บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Sunil Bhaskaran: Forgiveness, Purpose, AI & What It Means to Be Human

72 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.879 occurred at a young age. One at a very young 73 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:28.240 age where I was sexually abused by a distant relative. Secondly, 74 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.240 I made a mistake when I was young and I 75 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.360 went to a military prison for a couple of weeks. 76 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:40.680 And in the first instance, obviously it was a sexual 77 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.000 abuse at the age of eight that led to me 78 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.160 holding on to a secret for a long time my family. 79 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.439 And then the second case, I watched good friends of 80 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.920 mine and myself and kind of watch myself experience myself 81 00:04:55.079 --> 00:05:02.120 being tortured and kind of unnecessarily so, but we were tortured, 82 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.439 and it was an experience of someone you know, wanting 83 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.800 to kill you. But the first time the ten well 84 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:14.319 tender age for me, tender age of eighteen. To make 85 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.360 a long story short, because it has a it has 86 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:23.160 a good ending, and it's so far which is you know, 87 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:28.879 I went through a process of mentoring, very deep therapy. 88 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.519 I climbed every inch of that ladder of human every inch, 89 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:34.879 like every inch and I mean that a lot of 90 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.199 times it was very painful. Sometimes it was exhausting, but 91 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.639 I climbed every inch of that ladder to the point 92 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:47.800 where I had thick completion, you could say, if you 93 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:53.360 could call it that, where I reunited the person who 94 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.560 abused me with my family, and my family came to 95 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:00.439 know what happened, and they forgave him. Except for person, 96 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:05.480 they forgave him and despite him denying that it happened, 97 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:12.360 and it restored for me at least my connection with 98 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.399 my family, et cetera. The second instance, I actually went 99 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.079 back to the place where I was tortured, at a 100 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.720 country where I was tortured, and I found the people 101 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:24.759 who had tortured me, and most of them some of 102 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:29.920 them had disappeared or died, but I found the ones 103 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.480 who were still there and held them to account in 104 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:37.920 a very cool way, but in a rigorous way, and 105 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.319 then forgave them. And just to give you a sense, 106 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:47.879 these guys cried when they saw they knew what they 107 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:49.920 had

done to me, and they said, I remember you. 108 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:54.920 All of them said that. And so it was it 109 00:06:55.079 --> 00:07:00.120 was a real, real completion. Not you know that, know 110 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.160 it was a real completion, and that led to a 111 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:09.519 series of awakened you could say, where every day was 112 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.120 an inquiry for me, and I got very intrigued about 113 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.639 a field of philosophy called ontology, which is the study 114 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.879 of the question what does it mean to be really? 115 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:22.879 And part of it, obviously is what does it mean 116 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:26.399 to be human? To be human? We think of human 117 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:30.240 beings first name human mostly, which is feelings and thoughts 118 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.199 and ideas and opinions, but the being part has rarely 119 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.680 been explored. And so I studied this field of philosophy. 120 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.120 I had a mentor inside of that. It was also 121 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:45.040 a zen Buddhist monk, and he taught me This combination 122 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:52.120 of Zen and ontology was extremely useful and for a business, 123 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.759 and we created a business that was very successful. We 124 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.199 sold it and made a lot of money for me. 125 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.879 But apart from the results, which will certainly breakthrough results, 126 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.319 there was also this kind of like settling, you know, 127 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:13.120 a comfort with myself and with other people. I could 128 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:17.040 say kind of like I was okay with life being 129 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.240 insignificant and not making it too significant other it's not 130 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:25.720 adding drama where it's not necessary. I started asking, I 131 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:28.000 started finding out what's so about my life? But also 132 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:32.480 asking a question, so what not so what as dismissive, 133 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:36.639 but so what as what's really important for me? And 134 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:41.559 in the course of that inquiry, I, like a lot 135 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.960 of other people who were in exploration, they start looking 136 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.240 at what are my true values? What are the things 137 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:51.759 that are really important for me? So the six that 138 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:57.159 I quoted are really a product of very deep, rigorous 139 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:04.600 inquiry over years. Wow, you know, and many many conversations 140 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:09.000 with mentors and people that I've coached, writings that I've done. 141 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:14.000 A lot of writing really is about thinking very deeply 142 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:19.679 and experiencing life very deeply and then having thoughts from that. So, 143 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:25.159 you know, I've balanced out what I experienced as a 144 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:30.159 truth in my real life against these six cornerstones. And 145 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.279 I discovered that one thing I wasn't really that concerned 146 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:38.919 about in life was or not as much, was this 147 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:44.600 whole idea of making it. You know. I discovered at 148 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:48.080 some point, fortunately, that the letters I was trying to 149 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.799 climb to get to the other side. You know, my ambitions, 150 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:53.279 et cetera, were not going to get me to the 151 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.480 other side. They would get me somewhere. Listen, it's the 152 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.559 power and ambition, But it wasn't going to get me 153 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.639 to that nirvana state that I thought, Oh, the heavens 154 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:07.200 will open up, and you know, and that realization was 155 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.679 a little depressing, but at the same time it was freeing, 156 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.840 like it was a relief. I didn't have to prove myself. 157 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:19.039 I didn't have to defend anything, and there was kind 158 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.960 of like an unprotected state about me, like, you know, 159 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.159 there was nothing to defend. Protect, Yeah, Harry fight, you know, 160 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.840 I didn't have to do any of that anymore. And 161 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:30.919 if I didn't have to do that anymore, what would 162 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:31.240 I do? 163 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:32.120 Yeah? 164 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.559 And so that inquiry led to what would I do, 165 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.919 who would I be? What would I what context would 166 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:44.440 I come from? And that started opening up these six cornerstones. 167 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:49.279 And there were other cornerstones initially, but they were based 168 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:53.759 more on my past need for survival or you could 169 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:57.159 say false ambition in some sense, the things that I 170 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.879 thought I needed to do or accomplish, but that were 171 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:04.159 that important when I look back on it. And so 172 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.879 in the course of inquiring looking at what was really important, 173 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.240 one thing that kept coming up for me was my creativity, 174 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.200 which is actually arguably my favorite son. You know, it's 175 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:19.240 the thing I the it's creativity if it was a being, 176 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.279 it would be the one that's always by me. It's

177 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:27.120 my creativity and I've always been like that from a 178 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:32.919 young age. My my my recollection, not's necessarily a biological memory. 179 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.159 A recollection was of me being in my mother's womb, 180 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.120 and you know, she was listening to Indian music and 181 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:43.080 she was dancing, and she could feel me coming to 182 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.519 the world, and she was waiting to welcome me in 183 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.240 the world. And there's a lot of love and I recall, 184 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.759 not remember necessarily, but kind of recalling. This came to 185 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.639 me many dreams. So I'm not trying to say I'm 186 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.639 a spiritual guru or anything like that, but it came 187 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.120 to me many dreams that that was the seed of 188 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.879 my creativity. It became a curiosity about who is this 189 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:10.120 being that wants been had so much coming to the world? Why, 190 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:15.919 why is she so curious about me? Who am I? What? What? 191 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:18.720 What is this music about? And I could even feel 192 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.759 the rhythm, and up to this day, I'm a fairly 193 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.440 good drummer, you know, because I feel I feel, I 194 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.679 can feel a rhythm in something, I can feel a 195 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.240 rhythm in how you speak or someone else speaks, and 196 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.720 so there's a lot of creativity that's wound up in 197 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:40.399 rhythm and timing and and memories of uh, feminine versus 198 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:45.000 masculine and all of that. Ah. And you know, the 199 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:50.639 creativity also gave gave birth to this inquiry of what 200 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.840 does it mean to have a lot? What does it mean? Why? 201 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.840 Why is that so important? And why do people get 202 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:02.039 caught up in the money world item as well? And 203 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:07.039 is there another context to abundance that's more free? Because 204 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.440 when I look at the clients that I served, many 205 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.440 of them were not free, not all of them. Many 206 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.480 of them were not free in their pursuit of money. 207 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.759 They were in a prison themselves of envy, of jealousy, 208 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.799 of wanting more, no matter what it was. And they 209 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.039 were told they had to be ambitious, and so they 210 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.480 were in a prison, and instead of enjoying themselves, they 211 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:34.440 were starkly unhappy. Why is that? So that inquiry opened 212 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:39.200 up and led to abundance, and then you know, so 213 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.919 on and so forth. You know, integrity was initially a 214 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.159 prison as well, because I started only looking at the 215 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.360 integrity is what's right and what is wrong? And there 216 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.039 was no flexibility. In fact, there was a lot of 217 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.000 chaos and lack of order. You could say it, but 218 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.600 you know, so, yeah, I feel like I'm talking a lot. 219 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:08.039 It's fascinating because what I see is a mirror of 220 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:11.759 what you've gone through, not obviously your trauma. I've been 221 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.919 blessed not to have that much trauma. I've had some, 222 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.360 but not that much. And also the fact that you 223 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:23.679 let that go is just beyond special and it takes something. 224 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.320 And but then when you have that power to let 225 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.559 something go like that, then you have to use that 226 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:33.039 power for good. And that's where you've tuned it into, 227 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.600 You've channeled it into what you're doing now. 228 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:39.200 And I'd be very honest with you. 229 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.639 It may have been more relistic at some point, like 230 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:45.360 I thought that I had to do good with it, 231 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.519 but it came to a very truthful point where I 232 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.600 couldn't give a rat ass a quarter of a right 233 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.679 brats ask whether I did good or not. Came to 234 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.200 a point where I realized that even that was kind 235 00:14:58.240 --> 00:14:59.919 of a trap for me. I'm not talking for any 236 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.200 body else. I can't and I hope nobody takes offense 237 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.639 at this because it's not directed at anybody. It's something 238 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.919 I saw for myself. That that was a trap for me. 239 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.320 And when I saw that, it opened up the world 240 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:19.519 of choice, really truly choosing something because you chose it 241 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.720 without any reason, Because the moment I had a reason, 242 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:27.279 I could start using that reason to bash people over 243 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:34.159 the head. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, truthfully, it became a choice. 244 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.440 And yeah, there's some good reasons to be creative, for sure, 245 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.480 but you know those reasons are damn good ones. 246 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.320 Well, I was just thinking about the very essence of 247 00:15:46.360

--> 00:15:49.480 who you are and the soul within you if you 248 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.720 took I mean, you've only mentioned the first three so far, 249 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.120 and we'll come to the other three. But creativity, abundance, 250 00:15:55.159 --> 00:16:00.279 and integrity. If, for example, let's take creativity future take 251 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:02.360 that away from you. If that was like, you're not 252 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.600 allowed to be creative anymore, we're taking it away. This 253 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.759 is not something you possess, this ability to be created, 254 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.120 this ability to hear rhythm, this ability to be part 255 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.240 of the music, You would be a shell. There would 256 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:16.440 be nothing left you. 257 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.279 I'd be nothing left. But you know, probably the creativity 258 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:22.240 would kick back again. 259 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.639 Well yeah, but so what I'm saying is the values 260 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.200 you haven't chosen, the values that the values have chosen 261 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.960 you I think that's that's the way I see, and 262 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.120 that's going. So I was just going to say, going 263 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.000 back to choice. I don't know if you've read the 264 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.679 book The Choice by Edith Eager, which is about a 265 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.440 woman that was in a concentration camp and the choices 266 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.840 that she had and the choices that she made throughout 267 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.639 her life. Even when we feel like we have no 268 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:55.919 choice at all, not choosing is also a choice, and 269 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:01.480 that you choosing all of these wonderful values, and anybody 270 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.759 it's listening who's going through that process. It's not a 271 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.880 one off session with your business coach. It's not a 272 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.160 one off session with your psychoanalyst to find what your 273 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.720 values are. As you said, it's taken you years and 274 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.440 years to come to hone in on what these six are. 275 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:22.200 But mean that it's like the building blocks of whose 276 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.359 sunnail is. And when you say these things it might 277 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:29.680 sound flippant, but it carries such a weight for the 278 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.079 person that you have become, the human that you have 279 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.880 generated from a difficult start all the way through to 280 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:39.799 where you are now, and then you are giving to 281 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:41.559 other people now You've not gone. I want to be 282 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.039 a good person, so I'm going to go and give 283 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:47.160 to other people, and you've got a mission to create 284 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.759 one hundred million joyful and successful people. That sounds very 285 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.440 trite when you say it out loud like that, just 286 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.319 as a one off, but the person that you are 287 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.640 and the way you are explaining your values has such 288 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.680 power behind it that anything else you say afterwards, I'm 289 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.720 going to sit here, he's going to do that. It's 290 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:10.799 definitely because I have no doubt. So carry on with 291 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:16.480 where you were. The creativity, the abundance, and integrity are institutionalized. 292 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:18.880 Now that's the wrong word. 293 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:23.240 You could say that constitutionalized. Maybe you know, it became 294 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.240 became part of who I am, right, you know, just 295 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:33.279 like a constitution of any country, you practice it enough times, 296 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.799 you don't have to necessarily, you know, read it out 297 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.880 all out all the time. Uh, it just becomes part 298 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:44.160 and parcel of your country or you. Uh. And so yeah, 299 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.920 you know, if you practice it every day like I do. 300 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:51.119 I mean, I look at my values every day. My selections, 301 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.039 my decisions are all made from the six corner stones, 302 00:18:55.559 --> 00:19:00.519 and so the you know, well, well being became almost 303 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:06.359 a no brainer, especially as I grew older. But the 304 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.880 interesting thing is, you know, all of these cornerstones kind 305 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.160 of work together very well. Found that if I come 306 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:18.559 from abundance and creativity and integrity, from what's missing, being 307 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.799 becomes what would address my being becomes a rather simple 308 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.559 and easy answer. You know, most people when I think 309 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.960 of well being of people that I've interacted, but they say, well, 310 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:30.799 I have to work out eighteen times a day and 311 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.599 something crazy. You know, it's usually comes from their survival needs. 312 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.559 But if you really are present, and you've got a 313 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:47.319 lot of your past based ambitions or complaints, you know, 314 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.960 dramas that have been resolved, you have a more empty mind. 315 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.039 You know, tabula rasas what they call it in Latin. 316 00:19:56.079 -->

00:19:59.319 It's a black slate from which you can't paint anything 317 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.119 you want. So for me, while being became this blank 318 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.799 slate that I could paint on, or canvas I could 319 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:10.400 paint on. So what would that look like? So, you know, 320 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.759 when I looked at it, I got really excited about 321 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:18.519 doing these Japanese style exercises every day. The Japanese are 322 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.640 very wise about their aging, and so they do you know, 323 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.440 I do like sometimes a quarter of an hour to 324 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.039 thirty minutes max. But I do it every day more 325 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.599 or less I walk a little bit, take my time. 326 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.480 I run a little bit because I enjoy running. I 327 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:40.960 do a bit of hopping and skipping, and I do 328 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:46.279 these tai Chi moves, some Indian yoga moves, and it's 329 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:51.039 just enough, you know, to and some strength exercises, et cetera. 330 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.559 And it's just enough, you know, to keep the body 331 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.759 moving and the mind alert. And I don't have to 332 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:01.759 us out. I don't have to go to the gym 333 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.599 or anything like that. I don't have to I don't 334 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.359 have to have to do anything. It returns to choice, 335 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:11.680 but it's an easy choice for me. There's a lot 336 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.160 of flow to it. And when I miss something, I 337 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:20.160 don't go you know, crazy or anything like that. So 338 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:23.839 that's wellness. And then it's making a difference, which is 339 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:28.240 from a choice. Making a difference is a privilege for me, 340 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:32.960 and it's a blessing and a privilege. It's an opportunity 341 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:39.640 to to to make a difference for no reason apart 342 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:41.960 from that you say so, So for me, it's an 343 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.559 act of great creation to do it, because what it 344 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:49.720 used to be was a moral compunction. Then I have 345 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:54.680 to do it, you know, and my my my father 346 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:57.519 and my mother actually were people who love to make 347 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:00.160 a difference for their community. So a lot of that 348 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.880 came from them, and they were very freed up about it. 349 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.440 But I felt like, because they did it, I had 350 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.640 to do it. So I had to break that. I 351 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.319 felt really that I had to break that parental bond 352 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:17.680 and choose for myself, not because well, not so much 353 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.160 because I had to, but if I didn't, I wouldn't 354 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:22.440 have any freedom in doing it. And that kind of 355 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.640 that lack of freedom kind of gets over the people 356 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:26.960 you're trying to make a difference for. 357 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.519 It's an obligation. It's coming from a negative space, isn't it. 358 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.759 Yeah, from a very kind of like almost it's a 359 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.519 North Korean world of making a difference. It's like, you know, 360 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.640 you know, it's an authoritarian with you. 361 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.720 Yeah, you will make a difference. 362 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.200 You will make a difference. Now, shall do it? Now? 363 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:46.640 Yeah? Yeah? 364 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.119 And I got nothing against that except well, you know, 365 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.359 it's just not really freeing for the people you're trying 366 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:58.359 to help, And so that leads to meaningful connection, which 367 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:04.480 for me is you know, it's lacking in the world today. 368 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.480 You know, like, but even my neighborhood, you're in California, 369 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.119 you think California should be really friendly. Necessarily so, and 370 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.200 a lot of urban areas I've been to people don't 371 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.720 really don't really come out and talk to each other. 372 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:25.279 And so for me, meaningful connection is having conversations like this, 373 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.880 you know, which are more about connection intimacy, getting to 374 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:34.119 know people. People are really afraid of intimacy. So I 375 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.039 try to keep as much of an open space around 376 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.000 me when people come and talk to me and share 377 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.640 things that I know they don't share with other people, 378 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:53.519 do my best to suspend any judgment. And so what 379 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:57.359 does it mean to have meaningful connection? Is like all 380 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:00.240 the other cornerstones and ongoing question, you know, like what 381 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.039 does it mean to have integrity? What does it mean? 382 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.920 What does it imply? Is that really still being truthful 383 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.319 to who you are? Who are you? Anyway? 384 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.359 And I already imagine does that change from day to day? 385 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.960 You find? You know, who am I to be creative 386 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.400 is going to be different from one day to another day, 387 00:24:20.480 -->

00:24:22.960 depending on what your situation is. 388 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.799 Initially many years ago, there was a lot of changes 389 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.799 almost every day, I mean, you know, and to some 390 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:36.359 extent my sometimes the game changes for me quite quite rapidly, 391 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.200 like almost every three months. Sometimes now it's coming down 392 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.759 to almost every week where the game change because you know, 393 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:52.640 I'm playing pretty big games, and so things open up, 394 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.000 you know, and opportunities open up. Breakdowns occur, and I 395 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:01.880 have to address those breakdowns almost every day, either for 396 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:05.119 myself or the leaders that I help in various organizations. 397 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:14.200 And so my life is never borring. So it always 398 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:19.640 leads me to ask questions because the questions I know 399 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.160 from habit, from my mentor from a long time ago. 400 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.079 He said, it's never the destination that's most interesting, is 401 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:32.680 the journey that's actually more revealing, more interesting. So I 402 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:34.880 like hanging out on the journey of questions. 403 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.640 Oh that's a nice phrase, isn't it. Let's hang out 404 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.119 in the journey of questions. 405 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.119 It's more fun too for me, for someone like me, 406 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:52.200 So you know that journey of questions. When something happens 407 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.480 to me, I call it the whisper. You know, it's 408 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.319 something that I feel like with you, I feel the 409 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.839 whisper that you're up to something huge and I should 410 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:05.000 help you more. For some other people or some other circumstances, 411 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.000 there's a whisper that comes to me and says, you know, 412 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:08.799 so now you're kind of full of shit here in 413 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:13.680 this area, and I have a pretty good antenna for it, 414 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:18.440 you know, for myself. Yeah, And so I pause and 415 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.839 I look at that, and it's usually two things, you know, 416 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.079 two areas. Now that I've done enough work on this, 417 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.200 you know, it's just something I'm avoiding with an honorable intention. 418 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.880 So the honorable intention kind of covers up what I'm avoiding. Really, 419 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.839 you know, so three tons of examples, but you know 420 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.880 that's what the other plot is, something I haven't fully 421 00:26:38.079 -->

00:26:43.160 grieved yet from the past. So I take those pretty seriously. 422 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.920 I call it the title of my newsletter on LinkedIn. 423 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.559 It's called the whisper because it's the ability to listen 424 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.440 for things like that. And most people step over, you know, 425 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.160 they always doesn't mind a thing, but it keeps bugging you. 426 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.720 And sometimes it's an ambition. Sometimes it's a dream that 427 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.720 keeps whispering to you. Or you should be a writer. 428 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.759 You know, you're not a business person. You know that 429 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.319 kind of whispering. This is what I'd like to engage with, 430 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.559 and that whisper kind of keeps me alive. 431 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:18.720 Actually, right now, yeah, do you have you ever engaged 432 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:24.599 your in a whisperer with kind of like a kinesiology state, 433 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:30.519 because I find whenever I'm indecisive or not sure what 434 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.599 road to go down, I just got into the habit 435 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.160 now kind of standing still and centering myself and asking 436 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.119 is this good for me? Is this good for the community, 437 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.920 is this good for this person? Is this going to work? 438 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.000 Is this something I should be considering? And my body, 439 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.480 my body just just stopped for like maybe three to 440 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.440 five seconds, and my body just if it's good, it's 441 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.960 going to flow forward, and if it's not good, it's 442 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.519 going to flow back. And it's so decisive without me 443 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.960 mentally going I really want to do this, I'm I'm 444 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.640 going to go forward. It's just ambivalent to the answer. 445 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.319 I just put it out there and it just kind 446 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.279 of my body will tell me the best way to 447 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:15.240 go now. Obviously, I do not make decisions solely on 448 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.720 my own because part of a community that's called collaboration global. 449 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:20.960 I've put it out to other people and I get 450 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.640 everybody's opinion and everyone's thoughts and sometimes too many opinions, 451 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.799 But the people that are relevant to the decision being made, 452 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:31.039 I will listen to their experience and their wisdom. And 453 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:36.480 mostly that the answer bubbles up. It just kind of 454 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.799 it comes, which is wonderful. I would like to ask 455 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:48.000 you when you consider your values that are so profoundly 456 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.039 found and kept for you and that you nurture in 457 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.920 today's world of AI. I have a hidden agenda here 458 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.240 I'll tell you in a minute. In this today's world 459 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:06.119 of AI, Yes, how do you feel when you're working 460 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.759 with leaders? How do you feel their insights into the 461 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:16.200 fast changing dynamics we have because of AI and the 462 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.480 way the world is going with AI? How do you 463 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.240 think that is affecting people's values along the way. 464 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.799 That's a really good question because I deal with AI 465 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:31.839 a lot, have an AI based company and one of 466 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.160 my clients actually it was a top notch stop Microsoft 467 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:41.720 AI leader. And you know, this is why you answer 468 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.039 your question lies in what I asked, what I spoke 469 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.160 about earlier, but the field of ontology, which is asking 470 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.440 a question of who you who you're being. It's also 471 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.960 interesting that you mentioned kinesiology, so I'll tie that into 472 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.880 the answer. And I've studied a too, because I have 473 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.000 a double degree in electrical engineering computer science, and I 474 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.880 came from a school that engaged in a lot of 475 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:13.759 AI at its infancy. So the one thing that AI 476 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.440 scientists perhaps, and there's a lot of debate about this, 477 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.799 but I think it's one thing they don't quite get 478 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:28.000 is that there's a part of us as a being 479 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.960 that's very much embodied. It's in a body. We are beings, 480 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.880 and you could say embodied to some extent in our 481 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:41.000 body as well as our language. And see, when you 482 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:48.000 use AI and the AI doesn't make you more aware 483 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.400 and doesn't bring you up to the point where you're 484 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:58.079 looking at wisdom based questions rather than tactical. Most people 485 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:04.000 use AI for tactical, strictategic questions and answers, and that 486 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:12.279 gives you a very limited possibilities around AI. But if 487 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.839 the AI is elevating you, enabling you to free yourself 488 00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.799 up to ask the more. Some people call itterial questions, 489 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.960 but they are really higher level questions. Who

am I? 490 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:29.240 Who am I being? What is what should the context 491 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.799 be for my life and my leadership of this company? 492 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:38.039 Where am I failing truthfully in supporting my people? A 493 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.200 lot of that you cannot answer with AI, because even 494 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.799 AI will come back and say I cannot answer that question. 495 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.680 Someone them believe and be wise enough nowadays, to tell 496 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:54.000 you the field that you're interested in is ontology. Ontology 497 00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.440 is now becoming more and more relevant to the world 498 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:02.559 of AI, because what AI is grappling with to some extent, 499 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.000 it's how do you make intuitive decisions that are based 500 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.319 in your body? Like you just said, you made those 501 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:13.359 decisions on your muscle testing. You know, how do you 502 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.440 do the cold Well, the truth is the AI can't 503 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.319 do that. A leader can. A leader who's wise can, 504 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.200 A leader who's been trained and can feel that body 505 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:29.480 can because most, in fact, all decisions are fundamentally made 506 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.880 on a basis of your language, in motions, or your body. 507 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:39.880 There's a concept in social cognitive neuroscience called can't remember 508 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.720 what it's called, but it's the ability for your brain 509 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.759 to connect with your heart and your gut nervous systems 510 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.440 because there's whole beautiful you know. That's why I say 511 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.960 coming from your heart, coming from a gut right, And 512 00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.799 a lot of leaders haven't trained them, especially when you're young. 513 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.720 You haven't. You don't have enough experience you make those 514 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.359 kinds decision. So if you only make strategic based decisions 515 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.359 using your AI, your AI could mislead you because there's 516 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:14.319 no fundamental wisdom that really you can really grow. Nobody 517 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:18.279 else can. So the AI. I'm not dismissing AI. I'm 518 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.400 saying AI could be used as a collaborative partner. I'm 519 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.039 building my AI bot. I think I'll have a superior 520 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.640 AI coaching bot that my dream is because I use 521 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.960 ontology with it, and I actually test it every day 522 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.920 because I have him coached me and him it coach me. 523 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.160 And it's becoming dangerously better than I am in a 524 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.519 lot of ways because you can make no you can 525 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.680 make instantly connections between disparate ideas that I've introduced him 526 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.039 to before. I can't do that, but he cannot make 527 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:57.880 intuitive decisions. Yeah. See, so it's very interesting the world 528 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.799 of AI. I tell people who are applying AI, if 529 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.079 it doesn't elevate your ability or your attention to making 530 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.760 wisdom based decisions, you're probably going to paint yourself into 531 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:15.000 a silly corner. That's a very very silly corner. 532 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.599 I agree. I agree, And I think so many people 533 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:24.480 at the moment are being sold the story of use 534 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.159 AI and automate everything, and then they use it in 535 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.519 things like emails or messages to people, and all I 536 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.039 can see from the outside looking in, is there are 537 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.639 two people there that want to talk to each other, 538 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.320 but they've got an AI machine in the middle connecting 539 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.559 them up, and it's like you want to get closer together, 540 00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.400 but you're actually being pushed further apart. It's like, get 541 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.480 that out of the way and start making a phone call, 542 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.280 you know, actually talking to a real life person, or 543 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.440 see them face to face and have those conversations. And 544 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.519 I think we're forgetting how to have those conversations. And 545 00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.519 I get where you're talking about the wisdom, but that 546 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.199 wisdom is only going to be there if it's been 547 00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.280 fed with the right information. It goes back to a 548 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.159 comedy a comedy show we used to have on the 549 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.360 UK many years ago where somebody was on the computer 550 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.440 and every time somebody said is that possible? We can 551 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:14.760 do that, and the guy would go computer says no, 552 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.119 and that was that's the end of story. 553 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:18.800 And I love that show. 554 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:24.599 We loved that guy, yeah exactly. And I think we're 555 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.679 going down the same road because we were allowing ourselves 556 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.920 for the computer to make Oh no, no, the computer 557 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.840 says no, what can I do? Well, you've just programmed 558 00:35:31.880 -->

00:35:34.679 the computer. You've just used the computer, let me talk 559 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.320 to your manager. But AI for a lot of people 560 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.920 is the delight of not having to talk to another 561 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.480 person because they don't want to, so they can put 562 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.320 that barrier in between and it means they don't have 563 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.599 to make those conversations. So they're being sold a croc 564 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:57.400 for whatever expression to use that they think is going 565 00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.719 to make life easier for them, and actually it's making 566 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.960 it more and more difficult, and they're going to lose. 567 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.559 We're going to lose the conversations to you, We're not 568 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.280 gonna be able to have these kinds of conversations. We 569 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.280 just let Actually I always do it for us, but yeah, 570 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.000 I mean crazy. 571 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.840 Well you know that's why I've taken on a practice of, 572 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:22.000 you know, connecting with my friends and exchanging non transactional 573 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.079 conversations with people, you know. And because I mean even 574 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.920 I can fall into the trap of because I'm really 575 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.440 quite a shy, introverted person. May not seem like that, 576 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.800 but you know I am, and I get over stimulated 577 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.239 sometimes in social situations, so I have to go and 578 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.400 just be by myself for a while. But for introverts 579 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.519 like me, and even extroverts to a certain extent. There's 580 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.119 this addiction to that separation because it just makes life 581 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.880 a lot easier to manage and more controlled, et cetera. 582 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.599 But the price we pay is that meaningful connection is lost, 583 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.960 and that meaningful connection actually does affect our well being biologically, 584 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.440 because we need to be with people, either face to 585 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:16.960 face or voice to voice, and that connection generates something. 586 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:20.519 You know, I mean, if you're not flirting or or 587 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.000 engage in some kind of prey full chemistry with other people, 588 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.039 you tend to lose something, you know, you just tend 589 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:36.000 to become very transactional, very mechanical approach. 590 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:40.000 Yeah, it affects your well being in so many different ways. 591 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.079 If you don't interact with somebody and maybe have a 592 00:37:42.079

--> 00:37:45.519 giggle and have some banter and have a laugh, that's 593 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.280 keeping you well, that's that's keeping your whole physiology lifted 594 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.079 for those moments. It's like taking a drug. You know. 595 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.079 I had somebody I used to work with and he 596 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.960 said he'd never really laughed uncontrollably unless he was on drugs. 597 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.280 You're kidding me, I said you did that when you 598 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.239 were a child. Surely, no, never done it, I said, 599 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.719 I do it nearly every week he said, well, how 600 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.719 do you do it without drugs? I have friends. I 601 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.840 go and talk to my friends and we have a 602 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.119 giggle and it's just silly, or we do something daft, 603 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.679 or we play, you know, we have jokes and things. 604 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:21.559 And I think that is being lost, where people are 605 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.320 used to the scrolling and used to kind of their 606 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.039 world becomes part of what's on their phone. So I worry. 607 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.800 I worry that the world we're living in is imploding 608 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.639 and humanity is not going to be able to sustain 609 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.199 itself because we're all going to be living at arm's lengths. 610 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.159 We're isolated. Now look at us. We're having a conversation 611 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.119 and you're halfway around the world, which is a great thing, 612 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.400 and we're having this conversation, but so many people are 613 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.480 living through the machine rather than being able to get 614 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.079 on a plane and go and see someone. We started 615 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.519 a tentative world tour of Collaboration Global. So last year 616 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.280 we went to Sodinia, where one of our members has 617 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.199 emigrated to He's Sodinian, but he lived in the UK 618 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:04.920 for a long time, so he's gone back over there, 619 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.039 so we went to see him. This year, we went 620 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.239 to Crete to see another member who's just emigrated out 621 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:15.519 there next year. Who knows Canada, Brazil, oh, somebody for 622 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.239 in Austria was earlier in the year as well. So 623 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.639 we're going around just meeting face to face and giving 624 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.880 someone a hug, you know, just I know we're business colleagues, 625 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.719 but it's like, oh, give me a hug. You know, 626 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:29.320 all I've seen you on is a screen.

Let me 627 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.679 give you a hug, your real life person. And that 628 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.239 does your health good. There's really graze about it. It 629 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:37.119 makes you feel better. 630 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.480 Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, I you know, I fear for 631 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.599 younger people because they a lot of them, you know, 632 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.400 don't hug, especially younger men. So I love what you're doing, though, 633 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.519 you know, it's so soone needed to do that and 634 00:39:54.719 --> 00:40:00.159 to connect and hug and you know, connect meaningfully. And 635 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.400 this whole idea of intimacy is scary to people. It's 636 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.199 becoming scary and scary to the newer generation because they 637 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.320 don't know, you know, like there's this fear they've been 638 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.159 so coddled sometimes in some cases that you know, putting 639 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.280 themselves at risk with another person is too much for 640 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:26.039 their for them to handle, so they don't they don't talk, 641 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.559 They don't come out and take a risk to be 642 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.480 intimate with people. Intimacy meaning necessarily physical. 643 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.440 Even just hello national yeah, is. 644 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.119 Weird for people. So I love what you're doing because 645 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:45.599 it's a structure for people to connect and connect face 646 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.239 to face or voice the voice, which is really beautiful. 647 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.800 And I totally acknowledge you in your community for doing that. 648 00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.280 Well, tell me about your mission in life? Is this 649 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.760 hundred million? Is that one hundred million joyful and successful 650 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:04.679 people in the world. How are you going about that? 651 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.840 And where did it come from? Where did you have 652 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.320 this creative genius? 653 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.039 Well, you know, I got to tell you. You know, 654 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.400 I had a lot of missions in my life, and 655 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.840 some of them my fulfilled time, I didn't It turned 656 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:21.679 out that a lot of those missions were kind of 657 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.280 like trophies that I kept, you know, I had I 658 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:31.880 did that and did that. Yeah, And this one I 659 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:36.159 realized that I needed to make a promise that's almost 660 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:41.199 impossible to keep to get me out of my skin 661 00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:47.679 in a way that was restricting me. And the truth is, 662 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.199 I still really don't quite know how it's going to 663 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:55.880 come together. But that's the nature of an ontological distinction. 664 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.639 I call being a stand taking a stand or being 665 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:03.480 a stand. It it has no reason, it's just because. 666 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.679 But it's kind of a cool game to play, and 667 00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:15.239 it then begets a lot of questions. Now I have 668 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.000 some credibility because I've built a two hundred thousand plus 669 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:20.880 community on meetups. I just sold it off because the 670 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.199 organization running it was no longer in integrity. I didn't 671 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.880 say that quite clearly, and so I gave away. I 672 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.800 sold away a lot of those groups. I can restart 673 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.880 that again, but it seems to me that what I'm 674 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.119 doing is really hitting the leaders. So one thing I 675 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:43.159 didn't mention is the strategy is to unconceal a million 676 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.400 leaders who can take on this game. You will take 677 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.800 on this game because it's a leader. You will innoventively 678 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.800 take on this game. So even a million leaders take 679 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.400 on one hundred people each and make a difference with 680 00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:03.679 one hundred people. Job done, right there. So that's the question. Yeah, 681 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.559 and you know I'm working with readers on that level 682 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:11.039 right now. Yeah, And it's not noa close to a million, 683 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:15.119 but uh, you know, I'm I'm concealing. I call it 684 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.840 I'm concealing when I'm revealing to myself and to other 685 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.239 people how we can do this. So it's it's almost 686 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.280 like an unanswerable question, seemingly, but I found that as 687 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:32.079 you ask unanswerable questions, you start discovering answers. Yeah, it's like, 688 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.760 you know, when Kennedy said we're gonna put up You're 689 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.599 gonna put a man on the moon by the end 690 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.679 of the decade. Even some of the scientists said, we 691 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.840 can't do that. Yeah, and then it beho some scientists say, well, 692 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.280 maybe we're not asking the right questions. So they started 693 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.280 asking the right questions, you know. So the question is 694 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.639 really not so much how I do this. She's an 695 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.320 important answer question and answer, but who am I going 696 00:43:54.400 -->

00:43:57.679 to be in the course of doing it? So I 697 00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.440 had to give up certain ways of being like, this 698 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:00.960 is the way to do it, you know, you got 699 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.960 to do it by social media, blah blah blah. And 700 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.679 I looked at that and said, well, you know, social 701 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.039 media doesn't really by itself create a very outstanding community. 702 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.239 You know, it's people like you who create communities. And 703 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.559 there are people like you who do that that I'd 704 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.400 like to engage with and support as much as possible. 705 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.920 So my support is really from a way of being 706 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.480 or being what Martin Hindeger is a brilliant philosopher said, 707 00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.079 being a clearing, which is not about force, but it's 708 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.480 really being a clearing and opening for people to show 709 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:38.679 up as leaders who can make a difference for millions 710 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.760 of people around. So it's been a clearing for that 711 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.480 to occur. That's more important. 712 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.079 That reminds me of the quote by Rumy out there 713 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.880 as a field, whether there's no right or wrong there, 714 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.119 And I love that. And we say that about collaboration 715 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.239 global when we have conversations and we have some troversial topics, 716 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.360 we just let's do this, let's talk about Brexit and 717 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.599 the politics and all that kind of thing. And then 718 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:11.239 obvious say, but there's no right or wrong. So the 719 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.480 co glow rules are there's no right or wrong. We're 720 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.400 coming from a foundation of love, yes, and we're coming 721 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.880 with respect for our fellow humans because we are all 722 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.320 the same under the sun. We are human beings irrespective 723 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:28.840 all the labels. Whether you think you're an introvert and extrovert, 724 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.440 would take those labels out the way. Whatever it is, 725 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.639 what color of your skin, what sexual orientation, what gender, 726 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.760 what age, How rich you are, poor, you are take 727 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.639 that out of the way and we can talk about anything. 728 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.519 And when somebody says something and you get triggered, if 729 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.559 you're in a space if there's no right or wrong, 730 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.360 you're the one that's been triggered. So you have to 731 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.119 work it out. And the only way to work it 732 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.960 out is to say, in all honesty, what you just 733 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.679 said is triggered to me, and I want to understand it. 734 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.360 Can you explain why you said that thing? Because I 735 00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.679 want to understand it more. And if we're not going 736 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.079 to work up on ourselves, how can we help and 737 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:06.639 support other people? Yeah, well, well that's part of the 738 00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.360 purpose of coming together as collaboration global we're learning a 739 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.159 different way of being out in that world is fear, scarcity, 740 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.000 in competition, and I don't know if you looked at 741 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.840 the world recently, it's not working. But in the Codel world, 742 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:25.239 in our online country, our paradigm is love, connection and abundance, 743 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.159 and that seems to be a different ballgame, and that 744 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.920 seems to be a place where we can have no 745 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.360 right or wrong. We don't have political sides, we don't 746 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.519 have well, if you're you're right, if you're wrong, then 747 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:38.920 I'm going to defend my right and I'm going to 748 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.639 be right and you're going to be wrong. No, it's 749 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.360 all made up. Right and wrong is all made up. 750 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.760 So we don't have to go down that road of 751 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.039 defending ourselves. So we can listen, then we can hear 752 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.320 what's being said, and then we can choose, and sometimes 753 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.360 we choose to agree to disagree, but we are more 754 00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:00.480 enlightened as a result of the conversation that I call 755 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.079 a grown up conversation, although some grown ups aren't able 756 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.920 to do it. And it just means that the community 757 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.559 are growing together because they're learning from each other. So 758 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:16.159 I love what you're doing. You're bringing good people together 759 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.480 to get that one hundred million number done. I don't 760 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.960 know how you're going to measure it. I don't know 761 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.039 how you're going to bring everyone together. But what you'll 762 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.400 find is like goes to like. So in our community, 763 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.440 we have a lot of people with huge followings, but 764 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.400 they are very aligned to what we are aligned to. 765 00:47:34.079 -->

00:47:36.119 So it makes sense that their followings will want to 766 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.079 come and find out about us, and our members will 767 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.400 want to go out and find out about them. Because 768 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.599 we don't there's no competition. We don't have that in 769 00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.559 collaboration global, so we don't worry about or they're doing 770 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:49.559 the same thing as us, because no, we're us and 771 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.519 that's them, and let's get together because we're doing something similar. 772 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:56.559 There's a guy over in New York, Jonathan Rosen, who 773 00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.519 says he's my brother, because we are doing the same 774 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.599 thing on different sides of the pond. But it's different. 775 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.000 It's the same, but it's different, and it just and 776 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.199 our members go to his meetings and his members come 777 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.599 to our meetings, and we all get to learn about 778 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:10.800 each other along the way. 779 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.280 Oh that's wonderful. What a wonderful model. If you found 780 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.559 a whole bunch of other people I'm sure there are, 781 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.800 you know, you could wow, yeah, make a huge difference 782 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:22.280 in the world. 783 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.480 Yeah yeah, I mean, have you come across this guy. 784 00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:27.159 This will make you laugh. I've said this before and 785 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.800 I'll say it again. Nick Adkins wears these socks every 786 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.920 day of the year, and he wears a kilt as well, 787 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.480 so you can see these fabulous socks and he gives 788 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.440 them away to people. So he sent a pair over 789 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.239 to me, and he says, the world is full of good. 790 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.519 When you believe it, you see it. Keep doing that. Oh, 791 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.719 and that's that sort. And he's got you went viral 792 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.760 with this on on things, Instagram or somewhere, and it 793 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.880 is just about good people coming together. Then you can 794 00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.400 make a difference. I have one last question before we up, 795 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.639 which might be a long one. I don't know. You've 796 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:06.639 got six values. One of our value we've only got three, 797 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:08.880 but as a lot comes underneath those three. We have 798 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.280 behaviors and mindset that go with it as well, But 799 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.440 our main one is love and that is our superpower. 800 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:21.119 You've taken that from

Buck Winster Fuller, who talks about ephemeralization, 801 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.840 where you can do as you learn more, you can 802 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:26.960 do more and more with less and less, he said. 803 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.840 But the ultimate ephemeralization is something you can't see, you 804 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.800 can't touch, you can't smell, you can't taste. It's love 805 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.719 and it is our superpower and it's the strongest thing 806 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:41.679 we have on this planet because it connects every single 807 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:46.159 human being. Right, So, where in your values and in 808 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.000 your makeup of who you are and what you do, 809 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.800 where does love stand in the makeup of things? 810 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:59.679 You know? It's a really good, lovely question because there's 811 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.920 no the thing that I do that isn't based in love. 812 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:08.159 Everything I do has to be based in love. If 813 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.559 it's not based in love, I just don't do it. 814 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:18.320 And that's about all I can really say about that, 815 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:23.559 you know. It's it's yeah, love is one of those 816 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.960 things that you don't really need to have a reason for, 817 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.719 but you have every reason in the world to have 818 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:38.159 in your life. And with love comes the necessity to 819 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.840 learn how to communicate well, like your collaboration group does 820 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:48.519 the spending, judgment and righteousness right or wrong, you know. 821 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:53.360 And but I think we love too. Something that people 822 00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.119 don't usually engagement is this arn't and science of creating 823 00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:58.280 chemistry with people. 824 00:50:59.559 --> 00:50:59.679 You know. 825 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.559 It's there's romantic chemistry for sure, but there's also chemistry 826 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:11.639 as peers and chemistry as plain its siblings, you know, 827 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:17.239 And we don't engage enough in that chemistry as well, 828 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:23.119 because I think that also presences love, people, communication and chemistry. 829 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.079 So that's where it shows up for me, is looking 830 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.039 at how I can create that chemistry with within all 831 00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:37.159 the six cornerstones that I have. Love is certainly important. 832 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.800 It's you know, I'm a writer. When I write from love, 833 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.159 there's a certain quality to the article. Yeah, don't write 834 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.480 from love so much. It's still not a bad article, 835 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.119 but there's something missing in it. 836 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.400 It's a bit like when you cook a mail for 837 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.519 someone you love and it's done with care and kindness 838 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.599 and love. It's it's so much better than when you 839 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:02.760 just fling it all together. 840 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.639 Yeah, my mother, when she was alive, made this fried 841 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.960 fish Indian style, which nobody in the world can mimic. 842 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.119 I've never found it. It just, you know, I tried. 843 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.880 She gave me the recipe to me money. You know, 844 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:19.639 you should try this and just do it, And I said, 845 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.320 I tried many times a month, but it just never 846 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:23.400 comes out the way. 847 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:23.559 You do it. 848 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:27.199 She sprinkles it with love, that's why. So if you 849 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.039 haven't done that, but you've missed out. 850 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.239 Maybe I can't because she brings a certain maternal love 851 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:35.159 that yeah. 852 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.199 Yeah, So basically what you're saying is of all your 853 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.840 beautiful values, love is intrinsic within you and within them 854 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.360 as well, which is beautiful. 855 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.079 I would say, so. Yeah. I mean, I hate to 856 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.320 say that it's the King, you know, of my cornerstones, 857 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.679 but I think it's just the seaer by swimming now 858 00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:03.840 or love to swim, and yeah, you know, yeah, I'm 859 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:08.880 very present to love. I'm blessed with it. I have 860 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.880 people who love me, and I love them. I'm in 861 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:18.039 communication with them almost every day. I care for them. 862 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.440 You know, there's a carrying that I think has been 863 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.039 missing in my life before that I bring more to 864 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:30.920 the fourth now than I have before. And I'd love 865 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.280 to see more of that carrying show up in the 866 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:39.199 world because it's just missing, you know. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, 867 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:40.800 thank you, good question, Thank you. 868 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:49.440 If if you were to be remembered for something fifty 869 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.480 years down the line and everyone goes, oh, yes, smil oh, 870 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:53.440 I remember him. 871 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.119 What would you like to be remembered for, you know, 872 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.400 I would say humor and a sense of irony. 873 00:54:04.400

--> 00:54:06.239 Oh that's good. 874 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.639 Irony, you know where you know, irony is in many 875 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:13.840 many forms, but there's a dramatic irony, But I like 876 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:18.280 philosophical irony, where you know, humor explores this a lot 877 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.400 right where you there's a surface truth that people kind 878 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.960 of bandy about, you know, Oh, I'm this kind of person, 879 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.280 but then the real truth is you're not quite that person. 880 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.000 But that journey between the surface truth and the core 881 00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:36.880 truth is it's irony, but it's also transformation, and that 882 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.800 journey can be done, doesn't have to be done in 883 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:42.920 a dramatic way. It can be done with humor and lightness. 884 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.639 So I try to impart that to my nephews as 885 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.280 much as I can without being too significant and dramatic 886 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.679 about it, and everybody around me, you know, I leave 887 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.159 a little bit of irony about it, about life that 888 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.639 maybe it's not that significant. You Brits are really good 889 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.119 at it, uh when you can be. 890 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:06.760 So, I've been told, Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. How 891 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:11.440 some humor doesn't translate the same language supposedly, but it 892 00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:16.719 doesn't translate across the fond interesting. Thank you so much, 893 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.519 so I think it's I wish you every success with 894 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.760 your mission. I think it's a beautiful one to hold deer, 895 00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.000 and if I can help you in any way with that, 896 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.599 I will be more than happy to share that with 897 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:32.599 my community and beyond. I love all of your values 898 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.039 and what they stand for. If somebody wanted to find 899 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.159 out more about you, or maybe read some of your 900 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.639 books that you've written or your articles, what's the easiest 901 00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.960 way of you of them to get in touch with you. 902 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:47.320 The recording shows my name the correct spelling too. Thank 903 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:53.880 you X that's mine. But baskroom dot com or baskroom 904 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.599 on LinkedIn. There's another gentleman by the basket and heads. 905 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.239 I think Tata Industries are a big company in Yeah, 906 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:08.719 you'll see this photograph looks nothing like me, but yeasroom 907 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.719 dot com or connect with me on LinkedIn. You can 908 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.960 join my substack. I have a substat under my name 909 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.800 to Bastron and you can also come on LinkedIn and 910 00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:27.119 join my free newsletter called The Whisper and you can 911 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.480 read my writings that I do very often. 912 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.400 Thank you, and hopefully Son will be coming to a 913 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.360 Collaboration Global session soon. We can be introducing him to remember, 914 00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:40.079 so if you want to come along as a guest 915 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.159 to that session, you can just go to Collaboration Global 916 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:47.079 dot org and sign yourself up and hopefully meet myself 917 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.079 and Soneil at one of the next sessions. That'd be great. 918 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.800 Thank you again. So now it's been an absolute joey 919 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.960 and I'm sure our piles will cross very soon. 920 00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:56.679 I'm sure. 921 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:58.280 Well, thank you,