บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Building Clinical Confidence and Avoiding Burnout with Lindsay Hill

00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:05.480 Like, because I always thought I wouldn't like be private practice having to be like the final say on everything. 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.560 Like that just kind of shut me down. 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.840 And I was like, well, I'll always kind of wonder if I don't try. 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:20.840 So I ended up launching a private practice, and I knew I kind of wanted to create like some education, like educational programs. 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:35.400 And when I was asked to do it at an hourly rate, I kind of started thinking, like, well, I could do that, or I could just like make this make some of the stuff myself, which I've since found out is very very hard creating like educational content. 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.199 Like it's a lot harder than it sounds. 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:45.639 But anyway, so yeah, just kind of was like this messy transition of just like Yeah, yeah. 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:53.720 Well, let's talk about so the community, like community mental health and then corporate, because I feel like even as a therapist, we go through that same trajectory a little bit. 00:05:53.800 --> 00:06:04.120 Like we get out of school, we usually go community mental health, and that kind of burns us out because it's like also the most acute, it seems to be like the hardest population is where we start as therapists. 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:10.920 I don't know if that was similar for nurse practitioners, but then for me it was you know, like, okay, maybe I'll go work private, like maybe that'll be different. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.199 But that even burns you out, right? 00:06:12.280 --> 00:06:21.879 Because it's like a culture and a schedule and like bosses and people, like I don't know what of it like burned you out, like even trying to switch from different corporate place to different corporate place. 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:23.879 We're not all cut out for that type of thing. 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.319 So it's really cool that you finally figured out I need to do something different. 00:06:27.400 --> 00:06:33.319 And then COVID hits, and then an injury hits, and it's just like that's the springboard, it sounds like. 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:34.199 I think so. 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.960 You know, there is another variable as I'm thinking through this that kind of happened. 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:42.199 I'm a very like play by the rules kind of person, do what I think I'm supposed to do. 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.120 And kind of during this time, my sister became a psych NP. 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:51.800 And she's she has just a lot of like more natural confidence, I would say. 00:06:51.960 --> 00:06:59.960 And so, like for her, she's like, I'm gonna work part-time and I'm gonna work telehealth when I graduate, which is kind of like controversial, you know. 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.759 Like, it's like I was kind of judging her. 00:07:02.840 --> 00:07:05.160 I'm like, go in the trenches like I did. 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:06.199 Like, what do you mean? 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:11.960 But she's done it and her life situation, you know, it makes sense for where she's at. 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:18.040 She's like honoring her life situation and all kinds of things that she deals with with in her life. 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:19.879 Because we all have our own journeys, right? 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.280 We all have our own things that we're dealing with day to day. 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.879 So it's like you kind of have to honor what's right for you in that season. 00:07:25.960 --> 00:07:31.800 And sometimes it doesn't look like what you may have put on yourself as far as an expectation. 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:37.240 So I think that actually is because we had job shared a corporate job, my sister and I. 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:42.920 And I was the one who was like, Well, let's see if we can job share and you could be part-time. 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:47.240 And I'm like, it's I don't know, it just kind of came to be like that. 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.960 So I think that also gave me confidence. 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:58.040 Once you like left school and then kind of went in these structured work environments and then tried or went out on your own into private practice. 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:07.160 What did you find was the gap between like what school taught you all in nurse practitioner school versus what an actual practice needed to have run? 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:09.240 All those skills maybe you didn't get in school. 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.639 What was the gap there that you've discovered? 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:17.960 Pretty massive because I don't remember learning a lot in school about billing or reimbursement. 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:26.439 Now, granted, like I am an out-of-pocket provider, and part of that was feeling burned out with like insurances. 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.400 I think that was one of the things I thought might be different in private. 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:39.960 And and it was a little bit different at first, but then I then they sold to a company and I saw it all coming down the pipeline again of like the paperwork and the administrative hassle and everything like that. 00:08:40.199 --> 00:08:44.279 So yeah, I just marketing, marketing yourself. 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:50.199 Like I had kind of just tried to be really behind the scenes, you know, working in mental health. 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.360 It's like I didn't want to put myself out there. 00:08:52.439 --> 00:08:55.480 Like I didn't want to be seen, kind of. 00:08:55.559 --> 00:09:03.639 And then it was almost like liberating to go, like, okay, well, what if you just did like make yourself a little bit seen? 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:05.080 Like, what's the worst that would happen? 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.759 Like, if you're not answering to anybody, it's not like you can get in trouble. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.000 You might have to deal

with the consequences. 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:20.519 So it kind of became like a challenge to myself, too, of like, just try something different, see what happens and see how it goes. 00:09:20.680 --> 00:09:25.240 So, yeah, I got on social media and my mom would be the only one on there watching me. 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.639 And my family was like, What are you doing? 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:29.240 This is kind of funny. 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:33.320 But I just kind of stayed consistent, you know, and it it it paid off. 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:46.759 But for sure, there's a massive gap as far as like what you learn in school, and then being able to just launch a practice when it comes to billing, infrastructure, administrative support, you know, how long are the appointments gonna be? 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.720 Are you gonna hire your virtual assistant? 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:52.440 Like, there's just a lot of practical things. 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:59.560 I think working in the corporate environments that I did helped me in a variety of those to see kind of how they did things, right? 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.399 Like learn some of the behind the scenes just from working for them. 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:05.399 So that that definitely helped me out. 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:19.080 But I had a lot of just kind of jumping in and trying something and it and a lot of times it wasn't the right thing, but I learned that way too from like taking action steps instead of just kind of being paralyzed in fear and not taking any action steps. 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:20.360 That makes so much sense. 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:27.879 Yeah, and I was just gonna ask you now that you're coaching nurse practitioners going through the same process, like what are some of those initial struggles? 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.759 Is it like, should I be insurance-based, not insurance-based? 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.320 Do I telehealth in person? 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.879 Like, I just wonder what are the major, maybe top three or four that you see right now when somebody's just coming into this. 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.519 Well, a big one is clinical confidence. 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.519 And you know, we don't have a residency like psychiatrists do. 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:51.240 So we don't have like that really structured transition support. 00:10:51.560 --> 00:10:56.279 A lot of us just feel like we're just kind of like, wait, what? 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:58.759 Now I'm supposed to go do this job and prescribe? 00:10:58.919 --> 00:10:59.960 Like, what do you mean? 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:05.480 Like it's very jarring, and that's a big reason why I built my boot camp as a transition to practice program. 00:11:05.560 --> 00:11:10.600 So clinical confidence is a huge one that people that psych and peas struggle with. 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:15.639 Also, yeah, knowing like what setting should I start out on in? 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:17.560 Where should I go for mentorship? 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:26.120 Like, should I try to get this mentorship at the job that I get hired by, or should I do one of these mentorship programs, which are really a new thing? 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:35.320 I mean, I hadn't even heard of a mentorship program until I went online as a psych NP, which was, I don't know, 2021, maybe. 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.320 So mentorship is a big one. 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:44.600 Also, more so people are asking more questions about like, should I be working full-time patient care hours? 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:49.879 Or like, should I be trying to kind of do other things for income too? 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:56.200 Because I will say, like, even 10 years in, because I have 10 years of experience, like it's still heavy emotionally. 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.600 Like the work itself is heavy, you know. 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:07.879 For me, one of the things I found to be true is like I do a lot better with the different revenue streams, with the not seeing patients 7 a.m. 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.440 to 5 p.m., back to back to back to back. 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:15.080 Like I can give better care, I can take better care of myself, better care of my family. 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.039 So that was one of the things that I learned. 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.919 But really, there wasn't a lot of people doing that until it seems like recently. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:29.240 And it's almost like with the pandemic and people going to telehealth, because I had never thought about working telehealth on to be honest. 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:30.600 That wasn't a big thing either. 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:35.480 It kind of gave people permission almost to think about, like, oh wow. 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:40.840 People had different opinions and thoughts and responded differently, obviously, to that shift, right? 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.759 So it was that was hard to kind of figure out like what's the right thing. 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:46.919 Cause I'm always looking, what's the right thing to do next? 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:47.720 You know what I mean? 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:48.440 Like, right, right. 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.440 What do the best psych NPs do? 00:12:50.680 --> 00:12:51.159 You know? 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:53.960 So I kind of stopped playing by the rules a little bit, I guess. 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.680 And it sounds like you really took into account like what kind of lifestyle do I want to have? 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.279 Like the seven, seven a.m. 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:01.240 to five p.m. 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.799 clients back to back is not gonna work for me. 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:09.399 Probably learned that from the corporate world, I guess, where they probably try to cram in as many clients as they can, or patients. 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.600 I guess you call them patients, or or do you do you call them patients or clients? 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varied artist. 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:15.720 It's varied. 00:13:16.680 --> 00:13:24.200 Yeah, like but I imagine, I mean, and and then getting that like established that yeah, I don't want to live this lifestyle. 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.840 I need to figure out another way to do this and still make a good living and all of that stuff. 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:29.560 Yeah. 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:31.720 Right, right, yeah. 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:36.759 So it's definitely been a transition and like an identity. 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:45.320 There's like a there was an identity crisis for sure because there was guilt there as far as like just feeling like what I should be doing, you know, am I selling out? 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:50.519 Like, am I just trying to like live this fluffy lifestyle that's superficial? 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.360 That's not necessarily the goal. 00:13:52.600 --> 00:14:06.279 Like, yeah, I want more time with my son and to be like flexible, but I really had to go back to like my why, my purpose, and it's something that I revisit frequently because it's easy to get off track, you know, as opportunities present themselves. 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:07.080 It's easy. 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:17.240 And I think I've been a very historically reactive person instead of being kind of intentional with what I want for my life and whatnot. 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:18.279 So gotcha. 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.519 So it was more like okay, I'm responding, I've got a head injury or the pandemic. 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:30.440 Like I'm responding to events instead of looking at it ahead of time and deciding this is like the lifestyle I want to live and let me build it out that way. 00:14:30.680 --> 00:14:31.159 Exactly. 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:31.720 Gotcha. 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:32.279 Exactly. 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:32.919 Gotcha. 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:48.200 And I'm guessing now that you've got that perspective, it's easier to help the new MPs that are coming through to be able to like start from that model, possibly like like lifestyle modeling their practice around that instead of the cookie cutter, this is how you do this kind of thing. 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:49.080 Exactly. 00:14:49.240 --> 00:15:11.399 And I think it's just like this balancing act because there is a lot of controversy in within just even being a psych NP and what that means, because so many people started becoming a psych NP when the pandemic hit and more of these poor for-profit programs popped up that weren't necessarily like having stand we don't have standardized education. 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:24.519 So that's a big like criticism that we get, which there's a lot of variables out there that make it to where it's really important for me to like try to help the field, you know what I mean? 00:15:24.680 --> 00:15:37.080 A lot of judgments too, as far as like, oh, you know, becoming a psych and pee once it was like a popular thing to do, and when you could travel, kind of like travel nursing was like a trend kind of thing. 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:52.039 Um so there's just like a lot of comments that get made on social media too, like, oh, psych and peas are just doing it for the money, or there's just a lot that you kind of have to wade through and that I have to think about because I want to be intentional with what I'm promoting. 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:57.799 I don't just want to be like just promoting things to try to sell things just because, you know. 00:15:58.360 --> 00:15:59.799 Absolutely, so interesting. 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.759 Getting into the weeds here, getting off on these rabbit trails. 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:04.279 No, no, it's great. 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:11.960 I mean, it's it's super helpful because I'm sure people listening, other MPs listening, are feeling the same way if they're in the beginning or have felt the same way. 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:13.080 I can totally relate to that. 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:18.519 Because I I, you know, being a therapist, I know we have a lot of controversies too, controversial things too. 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:29.799 And it's really hard to step outside of that box and be brave and like follow, you know, the beat of your own drum kind of thing when there's so many naysayers in your ear all the time about it should be this way or it should be done that way. 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:30.600 Exactly. 00:16:32.680 --> 00:16:37.399 Yeah, and you being brave to do that and then create something to put it out there to teach other people. 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.200 I think it's amazing to set that path for people. 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:40.759 Yeah. 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:41.480 Thank you. 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:48.279 It was definitely scary because um I'm somebody too who like I don't I hated public speaking. 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.279 I really hated public speaking and just kind of honestly just being seen. 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:59.560 Like I've just been like an under the radar person that like which is funny now because I'm not I'm so not under the radar anymore. 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.879 And my sister would laugh if she heard me say, You're not, she'd be like, You're not under the radar. 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.000 But I feel like I was for a long time. 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:08.279 I totally get that. 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:09.799 I'm the same way, actually. 00:17:09.879 --> 00:17:11.000 It's it's pretty funny. 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:26.519 But once you set your mind to it, and then I don't know about you, but once I set my mind to it and it's like I've you know, I've got this passion, I feel like like pressure, like I want to spread the word and help other people be able to like transition this way and not be stuck in that exhaustive burnout model, right? 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:27.960 Yeah, exactly. 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:35.240 And I think to one of my bosses who, like I said, had less clinical experience, but like had scaled a group

practice, sold it. 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:55.640 He was also the one who introduced me to like home exchange, which has been like really life-changing for us as a family, like a more like oh and I'm not getting paid to say this, like I'm not an affiliate for home exchange or anything like that, but like just the opportunities to like be able to travel for like a month at a time, you know, as a family when you have kids is pretty incredible. 00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:02.599 But he was he modeled that, like as far as he was going to travel for a month, or you know, and I'm like, wait, what? 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.559 You own this practice, yeah, yeah. 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:12.279 So I think just kind of so good modeling for other people that, yeah, it doesn't have to look one certain way. 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:14.519 So you made the decision at some point. 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.200 I'm not gonna work the schedule. 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.440 I want to have other income streams. 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.640 You're doing the Psych and P boot camp already. 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:29.720 Are you teaching like scaling strategies in the boot camp on how to maybe scale it to other income streams to help reduce the burnout? 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:36.440 Yes, it's kind of like become more a part of it just as a result of people asking me. 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:47.799 Like there are people who have joined the boot camp who don't even really necessarily need the clinical aspect, and they're just like drawn to my community because they're like, Well, what how did you do that? 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.440 And you know, I haven't really had like an offering for that per se. 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.440 So I've okay, interesting. 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:59.559 Yeah, I kind of like weaved, weaved that in and just, you know, it's something I want to talk more about. 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:04.920 And I'm getting more into like business coaching with that a little bit because it's really fun. 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:16.440 We've my husband and I have just like helped people recently for for just like friends of ours with like getting set up for their revenue streams and seeing them make money, like we love it. 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.680 We're like, this is so cool. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.000 Like, this is yeah, like stand store. 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:31.400 I'm like nerding out about stand store right now because stand store has made it easier for me to sell my offers, and sales isn't something that you get taught in school. 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:40.200 Like, no, it's not just creating a course or creating a you know, like you have to market it, people have to know about it, like you get eyeballs, yeah. 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:41.480 And how does that happen? 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:47.880 Maybe you could talk about stand store, like you know, I I've read about it too and been curious about it for products and that sort of thing. 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.240 So, how do you use Stand Store as an entrepreneur? 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.440 And and like, what do you what are your products on your Stand Store? 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:56.759 Maybe we just cover those so we could talk about them a little bit. 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:58.120 Everything that you've diversified. 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:00.359 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.640 So the bootcamp is on there primarily. 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.160 Okay, that's kind of my main flagship core offer, right? 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:14.519 But even just like having a streamlined landing page, like because I've had different checkout pages for my boot camp. 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.240 I've had it on different tech platforms. 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:19.640 I was on Mighty Network for a little. 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.759 I was on it was like a Go High level product, basically. 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:29.559 And it wasn't very uh effective at like converting my leads and it wasn't very user-friendly. 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:36.200 And so to find stand something that I can actually set up, like I don't have to pay somebody. 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:44.599 It's it's like that basic, that intuitive, to set up a landing page to try out an offer is kind of like mind blowing. 00:20:44.759 --> 00:21:03.640 So even recently, like I've licensed some content that's kind of like the next level of the boot camp as far as like difficulty-wise, but being able to like test out offers of like even an upsell for like somebody who's in the boot camp who's coming to me anyway, wanting these things, right? 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.120 Yeah, but like figuring out how to do it. 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:13.400 Or another example would be now that I've started sharing about Stan Storm, all these providers are coming to me. 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:19.880 And so my husband and I got on a call this morning with somebody and we put together an offer for a VIP day. 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:20.599 Nice. 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:22.039 And I just did that this morning. 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:39.319 I don't know if she's gonna purchase it or not, but like the fact that you can do something that quickly is super incredible because how you package an offer, I've realized, learning from people like Alex Hermozzi and stuff like that matters. 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:55.960 And I think people give up too soon before they don't realize that like changing the title of a program can really change a price point a little bit, like changing these things until it's so with Stan, you can iterate, you know, and you can do it pretty like intuitively. 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:01.799 So I'm I'm kind of obsessed with it, and I'm nerding out that like the founder reposted my stuff today. 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:04.440 I'm like, oh my gosh, that's exciting. 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.519 And I'm in the Gary Vee challenge, and I want to go to New York. 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:16.759 I'm very

determined at this point, but you have to make the most sales between like October something and December. 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:22.599 So I've like kind of readjusted some of my launches, and I'm like, I'm I'm here for it, Kim. 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:24.200 Oh my gosh. 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:26.440 Anybody listening, go buy from Lindsay right now. 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.000 Go to her stand store. 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:30.519 We're gonna have the links down in the comments. 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:31.720 That's so exciting. 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:33.000 I'm I'm the same way. 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:42.759 I get addicted to the entrepreneurial like life, the funnels and the, you know, it's it's obsessive, like really for me, because it's it's so easy now with AI. 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:45.319 And hopefully we we could talk about AI a little bit too. 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:58.759 AI makes it so much easier to put these offers out and and just to be able to create like landing pages and products and you know, and then like you said, you talk to somebody on the phone and and they're like it's like god, a VIP offer would be great for her. 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:01.400 Let me create it real quick and put it out, put it out there. 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:06.200 And if she doesn't buy it, somebody else will because it's out there now, you know, which is so cool. 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:07.240 Exactly. 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:13.160 And you can make the landing pages public or private, you know, you can have it on your storefront or not. 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:19.720 And and the templates, you can choose a template that kind of feels like your brand, which is which is nice too. 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.160 So they they look nice. 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:29.799 I think people who maybe thought they couldn't do it like can can do it, you know, which is which is really cool. 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:31.240 It's pretty incredible. 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:32.519 Yeah, I'm having so much fun. 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:46.200 That's really cool because it's like it's like having a niche, having a desire, like you do, even though maybe you don't like the public speaking in the beginning, but having a niche and a desire, and then the the ability to do it so quickly these days is just amazing to me. 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.359 And it gives you so much freedom and space. 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.960 And you can still be a nurse practitioner, but do all this other stuff too. 00:23:52.120 --> 00:23:52.440 Yeah. 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:53.319 Exactly. 00:23:53.480 --> 00:24:00.759 The freedom and space that I have now is like it's I love it so much and I value it so much. 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:02.920 I I'm very grateful. 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:03.480 Yeah. 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:04.279 Yeah. 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:05.400 It's amazing. 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:06.759 So, how about AI? 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:19.480 We always love to talk about AI on this podcast because it's

the Barry's podcast, and we love AI, but are you using AI with your content creation or your pro your NP bootcamp or just in your practice? 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:24.519 How are you using AI in your life, like technology-wise, to help make your life easier? 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.240 Well, I use AI scribes. 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:31.480 I've used almost all of them, like as far as for helping with charting. 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:35.480 I was shocked the first time that I tried freed for the first time. 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:39.480 I was so, I was just with my brother, like here, actually, I think. 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:40.680 And he's a firefighter. 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.120 He was being really obnoxious. 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:46.120 Like, and the note that it put together was like really good. 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:47.559 I'm like, wait, what? 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.000 I was so confused. 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.480 So, anyway, I've tried a lot of different ones. 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:54.359 I I use a kind of PMH scribe sometimes. 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:57.160 I use berries, and it's great. 00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:58.039 It's a great tool. 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:08.279 And I love it's like I don't have to be like typing, typing, typing because I did that for so many years where I just was like typing the entire time and I got pretty good at it. 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:13.640 But it's nice to be able to feel like I can really be present on a different level now with my patients. 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:15.559 So that's a big way that I use it. 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:16.359 What else? 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.000 Oh, content creation. 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.120 Oh my goodness. 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:29.400 Do you know how much time I took on the first iteration of the boot camp with like decks that now I'm like, I need to redo all of those, they aren't even very good. 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:34.279 And I now I have tools that like they will look so much better. 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:36.680 Like, I'm just like shook by that. 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:37.319 You know what I mean? 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.759 Thinking back to making those slides and making those videos. 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:42.200 I'm like, oh wow. 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.599 So I need to like redo a lot of stuff. 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:46.599 I have a lot in the pipeline. 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.160 But what else do I use AI for? 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:50.759 Okay, this is kind of interesting. 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.079 I've been using the audio feature. 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.720 Like I've been going on my walking pad because I'm kind of a verbal processor. 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.680 So I have this career accelerator coming up. 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:10.279 It's an event that I'm doing with two other psych MPs where we're gonna talk about, I'm gonna talk about diversifying revenue streams, marketing, and negotiating. 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:17.160 And

I have been, because it's a new topic for me to talk on, I've been talking to AI a lot about it. 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.960 And I've been kind of like practicing what I want to say. 00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:31.640 And that kind of helped me put together my slide deck, but it's helping me just kind of like process through what I want my main points to be because I've I have a lot to say and I'm not the best at organizing this stuff. 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:37.079 This was part of the problem, the intention that my sister and I had when we put out version one of the boot camp. 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.799 She's like, you can't include everything, like this is getting out of control, you know? 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:55.079 So, anyway, that's really cool to use that like audio feature just for like processing and also practicing, talking about something because I I still do have some of that anxiety with speaking with a lot of eyes on me. 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:56.759 I'm just being able to talk it out loud. 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:05.319 I something I encourage my nurse practitioners to do when they're practicing psychiatric interviewing is like to like practice with somebody or practice saying it out loud, right? 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.120 So that's another way I've been using AI. 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:09.160 What else? 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:20.039 I'm yeah, I'm just kind of learning how to use it more for like potentially, you know, yeah, social media, branding graphics type type stuff. 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.279 You know, I I just try to learn every day. 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:27.799 I remember when Chat GPT came out and my husband was like super obsessed, like day one. 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.680 Yeah, and he was telling everybody, and I was making fun of him because I didn't I didn't get it, you know. 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.200 Now I get it. 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.120 Now I understand. 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.480 It's like, oh yeah. 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.960 I'm trying to think if there's anything. 00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:43.960 I know that there's other things that I use. 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.359 I was using so Stan has an AI feature. 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:57.000 So this morning to write the landing page for the VIP offering, it like scrapes your content and it it helped put that together. 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.160 So I'm using that. 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:06.920 I'm using like some of the note-taking apps, like Fathom, you know, when I'm on calls to kind of that, those are nice. 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:08.839 It helps so much. 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:10.039 So nice. 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:15.160 Just being able to be present in meetings and not be like, oh, I gotta remember that or I gotta write this down, right? 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:16.599 It's pretty incredible. 00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:21.559 Yeah, it's just like I guess my mind's just kind of blown at like the opportunity right now. 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:34.279 Like, I kind of feel like I'm in this moment and time of like, this is like unique, like that we are given these tools, and some people are gonna really use these tools and it really impact a lot of people. 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.440 Inside of your boot camp, do you talk about AI stuff much? 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:46.839 Or or is it more like let's talk about like the the beginning strategies and all that, just for the nurse practitioners listening that might want to know more about the boot camp. 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.039 What could they expect if they jumped into that program? 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:50.519 Okay. 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.400 Because we do live coaching, so a lot of times these questions are coming up anyway. 00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:59.720 And and if you mention that you're using something, they want to know how you're using it. 00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:12.200 I'm also like a huge fan of this product called Headlamp, which is basically like if you're familiar with health information exchange, it's like a prettier version of that, but it's not just that. 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:28.599 It it also is like there's an app for the patient to track how they're progressing, and then the health information exchange pretty version database, like brings all this data together where you can see more clearly, like, oh, we started this med here. 00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:36.279 This is when their sleep started changing, because it also tracks like information from their Aura Ring and Apple Health. 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:42.599 And so to get more of those, like, I'm a big nerd with like visuals, graphs, because that's what really speaks to me. 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:52.440 So I'm like, if I have this to show my patients, like, oh, they can see now how cutting back on alcohol just by two beers a week, they can see how their sleeps change. 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.319 Like, that's really what drives behavior change, right? 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.680 Like changing the behavior, seeing a pro, a con. 00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:03.799 So huge fan of Headlamp, and they're like just their product's gonna get better and better and better. 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:05.079 So cool. 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:06.440 Oh my gosh, I love it. 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:16.839 And then probably I'm guessing the AI is in the background, like culminating all this information to make this like really amazing like outcome or visual for them to be able to see all this. 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:17.799 Exactly. 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:32.920 So my new Psych NPs are especially obsessed, and I would have been too having some information in advance to be able to go, well, even a patient I had an intake this week who couldn't remember what SSRI she had been on, and being able to look, oh, it was Prozac. 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:34.039 That was super helpful for me. 00:30:34.120 --> 00:30:35.400 She wouldn't, she couldn't recall it. 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:36.839 This was

actually our second appointment. 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:45.160 So it that was helpful information for me to know, like I wanted to prescribe Zoloft in this instance, or you know, health conditions, diagnoses. 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.400 So it's really helpful to have more of that information in one place. 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.160 Oh my gosh, isn't it amazing? 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:57.079 If you think back, it's like, oh my gosh, we used to just have to remember all this and try to piece it together in our brains. 00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:58.440 I'm wow. 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:00.839 I'm I'm shook when I think about it. 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.359 I know it's amazing. 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:03.640 And then how far it's gonna come? 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.720 I mean, this is like just the beginning, you know? 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.720 Thank you so much for being here today. 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.480 It was amazing having you as a guest. 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.400 I loved learning about everything you're doing. 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:12.599 So, how do people find you? 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.480 If they want to find your stand store or join your MP boot camp, how do they connect with you? 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:24.599 Psych NP CEO is my handle that I have on like Instagram, TikTok, YouTube. 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.759 So just search for that and you'll you'll find me in it. 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.720 My stand store is like my link in my bio and stuff. 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:36.519 So I would love that if people come follow along for the journey. 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:42.120 I try to share kind of transparently as I'm going through things the best that I can, you know. 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.000 I love that. 00:31:43.160 --> 00:32:00.359 I think that makes it so much more relatable to see somebody that's already like walked the path, had the pitfalls, had the trouble, figured out how to like do this thing around your lifestyle and any of those, you know, problems that come up, the controversies of being an MP or having a diverse lifestyle or something like that, you know. 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.599 So I think that's really cool that you're putting that out there for nurse practitioners because I really don't see it a lot. 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.160 Now, the therapist world is doing great with it, but nurse practitioners, I don't see a lot of that. 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:16.599 So I think it's really cool that you're out there helping other nurse practitioners not burn out and figure out how to do all the things. 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:17.480 Thank you. 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:18.920 I appreciate that a lot. 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:19.799 You're welcome. 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.160 Thanks for being again. 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.240 Between sessions is brought to you by Berries because clinicians deserve support too. 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:36.759 To learn how berries can help you streamline your notes, if you're stressed, and make space for what matters most, visit heyberries.com.