jesse Jackson come in. 676 00:40:00.390 --> 00:40:01.911 We had Al Sharpton come in. 677 00:40:02.051 --> 00:40:03.852 I attended every single funeral. 678 00:40:04.593 --> 00:40:09.516 And I remember Al Sharpton stood up at church at one of the funerals. 679 00:40:10.492 --> 00:40:12.314 And it was the very first one. 680 00:40:12.354 --> 00:40:14.996 And he raised all this cane and all this division. 681 00:40:15.056 --> 00:40:17.918 And he said, and there sits Governor Nikki Haley. 682 00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:25.625 And he said, the number of times I've protested outside of her office, and now she wants to be at the funeral. 683 00:40:25.665 --> 00:40:27.306 So then I had to speak after him. 684 00:40:28.247 --> 00:40:33.632 And I said, first of all, Reverend Sharpton, you have never once protested outside of my office. 685 00:40:33.952 --> 00:40:37.235 I said, because if you did, I would have invited you in and hugged you. 686 00:40:37.535 --> 00:40:39.497 And then I went on and said what needed to be said. 687 00:40:39.517 --> 00:40:40.758 I just made that one comment. 688 00:40:41.178 --> 00:40:44.701 Afterward, he came running up to me saying, I didn't mean anything. 689 00:40:44.742 --> 00:40:45.362 I didn't mean anything. 690 00:40:45.382 --> 00:40:46.643 And I said, let me tell you something. 691 00:40:46.743 --> 00:40:47.844 Our state is divided. 692 00:40:48.285 --> 00:40:51.908 If you are coming here to create further divisions, there's no place for you. 693 00:40:52.288 --> 00:40:57.091 If you want to help us bring this state together, then you are more than welcome to be here. 694 00:40:57.592 --> 00:40:58.252 And he left. 695 00:40:58.632 --> 00:41:05.997 There's so many people that use division to rule, to divide and conquer, and rather than to solve problems. 696 00:41:06.037 --> 00:41:10.040 And one of the essential things that a builder does is to avoid that. 697 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.862 Can you walk me through what you did right and also what you did wrong? 698 00:41:13.922 --> 00:41:21.107 A couple of very practical pieces of advice, not just for someone that wants to run for governor or run a state, but as an executive leader. 699 00:41:21.247 --> 00:41:22.928 I mean, two things in particular. 700 00:41:22.948 --> 00:41:27.509 You know, we had a 13% unemployment rate at the time. 701 00:41:28.449 --> 00:41:30.710 And South Carolinians were down on themselves. 702 00:41:30.730 --> 00:41:33.731 They had put all their resources in the textile basket. 703 00:41:33.831 --> 00:41:37.952 And when the textiles went overseas, so did all the jobs for South Carolina. 704 00:41:38.032 --> 00:41:42.673 And so I knew that if I was going to help the economy, I had to bring in jobs. 705 00:41:42.773 --> 00:41:47.155 We had to change the chemistry of what South Carolinians were known to do. 706 00:41:47.355 --> 00:41:47.835 And so... 707 00:41:48.255 --> 00:41:52.056 Immediately streamlined all our agencies, got rid of paperwork. 708 00:41:52.076 --> 00:41:54.956 We were very focused on being efficient, helping small businesses. 709 00:41:54.976 --> 00:41:57.257 But then I started to sell South Carolina. 710 00:41:58.097 --> 00:42:02.638 And what I did when I recruited, I didn't want to just take a company from another state. 711 00:42:02.758 --> 00:42:04.538 I wanted to make things in America. 712 00:42:05.078 --> 00:42:08.919 So I went and recruited outside to bring manufacturing jobs in. 713 00:42:09.759 --> 00:42:15.260 And so when we brought those companies in, I would say, I'm only going to ask you for two things. 714 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:15.500 One. 715 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:20.761 One, when you need your business needs, I'm going to ask you to use our small businesses in South Carolina to do that. 716 00:42:21.241 --> 00:42:25.263 The second thing is we will send people to your country. 717 00:42:25.503 --> 00:42:27.243 We will learn how you train. 718 00:42:27.543 --> 00:42:29.124 We will learn how you manage. 719 00:42:29.464 --> 00:42:30.344 We will come back. 720 00:42:30.504 --> 00:42:34.225 If you will let me teach my South Carolinians, you can interview them. 721 00:42:34.945 --> 00:42:39.131 And all I ask is that you interview them before you bring somebody from somewhere else. 722 00:42:39.892 --> 00:42:42.796 We trained them in our technical schools. 723 00:42:42.996 --> 00:42:44.538 97% of them were hired. 724 00:42:44.799 --> 00:42:46.741 These are people who used to do textiles. 725 00:42:47.182 --> 00:42:49.846 And by the time I left, we were building planes with Boeing. 726 00:42:50.286 --> 00:42:52.228 More BMWs in any place in the world. 727 00:42:52.248 --> 00:42:55.711 We brought in Mercedes Benz, Volvo, five international tire companies. 728 00:42:56.132 --> 00:42:58.554 They were referring to us as the beast of the southeast. 729 00:42:58.614 --> 00:43:06.181 But the beautiful part is we went down to a 4% unemployment and all those jobs were our South Carolinians. 730 00:43:06.221 --> 00:43:07.943 They didn't have to bring other people in. 731 00:43:08.003 --> 00:43:08.884 That's the first thing. 732 00:43:08.924 --> 00:43:12.768 The second thing is I was obsessed with our prison system. 733 00:43:13.734 --> 00:43:19.658 I wanted to know how people got in there, what their life was like in there, and what happened when they got out. 734 00:43:20.058 --> 00:43:21.679 And I went to the prisons. 735 00:43:21.739 --> 00:43:22.839 My security didn't like that. 736 00:43:22.859 --> 00:43:29.503 But I went to men's prisons, maximum security prisons, women's prisons, all of that to understand. 737 00:43:29.664 --> 00:43:34.026 And what we started doing in South Carolina, we started teaching them

financial literacy. 738 00:43:34.787 --> 00:43:36.528 We taught them how to do a resume. 739 00:43:37.388 --> 00:43:40.289 We gave them faith services. 740 00:43:41.029 --> 00:43:44.251 And then I asked my businesses to put equipment behind the fence. 741 00:43:44.651 --> 00:43:46.191 We started teaching them a trade. 742 00:43:47.212 --> 00:43:51.913 Now in South Carolina, when someone leaves the fence, they have a job to go to the next day. 743 00:43:51.973 --> 00:43:55.095 South Carolina has the lowest recidivism rate in the country. 744 00:43:55.115 --> 00:43:55.655 Are you serious? 745 00:43:56.175 --> 00:43:56.455 Wow. 746 00:43:56.655 --> 00:43:59.117 Because when you, you have to lift people up. 747 00:43:59.157 --> 00:44:00.098 You train a lot of these training people. 748 00:44:00.258 --> 00:44:03.179 You have to lift people up because what I saw is- So you have an alternative. 749 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:04.660 These women would get out of prison. 750 00:44:05.101 --> 00:44:08.062 The only places they could go was in a restaurant or a bar. 751 00:44:08.283 --> 00:44:10.864 They weren't making enough money so they'd have to- Why has that not become the rule? 752 00:44:10.884 --> 00:44:12.325 Why is that so logical? 753 00:44:12.966 --> 00:44:18.369 It takes more time, it takes more effort, but you're changing someone's life for the better. 754 00:44:18.689 --> 00:44:21.210 And everybody in South Carolina benefited from that. 755 00:44:21.610 --> 00:44:25.291 And it's just putting a little more thought, not just thinking about the number. 756 00:44:25.311 --> 00:44:26.252 Did you have opposition to that one? 757 00:44:26.272 --> 00:44:26.812 No opposition. 758 00:44:27.092 --> 00:44:28.913 I don't even think people knew I was doing it. 759 00:44:29.213 --> 00:44:31.814 You've had two styles of leadership or execution. 760 00:44:31.974 --> 00:44:35.455 One is you turned a crisis into an opportunity to change 761 00:44:36.115 --> 00:44:42.278 the confederate flag and put it in a museum, but on the prison stuff you did it just quietly without galvanizing people. 762 00:44:42.298 --> 00:44:47.160 And then going back to generating jobs, you were using marketing, you were using your own persona. 763 00:44:47.421 --> 00:44:49.101 Do you mind going back for a minute? 764 00:44:49.121 --> 00:44:53.083 Because I find that stunning what you described, that you got Boeing in there, you got all these companies in there. 765 00:44:53.464 --> 00:44:59.627 A couple more very practical tools on how you got Boeing or any of these other companies. 766 00:44:59.647 --> 00:45:03.268 Like just give us a story of how you pushed it through. 767 00:45:03.288 --> 00:45:04.469 Because that's not easy to achieve. 768 00:45:04.509 --> 00:45:09.915 The same negotiating skills that I learned on that playground apply to when you're recruiting companies. 769 00:45:10.235 --> 00:45:11.617 Many were fearful of unions. 770 00:45:11.857 --> 00:45:13.398 Many were fearful of

government. 771 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.821 Many were fearful of promises. 772 00:45:16.362 --> 00:45:19.425 And what I did was I didn't give the house away. 773 00:45:19.525 --> 00:45:20.986 I didn't believe in giving a lot of money. 774 00:45:21.727 --> 00:45:26.712 What I did believe is you give them the infrastructure around, whether it's the roads, the bridges, whatever they need. 775 00:45:27.413 --> 00:45:31.019 And then you put the trained workers in front of them so that they have those resources. 776 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:32.641 And I gave them a liaison. 777 00:45:32.661 --> 00:45:33.803 And you probably were also very charming. 778 00:45:33.903 --> 00:45:36.607 I gave every single one of them my personal cell phone. 779 00:45:37.067 --> 00:45:40.753 And I said, when you come here, you'll never have to call anybody. 780 00:45:40.773 --> 00:45:41.814 You can call me directly. 781 00:45:42.315 --> 00:45:50.862 looked at it is I worked for those companies because if they took care of our South Carolinians, I was going to make sure we took care of them and made sure a business environment was healthy for them. 782 00:45:50.902 --> 00:45:53.744 I want to pivot back now at the United Nations. 783 00:45:54.325 --> 00:45:58.768 Can you tell us a couple tips of how you achieved some of what you achieved? 784 00:45:58.808 --> 00:46:03.012 Walk us through one example of something you did, and then I'm going to ask you an even tougher question. 785 00:46:03.092 --> 00:46:03.292 Yeah. 786 00:46:03.392 --> 00:46:07.736 The one that I think was the most consequential was getting out of the Iran deal. 787 00:46:08.497 --> 00:46:14.822 And, you know, when President Obama first decided to get into the Iran deal, he didn't do it through Congress. 788 00:46:14.842 --> 00:46:16.224 He did it by executive order. 789 00:46:17.064 --> 00:46:20.688 And when he did that, Congress wanted to have accountability. 790 00:46:21.048 --> 00:46:28.355 So what they did was they passed a bill and said every 90 days, a president has to decide whether that is still in the best interest of the United States. 791 00:46:29.397 --> 00:46:30.518 So President Trump comes in. 792 00:46:30.558 --> 00:46:32.480 We have our first National Security Council. 793 00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:34.241 His 90 days is coming up. 794 00:46:34.482 --> 00:46:36.023 He's asking all the right questions. 795 00:46:36.183 --> 00:46:40.167 Everybody's pretty much telling him, yes, you know, we just need to keep doing this. 796 00:46:40.187 --> 00:46:41.068 We need to keep doing this. 797 00:46:41.188 --> 00:46:43.190 And he was asking a couple extra questions. 798 00:46:43.210 --> 00:46:46.653 Like it was legit that he and the questions he was asking were good ones. 799 00:46:46.873 --> 00:46:48.954 And I saw that he was kind of nervous about it. 800 00:46:49.315 --> 00:46:55.979 I was nervous because Iran was violating every single UN resolution that they were supposed to be holding. 801 00:46:55.999

--> 00:46:57.460 They were selling ballistic missiles. 802 00:46:57.720 --> 00:47:02.743 They were funding terrorist organizations, everything they weren't supposed to do and being held by a resolution. 803 00:47:03.163 --> 00:47:04.984 They were lying and they were cheating and doing it. 804 00:47:05.244 --> 00:47:09.767 So I went to the president and I said, I understand you're uncomfortable with this Iran deal. 805 00:47:09.967 --> 00:47:10.488 I am too. 806 00:47:11.208 --> 00:47:18.997 If you will let me, I would like to go to Vienna, where the International Atomic Energy Agency is, and ask them questions about this deal. 807 00:47:19.498 --> 00:47:22.401 And then I will come back to you, let you know everything I have. 808 00:47:22.541 --> 00:47:26.485 And then at the next 90 days, you'll have all the ammunition you need to make the decision. 809 00:47:27.453 --> 00:47:31.214 Against Rex Tillerson, who didn't want me to go, Trump said, go. 810 00:47:31.934 --> 00:47:39.556 So I go and I asked the panel, we know Iran is building this nuclear material and we know they're doing research in the universities. 811 00:47:39.716 --> 00:47:43.637 How often do you inspect the universities? 812 00:47:44.337 --> 00:47:46.097 They said, we don't inspect universities. 813 00:47:46.597 --> 00:47:50.398 I said, OK, well, we know the production is happening at their military installations. 814 00:47:50.999 --> 00:47:53.639 How often are you inspecting their military installations? 815 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.060 They said, we're not allowed to inspect their military installations. 816 00:47:57.460 --> 00:47:59.681 So I said, okay, what is it that you inspect? 817 00:48:00.161 --> 00:48:07.803 And they said, well, if we get a tip, we give them 45 days and then we go and we inspect. 818 00:48:08.663 --> 00:48:15.305 I came back and told President Trump, not only should you get out of the Iran deal, it would be irresponsible for you to stay in. 819 00:48:15.605 --> 00:48:22.887 And at that point, I went out and made the case for why he could get out of the deal so that we could get the public engaged. 820 00:48:23.667 --> 00:48:23.867 And... 821 00:48:24.547 --> 00:48:26.828 he went and made the decision to get out of the Iran deal. 822 00:48:26.928 --> 00:48:30.590 That, to me, was one of the most consequential things. 823 00:48:30.610 --> 00:48:32.431 I mean, you look at the war that we have now. 824 00:48:33.031 --> 00:48:35.092 But the whole point was they've lied. 825 00:48:35.252 --> 00:48:36.212 They've always lied. 826 00:48:36.232 --> 00:48:38.073 They've always wanted to destroy America. 827 00:48:38.093 --> 00:48:39.734 They've always wanted to destroy the West. 828 00:48:39.774 --> 00:48:41.315 They've made no bones about it. 829 00:48:41.915 --> 00:48:45.697 And us giving them money doesn't make them nicer or make them less hateful. 830 00:48:46.145 --> 00:48:49.366 Let's talk for a minute about the Islamic Republic regime. 831 00:48:49.546 -->

00:49:11.310 47 years, they've been saying death to America, death to Israel, deploying the largest sponsor of terrorism by far, it's not even close, today spending billions of dollars on social media with bots trying to undermine and divide Americans, killing their own people just in two days, somewhere like 58,000 people 832 00:49:13.733 --> 00:49:18.798 The vast majority of Iranians hate that regime that's oppressing. 833 00:49:18.818 --> 00:49:20.200 They're such good people. 834 00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:21.722 They deserve a better life. 835 00:49:22.122 --> 00:49:30.531 Like when I post content about what's going on, they love me because I just talk about what these people are suffering through. 836 00:49:31.612 --> 00:49:39.616 And I do understand that it's difficult that the oil prices are up and people are seeing that on their bills. 837 00:49:39.996 --> 00:49:48.340 Yes, this is so painful, but it's been 47 years of pain and it's only going to get worse if we don't bring this regime down. 838 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:52.022 Then tomorrow they're going to try again and again until they figure it out. 839 00:49:52.502 --> 00:49:59.172 If you were the president of the United States or you were advising the president of the United States, what would you do different of what this current administration is doing? 840 00:49:59.192 --> 00:50:06.261 Because I personally don't love the Trump administration, but honestly, at least this government is trying to stand up to this regime. 841 00:50:06.722 --> 00:50:07.844 But what would you do different? 842 00:50:08.272 --> 00:50:11.437 Obama thought giving them money would change their behavior. 843 00:50:11.677 --> 00:50:12.358 It didn't work. 844 00:50:12.738 --> 00:50:16.384 Biden thought trying to appease them would change their behavior. 845 00:50:16.504 --> 00:50:17.145 It didn't work. 846 00:50:17.585 --> 00:50:19.668 Trump was courageous to get out of the Iran deal. 847 00:50:20.049 --> 00:50:20.930 Very good move. 848 00:50:21.891 --> 00:50:22.813 This go around... 849 00:50:23.353 --> 00:50:28.739 I think he was right to go in and strike Iran because they were the weakest they had ever been. 850 00:50:29.140 --> 00:50:30.942 The difference I would have done. 851 00:50:31.763 --> 00:50:35.286 This is when a National Security Council matters the most. 852 00:50:35.727 --> 00:50:38.450 Because what you do is you have everybody around that table. 853 00:50:39.031 --> 00:50:42.274 And as you were preparing for those strikes, what you would have heard is... 854 00:50:43.175 --> 00:50:47.237 Well, this is what it will do to agriculture, fertilizer, all those. 855 00:50:47.517 --> 00:50:49.238 This is what it's going to do to oil prices. 856 00:50:49.258 --> 00:50:50.499 This is what will happen to commerce. 857 00:50:50.799 --> 00:50:52.920 But what would happen in the Strait of Hormuz? 858 00:50:53.361 --> 00:50:54.701 Are we looking at the Red Sea? 859 00:50:54.761 --> 00:50:55.622 What's plan B? 860 00:50:55.662 --> 00:50:56.242 What's plan C? 861 00:50:56.582 --> 00:50:59.284 You play it out so that there are no surprises. 862 00:50:59.864 --> 00:51:06.428 And I think coming off of Venezuela, which was another great thing when he extracted Maduro, this was never going to be easy. 863 00:51:07.168 --> 00:51:08.969 And so I think he went and did the strikes. 864 00:51:09.109 --> 00:51:12.950 And the mistake made was the Iranians always say, oh, we want to talk. 865 00:51:12.970 --> 00:51:13.730 We want to talk. 866 00:51:14.090 --> 00:51:15.031 Let's negotiate. 867 00:51:15.771 --> 00:51:19.992 Whenever they say that, that's code for we're going to refuel. 868 00:51:20.232 --> 00:51:21.233 We're going to rearm. 869 00:51:21.613 --> 00:51:24.414 They build back up so that they can hit you again. 870 00:51:24.874 --> 00:51:26.934 You can never trust the regime. 871 00:51:27.555 --> 00:51:31.576 Now the Trump administration is finally doing what needs to be done. 872 00:51:32.036 --> 00:51:33.817 You have to choke them economically. 873 00:51:34.137 --> 00:51:35.758 The regime has no problem suffering. 874 00:51:36.498 --> 00:51:38.139 They knew this was a game of chicken. 875 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:40.420 They knew it was who folded first. 876 00:51:40.961 --> 00:51:48.044 They knew that Americans weren't going to have the stomach, politically or economically, to wait this out the way they could. 877 00:51:48.264 --> 00:51:50.085 The gas prices started to go up. 878 00:51:50.365 --> 00:51:52.907 Politically, Trump was feeling the heat. 879 00:51:53.127 --> 00:51:54.647 Elected officials have felt the heat. 880 00:51:54.988 --> 00:51:59.270 And then economically, we're seeing it in utility bills and gas bills, all those things. 881 00:51:59.770 --> 00:52:01.611 Bottom line, don't let them breathe. 882 00:52:01.991 --> 00:52:16.237 Economic sanctions, which Secretary Besant is doing, why are they not bombing some of their oil infrastructure or finding more of their missile facilities or hitting the... Well, first of all, understand that what Besant's doing is not just sanctions. 883 00:52:16.417 --> 00:52:19.778 Finally, what they're doing is they're going after their shadow fleets. 884 00:52:19.958 --> 00:52:22.819 The Chinese have bought so much of their oil for so long. 885 00:52:23.139 --> 00:52:24.760 They're getting supplies from Russia. 886 00:52:24.780 --> 00:52:26.080 They're dealing with North Korea. 887 00:52:26.541 --> 00:52:27.141 All of those things. 888 00:52:27.341 --> 00:52:29.562 When you start to sanction those... 889 00:52:30.732 --> 00:52:32.293 that's when you truly stop. 890 00:52:32.673 --> 00:52:35.974 And blocking the Strait of Hormuz so that none of their oil can get out. 891 00:52:36.395 --> 00:52:38.696 Those two things together are pretty powerful. 892 00:52:38.736 --> 00:52:41.777 They have not yet sanctioned the Chinese banks. 893 00:52:42.557 --> 00:52:49.220 And I think they should, the second they do it,

China's gonna put their hands up because they don't care enough about Iran to suffer for them. 894 00:52:49.781 --> 00:52:52.662 They just like helping Iran because it's needling us. 895 00:52:53.262 --> 00:52:57.364 And so when you truly put the economic chokehold on them, 896 00:52:57.704 --> 00:52:59.225 That's the one thing they care about. 897 00:52:59.286 --> 00:53:05.271 And the thing they fear the most is Iranian citizens standing up in that protest. 898 00:53:05.291 --> 00:53:11.016 Do you know to this day in Iran, when they wake up, they see bodies hanging from the trees? 899 00:53:11.557 --> 00:53:15.060 They do that to remind them, this is what will happen to you if you protest. 900 00:53:15.080 --> 00:53:15.761 Still right now? 901 00:53:15.841 --> 00:53:16.761 Still today. 902 00:53:17.042 --> 00:53:18.363 Why doesn't the media talk about it? 903 00:53:18.383 --> 00:53:20.145 There has been knots that the media does not. 904 00:53:20.805 --> 00:53:23.127 Because they have social media cut off. 905 00:53:24.221 --> 00:53:25.302 Some is still getting through. 906 00:53:25.322 --> 00:53:25.922 No, in the U.S. media. 907 00:53:25.962 --> 00:53:27.363 Why doesn't the U.S. media... 908 00:53:28.044 --> 00:53:29.225 I don't know about these bodies. 909 00:53:29.645 --> 00:53:30.546 And I care about these issues. 910 00:53:30.586 --> 00:53:31.506 I didn't even know about these bodies. 911 00:53:31.526 --> 00:53:34.409 No, and you think about what we talk about in America. 912 00:53:34.449 --> 00:53:42.154 Can you imagine waking up with your children and walking down the street and seeing bodies hanging so that you are so fearful of saying anything? 913 00:53:42.515 --> 00:53:45.036 Can you imagine living the way they live? 914 00:53:45.116 --> 00:53:47.618 Because the regime is just fed off of them forever. 915 00:53:47.698 --> 00:53:47.939 I mean... 916 00:53:49.139 --> 00:53:52.561 No one deserves to live the way these Iranians are living. 917 00:53:52.841 --> 00:54:01.366 But the regime, the one thing that makes them squirm is when they stop with the money and we're seeing them squirm and now they're saying they want to negotiate again. 918 00:54:01.686 --> 00:54:03.567 And the key is we cannot fall for it. 919 00:54:03.727 --> 00:54:05.188 You have to hold China accountable. 920 00:54:05.208 --> 00:54:06.570 You have to hold Russia accountable. 921 00:54:06.810 --> 00:54:08.571 You have to hold their finances accountable. 922 00:54:08.752 --> 00:54:11.354 And then I know Trump is looking at Pickaxe Mountain. 923 00:54:11.834 --> 00:54:16.419 What we know is they have gone and stored a lot of their things in Pickaxe Mountain. 924 00:54:16.459 --> 00:54:22.224 I think if they go and see that there's more nuclear activity there or there's more to be done with the oil, I think they will. 925 00:54:22.664 --> 00:54:28.910 But you always want to do economically first before you go in and do anything major. 926 00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:36.695 I

think what's more important is the Iranian people aren't going to feel like they can stand up unless they have the weapons to defend themselves. 927 00:54:37.495 --> 00:54:45.060 That's the real question is at what point and how are you going to arm the Iranian people so that they can? 928 00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:46.981 Because once they stand up. 929 00:54:47.001 --> 00:54:47.762 What's the answer to it? 930 00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:54.842 I mean, the U.S. has been known before that we can go and supply things to help, but you have to get them on their knees first. 931 00:54:54.862 --> 00:54:57.343 You have to get the regime on their knees. 932 00:54:57.363 --> 00:55:00.325 You have to get them fully weakened so that people feel strong enough. 933 00:55:00.865 --> 00:55:02.186 And are they going to trust it? 934 00:55:02.746 --> 00:55:05.628 Because they went out to the streets when they were told to go out to the streets. 935 00:55:06.148 --> 00:55:09.710 And they watched thousands of people die, and they're living with it every day. 936 00:55:09.790 --> 00:55:11.731 So, I mean, this was a—this was— 937 00:55:12.491 --> 00:55:39.268 tragic traumatic and the spine that they had the courage that they had is gone i'll ask you one last question on foreign policy and then i want to pivot to uh you're running for president on that journey but uh and also about partisan politics but would you would there be anything you could use the united nations for on this front or the un is so dysfunctional that there's nothing they could do vis-a-vis iran today 938 00:55:39.835 --> 00:55:52.922 I said to the secretary general and I said to my ambassador friends when I left is the only way the United Nations will ever be relevant is if they have the courage to talk about things that are uncomfortable to talk about. 939 00:55:53.682 --> 00:55:59.765 They have yet to talk about covid, what China knew, what they didn't do to protect people. 940 00:56:00.065 --> 00:56:06.429 They've yet to talk about the World Health Organization and how they stayed silent and the connection between them and China. 941 00:56:06.749 --> 00:56:06.869 Right. 942 00:56:07.149 --> 00:56:17.192 I mean, millions of people died because of COVID and they haven't had one hearing on what happened and what the world needs to do to prevent it from happening again. 943 00:56:17.252 --> 00:56:20.032 Not one, because they don't want to touch China. 944 00:56:20.292 --> 00:56:20.892 You know, they won't. 945 00:56:21.153 --> 00:56:22.773 You're going to have high level week soon. 946 00:56:23.373 --> 00:56:30.675 And Taiwan, the officials in Taiwan aren't even allowed in the United Nations building unless they claim to be Chinese. 947 00:56:31.095 --> 00:56:31.775 Think about that. 948 00:56:32.075 --> 00:56:38.098 That's a full democracy and you're not going to allow them in the building until they're not a member state. 949 00:56:38.338 --> 00:56:41.439 No, because China will not allow them to be a member state. 950 00:56:41.879 --> 00:56:46.341 But the idea that even with a Taiwanese badge, they can't walk in the doors of the UN. 951 00:56:46.401 --> 00:56:47.802 And I tried to change that. 952 00:56:48.002 --> 00:56:49.562 And we were making progress. 953 00:56:49.923 --> 00:56:55.745 And China went in and just read the riot act to secretary general and threatened him and he backed off. 954 00:56:56.105 --> 00:56:57.667 to local politics. 955 00:56:57.707 --> 00:56:58.928 Do one last one on China. 956 00:56:58.968 --> 00:57:03.312 What would be your advice for President Trump in his negotiations with China right now? 957 00:57:03.565 --> 00:57:07.489 Understand that they want to achieve world domination. 958 00:57:08.410 --> 00:57:13.054 And if you know they want to achieve world domination, know that that's at America's expense. 959 00:57:13.634 --> 00:57:21.261 And so stop allowing thousands of Chinese students to come work in our research areas here in America and study at our schools. 960 00:57:21.882 --> 00:57:27.307 Start to focus on these Chinese police stations they have throughout the country that's policing people. 961 00:57:27.427 --> 00:57:29.190 Chinese nationals that are here. 962 00:57:29.731 --> 00:57:37.102 Look at the labs that we've found that have living viruses in them by Chinese nationals that have been found in our country. 963 00:57:37.682 --> 00:57:42.069 Start to look at how they're stealing all of our AI technology. 964 00:57:42.850 --> 00:57:46.891 And that stealing that, they're going to try and make it stronger to do harm to us. 965 00:57:46.931 --> 00:57:48.512 There's so many things. 966 00:57:49.012 --> 00:57:53.013 Understand adversaries are adversaries for life. 967 00:57:53.333 --> 00:57:58.354 Which ones are enemies and which ones are frenemies between Islamic Republic regime? 968 00:57:58.874 --> 00:58:01.295 Clearly an enemy, but the people are a friend. 969 00:58:01.555 --> 00:58:02.815 So that one I will answer. 970 00:58:03.156 --> 00:58:05.876 They're an enemy, the government, but the people are a friend. 971 00:58:06.737 --> 00:58:11.098 Russia, China, North Korea, Qatar, Turkey. 972 00:58:12.158 --> 00:58:15.500 Walk me through who is an enemy and who's a frenemy and who's a friend. 973 00:58:15.700 --> 00:58:20.964 So the regime, like it's not even worth communicating with them because they are going to be terrorists. 974 00:58:20.984 --> 00:58:21.764 That's who they are. 975 00:58:22.285 --> 00:58:24.466 All of these other countries, we need to talk to them. 976 00:58:24.806 --> 00:58:25.026 Right. 977 00:58:25.066 --> 00:58:33.252 So it's not like you cut off communication entirely, but you say only what needs to be said and you don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. 978 00:58:33.272 --> 00:58:40.857 You know, China just passed legislation that now high level Chinese officials can no longer travel. 979 00:58:41.971 --> 00:58:54.706 to the United States or outside of China, because they

don't want to happen to them what they do to Americans when they go to China, where they surveil them, where they steal from them, where they get intellectual property, all of those things. 980 00:58:54.967 --> 00:58:56.709 They're starting to really protect. 981 00:58:56.789 --> 00:58:59.392 That's why they're doing export controls and everything else. 982 00:58:59.893 --> 00:59:01.254 China's getting smarter. 983 00:59:02.135 --> 00:59:04.976 And we can't be weak in front of them. 984 00:59:05.296 --> 00:59:08.317 There's a lot of things that they've done to hurt us with the Iran war. 985 00:59:08.618 --> 00:59:12.019 There's a lot of things they've done to hurt us with the Russia-Ukrainian war. 986 00:59:12.359 --> 00:59:15.080 There's a lot of things they're trying to do to hurt us with Taiwan. 987 00:59:15.340 --> 00:59:17.781 And there's a lot they're trying to do with AI and other things. 988 00:59:18.301 --> 00:59:22.963 Don't give them an inch because they will turn it into something much bigger. 989 00:59:23.043 --> 00:59:24.203 We have to be smart. 990 00:59:24.383 --> 00:59:30.506 So let's pivot to American policy and understand what President Trump talks about America first. 991 00:59:31.386 --> 00:59:36.631 Is America First America's strength and leadership in the world? 992 00:59:36.831 --> 00:59:43.077 Or is America First American withdrawal and not being involved in other things? 993 00:59:43.097 --> 00:59:46.060 Because I think it's a very big question for the Republican Party today. 994 00:59:46.080 --> 00:59:51.024 I'm very curious how this is going to play out and what you will do about it. 995 00:59:51.084 --> 00:59:54.948 Well, first of all, America's people are America's strength. 996 00:59:55.548 --> 01:00:07.472 All day long, I will say that it is the heart of who we are and how we feel and what we believe and our love of freedom and democracy that makes us the strength that we are. 997 01:00:08.112 --> 01:00:13.494 You know, we just had to endure the 25th anniversary of 9-11. 998 01:00:13.854 --> 01:00:16.155 The number one lesson you take away from 9-11. 999 01:00:17.795 --> 01:00:23.343 is when you focus just on America, those that hate us will come here. 1000 01:00:24.224 --> 01:00:27.088 Our goal is to prevent another 9-11. 1001 01:00:27.168 --> 01:00:31.293 In order to prevent another 9-11, you have to deal with terrorists there. 1002 01:00:31.834 --> 01:00:33.436 That's why we're involved with Iran. 1003 01:00:33.756 --> 01:00:36.457 That's why we're trying to stop them from having a nuclear weapon. 1004 01:00:36.537 --> 01:00:40.019 That's why we're trying to stop them from doing more terrorist activities. 1005 01:00:40.439 --> 01:00:44.241 You have to control it overseas so that it doesn't touch Americans. 1006 01:00:44.261 --> 01:00:47.483 That's the number one rule is we have to keep Americans safe. 1007 01:00:47.583 --> 01:00:49.264 That's financially safe. 1008 01:00:49.584 --> 01:00:51.665 That's from a national security perspective. 1009 01:00:51.965 --> 01:00:53.406 Are you protecting freedoms? 1010 01:00:53.826 --> 01:00:55.587 Are you protecting individual liberties? 1011 01:00:55.667 --> 01:00:57.208 Those are the things we should focus on. 1012 01:00:57.248 --> 01:00:59.949 But understand safety and national security. 1013 01:01:00.369 --> 01:01:03.491 We have to be dealing abroad in order to keep ourselves safe. 1014 01:01:03.531 --> 01:01:05.992 This is about preventing war, not starting a war. 1015 01:01:06.132 --> 01:01:12.955 So what happens, whoever gets the nomination in 2028, how would you approach your role in the Republican Party? 1016 01:01:13.035 --> 01:01:15.657 I think the American people have to approach 1017 01:01:16.417 --> 01:01:20.240 their role in what American politics are going to look like going forward. 1018 01:01:20.560 --> 01:01:21.741 This is about our children. 1019 01:01:21.801 --> 01:01:23.162 This is about our grandchildren. 1020 01:01:23.222 --> 01:01:25.884 This is about making sure another 9-11 doesn't happen. 1021 01:01:26.304 --> 01:01:27.385 None of us wants war. 1022 01:01:27.645 --> 01:01:32.188 I'm the wife of a combat veteran who did two deployments. 1023 01:01:32.248 --> 01:01:33.349 He was in Afghanistan. 1024 01:01:33.589 --> 01:01:37.072 I know as a military spouse what that feels like. 1025 01:01:37.292 --> 01:01:41.975 I don't want anyone's spouse to have to go or son or daughter to have to go. 1026 01:01:42.776 --> 01:01:45.899 But you do things to prevent them having to go. 1027 01:01:45.999 --> 01:01:47.600 That's what we should have done. 1028 01:01:47.620 --> 01:01:51.924 Iran was not dealt with when it needed to be dealt with all 47 years. 1029 01:01:52.084 --> 01:01:55.907 What are the conditions under which you would run for president in 2028? 1030 01:01:56.027 --> 01:01:57.829 I'm not running for president in 2028. 1031 01:01:58.069 --> 01:01:58.629 For certain. 1032 01:01:58.890 --> 01:01:59.410 For certain. 1033 01:01:59.690 --> 01:02:04.975 But there's no scenario where things are getting so bad and other leaders don't rise that you'd run in 2028. 1034 01:02:04.995 --> 01:02:05.555 What about 2032? 1035 01:02:05.615 --> 01:02:07.617 How do you think about, as a leader... 1036 01:02:08.097 --> 01:02:12.658 who is the only woman to have ever won a Republican primary. 1037 01:02:12.718 --> 01:02:13.799 I'll never say never. 1038 01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:15.179 I'm not going to do that. 1039 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.340 I'm not going to pigeonhole myself that way. 1040 01:02:17.660 --> 01:02:24.562 But I know enough to know in 2028, Americans, like, I don't know what the landscape of the country is yet. 1041 01:02:24.902 --> 01:02:25.702 And I don't think... 1042 01:02:27.173 --> 01:02:30.214 We're going to find out in the midterms and we're going to find out after that. 1043 01:02:30.914 --> 01:02:33.875 But we really have to see where Americans are. 1044 01:02:34.195 --> 01:02:37.196

It's about them getting the leadership they want. 1045 01:02:37.496 --> 01:02:47.419 And I think whatever that leadership is- Are there circumstances under which you would be more engaged in helping the candidate on circumstances and say, no, I'm not going to be involved at all because this is- 1046 01:02:48.575 --> 01:02:51.196 an isolationist or this or this? 1047 01:02:51.276 --> 01:02:54.678 How would you decide about your- I'm only going to help people I believe in. 1048 01:02:55.098 --> 01:02:58.599 I mean, I'm only going to fight for- I mean, that's just at the core of who I am. 1049 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.300 Like, it has to be- What are your, like, red lines? 1050 01:03:01.560 --> 01:03:02.741 Mine is very clear. 1051 01:03:03.061 --> 01:03:05.582 National security and keeping America safe. 1052 01:03:05.722 --> 01:03:07.623 And that means you have to prevent war. 1053 01:03:07.723 --> 01:03:11.965 And preventing war means that, yes, you have to keep our enemies at bay. 1054 01:03:12.165 --> 01:03:12.885 The economy- 1055 01:03:13.425 --> 01:03:18.790 Our debt, $40 trillion in debt, and Republicans and Democrats are both to blame. 1056 01:03:18.910 --> 01:03:20.711 They're spending like drunken sailors. 1057 01:03:21.232 --> 01:03:22.553 No one's talking about it. 1058 01:03:22.953 --> 01:03:27.917 Entitlements, Social Security will go bankrupt in six years. 1059 01:03:28.038 --> 01:03:30.720 75 million Americans are going to be affected by that. 1060 01:03:30.740 --> 01:03:31.440 25%. 1061 01:03:33.773 --> 01:03:35.295 of their benefits are going to go away. 1062 01:03:35.695 --> 01:03:37.838 And no one in Congress is talking about it. 1063 01:03:38.178 --> 01:03:45.367 Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are solving issues that 80% of citizens can agree on 80% of the solutions. 1064 01:03:45.648 --> 01:03:50.253 And the Democrats and Republicans are more focused on scoring points and on solving them. 1065 01:03:50.313 --> 01:03:53.457 So what can we as citizens do to hold them accountable? 1066 01:03:53.457 --> 01:04:00.818 But also look at the one thing no one wants to talk about, which is the foreign influence that is now happening in our campaigns. 1067 01:04:01.438 --> 01:04:10.600 And I can tell you when there were 13 of us running for president, Trump and I were the last two standing. 1068 01:04:10.860 --> 01:04:19.461 And in New Hampshire, after Iowa and New Hampshire, the intelligence community asked to meet with me and met with me and said, 1069 01:04:23.362 --> 01:04:24.743 are meddling in your campaign. 1070 01:04:26.083 --> 01:04:31.205 What they do, the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, the North Koreans, to some extent, they all do this. 1071 01:04:31.546 --> 01:04:32.986 They look for division points. 1072 01:04:33.186 --> 01:04:36.888 But more than that, there was just a Chinese bot farm that was found. 1073 01:04:37.468 --> 01:04:40.669 And what they do is they try and create the narratives. 1074 01:04:40.870 --> 01:04:42.410 The Russians started that in 2016. 1075 01:04:42.550 --> 01:04:43.731 I saw it this morning. 1076 01:04:43.771 --> 01:04:44.851 This morning, I saw a post. 1077 01:04:45.552 --> 01:04:45.732 And... 1078 01:04:46.652 --> 01:04:51.999 There were so many comments and you'd click and the person commenting has zero followers or two followers. 1079 01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:53.381 Yes, those are all bots. 1080 01:04:53.661 --> 01:04:55.944 Why are social media companies not doing something more about it? 1081 01:04:55.965 --> 01:04:57.767 Why is the government not doing something more about it? 1082 01:04:57.787 --> 01:04:58.888 How can we hold them accountable? 1083 01:04:59.069 --> 01:05:01.952 I have called the tech companies out in two ways. 1084 01:05:02.233 --> 01:05:04.376 One, they should show us their algorithms. 1085 01:05:04.476 --> 01:05:04.636 One. 1086 01:05:04.896 --> 01:05:09.540 Every citizen in this country deserves to know why do they see what they see. 1087 01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:10.480 That's the first thing. 1088 01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:16.465 The second thing is these tech companies should be required to disclose the number of bots. 1089 01:05:16.905 --> 01:05:17.846 I have asked them. 1090 01:05:18.466 --> 01:05:21.108 They all give you excuses and say, oh, but we're trying. 1091 01:05:21.128 --> 01:05:22.189 But think about it, Daniel. 1092 01:05:22.629 --> 01:05:28.554 The reason the tech companies don't want to let you know, their valuations would go through the floor. 1093 01:05:28.854 --> 01:05:33.097 I observe on both political parties how loyalty sometimes... 1094 01:05:34.416 --> 01:05:36.877 actually hurts our country and their own party. 1095 01:05:37.197 --> 01:05:45.119 Which Republican candidate for you, you would not support because they fall below your standards? 1096 01:05:45.479 --> 01:05:48.520 Oh, I'm not going to say that now because we don't know who the candidate's going to be. 1097 01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:53.562 But the bigger question that we need to be asking, Daniel, is how do we end up with candidates like this? 1098 01:05:54.422 --> 01:06:00.385 And the reason we end up with candidates like this is because less than 15% of people vote in primaries. 1099 01:06:00.705 --> 01:06:03.506 And why do less than 15% of people vote in primaries? 1100 01:06:03.566 --> 01:06:04.687 Because in school... 1101 01:06:05.794 --> 01:06:10.496 Growing up, we're taught the importance of voting in a general election. 1102 01:06:11.177 --> 01:06:15.379 And in school, they do not talk about the importance of voting in a primary. 1103 01:06:15.499 --> 01:06:16.799 That's so important. 1104 01:06:16.879 --> 01:06:18.480 And I said through my campaign. 1105 01:06:18.500 --> 01:06:25.343 The single most important piece of advice that Nick is giving you today, if you care about your country, vote in the primaries. 1106 01:06:25.463 --> 01:06:28.065 And what I said in the campaign was... 1107 01:06:29.280

--> 01:06:34.086 In a general election, you're given a choice, but in a primary, you make your choice. 1108 01:06:34.927 --> 01:06:35.848 Make your choice. 1109 01:06:35.968 --> 01:06:38.872 Be a part of who's going to represent you in the party. 1110 01:06:38.932 --> 01:06:39.653 Be a part of that. 1111 01:06:40.033 --> 01:06:44.139 You can't complain once you get to the general if you were never involved in the primary process. 1112 01:06:44.947 --> 01:06:50.470 Give us something that we don't know about running for president, that experience. 1113 01:06:50.530 --> 01:06:59.134 I mean, that must have been quite a heady, challenging experience because you challenged President Trump, who didn't take that lightly. 1114 01:06:59.154 --> 01:07:03.917 I mean, you have to be able to endure an enormous amount of pain. 1115 01:07:04.217 --> 01:07:08.203 You have to be able to, it pushes every limit. 1116 01:07:09.345 --> 01:07:11.508 There were 16, 17-hour days. 1117 01:07:11.969 --> 01:07:14.413 You're in a different place every day. 1118 01:07:14.433 --> 01:07:15.474 You don't know where you are. 1119 01:07:15.594 --> 01:07:18.278 I didn't do the DeSantis route and fly private. 1120 01:07:18.899 --> 01:07:19.620 We were flying... 1121 01:07:20.381 --> 01:07:22.262 commercial the entire time. 1122 01:07:22.522 --> 01:07:29.486 We were staying in hotels that were gross, like the whole thing, because we wanted every dollar to go to touching a voter. 1123 01:07:30.126 --> 01:07:33.108 And to do that, I had my staff buy their own trash cans. 1124 01:07:33.148 --> 01:07:35.649 I mean, we were super economical. 1125 01:07:36.149 --> 01:07:42.873 And at the end, what I'm so proud of is at the end of the campaign, when I suspended, we sent donors back money. 1126 01:07:43.935 --> 01:07:45.719 That's how my check you did. 1127 01:07:45.779 --> 01:07:46.340 I promise. 1128 01:07:46.540 --> 01:07:49.926 But more importantly, I think the biggest thing about running for president is 1129 01:07:51.154 --> 01:07:52.875 is what I did to get ready for it. 1130 01:07:53.636 --> 01:07:55.457 And that was I ran a half marathon. 1131 01:07:56.218 --> 01:07:56.518 Really? 1132 01:07:56.778 --> 01:07:58.399 I had not run before. 1133 01:07:58.419 --> 01:08:00.781 I mean, played tennis in high school. 1134 01:08:00.801 --> 01:08:01.562 You had the stamina. 1135 01:08:01.662 --> 01:08:02.182 I wasn't around. 1136 01:08:02.202 --> 01:08:03.203 It was a physical aspect. 1137 01:08:03.223 --> 01:08:14.091 I needed to know before I put my family through it, before I put my team through it, that I had the mental strength, the emotional strength, and the physical strength to endure any amount of pain 1138 01:08:14.391 --> 01:08:15.912 What about for the mental and emotional? 1139 01:08:15.932 --> 01:08:22.458 When you're running a half marathon and your body starts to shut down, it's your mind that keeps you going. 1140 01:08:22.598 --> 01:08:29.084 And your mind tells you, forget the pain, mute out all the noise and mute out all the distractions. 1141 01:08:29.224 --> 01:08:35.931 And then the emotional strength is when you think you can't take another step, you dig deep. 1142 01:08:36.611 --> 01:08:38.614 And you say, yes, I can. 1143 01:08:38.634 --> 01:08:43.802 Because your body tends to make you think something, but your mind is the one that's going to make the decision. 1144 01:08:43.822 --> 01:08:46.186 What's the craziest story that happened to you on the campaign trail? 1145 01:08:46.727 --> 01:08:47.368 So many. 1146 01:08:47.388 --> 01:08:51.134 But, you know, one, we were leaving New Hampshire and we were leaving New Hampshire. 1147 01:08:52.073 --> 01:08:57.337 And when we were walking out, getting into the car, somebody tried to jump into the car. 1148 01:08:58.058 --> 01:09:01.040 One of the people got him out of the car and then he jumped in the front seat. 1149 01:09:01.120 --> 01:09:05.463 And then they got him out of the front seat and then he jumped on the hood of the car and was just screaming. 1150 01:09:05.924 --> 01:09:07.745 Against you or just mentally? 1151 01:09:07.865 --> 01:09:10.988 Against that he was so angry I was running against Trump. 1152 01:09:11.588 --> 01:09:12.689 Oh, he was like during the. 1153 01:09:13.295 --> 01:09:13.615 Yeah. 1154 01:09:14.376 --> 01:09:14.656 Yeah. 1155 01:09:15.416 --> 01:09:30.765 You know, those or even- That's what's dangerous about our political moment is that on the left, there's all this cancel culture and on the right from President Trump, there's punch down culture and a combination of them intimidates people from speaking up and being themselves. 1156 01:09:30.845 --> 01:09:36.529 Not only that, it was just a few months ago, someone was arrested and put in prison and 1157 01:09:37.129 --> 01:09:41.151 Because he paid an informant to have me killed. 1158 01:09:41.531 --> 01:09:48.254 He was an IRGC, the Iranian regime, paid a Pakistani businessman money to, 1159 01:09:50.215 --> 01:09:57.356 And that's the reason why I'm so adamant about Iran is they are targeting Americans on American soil. 1160 01:09:58.217 --> 01:10:00.837 They have tried to get Trump multiple times. 1161 01:10:01.577 --> 01:10:06.858 Like we should not be giving them even a breath when they're doing things like that. 1162 01:10:06.978 --> 01:10:09.499 But that's because I speak out against the regime. 1163 01:10:09.679 --> 01:10:11.119 We have to be truth tellers. 1164 01:10:11.379 --> 01:10:17.340 Well, now that we've reached the moment of truth, we're going to move to the Mexican Inquisition. 1165 01:10:19.252 --> 01:10:23.353 So I'm going to ask you tough, tough questions, and you have to choose. 1166 01:10:23.693 --> 01:10:26.034 You can't give me a political, diplomatic answer. 1167 01:10:26.054 --> 01:10:27.014 You need to make choices. 1168 01:10:27.434 --> 01:10:32.435 First question, who is an unlikely hero that helped you get to this moment? 1169 01:10:33.235 -->

01:10:43.458 President Trump, who nominated you to the United Nations, or Hillary Clinton, who in 2003 gave a speech that inspired you also to run for politics? 1170 01:10:43.478 --> 01:10:47.959 That's so tough, because before I ran for the statehouse, 1171 01:10:48.902 --> 01:10:53.284 I went to this Women in Leadership Conference and Hillary Clinton was speaking. 1172 01:10:53.784 --> 01:10:57.246 And everybody told me I shouldn't run at that point, except my mom. 1173 01:10:57.466 --> 01:11:04.429 And Hillary Clinton said on stage to the group of women, for every reason people tell you not to do it, that's exactly why you should. 1174 01:11:05.150 --> 01:11:07.351 And I walked out of there and I said, I'm running for the statehouse. 1175 01:11:07.829 --> 01:11:10.451 So had it not been for that moment, maybe you had not done it. 1176 01:11:10.511 --> 01:11:11.252 I wouldn't have done it. 1177 01:11:11.352 --> 01:11:15.855 Like that was just, I thought, all I knew was everybody was telling me all the reasons why I couldn't. 1178 01:11:15.995 --> 01:11:18.097 And she was like, those are all the reasons you should. 1179 01:11:18.117 --> 01:11:20.399 So should we give her the unlikely hero? 1180 01:11:20.819 --> 01:11:22.160 Because she's the unsung hero? 1181 01:11:22.240 --> 01:11:26.244 I can say that, you know, between her and a fortune cookie. 1182 01:11:26.284 --> 01:11:30.827 The second thing was I opened a fortune cookie when the race was really nasty. 1183 01:11:31.288 --> 01:11:35.571 When I ran for that statehouse seat and the fortune cookie said, winners do what losers don't want to. 1184 01:11:35.851 --> 01:11:40.495 So I should have put Fortune Cookie or Hillary Clinton. 1185 01:11:40.796 --> 01:11:46.701 Which famous South Carolina do you think you would have a more fascinating dinner conversation with? 1186 01:11:47.282 --> 01:11:53.487 Stephen Colbert, the former host of The Late Show, or Ben Bernanke, the former Fed chair? 1187 01:11:54.048 --> 01:11:57.171 So I've met Stephen Colbert, so I would have to say Ben Bernanke. 1188 01:11:57.803 --> 01:11:59.364 Because it's someone new that you haven't met? 1189 01:11:59.404 --> 01:12:00.524 Yeah, I love to learn. 1190 01:12:00.544 --> 01:12:04.606 And so as much as I can learn, I would just love to hear that conversation. 1191 01:12:04.726 --> 01:12:11.208 Which historical figure, if you could choose one strategic advisor and only one, would you choose? 1192 01:12:11.748 --> 01:12:20.252 Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State and National Security Council head, or Margaret Thatcher, the former British Prime Minister? 1193 01:12:20.272 --> 01:12:21.312 That was epic also. 1194 01:12:21.728 --> 01:12:27.812 I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time with Henry Kissinger when I was at the UN, but Margaret Thatcher. 1195 01:12:27.952 --> 01:12:35.037 I mean, it's just, it's remarkable what she did during her time against all the challenges she went through. 1196 01:12:35.437 --> 01:12:37.579 What's one thing that broke you? 1197 01:12:38.434 --> 01:12:41.636 and then built you back into who you became and are today. 1198 01:12:42.277 --> 01:12:56.367 Being the outsider governor of South Carolina with constant attacks from within, including ethics investigations and efforts to unseat you, or when you ran for president and Michael was deployed to the Horn of Africa for over a year. 1199 01:12:56.848 --> 01:13:03.913 What broke me and built me back up was the murders of Mother Emanuel. 1200 01:13:05.161 --> 01:13:17.791 I was at my lowest, lowest point after attending all those funerals and getting that flag down that I remember being on my knees saying, God, I can't do this. 1201 01:13:18.311 --> 01:13:19.052 I need you to help. 1202 01:13:19.312 --> 01:13:29.200 And the strength I was able to get after that to continue what needed to be done, that really was my breaking point, my building point. 1203 01:13:30.441 --> 01:13:32.843 It was an important moment for our country. 1204 01:13:32.863 --> 01:13:33.003 Mm-hmm. 1205 01:13:34.510 --> 01:13:41.032 It's tragic, though, sometimes that horrible facts are what needs to then move us. 1206 01:13:41.272 --> 01:13:43.293 Yeah. 1207 01:13:43.993 --> 01:13:46.234 What shaped you more into who you are today? 1208 01:13:46.954 --> 01:13:58.197 Growing as the only Indian family in a South Carolina town of 2,500 people or converting from Sikhism to Christianity at 24 after marrying Michael? 1209 01:13:59.178 --> 01:13:59.878 I mean, both. 1210 01:13:59.978 --> 01:14:00.278 Both. 1211 01:14:01.368 --> 01:14:05.429 Those are, I mean, those are such integral parts of my life. 1212 01:14:05.489 --> 01:14:11.831 They, like, one really shaped my character, and the other truly shaped my faith. 1213 01:14:12.191 --> 01:14:16.873 And, like, both of those are so strong, I couldn't pick between the two of those. 1214 01:14:17.375 --> 01:14:21.098 Which early job or experience was more formative for you? 1215 01:14:21.758 --> 01:14:28.403 Running for the pageant and then being pulled because you didn't fit the black or white kid thing? 1216 01:14:29.143 --> 01:14:33.286 Or working for your mom, doing all the accounting for her clothing store? 1217 01:14:33.707 --> 01:14:35.788 I started doing the books for the family business at 13. 1218 01:14:35.828 --> 01:14:35.928 And- 1219 01:14:38.850 --> 01:14:47.395 What I learned from that was when times were tough, you learned how to stretch a dollar and you got creative and you got stronger. 1220 01:14:47.815 --> 01:14:51.637 And when times were good, you never celebrated because you knew the bad times were going to happen again. 1221 01:14:52.018 --> 01:14:54.159 So that was definitely a huge thing. 1222 01:14:55.134 --> 01:14:56.655 What drives you? 1223 01:14:57.075 --> 01:15:03.378 Advancing American values to win on behalf of America and prevail? 1224 01:15:04.419 --> 01:15:11.643 Or an instinct to achieve justice in the world to prevent the

bad guys from doing evil to the world? 1225 01:15:12.463 --> 01:15:13.764 I want to fix things. 1226 01:15:14.164 --> 01:15:23.452 I don't know what the answer is to that, but that's what drives me, is seeing a problem and fixing it and having everybody else benefit because you did the work. 1227 01:15:23.753 --> 01:15:27.776 Okay, Nikki Haley, we're moving to our final stretch, build or break. 1228 01:15:27.816 --> 01:15:30.899 If it's something that you believe in, it's a thumbs up, you say build. 1229 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.962 And if something you don't like, thumbs down, break. 1230 01:15:34.542 --> 01:15:36.664 Build or break the palmito bowl. 1231 01:15:38.377 --> 01:15:38.697 Build. 1232 01:15:39.397 --> 01:15:45.940 Build or break $5,000 payments to every family if Republicans retain Congress. 1233 01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:50.501 I'm all for people getting their money back because I think government's wasting it. 1234 01:15:50.701 --> 01:15:52.002 But where are you getting it from? 1235 01:15:52.022 --> 01:15:56.143 Because that's a trillion dollars more and I don't want to see us a trillion dollars more in debt. 1236 01:15:56.163 --> 01:16:00.685 So break until you can give me answers as to where that's coming from. 1237 01:16:01.363 --> 01:16:03.124 Build or break the United Nations. 1238 01:16:03.624 --> 01:16:04.364 Oh, break. 1239 01:16:05.525 --> 01:16:08.686 Build or break running for president in the future. 1240 01:16:09.247 --> 01:16:11.068 It's not a break, so I'll say build. 1241 01:16:11.228 --> 01:16:11.508 Good. 1242 01:16:12.768 --> 01:16:18.011 Build or break post-employment lobbying moratoriums for elected officials. 1243 01:16:18.411 --> 01:16:19.031 Oh, build. 1244 01:16:20.132 --> 01:16:20.512 100%. 1245 01:16:21.252 --> 01:16:22.813 Build or break the Tea Party. 1246 01:16:23.637 --> 01:16:24.197 Oh, build. 1247 01:16:24.898 --> 01:16:26.298 I was a product of the Tea Party. 1248 01:16:26.458 --> 01:16:30.500 It was taxed enough already, and I still am a product of the Tea Party. 1249 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:31.501 But what happened? 1250 01:16:31.521 --> 01:16:33.621 Has it deformed more? 1251 01:16:33.701 --> 01:16:34.182 What happened? 1252 01:16:34.202 --> 01:16:42.545 You know what happened is, it was this great uprising of the people saying, we're taxed enough already, didn't trust government, not enough transparency, too much spending. 1253 01:16:42.665 --> 01:16:45.887 And then what happened is, it started to get fringe groups. 1254 01:16:46.167 --> 01:16:49.228 But the original thought of the Tea Party was great. 1255 01:16:49.989 --> 01:16:51.849 Build or break child beauty pageants. 1256 01:16:52.670 --> 01:16:53.010 Break. 1257 01:16:55.718 --> 01:16:58.859 Build or break getting to live in the governor's mansion. 1258 01:16:59.599 --> 01:17:00.499 Oh, build. 1259 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:02.140 It was a great experience with the kids. 1260 01:17:02.580 --> 01:17:05.361 Build or break getting locked out of

the governor's mansion. 1261 01:17:05.441 --> 01:17:06.161 Oh, break. 1262 01:17:06.481 --> 01:17:11.303 Michael was deployed in Afghanistan, and he just sent me an email that was like, really, Nikki? 1263 01:17:11.323 --> 01:17:12.883 How was the story? 1264 01:17:13.484 --> 01:17:15.464 That, you know, I was getting the kids out. 1265 01:17:15.504 --> 01:17:16.605 Michael was deployed. 1266 01:17:16.625 --> 01:17:17.785 I was governor. 1267 01:17:18.205 --> 01:17:22.507 And my son had to have, he was doing this event that day, so he had to be dressed up. 1268 01:17:22.968 --> 01:17:25.589 And he couldn't get, he was like, Mom, I need help with my tie. 1269 01:17:26.310 --> 01:17:28.991 And so I went to go help and it shows how bad I am. 1270 01:17:29.011 --> 01:17:30.732 It was a clip-on tie and I still couldn't get it. 1271 01:17:31.212 --> 01:17:36.615 And so I got him, put him out, you know, got him outside, handed him to security at the time. 1272 01:17:36.636 --> 01:17:38.537 And I was like, kissed him, said, have a good day. 1273 01:17:38.897 --> 01:17:40.598 And I turned around, I'm in my robe. 1274 01:17:40.658 --> 01:17:42.339 I turned around and I go to open the door. 1275 01:17:43.733 --> 01:17:44.634 And it's locked. 1276 01:17:45.534 --> 01:17:46.655 And there's security cameras. 1277 01:17:46.695 --> 01:17:48.176 And I'm looking at the security cameras. 1278 01:17:48.296 --> 01:17:50.058 It felt like forever. 1279 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:52.660 It was probably just a minute. 1280 01:17:52.700 --> 01:17:54.481 And then all of a sudden, my daughter opens the door. 1281 01:17:54.501 --> 01:17:57.483 And she's like, Mom, what are you doing outside in your robe? 1282 01:17:57.523 --> 01:17:58.564 And I said, I got locked out. 1283 01:17:58.965 --> 01:18:00.226 I go and get her dressed. 1284 01:18:01.165 --> 01:18:07.568 And I happened, it's my own fault, I happened to tweet out what not to do getting locked out with your robe on. 1285 01:18:07.989 --> 01:18:11.931 And I got into the car and security said, Governor, I'm sorry you've had such a tough day. 1286 01:18:11.971 --> 01:18:13.452 And I was like, oh, did you see my tweet? 1287 01:18:13.472 --> 01:18:15.293 And he said, no, I heard it on the radio. 1288 01:18:15.753 --> 01:18:17.134 And I went, oh, my gosh. 1289 01:18:17.634 --> 01:18:22.016 And then the next thing I know, my team was calling and all the comms had blown up. 1290 01:18:22.476 --> 01:18:25.258 And they were like the TV stations asking for the video. 1291 01:18:25.378 --> 01:18:27.259 And it just, it was on the Today Show. 1292 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:28.259 It was on CNN. 1293 01:18:28.299 --> 01:18:28.800 It was on... 1294 01:18:29.580 --> 01:18:31.682 Everybody was talking about me getting locked out. 1295 01:18:31.782 --> 01:18:34.825 And that's when Michael sent the email and was like, really, Nikki? 1296 01:18:34.865 --> 01:18:35.605 And I was like, uh. 1297 01:18:36.046 --> 01:18:38.868 But what I find funny is to hear that your kids are your kids. 1298 01:18:38.888 --> 01:18:42.551 That's the coolest thing about your story is your mom. 1299 01:18:42.971 --> 01:18:49.637 Like you're the governor of South Carolina, the first female Indian American minority. 1300 01:18:49.817 --> 01:18:52.379 And mom, none of that matters. 1301 01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:55.862 And I always anybody that's that's looking to, you know. 1302 01:18:56.382 --> 01:18:58.184 run for office or ask me anything. 1303 01:18:58.204 --> 01:19:01.426 I always said if I was a good mom and a good wife, I'd be a good governor. 1304 01:19:01.687 --> 01:19:04.049 If I was a good mom and a good wife, I'd be a good ambassador. 1305 01:19:04.069 --> 01:19:07.051 If I was a good mom and a good wife, I'd be a presidential candidate. 1306 01:19:07.492 --> 01:19:09.073 It's always family first. 1307 01:19:09.433 --> 01:19:13.677 The kids will tell you I was very conscious about making sure that they felt normal. 1308 01:19:14.117 --> 01:19:15.778 And also they made you be normal. 1309 01:19:15.878 --> 01:19:16.158 Yeah. 1310 01:19:16.238 --> 01:19:17.938 That's for me, that's what's important about kids. 1311 01:19:17.958 --> 01:19:20.939 When I was running kind and I had incredible days or terrible days. 1312 01:19:20.959 --> 01:19:21.779 They humble you. 1313 01:19:22.019 --> 01:19:30.241 They're just, you're the parent with all your imperfections and they will treat you like their parent, not like the governor of South Carolina. 1314 01:19:30.281 --> 01:19:30.681 That's right. 1315 01:19:30.701 --> 01:19:31.762 It's true. 1316 01:19:32.242 --> 01:19:34.302 Nikki, it's such a pleasure having you on Builder Break. 1317 01:19:34.322 --> 01:19:35.543 Thank you so much for being here today. 1318 01:19:35.563 --> 01:19:36.643 Thanks for the conversation. 1319 01:19:37.897 --> 01:19:39.539 We want you to become a builder with us. 1320 01:19:39.859 --> 01:19:44.203 So subscribe to Builder Break now and leave us a comment or a review. 1321 01:19:44.663 --> 01:19:55.413 We're trying to build a movement and you can be part of it by hitting the notification bell and telling us what you think about this episode and by telling all your friends to watch too. 1322 01:19:55.873 --> 01:19:56.274 Thank you.