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Hello, Holly Ludeman here, your host on today's episode of
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Behind the Collective. Now today is the 4th part of the
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KPCA series where we've been talking about the Head Stockpersons
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Leadership Forum that was held in Broome a few weeks ago.
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But I'm back up in the Kimberley, in the Pilbara, and had a chance to
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catch up with some of the participants that were part of that
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forum. And we're at a different event today. With some socializing and networking
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in the background, we can probably hear. But I'm here with Reece Riser,
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and Reece is from Queensland,
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Southeast Queensland. Thank you. But he's here doing his first season in
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the Kimberley, and you were lucky enough to join in through Nerima,
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your employer. And tell us, Reece, about the event and
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what you really enjoyed about it. Yeah, it was really good to interact
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with other head stockmen and other leaders in the industry.
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I think stepping up as more of a leader in the future,
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it was good to, to go to something like that and get a
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bit of advice or a few strategies I can use down the track and help
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my own leadership skills and build on those that I
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have and yeah, learn a bit more about myself also.
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So Barb went through a bit of that learning about yourself and Did
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you have any light bulb moments reading through that or going through that? For sure,
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yep. It was scary. A lot of it was like, oh, holy moly,
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that's me. But no, it was great because you
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might wonder why you do things a certain way and yeah,
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it just helps you understand yourself better and how you're going to use that to
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lead people. Helps you understand the people you're leading better too.
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Yeah, I think that was a really good theme that came out of it.
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Um, and then we used some of that and went and played mini golf,
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which was a bit of a laugh. Yeah. Were you any good at mini golf?
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No, not a chance. Well, I think you
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were actually very good at asking questions, um, and engaging with
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the conversation. So, uh, I think maybe
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Luck said leadership isn't taught, it's natural. And I think you do
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have natural leadership, having seen you out and about. And, um, for the audience,
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after the event, I got the privilege of going for a muster with Reece and
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you looked after me. It was good fun. It was good fun.
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Um, so I was very thankful for that. But I saw your natural leadership style
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and your calm style, but, um,
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and ability. Um, but we talked a lot in the course about everyone can
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have blisters on their hands or get out in the yards and get dirty,
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but, um, there's that need to have those people skills. So yeah, do you think
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that's what you kind of drew out of that event? 100%. I think people
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skills is probably the biggest thing It's the hardest thing to learn in
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this industry. At the end of the day, we can all be good stockmen
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and, you know, good at whatever it is on the station,
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but we need to manage people, you know, and that,
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yeah, it's huge. It's a big task, and those sort
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of events are great for young people like myself because you're not
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sort of just getting thrown into the deep end. Going to
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them and you're learning these things gives you a bit of a chance and a
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bit of an insight into how to do things properly and gives you— sets
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you up to succeed. I like that. And that I was really impressed with all
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the stations that invested in people like you. So you've got, I think, a natural
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leadership style and someone's invested in you to lift you up further, which is excellent.
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Have you got any examples of coming back to work and how
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you've used anything you learnt? Yeah, oh,
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I really— it just gave me a different outlook on things, I think. Um,
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maybe the way I was communi— communication, massive thing and something I've
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definitely got to work on. But it almost puts me in,
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in the other person's seat and almost look at
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myself as I'm saying things and go, oh God, that wasn't a good way to
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say that. Or, you know, I almost see how they're comprehending what
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I'm saying now a bit.
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That's probably the biggest thing I've taken away from it. But yeah,
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I haven't stepped up into a massive leadership role yet, but probably
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haven't had the chance to. Yeah,
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probably haven't had too many examples like that. But no, it's definitely given
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me a good chance for when I do, like building some good skills.
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I think, and that's why the course was good for up-and-comings or leaders.
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And you're young and you've got time. And I
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think Barb, if she's listening, will be very proud to hear that reflection on putting
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yourself in the other person's shoes. And I still have to check myself
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sometimes. Did I really communicate what I wanted
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done? Yeah.
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So, well, thank you so much, Rhys, for chatting to
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me today about what you got out of the course. And I see
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you've got some networking to do with some of the young people you met,
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which is also, I think, one of the best outcomes that came out of the
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event was other young people that can network and chat to each other
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and support each other. 100%. Yeah, all for it. Thanks,
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Rhys. Thank you. And we'll have a chat to some of the other participants
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shortly.
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Okay, now I'm here with Dee Wilde,
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and Dee works at Napier Downs Station and is
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another one of the participants that was part of the Headstock Persons for
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a leadership forum that KPCA run. And Dee,
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you're a standout in the crowd for me, and you came and
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had a good chat to me, but I just wanted you to go through,
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you know, what you really got out of it and why you think events like
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this are really good. Oh, there's many things I got out of,
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out of the Headstock Mums Forum, probably more so the networking
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and seeing particularly blokes Um,
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step up and talk about the hard things, or more
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so just start that conversation that they might have trouble with
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themselves. So I get told I'm a lot and that I
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talk a lot. So for them to be around people like
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me, they, they said I spoke a lot, but then they would open up and
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talk to me more because they didn't have to speak. So it was really
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cool in that regard of networking,
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and then also hearing A lot of really
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great information. So for example, yourself, Holly, I actually went back to my
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crew and said, and not even just my crew, but when
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I went up to Darwin for the ABL, I questioned the cab driver, I questioned
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people in the elevator. Do you know anybody in agriculture?
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And did you know that there was a really low percentage of people that know?
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So just, it's starting a conversation, really.
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And that's something that I'm quite good at. Is talking.
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That's great. I love that insight and that you got that out of
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the session I did was around that communication and the impact we can have in
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the community, whether it's your taxi driver or a dinner table. So you gave it
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a go. Well done. And our crew too. Yeah, we've got such
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a diverse crew. Yeah, we've got an Argentinian,
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a girl from UK, Wales, girl from Wales, um,
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a IT person from Victoria that's
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28 and coming over into the agricultural sector, just exposing
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them. Like an 18-year-old boy, like, how did you
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get into it? Why did you get into it? And I actually started videoing them
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in the car while we were driving out to camp. I've been like, I'm gonna
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do something about this. Um, yeah, I love that you took a real action
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out of the workshop. It's something you were passionate about, which is sharing information about
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agriculture. And we've just had a chat to Rhys, and he got a
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lot out of reflecting on his own personality. And I liked what you said about
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maybe some— there was different personalities in the room and some people that didn't want
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to speak up. And I really got a lot out of a few people being
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quite vulnerable that may not have been comfortable in that
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situation. And we're here at another event today. I'm sure you can hear the,
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uh, scallywags behind us. Um, and you're networking with
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a lot of people you met at that event. And I think that's why I
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wanted to grab you and have a chat today. So the networking's been really great
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out of this too, hasn't it? And no matter where you go or what event
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you go to, that is the key thing that everybody says But probably
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networking and then having the ability to actually be able to be here. So some
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places are still mustering and still working, but James
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and Barb Camp, who I work for, have actually given us the time off to
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come here and to better ourselves in educating what
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actually goes on in our business and learning about
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that all today. It actually comes from keeping people and educating
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them. Hence why we are— our whole crew is here.
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Yeah, so we're at another event today, Pastures and Prosecco,
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which is a great event. And there's definitely getting some good
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attention behind us. And that was run through a few different organizations,
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which I've got to remember— West Kimberley Land
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Council and RAC. And I'm sure KPCA
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was involved as well as, you know, Kalyuta Station is where we're at today.
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And there's been some great networking. That we've got here and seeing
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a few of the participants that did the Leadership Forum come together and you guys
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networking kind of made me want to do this chat as well. Just,
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uh, and I think as you pointed, there's been a significant investment by people in
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you. And when I think back to my own leadership journey, it's because someone's
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invested in you. So I think that's really lovely that you're acknowledging how important
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it is that someone else has invested in you. Well, you might not have the
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For myself, I didn't have necessarily the
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faith within myself, but James and Barb could see that and they pushed me to
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do it. And then once you start something, you get— you
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might be like stressing, but like as you
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get to there and then you get to a place and then you start chatting
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and you notice that everybody's in the same boat, like everyone's having the same conversations.
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Everyone's like, oh, that's happening to you too? Oh yeah. And it just
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flows on and it just becomes so natural. I think they're excellent reflections.
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Well, thank you, Dee, for sharing a bit about your experience.
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Do you hope this event keeps going and in the future for other young
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people? Definitely. And I, speaking to Lux too,
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wishing that it doesn't just stay in the Kimberley, but it goes further.
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Yeah, I think there's a real, yeah, opportunity for
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this model to be bigger than this pilot. And yeah, thank you
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for being part of it. And it's been great to see how you've you know,
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taking what you learnt forward and reaching out to me. As you know,
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a lot of people have reached out to different mentors, so it's been great to
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connect with you again and see what you got out of it. Thank you,
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Dee. Thank you. And we'll have a chat to another participant and
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round out the KPCA Headstock Persons Leadership Forum.
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So we're here with our final guest today.
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I'm talking to Jo Stoch, who's part of the family managing
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Anna Plain Station.
Thanks for chatting to me, Jo. Now, you were also
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a participant in the Head Stockperson's Leadership Forum, but you also partook
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in one of the panels. Yeah. So I just wanted you to reflect with
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me, you know, what you really got out of the event and why you think
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it was a really important investment for KPCA. Yeah, so what I got
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out of the event, probably just first and foremost, networking, like getting
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to meet other people in similar roles that
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are going through similar, like, good things and similar challenges.
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And then just having those mentors in the
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room to then guide us through those conversations.
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And yeah, probably just the knowledge in the room from having like Stuart
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and Barb there and then all different other presenters was really good.
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Yeah, I mean, I was a presenter. How was I? Oh yeah,
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you don't have to answer that. Um, actually, you were really good. Oh, thank you.
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Yeah, no, that's, uh, okay. I think I really got a lot out of
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it myself, hearing from Barb and Stu and that,
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um, I suppose little light bulb moments they drew from everyone,
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which I've probably said a lot through this podcast series about the event.
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Um, and the vulnerability Stu showed drew
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a lot of stuff out of some of the participants that were maybe shyer than
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others. Uh, and I saw that networking. Well,
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today, for the people listening, we've got— we're at another event
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where we've got some people networking behind us here, and that's where
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I grabbed you from the crowd. And some of the, you know, I suppose
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cohort or alumni that you went through are all here and you're networking again.
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So I think that's been really powerful. Yeah, and like
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being able to reconnect with them and then talk about where we're at and what
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changes we made, if we made changes. And that sort of thing.
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And then being on the panel as well, it just gives you an opportunity,
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like, to— for me,
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like, the ability to talk in front of more
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people. Like, that's something, like, I get to see people
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like you, Holly, and then people like Stuart, the way they can present things.
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And I want to get to that level. So even just having the opportunity to
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present that and practice that, because it is just a muscle that you're
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flexing. And trying to get better at. I like that analogy, and, and you did
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very well at it. And, um, I think a lot of people in
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the audience wouldn't have been as comfortable as you, so you have done some
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great professional development in that space.
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Uh, and I think when I saw the different personality
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types in the room, and that came through through Barb's session, yeah, did you learn
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anything about yourself through that? Um, I had done a little
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bit of that stuff before and have read like a fair few books.
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Yeah. So I wasn't shocked about what I heard, but it
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was just such a great starting point. You know, like we went to
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golf and I was with a guy called Mitch on
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the buggies and like, it was sort of just like a starting point
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for us to get to talk to each other and then get to know each
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other. And he was introverted and I was extroverted. So then working through that
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was interesting. And then we ended up getting on really well, but just gave us
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like something to talk about initially and then something to be like,
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oh yeah, that, that does relate to me, but that doesn't really. It was a
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good breaking the ice and the golf looked like fun. I came
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out in the buggy for a while and realized I was pretty bad at it.
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Oh my God. And on
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the second day, Stu broke down community— or Stu and Barb talked about leadership
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styles and communication. And there were some scenarios I think
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the panels went through that a lot of people could relate to.
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And have you taken that back into everyday life in any scenarios?
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Yeah, definitely. I mean, the number one thing going to
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something like that is you go back, like it just opens
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your mind a bit more and you go back to where you're
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working. For me, it's family property. For other people, they're working for other people.
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You go back there feeling like really reinvigorated.
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Yeah. And so even if the most people got out of it was
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just feeling good and having a sense of pride in the job they're doing,
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I think that is enough for me, like trying to continue like what
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Sue said, taking on board what Barb said, that's really important.
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But I think overall for the course, if people just, even if it just made
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them really proud of their position, I think that's enough. Yeah, that's a
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lovely way to reflect on it. And it was a really good investment from
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either your managers or your family to have people come.
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For sure, there was a massive time investment as
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well as cost for a lot of companies. So big credit to all of them
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for putting that forward. Yeah, I think a great initiative
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all round and I'm sure you would like to see it continue
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next year. We're already talking about over a champagne or Prosecco,
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I should say, what it should look like next year. Yeah,
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definitely. We want it to continue and like it's not just an opportunity for head
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stockmen. Like there was a few 2nd,
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3rd year ringers in the room that got heaps
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out of it and they can see, like,
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they can now see what they can do to get to that position as well.
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But yeah, I hope it continues for a long time in the future and people
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keep supporting it because I got a lot out of it and everyone I spoke
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to got a lot out of it. The main feedback was for it to be
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longer. So I think we did something right. I think we did something right.
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So it needs to be longer. It needs to be slightly earlier in the year.
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Yeah, and all around there was great networking. I loved the event,
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saw the graduation, so everyone dressed up formally,
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uh, and Lux insisted the, the gentlemen wore ties.
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Yeah, and I think that was actually really good. It was seeing yourselves as professionals.
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It was like the final, um, I suppose tip your hat
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to— you are now leaders and, and think of yourselves that way.
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Definitely. And I think like, you know, out here there's not many opportunities we
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get to put on a nice dress or put on a tie.
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Yeah. So I think like, I don't know, everyone just walked in shoulders back,
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like just really enjoying it. Yeah, it was good.
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I think that was a lovely way to round it out. And we've got some
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networking to get back to. So thank you, Jo, for sharing your experience.
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And you're the final interviewee from what was
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a great event. And I really loved reflecting on
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it and can't wait to be part of it next year. Yeah, me too.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you for listening to this episode of Behind the Collective, which was
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the final episode or part of the KPCA series,
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which was really acknowledging the Headstock McPhersons Leadership Forum,
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which was run by KPCA. And there was a number of really amazing
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sponsors. One of those sponsors was Millen Feeds, And full
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disclosure, I also work for Milne Feeds. But it was a great collaboration
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between KPCA, the Livestock Collective, and Milne Feeds to bring
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these stories to you. And we really hope you enjoyed them
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and we can't wait to share more with you. Thank you.