บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ When Men Misunderstand Pilates | Tim Gough

00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.159 Here I am in my office, coming up with these episodes every week. 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.240 All right, that's enough from me rattling on. 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.759 Let's dive into today's conversation with Tim. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.680 Tim, thank you so much for joining me on Beyond the Reformer today. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.959 Hi Nick, it is a genuine pleasure to be here. 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.399 First ever podcast. 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:19.120 I love it. 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:25.439 And if if you're watching on YouTube, your beautiful studio is behind you, and uh you'll be able to see it if you're watching the video. 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:31.680 And we were going to talk a lot about your studio, but I wanted to kind of just kind of get straight into it, really. 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:39.199 You were 30 years in the Special Forces, and you know, when we think of special forces, we think of all the fitness training that you do. 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:50.800 But when you then looked at Pilates, and we'll look at how you got into Pilates, but when you looked at Pilates, Tim, did Pilates teach you something different about strength and about movement than all those years of fitness training? 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:52.319 Yeah, I think it did. 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.480 It's it's a lot more controlled when you do your practice doing Pilates. 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.560 There's a lot of crossover actually from my previous career to where I am now. 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:12.000 Before I was I was 12 years in the Marines and then 18 years in in the special boat service, and you're full throttle the whole time, physically, mentally, doesn't matter what you're doing, training, operations, etc. 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.720 You have to control that to a certain extent, but a lot of it's aggression that gets you through. 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:24.480 To come into a studio and actually practice my own Pilates, it has been it's been eye-opening to what I can do, and I have the control there as well. 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:31.199 Mind, body, spirit was something that Joseph Pilates said, and I didn't really cue into that until I started doing the Pilates. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.120 But again, crossover. 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.600 That thread goes all the way back through my entire career. 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.639 You haven't got the mind, body, and the spirit, you're not gonna do it. 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:39.759 It's as simple as that. 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:43.439 So it's been eye-opening, the journey to get here, and it's a journey, right? 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.519 It's it's never ending, which is what what I think I like about it as well. 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.319 You're always striving for that next, you know, the next next big thing. 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:51.199 Me too. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.040 I love the fact you don't just know it all. 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.839 You

know, we're I mean, it's why we spend a fortune on C and D. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:56.800 We're always learning. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:02.319 So tell me, Tim, how did Pilates then come into your life and you know get you to where you are today? 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.480 So my wife, Millie, she started doing Pilates a long time ago. 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.120 She then got cancer in her knee, quite a rare form. 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:15.199 Had a couple of operations to take it away, and then used Pilates as part of a rehab so she could bend her knee again. 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:16.720 So I watched her go through that. 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:21.360 She then trained as an instructor, and I was away at the time for a six-month tour. 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.160 And where I was, you were either working or you were sleeping. 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.720 There wasn't much anything else you could do where we were. 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.319 So your physical exercise took a back seat because you couldn't do it. 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.079 We Skyped most nights, and she said one day, do you want to do some matte pilates with me? 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:35.199 And I was like, Yeah, go on in. 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:36.160 It's better than that. 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:36.879 That sounds great. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:38.079 Better than do nothing. 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:45.439 So I screencast I went to a big TV, and the best point for the Wi-Fi in the whole area was right in the middle of the corridor between the rooms. 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.560 So it's massive TV, Minnie's massive face on the screen, taking me through a Matte Pilate session. 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:56.720 After about a week, some of the guys walked past and um they sort of stopped mid-was mid-flow and they said, Uh, what are you doing? 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.160 I said, I'm doing Matt Pilates with my wife, who's the instructor. 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.959 And they sort of looked at each other a bit sheepish, and then one of them said, Um, can we join in? 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.040 I was like, Yeah, full of your poops, of course you can. 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:08.240 Grab a mat, we'll go for it. 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.480 Millie, this is so-and-so, so-and-so, and so-and-so. 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.839 And after about uh two weeks of doing that, I then got us a room. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:19.680 We had a dedicated Pilates sort of studio where we were, and Millie would take us through a session most nights. 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:28.160 And the best thing about that story is one of my friends, he was shot a couple of times when he was away previously, and he had a bad hip, bad back because of his injuries. 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:29.360 Didn't tell us about it at all. 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:30.480 I didn't know about it either. 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:37.120 After about six weeks of doing the Matt Pilates with Millie, he said uh he'd get up in the morning and he danced around his room, whereas before he got like an old man. 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:46.399 And he said, If that that for me was the impact that Pilates has on people's lives, and that really sparked my interest in how how how we could use this um in our day-to-day. 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:47.360 It's so interesting. 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:56.160 So, in a pre in a previous life, I was an Air Force girlfriend, and uh when I was training, I used to train my boyfriend, like lots of the friends, you know, they got interested in it. 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.000 You know, the guys were like, Can I come and do it? 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:09.360 And it was it was really interesting because you'd see them going through all their fitness drills, which is so different though, very much like you said, like lots of momentum kind of carrying them through. 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:19.759 And then they would find it so humbling to, in a good way, though, and we'll talk about this, like, because I think there is something out there about let's make Pilates really hard for men, and let's discuss that in in in a moment. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:33.279 But you know, for you, and I I always think the same is that isn't it amazing that you can have the tiniest amount of space and you can do a movement practice and you can bring Matt Pilates anywhere, so I love Matt. 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:34.879 But how was it for you? 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.000 Like, yes, it got your body moving, but did it do more of that? 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.799 I mean, you're in a very high pressure situation over there. 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:42.080 Did it help you? 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.639 Did you kind of notice other changes beyond the physical? 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.519 Yeah, I did, yeah, because you've got that mind-body connection. 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.120 It was just it was an hour of Tim Tha how I used to say it. 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.399 It it was it was an hour with my wife, which I loved anyway, it was great. 00:08:54.639 --> 00:09:00.639 But she was taking me through some something which took my mind off of the here and now, all the pressures, the danger that's in the area. 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:06.000 You just sort of leave it behind, you go into your into your practice, and then you zone in on practicing what you're doing. 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.200 And it's it's probably as close to meditation as ever I've ever come. 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:16.320 Just concentrating on doing one thing, fighting gravity the whole time, and she's a cruel mistress, uh, but you're concentrating on doing that with your body. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:17.600 So it just focuses you. 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:22.799 And I've I found that really sort of I'm not spiritual at all, but really uplifting. 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:27.039 So I finished my practice hour with Millie and thinking, I feel on top of the world right now. 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.919 I feel taller, which is nice anyway,

because I'm only five foot eight. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.279 So to feel tall is a good thing. 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.799 And I feel on top of the world, right, back to work, what's coming next type thing. 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:35.519 So yeah, definitely. 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.039 Yeah, it wasn't just the physical aspect of it, it's certainly the mental side of it as well. 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:44.159 And we see that in the studio, people come in and they say, right, this is my 50 minutes, it's for me. 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.799 I'm gonna walk off and then go back to the real world. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:48.320 But this 50 minutes is just for me. 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.240 And it's I think it's a nice thing to do. 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.240 And I think for me, that was similar. 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.159 It was such an important part of this. 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.240 It was the thing that slowed me down. 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.799 I did feel like it was meditation. 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.360 I always think if you're a really busy person, it's like meditation, mindfulness. 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:06.960 Yes, it's strength and toning, but also, you know, rehab benefits as well. 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:10.320 This is a damn good use of an hour if you're really time poor. 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:22.000 But it's really interesting to see, and it's interesting to see how that story of, you know, you were doing it in the corridor because that was the best Wi-Fi you could get, and suddenly people watch it and then they're like, oh, actually, what you know, and did they did those guys enjoy it? 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:28.159 You know, the you had you told about the guy who obviously he's like you know, he felt so much better, but the other guys as well, they obviously wanted to come back and do it again. 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.000 Well, everyone came back every day, and so yeah, they've got a lot of enjoyed it. 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:34.159 I don't think it was because there was a lack of anything else to do. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:35.679 I think it's because they actually enjoyed it. 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:41.600 Um and then the word spread really quickly around the around the whole bunch of guys I was with uh that hey, Tim's doing Pilates with his wife. 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.279 And you're gonna get people that's gonna go, oh, that's not for me, it's just a bit of stretching. 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:51.039 And that's just an education thing on on us as instructors and people who are passionate about Pilates, say it's not. 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:52.000 Come and have a go. 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:53.919 I'll take you through it and show you what it's actually all about. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.759 But yeah, to answer your question, the guys loved it. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:56.799 Absolutely lapped it up. 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:57.279 It was great. 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:02.240 And when you wrote to me, Tim, you said,

you know, I'm on a bit of a mission to get more men to do Pilates. 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.840 And I do think that's such an interesting thing because it's so interesting that it's created by a guy. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.000 Sometimes you say that to guys like, is it? 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:16.240 And yet this is a very female-dominated space, both from uh the instructors that are out there, but definitely from a studio perspective. 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.799 Why do you think that men aren't coming to Pilates? 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:30.480 I think that it's that gender stereotype that you have to dress a certain way in your matching set, drink matchilates, and go in and it's all it's all females. 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:32.879 And some guys don't like training with females, and I get that. 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:33.600 I understand that. 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.480 I don't simp I don't um empathize with that, but I sympathize with it. 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.720 Some people don't like to be shown up, and then that's fine. 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:44.720 We can offer all male classes, but it's breaking down that um that gender stereotype that it is just for females. 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.039 Look, it was invented by a bloke, four blokes. 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:52.000 It's just that women are quick enough and clever enough to think this is great, and blokes are a bit slower on the uptake. 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:57.360 We're starting to see it creep into Premier League football, NFL, a big into it as well. 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:59.919 So it's coming, but it's really, really slow. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:05.279 And it's something that I'm quite passionate about to break down that wall and say to some of the guys, hey, come and have a go. 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.000 It's really good as an addition to your regular training. 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:15.600 I mean, I lift, I climb, mountaineer, do marathons, but I still do Pilates as part of my practice as well. 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:17.200 And I think it's a sweet spot. 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.320 It really, it really does help you out in prehab and rehab as well. 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:22.639 I always think it's really interesting, Tim. 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:23.600 I'd love your thought on this. 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:33.840 So what I typically tend to see in the desire to promote Pilates to men is groups of men, usually on reformers, they can't do it. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.279 They think it's, you know, they're finding it hard because they can't do it. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.279 And it's one of my bugbears generally in life. 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.559 Like, if you can't do it, I'm not doing a great job as a teacher. 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:43.200 Exactly. 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.120 Do you think that that's what guys want? 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:46.159 They're desperate. 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:57.279 Because it feels like there's a feeling out there that it's trying to be

promoted in a similar way to maybe like what gym is or Hyrox is or things like that that tend to be quite male-dominated spaces. 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:04.879 And it feels like there's a sense of marketing for men that is let's show how hard it is, and that's what will get people in. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.440 Is that do you see that working, or do you see that they just need to understand it more? 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:11.279 I think it's probably a mix between the two. 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.559 So if you say your average guy who goes to the gym and lifts, he does that because it's hard and it hurts his muscles to do that. 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.440 So you obviously change your muscle groups throughout your week routine to not train the same muscle groups every day. 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.639 And guys like doing hard things. 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.039 So uh it's probably a mix between the two. 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:32.320 The message needs to change that it is for both genders, it's not gender for gender specific at all. 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.799 I don't think we should go down the route of saying, look, this is super ninja hard, come and give it a go. 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:45.120 And you see the Instagram reels, which I love, of like Aussie Rules football teams going onto um a reformer and getting absolutely smashed by an instructor and they can't do it. 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:46.799 They're like shaking dogs all over the place. 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:51.120 And I thought A, it's funny, but B, it puts out there, look, this isn't easy. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:52.559 You've got to have the technique properly. 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.600 And you're right, if you're your people can't do it, as instructor, you've probably gone wrong somewhere, you've pitched it too high. 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:01.279 So rein it back in and start baby steps, go from there. 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:06.159 And I think as soon as people start queuing onto fat, this is really good for you, it'll become bigger and bigger and bigger. 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:11.039 So I think the message you needs to change that yeah, it's hard, but it doesn't start off that way. 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.000 And it's so unbelievably good for your entire body, and a bit of mindfulness chucked in there as well. 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:26.879 And often I think, Tim, that it Pilates is hard in a different way to what the gym is hard, or Hyrox is hard, or HIT is hard, or running a marathon is hard. 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:35.360 Like it's got a subtlety to it, and most of us find the subtlety quite hard, the slowing down quite hard, the being connected, the feeling, the noticing. 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:36.879 Like that in itself is hard. 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:42.480 But that's not very Instagrammable because usually people look quite meditative and like they're really concentrating. 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:50.559 I always joke to my new graduate teachers, like the resting Pilates face looks quite grumpy because we're so concentrating. 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.159 We don't look very happy at all. 00:14:52.399 --> 00:15:03.919 And so I sometimes wonder like, then is there a mismatch between because don't get me wrong, I could absolutely take a group of any gender and give them lunges and planks and you know, heavy, heavy, stronger things. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.360 And that exists on the reformer and on all the other pieces of equipment as well. 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.720 But then often they come to class and it's you're a beginner. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:16.159 So, you know, you might be, you know, I've worked with top-level athletes that I know you have as well. 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:22.559 And even though they're, you know, the world number one at their sport, they're a beginner at this, so they kind of have to look at the beginner stuff. 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:29.360 And so sometimes I think, you know, is there a mismatch in that it's this big hard shake, can't do it? 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:33.519 And then you come in and you're kind of potentially met with the subtlety of Pilates. 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:35.120 And is there a mismatch there? 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:41.759 Or should we be giving those bigger type of moves earlier on if we're teaching a male population? 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.159 I think that's uh that that's the messaging thing, and maybe an education piece as well. 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.799 Because answer your last questions first. 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.320 I don't think we should be chucking people in a deep end and getting them to do control front straight away. 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.240 I don't think that that has to weigh ahead at all. 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:55.519 You end up hurting people. 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:03.919 There needs to be that baseline of your understanding of the repertoire and understanding the muscle groups you're gonna use and then the breathing as well, which is so important, in it. 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:08.559 So as long as the education is there to say, hey, come on in, it's gonna start fairly easy. 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:22.639 We'll make you shake because we can, but we're gonna teach you and teach you and teach you, and then all of a sudden you get it's gonna it's it's gonna it's gonna click, and then we can start pushing the repertoire going into the advanced, going upper intermediate into the advanced. 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:24.240 Um so I think it's an education thing. 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:32.720 But no, I don't think we should be bringing people in and say, right, I'm gonna make you shake like a dog for 50 minutes, you're gonna hate every second, sweat's gonna be everywhere, and then come back and do it again. 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.639 Because I don't think people come back if I'm honest. 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:41.759 No, I don't think they do, and I don't think we're doing our jobs right because I think the the method that exists

in Pilates works for a reason. 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:46.879 And and I think, and it's lovely to hear you do too, because I'm always like, have I got this wrong when it comes to male clients? 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:50.240 You know, that actually the method doesn't really change. 00:16:50.399 --> 00:17:06.720 But I do think your point that you made earlier about sometimes men don't like being in female spaces, and I personally don't know if it's the female space or it's the fact that usually the females are much better than them, maybe because they've been doing it longer, and so they don't like they're like, why is this so hard? 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.039 Everyone else seems to be able to do it. 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:14.000 And I think about back in the day when we had female sections of gyms, and that's gone now, hasn't it? 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:15.039 Where we're all kind of together. 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:22.480 But I, you know, you have created some men-only classes, and has that felt like a really nice space to bring some guys in. 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:30.079 Yeah, we started doing a class called Broforma, great name, and it lasted for about a month, I suppose. 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.880 And then the guys who trained with me came into the mixed classes, which was I was all for it. 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:40.319 I was happy to drop bro forma and just teach regular classes of mixed, and it didn't bother me in the slightest. 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:46.880 Those people that did that, I think, were a bit broader-minded, and they said, Look, this lady next to me is better than me, but I'm gonna learn from her. 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:51.200 I can watch her while I'm doing my own practice, listen to the instructor as well, and I'm gonna get that good as well. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.359 It's that growth mindset, I think, that that sort of stands that person apart. 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:00.079 How we conquer mankind in one go, I I honestly don't know. 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:01.599 I'm not sure what the answer is for that one. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:03.680 Certainly, like I said, the education thing. 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.759 And I I can't I can't imagine a gym having two sections. 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:09.680 To me, that that just blows my mind completely. 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:10.640 I don't understand it. 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:11.519 I don't get it. 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.039 I get why guys don't want to train with females because you might get shown up. 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.319 I can like I say, I understand that, I don't, but that's not me. 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:24.559 There's a little bit of humbleness on the individual, I think, in order to come in and accept you're not gonna be the best in the class. 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:29.920 And that's why we actually did we at the end of August, we always do a bring a friend week. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.920 It's a referral week, it's a way of us driving. 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.559 And you know, the members love it, they get to bring people. 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.839 If I'm honest, we don't tend to convert very well out of it. 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.720 So anyway, this year we thought, let's do a bring a man to Pilates. 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.039 It's funny that you then wrote to me afterwards. 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:50.720 Um, because I some of the male clients that we have are the loveliest guys. 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.119 They are so fun to be around. 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.440 They love the detail of this work. 00:18:55.519 --> 00:19:08.480 They're some of our most loyal members, our biggest spending members, but all apart, I think one, all of the rest of them, and there's a lot, they were all brought by their wife, girlfriend, sister, slash dragged, if I'm honest. 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.559 So we kind of did it as a bit of a tongue in cheek, and we were like, I wonder like how this would work. 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.400 Well, 84 came, 84, and quite a few have signed up. 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:25.440 And it was really interesting to kind of think about how we do that, but also think about to your point earlier about how do we market it, how do we educate? 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:29.279 And I think part of it is around the aesthetics of your studio as well. 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:34.160 And like we, when we do photo shoots now, we're always saying we need a man in the shoe. 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.400 I mean, it's easier for you because you know, you're there, aren't you? 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:37.920 You can be in the shoe, I guess. 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:42.240 But you know, for us, we are a we've got one male instructor, which is an interesting thing. 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.079 You know, there's there's not many around. 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:49.440 So, you know, thinking about how you can even in your photography see that because you're right. 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:54.319 I was at the gym this morning, and it was pretty much nearly all women there actually at that time of day. 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:57.759 And I've been there other times where it's, you know, a mix, and it's lovely. 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.640 I really enjoy it. 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:07.920 I can't imagine there being separate spaces, but of course there was for a while, wasn't there, where it was felt that women didn't feel like they would feel self-conscious, I guess, in the weight section of the gym. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:09.119 So they had their own section. 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:13.039 And I suppose we've we're kind of going through a similar space, maybe in that now. 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:19.519 And it's about how do we, as you said, get those men into the mixed ability, into the mixed gender classes as such. 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:26.319 I think that's the interesting point about um having those um those those separate gyms, male and female, because females didn't feel comfortable. 00:20:26.559 -->

00:20:29.279 It's maybe putting that same analogy onto Pilates. 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.640 Get guys in, make me feel comfortable, and then it becomes the norm. 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.119 It becomes norm for people to say um down the pub, yeah, I've been to Pilates for an hour, absolutely brilliant, loved it. 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:39.599 Got smashed, sweated, shit like a dog. 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:40.240 It was great. 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.319 And then that that word then spreads, doesn't it? 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:43.440 And it becomes normal. 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:52.240 And what was really interesting about our bringing man to Pilates is I had so many conversations with our male clients coming up to me in the corridor, being like, Nick, I'm so excited. 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:53.519 I've got all these guys I'm gonna bring. 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.799 You know, they were really excited, as you said, to ask other people to come. 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:13.200 And it got me thinking, actually, from what you've said, is I wonder if it's not about like you have a permanent men-only class every week, but maybe every now and again you run a workshop or a three-week or six-week block of them just to kind of encourage them to come in. 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:15.039 Because it's true, isn't it? 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:23.680 We if you feel uncomfortable in any situation, that's any of us, it's harder maybe to really feel and see what something is about, whatever that might be. 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:34.880 So I think if you just kind of get rid of some of that and you accept that I always think it's interesting how any new client coming into your studio, Tim, you forget how nervous they are. 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:36.960 Male, female, any age, right? 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:42.400 You forget until maybe you go and do something new and you turn up and you're like, where is this? 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:43.440 How where do I go? 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:44.480 Where's the front door? 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:45.519 What do I wear? 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:46.400 All those things. 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.480 And of course, with the gender thing, I guess you've just got that on top of like, am I gonna feel uncomfortable? 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:51.680 Am I gonna be rubbish? 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:59.759 Whereas at least if they look around the room and everyone else is a little bit stiff and tight in certain areas, then you know, off they go and you kind of realize, oh, I'm okay actually. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.799 Actually, this is it. 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:05.039 So that's kind of a nice idea, actually, maybe to think about that might be how you do it. 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:05.759 I like it. 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.920 I think it's an important part of our job as an instructor. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:17.200 You're obviously the instructor to take the class, but the one of my most important things that I do is make fit people feel comfortable and

welcome, which is why we designed our studios like they are. 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:18.640 They're not all neutral colours. 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:20.319 You don't have to have a matching set to come in. 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.720 Come in as you are, and we'll meet you where you are. 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.599 That that's our mantra of how we do things at Vagabond. 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:26.720 And it's worked really well. 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:34.319 And what's heartbreaking is you get a message sometimes from a from a curvier lady saying, um, is there a weight limit on the reformers? 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:39.680 And that genuinely breaks my heart that people think they're too big to come and train with us. 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:41.920 So we write back straight away, no, don't worry about it. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:42.480 Come on in. 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.279 We will absolutely meet you where you are and get to your goals. 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.400 And I found that heartbreaking. 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.200 You could probably put that analogy on on males as well. 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.799 Get a message from a male, I'm really nervous about doing this because I won't be any good at it. 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:54.480 Don't worry, mate, I got you. 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:55.680 Doesn't matter at all. 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.720 I started off, I was like a pretzer when I first got on the reformer. 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.920 You should see me doing mat palates, pretty useless. 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:12.960 But you go through that journey of becoming good at something, then you want to instruct it, and it's it's that never-ending um striving for excellence that fires me to do it. 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:18.480 It's just firing out other people, I think, as well, and getting them on board and saying, look, come and have a go, you'll be good one day. 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.319 And clients love hearing those stories that you've gone, you know, you've been on your own journey. 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.240 I think sometimes we're so many years down the line, we forget what what our story was like at the beginning. 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:28.480 I was absolutely useless at this when I started. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:28.880 Of course. 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.279 You know, and I as I say to my kids all the time, of course you're not good at this. 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:34.720 You've never learnt yet. 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:38.400 And Pilates, tennis, you know, it doesn't matter what it is. 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:39.119 It's the same. 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.240 I don't, I can't just suddenly put on a pair of skis and I can ski. 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:43.519 I've got to learn to ski. 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.599 And I think Pilates is a skill, isn't it? 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.119 It's kind of it's more than just coming in and being like, well, I'm not fit. 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:55.279 It's got lots of movement patterns in there that, you know, your body might not be used to anymore. 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:57.599 So you've got to come in and have that. 00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.920 And it's it's that it's a how do we make them feel welcome? 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.599 Who, you know, male, female, old, young, big, small, whatever. 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.160 Because what you said, I hear those stories as well. 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.599 And it's awful. 00:25:52.080 --> 00:25:56.560 It's a nice thing that I can do, and Millie and Molly do as well, is to write back and say, what? 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.080 Don't worry, come on in. 00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:59.279 That's a nice thing we can do. 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.040 You if you feel good about doing that. 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:07.120 Yeah, but I don't know how to get more blokes into Pilates. 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:09.360 I mean, I'm about as alpha male as it gets. 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.120 I come from 30 years in special forces. 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:12.720 It doesn't come much better than that. 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:14.800 People will disagree with that, but I don't think it does. 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.440 And I now teach Pilates and I absolutely see the benefits. 00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:18.960 I wish I started earlier. 00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:23.600 I wish Tim 20 years ago said, hey mate, go and do some Pilates, can I square your way? 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.600 Because you're almost bulletproof for your body. 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.519 And then to put yourself through the courses that I've done and the career that I've had. 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:35.279 So I was a man for leader in the Marines, I was a sniper in the Marines, I then went and did 18 years in special boat service as well. 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:40.960 So all those courses put together, I would have been better off doing Pilates as an addition to my training. 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:50.240 If I can get that message out to guys and say, look, I've done these courses, help operate at this pretty elite level for 30 years, and I've had two broken ankles, and that's pretty much about it. 00:26:50.320 --> 00:26:51.360 But I've been lucky. 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:58.240 But it proof your body, get it done now, and that will serve you into old age, and you're still being doing it with you loses when you're 85. 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:08.240 And I think that's what I often see, Tim, is that what the guys who come in, often something has happened in their body that makes them think, I need to do things differently. 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.120 And I think that opens them up to having a different approach. 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.600 And Pilates, I think that's what is hard about Pilates. 00:27:13.840 --> 00:27:20.480 I think it is that it's a different approach to what we're used to, to a lot of what's marketed out there, like harder is always better. 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.519 Actually, Pilates is there's a real subtlety.

00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:28.000 Done well, Pilates has such a subtlety to it that nothing else really does. 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:34.080 And and often it needs, doesn't it, somebody to, you know, to something has happened. 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:34.720 I mean, me too. 00:27:34.800 --> 00:27:35.440 I hurt my back. 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:36.240 That's how I got into it. 00:27:36.320 --> 00:27:37.680 It's you know, very common. 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.000 Whereas it's interesting hearing your story because you I think the same. 00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:46.720 I always think Pilates is like the servicing of your body, it's what keeps it going. 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:55.600 Whether that's just to get into old age or whether that's to keep doing the things you love, whatever that is, whether that's sport, whether that's music, whether it's walking your dog, playing with your kids, it's that. 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.920 And I similarly am on a bit of a mission to be like, I wish I'd learnt about this earlier. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:05.279 I would have not got myself into such a pickle and had to kind of undo it. 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.800 But I do think, you know, and I I guess it needs to have stories like yours. 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.600 People hearing that and thinking, okay, maybe. 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.960 And also, please come to more than one session. 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.160 Because one, you might be like, I don't get it. 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.640 That's usually I think that's quite common for guys. 00:28:20.800 --> 00:28:23.840 And runners, female runners seem to be the same, right? 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.840 They're used to push, push, push. 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:33.680 And they're like, it's a bit slow, or it's a bit meditative, or it's a bit like I I feel you need a few, don't you, to kind of get a sense of it. 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:40.560 And I always say that to people, friends of mine, I'm like, can you just commit to at least three or four sessions and then make your mind up? 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.400 Because I think you need more time. 00:28:42.560 --> 00:28:46.400 If something feels different, it can feel uncomfortable before it feels good. 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:47.360 I totally agree. 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.240 We have a saying in the service that two is one, one is none. 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.000 So what's the point in doing one session? 00:28:52.080 --> 00:29:03.920 You you're right, you get a decent workout, you have a basis of what's going to happen, but you've hit eight or nine of the different things you can do in Pilates on any piece of equipment in a 50-minute session. 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.840 So that's not really a broad outlook on it holistically. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.279 Yeah, so you need a lot more than that. 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.120 Yeah, how do you get people in to do that? 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:11.680 I don't know. 00:29:11.840 --> 00:29:16.880 Special offers, I suppose, uh in your studios, we do a three for 50 if you come in for three sessions. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.480 And normally after that, um, people are like, okay, I can see the benefits to this. 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:25.279 I run an athletic class a couple of times a week, which is faster, a bit more furious. 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.759 I speak a bit faster, if that's possible. 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.880 And it becomes very military because that's my background, right? 00:29:31.040 --> 00:29:33.680 But people are lapping it up, and that is just a sweat fest. 00:29:33.840 --> 00:29:39.440 But then going back to the actual dua pilates that I that I really enjoy teaching, you need those sessions to come through. 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.960 Because otherwise you might get you're getting a taster, and that's pretty much about it. 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:43.759 Yeah. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.120 It's an interesting question. 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.800 How do we break down that stereotype? 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:47.360 I don't know. 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:54.400 So, Tia, if you think of the guys that you've got in your studio or your friends who, you know, who did the math classes, I guess, back in those days. 00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:57.120 What is it that's made them stay? 00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.920 What what are what are the things you hear from those guys? 00:30:00.080 --> 00:30:01.360 Why do they love this work? 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:07.920 Have one guy come in and he X4 Marine and he he couldn't bend down to do up his shoelaces and it was heartbreaking for him. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.440 So he came in and he's been with us. 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.519 The first time he came in, I took him for his first session. 00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:13.040 So we immediately had that common ground. 00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:16.160 We end up talking for most of it, um, spreading stories to each other. 00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:22.160 And then he came back and came back and came back and came back, and he is an absolute diehard vagabond now. 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:23.759 Won't miss a single session. 00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:27.440 And it's story, if you can get stories like that out, brilliant. 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:28.880 Absolutely fantastic. 00:30:29.040 --> 00:30:35.920 Um, so I think the way we the way we teach it, certainly the inclusivity that we have, I think that brings people back. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.000 And then somehow we've created this community around the studio. 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:41.920 I don't know how it's happening because we didn't sound to do it. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.040 It's been really organic. 00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:47.600 But you can have five or six people who don't know each other from Adam coming for their first session. 00:30:47.840 --> 00:30:51.840 I'll take them through it, and then I'll chuck in a verbal hangar in at the end and say, hey, what's everyone doing tonight? 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What's everyone's plans? 00:30:53.040 --> 00:31:01.440 I'll step back, start cleaning things down ready for the next session, and I'll just watch them and they start talking and then they're exchanging numbers, then they're going to a cafe for a latte. 00:31:01.600 --> 00:31:04.400 So it turns out Pilates and lattes is actually a thing. 00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:07.600 But uh that's happened really organically, and it's such a nice thing. 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.360 They come in now, best of friends. 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.240 So there's that community thing as well, which again brings people back. 00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:13.759 But it's a bit shed endeavor. 00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:17.759 They're doing some quite hard exercise, but they're doing it together and they enjoy it. 00:31:18.080 --> 00:31:19.200 I absolutely agree. 00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:24.560 I've just done an episode which will have gone out just before our episode, actually, around these conversations. 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:30.880 I think a huge part of the success of a studio is how do we facilitate these conversations? 00:31:31.040 --> 00:31:34.560 Yes, for you to get to know your clients, but for them to get to know each other. 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:40.720 Because I'm still friends with my Pilates friend from like 20 years ago who doesn't live, you know, every now and again she'll message. 00:31:40.800 --> 00:31:42.160 We don't live near each other anymore. 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:51.120 But we became friends through Pilates because it does tend to bring in lots of like-minded people, similar approaches to life, similar things, and they get on really well. 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:56.240 And it makes me so happy to see those kind of friendships that are happening then outside of the studio. 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.440 Like you said, they go for coffee afterwards, they go for a glass of wine. 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:06.000 A group of them come on retreat with us, but they never they didn't know each other before they came to the studio, and now they're the best of friends. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.240 And I think us as instructors, that is our job to facilitate. 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:17.759 Like you said, you know, you ask an open question like that, it doesn't always happen, but sometimes you get that kind of organic thing. 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.120 Oh, I didn't know you did that. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.240 Oh, I go there and da-da-da. 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.920 And then it just suddenly becomes that. 00:32:22.080 --> 00:32:29.040 And that makes people, it goes back to what you said earlier about how do you make people fundamentally feel really comfortable and want to come to a space. 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.120 And I think that is a big part of it. 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.080 I think so, yeah. 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.920 Certainly when they walk in, you brought up a point earlier, people are nervous when they first walk in. 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.400 And it's my job to say, what are you nervous about? 00:32:38.560 --> 00:32:39.279 I'm a human. 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.279 I'm gonna take you through a certain set of exercises and um we'll go from there. 00:32:43.360 --> 00:32:45.360 And we will, I will meet you where you are. 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:46.880 I'll adjust the weights for you. 00:32:47.040 --> 00:32:57.040 I've got an older client who comes in and um, she reminds me of my Nan, uh, who's no longer with us, but she's brilliant and came in with a bad back, hadn't slept for about three months because her back was that bad. 00:32:57.120 --> 00:33:05.279 She came in about three or four weeks after I started working with her and said, uh, for the first time I've slept through the entire night, and it's all down to all down to coming here. 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:14.880 But I'll get her on the on the reformer, I'll adjust her springs for her, I hand her a pillow, I help her off the reformer, and it's having that sort of, it's almost like a personal touch, which I really get a kick out of doing anyway. 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.480 I like it because I like to look after her. 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:25.440 She's not the only client I do that for either, but um, it's making people feel welcome, making people think it's a friendly space and a safe space, more of the point. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:31.279 I remember when Minnie first started working at our first unit, which was at home in our conservatory that I converted for her. 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.240 She was half plotties instructor, half counsellor. 00:33:34.560 --> 00:33:38.240 And people come in, and because they're doing exercise, it sort of breaks down barriers. 00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:40.320 I don't know what it is, but it's something that breaks down a barrier. 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.600 All of a sudden, they'd be in floods of tears, telling her their entire life story. 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:50.640 I get a signal like that from I was in the kitchen, so I make a cup of tea, bring a cup of tea in, and we just sit and shoot the breeze for a bit. 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:54.560 It was a really uplifting experience for me to see that happen. 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:55.200 It was cool. 00:33:55.360 --> 00:33:57.519 And I looked in, because I was still serving at the time. 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:03.360 So I looked in at what Millie was doing and then what Molly was doing when she joined Millie in Vagabond and thought, yeah, I want in. 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:04.240 That looks really cool. 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.000 We can start helping people out here a little bit. 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.279 I mean, that side of the work I find so interesting. 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:16.159 If you are a teacher doing privates, especially if you can teach privates in a space like you had where it's just you and the client in there. 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.360 We have one of our studios is really small and it still happens there. 00:34:19.759 -->

00:34:20.880 People do, don't they? 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.400 They do tell you everything. 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.440 And it's an interesting thing because people go, Oh, it's not really your scope of practice. 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:31.039 Listen, my view on it is I'm not there to counsel them, but I can listen, I can hear. 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.079 And sometimes I think people just need space, but there definitely is something, isn't there? 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:40.400 When you get the body moving, it seems to release emotions and energy, and you've just got to kind of just be with it. 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.159 So, you know, when clients get teary and say, like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.639 I live, I'm like, this is really good. 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.639 It means something has moved. 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.800 And especially if you're a client in chronic pain, that probably just needed to move. 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.039 It's it's just a cool experience. 00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:01.279 We've had clients come in and say, You've literally saved my life, and it doesn't get much better than that as an instructor. 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:02.400 Didn't set out to do that. 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.920 I just took you through a party session. 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.719 But it's become part of your daily routine, part of your weekly routine, and we're here for you. 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.279 And that's um, I don't take that lightly either. 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:16.239 I think that's really special that someone's happy to open up about that to me as an individual. 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.000 And it but it shows the trust, doesn't it? 00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:19.599 It goes back to everything we've been saying, actually. 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:20.239 It shows the trust. 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:21.279 They feel safe with you. 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:27.119 And I, you know, always feel passionately that if we can help clients feel safe, their body will do anything. 00:35:27.279 --> 00:35:31.519 The reason their body isn't doing something is because it doesn't feel safe somewhere along the line. 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.119 Their body is communicating to them. 00:35:33.279 --> 00:35:34.159 No, don't go there. 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.279 That doesn't feel good. 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.119 So it's part of it, isn't it? 00:35:37.279 --> 00:35:37.840 It's part of it. 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.759 And it kind of that vibe then transcends into whether it's group classes or privates, you know, it's there. 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:49.920 And back to thinking about men, thinking about it, like I I, our studio, we do a lot of rehab type work. 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:56.559 So we have people then that move to group classes and they will say to me, Oh, Nick, God, the amount of things you had to adjust. 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.399 And I say the same thing to every client. 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:05.199 You have no

idea as a client how many people in the room were doing variations on things, right? 00:36:05.279 --> 00:36:06.239 You'd agree to him, right? 00:36:06.319 --> 00:36:09.839 Everyone in the room's kind of having their own workout, but nobody sees it. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:18.000 So if you're the guy there thinking, oh God, I was rubbish, I was tight, I was stiff, nobody has noticed except yourself. 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:27.039 Like you didn't notice that someone over there had to do a completely different exercise because they couldn't do that one, or the person over there couldn't lie on their back, so they were lying on their side. 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.399 Like everyone in the room is having their own unique experience. 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.960 And I think that's also such a wonderful thing, even in groups that we're able to facilitate. 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:35.839 I think so too. 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:42.639 I think it goes back to that whole mind, body, and spirit thing because people are doing their own practice in their own bubble, for one of the better expression. 00:36:42.799 --> 00:36:44.319 So they're concentrated where they're doing. 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.399 What everyone else is doing is completely irrelevant. 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.319 And as the instructor, you'll know this more than I because you've been doing it for longer than I have, but you never make a song and dance about changing something. 00:36:52.399 --> 00:36:57.039 You just walk across, go and do it, tell them what to do, let them crack on, keep your BDR on them. 00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:58.239 And that's the way it should be done. 00:36:58.319 --> 00:37:04.079 It shouldn't be a all right, wait, everyone stop because so-and-so over here has got to get an adjustment. 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:05.359 It's just not the way it's done. 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:06.879 And it shouldn't be either. 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.960 You should be victimized because you couldn't do something. 00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:10.239 That's just that's just not on. 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.799 For me, that's a very important part of our studio. 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.519 Tim, I'd love to ask something that always, you know, I'd love to ask your advice on something, really. 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.599 Those people, I thought you're the person to ask about this. 00:37:21.839 --> 00:37:22.159 Right. 00:37:22.399 --> 00:37:25.839 Those people in life that love pushing hard, right? 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.799 You, your whole career was built on this, your previous career. 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.960 You know, there's a mentality, isn't there, that you can push, push, push, push, push. 00:37:33.279 --> 00:37:35.279 And runners can often be. 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.679 The marathon runners can often be these people, right? 00:37:37.759 --> 00:37:40.719 They're so used to they can push and they can turn something off. 00:37:40.799 --> 00:37:46.639 I well, I think they can turn something off that stops them feeling how much pain their body might be in. 00:37:46.879 --> 00:37:58.639 And sometimes I hear from a lot of guests, and we have it in our studio too, that when those people come to our work, sometimes they can struggle to understand maybe what Pilates is. 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.799 And you mentioned you've kind of got an athletic class. 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.719 And is there an element of let's meet those people where they're at and let them do this work but in a more athletic way? 00:38:06.879 --> 00:38:11.119 Or do you have you learned any, you know, tips or tricks over the years of how you get those people? 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:19.679 You know, you talked about some ex-military guys that you've been working with to come into this and do some of the softer, more mind-body element of this? 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:27.440 So the athletic cast that I run, it's probably about a 60-40 ratio on pure repertoire and then other things that I've adapted. 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:41.679 So I is uh it's all from the uh from the the repertoire, but I've just adapted things make them slightly harder, maybe up the springs, um a little bit more on the reformer, put a bit more weight on, maybe get them to do a few more reps as well, just get that uh get the muscles burning where they normally wouldn't do. 00:38:41.839 --> 00:38:48.159 Um so it was all based around pure Pilates, but the way I run it is slightly different, and I think that appeals to the people. 00:38:48.319 --> 00:38:52.799 I have an ultrabund that comes in and she absolutely loves her classes, can't get enough of them, it's brilliant. 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.159 I love training with her as well. 00:38:54.399 --> 00:38:57.920 You get those people coming in and all of a sudden they're addicted, which is really cool. 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:06.319 And it's it's almost like they get the same sort of endorphin rush from doing a session like that as they do for going out and doing a two and a half, three hour run. 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.480 To your point on pushing yourself. 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.759 I don't know, uh I did a um I did an ultramath and it was a few years ago. 00:39:13.839 --> 00:39:15.440 There's a 50 miner in in Cyprus. 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:22.239 We lived out there in the True Ross Mountains, and I I gave myself kidney failure doing it, but I wouldn't stop. 00:39:22.399 --> 00:39:23.759 There was no way I was gonna stop. 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:29.199 So I don't know if that's a unique thing that some people have and some people don't, or it's just stupidity. 00:39:29.359 --> 00:39:30.559 I'm not entirely sure what it is. 00:39:31.279 --> 00:39:32.159 Well, I don't have it, Tim. 00:39:32.319 --> 00:39:32.719 I don't have it. 00:39:32.879 --> 00:39:34.159 I'm a terrible runner. 00:39:34.319 --> 00:39:37.279 I get to about four kilometers, I'm like, I'm dead. 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.000 I'm done. 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:47.519 But I have

recently, this last year, I've taken up strength training and I've loved that because it's kind of got the detail I love about Pilates, but now I'm loading my system. 00:39:47.839 --> 00:39:58.239 But I really wouldn't have been able to do this work without all the Pilates I've done because I'd had so many injuries, I had so many kind of inefficiencies in my body that as soon as I loaded it, I would just be injured again. 00:39:58.319 --> 00:40:02.000 So, you know, it goes back to what you said earlier about this the work goes hand in hand. 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:03.839 It's not necessarily one or the other. 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.519 You you need Pilates alongside other things that you do in your life. 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:15.199 But from what I'm hearing from you, is kind of your approaches, maybe meet these people a little bit more where they're at and don't take them too slow. 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.679 Maybe they'll ask to go there later. 00:40:17.759 --> 00:40:25.519 But I've been thinking about through all the strength work I've been doing, I've been thinking about similar to what you've been saying, could we load someone a bit more? 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:30.319 Like I see all the cable work at the gym, and I think we could do that in Reformer. 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.639 And I find it weird at the gym that when you do cable work, it doesn't get heavier because in the reformer it gets heavier as you pull it, right? 00:40:36.799 --> 00:40:38.000 The spring gets more load on it. 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:51.279 So I was like, oh, you could be interesting, but a lot of that work, I think, has where we've blended it has maybe lost some of the nth, that the essence of the detail and the controlology and all the things that you were saying earlier about Pilates. 00:40:51.599 --> 00:41:00.480 So I think there are ways that we can bring the repertoire in and play with it and not lose the essence of what it is. 00:41:00.799 --> 00:41:01.679 I think absolutely right. 00:41:01.759 --> 00:41:02.799 I've I've been in the gym. 00:41:02.879 --> 00:41:06.079 We're a studio here where we are now is next door to a gym, which is really good. 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:07.279 So I go there to train. 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:16.879 And I've done sign-kneeling um arm series, but with a free weight instead, just standing in front of the mirrors, and I watched people watching me and I watched another lad pick up a weight and do the same sort of thing. 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.000 So it's infectious. 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.879 You can see something, and your muscles are straining when you're doing this. 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:30.639 You transfer that back into a Pilate studio onto a reformer, and you can lower the weight and get the exact same essence of the move with a lower weight, and it feels harder. 00:41:30.799 --> 00:41:37.119 Because A, you're putting that spring, so you've got more resistance behind it, but secondly, you'll concentrate the muscles you need to concentrate on as well. 00:41:37.359 --> 00:41:40.079 I think you're hitting the sweet spot of your training. 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.839 So strength training, osteoprocess, older age, joint congruency, etc. 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.519 And then you're doing your Pilates as well. 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.159 I think personally, Tim's opinion on the world, that is the sweet spot to be training. 00:41:50.319 --> 00:41:50.719 I think. 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:51.759 I've loved it. 00:41:51.839 --> 00:41:54.239 And uh I also I love the rest breaks. 00:41:54.399 --> 00:41:56.079 This is my favourite bit of it. 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.279 I have to spend two minutes doing nothing. 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.359 This is really hard for me. 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.279 I have no, I have no issue with the motivation and doing that, but I like I just want to get on to the next thing. 00:42:05.359 --> 00:42:07.679 And my trainer's like, no, no, no, you have to do nothing. 00:42:07.839 --> 00:42:08.319 We just chat. 00:42:08.399 --> 00:42:10.079 She's like, This is when I message you, Nick. 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:11.279 She works in my business as well. 00:42:11.359 --> 00:42:12.480 She's like, This is when I message you. 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:14.239 I'm like, oh, right, okay. 00:42:14.399 --> 00:42:18.399 And I've loved it, and it's been it has been really interesting to see my body shift. 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.000 And I'm lucky my my gym actually has a couple of reformers in. 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.719 So I need you always end up going on the reformer at the end because you're like, you kind of miss all the spine movement. 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.039 Listen, Tim, I'd love to talk to you about your studio Vaccabon Pilates, which is in the background. 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.079 Tell me a little bit about it. 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.920 So your wife was the teacher first, and you had the studio in your conservatory. 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:39.199 Kind of what happened? 00:42:39.279 --> 00:42:40.799 How have you got to where you are today? 00:42:40.879 --> 00:42:42.000 Tell me a little bit about that. 00:42:42.319 --> 00:42:45.039 It got really big, really quick, really by accident. 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:46.799 So I said Millie had cancer. 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.719 She was in the Air Force at the time and she was a very successful sex officer in her own right, uh, 21-year career. 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.839 But on the back of the cancer, successful operation, etc., um, she lost her career through medical discharge. 00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:59.279 So, like a double whammy, really. 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.639 I was in a fortunate enough position to say, look, I've got you. 00:43:02.799 --> 00:43:08.639 Take six months, take two years, take whatever time you need, go and find something that fills your cup, and we'll go from there. 00:43:08.799 --> 00:43:10.799 And Pilates filled her cup. 00:43:10.879 --> 00:43:12.559 So she

wanted a studio at home. 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.159 So I said, okay, we'll do that. 00:43:14.319 --> 00:43:18.239 We'll warm roof, warm wall the conservatory, we'll make you a Plate studio at home. 00:43:18.399 --> 00:43:20.239 That got really big really quickly as well. 00:43:20.399 --> 00:43:24.719 And about that time, a lady called Molly came along, and she was doing her postnatal journey with Millie. 00:43:24.799 --> 00:43:26.079 They got on like a house on fire. 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.199 Two ferociously intelligent, really driven females. 00:43:29.359 --> 00:43:30.879 They got on really, really well. 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.440 And so Millie said, Look, this is getting too busy for me. 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.119 I need someone else on board with this. 00:43:35.279 --> 00:43:38.319 So she approached Molly, who snapped her hand off and said, Yep, I'm in. 00:43:38.399 --> 00:43:39.199 Let's do this. 00:43:39.359 --> 00:43:45.359 So Vagabond Plate started with Millie and Molly and Tim on the outside looking in, thinking they're doing something really cool. 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:46.239 Where can I help? 00:43:46.399 --> 00:43:48.000 The wait list got ridiculous. 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:49.279 We needed a studio. 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.879 So Minnie and Molly um found us a barn. 00:43:53.279 --> 00:43:57.679 So I walked into the barn, having already said that I'll do it for you, I can do that sort of thing. 00:43:57.839 --> 00:44:03.119 And the roof was falling down, there was a wall in the wrong place, there was a door in the wrong place, there was no door and a ship and the door. 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.519 And I was thinking, what the what have I done? 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.519 What have I done by volunteering for this? 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:15.440 So with the help of some builders who were really, really good, my dad, and pretty much the village turned up to help us, which was so unbelievably cool. 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.279 We got our first studio up. 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.960 At that point, I was, like I said, look over the fence, thinking they're doing something special here. 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.519 I had about finished my time in the service. 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:24.719 I didn't really want to continue. 00:44:24.799 --> 00:44:25.359 I'd had enough. 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:26.879 I already had a CV written up. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.480 And our usual pathway when we leave the special forces is to go onto what we call the circuit. 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.599 So close protection, VIP, VIP uh protecting, or um go and do some military consulting somewhere. 00:44:35.759 --> 00:44:38.000 It's not to read something that's ever photo my boat. 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:44.079 So I approached Million Molly for a very stilted conversation to say, look, I want to join you in vagabond Pilates. 00:44:44.399 --> 00:44:46.719 I want to be an instructor, I want to help you with the business. 00:44:46.879 --> 00:44:55.599 So they asked for my CV, which was humbling, and then had a 40-minute interview with two fierce people, and they absolutely grilled me. 00:44:55.759 --> 00:44:56.239 Yeah, yeah. 00:44:56.399 --> 00:45:00.960 They wanted to make sure that I was as passionate about vagabonds and pilates as they were. 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:07.279 They didn't just want me coming on for an easy ride, grabbing all the coattails and thinking, well, this would be an easy transition out of the military into something else. 00:45:07.359 --> 00:45:11.679 I didn't want that either, but I had to actually tell them that that wasn't the case. 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.039 So I became part of the business before I became the instructor. 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:16.639 But instructing has always been my passion. 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.079 I've done it throughout my entire career. 00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.839 I've taken recruits who basically training at Limpston in Devon. 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:28.079 I've taken, I did two years up at the Special Forces training command, taking people through the special forces selection pathway. 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:38.719 So teaching people, instructing them, and getting them from week one to the sixth month point on selection was probably one of the most fulfilling things I did in my entire career. 00:45:38.799 --> 00:45:41.039 It was a real privileged position to be in. 00:45:41.279 --> 00:45:43.920 And I see guys in the squadron, and I thought, yeah, I knew you guys. 00:45:44.319 --> 00:45:45.119 To pass day one. 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.559 And it's great that they had the willpower to do that. 00:45:49.279 --> 00:45:51.440 But that brings it back to Pilates again, right? 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:56.879 So you could in put Pilates in selection because we're after Land Rovers, not Ferraris. 00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.639 You see people turn up and they're a three-time combined services CrossFit champion, they'll be gone by day two. 00:46:02.799 --> 00:46:06.719 And it's little guys like me who can take a knock and crack on that will pass. 00:46:06.879 --> 00:46:09.519 And Pilates will help you bulletproof your body to do that. 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:27.599 I've digressed there slightly, but No, and I was gonna say, like, it feels you know that the the way, you know, what it what it means to be a teacher, what it means to teach people, and and I'm passionate about we're teachers more than just instructors, in the sense of we teach people how to do this and to get better. 00:46:27.759 --> 00:46:34.879 And just like you did through that six-month selection process and getting somebody to the end line, like they have to improve and they you have to progress them. 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:38.799 And I think as as Pilates teachers, we have to be doing that too. 00:46:38.879 --> 00:46:40.559 We can't just keep people at the same level. 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.839 We have to get them somewhere. 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.279 That's

what makes them stay with us. 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.759 Like I've got clients who've been with me 10, 11 years now. 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:46.399 That's why. 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.679 Otherwise, you'd be bored. 00:46:47.839 --> 00:46:49.599 You'd be so bored if it was the same thing. 00:46:49.759 --> 00:46:55.440 And I think that's why people really love Pilates because it it you know, it's not just doing the same workout over and over again. 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.159 No, you're right. 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:57.679 It's it's progression of practice, isn't it? 00:46:57.759 --> 00:46:59.039 And it's a practice for a reason. 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:00.639 That's why it's called a practice, right? 00:47:00.799 --> 00:47:01.839 Yeah, I totally agree. 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:03.519 You don't keep all the people at the same level. 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:08.799 You don't push them the same respect that I used to push people when I was taking them through selection because that just wouldn't work, they wouldn't come back. 00:47:08.879 --> 00:47:14.480 But you you push them, you meet them where they are, and then you take them a little bit further and you say, Look, you can do this, you've just done it. 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:15.039 Good job. 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.239 Right, on to the next thing. 00:47:16.399 --> 00:47:21.759 And that Cheshire cat grin that I get off someone when I've taken them through a move, they couldn't do, couldn't do, they've nailed it. 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.119 That for me is the juice. 00:47:23.279 --> 00:47:24.239 That's why I teach. 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.519 I absolutely love it. 00:47:25.759 --> 00:47:28.159 And tell me about that studio ownership journey then. 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:33.440 So you you come into the business, you've had your interview, you've, you know, you go and do your training, obviously. 00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:38.879 What have what have been the things that have surprised you about studio ownership and the challenges around it? 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:42.960 Because you know, you've had, you've led a life that's full of pressure. 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.920 But what has been the difference with studio ownership as such? 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.960 I think when we leave the armed forces, there is an adjustment period. 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.879 And I I paid lip service to that completely. 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:51.679 I thought, nah, that's fine. 00:47:51.759 --> 00:47:52.719 I've made my peace for the fact. 00:47:52.799 --> 00:47:55.199 I'm leaving the service, I'm gonna be a sibi, that's great. 00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:56.239 And it's really difficult. 00:47:56.319 --> 00:47:58.480 And what you need in your life is a sense of purpose. 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.559 And Vagabond has given me that sense of purpose that I didn't really know that I needed. 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.279 It's like a second chapter that's opened up. 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:06.639 It's been challenging. 00:48:06.799 --> 00:48:13.039 There's certain challenges that are there, but certainly that that that sense of purpose is why I get up in the morning. 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:17.039 I get up in the morning, I put on my Lulus and I go to the studio and I teach. 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:18.399 And that is my sense of purpose. 00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:18.960 I love it. 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.279 Then back home and work the back end of the business stuff. 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:21.920 It's cool. 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:23.359 And how is it working with your wife? 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:24.480 I also work with my husband. 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.879 I have not managed to convince him to be a Pilates teacher yet. 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:28.719 He is in the in the background. 00:48:28.879 --> 00:48:30.000 But how how does that work? 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:31.679 Do you have to have some set rules around? 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.000 I was I caught myself having a chat about 9.30 the other night that went on till 11. 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.599 I said, I've broken my own rule. 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.559 I'm so sorry. 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:39.599 It's hard, right? 00:48:39.839 --> 00:48:41.599 Do you have some boundaries around that? 00:48:41.839 --> 00:48:43.119 We'd love to, but no. 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:45.679 Is a short answer to that? 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.799 Definitely if it's both of you, but regardless, like this is your life, right? 00:48:48.879 --> 00:48:50.799 I've running a studio is my entire life. 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.839 There isn't a conversation that happens that doesn't revolve around the studio. 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.639 So even with my friends, half my friends come here anyway. 00:48:56.879 --> 00:48:57.519 It's a funny one. 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:04.239 Working with your wife, who's also your best friend, is there's a challenge there, certainly, because it redefines the boundaries of your marriage, right? 00:49:04.399 --> 00:49:06.799 Then you couple that with the fact we've got Molly on board as well. 00:49:06.879 --> 00:49:10.879 And as I said before, they're ferociously passionate about vagabond. 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:15.199 My biggest concern in joining was that I wouldn't do them justice. 00:49:15.359 --> 00:49:17.759 They're they're the genesis of vagabond, right? 00:49:17.839 --> 00:49:19.920 And I didn't want to come on board and be a handbrake. 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.039 That that's not what I wanted to do. 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.079 I wanted to support them as best I possibly could. 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.559 So my biggest fear is I don't do enough. 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.319 And in doing that, I'm trying to do too much because of the character that I am. 00:49:30.399 --> 00:49:31.920 So I try and take on board too much. 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.119 And there's been an adjustment period. 00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:38.319 There's another girl who worked for us called T-Jan, and she's the business

manager and she's the glue that holds it all together. 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:46.159 And we have a weekly Monday morning meeting around my coffee table, and the three girls will say half a sentence to each other, then nod, and then start writing some notes. 00:49:46.319 --> 00:49:52.879 And I was sat there thinking, right, they'll catch me up in a second, or there'll be an action point, I'll write something down, I'll go and do that. 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:53.679 It never comes. 00:49:53.759 --> 00:49:55.519 I still haven't got to the point where that happens yet. 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:59.199 And then about 10 minutes later, I'll put my hand up and say, Hey gang, have you thought about doing this? 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.839 Now T Jim will give you the loveliest, sweetest smile as if to say, ah, bless. 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:11.759 Moni rolls her eyes at me, then looks at me to see if she can laugh at me, and then Millie just looks at me deadpan and says, catch up, and then goes back to writing her notes. 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:16.079 So working with um those three desperately intelligent people, that's a challenge. 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.159 And uh and a surprise, if I'm honest as well. 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:20.960 I thought I'd be up there at the same level as them, and I'm not. 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.359 So, but hey, it's a constant journey. 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.079 I'm getting better and getting better, but it's not been easy. 00:50:26.399 --> 00:50:39.119 And I it just made me think about you know, you've got the adjustment of coming out of the military anyway, but then you've also got the going from a very male-dominated environment to now actually a very female-dominant environment, whether that's your colleagues, but you know, your clients as well. 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:41.279 And I guess that's that takes some adjustment too. 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:42.879 I think adjustment's a good word for it. 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:43.759 I'd say education. 00:50:43.839 --> 00:50:49.359 I've I've gone from working in small teams with all guys, no females at all, to working for an all-female team. 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.639 I am the only guy here. 00:50:50.799 --> 00:50:52.239 And yeah, it's been educational. 00:50:52.399 --> 00:50:55.440 I'll leave it there, let you let you let your mind do the rest, but it's been educational. 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.199 Sometimes they're worse than a bunch of Marines. 00:50:57.279 --> 00:50:59.119 But yeah, it's it's just fun. 00:50:59.279 --> 00:50:59.759 It's fun. 00:50:59.839 --> 00:51:03.599 I've got those three girls to work alongside, which is a privilege. 00:51:03.759 --> 00:51:06.960 And then the rest of our team of instructors who are all top-notch as well. 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:07.679 It's great. 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.119 Life doesn't get any better than this. 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:10.079 It's um it's awesome. 00:51:10.319 --> 00:51:12.239 So, how has the team expanded as you've expanded? 00:51:12.319 --> 00:51:14.879 Like you said, you've got more instructors, you've got a business manager. 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.159 What kind of team members have you needed to bring in to support the three of you? 00:51:18.399 --> 00:51:21.759 So, we definitely need T-June on board because, like I said, she's the glue that holds all together. 00:51:21.839 --> 00:51:26.639 Things we can't do, haven't got time to do, um, don't know how to do, she does for us, which is which is brilliant. 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:31.199 And I get usually get a a um a WhatsApp first thing in the morning saying hey Tim, have you done this, done that, done that? 00:51:31.279 --> 00:51:32.559 I'm like, nope, I'm on it now. 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:33.039 Thanks. 00:51:33.359 --> 00:51:34.639 We all need one of those in our lives. 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:36.960 I need, I need she needs to come and work for me. 00:51:37.359 --> 00:51:39.679 Don't pinch her face, she's brilliant, we'll fall apart. 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.839 My poor Asana has to ping me messages every day, being like, Nick, have you done this? 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:44.879 I'm like, no, no. 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:45.679 That's funny. 00:51:45.839 --> 00:51:46.319 I like it. 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:52.159 And then to have that all female team of of top-notch instructors who all have we've got each other's backs as well. 00:51:52.319 --> 00:51:55.039 So if someone's having a bad day, it's a WhatsApp message. 00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.079 Can you fit them for my class? 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.199 Yeah, I can, no problem at all. 00:51:57.359 --> 00:51:58.079 Just change it over. 00:51:58.239 --> 00:51:59.279 And it's really nice. 00:51:59.359 --> 00:52:01.679 And we all teach differently because everyone does. 00:52:01.759 --> 00:52:03.599 And that gives the clients variety, right? 00:52:03.759 --> 00:52:05.039 And they seek that sometimes. 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.039 It's it's it's a it's a unique experience, certainly in my my life. 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.319 I've never done anything like it before. 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.399 And how how has it been finding instructors where you are in in the world? 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:15.920 Not too bad, to be honest with you. 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.679 We're all we're all stock trained. 00:52:17.759 --> 00:52:21.440 It's a accreditation that we decided to go down predominantly because Millie was stock trained. 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.639 So I thought, right, I'm gonna do what she does because it looks really intense. 00:52:24.799 --> 00:52:25.440 It looks hard. 00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.359 And that appealed to my appeals to my sense of let's make it as hard as I can. 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.039 So yeah, not too difficult. 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.159 We there's got quite a few instructors who used to be clients. 00:52:34.319 --> 00:52:36.879 They've now trained as instructors and now work for us as well. 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:38.799 And

that's always such a nice journey, isn't it? 00:52:38.879 --> 00:52:40.719 We have as well, and I absolutely love it. 00:52:40.879 --> 00:52:45.920 They're the best teachers because they they they have lived and breathed your ethos. 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.159 Because that I think that is one of the challenges, isn't it? 00:52:48.399 --> 00:53:01.359 You want everyone's individual teacher personality to come through, but you also want there to be a level of consistency in terms of the ethos and beliefs and the feels, and you know, like you said, even the way you welcome clients and chat to them, they're all such important things. 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.159 Do you do you have to do work on that with your team? 00:53:04.319 --> 00:53:07.920 Or has there because if they've been clients, maybe it's sort of in them? 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.480 So Mili does some mentorship with them, certainly. 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:17.119 We have a lady, um Lucia, who comes in uh once a quarter, and what she does about Pilates writ large isn't worth knowing about. 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:26.480 So we all come into the studio up here, she comes in and takes us through a masterclass for three hours, and we ping our questions beforehand to say, look, I need to know more about this, I need to know more about that. 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.599 And she comes in loaded with that, takes us through a masterclass. 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.879 So there's there's always that sort of constant striving to be the best that we can be, and that feeds quite nicely into that. 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.960 Yeah, and I was doing a talk recently, and that was the question that was asked actually, it was around mentorship. 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.719 You know, what if your team isn't not saying yours isn't, but like you say, your team isn't experienced enough. 00:53:42.799 --> 00:53:47.679 And I was like, You you've got to have it in your budget to bring somebody in because that's what the top studios do. 00:53:47.839 --> 00:53:50.719 And also it means that you keep really good teachers, don't you? 00:53:50.799 --> 00:53:51.519 Because they love it. 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.639 Because and we all love it. 00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:58.559 Like you said right at the beginning of our our talk, you never know all this work, and that's why it's fun. 00:53:58.799 --> 00:53:59.359 So it's great. 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:04.639 So and you're doing that kind of quarterly, which is a great commitment to the teaching team and to your clients to do that. 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:09.359 I think Richard Branson said if you um look after your staff, your staff look after your clients. 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:10.559 So that's what we do. 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:16.159 Look after yourself, and that translates then into how they teach, uh the way they teach, and how professional they are as well. 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.799 I think Millie's had a big hand in how we are as people in the studio. 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:26.319 I distinctly remember my first lesson that I taught, and Millie was sat in the back because I enjoy a bit of instant feedback. 00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.119 And Millie gives it to me straight away, which is fantastic. 00:54:29.279 --> 00:54:29.839 I love it. 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.440 And the first lesson I ever taught was I run it like a range package, more or less. 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:38.079 It was very much right, get down, lie down, put your hands in straps, put your feet in the footbar, off we go, type thing. 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.759 And there's no finesse in there at all. 00:54:39.839 --> 00:54:41.839 And I thought I nailed it, thought I crushed it. 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:42.559 Everyone loved it. 00:54:42.799 --> 00:54:44.159 Smiles, sweat everywhere. 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.359 And Millie's first point to me was, you can't teach like that, mate. 00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:48.799 It doesn't work this way. 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.519 So I've had to adjust the way that I teach and instruct. 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.440 But there's a lot of Millie in how I teach. 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:54.879 Molly's an awesome teacher as well. 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.079 She's got her own way of doing things. 00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.199 But everyone has their own little way of doing bits and bobs, and that's what I like about it. 00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:00.719 And like you said, clients love that. 00:55:00.879 --> 00:55:02.000 They love that, don't they? 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:05.119 And tell me a little bit about the mix of your studio because I'm looking behind you. 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:06.559 So it's not just reformer. 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.839 What tell me about what you're offering there at your studio? 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.679 Um at Blamford, where I'm at the moment, we've got it's a full equipment studio. 00:55:13.759 --> 00:55:16.000 So there's a Cadillac, you can't see it's behind you there. 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.879 We've got towers on six of the reformers. 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:22.159 There's two maritures in here, and then um uh lines. 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:26.719 Uh, we've got ladder barrels, uh, we've got chairs and a spine uh spine extender as well. 00:55:26.799 --> 00:55:36.239 So it's it's gone full equipment up here, which is which is really exciting as well, because we can offer a lot more than just reformer and there's a mat extenders, so we do mat classes in here as well. 00:55:36.319 --> 00:55:41.039 So we're trying to bring the whole methodology in one place, not just offer a single thing. 00:55:41.279 --> 00:55:42.719 And how do you bring that methodology? 00:55:42.799 --> 00:55:45.599 Do you do it in a group class and how does that group class run? 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:52.079 Because I think, you know, we we do too, and I think it's it's a really interesting point to start teaching clients about the system. 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:53.279 I think so too. 00:55:53.359 -->

00:55:53.519 Yeah. 00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:57.279 So I do a class called roulette, and no one knows what's gonna happen until they turn up. 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:02.000 So it could be just reformer, it could be a tower, it could be Matt, it could be chair, it could be all four. 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.000 So you've got enough chairs for everybody as such. 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:04.639 So it can be. 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:05.279 Yeah, yes. 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.920 Six reformers with towers, six chairs. 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:08.159 Okay. 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:09.279 Exactly right, yeah. 00:56:09.359 --> 00:56:10.480 And no one knows what's gonna happen. 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.399 At least of all me when I turn up to instruct it. 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.679 So I've obviously programmed something out and it changes week by week. 00:56:15.759 --> 00:56:19.920 Um, and that just introduces people into look, Plate isn't just a reformer. 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.319 It's got so much more to add to it as well. 00:56:22.399 --> 00:56:24.000 And by the way, get on the tower. 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:25.519 We're gonna have a go at that now as well. 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.519 And again, people love it because it's something new. 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.000 It's shiny, it's got springs, etc. 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.159 And they really enjoy get getting a feel for that equipment. 00:56:32.399 --> 00:56:40.480 Yeah, we have a one my smaller studio, it's just got kind of well, it's got two reformers, but one piece of each of equipment as such, and we do some small like little circuit classes on that. 00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:43.759 And sometimes people can be a bit like, oh, it's a bit slower than reformer, granted. 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:52.719 But once they've done a few classes of it, they start to realize like each piece of equipment brings something else, lots of similar patterns of movement, but it feels very, very different. 00:56:52.879 --> 00:56:59.039 And I've been thinking about like how do we bring maybe more chair in alongside reformer as well as maybe tower work as well. 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.000 Because I think it's a really, you know, it's a cool, but I like that roulette idea. 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:03.119 Also nice for the clients. 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.759 You're like, you know, it keeps it fresh, doesn't it? 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.319 You're like, I don't know what I'm gonna turn up to, which is really nice. 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.679 It's keeping interest going. 00:57:09.839 --> 00:57:13.759 Not that I think we'd be thinking need to, but just in case we did, hey, I'd be gone for something else here. 00:57:13.839 --> 00:57:15.119 Come up and you don't know what's gonna happen. 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:15.759 Yeah, it's cool. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.639 Oh, Tim, I have absolutely loved talking to you. 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:19.839 I could talk to you all day. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.399 Let's end with some quickish fire questions. 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.559 What would you say to a man who still thinks Pilates is not for him? 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.000 Have you tried it? 00:57:28.319 --> 00:57:29.359 That's very true. 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.559 If not, why not? 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:31.920 I'll take you for a session right now. 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:32.480 Let's do this. 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:39.359 Uh what would you say to a teacher who wants to get better at working with high performing or very driven high-energy clients? 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:40.319 God. 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:42.559 I don't know. 00:57:42.879 --> 00:57:43.920 Because you've worked with those guys. 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:51.119 You know, that's what we talked about, you know, in terms of those elite athletes, those former military, you know, if someone's out there, they're like, I I like what Tim's saying. 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:52.719 I want to work with those kind of people. 00:57:52.799 --> 00:57:53.920 How do you attract them in? 00:57:54.159 --> 00:58:00.239 I think it has to stop that education again and say, look, this is gonna, this is gonna be a great addition to your regular training. 00:58:00.319 --> 00:58:02.079 It's not gonna be anything like you've done before. 00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.920 It won't be fast, it won't be furious, but you will feel it, I guarantee you. 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:10.239 And then bring them in for that session, take them through, don't push them too hard because you don't want to. 00:58:10.399 --> 00:58:13.119 They need to learn the basics before they're gonna run and go from there. 00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.399 And then give them that carrot and say, look, this is a this is a starter class. 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.799 Okay, then take you through some basic repertoire to start with. 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.159 We'll build in it from here. 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:24.559 And very, very soon we'll be on to the more higher-end intermediate, then get into the advanced. 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:25.279 So it's a journey. 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.079 I probably just verbalize that look, this is a journey. 00:58:28.319 --> 00:58:30.480 It's not one and done, it's not straight away. 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.639 I think that that's probably the best way to attract them in. 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.639 But they've got to have a have that interest in the first place. 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:35.599 They'll be open to it. 00:58:35.759 --> 00:58:36.879 And I think that's it, isn't it? 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:43.119 I think sometimes it's a bit like, you know, when someone has to go to therapy, you know, you've got we've all got that friend or that relative, and you're like, dig a bit. 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:44.960 You can't tell them to do it, right? 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:45.759 People have to be ready. 00:58:45.839 --> 00:58:48.079 And I think Pilates is kind of similar in that sense. 00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:49.599 People have to be open to

doing it. 00:58:49.759 --> 00:58:51.279 I've definitely dragged a few friends. 00:58:51.359 --> 00:58:57.519 You know, you can become a bit of a preacher on high in this world because you you know, you know, you're like, it doesn't matter what your problem is. 00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:02.159 Honestly, Pilates will probably do give you a good, you know, solve it somewhat anyway. 00:59:02.319 --> 00:59:05.119 Um and then I've realized over this, like, don't do that, actually. 00:59:05.279 --> 00:59:09.759 Just, you know, like you said, educate, keep saying, and then one day they usually go, Do you know what? 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:12.079 I was thinking you've been talking about this for quite a while. 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:12.879 Maybe I'll go. 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.440 And then, of course, they've decided. 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:16.960 And I think that works really well. 00:59:17.279 --> 00:59:18.480 Well, it's one of two things, isn't it? 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:23.839 That they've either fed up with you talking about it and they think I'm gonna shut you up now, I'm gonna come along, or they're they use father interests. 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.799 So either way, you get him in the studio and and and you'll hook them. 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:32.399 And we talked a little bit earlier about, you know, this like obsession with trying to sort of always prove Pilates is hard. 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:40.239 But if we stop trying to prove that Pilates is hard, what should we tell people about it instead that would help them understand it better? 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:42.879 That it's about bulletproofing your body. 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:44.719 Certainly into older age. 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:50.239 I'm not getting any younger, but I'm probably the fittest I've ever been at the moment. 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:56.000 That's not just Andropilates, that's because I do other training as well, but I have it in my life. 00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:02.559 Not only that, but coupled together with that, I've already touched on it, but it's that it's having that tin time, it's having that 50 minutes of just me. 01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:07.839 And I make it it's very important to me that I don't just instruct in in the studios, I come to classes as well. 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.319 A, because I get some great ideas for how I'm gonna teach. 01:00:10.399 --> 01:00:17.440 So I pinch stuff, and then secondly, it's just improving that practice and it's getting corrected by another instructor, which I really, really enjoy. 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:19.599 I'm not I'm not brilliant, I don't profess to be. 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:20.639 No, none of us are. 01:00:20.799 --> 01:00:22.079 We all need to be taught, you know. 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.960 When I go to class, I'm like, please correct me. 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.039 Like it's like, right, Tim, push your hips through. 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.399 Oh, oh God, there you go. 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:28.719 Right. 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.799 And clients, but also, you know, to some of the things we talked about earlier, Tim. 01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:35.839 Clients love seeing teachers in classes. 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:45.759 Like if you run a studio, like I all my teachers have free classes because it it kind of showcases that A, we're not all perfect, we're all working on our stuff, clients get to know you. 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:50.639 There's something about you've kind of been part of the energetic makeup of the studio as well. 01:00:50.799 --> 01:00:52.079 Like it's a really important thing. 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:57.519 And I do think, as I said earlier, it is the other stuff that will have made a big difference as well. 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.399 But maybe you wouldn't be able to do some of that other stuff without the Pilates. 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:01.679 That's certainly my story. 01:01:01.759 --> 01:01:06.000 And it's it's part of kind of an ecosystem of well-being, isn't it? 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:07.119 I think absolutely right. 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.440 I did a class the day before yesterday with uh with Molly. 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:11.599 I turned up half hour early because I was teaching afterwards. 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:12.719 There's a spare reformat. 01:01:12.799 --> 01:01:14.079 I was like, I'm gonna jump on. 01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.359 And the gasps from the clients, oh, Tinder joining us, right? 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:18.239 Is it gonna get harder now? 01:01:18.319 --> 01:01:23.119 And he's like, no, he's just gonna join in regular class because he needs to practice as well as well as you guys do. 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.599 And it was a bit of a, it was almost like a penny drop moment for the clients. 01:01:25.759 --> 01:01:27.519 I was like, oh, you guys do it as well. 01:01:27.759 --> 01:01:29.199 Well, yeah, I need to. 01:01:29.359 --> 01:01:33.359 I need I I have a need in me to be good at this, so I need to practice it as well. 01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:34.799 Clients need to see that. 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:35.599 They they do. 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:37.920 I think it's it's a huge thing for clients. 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:42.239 And also, as you said, that hour of Tim Tim is so important for us. 01:01:42.399 --> 01:01:49.039 As studio owners, as teachers, I was asked recently on a panel, like, we know what's the thing that you would advise teachers who are burnout? 01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:55.679 I said, maybe actually do some Pilates because I would imagine most of us aren't doing it, and the whole panel was like, oh no, we're not doing it. 01:01:55.759 --> 01:01:56.399 I was like, Yeah. 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:07.759 Remember, remember when you and something I say on my teacher training is remember that it's important to always be a client because it's like you said, it's good for you in so many ways. 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.480 Um, and you know, there's a reason we fell in love with this. 01:02:10.559 -->

01:02:15.920 You still want to be the guy on the mat doing your work that made you fall in love with it and remembering that. 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:17.440 Definitely, yeah, definitely. 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.399 So, Tim, what's kind of coming up for you at Vagamon Pilates? 01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:21.679 Is there any new plans? 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.519 We've got a few things in the pipeline, but two that are really sort of close to my heart. 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.199 First one's a retreat we're doing next year. 01:02:27.279 --> 01:02:28.960 We're doing our first foreign retreat. 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.920 Natural choice for me and Minnie was to have it in Cyprus. 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:33.519 Millie was born there for starters. 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:38.159 Second, we lived there for three years and love the island, love the people, food, the culture. 01:02:38.319 --> 01:02:39.679 So for us, that was a no-brainer. 01:02:39.839 --> 01:02:40.559 It was a natural choice. 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:41.759 It's not that far away either. 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.879 Millie and Molly went out recently for a recce girls week. 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.399 Uh, they had a brilliant time out there. 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:48.319 Um, so that's happening next year. 01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:52.239 And then the second one, which is really my partnership with the Vagabond, is going online. 01:02:52.799 --> 01:02:54.399 So we'll have an online service. 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:59.039 You can uh it's as much as you eat, or eat as much as you want, rather, pay a normal fee, and then you're good. 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.519 And it's you can take Vagabond with you wherever you are. 01:03:01.759 --> 01:03:05.599 That's important to me and Millie because we've been deployed places where there is nothing else. 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:09.279 There's nothing apart from work, sleep, and occasional bit of food. 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:14.879 So to have that on a tablet or a mobile, you can take it away with you and still keep up with your Pilates practice. 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:15.759 I think that's great. 01:03:15.839 --> 01:03:18.000 So they're two pretty exciting things we've got going at the moment for us. 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.639 Well, Tim, it's been an absolute joy to talk to you. 01:03:20.799 --> 01:03:22.239 Thank you so much for joining me today. 01:03:22.799 --> 01:03:23.359 Thank you for having me. 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.679 You've had my Pilates crush on your show. 01:03:25.759 --> 01:03:27.039 So Tracy Mallet's been on. 01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:28.480 I'm going to be a wow. 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:30.799 Well, I met, you know, I I met Tracy. 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:32.319 Well, I met her at my studio. 01:03:32.399 --> 01:03:36.799 I am I I'd had a couple of glasses of wine one night and was like, I just opened a new location. 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.960 I was like, I'm gonna meet I'm gonna message Tracy and see if she'll come and teach a workshop. 01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:42.239 And she went, yeah, I'll come. 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:48.639 So I met her and then I said, Listen, I've been having this idea of this podcast, and she was the one actually who really because that's who she is. 01:03:48.799 --> 01:03:50.719 She's such an empower, she empowers you. 01:03:50.799 --> 01:03:52.399 She's like, you should do this, it'd be really good. 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:58.000 And then at the beginning of the year, I actually got to go to her studio and interview her there. 01:03:58.159 --> 01:03:59.440 And that was just so cool. 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:08.480 And and that's what's been amazing about this project, really, is I get to to meet all my artists crushes and kind of have conversations with them under the guise of a podcast. 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:10.399 But really, you know, when do you ever get to chat like this? 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:12.079 So it's it's been a joy, so I'm glad. 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.599 But yeah, people love that episode, it went massively viral, as you can imagine. 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:17.119 So it's a great one. 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:17.599 Yeah. 01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:19.039 But Tim, thank you so much, my love. 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:20.079 Thank you. 01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:20.879 Love to meet you. 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.639 Tim, thank you so much for joining me on this week's episode. 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:26.159 I really enjoyed our conversation. 01:04:26.399 --> 01:04:30.159 If you have enjoyed today's episode, please make sure you help us out. 01:04:30.319 --> 01:04:34.239 Please follow Beyond the Reformer on your podcast platform or go on to other ones and do it. 01:04:34.319 --> 01:04:35.359 That would really help me out. 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.399 Subscribe on YouTube, even if you don't listen, it really helps us. 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.599 And share the episode with someone you think would get something from it. 01:04:41.759 --> 01:04:46.000 All these things are what you can do to help me keep going with this Beyond the Reformer project. 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:50.079 You can find us on Instagram at Beyond underscore reforma underscore pod. 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.559 I'll share clips and continue lots of these conversations. 01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:55.199 You can also subscribe to our newsletter via there. 01:04:55.279 --> 01:04:57.599 I'm gonna be doing lots more behind the scenes coming up. 01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.000 I need to just find some time to do it, but it is coming. 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:05.039 And I will see you next week for another episode of Beyond the Reformer. 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:06.000 Thanks so much for being here. 01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:06.639 See you soon. 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:06.879 Bye.