บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Chapter 83: The Unknown by Riley Sager Book Club Discussion

mean, I give her a lot of credit. 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:05.200 She just puts it all out there. 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.680 I would not, I would never share the things that she's sharing. 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.560 It's very like embarrassing for her. 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:13.199 Oh my god. 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.439 But it's kind of interesting. 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:22.960 So I guess if you like like messy like relationship stories, if you like listening to your friends' relationship stories, you would probably like this. 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:23.759 I love that. 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.319 I don't really know where it's like. 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:29.199 I think I'm on the second love story. 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:34.800 And I guess it is her like growth through like what does she really want? 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.000 How does she pick people not being desperate? 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.400 But I don't really know what the endgame is. 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:41.199 I don't even know. 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.599 I can't remember where I got this recommendation. 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.759 I will say I looked it up because I'd never heard of it, obviously, and it does have good reviews. 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:48.879 So at least you have that. 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.599 So she's like a writer outside of this. 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:58.479 Like she writes for I think New York Times, and like she is an established writer, and that's part of this. 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:06.240 Like her dating is guys will find out that she is an author and then have weird feelings about it. 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.639 I just want to be I want to be a fly on the wall when you choose the books that you read. 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.360 Like maybe like a passenger in your brain. 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:20.879 All it is, I is I will be listening to any podcast or on Instagram, and I don't even look at the book. 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:28.319 I just go put out my Libby, and then what happens is six weeks later it comes up, and I'm like, oh I don't think a single thing about this, but sure. 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:28.800 Okay. 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:29.599 Go ahead. 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.680 Okay, I have not really been watching anything new, but I did watch Dancing with the Stars last night. 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:36.319 How was it? 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.840 It was so emotional, I hear so. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.439 It was I'm not an emotional person. 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:43.919 I've I I told you guys you cry. 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:47.680 I did get a little clemped, a little teary. 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.719 I don't I said this a couple weeks ago on the podcast. 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:52.479 I've never watched Dancing with the Stars. 00:03:52.639 --> 00:04:00.400 Like I've obviously like clips, but this is the first season I've actually been watching, and it is really good. 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:01.360 I now get good. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:07.840 I don't know if it's always this good or if I just really like all of the people. 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.879 But I I've said Save Last Dance is one of my favorite movies. 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:17.040 Ten Things I Hate About You, one of my favorite movies, but I don't really like Julia Styles. 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:21.439 I think she's very annoying, and I've always been surprised she's gotten the roles that she has. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.519 But now I like Julia Styles. 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.319 Like I actually am like, oh, I kind of like you. 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:29.759 It was really sweet. 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:38.079 It was a really sweet episode, other than the very cringy moment of Tyler Cameron announcing his Oh, it was cringy. 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:38.639 Why was it? 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:40.639 I saw a clip and I thought it looked cute. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:49.680 Okay, so while he's dancing, so it it was a little, I it was a little too sugary sweet with like the dedication because all of these people get to dance with them. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.319 And it's in it's a little interpretive dancing. 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:53.360 Oh, yeah. 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:59.439 So it's moms who come out and they're like, yeah, it's a little like I'm like, are you lovers or are you friends? 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:00.240 Or are you mother-daughter? 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:01.600 I mother-son, I don't know. 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.839 It's a little, it was a little weird. 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:09.519 So his wife was out dancing, and it was the dedication was to his mom. 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:19.519 And I I I kind of missed a little bit of like why he the his wife or his fiance has never met his mom. 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:27.600 She died before, but there's like she he kept saying, like, she's the one who brought us together, like his mom spirit brought them together. 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:29.759 Oh, from the other side. 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:30.480 Yeah. 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.439 So she's like a part of the whatever. 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.720 Anyway, so while they're dancing, it's an over. 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.519 He's dancing, but he pre-recorded himself talking over the music. 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.160 And he's like, to my to my mother, yeah. 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:44.879 I love you. 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:45.680 Da da da da. 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.480 And now I'm going to have a child. 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:53.040 And she like bursts forth, and and then they do the her bump is pretty big. 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:53.600 Yeah. 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:55.759 She's probably like six, seven months long. 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:56.560 Six months, right? 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.759 That well, they announced then they announced the gender on in front of everyone. 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:02.000 And I'm like, I this is too much. 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.800 ABC is really

capitalizing on this. 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.279 Well, Tyler's like, You're not gonna send my ass home. 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:09.040 Yeah, that's exactly what he was doing. 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:18.079 Well, that was like so many of the the dances were so emotional that the the judges, nines and tens. 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:25.120 And they were like, obviously, they're getting better, but like Carrie Ann, who I think is really not nice, was like, ten, nine, ten. 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:31.120 Like she was she may have like, yeah, she may have felt bad for what she yeah, but anyway. 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.120 Can I say something controversial? 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:33.920 Yes, please. 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.240 Okay, so Julia Stiles did hers for Heath Ledger. 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:39.759 Yeah, and they hated each other. 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:47.040 Well, no, but I read an article that after he died, she was like, we never kept in touch after the movie. 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.199 She didn't allude that they did. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:55.199 So, like, she just said that you're just doing, you're like using the 100%. 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:55.680 I agree. 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:56.319 It made me like her. 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:57.600 I was like, ew, this is it. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.279 I'm gonna watch it. 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:04.000 I think that she probably is accurate in what he brought to the set. 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:10.319 And she, I appreciated that she didn't never said anything like, Oh, I miss she never really said like I miss him. 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:22.160 She just said the only thing she said was it would be really cool to call him and say, Hey, we made a movie together that has really impacted like people still to this day really love. 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.079 That's a cool thing that you and I did. 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.839 Yeah, she never alluded to the fact that they actually had like any sort of friendship. 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:28.800 So I appreciate that. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.759 That's okay, but does she not have a loved one? 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.199 She's like 40 something years old. 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.800 Does she not have a loved one other than maybe she's married? 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.439 Maybe she's really private, and she's like, I'm not gonna talk about it. 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.680 I do, I do think she's pretty private. 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.279 I'm not gonna talk about my loved one, so I'm just gonna talk about I guess. 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:50.079 I mean, ABC probably was like, listen, here we can get the whole cast out here. 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.079 Yeah, and you will like this will be something everyone talks about. 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:55.120 Oh no, for sure. 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.160 I I'm sure ABC pushed the heck out of it. 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.600 I just like if I were her, I would be like, I feel icky doing it. 00:08:01.839 -->

00:08:03.040 She said, I don't know though. 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.319 I'm like keep me on. 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:05.279 I would too. 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:14.240 I am like, he still, whether they kept in touch or not, that was still had to be a crucial moment of her life and that friendship. 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:22.959 Like she said, he just brought so much fun and joy to the whole, like, she never talked about him and like her. 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:28.879 It was like what he brought as a person to the set, yeah, which is probably all true. 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:29.519 Yeah. 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:38.879 So because everyone was yeah, anyway, I could go on and on about my thoughts on all the people that showed up, but I will move on because otherwise we don't need Dancing with the Stars. 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.039 This will be a Dancing with the Stars podcast, yes. 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:52.960 Um, but my obsessed is I think I probably brought this last year because it's a yearly obsession, but I'm currently drinking my absolute favorite beer. 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:54.320 It's called Pumpkin Head Beer. 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:57.679 It's by Shipyard, it's up in like Main area. 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:58.960 That's where it's brewed. 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:00.720 I love it. 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.679 I brought bought three, I could not find it this year. 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.879 So years and years ago, I think I may have already told this story. 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:12.480 Years and years ago, you could it they would Nashville would get one shipment and once it's out, it's out. 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:14.559 Like it was so hard to find. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:15.919 So, so hard to find. 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.399 Then all of a sudden, it like the past four years, it's been like surplus. 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:20.799 Okay. 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.559 Like, this is not that special anymore. 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:24.639 You can get it Kroger Publix everywhere. 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:25.919 This year. 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:27.360 Hard again? 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:28.559 Very hard. 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:34.720 I went to Total Wine, it's the only place I found it, and I got the last three cases. 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:35.679 I bought three cases. 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:35.919 Wow. 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.159 Do you know by a case? 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:39.440 I mean, is that a case? 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.279 It's a six-pack. 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:43.200 I would think that's a case. 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:43.919 What's in a case? 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:44.720 Case is like 20. 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:46.240 I don't know. 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.000 You're asking about the wrong people. 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:49.200 Three six packs. 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.000 That's a lot. 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:51.200 But I got scarcity. 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:53.120 Scarcity mentality. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.120 I was like, oh

my gosh, I have to get it. 00:09:55.279 --> 00:10:02.080 So anyway, good luck to you out in the wild if you were able to get your hands on some pumpkin head beer this year. 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:03.120 Congrats. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:03.679 Wow. 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.600 Okay, I I mean, according to Reddit, a case is 24. 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:08.240 Oh, yeah. 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:09.840 I did not buy three cases. 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.120 Should we worry? 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:16.320 Okay, Audrey, what about you? 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.639 I finished King of Ashes today. 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:19.840 So by S.A. 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:25.039 Cosby, and I need to pick up whatever is the exact opposite of that next. 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.480 You should read Green Lights by Matthew McConaughey. 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:29.039 Yeah, I would. 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:30.080 That's a good one. 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.840 I do, I would, I need to feel something other than apathy. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.360 So I'm thinking maybe something a little more emotional or maybe like romanticy. 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:38.080 Do the witch. 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:39.600 Is that what it's called? 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.440 The Witch by Freedom of Fan. 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:42.320 Yeah, that sounds good. 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:47.840 I wanted to get through this specific episode because I feel like maybe they might be similar. 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.039 The unknown, which we're talking about today, and The Witch. 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:51.519 Yeah. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.519 I am going to assume one is better written than the other one. 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:57.120 I have no doubts. 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.440 But you know, it sounds kind of good. 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:01.200 Well, she might shock us. 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:02.480 She could. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.320 I'll be the guinea pig. 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.000 Please do, yeah. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.440 And then watch. 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:16.720 So my sister and my friend Aaron and I, for my birthday, went to go see Since and Sensibility since Adrienne Lindsay would not go see it with me. 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:19.200 And Lindsay outright refused. 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.120 I would I don't even know what it is. 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:26.720 Oh, it's a it's like a oh, I so when I saw an ad for it and I said, Is this about lesbians? 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:28.480 Yes, and it's about sisters. 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:28.879 Yeah. 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:30.720 Well, it's it's it's Jane Austen. 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:32.960 It's like laying on the other one. 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.600 I was like, okay, you're Audrey. 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.080 Do you not have a sister? 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.360 No, she's an only child. 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:42.799 It's not about lesbians. 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:43.360 It was recorded. 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:44.639 By the way, I'm not an only child. 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:46.240 I do have a brother. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.639 Well, you grow up like an only child. 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:49.360 Yeah. 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.879 Um, anyways, it is not about lesbians. 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.480 It is a Jane Austen classic novel, Since Insensibility. 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.159 She also wrote Pride and Prejudice. 00:11:58.399 --> 00:11:59.600 This is right up my alley. 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.879 I saw the original movie, which came out in 1995, and it is one of my favorite movies of all time. 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:06.320 I actually loved it. 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:07.519 I loved it. 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:08.000 I would give it. 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.879 I was worried it was gonna be a major disappointment for you. 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.720 If the original is five out of five, uh-huh, this one's four out of five. 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:21.600 It was like very funny, which was shocking to me because the original is very serious, like a lot of yearning, a lot of romance. 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:28.720 This one I would say is it's got the yearning, it's got the romance, but like it's very comedically in a way that I no, I haven't read. 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.000 I have read Pride and Prejudice, but I've never read Sens Insensibility. 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.960 But, anyways, it was it was really good. 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.000 I really enjoyed it. 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.480 The standout was definitely the girl who played Marianne. 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:40.639 Her name is Esme Creed Miles. 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.799 Her mom is Samantha Morton, who is a really well-known actress. 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.200 She was in Minority Report, she was in the Odyssey. 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:54.480 They say she's gonna win the Oscar for the Odyssey this year, so anyways, but nothing compares to She looks faintly familiar. 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.960 Samantha Morton or Yes. 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:02.559 She was it very like you know how Wuthering Heights looked very sexual? 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:06.240 Yeah, no, it is it is very true to its own. 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.440 Yeah, they didn't take it and modernize it or make it campy. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.360 Yeah, no, it was very much I did notice something. 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.720 So the original, the colors in it is like they're like bright. 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.879 Yes, everything is so muted these days. 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:24.320 Oh yeah in the way that they film things, it's almost like, oh, well, can we have some color? 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:24.720 Yeah. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.120 But overall, I really enjoyed the movie. 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:28.559 I'm so glad I went to go see it. 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.559 I would recommend everybody because how long was it? 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:31.440 It wasn't long at all. 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:32.480 I would say less

than two hours. 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:33.039 It felt well. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:33.759 Okay. 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:38.639 Daisy Edgar Jones was great as well, but nothing compares to the original cast, which is Emma Thompson. 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.399 Yeah, Hugh Grant, Kate Winslett, R.I.P. 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:43.679 Alan Rickman. 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:44.080 Yeah. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:44.799 Snape. 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.320 Snape, Severus Snape. 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:47.600 Anyway, so it was good. 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:48.240 I recommend it. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:49.360 I'm so glad you liked it. 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:51.120 It was a great birthday treat. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:52.320 And then Obsessed. 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:59.120 I am obsessed with the song Over Country by Lizzie McAlpine. 00:13:59.279 --> 00:13:59.919 Do y'all know her? 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:00.399 I like her. 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.600 She sings ceilings and then a couple other songs that I really like. 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.679 And if you listen to the podcast, you know that I have a great girl dad. 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:08.879 I love my dad. 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.919 And when I listened, I was I don't know what I was doing. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:13.440 I think I was prepping for an episode. 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.039 This was like a month ago. 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.799 And I had it on my headphones and I had a Spotify playlist. 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.000 Spotify makes great like random playlists based on your listening. 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.639 And it played the song, and within like, I kid you not, 30 seconds in the song, I was sobbing. 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:29.360 Sobbing. 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:30.320 And I was like, I can't. 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.200 I want to be a fly on the wall in your brain. 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:34.159 Seriously. 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:35.039 Like sobbing. 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:36.320 I was like, this is my dad. 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:37.679 This is how I feel about my dad. 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:45.279 And I was like, I literally called and I was like, Yeah, I found a song, and it sounds exactly about like how I feel about you as having you as my dad. 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.840 And anyways, I listen to it every day now. 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.840 It is very in the same vein as like James Taylor and Joni Mitchell. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:55.519 It's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous song. 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:59.440 And if you have a great girl dad, I'm telling you this song is gonna make you think of your dad. 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:01.519 So I have been listening to it all the time. 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.399 I showed I showed Charlie, he goes, Mom, are you gonna cry? 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.000 I was like, Yes. 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:07.519 What is the name of it? 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:08.480 Overcountry. 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:15.600 By Lizzie McCalpine, which is funny because

I've been calling her Lizzie McCaplan, but it's Lizzie McAlpine. 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.919 Isn't there an actress named Lizzie McCaplan? 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:19.200 Yeah, I do know that name. 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.200 That is the actress from Ming Girls. 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:23.679 Yes, and yes, what she was in a show. 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:24.480 Oh girl. 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:25.039 New girl. 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:25.440 Yeah. 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:33.600 So, anyways, I've been calling her something wrong, but it is the such amazing song, and everybody should listen to it, especially if you have a girl dad that you love. 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:35.360 Anyways, Lindsay. 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.279 I won't be listening because my dad's dead. 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:38.320 Every time. 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:39.600 Every time. 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.120 Every single time. 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:45.919 Okay, I am reading just a cover that Adrian was gonna love. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:52.240 It's called Entities to Lovers by Mallory Marlowe. 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.000 The girl who did love at first sight. 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:55.200 Oh gosh. 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.440 Yes, she's the one that did love at first sight. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:15:59.440 This one's not as bad as an alien. 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.240 Well, yeah, but it looks like I think it looks cute. 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:03.039 A joke. 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:05.519 So joke book. 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:14.720 This is actually a uh an arc I have that came out on October 13th that I haven't finished yet. 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:20.080 But I'm really struggling to get through it, and I think it's because they talked about how short he is. 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:21.519 Oh, hell no. 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:23.039 Why even bring it up? 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:23.840 I know. 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:25.360 You don't love a short king? 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:25.919 No, I don't. 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.039 I'm such a heatist. 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:28.000 No, it's bad. 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.960 She was like, he is below average height, and I'm like, oh, I'm out. 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:34.639 Wait, why would she say that? 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:35.519 Right? 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.559 It's probably because she has someone in her life that she loves she's trying to redeem. 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:41.600 Like, oh yeah. 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:47.039 I just like can't, like, it's so crazy, but that immediately like I checked out. 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:47.759 Oh my gosh. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.519 Sorry to the short king. 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.200 Alex is not that tall. 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:51.759 No. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.080 But he's not below average, I would say. 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.120 No, he's 5'10. 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:55.519 I don't know. 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.440 Adrian and I cannot relate because our husbands are 6'4 and 6'5. 00:16:59.759

--> 00:17:00.000 Yeah. 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:00.559 Yeah. 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:03.440 Alex is definitely the shortest person I've ever dated. 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:05.039 Like, by far. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:06.880 Like, I dated someone that was 6'7. 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:08.079 Oh my gosh. 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.000 Well, you married Alex, so short king's role. 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.640 So anyway, I just like I just am not into it, unfortunately. 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:27.519 And now I'm gonna have to write a review and I'm gonna be like It's hard to see short to be a neutral party in this review since I'm biased towards tall people. 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.720 Yeah, so like sorry not tall people to Mallory. 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.960 I watched something on Netflix. 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:38.480 It was like on the top 10, or you know, whatever they do. 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:39.519 Oh yeah, what was it? 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:41.759 The widower Tell Death Do Us Part. 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:42.799 Oh, yeah, I saw that on the city. 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:47.599 It's like a guy and a girl, like in the It was like really boring. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:48.160 Sorry. 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:49.440 Okay, good to know. 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:51.599 It sounds it sounds interesting. 00:17:51.759 --> 00:18:00.640 It's about a guy who was married six times, and I think four of his marriages ended in death, and he's suspected of them. 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:01.839 Like all of them. 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:06.559 Well, so that sounds like amazing, but it was just not well done. 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:07.519 It was just like boring. 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:08.960 I wasn't I didn't care. 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:10.319 Well, okay, skip it. 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:11.519 So I would skip it. 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.400 And then I'm obsessed with gentry farms. 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:16.079 Oh, I love gentry farms. 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:17.839 Do you go to gentry farms anymore or your kids? 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:18.799 No, not anymore. 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.319 Yeah, I love it. 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:23.759 If you're in Franklin, it's only open for the month of October. 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:28.000 I think until like November 1st this year, because I think it falls. 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.519 Yeah, like I think it's open until November 1st or something like that. 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:32.720 Look it up before you go. 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:33.920 But it's really cute. 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:40.240 It's in Franklin, and it is just a little farm, and it's just so is that a pumpkin patch? 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:40.960 You can pick a pumpkin. 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:42.240 Yeah, you can get a pumpkin. 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:42.880 They've got them all. 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.039 Yeah, they've got lots of pumpkins out front. 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:49.440 They have corn mazes, and what's that other they have a corn maze? 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:50.319 Hay ride. 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:52.240 They have a hay ride that's so cute. 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.000 With they have a bunch of cows. 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.000 There's a bunch of animals. 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.640 Like, it's it's not super like Lucky Lads to me is like overwhelming. 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:02.240 They love Lucky Lads. 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:03.680 I like Lucky Lads too. 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.000 I'm like so big, it's so crowded. 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:08.000 You get the most bang for your buck, though. 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.559 Like I could be there, we would be there all day. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:16.160 So I didn't mind spending the money where sometimes but gentry farms is super sweet. 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.160 It's yeah, it's just like and they're mellow, like a wonderful family. 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:24.720 Yeah, it's a mellow, like small town version of Lucky Lads. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:28.799 So anyway, if you're in Franklin or visiting, it's very cute, very sweet. 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:36.880 If you don't want the like, I feel like it's like Disneyland is Lucky Lads, and I've never been to Dollywood, but I feel like Dollywood would be gentries. 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:38.079 Is that an accurate statement? 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:39.519 Yes. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.000 Okay, that's just how I feel. 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:42.720 I guess. 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:44.400 Dollywood is very special. 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:45.279 It's like a special. 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:47.200 It just is like more mellow. 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:48.319 It's mellow. 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:49.759 It's more mellow than Disney. 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:50.240 I hope. 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:51.440 I'm like, they're two different. 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:52.559 I can't compare them. 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:53.599 It's like the fair. 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:54.720 Dollywood's not. 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:56.559 It's like Disney World versus the fair. 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:57.359 Yeah. 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.519 Whatever really, really mellow version of Lucky Lads is. 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:03.279 Alright, that's all I've got. 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:04.799 Are you guys ready to get into the unknown? 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:05.440 Let's do it. 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:05.920 Yes. 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.400 Okay, this is your official spoiler alert. 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.160 If you haven't finished it yet, but you want to, we're gonna be talking spoilers. 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:16.720 Somebody kick us off and remind us what this book was about. 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:18.000 Alright, Buckle. 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.000 I read it a long time ago. 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:21.839 27 books ago, to be exact. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:22.640 Like two months. 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:24.240 That's a long time for me. 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:34.720 New Avalon, a remote island in Vermont, became infamous in 1926 when five women

disappeared, leaving their dresses hanging from a massive oak tree. 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:43.359 The island's retreat was run by Ruth Hume Semple, and rumors blamed a supernatural entity named Osra. 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:51.519 A diary attributed to Daisy Rue described the terrifying events creating a legend that haunted the island for nearly a century. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:21:00.079 In the present-day struggling actress, Marion Keane lands the lead role in Darkness, a horror film based on the disappearances. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:13.759 Director Ronan Peters brings Marion and the cast, including legendary Violet Wright, Susie, Heather, and Julian to New Avalon, requiring them to live as though it's 1926 without phones or modern conveniences. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.319 As they recreate the mystery through seances, strange events begin to unfold. 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:25.440 Marion is also grieving her sister, Molly's death, making the island's disturbing history especially difficult to escape. 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:32.400 When Susie disappears and her dress is found hanging from the oak tree, camcorder footage shows her being pursued by an unseen figure. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:40.480 Heather and Julianne soon disappear under similar circumstances, convincing the remaining cast that the historical events are repeating themselves. 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:46.160 Marin grows suspicious of Violet, who secretly keeps a cell phone and seems to know more than she admits. 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:50.799 And Ronan eventually makes an unwanted advance on Marin. 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:56.640 The apparent haunting is revealed to be part of a revenge plot involving Violet and the other actresses. 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:08.559 Violet's biological daughter, Elise Haynes, whom she had Recently reconnected with after giving her up for adoption was exploited by Ronan, who recorded a sexual encounter with Elise without her consent and then shared it. 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:15.920 The humiliation contributed to Elise's death by suicide, leaving Violet determined to make Ronan pay. 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:27.920 Meanwhile, Marin discovers missing pages from Daisy's diary and learns that Daisy was actually an alternate identity of Osra Kovacic, a young woman who suffered severe abuse and psychological distress. 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:33.039 Ozra perceived her other identities as separate people and believed Ruth threatened them. 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:39.039 Ruth was murdered, and her remains are eventually found beneath the floorboards of Marin's cottage alongside her journal. 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:44.960 The supernatural massacre never happened as the legend described, and Osra's fate remains uncertain. 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:52.000 Violet's revenge accumulates in a seance where she pretends to be possessed by Daisy before stabbing Ronan to death with an ice pick. 00:22:52.720 --> 00:23:02.000 Marin helps stage his death as an accident by disposing of his body, cleaning the scene, and destroying the camcorder, but secretly keeps his SD card containing footage of the murder. 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:07.759 After reading Ruth's journal, Marin realizes she was manipulated into the plot and confronts Violet. 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:14.400 Rather than expose her, Marin uses the footage as leverage to secure the acting career she's always wanted, choosing fame over justice. 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:23.200 Four years later, Marin, a successful actress and Oscar nominee, Ronan's death is still considered an accident, and Violet helps her land another major role. 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:27.359 Marin has achieved her dream by protecting a murderer and concealing the truth. 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:40.799 In the final twist, a photograph appears to show a woman resembling Daisy living under the identity Zara McCutcheon suggesting Ozra may have survived and started a new life, though her fate remains unconfirmed. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:43.359 Wow, that was a lot. 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:45.599 It is. 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.640 And it all kind of happens in the last like 10%. 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:50.960 10%, yeah. 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:56.720 There's also a lot of names because there's a present day and there's a past day, and each has five different actresses. 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:57.039 Yeah. 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.279 Surprisingly, I didn't get those mixed up. 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.519 Oh, I I was fighting for the life. 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.640 I was glad that the other ones didn't have much significance. 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.640 Like it didn't really matter what their names were. 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.039 Yeah, but I think they weren't real. 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:11.920 Well, that's true. 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:14.000 Yeah, it was all different in that. 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:19.920 Yeah, but I mean, like, the present-day people were. 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:26.640 But between those, the three extras on both present and past, I just was like, they're all interchangeable. 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:26.880 Yeah. 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:28.480 I was fighting for my life. 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:30.640 Okay, let's go to our ratings round. 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:34.160 So we are gonna rate it one through five, five being amazing. 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:35.200 Adrian. 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:37.039 I give it four point five. 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:38.160 Oh, wow. 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:38.720 Yeah. 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:39.200 Okay. 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:40.319 Okay, Audrey. 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.480 I'll give it 3.75. 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.799 I gave it 4.5 as well. 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:45.279 Ah! 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.200 Look at you guys. 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.960 I loved it. 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.000 I really liked it. 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:50.720 Yeah. 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.039 I was surprised at a lot of the twists. 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:55.920 Yep, same. 00:24:56.240

--> 00:25:00.000 I felt it felt a breath of fresh air to like have just a different. 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:07.039 I was like, if this ends up just being Violet playing a trick, you know, I was gonna be like, what a letdown. 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.039 That seems like so many thrillers. 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.440 Or or like Loretta or someone like that. 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:15.920 But it was very creative. 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:16.559 Mm-hmm. 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.319 And the twist kept coming. 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:20.400 I th it rem okay. 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:26.960 So actually, one of our listeners, we I follow her on Instagram and she read it. 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:34.799 Um, Steph Reads, if you follow she's a great Instagram follow, she said it was a little Scooby-Doo, and I thought that was a good description for it. 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:39.279 But Scooby-Doo Scooby-Doo reminds me of Frida. 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.680 Like Frida is Scooby-Doo, right? 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:44.160 Like silly, silly. 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:44.799 Yes. 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:45.920 Poorly written. 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:48.799 Well, also like kind of dumb. 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:49.359 Yeah. 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.640 Like not intelligent. 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:52.960 Yeah. 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:54.160 Except for the teacher. 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.200 Except for the teacher, the best written book ever. 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:57.680 Ever. 00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:58.160 Oh, I'm not sure. 00:25:58.799 --> 00:25:59.759 Teacher and Scooby-Doo. 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:01.039 I was like, I don't remember that character. 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:08.880 But I feel like Riley Sager is, or this book specifically, actually has other books too. 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.599 Has a lot of twists and turns at the end, but it is done well. 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:14.000 Yeah. 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.440 And it is written well. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.519 And I think this is kind of what Frida wants to do and can't. 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:20.559 Does that make sense? 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:25.039 I just feel like Frida's always trying to like, can I surprise you enough? 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:26.160 Like, did I get ya? 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:26.880 Did I get ya? 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:31.920 Like, and I think he just writes more cleverly. 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:38.000 That's not going above and beyond to just try to get you that reaction. 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.680 Well, maybe because she he doesn't write five books a year. 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:42.880 Well, that probably is it. 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:43.359 I don't know. 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.079 I think Frida's Scooby-doing all the way to the bank. 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.480 I think she sure is 100%. 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:53.920 And she will probably continue because she's got a holiday book coming. 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.400 She does, like Christmas? 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.079 Also, like I'll read it. 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:01.920 We end up always talking about Frida. 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:03.839 She's really winning. 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.279 We can't keep her name out our mouth. 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.240 This is not truly. 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.240 Anyway, back to Riley. 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:13.519 Okay, yeah. 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:14.400 Sorry about that. 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.680 Anyway, liked it. 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:16.480 4.5. 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.599 Everybody, everybody loved it, right? 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:20.480 I I liked it. 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.200 Yeah, just you're not a thriller reader. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:25.519 That's a caveat, I think, that's important to note. 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:27.440 No, but I am a horror reader. 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:38.160 But I will say I felt a little angry at Lindsay while reading this because I was very worried that the spirituality side of it was gonna be too dark for me. 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:38.480 Yeah. 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:44.079 Because in the beginning, they were talking about Osra as a malevolent spirit. 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:44.559 Yes. 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:45.599 As demonic. 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:45.920 Right. 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:46.960 I don't roll with that. 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:48.240 I don't like it in books. 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.839 But in the end, it there literally was no demonic presence. 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:52.240 Right. 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.200 And I liked that. 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:54.799 I was like, gave it another star. 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:55.119 Yeah. 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:55.680 Okay. 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.720 There was no demonic presence that is accurate. 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:06.559 But wasn't Ruth banging under the floorboards? 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:07.200 Oh. 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.079 So there was a little supernatural, or am I misremembering? 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.799 I think there was like minor here or there things. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.000 Because Ruth was under the floorboards. 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.480 Was it remember she kept hearing things under the floorboards? 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.039 Yeah, wait, you're talking about Marin. 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:22.799 Marin was hearing. 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:30.000 Yeah, Maren was hearing Ruth under the floorboards banging, and then that's how she found her extra diarrhea. 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:30.400 Diary. 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.519 Yeah. 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.240 Yeah. 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.559 So that is a little supernatural, right? 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.039 Did they say for sure it was no simple? 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:37.839 Listen. 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.559 I I well, her body was down there. 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.119 Yeah, I think I I think you could, it's very ambiguous. 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:46.640 It could be supernatural. 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:51.599 It could be

her mind playing tricks on her because of this isolated island. 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:57.359 Kind of back to what we were talking about with the shining of just like you get something in your head and it's there. 00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.440 And then you're reconfirming it every time. 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.920 You're looking, your brain is looking for ways to like reaffirm that's true. 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:04.400 Yeah. 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:11.119 And so she already was a little bit on, I mean, she was on edge from the boat ride in. 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.599 So it could be supernatural. 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:21.440 It could be it's her brain brain playing tricks on her and she getting a little like things that we might hear in our house. 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:21.759 Yeah. 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.200 We've amplified to. 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:24.319 Yes. 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.400 I also I'm okay with supernatural. 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.400 Like that's it's it's when we get into I am the devil. 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:30.559 Right. 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:31.359 Do you know what I mean? 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.640 Like they're they're doing a seance. 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:32.880 Yeah. 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:33.359 Don't like that. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:33.680 Yeah, yeah. 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.799 I don't want that in a book. 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.240 I don't like the feeling of it. 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.839 It just doesn't sit right with me. 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.880 And then suddenly it's like they're bringing forth a demon, like literally, it's demonic. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.000 He's saying he's from hell. 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.720 Like, I don't want it. 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:45.519 I want no part of it. 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:45.839 Yeah. 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.880 But was it okay once it was fake? 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.200 Yeah. 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:49.599 Okay. 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.160 And I figured it would get because he's more of a thriller writer, he doesn't really write. 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:55.200 Yeah. 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:55.359 Okay. 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.720 So that's the first question. 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:01.759 Is for much of the book, they make you think that something supernatural is happening. 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:08.240 Did you think that it was supernatural, or were you suspicious that it was someone manipulating? 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:09.920 And which one did you want? 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.880 When I was in the thick of it, I was like, Lindsay, better. 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:15.279 Surely she would not suggest this book. 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.440 And so I was trusting you in the process. 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:18.160 Oh, okay. 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:19.359 That's so nice of you. 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.279 Because I didn't think about that. 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:25.359 I don't know. 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:34.559 I I don't think I bought in that it was the supernatural, but I also didn't know who was faking it. 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:41.119 Yeah, like I did, I wasn't, nothing felt really clear to me, but I wasn't or like how they were doing it. 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:41.519 Yeah. 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:42.000 Yeah. 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:49.440 I too, I was like, part of me was, oh, is this Riley Sager's first foray into Supernatural? 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:50.880 It's the right time of year. 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.960 So at first I was like, I'm I'm kind of hoping, but I just in the back of my mind, I'm like, he's the thriller writer. 00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:57.359 He's not. 00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:57.519 Yeah. 00:30:57.920 --> 00:30:58.799 So it's gonna be something. 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.680 Yeah, like a little dipping a toe into something. 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:04.640 It was. 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:06.880 I yes, it was like horror light. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:07.279 Yeah. 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.079 Yeah. 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:09.680 Demonic. 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:11.920 Light. 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.559 It's like faux demonic. 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:17.119 Yeah. 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:18.640 That sounds like so chic. 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.039 Yeah. 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:20.079 Fake demons. 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:22.640 We're not real demons. 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.160 It's fake demons. 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.039 Oh my gosh. 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.200 Even worse, it's a person pretending to be a demon. 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.160 Right, right. 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:36.160 Okay, what did you guys think of the setting of the island and no electricity, phones, etc.? 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:37.920 That was the strength of it all. 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:38.960 It was very atmospheric. 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:39.279 Yeah. 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.000 I love that. 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:40.640 It was good. 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:41.680 I liked it too. 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.200 And it seemed realistic, like they're actually going off to this island. 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.599 Sometimes when they don't have cell phones, you know what I mean? 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.279 I'm like, okay, this is all a setup. 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:49.599 Right. 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:57.839 But it seemed realistic the way that they were doing it, saying the director is kind of this like kooky character that says, you know what, we are gonna live this before we film this. 00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:59.279 Yeah, because Hollywood is weird. 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.039 Yeah, Hollywood's so weird. 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:06.880 And so it makes a lot of sense that they they were taking away their cell phones, they were dressing up in 1926. 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.920 Yes, I I like Yeah, I did. 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.279 I liked the island, and I thought that was the best part of the book. 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.200 And I thought it was like creepy and yeah, it

was it's a perfect read. 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.119 I thought it's a perfect read for this time of year. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.599 If you're looking for like a thriller that is not supernatural, but that's kind of a spoiler. 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.160 But if you're this far, hopefully you've read it already. 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:26.720 For sure. 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:28.960 Just listen to us till I know. 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.960 Okay, I have a would you question. 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.359 Would you have taken the job if you were a Marin? 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.119 A hundred thousand percent. 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:38.079 Wait, yes. 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:39.519 Why wouldn't you take the job? 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:46.319 Well, when Lindy texted that thing saying, like, back out, don't do it, chick, or whatever she said. 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:47.279 It was too long. 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.119 Would that have deterred you? 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:49.759 No. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.039 I would have been like, she's jealous. 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.000 I would have been like money, money, money, money. 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.559 You got fired so now you're trying to scare me. 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.279 Yeah, I'm like, okay, take the job or what? 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.519 Move in with your parents because you're an out-of-work actress. 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:03.759 Right. 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.240 My parents don't even really like you that much. 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:06.720 Please. 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.359 What did you guys think of the dual timelines? 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:16.079 It was that that's that's where I was fighting for my life because I was like, there's too many names. 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:17.440 I know I'm not in drawing. 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:26.480 It was helpful that we were only in the back part, like the in the past, probably 25%. 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:36.079 We were primarily like you would have the snippets of Daisy, but you didn't, we weren't like half and half. 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:37.680 Yeah, I yes. 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.440 I think that that was helpful for sure. 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:47.039 And it was also helpful that it didn't all of the names in the earlier years in 1926, they didn't matter in the end. 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:47.519 No. 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:48.000 Yeah. 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:54.160 Which for me, you're like, dang, disclosure in the beginning where disclaimer would have been nice. 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.680 I I have realized that I am not a good skimmer. 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:05.279 I literally I if I try to skip over a sentence that I feel like might be important, especially with names in it, I can't do it. 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.920 And so then I spend all of my time trying to like remember, okay, this is this person, this is this person. 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:11.760 And then what was it for? 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:12.079 Nothing.

00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:18.639 But I actually am happy that it was for nothing because if it was for something, I would have been like, this is how he was trying to trip us up and this is lazy. 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:19.039 Right. 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:20.079 Yeah, that's true. 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.599 Did you like one timeline better than the other? 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:25.679 I liked modern present day. 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:26.000 Yeah. 00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:27.519 Oh, I liked the past. 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:28.159 Oh, really? 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.039 Because every time we were in the past, I feel like we got more answers. 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.480 When we were in present, they were just bumbling around trying to figure out what the hell was going on. 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:35.039 That's true. 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.760 But every time you read in the past, you were get the things were being explained. 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.280 So I was like, get me back to some answers. 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.639 Instead of all you idiots disappearing one at a time. 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:49.280 Yeah. 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.559 Although I did so, Marin, did you guys like Maren? 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:53.760 She was fine. 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:54.639 I didn't really care. 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.760 I just I was I was sort of apathetic towards her. 00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:58.639 I felt the same. 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.880 Yeah, I didn't hate her, didn't Yeah. 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:07.280 But I the only thing I would say is that I did appreciate that she wasn't such an idiot. 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.360 Like she could have been much more of an idiot. 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.280 She was more of like a final girl. 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:12.880 Which is what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:13.920 She was more of a final girl. 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.079 And she was also like taking initiative. 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:24.960 Like all these people just like sitting here like oh well for the first day when nobody's making breakfast, and she's like, Okay, I guess we need to eat. 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:26.559 Like, I don't know. 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.280 I just there were parts of her that I was like, okay, thank you, go do something. 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.760 She wasn't quite a doormat either, whenever it came to Ronan's sexual advances. 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.119 She seemed kind of like with it. 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:36.000 Like, you know what? 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.480 I don't know the way that he just kissed me. 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:39.199 I did not. 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.239 That was unwelcome. 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:40.639 Right. 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.119 Yeah. 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:45.920 And for his like position and power, she could have been like, Yeah. 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:46.960 Do what you need. 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:47.760 Yeah. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:48.639 But no. 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:49.199 Nope. 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.880 I love that she's like, I'm just gonna pretend like I didn't hear him. 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.400 I was like, because that's something you would do. 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.800 You'd be like, oh wait, what did you say something? 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.320 Sorry, I couldn't hear it. 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:03.280 Oh my gosh. 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:05.679 Okay, so what did what was your theory? 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:06.719 So what were your thoughts? 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.880 Well, I texted, I called you. 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:09.679 Yeah. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.719 Because okay, I had two thoughts of where it was gonna go. 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.039 And I think both books would have been no, one of my theories would have been better. 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:20.719 But it they're they were both kind of right. 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:21.760 Okay, go ahead. 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:35.039 Okay, so my first theory was that she was the only one that was not in on it, and they were they hired her because she didn't have family, she didn't really have a background, like no one really loved her, she was unknown. 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.000 Oh my god. 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.840 And they were able to trick her kind of the way. 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.559 Did you guys see the show Jury Duty? 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:43.360 Yes. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.920 So they specifically chose her to bring her to this island and do all these crazy scary things. 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.760 And all these famous actresses are in on it and the and the director's in on it. 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:55.440 And you would like that look better. 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:56.639 It's like you're punked. 00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:57.039 Boom. 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.360 Like that's not even scary. 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.639 Like they're filming, they're filming all these scary things. 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:06.800 And the twist in the end is that she they've put her through hell. 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.639 And for just on a TV show. 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.000 And she's gotta sign her because she wants to be famous, so she's gonna sign her life away. 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:16.320 And that's the movie is that they tricked this poor poor girl. 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.159 That's exactly what I thought it was, too. 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:25.039 I thought it was like the okay, I said the Truman show, but the that's what I was thinking, but not like where it was streaming live. 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.320 Well, spoiler for a 30-year-old movie. 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.079 But one of the best movies of all time. 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:30.880 Yeah, that's great. 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.400 Okay, so in the Truman show, it's like airing like live as it was happening. 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:35.119 I didn't think it was that. 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:49.440 I guess it's more jury duty where I

thought that everybody else was in on it and they were having her, but I thought it was gonna be more of a remember when she did her tape? 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.639 Yeah, yeah, and she told about her scary sister. 00:37:52.960 --> 00:38:08.239 Yeah, I was thinking they picked her because they thought that she actually had some media power like the so they were bringing her there to try to get her to do and make a movie and like make a movie out of it. 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:09.360 Oh, yeah, see? 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:16.960 So, like similar, yes, but then somebody said the something like that, and I was like, Oh, okay, never mind, it can't be that. 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.960 Oh, as then he like casually mentioned it. 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.679 Yeah, or she thought, is this what's happening to me? 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.320 And I was like, Oh, okay, well, she pointed it out, so it can't be that. 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.280 Oh, I don't remember that. 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.519 And then I had no more thought after that. 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.800 I was just wrapped up in the story. 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:29.840 What was your second one? 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.159 My other theory was because you specifically said, Adrian, I want you to read this book. 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:37.519 Do you understand now? 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.840 Not really, but the reason why either no, okay, go ahead. 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:52.000 The reason I thought that, I thought that this was gonna be a Shutter Island ripoff, where if you've never seen Shutter Island, don't listen to this next part. 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:56.239 They have this girl who has had psychological problems her whole life. 00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:57.280 Who are you referring to? 00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.199 Mary, okay, Marin. 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.199 And she her parents, you know, have kind of left her to the wayside. 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:06.559 She's been like seeing things, hearing things. 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:07.039 Yeah. 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:18.880 And so, as a last ditch effort, like all of her therapists and her people, they bring her to an island to create this scenario in which it brings reality to the forefront. 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.599 Which really is kind of what they do with Daisy. 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:22.719 Yes. 00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.760 Which is why I was saying I was sort of right on both parts. 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.760 Can I say that we're spoiling all these movies? 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.519 Shutter Island, Truman Shaw, they're all over 20 years old. 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.280 So Yeah, Shutter Island, that actually I was sort of right on both. 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.000 Yeah. 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.800 Because they were, they did bring her because, but it was Violet who brought her, not Ronan, the director, and everybody was in on it. 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.639 It was Maren wasn't in on it, and Ronan wasn't in on it. 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.159 And the psychological reasons. 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.159 The psychological part was kind of true too, because that was Daisy's experience. 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.000 They did bring her to help her. 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:56.480 Yeah. 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:00.159 Okay, so the reason why I went in, did you have any theories or thoughts, Adrian? 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:00.800 Zero. 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.079 You're like, this is fun. 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.519 I was like, I need to finish this in today. 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.840 Here for a good time, not for a long time. 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.920 Yeah, no room for debating anything. 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.320 The reason that I wanted you to read it was because of the Daisy aspect. 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.360 Oh, yeah, you're just saying, like, is it really with the like multiple personalities? 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.440 Multiple personalities and like just all that. 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.119 I just thought you would find that part interesting. 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.800 No, I didn't, but I I do think that that is why I gave it. 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:30.400 Yeah, I thought that was the best part. 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.000 I thought that was so interesting. 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:48.159 I'm telling my favorite part was when she when they were doing the seance at the very end, and Violet turned into Daisy, but like goes in, like vomits and then comes up as like this puppet. 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:48.480 Uh-huh. 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:49.199 Oh my gosh. 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:50.960 I was like, this is so good. 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:51.920 This is so fun. 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:52.239 Okay. 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:53.280 Good acting. 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:53.920 Yeah. 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:54.800 It wasn't real. 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.840 Well, it was just like a fun element of it. 00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:58.880 I could picture it. 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.400 I'm like, this could be a very good. 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:08.320 It's like when we did his and hers and that one scene where the she like comes down and we know. 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.599 Like it just, I was like, this feels very visual. 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:12.880 This would be a good movie. 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:14.800 It would be a great movie. 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:15.599 I agree. 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:23.360 Okay, what were your thoughts on Violet and the whole daughter that felt that was the killing Ronan? 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.039 Yeah, that felt a little well, they had to. 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:34.880 What would have been a better because if it it couldn't have just been some random actress, she's not gonna like care that much kill someone. 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:35.760 Yeah, totally. 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.559 So what would have been a better way to do that? 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:39.599 Like device? 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:40.400 Yeah.

00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:54.000 Maybe if I don't know, like maybe if it had happened to her, like Ronan had a father who was also a director, he was a Nepo baby, and the father is the one that did it to Violet. 00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.679 So then why are you killing the son? 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:57.280 Take it out on him. 00:41:58.400 --> 00:41:59.199 Revenge. 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:00.880 Just take them out one at a time. 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:09.760 Maybe the father died from some unknown illness, and she had killed him, and then she was coming for his his next heir so they can reproduce no more. 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:10.639 Okay. 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:11.519 Sure. 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:12.000 Sure. 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:12.639 There you go. 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:13.199 I'll take it. 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:13.840 Whatever you want. 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.239 The daughter was probably a better plot device. 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:23.920 Would you have done what Marin did and been like, yeah, just make me famous, or would you have turned her in? 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.000 Would I have had morals or gone for fame? 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:28.719 I don't know. 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:29.840 I don't either. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.159 I d I I like the route she chose. 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.079 Would I have been brave enough to do that route? 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:35.039 I don't know. 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.760 I I think I would have been more chicken to turn her in. 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.679 I think that would make me like that. 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.039 It's braver to turn her in. 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.719 So I'd be like, okay, sure, fine. 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:45.280 Yeah. 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:46.320 Make me famous. 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:47.440 I'll shut my mouth. 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:48.719 And also, like, okay, it's a good idea. 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.760 It's a greater good. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.199 It that's what I was gonna say. 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.599 It's not like they killed like a good child. 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:54.239 Yeah. 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.119 They killed a awful yucky human being. 00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:58.239 Like, great, good. 00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:58.639 Yeah. 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.320 And he but he probably wouldn't have gotten what was coming to him. 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:03.039 Do you know what I mean? 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:04.880 Like if they went through the law. 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.440 For sure. 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:06.239 He's a man. 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:06.400 Yeah. 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:07.599 And he's got money. 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:08.960 Yeah, he's famous. 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:10.639 He's got connections. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.760 I'm glad they killed him. 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:12.880 Attractive. 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:13.440 Yeah. 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.320 He's I agree. 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.000 You know, maybe I would have wanted to become famous, leave my morals. 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:20.960 Nah, I wouldn't have. 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:22.559 I probably would have turned him in. 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.480 I wouldn't have, but I don't know if I like maybe give me the money. 00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.519 Like, I maybe just because like I don't have a desire to be famous. 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:30.960 Yeah, that might be it too. 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:31.760 That might be worse. 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.639 Maybe I would be like, give me money and I'll shut up. 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:35.519 That's even worse. 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.679 It's like blackmail. 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.239 I'm gonna exploit you. 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:41.840 Yeah, I don't know. 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:42.719 Okay. 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:56.320 Uh yeah, I think that it shows too that Marin is just as I don't know, that she's not as better off than anyone else in the than these other women. 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:56.880 Oh, yeah. 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.119 Because she's just as like down and dirty as I'll blackmail you. 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.880 And you held held hostage. 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.480 Because that's essentially what she's doing. 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.400 Is Violet probably can't stand her. 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:06.880 Oh no. 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:16.239 She's like, Yeah, you will be my like in the putty in my hand for the rest of my life. 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:17.119 Yeah. 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:18.800 Well, she's old, so go for it. 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:19.119 True. 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:19.519 Yeah. 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:20.159 True. 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.920 Do you guys have any other lingering questions at the end of the book? 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.800 Was there anything you felt like didn't tie it up for you? 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:27.679 I don't know. 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.599 I actually think I'm going up to a four-star. 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:31.039 I love that. 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:32.159 Have you ever done that? 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:32.800 No. 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.199 I've liked it more the more that we've talked about it. 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:35.840 Yeah. 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.440 I think it's smart. 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:38.159 It is. 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.119 Yeah, it was. 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.960 It was just, I I like the unique, more unique premise. 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.360 When it was all wrapping up, I was like, okay, there's another one. 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.360 Well, that's how I felt when I remember I said, I just finished this. 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:50.480 I need to process it. 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.159 Was it too much or was it not? 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:53.840 And then when I sat on it, it's not. 00:44:54.159 --> 00:45:01.599 Do you think the downfall of the book is that it's crammed, like so much is crammed in the last 15%? 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:13.440 Where there is

parts where you're kind of like, okay, can we girl women are girls are dying on both sides, like past and present. 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:18.320 So you're having like these deaths, but there is a lot of like kind of sitting around. 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:23.119 I mean, I guess every book might have a lull, but I'm like, we could have spread out some of this stuff. 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.159 They're just happened. 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.320 I like the or like recognizing, hey, we're all in on this, yeah, except for you. 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:34.639 And there were still like 50 pages. 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:35.440 So many pages. 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.119 And I'm like, how? 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:37.599 Yeah. 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.280 So that means to just that last 50 pages, so much happened. 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:41.519 Yeah. 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:42.880 There was a lot to wrap up though. 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:47.119 There were so many characters and so many like holes that could have happened. 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:48.800 Especially because they added layers. 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:49.119 Yeah. 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.000 Like it wasn't just a gotcha moment. 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:52.400 Yes. 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.400 Audrey, is this your first Riley Sager book? 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:55.280 Yes, this is my first. 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.360 Because I haven't read what's this famous one? 00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:58.480 The last one left. 00:45:58.719 --> 00:45:59.519 What is it? 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:00.800 The only one left. 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:02.480 I don't know if that's the most famous one. 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:03.039 That's just my thing. 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.800 Yeah, I don't know what his most famous would be. 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.599 I don't like thrillers. 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.440 And I liked this one, so that shows you something. 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:17.519 But I think it's because it had a horror element, even though it wasn't the type of horror I like. 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:18.079 Yeah. 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:18.639 Yeah. 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:19.519 Okay. 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.000 Anything else before we get into the casting corner? 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:23.280 No, I'm ready though. 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:24.559 I feel like my picks are good. 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:25.119 Okay. 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:26.639 Mine are not. 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.480 Who are we casting? 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.119 Marin, Violet, and Ronan. 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.719 Okay, who are we starting with? 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.400 Let's start with Marin and Adrian. 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:35.280 Adrian, go for it. 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:35.920 Adrian, yeah. 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:36.400 Okay. 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.559 I feel like we're all gonna pick the same person. 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:39.360 No, we're not. 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:39.679 Okay. 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:41.280 Miley Cyrus. 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:41.599 Oh no. 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:42.800 Sydney Sweeney. 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.320 No, not again. 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:45.360 Who'd you pick? 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:46.400 Sydney Sweeney? 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.119 No, no. 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:48.000 For Marin? 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:49.760 I don't know what you're choosing. 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.519 She's supposed to be like a little homely. 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.039 Okay, so yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:53.599 I chose. 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:55.280 How do you say her name? 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:55.920 I really don't know. 00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:57.199 Okay, not mine then. 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:00.239 Sydney Sweeney. 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:02.320 Sydney. 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:03.599 I'll help you. 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.639 Sayorcy. 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:05.840 Sersha. 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.119 Oh, Sersha Ronin. 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.559 Sersha Ronin. 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:09.840 Ronan. 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:10.559 I know. 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:11.760 Perfect. 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:13.280 I do love Sersha. 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:20.719 I feel like like her, she can be dolled up, but she in a lot of movies are like little women. 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:21.840 Isn't she in little women? 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:22.159 She is. 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:23.840 She's in Ladybird. 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.719 Like, she's very average looking. 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:27.199 Yeah. 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.639 With a little bit of unique features, but not. 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.360 Anyway, I feel like I was like, when I I that is exactly who I thought of. 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:35.840 Yeah. 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:37.920 The whole, the whole time I was reading. 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:38.159 Okay. 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:39.119 Oh, interesting. 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:40.000 Who is yours? 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:41.679 Mine is Mikey Madison. 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:42.719 Do y'all know her? 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:44.960 She won the Oscar two years ago for Best Actress. 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.639 Upset Demi Moore. 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:47.599 In what though? 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.920 Honora, which also won Best Picture that year, and everybody was like, what the heck? 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:53.679 I think she is perfect. 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:59.519 She's got that sort of, I don't know, it almost feels like a supernatural look to her. 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:00.880 She's got the dark hair. 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.360 Oh, I should have picked my girl with the weird eyes. 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:03.840 Yeah. 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.159 Oh, yeah. 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:06.000 The weird eyes don't like all the time. 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:11.360 And I but I feel like that she's also she's kind of different looking, but also attractive. 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:18.639 So it would make sense, even though Ronan was hitting on anything

with legs, it would make sense that like people were drawn to her. 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.719 She's a great actress, obviously. 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.239 She won, despite many people saying she didn't deserve it. 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:29.199 She's up and coming, so it's not like she's a face that everybody's seen. 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.039 I think she's perfect. 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.280 And she's the right age, because she's like 20, what, 25? 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:35.840 27. 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:36.559 27. 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.760 Only because I looked her up I to see her face. 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:41.280 I think she would be perfect. 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:42.480 She has the chops. 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:43.360 Okay. 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.920 I chose Daisy Edgar Jones because I couldn't think of anybody else. 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:48.960 I love her. 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:49.920 She can look homely. 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:50.800 She could see her. 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:52.559 She did it since sensibility. 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:53.599 I could see her. 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:54.800 Oh, she's in it? 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:55.360 Yeah. 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.599 Oh, I thought Florence P was in it. 00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.800 No, that's East of Eden. 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.159 Oh my god. 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.000 I can't keep track. 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.559 I could go with Daisy, but I like Mikey better. 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:05.199 Sorry. 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.159 I think Mikey's too striking. 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.119 Mikey's not pretty. 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:12.639 I don't think so. 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:14.559 She's striking because she's different? 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:15.119 Yeah. 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.599 I think she like sharp? 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:18.559 Yeah. 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.920 I can see that. 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:22.320 I like her. 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:24.719 Okay, wait, let's do Violet. 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:25.519 Okay. 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:27.280 I struggle with Violet. 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:36.559 I will say when the first introduction of her, when she was when Marion is like describing who Violet is. 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:37.039 Uh-huh. 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.400 I hadn't gotten the age down yet. 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.320 But the first person that this is not it, but this is my first impression was Natalie Portman. 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:48.800 Because she was like, she's way too young. 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.119 Yeah, but this was like first impression. 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.280 Yeah, I didn't realize she's intelligent. 00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.280 She was like very poised. 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.119 She's very private. 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:03.280 She is this like really creative actor. 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.360 I was like, oh, that sounds like Natalie Portman. 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.320 And then as it was going on, I

was like, oh no, never mind. 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.199 Bummer, because I love Natalie Portman. 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.320 So then I decided to go with like, I don't know. 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:24.800 I really, really struggled with capturing who I think Violet was personality-wise and this renowned actress. 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.199 So I choose chose Julianne Moore. 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:28.559 She's not bad. 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:29.199 Yeah, she's good. 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:29.599 She's good. 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:30.639 I like her. 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.280 I think that it was very clear whenever he was writing her credentials. 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:40.480 The fact that like she got so consumed into a role that people, she like won all these Oscars. 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:42.079 She had been nominated a hundred times. 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:43.280 I mean, that's Meryl Street. 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.280 He was describing Meryl Street. 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.000 But that is the Violet is not Meryl Street. 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:48.960 No, correct. 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.880 But that's like her career when he's talking about the first time. 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:56.239 That's where I was like struggling, like the Violet we were reading about versus like what they told us. 00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.840 And like I'm really struggling marrying those two things. 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:08.480 Yeah, like she could conform herself into anybody and she won all the awards and she was a media darling, and everybody that was he he was describing Meryl Street to me. 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:09.760 So is that who you no cat? 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.159 Oh because I think that's too on the nose. 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.719 Yeah, I think I chose Kate Blanchett. 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.280 Well, we could see that she can go crazy. 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.719 Because that's what, like, well, I do think she we're seeing her go crazy. 00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:31.199 And I think that she's poised and she's a strong figure, and I think she could play an actress playing an actress. 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:31.920 You know what I mean? 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:32.400 She's great. 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:33.440 I think she would be perfect. 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:33.840 Yeah. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:34.239 Okay. 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.119 Who'd you choose? 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:41.920 I chose Michelle Pfeiffer because she looks like she could kill you. 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.239 She does have looks that would kill. 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:45.840 Yeah. 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.159 I almost chose Michelle Pfeiffer. 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.440 I but she's a little too severe. 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:51.840 Yeah. 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:53.280 I feel like Violet should have some. 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.000 I think Michelle Pfeiffer in What Lies Beneath. 00:51:58.320 --> 00:51:58.400 Oh. 00:51:58.639 --> 00:51:59.199 I love that movie.

00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.000 God, I love that. 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.000 Okay, that's No, it's not. 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:03.119 Who's in the end? 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:04.559 It's the okay, this is we're spoiling. 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.239 We're spoiling so many movies. 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:06.880 We have to stop. 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:08.559 They're all old. 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:09.199 It's fine. 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:10.320 Such a good movie. 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.039 If you haven't seen that movie, I watch it every couple of days. 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:19.440 When I thought I was like, oh, Michelle Pfeiffer, that like that version of her would be great, Violet. 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:21.360 Yeah, I love that movie. 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.519 Okay, the Michelle Pfeiffer in like how she is now, nothing. 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.880 You know who wouldn't be bad? 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:27.920 Nicole Kidman. 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:29.280 That was my first person. 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:31.440 But then I was like, I think she's too young. 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.119 I also think Nicole, when I see Nicole Kidman now, I'm like, oh look, Nicole Kidman. 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.760 I can't like see her as who really's acting. 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.119 I'm like, there's Nicole Kidman. 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:39.360 Yeah. 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:40.000 Do you know what I mean? 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:40.400 Yeah. 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:40.880 Mm-hmm. 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:41.440 Anyways. 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:45.440 But yeah, we have no idea who Nicole Kidman is outside of like her poised. 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:46.480 Yeah. 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:47.679 Okay, Ronan. 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:53.440 I've seen her in practical magic, and she I'm just saying like personality-wise. 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:54.159 Yeah, I know. 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.360 I'm saying like she plays not poised in practical magic. 00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:58.800 So she could totally do it. 00:52:59.039 --> 00:52:59.840 She's great. 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:01.440 Okay, who do Ronan? 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.440 Who'd you cast for Ronan? 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:04.400 Oh. 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.639 Oh my gosh, your face. 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.719 I don't even wise her. 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:10.480 This is just who came to my head. 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.519 And I was with me the whole time was Oliver Hudson. 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:14.880 Really? 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:15.679 Yeah. 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:17.199 Interesting. 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:18.159 He needs work. 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:19.599 He hasn't been in the game. 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.320 He hasn't been in the game. 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.800 Oliver Hudson is 50. 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.000 Oh, Kate Hudson's brother. 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.039 He's on special force. 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:32.159 This is what I'm saying. 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.360 He needs work. 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:34.719 This would be good. 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:36.159 This revitalizes his own. 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.840 Yeah, he needs a good revitalization. 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:41.119 I don't think he's right for this. 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.360 Has he ever had like a stellar career? 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:44.239 No, never. 00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.519 Can you revitalize something that's never been revital? 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:50.639 He's cute. 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:55.360 He's cute, but he can play sleazy weasel. 00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:56.480 Yes, yes, yes. 00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:57.280 Oh, good. 00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.360 I chose James McAvoy. 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.039 I had him first and then I thought he was a little too scary. 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:05.599 No. 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:06.800 Oh my gosh. 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.239 He does have the striking blue eyes. 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.639 I think that he is if you've seen him charm in movies, he's so charming. 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:19.679 He has that director look where he would take himself too seriously, but then but behind closed doors, he's really sort of a creep. 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:25.199 I don't know him, but when I was looking for people, I stopped and I actually put him down first. 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:32.400 But I thought he looked a little so funny scary and like he would murder like you would think he's the bad guy watching the movie. 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:32.960 Does that make sense? 00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.360 I'm glad you get to see him and stuff though, because I don't know. 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:35.920 I don't know him. 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:36.960 I just know him from pictures. 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.000 He can be very, very charming. 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:41.360 Yeah, I don't know him. 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:45.760 I just from a picture, I thought he was perfect until I was like, oh, you know what? 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.599 I would think you it would be you. 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.039 He's the bad guy. 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:50.000 Okay, who did you choose? 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:51.840 I went for someone way younger than you guys did. 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.559 Mine is he's turning 40 in a couple of days. 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:56.320 Penn Badgley. 00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:58.079 Oh. 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.960 I love him, but I don't think I love him. 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.800 Mediocrely handsome. 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:03.280 Yes. 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:04.480 Not too handsome. 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:05.039 Yes. 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.280 Um, and if you've seen you. 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:08.320 Yeah, I have. 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:10.559 Yeah, he's He can be sinister. 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:11.519 He can be sinister. 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:12.079 He's good. 00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:12.559 I like him. 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:12.880 Yeah. 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.400 He seems like he would be the

type that could take himself too seriously too as a director. 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:22.079 Like, I'm gonna take you to an island and force you to live like one of the people lived in 1926. 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.920 I don't think I've seen him in anything except Gossip Girl or You. 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:27.599 Has he been in anything else? 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.559 Oh, he was in that Amanda Bines, not Amanda Mines. 00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.840 He was in the Emma Stone movie, Easy A. 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:35.360 Oh, I've seen. 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:36.559 John Tucker must die. 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.199 Oh, I've seen both of those, but he doesn't stick out. 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:40.719 Doesn't stick out to me. 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:41.760 Sorry, Penn. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:43.280 And also, what a name. 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:44.079 Pen. 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:44.559 I know. 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:45.119 Interesting. 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.199 I wonder if it's a pen name. 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:48.960 Is that what they call it? 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:50.480 Pennington. 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:51.599 Oh. 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:52.480 Yeah. 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.360 I don't know what it is. 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:54.000 Oh. 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.119 That's gotta be something. 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.480 Nobody names their kid Penn. 00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:57.920 I don't know, maybe. 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.960 Yeah, I I'm people name Penn. 00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.039 His name is Penn. 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:07.599 Penn Dayton Badgley. 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:09.280 Pendulum. 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:10.400 Pendulum? 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:11.360 I like that better. 00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:12.639 Penn. 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:13.840 Penjamin? 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:14.960 Wait, what is Pendulum? 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.400 That's a good one. 00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:17.519 Penjamin. 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.079 Penjamin Penn State. 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:20.719 Yeah. 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:22.079 We can go one in one. 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.639 I wonder if it must be a family name. 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:27.039 Okay, anyway, we got all really off track. 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.000 Sorry about that. 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.239 Alright, that's all we got. 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.320 Are you guys ready to announce our November book club pick? 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:35.920 Yes, I'm so excited. 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:43.599 If you were on our Instagram a couple of hours before we recorded, you saw that we did a poll and we have a winner. 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:44.480 We do. 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:51.679 So we're gonna go from creepy island mystery to a twisted story with a different kind of mystery. 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.360 We will be reading Mad Mabel by Sally Hepworth. 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.039 Adrian, I know you read this already, so can you give us a quick summary? 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.480 Tell us what it's about. 00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:05.440 I'll tell you meet Elsie Mabel Fitzpatrick. 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:06.800 She's 81 years old. 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:13.840 She is gloriously grumpy, fiercely independent, and never without a hot cup of tea or a cutting remark. 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:23.039 She minds her own business in her quiet Melbourne suburb until a neighbor turns up dead and the whispers start flying because Elsie hasn't always been Elsie. 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:29.760 Once upon a headline, she was Mad Mabel Waller, Australia's youngest convicted murderer. 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.559 But was she really mad or just misunderstood? 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.840 Either way, she's kept her secret buried for decades. 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.039 Enter seven-year-old Persephone. 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:47.360 Persephone, a relentless little chatterbox who has just moved in across the street, armed with stickers, questions, and no sense of personal boundaries. 00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.000 Joan, who seems to have it in for Elsie, and a healthy dose of public interest. 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:56.559 The cops are sniffing around and the media is circling like seagulls at a picnic. 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:58.800 So Mabel does what she's always done best. 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.119 She takes matters into her own hands. 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:02.480 That sounds so good. 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:03.519 I'm very excited about that. 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:04.559 That sounds like a Lindsay book. 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:06.239 It sounds like a Lindsay book. 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.360 I loved this book, so I'm excited for you guys to read. 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.800 I've heard a lot of people say it's good on audio as well. 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.079 I don't know if it is, but. 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:19.920 Well, if it has a little child, you ain't gonna like it because you already told us you could like it in Hello, everybody. 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:20.800 No, thank you. 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:21.760 I can't listen to that. 00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.800 But maybe it's an old person talking, and I can get down with that. 00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.320 So you j you gotta like switch from book to audio. 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:28.719 Maybe. 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:29.519 Old person? 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:30.079 Audio. 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:30.880 Little person? 00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:31.920 We'll give it a try. 00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:32.800 We'll see. 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:38.719 Alright, that episode drops the last Tuesday of the month, which is Tuesday, November 24th. 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.559 And that's a wrap on our October Book Club episode of Books Around the Block. 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:46.639 If you enjoyed the episode, please subscribe or follow the podcast before you leave. 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:48.480 And if you're already subscribed, thank you. 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:53.760 We appreciate every single person who listens, tells a friend, shares an episode, or talks books with us. 00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:01.280 You can also follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Books Around the Block Pod for book recommendations, reading updates, and so much more. 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.119 And don't miss next week's episode. 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:08.719 We're recapping everything we read in October and revealing what's on our TBRs for November. 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:13.119 Thanks for listening, and remember a good book is always just around the block. 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:13.760 Bye. 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:14.480 See ya.