บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Forbidden Questions Inside Scientology - Secrets of Scientology #14

that lists like hundreds of things that are considered uh crimes, misdemeanor misdemeanors, crimes, high crimes, and suppressive acts. 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:09.279 Okay. 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:10.000 Yeah, that's right. 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:10.399 Yep. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:11.600 You can find those. 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.920 For all you Scientologists out there, that's the stuff listed in the ethics book. 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:16.879 Yes. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:18.800 Um Yeah. 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:34.560 So they're not but but but even early on in scientist when you're in Scientology, there's a policy letter that you read on every single course that's called KSW, keeping Scientology Working. 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:37.600 Everybody refers to it in Scientology as KSW. 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:38.480 Yes. 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.600 And in KSW, uh L. 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:48.879 Ron Hubbard basically says in that policy that we've already figured out the right way to do this. 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:52.079 And any way that you think we should do this is wrong. 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:52.800 Yeah. 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:56.639 Any any ideas of how to improve things are not welcome. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:57.199 Yeah. 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:20.639 Basically saying and he he says in there, when he did take ideas from people, then Scientology sort of fall f uh floundered and was unsuccessful and almost was ex went you know bankrupt because he followed ideas or took criticisms and changed the way things were being done done at the time. 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:25.040 Um and so then he says, yeah, we tried other things and they didn't work. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.040 So we're done with that. 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:28.480 We're not trying new shit. 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.879 It's like I know best. 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:31.279 Yeah. 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.040 I know the way to do this, and everyone else can just take a hike. 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:45.199 Yeah, he actually even says in there, he says, we won't we won't contemplate or we don't need to wonder how I rose above the bank. 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.279 This is Elrond Hubbard talking in his policy. 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:53.360 Yeah, and by bank we mean reactive bank, which is the source of all human uh failure. 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:54.000 Aaron Powell Yeah. 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:59.120 He basically says we don't need to question how I did that. 00:06:59.439 --> 00:06:59.680 Right. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:00.560 I did it. 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:01.199 Exactly. 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:02.959 So just shut shut your face. 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.160 Do as I say, not as I do. 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:21.439 Anyway, I'm trying to think if there's any other policies or if there's any other place in Scientology where they specifically say don't ask this. 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:22.560 I think that's really it. 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:45.759 Well, the other thing is if you're thinking about leaving Scientology because because you're critical of it and you think, hey, this is a scam or this is a cult or this is a pyramid scheme, whatever you liken it to, and you say, I I'm thinking of getting the heck out of here, if you say that to another Scientologist, that is a crime. 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.639 And and if you do it, that's a suppressive act. 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:48.879 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:49.360 Right. 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:59.120 And if the if the Scientologist that you said that to doesn't report you, then they are liable for the same punishments as you are. 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.199 Aaron Powell Yeah, they get you're right. 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:09.600 Yeah, they get the same they get the same the penalty is the same for someone who didn't report it as the person who actually committed the act. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:09.839 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:11.199 Yep, exactly. 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:12.879 Yahoo. 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:15.040 Yeah, fun, fun, fun. 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:41.440 So definitely members are not allowed to investigate criticism, even when there's something significant that uh, you know, like for example, the tragic death of Lisa McPherson, there were Scientologists who knew about that, but they're not allowed to question or ask what happened or or even they're not informed. 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:50.000 Like I'm sure many civilian Scientologists in Clearwater, so that happened in December 1995. 00:08:51.039 --> 00:09:00.399 I'm sure there were there are most civilian Scientologists that at you know were doing services at FLAG were unaware that that happened. 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:06.080 Yeah, and even that's a good point because even the people that were close to that. 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.240 Um let me just see something here. 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:08.960 Okay. 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:21.200 Um some of the people that were close to that, Hubb or not Hubbard, Miscavige, kind of pulled closer to his orbit so that he could keep an eye on those people. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:21.840 Yep. 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.080 And he could sort of like control them a little bit more. 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:27.120 Or a lot. 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:27.679 Yeah. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:29.440 Like Bonetta Slaughter. 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:29.840 Yep. 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.519 Because she had a very close relationship with Lisa McPherson. 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:34.080 Right. 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:35.360 She worked at the same company, right? 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:38.799 Yeah, I think she worked for um Bonetta. 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:39.200 Yes. 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:49.039 Or there was some kind of connection where they were friendly within Scientology and at and at work in two different areas. 00:09:49.440 --> 00:10:02.720 And Miscavige made Banetta Slaughter like the head of applied scholastics in um they had like some learning center somewhere in I I I want

to say it was in Oklahoma, but I don't remember. 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:03.759 No, it was in St. 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:04.080 Louis. 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:04.720 Yeah, I think it's a lot of people. 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:10.639 I think she even more recently, maybe even currently, joined the C organization. 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:11.919 I don't know about that. 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:12.240 Yeah. 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:24.399 But either way, that was somebody who was close to that situation that if she uh defected, it would be a major, major problem because she knew a lot and she wasn't in the Sea Org. 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.960 She was a a paying member of Scientology. 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:27.440 Yes. 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:31.039 So he had less control over her than he did. 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.759 Um, is it as if she was a C org member. 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:34.480 Yep. 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.279 Um I'm trying to think of uh anything else like that that would be a good example. 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:44.480 That because you know uh I say this a lot, but it's really, really true. 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.600 There are a ton of Scientologists that watch this channel. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:48.480 Oh yes. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:50.799 So we talked about that. 00:10:59.120 --> 00:10:59.919 Under the radars. 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:00.960 Exactly. 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.120 And that they've been watching and going, yeah, what it's on point, right? 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:05.519 Yeah. 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:06.799 Nothing has changed. 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:07.120 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:07.519 Yeah. 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:15.039 We're not we're not telling some stories that happened a long time ago and then they never happened again. 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.480 It's always the same things that just happen over and over again. 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:18.720 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:20.000 Which is why we keep talking about it. 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:28.799 And also a lot of these things that do happen, Scientologists, there's a like a little whisper web that goes around amongst them. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.360 And they're not really they're not really questioning Scientology. 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.320 They're just saying, hey, did you hear what happened with the blah, blah, blah? 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:37.440 And then they go, yeah. 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:42.399 And then they they both kind of got to wonder, is that guy under the radar? 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:43.759 Am I under the radar? 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:44.559 What's going on here? 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:44.960 Right. 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:56.639 And so when we answer these questions, and when we tell them why you know Scientologists aren't allowed to ask questions and all these other things, that rings true with these people. 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:03.039 So they can even, even if they don't know about the Lisa McPherson thing, because that happened in 1995. 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:03.519 Yes. 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:17.679 There was something that happened two years ago that the same exact thing kind of went around, and then it was just like, oh no, that, you know, that it's the best one is that there's public Scientologists, so paying members. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:18.080 Yes. 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:19.360 So like civilian scientists. 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:20.879 Civilian Scientologists. 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:25.360 We we try to differentiate for the for the non-scientology people. 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:35.759 The people that signed the C org uh contract for a billion years, those are those people are forever bound to the Scientology. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:42.720 If you're a paying member or a civilian Scientologist, you're just paying for courses and counseling. 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.440 And if you want to leave, you could leave. 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.600 You might have to get disconnected from your family if your family are in Scientology. 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:57.600 But if you're the only person in your social group or your work group or anything that's connected to Scientology and you leave, there's not really anything they can do. 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:05.360 The most leverage they have is over relatives, friends, or business associates that are also in Scientology. 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:05.919 Yes. 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:17.519 And that's that is one of the reasons why Scientologists often are have all those things are all Scientology, because that's encouraged by Scientology. 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:18.320 Yep. 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:19.360 Okay. 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:23.840 Um do you want to um well we'll answer the questions at the end. 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.000 I see Jacob Hart Harkey's got a question up here. 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:27.200 We'll answer the other ones at the end. 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:29.759 Yeah, we'll definitely get to that for sure. 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:30.559 So what's the other thing? 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.399 Okay, so the next question is why is looking at the internet considered dangerous? 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:48.480 And specifically in regards to the internet, I I thought this was worthwhile talking about because as far back as 2000, um the internet was starting to cause a lot of problems for Scientology. 00:13:48.639 --> 00:14:02.320 And I personally have seen how much um the access to the internet accelerates the decompression phase that someone exiting Scientology very often goes through. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:12.799 Like it used to be that, you know, Scientology would keep tabs on those people and and have someone reporting to them, following their movements and so forth. 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:23.840 But now with the, you know, with the where things have gotten to, you know, someone can get out and just go on a deep dive on the internet and learn all kinds of things. 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:28.399 And

it it dramatically speeds up that that decompression phase. 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:29.039 Aaron Powell Yeah. 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:46.320 The other thing that I think it helps with is in Scientology, when you're in that world and you're basically living a Scientology life, there's people that disappear from your life all the time in Scientology. 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:47.039 For sure. 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:57.279 If you are a paying member and you're going to the organization, you might always see Susan, who's the person that tells you what your next course is and all that stuff. 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.480 And Susan could have been at that organization for 10 years. 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:01.039 Right. 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:07.039 And you go into the advanced organization of Los Angeles one day, and Susan's just gone. 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:07.360 Right. 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:09.360 And there's another person there doing that. 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:09.679 Right. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:11.440 And you say, What happened to Susan? 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.559 And then that person says, Oh, she's on a project. 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:15.200 Right. 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.799 And you're like, Okay, is she gonna come back? 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:19.519 Or da da da? 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:23.440 And then they're like, Oh, but you know, she's on a project. 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.080 It could be two months, could be twenty years. 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:26.720 We don't know. 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:27.120 Yep. 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:43.919 And then you go to Clearwater, Florida, to do your your upper levels that you can only do there, and you see Susan running around in black digging up weeds on the sort side of the corner or whatever, and you're like, oh, she was on a project. 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.879 The rehabilitation project, force. 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.000 And so Oh dear, poor Susan. 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.159 Yeah, but they do that all the time. 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:52.480 Yes. 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:57.200 It's a regular occurrence when somebody just disappears. 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.759 They just say, Oh, that person went on a project. 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:00.080 Yeah. 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:07.039 And that is in Scientology, that is a it's a genuine answer that does happen. 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:08.799 People do go on projects. 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:17.519 They go to another organization or they go to another country to get science fix up some problem that they're having somewhere here or there or everywhere. 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.000 And then you don't see that person again. 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.840 But then you never ever see them again. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:24.240 Right. 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.559 And that's the part that's weird, is that they left and they're gone. 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:35.279 And a lot of times their husband still works at the place where she where Susan worked, her husband works there too. 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:40.960 So you kind of go like, so she went somewhere, her husband didn't go with her. 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:41.600 Right. 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:43.200 And that's it. 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:44.320 That's just the end of it. 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:45.759 We're never gonna see Susan again. 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:46.080 Right. 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.039 And so But that and that's also not uncommon. 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:54.080 Like that wouldn't stand out because husbands and wives are often separated, as we were. 00:16:54.399 --> 00:17:09.680 Yeah, but where the internet comes in is you can go on the internet and you can type in Susan, her last name, and then you find out Susan's not even in the Sea Org anymore, and she's talking smack about them on some message port somewhere. 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.920 And you're like, she ain't on a project. 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:12.960 She flew the coop. 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:14.319 Here, I have to show this. 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.279 This makes me laugh. 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:16.559 Love Food Kitchen. 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:18.400 Susan, we haven't heard much about her. 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.559 Was Susan's replacement Billy Bob? 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:24.079 No, Susan is the female Billy Bob, okay? 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.640 I I don't have a good uh Elma Ray. 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.640 I can't I what's a good equivalent? 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:31.279 A Susan. 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:33.920 I like a Susan because Susie Sue? 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:34.319 No. 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:35.279 Susie Sue. 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:35.920 That's a good one. 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:37.279 I like to like Susie Sue. 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:39.039 Okay, we'll change it to Susie Sue. 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:40.400 Susie Sue and Billy Bob. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:42.000 Susie Sue and Billy Bob. 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:42.319 Yeah. 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:46.160 There is a Susan everywhere in Scientology. 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:46.640 For sure. 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.079 There's always a lot of Susans. 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:48.960 There's always a Susan. 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:50.640 There's Susans who have escaped. 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.400 There's Susans who are still there. 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.519 There's Susan's on the rehabilitation project for Susan. 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:56.480 Susan's on the decks. 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.039 You know what's also funny, which they have a lot of there? 00:17:59.359 --> 00:17:59.920 Karen's. 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:01.359 Oh, they do. 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:01.839 Yes. 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.319 I knew four Karen's at the end base. 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:07.200 There's tons of Karen's. 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:07.839 Yes. 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:09.279 Karen Priori. 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.200 They called her KK, but her name was Karen. 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:12.559 And there was Karen West. 00:18:12.960 -->

00:18:13.599 Karen West. 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.720 There was also uh Karen uh Hollander. 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:18.640 That was the uh I am. 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:25.519 And then there's a few Karen who are former members, like Karen De La Carrière, Karen Presley, Schles. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:26.640 I'm telling you. 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.559 They have their stock of Karen's. 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:29.519 They did. 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.079 That was way before Karen became Karen. 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:33.200 Yeah. 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:34.640 Yeah, way back. 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:35.039 Yeah. 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:45.200 Anyway, so the thing about the Internet that I'm trying to get to, though, is a lot of people in Scientology go missing and they never hear about them again. 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:45.759 Right. 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:52.400 And when people get on the internet and they search that person, sometimes they show up and they know. 00:18:52.640 --> 00:19:01.920 Or somebody like us has posted something and or we've done a video about all these different things that happened, and one of those people happened to be in the orbit of that story. 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:02.160 Yeah. 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.559 And they go, oh my God, that's blah, blah, blah. 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:15.039 And that's even how You know, that's the whole purpose of the Aftermath Connect program, which we have on the Aftermath Foundation website of Find a Missing Person. 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:22.960 The idea of that was if you've lost a loved one or a friend or something else to Scientology, you can post there. 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:27.599 And the whole goal of that is when that person eventually gets out and searches their name. 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:33.759 That will pop up in the top, you know, so you leave messages for them and so on and so forth. 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:38.160 And we've had a few cases where that was successful, which is awesome. 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:39.839 Okay. 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:56.960 I think that's uh I mean the Internet the Internet will be credited as one of the major forces that sort of defanged Scientology and also has been exposing Scientology for decades. 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:57.279 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:57.519 Right. 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:03.839 Because it creates a transparency that that Scientology cannot undo. 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:04.079 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:08.960 Yeah, and they can't use their systems to shut it down. 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:17.279 They've already tried that Scientology has tried every legal thing possible to shut down things on the internet. 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:27.599 They've been that for for all of the 90s and the 2000s, they were trying to get websites shut down and suing people that were hosting servers and all these different things. 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:29.759 Infiltrate um message boards. 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:31.279 Which they have done. 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:31.519 Yeah. 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:37.519 And they were successful in kind of derailing a specific site. 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:44.240 But now there's so many people and so many places where you can get information about Scientology that's factual. 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:51.200 Not the homogenized version Scientology gives you, but what they really actually are up to. 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:56.799 And they don't have a way, they really don't have a way to plug those holes. 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:03.519 There's a thousand holes in their ship that are leaking or letting water in or however it works. 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:03.920 Yep. 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:05.359 I'm not a scientist. 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:06.000 Okay. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:06.799 You're not? 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.519 Um what's the what's the next question? 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:11.039 Okay, next question here. 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:12.559 Let me get back to my note. 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:13.279 All right. 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:18.079 Why are members discouraged from asking where the money goes? 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:20.559 That's a good question. 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:34.559 So in Scientology, the money, the how they how they process funds is very, very, very like written in stone. 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:35.200 Yep. 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.160 Um they have certain accounts they're supposed to keep. 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:50.240 There's certain percentages that every organization needs to send to the next level up organization, whether it's the continent or the international level or whatever it is. 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:56.960 If a dollar comes in, the organization does not get to keep the largest portion of that dollar. 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.759 That dollar moves on to the next organization. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:07.039 organization that's co or royalties from the the the business that manages L. 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.640 Ron Hubbard's like his his works. 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:18.400 So essentially in Scientology they have all these different organizations set up that are grabbing a piece of that dollar. 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:21.839 And they can't really not do that. 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:36.160 If you're a Scientology organization and you made$10,000, it doesn't matter that your rent is overdue, it doesn't matter if the the gas or the oil or the heat or AC is going to get shut off. 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.440 You're still going to give that royalty for L. 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:40.960 Ron Hubbard still going to L. 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.640 Ron Hubbard's organization, Author Services Incorporated. 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:45.599 Right. 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:50.799 So it's that same way with management, with all these other things. 00:22:51.279 --> 00:23:24.720 The other thing that's kind of crazy about Scientology in the in the in the finance end of it is when they build one of these new ideal organizations,

they fundraise so all the people in Buffalo that are the big wigs in Buffalo and any other big wigs that used to live in Buffalo or want to give them a million bucks for the Buffalo organization, they get all that money together, they buy, build or renovate a building and then when that building's done, the organization in Buffalo does not own that building. 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:25.279 That's right. 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:32.240 Scientology International now has property or the building or whatever. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:39.359 And if the Buffalo organization just goes kaput, they can sell that property and make a ton of dough. 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:39.920 Yep. 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:59.279 And so the Buffalo organization what they end up having to do is they become a tenant of I think it's called I c it's I can't remember the name of the it used to be called CIPRO, Scientology International Property Renovations Organization or something like that. 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:13.200 I mean the post of international landlord as the name implies means that those organizations will pay rent to in int management even though they fundraise locally to purchase the building. 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:25.440 And Amy Scoby has talked about the the scenario when she was responsible for like she was the head management position over Scientology organizations. 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:46.240 And there was a time that one of the organizations was getting evicted for not paying their rent and David Miscavige demanded that she personally out of her pocket pay the$5,000 to avert that eviction which of course no C org member has$5,000. 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.519 Most of them in those days didn't even have bank accounts. 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:56.480 Yeah and and certainly$5,000 you might as well be a quatrillionaire in the C org five oh my gosh. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.839 Dude you know how much cigarettes and coffee you could buy with$5,000? 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.799 This guy's this guy's this guy's a baller. 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:03.440 Right. 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:11.839 Oh my goodness yeah anyway so yeah so the finances are and also here's a crazy thing. 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:26.559 So when they had the the the the standard finance system which L.Run Hubbard devised all of the all of these percentages come out of the money that Scientology gets. 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:33.599 But that's for training on Scientology courses or getting counseling in a Scientology organization. 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:39.279 When they switched over to this fundraising method that's a whole new thing. 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:44.880 And because there's no such thing as fundraising in Scientology because L Ron Hubbard said not to do it. 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:45.599 Right. 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:49.119 There's no rules on where that how that money gets dealt with. 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:49.599 Yeah. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:58.799 And whatever rules have been put in place I can guarantee you right now if you raise a million dollars in Buffalo Buffalo ain't getting that million dollars. 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:14.240 That that million bucks is going up to David Miscavige in RTC or the IAS or what or whatever campaign he's running, that's the place that's getting that money just like the building ones. 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:14.559 Right. 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:23.680 When they ri fundraise for buildings the Scientology international and David miscavige are controlling all that money. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:24.240 Right. 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.559 And they don't have to tell you anything about it. 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:27.440 It's a donation. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:39.839 Exactly like any Scientologist making a donation to the IAS the International Association of Scientologists none of them are ever allowed to ask well what is this money going to be used for? 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:41.279 Where is it going? 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:52.000 Those are all bid in questions because it's critical or it's just asking it's actually asking a very logical question but it's not allowed. 00:26:52.480 --> 00:27:14.720 Yeah but you know you just brought up something you're not really allowed I mean there's rules I'm sure they're not following them but if somebody says I'm donating this money for this thing and they fundraised that money for this thing in the nonprofit world you're really supposed to put that money towards that thing. 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:37.039 Yeah it's called restricted funds when you say okay I'm I'm do making this donation to this program you that you're agreeing and and as a nonprofit you're required to document that and account for that that that those funds are earmarked for that program and it's a very precise specific thing. 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:48.960 Yeah so I guarantee you I mean that it's similar there was a lawsuit many, many years ago where they were raising money for the new building this new Superpower building. 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.440 Superpower building in in Clearwater, Florida. 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.559 It's a giant new building that they built I don't remember. 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.000 They built now it uh it opened like a a while ago now. 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.799 I want to say like 2013 or something like that. 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:11.359 Aaron Ross Powell Yeah but they had there was going to be a cross on that building and they went to like eight different people and got money to pay for the cross. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:24.079 So it was like hey we need 500,000 from you for this cross and it'll be you'll be the person that put the cross on the building and then they did that to another handful of people and then those people found out about it. 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:32.880 They're like well you know I paid for the cross and then the other guy's like the hell you did I paid for the cross and then you know there's seven people who paid for the cross and the cross

cost$1,000. 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:34.160 Right. 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.799 Okay next question. 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:37.680 Okay. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:42.240 So why can't C org members simply leave? 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.519 Well that's a very complicated question. 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:56.880 It is there's layers there's layers to that and it also depends on what C org facility you are at um on how many layers there are. 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:57.599 Yeah. 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:23.680 If you joined the C organization in Los Angeles at one of the Los Angeles organizations or Clearwater for that matter you join the Sea Org and you can't cut it and you don't want to do that anymore and you were cleaning rooms at the Fort Harrison or at one of these hotels they have down there I don't think you're going to have as much of a problem trying to leave. 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.319 You're going to have problems and they're going to mess with you. 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:33.519 But if you're the only person in your family that's in Scientology, again, they don't really have any leverage and they can't really do anything. 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:58.000 If you are a Scientologist and your whole friend group and family and business associates and everything is involved in Scientology and then you leave and you leave the C org there's they're going to you're going to have to be on a very tight program of the things that you're going to do to repair why you left the C organization. 00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:58.480 Right. 00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:05.680 And they're going to be basically be keeping an eye on you and make sure you don't stir up nonsense with any other Scientologist. 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:12.880 But for the most part it is easier to leave from one of those physical restrictions. 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:22.559 But no C org member no member of the C organization is allowed to just say I want to leave and then it's like okay great walk out the door goodbye. 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:42.480 And this is the reason why many C org members choose to escape because if they say I want to leave to the um the police person, the ethics officer, then the automatic response is supposed to be to put them on what's called a leaving staff routing form. 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.319 And the whole purpose of that routing form is to change their minds and get them to stay. 00:30:48.400 --> 00:31:07.839 And that that involves security checking interrogations oftentimes heavy manual labor oftentimes segregation from their partner or their friends you know they're put on the on the decks and put under security watch all those extreme measures are all designed to change their mind. 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:26.799 Aaron Ross Powell Yeah and I would say there's an added layer to that which is it serves two purposes to to try to get you to stay and then if you don't stay and you do leave they have all the documentation they need because they just did an interrogation on you for three weeks straight. 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.279 So they know every single bad thing you've ever done in your entire life. 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:31.759 Yes. 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.240 And they can make a a mountain out of a molehill of any one of those things. 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:43.599 And they do they and they often then if the person finally reaches the final steps they will video the person now. 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.279 They didn't they they had just started doing this when we escaped. 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:47.680 Yeah. 00:31:47.920 --> 00:32:01.839 But they'll make the person sign a declaration saying oh yeah David Miscavige would never hurt a bird yeah uh everything was wonderful I committed these heinous crimes and that's the reason I'm leaving like all of that. 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:14.240 And of course by that point the person who is trying to just get out of there is just so desperate to get be shown the door that they just go ahead and sign. 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:26.160 Yeah most of the time when when the person has gotten to that stage it's been weeks or months that it took to get to this and they know it's the last thing they have to do to GTFO. 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.799 And it's like I'll do I'll and they are they're like I'll sign whatever you want. 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:36.880 You guys have been torturing me for months and trying to get me to stay and I do not want to stay. 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:37.200 Yes. 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:43.599 So they have all this ammunition and they basically tell you as well you better not say anything. 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:43.839 Yeah. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:33:00.160 And that you're signing nondisclosure bonds in some cases even now in some instances now they're also paying enough money with your signature you agree not to say anything. 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:00.799 Right. 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:08.880 When there when there's um financial exchange of funds it it weight it puts more weight to it. 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:33.440 Aaron Ross Powell It does and and that's that's kind of a crazy thing because the people that escape Scientology the the the thing we're talking about route right now is called routing out because like Claire said you do this leaving staff routing form which basically it's just a form that says go see this person and then when that person's done they sign it off and says now go see the next person. 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.519 And so you go through all these different people and one step could take six months. 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:38.160 For sure. 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:49.440 Because one of those steps is a leaving staff sex check security check where you're going to be interrogated for what crimes have you committed right right before you decided you wanted to GTFO. 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:51.279 What crimes did you commit? 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:52.160 Yes. 00:33:52.400 --> 00:34:01.519 And so they get all of that and then that's how you're

that's how you leave and they give you some money and they make you sign some documents. 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:06.160 Well if you escape it's the fast track routing form. 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.000 It's got one step GTF up. 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:10.400 You just have to succeed. 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:11.119 Yes. 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:12.320 You do have to succeed. 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:18.480 Because because if you don't succeed chances are it's going to be a way longer road. 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:24.480 Yeah but that's the other reason why some of these other locations are a little bit easier. 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:40.000 Correct when you're at the International Scientology base, you're in the middle of the desert essentially Yeah there's no you know you don't and you don't have a phone so it's not like you if you think about it in real world terms, barely anyone has a car. 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:48.239 So you have no vehicle uh it's a long walk even it's like four miles even to a payphone at least. 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:49.440 Yeah maybe more. 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:58.480 But also you don't have a lot of money normally most people in the Sea Org um don't have a lot of money. 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.800 There's a there's a few zec a few exceptions. 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:12.559 Like sometimes the the children of wealthy Scientologists are in the Sea Org and they've got an Amex card and their parents are just Melissa Fashback they they had money. 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.199 Trevor Burrus Yeah but they could do anything with that credit card. 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:15.440 Right. 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:22.159 They could get a biophone they could get a plane ticket whatever they needed they just show up with that credit card and they're good to go. 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.920 Now that's not the case for most Sea members. 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:33.840 So if you have no logistical wherewithal to make a call or to get a car or to do anything. 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:44.719 And also at that property most of those people have been very, very heavily secluded from the real world for at least a decade or so. 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.039 So they don't know how the real world works for the most part. 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:54.320 I mean we didn't even know you didn't even know what a calling card was when you tried to leave. 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.920 This was I mean cell phones were a thing back then. 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:05.599 But the cell phones that we had were owned by Scientology and they would regularly check the phone records. 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:06.000 Yes. 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:12.719 And if you if they found in the phone records that you'd made a call that was not authorized, the phone would be taken away. 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:17.199 It wasn't our personal it wasn't an open line in other words. 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:30.639 Aaron Ross Powell totally so and in fact I've heard by the way that now the phones that they give to members of the C organization are pre-programmed with the authorized phone numbers and none others are allowed. 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:39.039 Aaron Ross Powell Well they also have this little kind of net nanny spyware on there that keeps track of if they go on the interwebs where they're going on the interwebs. 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:40.639 There's some sort of filter. 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:55.920 I don't know if this is true I also heard this from at least two or three different people that had escaped is that they weren't allowed to have iPhones because iPhones don't allow you to put that tracker software on a phone I don't know if that's still the case. 00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:07.280 Yeah I don't know it seems like that would make sense that they would make them get Android phones so that they could put this sort of app on there that is very intrusive to your privacy. 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.440 Oh Catherine said that's exactly right Mark about iPhones. 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:13.760 Let's see what she said here. 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.599 Yeah oh that's exactly right about iPhones. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:31.039 Yeah so so that's a very telling thing that they're not even going to allow people in the Sea to have a certain phone because then they can't put on this tracking stuff that they want to use to track the person who has the phone. 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:40.480 So yeah I mean talk about crazy levels of control right it's just you can't you can't even they don't do not want you to Google David Miscavige. 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:46.400 They don't want you to Google Scientology I mean the long the list is long. 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:58.239 Yeah there's a video on this channel the whole almost the whole reason I created this channel the Blum for Good channel I think was I want to say I made it in 2008. 00:37:58.559 --> 00:37:58.960 Yes. 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.920 And I just had it as a place to put videos I thought would be interesting on Scientology. 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:14.639 Not with me in them it was just a whatever but one of those really old videos is the number of domains that Scientology they registered. 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.400 Yes the the hate websites. 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.119 But not even the hate websites because some of them are the David Miscavige sites as well. 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:26.960 So they they have thousands and thousands and thousands of domains registered. 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:37.440 So if you search david miscavige's beatspeople it goes to Scientology's official page for David Miscavige. 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:51.119 But that if you look through the list I I think you can play it on half speed um it's just basically the entire list scrolling the it's a it's a few minutes long. 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.559 It's a lot of domains. 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:52.880 Yeah. 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:59.119 So there's one that are what we call the hate sites and then I can't remember what we

called the other ones. 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:07.920 They were it was basically like a the PR sites that would basically just channel people who are looking up bad things about David Miscavige. 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:14.800 But like some of the domains are ri ridiculous like David Miscavige LronHubbard best friend dot com. 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.519 You're just like you guys don't know how the internet works. 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:31.920 You don't type in this I mean maybe at the time that was a thing to do just make the search the domain anyway I think that's I think we've answered that question sufficiently. 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.519 So why can't that's the answer to why can't SEO members simply leave? 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:35.840 Yeah. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:36.159 Yeah. 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:50.159 And and most of it does have to do with the leverage and control that Scientology exerts on its members um you know and will absolutely use their family against them, their friends against them. 00:39:50.400 --> 00:40:04.880 It's to me, in closing it speaks to how small Scientology actually is that most of the people there cannot just leave because their family friends, the people they work for or whatever is all tied into that world. 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:05.840 Totally. 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:17.280 And the another thing that I want to say about this is Scientology claims it has millions and millions and millions of tens of millions of members worldwide. 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:17.840 Right. 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:52.320 Which is completely horseshit but the thing that really the thing that really pushes this home that it is horseshit is if you had 10 million members and Johnny no Suzy Sue in Kia Cuck wants to leave Scientology who cares 10 million people what do we need Suzy Sue for I know but if you have but if you have 10,000 and Susie Sue wants to leave and she might take two other people with her we got a big situation on our hands. 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:52.800 Right. 00:40:52.960 --> 00:41:00.159 That was one of the biggest wake up calls to me when we got out was they would not leave us alone. 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:08.000 That and that's what's so ironic now that in the amicus brief in the Danny Masterson trial, they're claiming I won't leave them alone. 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.840 I'm like, oh isn't that sweet we couldn't get more further from the truth. 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:18.000 Yeah there were hate websites about us up for years. 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:33.119 They had they had that private investigator dude that would walk by our house every day at the same time in the afternoon when we lived in Burbank California while I was pregnant with our first son and they were doing the trash collections. 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:42.880 They were not only getting our phone records but also had detailed some summaries of every single person we'd called and what we talked about. 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:44.400 Yeah it was kind of crazy. 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:46.159 It was completely crazy. 00:41:46.559 --> 00:42:00.639 When we got those ironically we got them when Mike Rinder left yes not even right when he left years after he left I think he left in 2007 He did. 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.719 And we got those I want to say in like 2010 or something like that. 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:25.679 It was years and years later and it was simply just because he had a folder of a bunch of back and forth communications he was he was having but then he also had another folder and inside that folder was another folder and there were literally hundreds and hundreds of folders with hundreds and hundreds thousands of documents and he hadn't gone through every single one. 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:31.760 He just was like yeah it's a bunch of the he thought oh it's just a bunch of the dispatches that I typed up and sent to David Miscavige. 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:32.000 Yeah. 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.719 And then it turned out to just be an insane amount of stuff. 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.159 Well when he first left he turned that over to the FBI. 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:44.159 He did but we never really saw any of that and we knew he had it and we were just like whatever. 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:48.320 And then one day I said hey do you mind if I paw through this thing? 00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.960 And then I was like dude there's a lot of stuff in here that you didn't know was in here. 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:53.360 Yeah. 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:58.320 Um but regardless um I'm trying to remember what I was going to say. 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:11.679 Oh Scientology in that stuff they were doing things all those documents showed that they were doing tons of s crazy stuff to try and harass us that we didn't even know about. 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:12.559 Exactly. 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:19.360 So for us to then I think lit my book came out in we left in two January 2005. 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.960 Yep and my book came out November 2009. 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:24.719 November 5th 2009. 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.880 Yeah sorry we left January 2005. 00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:28.000 That's what you said. 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:32.400 Okay yeah and my book came out in November of 2009. 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:33.199 Yes. 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:50.400 Of course we I was posting on the interwebs on why we protest and Zenu and uh OCMB and X Scientology message board all these things that existed at the time but I didn't have a book come out until 2009. 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:51.039 Right. 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:59.360 During that entire four years they were busy busy bees trying to destroy us in every single capacity whatsoever. 00:43:59.599 --> 00:43:59.760 Yep. 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.440 And so it's kind of like it took you guys were messing with me for four years. 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.280 And I was like, there's I gotta tell everybody my side of this. 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:16.400 You guys are

and that's really why I wanted to put the book out was to say, no, no, this is what these guys do. 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.079 Who cares about me? 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:19.360 I'm just one guy. 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:19.760 Right. 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.880 This is a whole s situation here all over the world. 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.239 This is a world uh organizational system uh systemic abuse. 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.679 Yeah, this is thousands of people that are getting abused. 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:33.840 It's not my fault that that's happening. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.239 Right. 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.800 I'm just here by myself in Burbank. 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:49.760 Um just trying to raise our raise a family, got young kids, start from nothing, like build a life from absolutely nothing with zero credit, zero anything. 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.119 But also, we weren't out to do anything to them. 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:53.679 No. 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.519 We were just gonna go. 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.519 We wanted to leave and live our life. 00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:58.000 Yeah. 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:03.039 It was them basically poking us for four years straight. 00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:03.519 Yes. 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:07.039 That was like, you guys, this is crazy that you're doing this. 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:07.280 Yeah. 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:08.719 And I would say that. 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:14.960 I would say, if you have millions and millions of members, why would you give a shit about me and Claire? 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:15.440 Yes. 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:16.320 Who cares? 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.960 It's like a rounding error of members. 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:20.079 Exactly. 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:31.760 And speaking of which, there is no member of the C organization that breaks free whether they escape, whether they've gone through the torture of interrogations. 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:38.880 Not one single one of those people walks out the door and goes, I'm gonna get these guys. 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.119 It's not how it happens. 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:41.519 No. 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.000 That certainly was not our perspective. 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:51.280 But you're right, they kept poking and poking and poking and poking and would not leave us alone, no matter what we did. 00:45:51.440 --> 00:46:00.559 And I I I've said before, the moment child services showed up at our door with that bogus complaint was the moment for me that I was like, you know what? 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:09.760 Yes, I was born and raised in the C organization, and I was I suffered all kinds of trauma and abuse, and I'm uh scared shitless of these people. 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:10.559 But that's it. 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.119 You've crossed a line, game over. 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.599 I'm speaking out publicly, and I do not care anymore. 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.519 I'm done with this nonsense. 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:30.960 Yeah, I'm trying to think I want to say that that's probably a very similar situation to all the other people who have written books about Scientology. 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:42.719 If you think of the people, Mike Rinder, Amy Scobie, Jeff Hawkins, Chris Shelton, these people were basically harassed after they left. 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:57.599 Or they or they wanted to mess with them, or in the case of some of these new people that are coming out and writing books or whatever, they want to tell the story that happened happened to them in the location of Scientology that they were in. 00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:58.000 Right. 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:06.320 Because a lot of these, Amy, Jeff, and my book and Mike's book, those a lot of those take place at the international headquarters. 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:06.719 Yep. 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:11.199 So you can find out a lot about the international headquarters of Scientology. 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:24.800 If you're a Scientologist or an ex-scientologist that's watching this and you have questions that went on about what went on at the international headquarters, there's four books you can buy that will tell you pretty much the entire scene. 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:25.039 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:25.280 Yeah. 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:35.360 Which, by the way, speaking of which, somebody mentioned in the comments and I wanted to mention too, Marriott Lindstein also put out a her memoir on her years in Scientology. 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:41.440 Unfortunately, it's not in English, but she uh I messaged her about it saying, Oh, I just saw that this came out. 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.880 Turns out she released it in 2024 and I just didn't know. 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.880 That's not one of these uh the the Fog Island ones. 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.000 This is a totally separate. 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.280 This is actually a memoir of her life in Scientology. 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:53.840 Nice. 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:54.239 Yeah. 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:56.480 We should put a link to it. 00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.239 At least the Swedes can see it. 00:47:58.480 --> 00:47:58.719 Yep. 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.880 And and it's in two other languages, I think. 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:09.840 But yeah, she said um that because there are a lot of memoirs in English already that she doesn't think it's going to get translated. 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:15.360 But anyway, nonetheless, she has uh and yeah, anyway. 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.280 Okay, let's do the next question. 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:17.920 Okay. 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.480 What questions did you never dare ask while inside? 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:28.159 Well, we didn't ask I I mean I didn't ask any questions. 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.199 I knew uh I knew the score, I knew what time it was. 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:44.320 You that's the other kind of crazy thing about it is when you have to do something or when you're

punished or you know, it's usually it's usually a group thing. 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:49.840 Sometimes one person can get in trouble at the international headquarters. 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.000 That happens all the time. 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:58.320 But what happens even more than that is an entire group or division of an organization. 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:05.440 So like uh the whole entire time that I was at the international headquarters, I was in Golden Era Productions. 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:06.000 Yep. 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:14.159 And that has a it has the HCO, Hubbard Communications Office, which is kind of like the police and the administrative people of the organization. 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:27.119 Then it has dissemination, it has treasury, the accounts department, and then they have cinematography, audio, marketing, um what are some uh cinematography? 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:37.360 They have all these different estates, like a uh like a facilities organization that create build-s is the one that provides all the meals and all that does all the grounds management. 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:37.840 That's right. 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.440 They have services within them. 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:40.480 So food and services. 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:50.159 Provides the lodging for all the staff and so David Miscavige, if something happened like one time everybody got food poisoning. 00:49:50.400 --> 00:50:03.280 Um and so the the division or the service department that made all the food, the entire department got investigated and were on an extended schedule or you know, punished as a group. 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.239 And that was sort of like a weekly thing. 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:15.920 Uh the next month, the estate, entire state's division could be put on a punishment or some sort of penalties, or they were all in a lower condition. 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:27.280 And then sometimes you'd have you'd have four or five divisions that were in that, and then David Miscavige's say, no, the entire, all of Golden Era Productions is in lower conditions. 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:35.280 So you know, 15-minute meal breaks, um, extended schedules, uh, don't be late for muster. 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.360 If you're late for muster, you have to stay up all night. 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.639 If you're late a second time, you go to the rehabilitation project force is what's called the RPF. 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:51.039 So that you so it was never a time when everybody was doing awesome. 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:58.480 That time, that time never if you if your division was doing awesome, there was two other divisions that were sucking it hard. 00:50:58.639 --> 00:50:58.800 Yeah. 00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.639 And they were getting just ground into the ground. 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:09.760 And then when those divisions were sky high, your division was deep in the mud, and you were the one sucking it. 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.840 So it was like what question do you need to ask? 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.400 The question would be why is this place such a fucking nightmare? 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:20.719 Yeah. 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:26.320 But you know why it's a nightmare, because there's this one guy, and that's the other thing. 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:32.480 The the the head of Golden Era Productions could not assign Golden Era Productions lower conditions. 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:47.760 There's not even there's not enough facility or some way that that person could say, all of you guys are this is this is like a an edict that's coming down because David Miscavige personally runs that organization. 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:55.280 So if he thinks the audio guys are hot shit and now you've assigned them something, now you're you're kind of messing with him. 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:55.760 Yep. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:16.880 So the only reason that these divisions or the organizations, and there's other, there's like four or five other organizations at the international headquarters besides Golden Air Productions, but he's the only one who gets to say this organization or this division or all organizations on the international headquarters. 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:18.960 He's the only one who gets to say when that happens. 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:19.280 Yep. 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.400 And that he used that irregularly. 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:22.880 Yeah. 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:36.000 So I don't really think of a time where I where I personally had a question and it was I knew not to ask it. 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:36.239 Yeah. 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.880 When it w the you you learn. 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:39.440 Yeah. 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:40.559 There were many times. 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:48.719 You learn what not to do because you see the other person go, like, they say, Hey, you got into a car accident. 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:56.559 And so you get an interview on an e-meter, and they need to find out who the suppressive is in your life that you got into this car accident. 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.880 And Billy Bob Then you can't name a good hat. 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:08.320 Bill Billy Bob's on the e-meter, and the only person that's harassing him and making his life horrible is David Miscavige. 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:08.639 Right. 00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.599 And so he says, Who's suppressing me? 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:15.440 Uh yeah, David Miscavige is the guy who's suppressing me. 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.400 And then you don't see Billy Bob ever again after that. 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:18.639 Right. 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.960 And you know, there's the whisper web goes, like, oh, he said David Miscavige. 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.519 They call it your what is it? 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:26.079 Your who. 00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.599 Your your who or your item. 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.599 Yeah, your yeah, who your PTS to or yeah, who your PTS to. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:40.480 And so

you say David Miscavige, and uh people, there was multiple people that that did this over the years that I was at least I knew I could list off ten people. 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:41.119 Absolutely. 00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:51.920 At one point there was a project to go through everyone's folders to find out who had said David Miscavige was the suppressive person on their case, and all those people were carted out of there. 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.760 Anyway, so you hear about that through the Whisper Web. 00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:03.280 When somebody that's the other thing that I think might be different about the international headquarters, is Dave's doing so much crazy, crazy things. 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:03.679 Yeah. 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:09.920 And there's enough people around that are witnessing it, and some of those people aren't the most loyal. 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:10.400 No. 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:14.719 And so then they get in the back and they're like, Did you hear what this motherfucker did? 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.960 And then you're like, hey, dude, take an easy. 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:18.000 And I'm like, Jesus. 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:18.239 Yeah. 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:20.239 You're gonna get us all lit up here. 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:20.719 Yeah. 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:29.760 Um, so I don't think I'm trying I just don't think I ever you know not what not to ask. 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.559 So it's kind of funny if you say, Well, what question would you have asked? 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.880 You go, no, you you you know, you know why it's crazy. 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:38.079 Yes, you know, there's no question. 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.000 You just don't have an easy way out. 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:46.000 And you can't and you can't tell people, even if you think, oh, I'm having some major clarity right now. 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:47.519 This guy's a son of a bitch. 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:48.000 Right. 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.159 Like you and I never had that conversation. 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:51.039 Never once. 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:51.440 Never. 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.639 Never once. 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:52.960 Yeah. 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.639 In how many years were we there married when we were there? 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:57.519 13. 00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:02.320 Yeah, which is a it's a long time in the regular world, I think, for some people. 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.159 It's an eternity in the Sea Org. 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:04.639 It is. 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.880 And that's why we always say our marriage is a statistical anomaly. 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:09.360 Yeah. 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:14.639 So very few people whose marriage survived that that disaster and chaos. 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.400 And not because they don't like each other. 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:16.800 No. 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:21.360 Because one of them will get sent to the RPF and never come back to that organization again. 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:21.840 Yeah. 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:23.679 Okay, let's do the next question. 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:24.320 Yeah. 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.239 Um, and actually, I suggest that we just do we end here because we're already almost at an hour. 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.920 So let's do our questions and then we can do another round of this. 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.320 So for anyone watching, yeah. 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:41.679 If there are questions we didn't cover that you would like us to cover in a later episode, drop it in the comments. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.320 Perfect. 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:42.800 Yeah. 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:49.039 All right, Jacob Harkey, can you explain what postulating means in Scientology and what it looks like? 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:50.239 Is it like praying? 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.280 Do Scientologists postulate for their loved ones? 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.440 So it's basically just like manifesting. 00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:13.840 It's the same thing like the real so postulate is essentially, yeah, it's the the real world equivalent is manifesting, but it's like, oh, I'm going to postulate that I'm going to make$10,000 this next week, and then I'll be able to get on my next level of training or processing. 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:14.239 Yeah. 00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.280 It's, you know, it's just set it's setting a goal. 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:17.599 Yeah. 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.559 It's setting a goal or target in your mind. 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:21.360 That's all it is. 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:27.119 It's m if you say I mean it's kind of a weird thing. 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:36.800 But if you if you're just doing things and you're not thinking about anything, or you're not trying to go towards anything, you're probably just going to wander around and not get much done. 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:37.199 Right. 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:44.159 If you tell yourself, you know, we made$500,000 this year, I've got to make$750,000 next year. 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:44.400 Yep. 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:49.119 And that's you say, we're going to make seven$750,000 next year. 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.519 You're probably going to make more than if you didn't say that. 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.199 You might not make$750, but you might make$650. 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.840 Or you might make$200, but you're not going to make nothing. 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:17.679 And Scientologist The way Hubbard talks about Scientology is that if you do Scientology, this is a good point because people say, oh, they think it's going to give you superpowers. 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:28.239 In Scientology, you have these things called postulates, these targets or goals or or states you want to achieve or things you want to accomplish. 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:29.039 And L. 00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:43.840 Ron Hubbard says in Scientology, if you know everything about Scientology, you can remove all of the things that get in the

way of, and they say this in Scientology, in the way of making a postulate stick. 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.199 So Yeah, or work or yeah. 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:49.280 No, they call it making postulates stick. 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:49.840 Yep, yep. 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:57.199 So if you want to make$750,000 and there's 25 obstacles in front of you, L. 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.639 Ron Hubbard says, I can help you identify and get rid of those 25 obstacles. 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:04.639 And then you can do this. 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:05.119 Yes. 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:10.079 So there is a little bit of cheese in the trap. 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:15.039 And the reason there's that cheese in the trap is because otherwise there's nothing. 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:27.039 But the reason that cheese is in there is because if you can say, I'm going to make$10 million and then make$10 million, you can give eight of that to Scientology. 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:32.079 And that's why they want they Scientology aren't recruiting homeless people. 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.880 They're not recruiting people in food lines. 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:44.480 They're recruiting people that are dentists, chiropractors, business owners, uh investors. 00:58:46.079 --> 00:59:00.159 They're recruiting people that already have a ton of money, and they're telling those people listen, not only can I make you make 10 times what you're making, but I can connect you into a network of a ton of other millionaires in Scientology. 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:00.480 Right. 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:05.760 And even if you can't do it, you can help one of them do it, and then you'll make that money anyway. 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.079 So they that's sort of what postulates are. 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:16.400 I think this is a very in-depth answer for Jacob Hardy's Jacob Harkey's 499 super chat. 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:17.760 Thank you very much, Jacob. 00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:19.440 Yes, great question. 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:21.519 Excuse me. 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:28.960 I've got a little bit of like enlightening our weekend. 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:29.599 You're welcome. 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:30.719 Thanks for being here. 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:35.119 There was another really good question I saw that was uh good questions. 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:35.679 Okay. 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:42.079 In 1995, Code Monkey says, in 1995, I delivered media equipment to Golden Era Productions. 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:46.639 I remember being freaked out by the whole scene, and I wanted to leave as fast as possible. 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:48.320 Very dark aura. 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:51.599 I told the sales guy, I'm never going there again. 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.280 Yeah, we've heard from a few people like you, Code Monkey. 00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:56.159 You'd be surprised. 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:58.239 I have to tell the software story now. 00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:03.360 So there's a guy that sold software to the international headquarters. 01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:12.480 And this software was it was uh it's basically a visual effects software that helps you create things in 3D. 01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:13.280 Yep. 01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:19.199 And then sorry, to but to be clear, this guy was never in Scientology. 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:19.760 Oh, yeah, no. 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:20.159 He had nothing. 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:22.800 He just worked at the software company. 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:23.039 Yeah. 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:29.119 And he actually was a sales guy at this software company, I want to say, for decades. 01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:30.639 He was he was there. 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:35.360 He was an original kind of internet guy when the internet started. 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:40.480 He was he was he did he created some sort of graphics uh software system. 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:46.079 And then he sold that and then he became a a sales guy for software, for this big software company. 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:46.480 Yeah. 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.400 And he was one of their top sales guys. 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:48.639 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:49.199 He w was. 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.039 He was everybody in the entire film industry knew this guy. 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:57.679 If you were in the visual effects industry, you knew this guy, and you knew this company, and you knew this software. 01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:58.159 Yep. 01:00:58.480 --> 01:00:58.800 Okay. 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:03.679 So we had maybe a handful of copies of this software at the International Base. 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:13.920 And we would use it to create Scientology organizations in 3D, and then we would animate that 3D, and then we would shoot what's called a fly-through video. 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:20.000 And we would sort of um we would sort of make videos from these 3D files. 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:20.559 Yep. 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.199 Okay. 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.559 So then it became well, wait a minute. 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:34.000 If you guys are building the organizations, like the the landlord office is designing a building, and then we're taking the designs and we're making it in 3D. 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:41.440 And David Miscavige was like, you should make the landlord build the organizations in 3D, because they have all the plans and everything. 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:46.239 If they build it in this, they can use that for their plans and they can use it to build the building. 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.800 But then the visual effects guys already have the building. 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:50.639 They don't have to spend all this time making the buildings. 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:53.920 So that's the most time extensive part of this process. 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:54.639 Right. 01:01:55.280 --> 01:02:01.039 So he essentially ordered this is like on a probably like on a Friday morning or Thursday night. 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:02.960

Let's say Thursday night. 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:12.159 He says everyone in the int finance or the int landlord office that has anything to do with building new buildings, they need this software. 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:13.760 Software's not cheap. 01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.880 Software costs like$5,000 a copy. 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.760 You know, back back then that that's a that's a stack of dough. 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:22.079 Yep. 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.400 That's how much a Sea Org that's about how much a Sea Org could make in a year or two,$5,000. 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:28.800 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:30.880 It's more like three years, yeah. 01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:32.880 $2,000 a year is the most we ever heard. 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.840 Either way, it's a lot of dough to a Sea Org member. 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:36.400 Yeah, for sure. 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:41.679 Anyway, so the person who deals with this software guy is in Visual Effects. 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.960 And so they say, hey, give us this guy's number. 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:46.639 We need to get this. 01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:54.000 And the guy that's over the Int Landlord office is the international finance director, is one of the people who sort of runs that whole thing. 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:54.239 Right. 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.480 And he's the one who's writing checks as well. 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:57.039 Yep. 01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.559 And so and then maybe there's 30 people that need this software. 01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:00.880 Yeah. 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.039 So you're talking about$150,000. 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:03.920 Right. 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:04.559 Okay. 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:10.559 So they go to this software, they get a hold of the number from the visual effects department. 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.719 They say, hey, we need this software right now. 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:17.360 And the guy's like, well, um, we can work up a quote and maybe I get back to you on Monday. 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:19.519 They're like, no, no, no, we need it today. 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:21.039 Today. 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:24.159 And he's like, well, it doesn't really work like that. 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:26.000 We got to go through some things. 01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:33.519 And so he says, if we if we are if we deliver it the way you want it, it's actually$7,500 a copy. 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:38.320 And and I don't know if I'm going to be able to move on that price. 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:42.079 And the and the finance director is like, no way, we need it for less. 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.400 Uh there's no way we're paying$7,500. 01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.239 I think it was actually$10,000. 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.159 There's no way we're paying$10,000. 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:49.039 That's a joke. 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:50.559 The software costs$5,000. 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:55.599 It doesn't that it's just it's literally a C D or a download. 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:58.880 It's not there's no there's no cost at this point. 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.599 The cost was paid for years and years and years ago. 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:02.800 Okay. 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:05.039 I need the software. 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:06.480 I need 30 copies of this. 01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:08.960 And the guy says it's going to be 10,000, da da da da da. 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:12.239 He goes, We're not going to pay 10,000. 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.599 And then we need you we need you to give it to us as like a bulk rate. 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:17.360 And then the guy says, okay. 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:19.599 But then we have to get it to you as well. 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:20.960 And he says, okay. 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:24.000 Anyway, this guy basically negotiates. 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:31.039 I'll give it to you for 9,000 and I'll deliver all copies today, or to tonight, or tomorrow morning, or whatever. 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.199 However, the deadline was like, we need it today. 01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:34.079 Right. 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.800 So this guy double charges them for the software. 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:43.119 And then at the same time sells them 30 copies of it. 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.440 Because they have no clue about the real world or anything that's going on. 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.719 But also because And also they cannot say no. 01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:54.159 They cannot tell report back to David Miscavige, oh, it can't be done. 01:04:54.480 --> 01:05:04.320 Yeah, which is it's kind of crazy the way they play the game because David Miscavige sort of makes them tip their hand in a negotiation. 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:10.960 Because David Miscavige has set a hard out on when this has to happen, otherwise you're toast. 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:11.440 Yep. 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.440 And so as soon as you enter that into the equation, the other person has all the leverage. 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.000 They can say it's going to be$9,000 a copy. 01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:19.199 And I'll have it to you tonight. 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:20.079 You want it today? 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:20.559 That's the price. 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:21.360 That's the price. 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:22.239 And then you pay it. 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:26.000 And the crazy thing is now you could just probably go online and just download it. 01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:27.280 For sure. 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:29.840 But you couldn't do that back then. 01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.760 But um what was even the question? 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:34.960 Oh, it was the delivery. 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:35.599 The guy had it. 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:36.800 The comment was the delivery. 01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:38.159 Yes, from Code Monkey. 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:39.360 Thank you, Code Monkey. 01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:39.920 I appreciate it. 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.440 It's very generous of you for the super chat.

01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:41.840 Thank you. 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:42.239 Thank you. 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:42.559 Thank you. 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:42.800 Thank you. 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.079 Are there any other super chats that we uh or any other good questions? 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:47.599 There's a ton of great questions. 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:48.559 So let's go through those. 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:49.440 Hit them up. 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:50.000 Okay. 01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:51.039 Oh well hold on. 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.119 I wasn't ready for taking this over. 01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:53.679 So hold on. 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:54.320 Holy move. 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:55.039 I'll get there. 01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:55.920 Give me a minute. 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:57.119 Give me a minute. 01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:58.400 Here we go. 01:05:58.960 --> 01:05:59.440 Start. 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:02.880 All right. 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:04.000 I'm going to go back there. 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:04.880 Okay. 01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:05.840 A question for Mark. 01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:11.920 What is David Miscavige's favorite brand of hi-fi equipment? 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:13.599 You should know you built them. 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.800 I mean his private hi-fi, not those in the organizations. 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:17.840 Thanks, good fella. 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:19.440 That's a great question. 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:30.159 For years and years and years, not only did I build those systems, but I worked with the the the place that is in charge of his audiovisual equipment is called L. 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.880 Ron Hubbard's audiovisual. 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:33.840 That's what it's called. 01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.719 And for short, they call it RAV, R-A-V, Ron's Audiovisual. 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:47.440 And in RAV, they're always testing new cassette decks and CD players and speakers and amplifiers. 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.719 And also custom designing them themselves. 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:59.119 One of the the brands of things would change and kind of go back and f of course Nakamichi, because L. 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:07.760 Ron Hubbard talked about it, Nakamichi was a s a solid uh brand in the in the sort of mix of brands. 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:27.760 Um really uh they because L there was just a thing you could adjust on a Nakamichi that you couldn't adjust on other tape players easily, and that was the the head height and the azimuth that that actually the the the recording head that reads the signal how it's adjusted against the tape. 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:41.280 And because you could adjust that they had that in all of the audio facilities at Golden Era Productions, but then Nakamichi became the only brand of cassette deck that the organizations were allowed to have. 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:41.920 Right. 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:52.000 And for many years, when I was in the systems manufacturing area and working in the systems department, we would refurbish those cassette decks. 01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:58.480 We'd change the heads or we'd, you know, bring them in, test them, fix them up, re-silk screen, you know, a bunch of stuff like that. 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:08.960 And um But when Nagamichi started making cass uh CD players and and m later on, it was it just became like a cheap, cheap, oh cheap brand. 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.159 It wasn't there wasn't anything special about them. 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:17.840 Um some of the other brands were uh TDL, um Bryson. 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:22.239 We used to have Bryson amps in all Scientology organizations worldwide. 01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.880 They might even still have Brysons to this day. 01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:36.159 Um it's a very expensive microf uh amplifier, especially if you're gonna put them in 300 different organizations all over the world, in multiple rooms throughout throughout each organization. 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:36.479 Trevor Burrus, Jr. 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.159 What was the equipment that Miscavige had in his private listening room? 01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:47.279 In his listening room, he would kind of uh rotate whatever the the cool thing was. 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:56.399 So for a while he had Genilec speakers, which were these very, very expensive sort of high-end room speakers. 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:01.680 And these speakers, sometimes these speakers that David Miscavige had, they'd be six foot tall. 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:03.840 And they'd be three foot wide. 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.319 I mean, they would be but but thin. 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:08.640 Not not like a giant cabinet. 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:10.479 Sometimes there were cabinets. 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.439 Um I think there was another speaker brand. 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.600 Maybe it wasn't TDL, it was TDM. 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:16.720 I can't remember. 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:23.039 Um there was there were so many different what he basically had whatever was hot at the time. 01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:23.600 Yep. 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:25.760 And spared no expense. 01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:26.399 Yeah, exactly. 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:27.119 One listening room. 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:35.760 Price price was not not a one listening room setup or audio setup for David Miscavige could easily be over three hundred thousand. 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:36.880 One setup. 01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:41.039 Just the speakers and the amps, you know, could be$150,000. 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:44.640 So we go, another one. 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:52.800 Love Food Kitchen says surely the number one forbidden question in modern Scientology is who exactly is it that stands tall? 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.119 Because it's certainly not chairman of the board. 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:56.239 Well, there you go. 01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:58.960 Not quite sure what the question is there, but it's all good. 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:00.640 That's a we stand tall

joke. 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:01.039 Right. 01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:01.600 Yeah, yeah. 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:02.800 I know, I get that. 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:04.159 We stand tall. 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:05.199 It is also funny. 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.159 No turning back we'll find a way. 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:14.479 This could be this could be a I'm gonna take this this uh this could be that question yet. 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:15.199 Well, hold on. 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:22.159 This could be a clip because there's a very famous Scientology video, music video called We Stand Tall. 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:25.760 And in that video, David Miscavige is standing on an Apple box. 01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:26.560 I know. 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:28.960 Jackson commented on that in the chat. 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:29.439 He did. 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:31.600 Oh uh not this one, but we'll get to it. 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.600 Oh, uh yeah, there he is. 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:43.119 How about the loaded questions we were asked in AppleBox famously loaded survey one fine Saturday Renault's afternoon, but we got plenty answers that evening. 01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:47.680 I'm quite sure he's talking about the on-base, off-base survey. 01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:54.640 We were all surveyed on whether we wanted to live on the property or off the property. 01:10:55.119 --> 01:11:06.720 And it was a loaded question because if you answered on the property, you were in the clear, but a lot of people said they wanted to live off the property, and many of those people were punished for that answer. 01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:19.840 Yeah, the and the reason there's a there is a sort of a psychology behind that is because if you were at the property and David Miscavige called for you, then you could end up in a meeting with him for five hours. 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:23.840 And sometimes these meetings would get called late at night. 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:30.399 And but if you had already left to birthing, you've already what they called secured. 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:35.760 If you'd already secured for the night, then that was it was that was the end of it. 01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:37.359 It was like, hey, can you get Bob? 01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:38.960 He's like, Oh, he's already secured. 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.600 And and most people didn't have phones, so you couldn't just call them. 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:42.159 Right. 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:50.960 Okay, so if you're not there, then you don't have to be there and you don't get d r rounded up. 01:11:51.279 --> 01:12:00.399 Now on the rare occasion he would say, Hey, get Susie Sue and Billy Bob over here right now, and they'd go get you. 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:12.079 They'd just drive to your house or your apartment or wherever you lived in the town, or your birthing if it was down on Sublit Road, knock on the door, get dressed, you're coming in, and you'd be brought to him. 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:18.399 And you'd and then

you could be in the meeting for five hours, you could get chewed out in one second and then go back to post for the rest of the night. 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:19.199 Right. 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:25.279 But I think a lot of people thought, if we live here, well, that's the end. 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:35.359 You know, there's no that we at least have sort of a a uh there's the this this tiny bit of sanctuary that we have is seven hours away from behind. 01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:37.039 An illusion of freedom. 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:45.119 And the craziest part is that as part of that survey, people were asked, well, why do you want to live off base? 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:47.600 Or if it was why do you want to live on base? 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:54.640 Anyway, and a good portion of people said that they want they liked being able to go to Vaughn's. 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:55.039 Yeah. 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:56.800 So do you remember, David Miss? 01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:00.560 So there was the staff canteen at the at the base. 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:11.039 So as a you know, finger in the face to all the people that said Vaughn's, he had a Vaughn sign put on on the staff canteen. 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.199 And I think that he might have even had shopping cards brought there. 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.119 I can't remember if that was a good one. 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:19.920 I remember there was definitely the Vaughn sign was up for a while. 01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:26.239 Definitely a lot of supermarket uh accoutrements that were added to the canteen that didn't used to be there. 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:26.560 Yeah. 01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:36.399 And also, to be fair, they did actually start selling things that people were going to the grocery store, going to Walmart, or traveling into town to get. 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:36.880 Right. 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:40.000 They did start stuff like lady product, you know, feminine products. 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:41.279 And laundry detergent. 01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:45.520 Yeah, no, they they started selling the things that people legitimately marked up. 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:46.960 Oh, yeah, they weren't losing money. 01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:48.399 No, they were making money. 01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:50.800 That's another crazy thing about when you're in the Sea Orc. 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:52.720 You're only getting 46 bucks a week. 01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:53.039 Yeah. 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.399 But they're probably getting 40 of that, no problem. 01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:56.800 Yeah. 01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:10.319 It's going right back to them because you're buying Cokes and coffee and smokes and you know, some cappuccinos when they put in the fancy coffee maker at the I remember when it's like, a cappuccino is a dollar? 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.119 I mean, are they? 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:13.279 Oh, they were charging like three dollars. 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:17.680 I know, but at a certain point it got to be like, I didn't drink coffee when I was in the Sea Org. 01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:19.760 So I was sort of just like, whatever. 01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:21.039 Yeah, for sure. 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:22.720 Um okay, so here we go. 01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:23.279 Next question. 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:32.560 Leah Remini said Scientology requires two and a half hours a day of your time, but she didn't really say what you're doing daily as a public Scientologist. 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:33.600 Can you please explain? 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:33.920 Sure. 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:35.119 That's a great question. 01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:35.920 It is. 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:43.920 So in addition to the two and a half hours a day study, which uh has to total um twelve and a half hours per week. 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.000 That's just for that's for every Scientologist who's supposed to be doing this. 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:56.159 Yeah, because you're always supposed to be on some training course advancing in Scientology to be considered a Scientologist in good standing. 01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:07.680 In addition to that, um contributing uh in whatever other way, like many um higher-level Scientologists are a part of what's called the OT ambassador committees. 01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:17.840 So proselytizing Scientology to their local communities or but even if you're not doing a training thing, you could also be doing two and a half hours of counseling, of auditing. 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:18.640 Yes. 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:22.399 It didn't you didn't have to do two and a half hours of training and two and a half hours of counseling. 01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:22.800 No. 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:27.119 That two and a half hours w could be split between those two things. 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:40.000 And then if you were one of these OT good gadrillionaires that's OT eight and there's nothing left for you to do, at that point, that's how David Miscavige is like, these guys should be putting, still putting in their twelve and a half, what can I have them do? 01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:40.399 Yes. 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:41.840 So put them to work. 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:49.039 Yes and then they can be like, well, I don't have any course I don't have any more courses to train in Scientology or more any more counseling to get. 01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:58.079 So I'm gonna donate my time to round up other Scientologists or, you know, do one of these fake uh, you know, public relations kind of things. 01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:18.640 And in addition to the counseling or training, every civilian Scientologist is also given the role of a field staff member, which means that they are to recruit other people and sign them up for training and counseling for which they get uh paid a 15% field staff member commission. 01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:19.039 Yeah. 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:22.880 So there's financial motive motive uh motivation. 01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:28.399 I didn't think that that was a big deal

like job you could do, make any money on it. 01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:36.159 But then someone was telling me that um there's two actors that also worked in a lot of Scientology products when I was there. 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:38.880 We shot them for film projects. 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:40.640 But there was a guy named Michael D. 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:53.520 Roberts, who is famous for a movie called Space Pirates, and he's also the orderly in Rain Man who brings out uh Dustin Hoffman when uh uh what's his name? 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:54.720 Um Mr. 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.319 Risky Business goes to pick him up at the uh facility. 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:03.119 Um but anyway, him and another guy named Jeff Pomerance, and was it Jeff? 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.279 Yeah, Jeff, the guy who did the voiceovers. 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:05.760 Yep. 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:07.039 Join us now. 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:13.840 Um was also both of those actors were full-time field staff members. 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:14.239 Yes. 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:23.840 But they're getting people to pay for their entire Scientology bridge all the way up to OT eight, and maybe their wife and maybe a kid or two. 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:24.239 Yep. 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:27.279 And so you're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:27.600 Yep. 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:33.520 And if you're getting fifteen points on that, that's a that's a that's a pretty decent m amount of money. 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:34.159 For sure. 01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:36.880 And and I think they also did fundraising as well. 01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:43.199 I think they were kind of tasked to do fundraising and feel like FSM sort of activities. 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:49.680 Yeah, fundraising became a much bigger deal after we escaped, but it was still a thing when we were there too. 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:51.680 Okay, here's another great question. 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:58.319 Noah says, What was the most expensive present that Miscavige received from the forced contributions for his birthday? 01:17:58.479 --> 01:17:59.520 I know the answer to this one. 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:00.239 Okay, let's see. 01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:00.960 Oh well, hold on. 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.640 Okay, I'm wondering if we should make you write down the question. 01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:06.800 Um, we're gonna say it at the same time. 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:09.520 Okay, we'll go one, two, three, and say it. 01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:10.000 Okay. 01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:10.479 Okay. 01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.079 One, two, three, BMW. 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:23.600 He got a seven series BMW, brand spanking new, with all the bells and whistles. 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:24.159 Yep. 01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.760 Um ASI actually purchased it. 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:29.680 Author Services Inc. 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:32.319 staff um paid for that. 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:43.600 Like, like they actually got a specific bonus to them individually, all the ASI staff, that was the purchase price divided by the number of staff. 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.159 It was a math problem, and that's how they took care of it. 01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:46.800 Yeah, yeah. 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:51.119 They got the bonus because you've got to dig. 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:57.119 This guy's the head of this organization, and and they're a nonprofit. 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.119 He can't be getting BMWs. 01:18:59.359 --> 01:18:59.439 Right. 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:01.119 They gotta figure out a way to do this. 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.880 So has anyone uh or no enurement much? 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:05.439 Yeah. 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:16.880 So so what happened was a totally separate organization that he's not a part of gave their staff bonuses, those staff gave the money back and they purchased a BMW for him. 01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:17.279 Yep. 01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:22.640 And then that BMW was given to him as a gift from author services. 01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:25.439 So and I don't even think it was registered in his name. 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:26.239 It was not. 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:49.279 In fact, I had to interrogate Barbara Ruiz, who was the head of ASI when this happened, because the car was registered under author services, so the paper trail was really messy and you know, could be pinned down as anurement for which Barbara had to be interrogated as to whether she did that intentionally. 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:50.079 Yeah. 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:51.439 Crazy, crazy stuff. 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:52.479 Crazy, crazy. 01:19:52.800 --> 01:20:04.560 But he would also get$20,000 bikes, like these super like a a pedal bike, like a a bike, you know, when you see the guys on the roads in the in the outfits that are branded. 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:12.880 You know, these guys are these guys are dads in the middle of the neighborhood, and Billy Bob's got 27 brands. 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:14.560 No one's paying him to race. 01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:18.079 He's just driving down the side of the street, get getting in the way. 01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:23.840 Anyway, um he would get one of these bikes that those guys ride, an ultralight bike. 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:25.520 Like you could pick it up with your pinky. 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.279 That's how light the bike was. 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.079 And he had like three of those. 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:30.720 Yep. 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:32.880 And all the gear that goes along with that. 01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:33.760 Yep. 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:38.399 Um, okay, I think we've we've um yapped enough for today. 01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:45.520 We'll save any questions we missed for next round of this if we decide to do another one of these, part two. 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:48.800 Um, but yeah, we're almost at an hour and a half now. 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.640 So let's do our giveaway and let everyone get on with their Sundays. 01:20:52.960

--> 01:21:02.000 Okay, well, and we didn't say this at the beginning of the video, but if you have commented, you've already been and automatically been entered in to win. 01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:03.600 What are we giving away, Claire? 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:05.359 We're giving away a Davy doll. 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:06.319 Davy doll. 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:06.800 Okay. 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:12.159 So one of these little one of these little oh Jesus, you're wrecking the place, Davy. 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:13.680 One of these little guys here. 01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:15.199 Uh Skadoosh. 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:16.800 You could win one of these. 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:18.720 Those are great dog toy. 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:22.960 Uh they're great if you want to just put them in compromising positions. 01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.199 And also, what did they do in UK? 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.920 These things created Alarm and distress. 01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:28.720 Alarm and distress. 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.880 A protest at the uh with Aposte Alex at the um at St. 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:33.359 Hill. 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:38.239 If you're watching in England, this creates alarm and distress. 01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:39.119 Allegedly. 01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:39.439 No. 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:40.239 Allegedly. 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:41.439 Allegedly. 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:42.479 Okay. 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:51.359 Now I'm gonna say that every time I've seen this guy, I've not been alarmed and I've not been distressed. 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:53.680 There's he's actually kind of fun. 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:55.039 He's got Velcro. 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:57.039 He's at Velcro hands. 01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.960 Okay, so you can do you can do whatever you want with this guy. 01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:01.840 Okay, check. 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:06.319 You can you know, you can he can you could even use him for what's it called? 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:07.439 ASMR. 01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:09.119 You know what? 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:09.840 That's true. 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:10.720 ASMR. 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:11.520 Here, let's do it. 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:12.479 Let's do here. 01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:17.600 It's a little too loud. 01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:19.279 Anyway, no, that's perfect. 01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:20.640 ASMR is not quiet. 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:22.880 They're doing they're you're hearing it. 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.039 Somebody's got their headphones on, they're cranking it up. 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:26.960 Okay. 01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:27.600 Oh dear. 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:29.199 Um, so yeah, it's a Davy doll. 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:30.800 So let's flip over. 01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:32.239 Oh, sorry. 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.399 Uh Harvey Denton says, take him to the beach. 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:35.439 Dave on the wave. 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:36.800 Yes, there you go. 01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:41.600 Okay, we've got to switch this to you, and then

we've got to go over here. 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:43.279 It works perfectly. 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:44.159 Yay. 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.640 Okay, so I gotta go over here. 01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:50.239 Um 68 people have commented. 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:50.720 Yep. 01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:52.159 So we're doing it. 01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:53.279 So we're doing it. 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:54.880 Um and this is random. 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:56.239 It's I've got to say this. 01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:57.600 It's not rigged. 01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.840 This is a StreamYard, the platform that we can. 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.199 If Mark or I win, it's only because we commented in the chat. 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:03.840 That's it. 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:05.199 It's just picking somebody randomly. 01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:09.920 It doesn't know anybody is more it doesn't actually, it doesn't know who's doing the channel. 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:11.199 It just knows who's commenting. 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:14.560 And it has no impact, the number of comments that you have. 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:15.359 That's true. 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:21.279 It just picks it just takes everybody who's commented and puts them on a list and then puts them in a bucket and picks one out randomly. 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:22.880 So we're gonna do this. 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:23.760 Yep. 01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:28.880 It's pretty decent size the way I did it this week. 01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:34.880 Uh uh, uh, Brian was so pretty good. 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:37.039 There you go, Hug. 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:38.079 Congratulations. 01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:41.119 I want to say that was a person who did one of those questions. 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:42.399 It was a good question. 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:43.439 It was a great question. 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:43.920 Yep. 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:45.359 So congratulations. 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:58.239 Send me an email, Claire at blumforgood.com with your address, and we will get David doll, Dave on a wave, Dave on a wave, uh, Leprechaun Davy, fake Navy Davy. 01:23:58.319 --> 01:23:59.199 I think that's my favorite one. 01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:00.560 Fake Navy Davy sent off. 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:02.399 Captain Whack from TG Ac. 01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:03.359 Yes, a good one. 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:04.319 Yeah, that was a good one. 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:11.600 Oh, by the way, we haven't said anything about Zenu and the body thetans in this whole episode, and I just want to put out a plug for them. 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:14.960 Uh I do we have some new merch coming? 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:18.399 One of these years that you guys are gonna take to do this? 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:20.800 Yes, it's we'll be coming next week. 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:21.279 Okay. 01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:25.680 And at least we'll be back with our regularly scheduled programming for a while. 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:29.199 So if you're here, if you haven't subscribed, please

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01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:29.840 I do I watch YouTube, but I don't really the channels I watch don't really push this hype button. 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:30.000 Yeah. 01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:34.159 But every once in a while I'll watch a channel and they say hit the hype button. 01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:34.720 Yes. 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:36.000 So we I know. 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:43.039 I and I saw they gave us that last week I noticed that we had hype uh creator credits. 01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:46.880 So if we want to promote one of our videos, we can hype it. 01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:48.239 So I think it is still a thing. 01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:55.359 I'm just out of the loop because we just sit here and and yap and we really don't uh we're not boomers, but we're Gen X. 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:56.000 Okay. 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.359 So we we know our way around. 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.239 Computers were invented while we were kids, okay? 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:07.760 The Inter Web Internet in our 20s is when the internet was starting to take traction. 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:10.000 So we know a few things. 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:12.640 We also don't know a lot of things. 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.399 Yeah, my my our kids help me out a bunch. 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:19.680 Like because Mark is not the most patient person in the world. 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:22.800 So if my printer was broken this morning, for example. 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:29.039 I am closer to the least patient as uh uh to the What is it that you always say? 01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:36.000 No, no, what was the thing that Leah I said to Leah, uh, yeah, that's why I'm not a doctor, because I'm not good with patients. 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:39.760 And she said, that's why that's why you're not a doctor. 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.520 How about the fact that you didn't even finish middle school, you maniac? 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:46.079 Oh my goodness. 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:47.680 Yeah, that was funny. 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:49.119 Yeah, that's the reason. 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:49.920 Yeah, arcade. 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:51.039 You picked not to be a doctor. 01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.000 My oldest son helped me fix my printer this morning. 01:26:54.159 --> 01:27:05.600 And he has the the skill that you have, where he walks in and I I haven't been able to, no matter what I did, I could not get my printer to show back up, you know, to connect to my computer. 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:08.640 He walks in and it's like, boom, it's right there. 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:09.359 I'm like, what? 01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:11.199 You didn't even touch anything yet. 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:16.239 Yeah, that is when you have reached that's it's basically like a tech Jedi. 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.880 When you've reached just you touching the machine makes it work again. 01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:21.439 Yep. 01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:26.159 That's kind of that's I definitely live in that realm. 01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:32.640 I don't always have my Jedi powers with me, but most of the time we're within five minutes, we're up and running. 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:33.520 Yep, yep. 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:34.079 Okay. 01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:35.039 Thank you. 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:36.880 Alrighty, awesome folks. 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:38.399 Well, we made it to the very end. 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:39.920 Thanks for joining us again. 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:45.279 Just a reminder if there's questions we missed, we'll snatch those from the chat. 01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:56.560 And if there's other questions for the rewatch crew that you would like us to cover in a future episode, part two of Forbidden Questions, then drop it in the comments and we will keep track of that. 01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:57.439 There you go. 01:27:57.760 --> 01:27:58.720 We made it till the end. 01:27:59.199 --> 01:27:59.680 Thank you guys. 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:01.680 This is where I push buttons and we go. 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:03.199 Thanks for watching. 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:08.319 If you'd like to help support the channel, feel free to check out the merch store link in the description. 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:20.800 We have Hail Xenu, Xenu is my homeboy and BFG branded mouse pads, shirts, mugs, all sorts of other stuff in there that helps us to bring you new content on a regular basis. 01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:30.720 You can also pick up a copy of my book, Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology in hardback, Kindle, and Audible versions as well. 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:38.159 There's also a link to our podcast, and you can get that on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:47.920 And if you'd like to watch another video, you can click on this link right here, or you could click on this one here, or you can click on the subscribe button right here. 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:50.479 Thanks a lot, until next time.