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Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Thursday, November 5th. I'm
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All right, on today's show, we're going to welcome in
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Michael Pettit.
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He's one of our scheme insiders specializing on the defensive
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side of the ball. We're looking at the Ohio State
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defense and their performance today. Against USC. And man, that
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was really a mixed bag because.
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For long chunks of that, it was like, all right,
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not too bad.
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And then you give a couple of huge plays and
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all of a sudden you're giving up 30 points. So
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we're going to, what are we going to try to
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make of all that? We're going to try and sort
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that out for you. And Michael, we're going to start
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with a coverage concept. A lot of these we've seen
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before and they've been executed well or not well before.
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So we're going to be looking at how they did
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it with, with familiar concepts that we're going to start
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with one. It's a new one as far as I
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can remember. Cover 3 Cloud.
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Yeah. The first few plays we talk about here, I
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kind of just want to talk neutrally about some scheme stuff,
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just some little observations because I always want these videos
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to have some of that element and not just be
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a bunch of criticism or a bunch of praise. The
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defensive performance was kind of weird, and I know a
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lot of people probably don't want to hear this, but
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I thought it was absolutely awful watching live. And then
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on a rewatch, I was like, okay, it wasn't like
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as a whole, the performance was not terrible. Like it
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wasn't good, but it was, it was okay. They, but
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they gave up, you know, two explosive plays, the third
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and 18 debacle where they should have called a timeout.
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And then, you know, there's some sporadic tackling issues throughout
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the day, but like, Considering USC is a talented offense,
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you were never going to hold them to 150 yards
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or anything like that. I think the defense was fine.
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I want to just talk neutrally about a few plays first.
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Don't worry, we will move into some criticisms of what's
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going on in defense after that. As Tom said, this
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first play is cover three cloud. I want to talk
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about this because this is the first time I've seen
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Patricia call this. He called it a couple of times
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on Saturday. Cover three cloud, like any cover three concept,
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is a zone defense where you've got four underneath defenders
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and three deep defenders responsible for the deep thirds of
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the field. What makes this different than your typical cover
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three or cover three buzz is on most cover threes,
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the two corners are responsible for the outside thirds of
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the field and then one safety for the middle third.
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On cover three cloud, though, One of the corners actually
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stays down as a curl flat defender. You can call
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them the cloud corner. And then a safety will rotate
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over to that deep third. In this case, it's the
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deep third to the boundary that you're having a safety
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roll to. The field safety is going to roll to
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the middle deep third. And then your field corner back
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to the bottom of the screen is going to roll
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to the other deep third to the field. Yeah, this
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is just a different style of cover three than what
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we're used to seeing. I'm not really sure why Patricia
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wanted to incorporate this on Saturday, but it was just
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an observation, something new. All right.
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Next up, we're going to
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see a concept we definitely
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have seen before, Cover 3 Buzz, and then something we've
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talked about, you and I, a bunch on these shows, Creepers.
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We know you love the Creepers and Sim Pressures, so
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let's get to Cover 3.
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Buzz with some Creepers. Yeah, so... we've got a three
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buzz creeper here. So cover three buzz again, it's a
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cover three concept. So you've got three, uh, deep third defenders,
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four underneath defenders, because the creeper, as we, as we know,
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we're bringing it back seven defender. In this case, it's
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going to be that, uh, we'll line back or to
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the boundary. He's blitzing the a gap, reading the center
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to decide which a gap insert, but you're going to
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drop a defensive end and coverage in place of them.
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So it's still just a four man rush. That's what
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a creeper is. Um, And what makes this cover three
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buzz is when you have a safety who's buzzing down
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into one of the hook zones, which here is what
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the boundary safety does, that's cover three buzz. So you've
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got the boundary defensive end standing up. He's going to
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be your curl flat player to the boundary. The boundary
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safety will be the hook player to the boundary. Peyton Pierce,
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your Mike linebacker, he's going to be the hook player
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to the field. The nickel is going to be the
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curl flat player to the field. And then you've got
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your two corners. and field safety as the deep third defender. So,
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you know, I like creepers a lot because, uh, you
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can run them kind of on any down, like a
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lot of, it's very common to call creepers on like
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first and 10 or second and six, you know, more
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neutral downs like that because, uh, they often are very
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good against, um, against runs in particular against zone runs. So, yeah,
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I mean, just, uh, nice to see that these are
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part of the scheme and, you know, definitely something to
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help with changing the picture post snap.
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Next up, this is a concept we talked about on
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last week's show and it was successful then a line
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reduction and it is successful here again against USC. Yeah.
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I wanted to talk about this again because like, I
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know people were probably sick of hearing this talking point
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at this point, but you know, Indiana, the stunts, the movements,
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the twists up front, like that's how they create havoc. Um,
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The fact of the matter is stunts and movement, it's
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almost like they literally always work, essentially. I know Ohio
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State's offensive line gets a lot of criticism for not
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picking up stunts well, but I don't see really any
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offensive line that does. Here, again, you've got a line reduction,
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which as I discussed on the last video, a line
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reduction is when you're using movement to get from one
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type of spacing in the pre-snap to a different type
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of spacing in the post-snap. So here they're an odd
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spacing pre-snap. What makes it odd spacing is that you've
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got defensive tackles in each of the B gaps in
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those four eye techniques inside shoulder of the offensive tackles.
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When the B gaps are closed like that with defensive tackles,
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that's odd spacing. And then of course, you've got your
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zero tech nose head up over the center. They're all
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going to slant towards the running back here, which will
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create even spacing post-snap. Even spacing is when one of
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the B gaps is open. So like Kenyatta Jackson here,
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he's the defensive tackle who's on the right side of
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the screen. And he's going to spike over to the
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C gap outside of USC's right tackle. And this is
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a huge play also because this was a third and
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two and USC tries to run inside zone to get
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the first down. This line reduction, you'll see Kenyatta Jackson,
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Edrick Houston get into the backfield for a really massive
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tackle for loss here to force a punt. This was
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just an example. The defense did force a fair amount
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of punts and obviously even forced USC to kick a
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ridiculously long field goal. The defense had success here and there.
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It wasn't like it was all bad, just some strange
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decisions and a couple of explosives, which we're going to
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cover one of those explosives here later on.
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We'll get to that in a little bit, but next
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we're going to get to something that I know has
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been something you've been harping on a little bit. Some
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weird run fits, and this one they're going up against
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a counter play, and again, there's just some kind of
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weird fits here that ends up leading to a huge run,
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but substantial run.
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Yeah, this was not a devastating play. It was about
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a six-yard gain, so not ideal, of course, either, but
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So USC, Lincoln Riley, the book on him since his
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Oklahoma days, he loves to run counter in the run game.
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You know, he's a very gap scheme heavy guy. So
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here he's running G-Y counter, which as we've discussed before,
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that's when the guard, the G and the tight end,
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who we call the Y, are the two pullers on
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a gap scheme run. And that guard, his job on
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this is to kick that defensive end out. That's Kenyatta
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Jackson in this case. So, but when you defend counter,
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when you defend any of these plays like this, you know,
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gap plays, when you've got a pulling lineman coming at you,
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there's two ways you can defend it. You can either
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box it, which means you're attacking the outside shoulder to
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force the ball back inside, or you can spill it,
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which means you're going to attack that guard's inside shoulder
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to force the ball carrier to bounce outside.
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All right.
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Like the conventional wisdom on counter has often been that
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spilling the first polar is the best way to defend counter.
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That's not what Ohio State does here. And they often
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what they don't do against counter. And I don't know why.
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I mean, we've seen this before. Like, I don't think
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this is Kenyatta Jackson making a mistake. I believe this
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is what their coach to do. But, you know, like
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if you look at this play, particularly from the wide view,
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it's kind of a good view at, when you attack
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that guard's outside shoulder, it really just creates a giant
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lane for the tight end to then come through and
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easily climb up to the linebacker. But if you're attacking
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the inside shoulder, you're closing that lane down. The tight
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end then has to hesitate and go around that block
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and it just kind of muddies everything up back there
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and slows everything down and allows the linebackers and safety
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to flow over the top. So like, yeah, I mean,
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I just, I don't know why they're boxing on counter
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i really think that spilling counter is the better way
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to defend it that's um i've seen you know a
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lot of uh coaches and stuff and people like that
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who have said the same thing So, yeah, this is
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just one of those like weird problems schematically that's existed
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for a while that I don't really know why it's happening.
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I mean, I wish I had a better answer, but
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I just don't. So this is a problem that I
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hope gets fixed soon, because if I were an offensive
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coordinator playing in Ohio State, I would run counter every
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time I ran the ball.
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Next up, we're going to be looking at a going
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from the run to the pass game. And this is
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a fire zone. And this is one where, before we
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hit record on this, we were talking and I said,
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you know, man, it feels like they're dropping Kenyatta Jackson
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into coverage a ton. And I don't know how often
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that's really happening. This play is an example of where
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it happens. And I know you want to disguise coverages,
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but you wonder, you're also kind of putting guys in
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a position where they're not necessarily doing what they're best at.
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Yeah, I mean, this is a fire zone. We've talked
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about a fire zone before as well. It's a five-man
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zone pressure where you've got your three deep defenders and
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then you've got your three underneath zone defenders. So what's
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the problem here? We're supposed to be happy that they're
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running fire zones and mixing things up. Well, the problem is,
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look where Kenyatta Jackson is. USC is an 11 personnel.
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They've got a tight end of the boundary, three receivers
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to the field. And Kenyatta Jackson, your 6'5, 265-pound, strong
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side defensive end, who sometimes even plays defensive tackle, is
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flexed out to the field as a cover down player
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over receivers. That is just extremely strange structure to me.
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I mean, usually in general, when Kenyatta Jackson's playing defensive end,
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he's kind of playing like a traditional Jack linebacker position,
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which is to the boundary. So I don't even know
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why he's to the field.
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But....
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As Tom said, this is the one drawback with creepers
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that I've talked about before. When you drop defensive linemen
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into coverage, you are dropping someone who's not quite as
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good in a coverage situation like that. This is especially
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bizarre to me just because of where Kenyatta Jackson has
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lined up pre-snap. I don't understand how you land on
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any sort of defensive structure that has Kenyatta Jackson playing
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to the field as a cover down player over wide receivers.
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It is, it's very strange. I don't think this is
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in any way setting your defense up for success. All right,
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next up.
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This is another one that I know we've talked about
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before to roll. And this is a blitz look that
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they showed against a, a run.
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Yeah. So normally I would love a two row blitz.
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If it were third and eight, I would love this
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play call. Uh, The problem here is this is second
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and eight. This is like a really big pet
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of mine. So they're in a blitz formation, like a
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pressure look here. I'm not talking about the play call.
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I'm talking about, you know, they've got the two linebackers
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mugged up in the A gaps. So you've got six
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men on the line of scrimmage. And I really can't
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stand when defensive coordinators do this stuff, like mug their
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linebackers on standard downs, like second and eight work. either
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a run or a pass is very possible because as
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a linebacker, it is really hard to defend the run
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from that position. So the call here is a two-roll blitz,
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which again, so two-roll, you kind of start out with
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one single high safety. When the ball is snapped, he's
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going to bail to one of the deep halves. So
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that high safety bails to the deep half to the field.
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Then your corner is going to roll back to the
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other deep half. So the boundary corner here rolls to
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the boundary's deep half. And it's a five man pressure.
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You're bringing the nickel. So you've got your four underneath defenders,
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but like, again, this was not a disastrous play because
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it was like a six yard gain instead of a
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20 yard gain. But I just find this to be
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a very strange play call on second and eight. Like
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this really reeks to me of doing something just for
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the sake of doing. If you want to call this
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on third and seven, I would be thrilled. I wouldn't,
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if you call this on third and seven, I would
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not even care if the offense converted, like, Obviously, I would.
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But you know what I mean. It's a reasonable play
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call in that situation. Whereas, I don't know. There's just
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a lot of very strange choices happening on defense still.
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I've had questions about it all year. After the Indiana game,
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I felt like I had a little bit more of
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a grasp on the scheme. And I don't know. I
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just feel like there's a lot of doing stuff just
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for the sake of doing it. And this is a
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perfect example of that.
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Well, and this next play is kind of a different
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example of that, where it's a look that we haven't
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seen before, and it's the last play we're talking about.
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And they're dropping eight, which is one of those things,
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you drop eight, it's like, well, that's the way you
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make sure you don't give up a big play. Now,
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keen-eared listeners will note that Michael has promised that we're
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going to have a big play on this show, and
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this is the last play. So they're dropping eight, and
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they're giving up a big play.
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What went wrong here? Yeah, so this is just another
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very weird choice from a play calling structure perspective so
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mind you this is first down it was it was
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first and 15 but it's first down that you know
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um what they do here is usc is in a
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two tight end set as you can see ohio state
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rolls out a package we have not seen once this
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year it's a three three personnel look you know ohio
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state's usually either in like a four two or as
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personnel wise they're in a four two or you know,
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a 4-3 sometimes against bigger personnel. But here they go 3-3. And, like,
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if that's not weird enough, they don't even have a
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nose tackle on the field. Like, that's Edrick Houston playing
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nose over the center. And they've got Kenyatta Jackson and
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Quay Rousaw at edge. And then they've got three linebackers.
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They've got Pettijohn as the will linebacker down to the boundary.
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Christian Allegro is kind of like your Mike. in the middle.
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Peyton Pierce is almost more like a Sam linebacker in
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this case. He's a little more to the field. Again,
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we've never seen this set before. It just seemed like
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doing something just for the sake of doing it. To
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make matters worse, they didn't even do anything cool with it.
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You see this and you're kind of expecting, okay, there
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might be
some sort of blitz or something. Are they
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going to let Riley Pettijohn rush the passer here? But No,
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it's a drop eight Tampa two. So you've got your
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safeties failing to the deep halves of the field. And
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then you've got, you know, the corners and the flats, um,
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Pettijohn and the nickel are kind of seam defenders. Allegro
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is your low hole defender. And Peyton Pierce is your
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high hole pole runner defender, which also is kind of strange, but, um, like,
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I don't know that I, I think this is just
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a very strange personnel choice in this situation. Um, I
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don't think this is a great rep from Allegro either.
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Like I don't, I just don't believe that no one
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is tasked with carrying Mark Bowman's route a little more.
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And then obviously like the end of this play is
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really ugly. I mean, guys were trying to strip the
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ball instead of make the tackle, which is one of
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those things. It's like, you know, if it works, it's great.
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If it doesn't, it's awful. I personally just am always
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the type of person who prefers to just make the
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tackle rather than take the risk of trying to strip.
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But like, And I'm not just saying that because it
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didn't work here. Like, that's just my philosophy. But again,
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this is a very strange choice. And I just feel
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like we're seeing that. We've seen that a lot this year.
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And I don't I just don't remember ever feeling this
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way after watching the film last year. Like last year,
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there was like little things like, oh, I wish Patricia
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would be a touch more aggressive or like. I feel
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like he's leaning a little too much on cover three
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at time, but there wasn't just weird structural choices and
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weird personnel choices, and I never got the sense that
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he was doing things just to do them. And I
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don't know. I feel like after every... you know, subpar
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defensive performance this year or less than good defensive performance
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this
year, all the players kind of come out and
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take blame, take ownership. And that's very commendable, but I don't,
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I just don't always feel like they're really put in
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the best positions. Like I don't think the players should
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be taking, I don't know what's going on internally, of course,
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but I'm just saying, I don't, I don't know that
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the players should even be taking as much blame as
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they are. I don't, I don't, the, the, the scheme
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and the structure, this is, a little unusual to me.
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I don't know what else to say, but yeah, between
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this play with Mark Bowman and then, uh, you know,
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the other two plays that I consider the true daggers
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in this game, we're obviously the second play of the game, which, um,
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I believe we, um, at Buckeye insiders, we'll be talking
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about in a later video this week. And then also, uh,
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you know, we, Ohio state got USC into a third
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and 18 and, uh, It was very apparent that Ohio
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State's defense did not have the call. Everyone on TV
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was watching it. I remember watching it thinking, okay, let's
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call a timeout here. Let's not risk anything. USC was
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content to just run the ball and punt or hope
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something broke out and punt if not, but they didn't
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call a timeout. The players weren't aligned. They obviously didn't
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have the call or whatever. And no timeout was called.
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And USC pops off a 20, 20 yard run on
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third and 18, like those types of things you just
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can't have happen. And again, they were in kind of
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like a blitz formation. And that's kind of what I
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was saying earlier. We're like, I don't, now look being
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in a blitz formation on third and 18 is fine
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but like it is hard to defend the run out
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of those formations and obviously they didn't have the call
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so it's a little different but it kind of goes
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to what i was saying earlier which is that like
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on second and eight being in like a blitz formation
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with both your linebackers mugged up on the line of
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sternages is very strange so yeah just a lot of
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uh interesting things to say the least but You know,
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weirdly enough, like it wasn't all bad from the defense.
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I just there's just some certain structural things that I
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feel like have just lingered on and on all year.
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So moving forward, we know now as of Tuesday night
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that the Buckeyes are almost certainly in a you need
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to win the rest of your games kind of situation
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if they want to make the college football playoffs. So
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the offense, you figure the offense should be better in
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some ways. You figure they should put a few more
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points on the board. you would think in some of
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these games but the defense it feels like that's where
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there's really an area for up you know an opportunity
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for improvement against some of these upcoming teams and you're
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going to get challenged by Oregon you're probably going to
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get challenged in a very different way by Chip Kelly
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who is doing all sorts of crazy stuff this year
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is this a defense that you think can rebound from
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generally when you see it Ohio State defense or an
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Ohio State team have like an uncharacteristically bad performance, they
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tend to rebound pretty well the next week. Are you
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expecting them to be able to sort of get things
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turned around and, and put together a much better performance
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against Oregon this week?
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Yeah, I am. I mean, you know, it was, uh,
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First of all, I don't think long layoffs are good.
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Ohio State needed that bye because of the injuries and
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stuff to help get Fahey prepped, but I don't feel
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like they usually play well after a bye. I feel
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like a lot of teams don't. So it was a bye.
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You were three time zones away. But the questions on
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defense right now, a lot of it also boils down
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to health. We've now seen that Jay Timmons, whether or
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not he's available, is a massive... key to this defense
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which is understandable to some extent um the counterpoint is
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like as good as he is i don't think that
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a true freshman who plays the nickel position should be
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literally the key to whether you're a top three defense
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or a top 30 defense like um and you know
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i don't know what edgar houston status is going to
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be uh i'd still like them to incorporate some more
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line movement up front like the reductions and the stunts
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and stuff like that And then, you know, I think
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kind of in some ways just getting back to basics and, like,
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just making sure the structure makes sense. Like, no doing
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things just for the sake of doing them. And, you know, just,
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you know, players just need to be put in a
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position where they're set up to succeed. I mean, I
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think the defense is talented. Like, if you want me
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to talk about some of the good I saw on Saturday, like,
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I actually thought the corners played very well. And... at
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times this year, I think the fan base has been
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pretty concerned about the corners. They played well and USC
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has got good receivers. I thought, you know, I still
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think we're seeing some good play from the defensive tackles
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like Edgar Houston and Kenyatta Jackson when they use them
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as the four eye technique and as a defensive tackle.
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The defense is, is, is solid. Like they have the
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potential to be solid. I just think there's stuff that
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needs to be cleaned up. And I feel like it's
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too late in the season to still be using the,
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like any excuses that Patricia is like figuring out the
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personnel and stuff like that. I just, I think that,
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I think there needs to be some stuff that's settled on.
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And for some reason it just still appears to be
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not settled on. All right.
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