บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Behind the Scenes with Travis Armbruster

--> 00:03:58,135.65703971 So, you know, there's a lot of reference points there. 49 00:03:58,195.65703971 --> 00:03:59,675.65703971 So, yeah. 50 00:03:59,745.65703971 --> 00:04:14,775.65603971 Okay, well so, that, that satiates my kind of question of is Cool Runnings accurate? Do people appreciate the point of reference? Or is it more of the annoying only point of reference that think, I think 10, 15 years ago, it may have been annoying. 51 00:04:14,795.65703971 --> 00:04:17,775.65703971 I think now it's like, okay, at least you know what it is. 52 00:04:17,775.65703971 --> 00:04:18,565.65703971 You have an idea. 53 00:04:18,565.65703971 --> 00:04:22,441.86130398 So Sounds like Kaylee has a very storied career. 54 00:04:22,441.86130398 --> 00:04:30,811.86130398 So why don't we kind of rewind and tell me about how you and Kaylee met and what, tell, tell me how you kind of stumbled into each other's lives. 55 00:04:31,196.86130398 --> 00:04:38,430.19463731 Um, so how do you say this without, I haven't really figured out a good way to say this. 56 00:04:38,470.19463731 --> 00:04:39,930.19463731 I, I messaged her on Facebook. 57 00:04:40,300.19463731 --> 00:04:44,275.19463731 That's really what it is, slid into the DMs on Facebook. 58 00:04:44,420.19363731 --> 00:04:47,240.19363731 I don't recall him being called DMs at that time. 59 00:04:47,250.19363731 --> 00:04:58,790.19463731 So, you know, this is probably back in 2014 and on Facebook, at least at that time, again, you, you mostly only had friends that you knew and then maybe some friends of friends. 60 00:04:58,790.19463731 --> 00:05:02,246.86130398 And so where I had spent a year in the USA program. 61 00:05:02,766.86130398 --> 00:05:06,176.86130398 I was friends on Facebook with some of her friends and then. 62 00:05:06,741.86130398 --> 00:05:15,756.08030398 I remember seeing a photo of her on a horse in the Calgary, parade and I'm pretty sure I just messaged her. 63 00:05:16,56.08030398 --> 00:05:19,216.08130398 So, so there was two things, obviously I thought she was very attractive. 64 00:05:19,216.08130398 --> 00:05:21,366.08130398 I thought what she was doing was very impressive. 65 00:05:21,626.08130398 --> 00:05:25,346.08130398 She was also at that time, really pushing for equality within the sport. 66 00:05:25,786.08130398 --> 00:05:28,466.08130398 And so she was pushing to. 67 00:05:29,44.41463731 --> 00:05:31,74.41463731 be allowed to drive a four man sled. 68 00:05:31,144.41463731 --> 00:05:41,744.41463731 And I thought that was really cool as well because my little time in the sport, I did see, um, where ego still very much existed between the men and women. 69 00:05:41,744.41463731 --> 00:05:50,641.08130398 Uh, you know, so I, I, let's say I, I wrapped my, my sliding into her DMs in, I think you're very attractive. 70 00:05:50,811.08130398 --> 00:05:52,491.08030398 I also support what you're doing. 71 00:05:52,541.08030398 --> 00:05:54,341.08030398 And that's kind of how it got started. 72 00:05:54,956.08130398 --> 00:05:55,606.08130398 Amazing. 73 00:05:55,741.08130398 --> 00:05:58,721.08130398 I didn't, what was funny is I didn't expect to hear anything back. 74 00:05:58,721.08130398 --> 00:06:00,581.08130398 It was one of those, like, let's just see how it goes. 75 00:06:01,66.08130398 --> 00:06:09,126.08130398 Though, because of Facebook, she could look at who I knew and then she could piece it together and go, well, okay, he knows a few people that I do. 76 00:06:09,146.08030398 --> 00:06:13,166.08130398 So at least it's worth messaging back. 77 00:06:14,26.08130398 --> 00:06:16,506.08130398 There's some safety in that familiarity. 78 00:06:16,726.08030398 --> 00:06:17,236.08030398 Exactly. 79 00:06:17,266.08130398 --> 00:06:17,536.08130398 Yeah. 80 00:06:17,546.08130398 --> 00:06:19,986.08030398 So long winded story of messenger on Facebook. 81 00:06:20,896.08130398 --> 00:06:21,486.08130398 Okay. 82 00:06:21,536.08130398 --> 00:06:24,586.08130398 And so you mentioned being within the US program. 83 00:06:24,836.08130398 --> 00:06:31,981.08130398 I know you rode, I'm going to use the wrong terminology here, but you were In bobsledding, you were a pusher. 84 00:06:32,276.08230398 --> 00:06:32,836.08230398 Correct. 85 00:06:32,956.08030398 --> 00:06:33,246.08030398 Correct. 86 00:06:33,246.08130398 --> 00:06:41,366.08030398 So my my, my short stint, I was there and you have two positions mostly in, in Bob said you have the pusher and the driver, Kaylee is the driver. 87 00:06:41,366.08130398 --> 00:06:43,406.08130398 She started off as a pusher, became a driver. 88 00:06:43,951.08130398 --> 00:06:52,397.74797065 I was just a pusher for a short bit and then decided I didn't want to be a pusher anymore. 89 00:06:52,447.74797065 --> 00:06:55,497.74797065 And so, um, that was my stint in the career. 90 00:06:55,684.41463731 --> 00:07:02,664.41463731 And so, yeah, you, you, you would say that, Kaylee drives a bobsled and then her teammates would push the sled. 91 00:07:02,664.41463731 --> 00:07:04,14.41463731 So you're either a pusher or a driver. 92 00:07:05,24.41463731 --> 00:07:05,454.41463731 Okay. 93 00:07:05,734.41463731 --> 00:07:08,484.41463731 And how did you get recruited into the U. 94 00:07:08,484.41463731 --> 00:07:08,634.41463731 S. 95 00:07:08,634.41463731 --> 00:07:18,327.74697064 bobsled team? so it's, it's always odd stories on how this stuff, anybody that gets recruited into bobsled always has some sort of weird story typically. 96 00:07:18,347.84797064 --> 00:07:27,897.74797064 So I went to college and played football and ran track for a place called Pittsburgh State University, which is down in the southeast corner of Kansas. 97 00:07:28,557.74697064 --> 00:07:41,447.74797064 And so from there, I went to Kansas city, got a job in a gym as a personal trainer, was training a guy whose son was a financial advisor who I ended up in a conversation with,

who he used to be a rugby player and a bobsledder. 98 00:07:41,447.74797064 --> 00:07:43,287.74797064 And he said, Hey, I think you'd be good at this. 99 00:07:43,287.74797064 --> 00:07:43,917.74797064 Check it out. 100 00:07:44,617.74797064 --> 00:07:48,557.74797064 Went home, looked it up on YouTube and I thought, well, that's pretty cool. 101 00:07:48,597.74797064 --> 00:07:52,127.74797064 And so then they, they hold recruiting camps around the U S and so you just. 102 00:07:52,607.74797064 --> 00:07:59,271.08130398 Figure out, you go to one and then if you do well enough, they'll invite you to like the official USA tryouts. 103 00:07:59,621.08130398 --> 00:08:02,281.08130398 And typically that's still how it's done though. 104 00:08:02,617.74797064 --> 00:08:05,277.74697064 There's different things like a virtual combine and stuff like that. 105 00:08:05,277.74697064 --> 00:08:06,937.74597064 Wow, that's interesting. 106 00:08:06,937.74597064 --> 00:08:11,267.74697064 So are most, yeah, are most people who end up on the U. 107 00:08:11,267.74697064 --> 00:08:11,467.74697064 S. 108 00:08:11,477.74697064 --> 00:08:25,97.74797064 bobsled team, are they? Discovering it themselves and getting to those recruitment, events or is there like active recruitment going on as well? They're both, there, there are, there is a lot of active recruitment though. 109 00:08:25,637.74797064 --> 00:08:31,927.74797064 I get 95 to 99 percent of the athletes all come from a sport somewhere else. 110 00:08:31,957.74797064 --> 00:08:34,677.74797064 And majority of them come after college, after. 111 00:08:35,177.74797064 --> 00:08:37,297.74797064 You know, they've, competed in track and field. 112 00:08:37,297.74797064 --> 00:08:42,17.74797064 They're done with USATF or they played rugby, volleyball, softball. 113 00:08:42,877.74697064 --> 00:08:44,337.74797064 And so there's a mix. 114 00:08:44,347.74797064 --> 00:08:52,707.74697064 Sometimes it's a, Hey, I know a person who knows a person, they are trying to do a lot better job of recruiting people out of college. 115 00:08:52,707.74697064 --> 00:08:53,372.64697064 So it's, it's. 116 00:08:53,672.74697064 --> 00:08:54,512.74697064 It's a niche sport. 117 00:08:54,562.74697064 --> 00:08:55,702.74697064 It's a little bit difficult. 118 00:08:55,772.74697064 --> 00:09:04,522.74597064 i'd Say it's still probably 75 Somebody told you about it and 25 just actual straight recruiting. 119 00:09:05,642.74697064 --> 00:09:06,442.74697064 Interesting. 120 00:09:06,452.74697064 --> 00:09:23,226.08030398 Did you find that it was a hard sport to pick up? No, it's super, you know from the pushing side of things It's not a lot of brains that go into it realistically the less brains you have probably the better because It's can you push this as fast as you can? It's a pretty simple concept. 121 00:09:23,276.08030398 --> 00:09:26,566.08030398 Now, when it comes to the drivers, that's a whole, that's a real skill set. 122 00:09:26,566.08030398 --> 00:09:28,446.08030398 Not that pushy isn't a skill set for sure. 123 00:09:28,446.08030398 --> 00:09:35,836.07930398 It is because you do, you can get somebody who is a great Olympic sprinter that comes in and is terrible at pushing the sled. 124 00:09:36,316.07930398 --> 00:09:37,846.08030398 And then you'll get somebody who comes in. 125 00:09:37,846.08030398 --> 00:09:43,166.08030398 That was maybe from softball that you go, well, I don't really see the transition there and they're amazing at it. 126 00:09:43,166.08030398 --> 00:09:47,559.41363731 So it's this very interesting mix of strength, power, speed. 127 00:09:48,59.41363731 --> 00:09:50,119.41363731 And then you add the skill and the driving standpoint. 128 00:09:50,119.41363731 --> 00:10:01,342.74697064 Yeah, that's a, that's a whole different deal that typically they say takes Eight to ten years to really develop the skill So that's that's you know not my Yeah. 129 00:10:01,609.41363731 --> 00:10:01,999.41363731 not me. 130 00:10:02,659.41263731 --> 00:10:06,79.41263731 and it's a sport, it seems like it's a sport you can do for a while. 131 00:10:06,79.41263731 --> 00:10:29,511.07930398 I know you did about one year stint, but Kaylee's been doing it for over 20 She's been doing it for over 20 years, right? So she's she's a bit of an anomaly in a lot of ways one of them being that she started when she was 18 after she did ski competitive ski racing she realized her competitive ski racing had kind of come to an end where she said, I'm not going to get any better than I am. 132 00:10:29,951.08030398 --> 00:10:34,151.08030398 She had a few crashes, broke a few bones and decided like this just isn't for me. 133 00:10:34,761.08030398 --> 00:10:40,551.07930398 So she switched over and so she's, yeah, she's had a, she's, she's nearing 20 years in her career. 134 00:10:41,371.07930398 --> 00:10:45,411.07930398 And so it is typically a younger person's sport. 135 00:10:45,511.07930398 --> 00:10:56,326.07930398 So 21, Uh, though compared to maybe like, you know, gymnastics, you don't see any 12, year olds in it. 136 00:10:56,436.07830398 --> 00:11:04,376.07930398 And so as, as a push athlete, typically, you know, they might see a, a two Olympic cycle career. 137 00:11:04,556.07930398 --> 00:11:06,366.07930398 I think it's probably the average. 138 00:11:06,716.07930398 --> 00:11:09,875.97930398 And then the drivers, they can range anywhere from two to 10. 139 00:11:10,136.07930398 --> 00:11:13,266.07930398 Kaylee will be She's 39 now. 140 00:11:13,286.07930398 --> 00:11:16,406.07930398 So I guess that gives you an idea of that. 141 00:11:16,416.07930398 --> 00:11:20,456.07930398 Yes There is some potential for longevity in it if you Wow. 142 00:11:20,726.07930398 --> 00:11:21,846.07930398 yeah, that's really impressive. 143 00:11:21,866.07930398 --> 00:11:30,26.07930398 Especially having that longevity when that's not a sport or

something you discover as like a 10 year old and get all jazzed up on. 144 00:11:30,686.07830398 --> 00:11:31,56.07830398 Right. 145 00:11:31,746.07930398 --> 00:11:46,699.41263731 Yeah, And I think that's maybe what makes it what keeps it in a bit of a niche is For the most part, they are doing more youth programs, but for the most part, it's 18 and above before you could start for maturity reasons, bone density, all that sort of stuff. 146 00:11:46,699.41263731 --> 00:11:53,59.41163731 Cause it, you know, you pull a lot of G's, it's a lot of potential, risk and accidents and all that sort of stuff. 147 00:11:53,779.41263731 --> 00:11:54,369.41263731 Yeah. 148 00:11:54,749.41263731 --> 00:11:59,519.41263731 So when you spent your year being dumped into the Right. 149 00:12:00,9.41263731 --> 00:12:14,99.41263731 world, was like, was Kaylee on your radar as an athlete already? Like, was she someone that people talked about? I remember so little about that first year because it is just an absolute like blast. 150 00:12:14,109.41263731 --> 00:12:16,829.41163731 You drink from a fire hose, just trying to figure everything out. 151 00:12:17,404.41263731 --> 00:12:27,371.07830398 And so I was in and out you know, what's funny is I even remember watching the 2010 Olympics on TV because I mean, we didn't make it. 152 00:12:27,391.07930398 --> 00:12:28,661.07930398 And so I watched it. 153 00:12:28,741.07830398 --> 00:12:35,275.97930398 I remember watching the men's and I'm sure I watched the women's, but I, so not even on the radar at all. 154 00:12:36,26.07930398 --> 00:12:50,196.07930398 And so, in I guess it would have been, uh, late 2014, I think maybe, maybe even early 2015? So she would have just somewhat recently won gold in Russia, in the, uh, Russia games. 155 00:12:50,256.07830398 --> 00:12:54,226.07830398 And so, at that point, she was, she was on my radar. 156 00:12:54,636.07830398 --> 00:13:00,914.11548347 Though, I'm not sure that I knew, actually that's, I know I knew how good she was. 157 00:13:01,649.11548347 --> 00:13:16,439.11548347 And so then when we started talking then, which was four years after I was there, what was nice is I was far enough removed from that time of my competing and I had, you know, there was no, Oh, maybe I'll get back into it. 158 00:13:16,449.11548347 --> 00:13:21,519.11548347 Cause that happens a lot in the sport because there is longevity from the pushing standpoint. 159 00:13:22,174.11548347 --> 00:13:24,914.11548347 You know, once you develop the skill, it's kind of like riding a bike. 160 00:13:24,924.11548347 --> 00:13:26,114.11548347 You can always get back into it. 161 00:13:26,664.11548347 --> 00:13:33,864.11548347 Though in, in our conversations I had with her, I was able to speak a similar language, obviously like. 162 00:13:34,684.11548347 --> 00:13:36,944.11548347 I was probably on a third, third grade level. 163 00:13:36,944.11548347 --> 00:13:40,554.11548347 And she's like PhD, you know, master's doctorate, like level. 164 00:13:40,564.11548347 --> 00:13:44,684.11548347 So we could, I could at least fumble around with what she was saying. 165 00:13:45,234.11548347 --> 00:13:47,104.11548347 And I had no competitive interests. 166 00:13:47,114.11548347 --> 00:13:58,499.11548347 So we were able to have some nice conversations, especially revolved around, her fighting for the equality in sport, uh, I appreciated that part, of what she was doing. 167 00:13:58,499.11548347 --> 00:14:01,279.11548347 And so we generally got along too. 168 00:14:01,279.11548347 --> 00:14:02,799.11548347 So it wasn't just bobsled. 169 00:14:02,799.11548347 --> 00:14:08,619.11448347 So at that time, and, and still some, I do a lot of health, fitness, coaching, training, and stuff like that. 170 00:14:08,619.11448347 --> 00:14:08,839.11448347 So. 171 00:14:09,264.11548347 --> 00:14:17,379.03548347 You know, even if you take the sport itself away from it, we still have the commonality of workouts and healthy eating, healthy living, things like that. 172 00:14:17,979.03548347 --> 00:14:26,49.03548347 So if we did hit a bump in Bob said we could always go to how much do you squat? How much do you lift? You know, all that sort of stuff. 173 00:14:26,849.03548347 --> 00:14:31,304.03548347 Micro, macro, all of those gym Exactly. 174 00:14:31,304.03548347 --> 00:14:31,604.03548347 Yeah. 175 00:14:32,44.03548347 --> 00:14:34,909.03548347 What shoes do you like? Yeah, that Exactly. 176 00:14:36,409.03548347 --> 00:15:06,485.70415013 And so when you two started dating, was it kind of, was it a change in pace from maybe past relationships? I mean, dating an Olympian, it just sounds really intense, but as you got to know Kaylee more and understood more about her position in bobsledding, what was that experience kind of like? You know, that's a good question because, because we were long distance, so I was living in San Diego, still, still do now, shoes was living in in Canada. 177 00:15:06,515.70415013 --> 00:15:09,155.70415013 That kind of stunted our initial. 178 00:15:09,734.03748347 --> 00:15:26,47.3708168 You know, we, we talked back and forth, and it's kind of, gosh, you're all the way up there, I'm all the way down here, long distance, and so she randomly, and I guess this is a bit of the story too, she came down to San Clemente, which is on the north side of San Diego, which is also roughly where I live. 179 00:15:26,500.70415013 --> 00:15:34,290.70415013 To get a tattoo from a guy who flies in from Sweden and he comes in, you know, maybe once a year and then all of his local U. 180 00:15:34,290.70415013 --> 00:15:34,500.70415013 S. 181 00:15:34,500.70415013 --> 00:15:37,960.70415013 people all fly into that location, get a tattoo, fly out. 182 00:15:38,690.70315013 --> 00:15:40,840.70315013 They call it guest spotting or something like that. 183 00:15:40,850.70315013 --> 00:15:41,260.70415013 I don't know. 184

00:15:41,310.70315013 --> 00:15:44,500.70415013 I have no tattoos, so I live vicariously through her. 185 00:15:44,632.95307662 --> 00:15:48,2.75307662 Mmm. 186 00:15:48,257.85307662 --> 00:15:51,581.18640995 Clemente getting a tattoo and I went, I mean, I'm right here. 187 00:15:52,301.18640995 --> 00:15:55,621.18640995 Do you want to get dinner? She said, well, if you come up here, yes. 188 00:15:55,811.18640995 --> 00:15:56,111.18640995 Okay. 189 00:15:56,111.18640995 --> 00:15:58,311.18590995 So, so we went up, had dinner. 190 00:15:58,311.18590995 --> 00:15:59,151.18640995 It went great. 191 00:15:59,201.18640995 --> 00:16:03,481.18640995 We had dinner the next night with the tattoo artist, spent time on ocean beach and just got to know each other. 192 00:16:03,751.18640995 --> 00:16:06,111.18540995 So that kind of started everything. 193 00:16:06,811.18540995 --> 00:16:13,71.18640995 And it was intimidating in the fact of she is the best in the world at what she does. 194 00:16:13,71.18640995 --> 00:16:13,961.18640995 She is an Olympian. 195 00:16:15,216.18640995 --> 00:16:35,869.51974328 Though I, I think because she went back to Canada, we continued talking on the phone, you know, she went on her next season, because we were long distance, I didn't really get to or have to live in that environment of you are the best, this is high level, you know, we would talk when she was free, when she was having ups or downs. 196 00:16:35,869.51974328 --> 00:16:45,349.5197433 And so it was kind of just like a normal relationship, except, you know, instead of her coming home from her job and wanting to talk about X, Y, and Z. 197 00:16:45,349.5197433 --> 00:16:48,689.5197433 And, you know, it was, this is how sport went. 198 00:16:48,689.5197433 --> 00:16:52,209.5197433 This is how the competition went and things like that. 199 00:16:52,209.5197433 --> 00:16:56,346.18541 So early on, yeah, I think it was kind of just normal for the most part. 200 00:16:57,126.18541 --> 00:17:12,381.18641 That's, nice that like, I think long distance relationships have Pros and cons, for sure, but like, having it provide a buffer from the really intense environment of like, the larger than life aspect of Kayleigh, like, that is a huge pro. 201 00:17:13,446.18641 --> 00:17:19,296.18741 It was a pro and I didn't know at the time what it also forced us to do was it really forced us to communicate. 202 00:17:20,46.18741 --> 00:17:27,282.8540766 Because we couldn't rely on any sort of in person body language or physical acts or anything. 203 00:17:27,692.8540766 --> 00:17:32,832.8540766 now luckily there was FaceTime and so we could still get that kind of facial recognition and all that. 204 00:17:33,342.8540766 --> 00:17:41,322.8540766 Though, like you said, you know, if she, if she called me and had a bad day, I didn't have to live in that when I quite frankly, wasn't ready for it. 205 00:17:41,382.8540766 --> 00:17:48,102.8530766 You know, I was living in Cardiff, California, surfing, you know, on the weekends, like just hanging loose, like just having a good time. 206 00:17:48,712.8540766 --> 00:17:52,82.8530766 And so she's like, you know, fighting for a life week in and a week out. 207 00:17:52,522.8540766 --> 00:17:55,492.8540766 And so that allowed me to get to know it. 208 00:17:55,722.8540766 --> 00:18:00,466.18741 And then at the end of the phone phone conversation, that was it, You don't have to carry it with you. 209 00:18:00,786.18741 --> 00:18:01,56.18741 right. 210 00:18:01,106.18741 --> 00:18:02,766.18741 I didn't have to live in that space. 211 00:18:03,301.18741 --> 00:18:05,91.18741 when without a doubt, I wouldn't have been ready. 212 00:18:05,91.18741 --> 00:18:16,11.18741 I would have tried too hard, done too much or done nothing at all, without getting to know her first and then understanding a bit more on this is how she operates. 213 00:18:16,21.18741 --> 00:18:17,431.18741 This is how she thinks. 214 00:18:17,791.18641 --> 00:18:19,591.18541 so this is, this is normal. 215 00:18:19,591.18641 --> 00:18:20,881.18541 This is that normal. 216 00:18:21,361.18641 --> 00:18:26,681.0392048 this is how we can communicate, you know, a lot of it was different time zones. 217 00:18:26,691.0392048 --> 00:18:28,391.0392048 She's in Europe, so it's nine hours. 218 00:18:29,181.0392048 --> 00:18:33,143.0058971 Um, though that being said,, I make, make it sound like we did this for 10 years. 219 00:18:33,173.0058971 --> 00:18:37,686.3382305 I believe we dated long distance for roughly a year to a year and a half. 220 00:18:38,506.3392305 --> 00:18:38,926.3392305 Okay. 221 00:18:39,146.3392305 --> 00:18:44,206.3392305 and then it became a, you know, I think we knew there was something there, and we said, we just. 222 00:18:44,736.3392305 --> 00:18:47,626.3392305 We're going to have to see if this works, uh, you know, really give it a go. 223 00:18:47,626.3392305 --> 00:18:54,791.977692 Because the issue was one of the issues was when she would come home from tour, she would be in Calgary. 224 00:18:55,121.977692 --> 00:18:56,851.976692 And so then it was, well, you got to come here. 225 00:18:56,851.977692 --> 00:18:57,781.977692 I got to go there. 226 00:18:57,831.977692 --> 00:18:59,271.977692 So we go, okay, let's figure this out. 227 00:18:59,638.3315382 --> 00:19:00,488.3305382 My pitch was. 228 00:19:00,873.4969228 --> 00:19:06,763.4969228 Do you want to move to San Diego? That's mostly, that's mostly all it took, quite frankly. 229 00:19:06,763.4969228 --> 00:19:11,663.4969228 It was, am I going to Calgary or are you coming to San Diego? It's beautiful here. 230 00:19:11,673.4959228 --> 00:19:16,603.4969228 You know, so what worked out well, A, it's San Diego. 231 00:19:16,993.4959228 --> 00:19:21,363.4959228 She spent the majority of her summers in Phoenix training with a strength and speed coach. 232 00:19:21,743.4959228 --> 00:19:24,93.4959228

So she was used to spending time in us. 233 00:19:24,93.4959228 --> 00:19:25,303.4959228 She liked the us. 234 00:19:25,313.4959228 --> 00:19:26,933.9738458 So she moved down here. 235 00:19:26,933.9738458 --> 00:19:29,503.9728458 She still competed for Team Canada at that time. 236 00:19:29,943.9738458 --> 00:19:33,543.9738458 And so we still had kind of a, call it a long distance relationship. 237 00:19:33,773.9738458 --> 00:19:37,43.9738458 Though, when she came home, it was to our home, which was really nice. 238 00:19:37,53.9738458 --> 00:19:39,983.9738458 That, that really sped our relationship up, if you will. 239 00:19:40,268.9738458 --> 00:19:41,28.9738458 Definitely. 240 00:19:41,228.9738458 --> 00:19:56,758.9738458 How much travel is required for Kaylee and her team in terms of like both training schedule but also competition schedule? In the off season, training is primarily done wherever you want, because all you need is a gym and a track, so you can do it anywhere. 241 00:19:57,548.9738458 --> 00:20:01,768.9738458 During the season, they typically start, I'd say October. 242 00:20:02,693.9738458 --> 00:20:06,403.9738458 I'm sure I'll get this wrong and she'll correct me later. 243 00:20:07,151.6246395 --> 00:20:14,293.9738458 they, they travel typically, October until March is roughly how, how long their season spans. 244 00:20:14,293.9738458 --> 00:20:18,913.9728458 And so obviously you can't bobsled in San Diego. 245 00:20:18,913.9738458 --> 00:20:19,983.9733458 So you have to go somewhere. 246 00:20:19,983.9733458 --> 00:20:23,544.0728458 So if you're on the U S team, your station is Lake Placid, New York. 247 00:20:23,934.0728458 --> 00:20:33,294.0728458 So you fly up there, you're there the majority of the time, and then the season can run anywhere from, uh, around North America, so Lake Placid, Park City, or Whistler, Canada. 248 00:20:33,954.0728458 --> 00:20:35,694.0718458 Majority of the season is over in Europe. 249 00:20:36,274.0728458 --> 00:20:39,934.0728458 So you're in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Latvia, France. 250 00:20:40,469.0728458 --> 00:20:45,629.0728458 So you're gone essentially, from about October until March. 251 00:20:46,169.0728458 --> 00:20:49,59.0728458 Sometimes they get a Christmas break, it just depends on the season. 252 00:20:49,129.0728458 --> 00:20:52,815.7395125 Typically they like to take two weeks off for Christmas, but it's hit and miss. 253 00:20:52,825.7395125 --> 00:20:56,639.0718458 So, you're gone for, up to six months. 254 00:20:56,639.0718458 --> 00:20:58,449.0718458 Typically, there's breaks in there. 255 00:20:58,709.0718458 --> 00:21:01,419.0718458 And you're, you're, you're flying to all these different time zones. 256 00:21:01,839.0718458 --> 00:21:05,659.0718458 So that makes it a little bit more difficult if, if I'm staying at home. 257 00:21:06,19.0718458 --> 00:21:08,439.0718458 Which later on, eventually, I did not. 258 00:21:08,649.0718458 --> 00:21:10,999.0708458 I went along with her on tour for a couple years. 259 00:21:11,939.0718458 --> 00:21:12,229.0718458 Yeah. 260 00:21:12,229.0718458 --> 00:21:24,94.0718458 I was, I was going to ask, like, having her move to the same city, same location, that's a huge, awesome, finally, we're like face to face doing this, and then she's like, anyways, I actually have to go you later. 261 00:21:24,914.0718458 --> 00:21:37,409.1487689 Uh, if I recall, She moved down here middle of the summer or so and it was like a month later because that's when season started she was still with team canada at that point so she had to go back to calgary do a lot of training up there. 262 00:21:37,779.1487689 --> 00:21:40,889.1487689 And so it pretty much was dream come true. 263 00:21:40,899.1487689 --> 00:21:41,709.1487689 We're moving in. 264 00:21:42,469.1487689 --> 00:21:43,149.1487689 see you later. 265 00:21:43,989.1487689 --> 00:21:44,499.1487689 All right. 266 00:21:45,339.1487689 --> 00:21:46,839.1487689 We did get a dog at that point. 267 00:21:46,849.1477689 --> 00:21:47,499.1487689 I got a dog. 268 00:21:47,549.1487689 --> 00:21:51,369.0477689 Uh, she got a dog for me now we have a dog. 269 00:21:51,684.1487689 --> 00:21:52,814.1487689 So that you wouldn't be lonely. 270 00:21:52,864.1487689 --> 00:21:53,704.1487689 Yeah, makes sense. 271 00:21:53,999.1477689 --> 00:21:54,319.1477689 Yeah. 272 00:21:55,284.1487689 --> 00:22:04,889.1497689 When did you first get to travel with her, either to training or a competition? so what we tried to do as we learned, I think after maybe the first year was. 273 00:22:05,244.1497689 --> 00:22:08,764.1497689 we're okay up to about four weeks of being apart. 274 00:22:08,874.1497689 --> 00:22:13,234.1497689 And then that's when we kind of go, Oh, this sucks. 275 00:22:13,774.1497689 --> 00:22:15,574.1487689 I don't want to deal with this anymore. 276 00:22:15,584.1497689 --> 00:22:23,80.8154356 And so what I tried to do, what we tried to do is I would go to wherever she was at that time for a week or two. 277 00:22:23,820.8154356 --> 00:22:30,773.2664356 And so sometimes that would be, you know, early on that have been probably the years of 16, 17 and 18. 278 00:22:30,773.2664356 --> 00:22:35,470.8154356 And I would go to Whistler when they were up there and stay there for the week. 279 00:22:35,940.8164356 --> 00:22:37,940.8164356 I went over to Europe once or twice. 280 00:22:38,0.8164356 --> 00:22:49,250.8164356 I did one time fly to Germany over a weekend, stay for the weekend and come back, which, you know, at the time it was, it wasn't even a question. 281 00:22:49,260.8154356 --> 00:22:53,950.8154356 Like, yeah, I'm going, I'm there when I do it today, holy moly. 282 00:22:54,240.8154356 --> 00:22:54,955.7164356 Like that was. 283 00:22:55,725.8164356 --> 00:22:56,845.8164356 I still would, without a doubt. 284 00:22:56,875.8164356 --> 00:23:05,305.8154356 It's just, the way that it

all worked out, it was, well, either I go now and I see you a bit, or it's gonna be like, the way the schedule worked out. 285 00:23:05,305.8164356 --> 00:23:09,615.8149356 So, yeah, 16, 17, I would go, we weren't engaged at that point. 286 00:23:09,679.4512992 --> 00:23:15,59.4512992 The team generally was okay with me being there, mostly because I was invited by Kaylee. 287 00:23:15,629.4512992 --> 00:23:20,719.4512992 I, I tried to keep my distance from, like, not getting in the way of things. 288 00:23:20,789.4512992 --> 00:23:22,989.4512992 Though, also, not being a bump in a log. 289 00:23:22,989.4512992 --> 00:23:40,647.7846326 So, it, it's, it was an interesting time, um, that I was there for her, though you kind of just get sucked into, like, well, I mean, if I'm here, I can, I can lift that, and I can lift this, and And that part, I, I believe in her mind. 290 00:23:40,697.7846326 --> 00:23:48,37.7846326 That was a kind of a test for her to see like, if this is gonna work out, he's be on tour and not screw everything up for me. 291 00:23:49,17.7846326 --> 00:23:50,107.7836326 Is pretty much what it was. 292 00:23:50,177.7846326 --> 00:23:52,657.7846326 Uh, And I believe I did that. 293 00:23:52,837.7836326 --> 00:23:54,757.7846326 I, I did not screw things up. 294 00:23:55,207.7846326 --> 00:23:56,957.7846326 And I added more than I subtracted. 295 00:23:57,907.7846326 --> 00:24:00,757.7846326 So, uh, that, that was nice. 296 00:24:00,857.7846326 --> 00:24:01,707.7846326 still not ideal. 297 00:24:01,717.7846326 --> 00:24:07,907.7846326 Honestly, it still sucked because you're, you're with each other for a week or two, and then you're not for a month and then it might be a week here. 298 00:24:07,907.7846326 --> 00:24:11,137.7846326 And, and there, you know, there's still, again, no doubt that it sucked. 299 00:24:11,537.7846326 --> 00:24:12,937.7846326 And it made things difficult. 300 00:24:12,937.7846326 --> 00:24:34,147.7846326 And when you're, when you're trying to grow a new relationship She moves down from canada i'm all excited and then i'm all alone again And i'm like wait a minute, you know, and she's She's used to that lifestyle for the last 10 years i'm not saying it was easy for her though I think she was just used to the routine and how it worked and And I definitely had to get used to that because you're right. 301 00:24:34,147.7846326 --> 00:24:39,647.7846326 It was different than last relationships that I date somebody locally that you can see each other whenever you want. 302 00:24:40,174.4512992 --> 00:24:43,194.4512992 so, you know, it took some maturing. 303 00:24:43,554.4512992 --> 00:24:59,194.4512992 On like maturing or like insecurity front, like in that new relationship, you know, you fly to Germany for a weekend and you're kind of like, I would like a little more attention than I'm getting, but I also can't ask for it. 304 00:24:59,204.4512992 --> 00:25:10,834.4512992 And so I, I have to imagine that was like a really interesting learning for you of just how do I make sure I feel good in this relationship when it's, what I'm getting back is so different from what I've Right. 305 00:25:11,504.4502992 --> 00:25:19,664.4502992 That is a whole psychological question of, you're right in, you know, we could both have to put a hundred percent in though. 306 00:25:19,664.4512992 --> 00:25:22,990.5609146 What does that a hundred percent look like for each of us? Yeah. 307 00:25:23,323.9310685 --> 00:25:39,443.9320685 where, where I think I career wise that led me down to the personal training route, which was essentially in a way kind of learning to take care of people and, help people meet their needs by me being there and facilitating X, Y, and Z. 308 00:25:40,138.9320685 --> 00:25:50,248.9320685 So I think that actually helped, with, this lopsided, um, I, yeah, I call it a lopsided relationship in what she could give versus what I could give. 309 00:25:50,928.9310685 --> 00:25:53,438.9320685 And so what, you know, what she could give. 310 00:25:53,438.9320685 --> 00:26:01,558.9320685 And for me, I didn't travel a lot growing up and I didn't get to go to a lot of places necessarily outside of the U S and outside of Kansas for the most part. 311 00:26:02,312.2654018 --> 00:26:05,912.2644018 so She opened the door for different things like travel. 312 00:26:06,252.2654018 --> 00:26:08,762.2654018 She was willing to include me in things. 313 00:26:09,547.2654018 --> 00:26:16,127.2654018 And so while maybe I didn't get the attention that I would typically get, I was getting other things in the relationship. 314 00:26:16,127.2654018 --> 00:26:23,939.1546326 And so, it allowed me to give, which in a relationship, you know, the the saying of, you know, what you give you have forever. 315 00:26:24,9.1546326 --> 00:26:33,294.1546326 So, It allowed me to give and support her and to quite frankly feel like I was important because I was fulfilling that role for her Yeah. 316 00:26:33,779.1546326 --> 00:26:35,534.1546326 because I remember Yeah. 317 00:26:35,534.1546326 --> 00:26:42,964.1556326 I remember a conversation that we had early on was I had to ask her because you know when I met her she had a strength coach. 318 00:26:42,974.1556326 --> 00:27:11,17.5514659 She had a psychologist She had a head coach of this coach of that coach a friend and I just said I I'm not sure What I can give you, what, what do I give you in this relationship? And that's when we really got into the, what role from a professional side can I feel, and then what role from a personal side can I feel? So do you train with Kaylee or help her on some sort of the training side at all? It really depends early on. 319 00:27:11,37.5514659 --> 00:27:12,587.5514659 No early on. 320 00:27:12,617.5504659 --> 00:27:16,677.4514659 I was, I was there for moral support to be the boyfriend to, you know. 321 00:27:17,70.8847993 --> 00:27:28,874.2181326 Over the years,

what we've learned is we can work out next to each other and, we don't do well if I try to push her or if she tries to push me in a workout. 322 00:27:28,974.2181326 --> 00:27:31,244.2171326 And I think it's because. 323 00:27:31,674.2181326 --> 00:27:36,954.2181326 When we got together, we, we were pretty, forthright on boundaries. 324 00:27:36,954.2181326 --> 00:27:40,174.2181326 It was, you know, we want to keep our relationship as our relationship. 325 00:27:40,184.2181326 --> 00:27:43,344.2171326 I don't want to be your strength coach, your speed coach, your nutritionist. 326 00:27:43,824.2181326 --> 00:27:46,844.2171326 If I can fill in and help out, I'll absolutely gladly do that. 327 00:27:46,894.2181326 --> 00:27:48,264.2171326 And that works really well. 328 00:27:49,124.2181326 --> 00:27:52,914.2181326 Um, though, to keep our boundaries where they are, that's what works really well for us. 329 00:27:53,549.2181326 --> 00:27:53,689.2181326 Now. 330 00:27:53,689.2181326 --> 00:27:59,969.2181326 Of course, there was times where, uh, in the COVID years where coaching was tough to come by, you know, that changed a little bit. 331 00:28:00,439.2181326 --> 00:28:06,729.2181326 though, no, I, I can't tell her lift more weight, push harder, do this at that. 332 00:28:06,729.2181326 --> 00:28:07,189.2181326 Because. 333 00:28:07,779.2181326 --> 00:28:11,229.2181326 The natural tendency is like, whoa, you lift more weight. 334 00:28:11,439.2181326 --> 00:28:12,489.2181326 So, so Yeah. 335 00:28:12,499.2181326 --> 00:28:25,702.5524659 I think we're good at motivating each other, and holding each other accountable to somebody else, not holding her accountable to me because I facilitate the program that maybe the coach gives. 336 00:28:25,702.5524659 --> 00:28:26,802.4889659 so Yes. 337 00:28:27,52.4889659 --> 00:28:27,862.4899659 That makes sense. 338 00:28:28,22.7089285 --> 00:28:31,262.5524659 as life has, has gone on, I have gotten more involved. 339 00:28:32,327.5524659 --> 00:28:43,267.5519659 And she's trusted me more when I say something, because early on, you know, she trusts the people she trusts because they've served her well for 10 years or her best friends or her coaches, all that sort of stuff. 340 00:28:43,267.5519659 --> 00:28:44,27.5524659 And I'm just. 341 00:28:45,744.2191326 --> 00:29:00,264.2191326 Um, and so I've learned over the years from her and from the people that she works with to where now, when I say the things I say, if it's a conversation, typically it's from the education I've gotten from the people she works with. 342 00:29:01,84.2191326 --> 00:29:03,214.2181326 So the language that I'm using isn't so foreign. 343 00:29:03,214.2181326 --> 00:29:03,974.2181326 It isn't so weird. 344 00:29:03,974.2181326 --> 00:29:06,644.2191326 She goes, Oh yeah, that's what Stu would have said. 345 00:29:06,644.2191326 --> 00:29:10,4.2191326 Or, you know, in this scenario, I believe Stu would tell you to do

this and that's. 346 00:29:10,4.2191326 --> 00:29:16,54.2191326 That level that then we can say, Oh, you should do five more because that's probably what stew would have you do. 347 00:29:16,150.8232992 --> 00:29:16,660.8232992 Got it. 348 00:29:17,440.8232992 --> 00:29:18,610.8232992 That makes a ton of sense. 349 00:29:18,880.8232992 --> 00:29:26,110.8232992 Do you find that, Kaylee has all these people that are helping out, you know, across physical, mental, nutrition, all that good stuff. 350 00:29:26,760.8222992 --> 00:29:39,977.5524659 Do you do you enjoy being in the thick of that group and like, having kind of a built a built in family, a built in group of friends? Or is that was that kind of overwhelming to step into? It was overwhelming without a doubt. 351 00:29:40,17.5524659 --> 00:29:44,157.5524659 I mean, talk about insecurities and not know where I fit in. 352 00:29:44,167.5524659 --> 00:29:51,627.5524659 Like, I'm, I'm just trying to think what can I say here? To not sound incredibly stupid yet. 353 00:29:51,657.5524659 --> 00:30:00,744.2181326 Also, what can I say here to, to feel like I'm, I'm contributing so that, that was, that was, very overwhelming. 354 00:30:01,104.2191326 --> 00:30:11,889.005671 And as we got further in our relationship, that's where it became more important and clear to us kind of, again, where where's our boundaries and I think that's just, that's just how we wanted to keep it. 355 00:30:11,889.005671 --> 00:30:12,209.005671 And that's. 356 00:30:12,844.005671 --> 00:30:20,797.3390044 For the most part, how it stayed is when it comes to training, lifting, pushing, she relies on these five people. 357 00:30:21,577.3390044 --> 00:30:27,647.3390044 if there's a 16th of a thing that we're trying to figure out, I'll take a look and give my opinion. 358 00:30:28,87.3390044 --> 00:30:28,677.3390044 That's about it. 359 00:30:30,187.3400044 --> 00:30:30,777.3410044 That's about it. 360 00:30:31,727.3400044 --> 00:30:34,747.3400044 Cause I'd rather stay, the supportive husband. 361 00:30:35,97.3400044 --> 00:30:36,207.3400044 I'm here for you. 362 00:30:36,634.006671 --> 00:30:39,450.6733377 I'll give you a hug, a kiss, and, you know, focus on that. 363 00:30:40,190.6733377 --> 00:30:41,790.6733377 that I can be good at, yeah. 364 00:30:42,680.6733377 --> 00:31:02,7.3390044 And I know that that's a role that I can fulfill, that fulfills me, fulfills her, so it works out is the significant other community of the bobsled world a, a big community? Like do you hang out with other spouses or boyfriends and girlfriends at races? Nope. 365 00:31:02,707.3400044 --> 00:31:05,137.3390044 nope, it's just me. 366 00:31:06,187.3400044 --> 00:31:09,747.3400044 So the bobsled community is small in general, you know, without a doubt. 367 00:31:09,777.3400044 --> 00:31:19,723.8923121 And so Let's say there's, um, gosh, I don't know, let's say there's 30 teams at a track and each team is a driver and then there's various people in there. 368 00:31:20,253.8923121 --> 00:31:24,663.8913121 I mean, I don't even know if you'd say that maybe 25 percent or less are married. 369 00:31:25,568.8923121 --> 00:31:30,308.8923121 Uh, and cause like I said, a lot of them are 25. 370 00:31:30,338.8923121 --> 00:31:34,278.8923121 And many of them are putting off marriage and other things until after the career. 371 00:31:34,278.8923121 --> 00:31:42,928.8913121 And then some of them have boyfriends and girlfriends though, because of the odd travel schedule, because you know, nobody's making a million dollars a year. 372 00:31:43,208.8923121 --> 00:31:48,398.8923121 You know, you're lucky if you make 10, 000 a year, having your significant, significant other. 373 00:31:48,908.8923121 --> 00:31:56,398.8913121 Either paying for them to fly over to, Austria or Germany, and then stay in a hotel where you're going from place to place to place for a week. 374 00:31:57,256.7438505 --> 00:31:57,776.7438505 Difficult. 375 00:31:58,336.7438505 --> 00:32:05,436.7433505 There's more, I'd say like on the German side of things and some of the European, a lot of the European men are, are, are married with kids. 376 00:32:05,836.7433505 --> 00:32:09,476.7443505 I would say on the U S and Canadian side, some are married though. 377 00:32:09,506.7443505 --> 00:32:11,386.7443505 The majority of them don't come on tour. 378 00:32:11,546.7443505 --> 00:32:13,356.7443505 And just for all the reasons, so it's just. 379 00:32:13,921.7443505 --> 00:32:45,675.0756839 The excess money, the difficulty in travel, um, when you go to these hotels, there's not a lot of rooms, the days are super busy, and so it's, it's not a big community, I mean, I wouldn't even call it, I wouldn't even call it a community, we exist, We're there, We're there, we're alive, Well, and so that must make it hard when kind of sharing with your family or friends who are not familiar with bobsledding, not familiar with kind of the circuit overall. 380 00:32:46,595.0746839 --> 00:32:49,745.0736839 Do you find that either, you feel a little bit of. 381 00:32:50,605.0736839 --> 00:33:01,835.1361839 FOMO in terms of like, oh, all my friends are able to see their significant others constantly or your parents and siblings are like, it's weird that Kaylee travels so right. 382 00:33:02,55.0736839 --> 00:33:03,495.0736839 must be hard for you. 383 00:33:04,115.1361839 --> 00:33:06,255.1361839 Yeah, it, it, it was difficult. 384 00:33:07,265.1361839 --> 00:33:14,851.8018506 in the beginning, um, because like, yeah, like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm two years in, three years into dating Kaylee, and I go home for Christmas, and I'm by myself. 385 00:33:14,871.8028506 --> 00:33:26,211.8038506 I go, this sucks, right? And where, where we've, where we've gotten better is because we've been lucky enough, I've been able to travel with her for the last two seasons. 386 00:33:26,946.8038506 --> 00:33:46,656.8038506 That

really has changed everything, though I think still to your point, you know, talking with friends and family, most people see the cool Instagram videos they see, you know, her winning on the podium, and that's what they should see that that's that's the highlights there, you know, typically, that's what people like, you know, when you go to a hotel. 387 00:33:47,606.8038506 --> 00:33:52,826.8038506 They don't show you the kitchen first because you don't want to see that because it's not attractive. 388 00:33:52,826.8038506 --> 00:33:57,926.8038506 It's, it's not, it's not, you know, that is where things are made so it can be presented on this beautiful dish. 389 00:33:57,936.8038506 --> 00:34:03,671.7413505 And that's, that's kind of how the Bob's any sport world Yeah. 390 00:34:04,136.8038506 --> 00:34:08,326.8048506 And, so it's, it has been, I don't say difficult, it's just been different. 391 00:34:08,386.8048506 --> 00:34:08,986.8048506 so you're right. 392 00:34:08,986.8048506 --> 00:34:12,316.8048506 And there's not a lot of people to not a lot of people to relate to. 393 00:34:12,816.8048506 --> 00:34:13,571.7423505 Uh, Yeah. 394 00:34:14,36.8048506 --> 00:34:24,490.1381839 is small and in the world of sports, there are a lot more, spouses who are wives of the, of the athlete than there are husbands of the athlete. 395 00:34:24,490.1381839 --> 00:34:34,410.1381839 So it's a, you know, talking about a community within a community within a community, you're talking about bobsled husbands and or, you know, Olympic sport husbands. 396 00:34:34,480.1381839 --> 00:34:36,420.1381839 It's, it's a pretty small pool. 397 00:34:37,205.0746839 --> 00:34:37,645.0746839 Yeah. 398 00:34:37,800.2381839 --> 00:34:44,23.4715172 And suppose maybe you would do good to connect with some of them. 399 00:34:44,23.4715172 --> 00:34:46,483.4715172 I think it's just every scenario is so different. 400 00:34:47,476.8048506 --> 00:34:52,576.8048506 and you tend to put things off as I have found out, as we have found out. 401 00:34:53,36.8038506 --> 00:34:55,956.8028506 Um, you tend to put things in a schedule. 402 00:34:56,591.8038506 --> 00:35:01,661.8038506 Uh, kind of like, you know, now Kaylee's pregnant, though that was something we wanted to do years ago. 403 00:35:02,81.8038506 --> 00:35:07,531.8038506 Though we kind of had to wait for the right time in her career, and that changes a lot. 404 00:35:07,591.8038506 --> 00:35:14,551.8038506 You know, compared to, if we worked, quote unquote, more of a normal job, then we probably would see more friends on the weekends. 405 00:35:14,551.8038506 --> 00:35:17,911.8038506 It's like, oh crap, I'm home by myself again and my wife's gone. 406 00:35:17,971.8038506 --> 00:35:24,101.8038506 and so you'd think, oh, shouldn't you reach out and go see friends? And you do, and you want to though. 407 00:35:24,701.8038506 --> 00:35:26,371.8038506 You know, the conversations are different. 408 00:35:26,411.8038506 --> 00:35:28,411.8038506 The things we're going through are different. 409 00:35:28,411.8038506 --> 00:35:29,411.8038506 It's hard to relate to. 410 00:35:29,801.8038506 --> 00:35:32,941.8038506 Everybody's empathetic towards it and can, and can understand it. 411 00:35:32,941.8038506 --> 00:35:42,421.8038506 I'm just not sure, you know, uh, yeah, we're just trying to figure out how to afford X, Y, and Z and Kaylee needs to buy new runners next year. 412 00:35:42,881.8028506 --> 00:35:46,955.1371839 So we've got, you know, It's just hard to really relate and connect. 413 00:35:48,845.1371839 --> 00:35:52,208.4705172 Um, and so that's, uh, it's not easy. 414 00:35:52,498.4705172 --> 00:36:17,873.4070172 Um, yeah, so there's, I think, I think, you miss out on absolutely, I think, in terms of talking about, you know, congratulations on the expected child, but that timeline taking a different amount of time, I'm really curious, what is it? Like for you to think about how you want the next 5, 10, 15 years of your life to look like and then you have to apply it back onto a bobsled schedule. 415 00:36:18,123.4060172 --> 00:36:22,413.4065172 And then of course, you know, with kids and whatnot, that doesn't happen magically. 416 00:36:22,413.4065172 --> 00:36:29,798.4685172 And so those schedules, as much as you can plan, it just must change what you have expected your life to Yeah. 417 00:36:29,993.4070172 --> 00:36:31,243.4070172 continue to change. 418 00:36:32,368.4685172 --> 00:36:32,768.4685172 Yeah. 419 00:36:32,788.4685172 --> 00:36:37,668.4685172 It's so, so I think Kaylee's used to this four year cycle type of environment. 420 00:36:37,708.4685172 --> 00:36:38,538.4685172 Now we're married. 421 00:36:38,538.4685172 --> 00:36:38,998.4685172 Okay. 422 00:36:39,778.4685172 --> 00:36:40,488.4685172 You buy a house. 423 00:36:40,488.4685172 --> 00:36:41,278.4675172 You don't have kids. 424 00:36:41,803.4685172 --> 00:36:45,763.4685172 And I, and I think we do the best we can to, to have a plan and a schedule. 425 00:36:45,803.4685172 --> 00:36:50,123.4675172 And then hopefully what actually happens falls somewhere within that line. 426 00:36:50,133.4685172 --> 00:37:02,883.9539018 Because and I've talked about this because if we had gotten married the day we met, we would have been able to get her a green card, no prob I'm sorry, citizenship, no problem when she needed it prior to the Olympics. 427 00:37:03,653.9539018 --> 00:37:14,390.6205685 So that's not, that's not where we were, we wanted to take our time we wanted to do things when we felt, I don't want to say for sure about them because you're you're always learning and moving on. 428 00:37:14,490.5580685 --> 00:37:15,640.5580685 There's always a gamble. 429 00:37:15,960.6195685 --> 00:37:17,390.6205685 Yeah, it's always a gamble. 430 00:37:17,780.6205685 --> 00:37:24,60.6205685 And so we did things at the time that we believe they were right and we

felt confident in. 431 00:37:24,383.9539018 --> 00:37:29,413.9539018 And so what we've learned is, especially over this last year and a half and perfect schedule is. 432 00:37:29,953.9539018 --> 00:37:31,173.9539018 She's going to get off to her. 433 00:37:31,673.9539018 --> 00:37:32,803.9539018 We're going through IVF. 434 00:37:32,883.9539018 --> 00:37:38,503.9539018 She's going to be pregnant in March and we'll have, she'll have the baby in December. 435 00:37:38,993.9539018 --> 00:37:43,223.9539018 Well, you know, month one, two, three, three failed attempts go by. 436 00:37:43,473.9529018 --> 00:37:47,183.9529018 And all of a sudden we're in August going, Oh crap. 437 00:37:48,123.9539018 --> 00:37:55,57.2872352 this was the point where we said, well, we think if IVF doesn't work, you have to go back and compete just because of the way everything works. 438 00:37:56,217.2872352 --> 00:38:05,687.2872352 And so, you know, that's hanging over her head and my head and, and we made the decision then, and it's really her decision. 439 00:38:06,117.2872352 --> 00:38:10,407.2862352 I'm there again to give my opinion and if it, if our opinion lines up, that's great. 440 00:38:10,417.2872352 --> 00:38:13,667.2862352 But her thought of it was, I've won gold medals. 441 00:38:13,917.2872352 --> 00:38:14,917.2872352 I've made history. 442 00:38:15,547.2872352 --> 00:38:21,457.2872352 I want a family and a baby more than I want more sport. 443 00:38:22,357.2872352 --> 00:38:31,437.2872352 Right, and so luckily she's in that position that she's had her success that anything she does from here on out is just like added bonus. 444 00:38:31,717.2862352 --> 00:38:36,557.2872352 You know, she still wants to come back win gold, I'm sure in both events. 445 00:38:36,572.3882352 --> 00:38:48,38.9549018 In 2026, though realizing that, the priorities change and having an idea and a plan and trying to stick to that plan it's not that the plan doesn't work. 446 00:38:48,38.9549018 --> 00:38:49,518.9539018 It just may not work on the timing. 447 00:38:49,518.9549018 --> 00:38:51,105.5590685 We thought it would, Yeah. 448 00:38:51,395.5590685 --> 00:38:51,825.5590685 Yeah. 449 00:38:52,15.5590685 --> 00:38:58,745.5590685 And so I think that's where we've learned to be more flexible over the last four years and not beat ourselves up because say. 450 00:38:59,325.5590685 --> 00:39:06,255.6090685 Well, why didn't we look in the IVF route from the day you met? And you start looking at all these coulda, shoulda, wouldas. 451 00:39:06,255.6090685 --> 00:39:10,355.5580685 And it's not that those don't come up cause they do. 452 00:39:10,355.5590685 --> 00:39:13,805.5580685 And, and in order to do what we've done. 453 00:39:14,300.5590685 --> 00:39:21,193.8924018 In our relationship, I've had to change my lifestyle, career, Growing up, we didn't take a lot of vacations. 454 00:39:21,293.8924018 --> 00:39:26,763.8924018 Parents and family worked five, six, seven, eight, eight days a week, seven days a week. 455 00:39:27,473.8924018 --> 00:39:30,633.8914018 And so you didn't, you didn't just walk away for six months. 456 00:39:30,683.8914018 --> 00:39:31,743.8924018 Like that's just not a thing. 457 00:39:31,743.8924018 --> 00:39:38,553.8924018 And when I first thought about it, I'm like, Oh no, like I'm going to die and go bankrupt. 458 00:39:38,563.8924018 --> 00:39:40,93.8924018 Then I'm going to go live on the streets. 459 00:39:40,93.8924018 --> 00:39:49,373.8924018 And, and so in, in doing some of the things that are very uncomfortable, it has shown us like, Oh no, actually you can do that. 460 00:39:49,423.8924018 --> 00:39:52,853.8924018 And in those times it's allowed us to rely on people in our lives. 461 00:39:53,218.8924018 --> 00:40:02,125.5585685 a little bit more I guess, trust people a little bit more and that when they say, don't worry, we'll, you know, when you come back, we'll continue to work and they do. 462 00:40:02,195.5585685 --> 00:40:24,85.6210685 how did you kind of come to terms with, I don't want to say your career taking the backseat or the second priority, but based on, Kaylee's position in the bobsledding world, it was kind of like, how much do I like Kaylee or how much do I like my job is what it kind of Yeah, Yeah, it was. 463 00:40:24,185.6200685 --> 00:40:25,595.6210685 And I think so. 464 00:40:26,130.6210685 --> 00:40:42,940.6200685 Early on in, in getting to see her, in her environment, it's not often, I think we see somebody who's living in their environment, who's doing what they're meant to be doing and her passion and her drive and everything about it, what she was going for. 465 00:40:44,50.6210685 --> 00:41:13,535.6210685 It kind of came to a point like I, I want to do what I can to keep you in that environment and to add to it and not that I didn't enjoy whatever that I was doing at the time, usually personal training or helping people, though it was as a friend of mine said, he goes like, look, she's an Olympian, you're not, maybe just focus on her life because yours will always be here when you come back and he was absolutely correct in that if I come back five years from now, I can still personal train, I can still Build a business. 466 00:41:13,535.6210685 --> 00:41:14,245.6210685 I can do this. 467 00:41:14,245.6210685 --> 00:41:14,925.6210685 I can do that. 468 00:41:14,925.6210685 --> 00:41:16,965.6210685 Whatever it is that I am doing at that time. 469 00:41:17,595.6210685 --> 00:41:20,75.6210685 With sports, there's, there, there is a shelf life. 470 00:41:20,645.6210685 --> 00:41:25,645.6210685 And so it was easy in a way because we had a common goal. 471 00:41:25,815.6200685 --> 00:41:26,755.6210685 And I saw that. 472 00:41:26,805.6210685 --> 00:41:33,215.6210685 Me helping her work towards that goal was more than I could do on my own. 473 00:41:34,105.6210685 --> 00:41:39,982.2877352 Now, you know, it was really more

the financial piece of how do we financially make this work. 474 00:41:40,472.2867352 --> 00:41:43,692.2877352 cause most people, in the bottom side of the world, you don't make any money. 475 00:41:43,852.2877352 --> 00:41:45,552.2877352 You spend more money than you make. 476 00:41:46,162.2877352 --> 00:41:50,862.2877352 So, you know, so for us to even Be able to do it. 477 00:41:51,562.2877352 --> 00:41:53,612.2877352 We're, we're far lucky and grateful for that. 478 00:41:53,692.2877352 --> 00:42:07,532.2877352 Um, figuring that out and getting to the point where we had to rely on each other to make this kind of goal and dream work, it worked for me because she would give back to me when she could, and I would give what I could, when I could. 479 00:42:08,132.2867352 --> 00:42:13,542.1867352 None of what we did would work if we both weren't on board for it. 480 00:42:14,422.2867352 --> 00:42:22,202.2867352 And so in a way it was easy from the standpoint of like, I don't mind taking a backseat because I can't influence as many people as she can influence. 481 00:42:22,962.2867352 --> 00:42:23,617.2242352 And Yeah. 482 00:42:23,642.2867352 --> 00:42:24,872.2867352 see is important right now. 483 00:42:25,122.8255526 --> 00:42:26,954.4297193 again, the financial piece is the hard part. 484 00:42:26,954.4297193 --> 00:42:27,274.4297193 Yeah. 485 00:42:27,274.4297193 --> 00:42:34,644.4297193 So you've mentioned that a couple times and I think like, you know, my naivete growing up, you're like, you got a gold medal. 486 00:42:34,654.4297193 --> 00:42:36,64.4297193 You're probably set. 487 00:42:36,774.4297193 --> 00:42:36,964.4292193 Yeah. 488 00:42:36,964.4292193 --> 00:42:37,844.4287193 Cause like, Yeah. 489 00:42:38,39.3662192 --> 00:42:39,819.3652192 could you not be? You're on the world stage. 490 00:42:39,819.3652192 --> 00:42:40,849.3657192 You've beat everyone. 491 00:42:40,849.3657192 --> 00:42:42,399.3662192 Like, impressive. 492 00:42:43,19.3652192 --> 00:42:43,559.3652192 Yes. 493 00:42:43,819.3652192 --> 00:42:58,244.4277193 So if the cost of bobsledding just for maintaining yourself and your equipment is so much higher than whatever kind of stipends you get from, um, the sport itself, how do people make it work? honestly, nobody actually knows. 494 00:42:58,584.4267193 --> 00:43:03,34.4277193 Like it's, it's such a, it's such a strange thing because you just kind of scrape money together. 495 00:43:03,34.4277193 --> 00:43:04,524.4277193 You rely on family and friends. 496 00:43:04,524.4277193 --> 00:43:04,994.4277193 You work. 497 00:43:05,24.4277193 --> 00:43:07,394.4277193 A lot of people work for six months, take six months off. 498 00:43:08,874.4277193 --> 00:43:11,764.4277193 You do have to go out there and promote yourself. 499 00:43:11,874.4277193 --> 00:43:13,684.4277193 You've got to go out there and try to get sponsors. 500 00:43:14,379.4277193 --> 00:43:16,99.4777193 20, 30 years ago, it was different. 501 00:43:16,389.4777193 --> 00:43:27,239.4777193 Even I would say 15 years ago, it was different because a lot of the big sports, uh, I'm going to say sponsors, um, Olympics was kind of the big deal, you still had your professional sports here and there. 502 00:43:27,239.4777193 --> 00:43:28,959.4777193 And college sports was here and there. 503 00:43:29,339.4777193 --> 00:43:45,789.4767193 You know, now you have college sports, NIL deals, high school, um, you have social media, you have influencers to where you never had a random person down the street to have 500, 000 followers because they roll bottles full of soda down the stairs. 504 00:43:46,649.4777193 --> 00:43:53,379.4777193 Yeah, now, now, somebody who would originally have sponsored Kaylee, goes after that person for their followers. 505 00:43:54,179.4152192 --> 00:44:02,579.4152192 So the whole, the whole environment has changed some, though it doesn't change in the fact that, you know, a lot of people will work a job, like I said, when they're home. 506 00:44:02,949.4152192 --> 00:44:12,729.4152192 Then they go on tour, you try to find a job that you can do from afar, and that's primarily what I've done, is work when I can work, and then try to figure out what can I do when I'm gone. 507 00:44:13,259.4152192 --> 00:44:19,79.4152192 Um, try to access her agent, so to speak, try to try to attempt to get her sponsors and speaking engagements. 508 00:44:19,79.4152192 --> 00:44:24,322.7485526 And, so it, the, the role has kind of shifted a little bit especially when she made the switch to the us. 509 00:44:24,322.7485526 --> 00:44:25,792.7485526 She's basically starting over. 510 00:44:26,142.7485526 --> 00:44:29,872.7485526 'cause like you said, you'd think when you win a gold medal, all problems are solved. 511 00:44:29,872.7485526 --> 00:44:35,782.7485526 Then I, if you're the right person in the right place, in the right sport, yeah, you can get tons of money. 512 00:44:36,262.7485526 --> 00:44:42,922.6850526 That's not typically Bobsled and the way that it works is usually you'll make money leading up to the Olympics Okay. 513 00:44:42,962.7485526 --> 00:44:59,582.7475526 but once you make that even if you win gold all the sponsorship falls off because they're focused on the next thing whether it's the next NBA championship, NFL, whatever it is So really even if you know a lot of people they'll make a lot of money coming up They won't even win a medal, but you know, that's where you made your money. 514 00:44:59,582.7475526 --> 00:45:12,822.7475526 So how do they make it work? They they promote themselves You hope that you do well enough that you do get a good stipend that you do get a sponsorship You win a little bit of prize money And you can just make it from year to year. 515 00:45:13,132.7475526 --> 00:45:21,652.7475526 You know, there, there was a study a while back that it was something like, between 50 and 80 percent of Olympic athletes live below

the poverty level. 516 00:45:21,912.6850526 --> 00:45:22,412.6850526 Wow. 517 00:45:22,762.7475526 --> 00:45:30,732.7475526 and so it's, you know, in all sports are different, you know, if you're running versus bobsled, bobsled for Kaylee cost her a hundred thousand dollars at minimum a year. 518 00:45:31,17.7475526 --> 00:45:32,17.7475526 To run her season. 519 00:45:32,407.7475526 --> 00:45:38,137.7475526 And that's just, you know, for, uh, coaching equipment, maintenance, travel, et cetera, et cetera. 520 00:45:38,137.7475526 --> 00:45:42,887.7465526 So that is, is one of the challenging parts across Olympic sports in general. 521 00:45:42,887.7465526 --> 00:45:52,101.0808859 And so we're lucky, it's just, just, we are, I know a lot of people can't do that, that the spouse of the Olympian stays home and works a full time job, takes care of the kids. 522 00:45:52,501.0808859 --> 00:45:59,831.0808859 In order to make that dream work, and so we've, we've tried to blend it a little bit to where I can come on tour. 523 00:46:00,361.0798859 --> 00:46:02,507.7475526 We can make some money And being together. 524 00:46:02,692.8110526 --> 00:46:03,112.8110526 right. 525 00:46:03,112.8110526 --> 00:46:05,152.8100526 And so then you go, okay, let's get on social media. 526 00:46:05,152.8110526 --> 00:46:08,192.8100526 And it's just, it's complicated. 527 00:46:08,332.8100526 --> 00:46:10,609.9967669 There's just, there's no two ways about it. 528 00:46:10,609.9967669 --> 00:46:18,828.539624 And, if I get too wrapped up into her career, which I can do, then you, you do start to lose a little bit of focus on, of yourself. 529 00:46:19,528.539624 --> 00:46:29,648.538624 Um, and it's not, it's not bad to give yourself up and, and to, to do something for a different cause. 530 00:46:30,288.539624 --> 00:46:31,658.539624 though that's something we've learned. 531 00:46:31,818.539624 --> 00:46:34,18.539624 If I get too involved, I'm too involved. 532 00:46:34,613.540624 --> 00:46:42,293.540624 And then I'm missing out on all the other things that could actually, uh, if I could do A, B, C, and D, then maybe that would fund our entire year. 533 00:46:43,83.540624 --> 00:46:49,635.0552394 So, it's kind of walking a tightrope, you know, of, you want to be involved, but not too involved. 534 00:46:50,615.0552394 --> 00:46:55,660.0552394 And if I go and I get A job somewhere and I'm salaried somewhere. 535 00:46:55,980.0552394 --> 00:46:59,530.0552394 Well, then I can't just up and take off a month because right now I can, I'm self employed. 536 00:46:59,530.0552394 --> 00:47:01,80.0552394 I work for myself, et cetera, et cetera. 537 00:47:01,880.0552394 --> 00:47:06,500.0552394 I can take, I can go I'm off, you know, for two months, three months. 538 00:47:06,500.0552394 --> 00:47:07,270.0542394 We'll see you later. 539 00:47:07,760.0542394 --> 00:47:09,130.0552394 Vacation approved. 540 00:47:09,200.0542394 --> 00:47:10,119.9552394 Who's paying for it. 541 00:47:10,480.0552394 --> 00:47:12,790.0552394 Uh, now we got to work on. 542 00:47:12,810.0552394 --> 00:47:19,880.0552394 So yeah, it's, I think it's been a unique experience, you know, even for being on the husband's side of things. 543 00:47:19,910.0552394 --> 00:47:26,620.0552394 In that, when I get to go on tour, I'm primarily working, I'm there for Kaylee, 100%. 544 00:47:26,630.0562394 --> 00:47:34,120.0562394 And then if I have, if I can also help out other people, usually it's the other women on the team and cause the men typically take care of themselves. 545 00:47:34,120.0562394 --> 00:47:34,930.0562394 They have more people. 546 00:47:35,755.0562394 --> 00:47:49,805.5289685 It's, it's, it's an interesting, dynamics of, of how the whole thing's whole thing works and you know, being gone for three or four months and then coming back and trying to restart everything again, that's really difficult, from a business perspective. 547 00:47:50,65.5289685 --> 00:47:51,535.5299685 It's easy to say it's worth it. 548 00:47:51,535.5299685 --> 00:47:57,845.5289685 I think for us, because she won gold again in 2022, you know, when she came over to the U S she's won. 549 00:47:58,375.5299685 --> 00:48:03,985.5299685 Three world championships and a gold medal within a three year span, which I'm not sure it's ever happened. 550 00:48:03,985.5299685 --> 00:48:08,45.5299685 She became the first woman to ever win a gold medal for two separate countries. 551 00:48:08,282.1341352 --> 00:48:09,22.1341352 Unbelievable. 552 00:48:09,862.1956352 --> 00:48:14,192.1966352 I would love to say we would feel the exact same way if that hadn't happened. 553 00:48:15,132.1966352 --> 00:48:16,202.1961352 So I can't say that. 554 00:48:16,202.1961352 --> 00:48:25,402.1966352 And so, so I know there's a lot of people who are spouses of, of not even Olympians, just Olympic sport athletes, Yeah. 555 00:48:25,522.2591352 --> 00:48:26,732.2591352 don't make it to that point. 556 00:48:26,732.2591352 --> 00:48:28,222.2591352 And it never really does pay off. 557 00:48:28,962.2591352 --> 00:48:36,732.2591352 And so I know we're really fortunate and, and I just can't say if that hadn't happened, it would, we could for sure say it would have been worth it though. 558 00:48:36,802.2591352 --> 00:48:43,522.2591352 I believe from a relationship standpoint and an opportunity for us to work together, rely on each other. 559 00:48:44,422.2581352 --> 00:48:51,482.2591352 I wouldn't trade that part of it for anything, you know, that's been worth all the time spent, the money lost, the money gained, all that sort of stuff. 560 00:48:51,972.2591352 --> 00:48:53,502.2591352 Cause you know, look back and think. 561 00:48:53,932.2591352 --> 00:49:06,532.2591352 Why did our relationship work and why did the long distance stuff work? And it really was because I know I'm not going to get, so to speak the exact same thing that I'm getting, though. 562

00:49:06,532.2591352 --> 00:49:12,742.2591352 I understand that she's giving a hundred percent when she can, we're both buying into the same goal. 563 00:49:13,367.2591352 --> 00:49:16,967.2591352 And in order for it to work I have to do my job. 564 00:49:16,997.2591352 --> 00:49:41,218.8633019 She has to do hers and we have an expectation that other person will do their job so there's trust and it's led us to a point we wouldn't have gotten to in any other capacity, I don't think there's other ways you could do it You know, whether she started business together, whatever the scenario is but it's allowed us to from a relationship standpoint get farther than we ever would have even without winning you know medals or Yeah. 565 00:49:41,373.9258019 --> 00:49:42,153.9258019 having success. 566 00:49:43,48.8633019 --> 00:49:44,568.8633019 Yeah, that's, I like that. 567 00:49:44,568.8633019 --> 00:50:02,83.9258019 I like that, um, I like that the challenges are really kind of what has ripped open the relationship a little bit of like, this is gonna make, make sure that this relationship works because you have to strip it down so much and be very direct and figure it You gotta be very direct. 568 00:50:02,203.9258019 --> 00:50:03,653.9258019 it's not always pretty. 569 00:50:03,723.9258019 --> 00:50:06,863.9248019 And there's been, there has been times that haven't been good for sure. 570 00:50:06,873.9258019 --> 00:50:08,773.9258019 You know, a lot of times it hasn't been good. 571 00:50:08,773.9258019 --> 00:50:17,793.9248019 And, and I understand how people get in this situation and they do feel resentment because they feel like I've given up everything and you get all the attention. 572 00:50:17,793.9248019 --> 00:50:32,821.5821307 And so that's, what's funny about like, what I think is cool about your podcast is You're talking to the people, who are there behind the scenes that we don't want the like, I can't speak for everybody. 573 00:50:33,11.5821307 --> 00:50:40,521.5811307 I'm not big on needing the limelight or, or, or, you know, I don't feel a resentment to say I didn't get mine, I understand how you would get there. 574 00:50:41,14.915464 --> 00:50:46,534.915464 I think it's, what's fun for me is to talk about the journey and the story. 575 00:50:47,334.915464 --> 00:50:50,854.915464 I do some work for a, luxury health and wellness resort. 576 00:50:50,894.915464 --> 00:50:54,694.915464 And so a lot of times we'll take people on hikes, like two hour hikes. 577 00:50:55,724.914464 --> 00:51:03,714.914464 What are you going to talk about? And so what's been really fun for me is I get to tell her story, our story to them. 578 00:51:04,314.914464 --> 00:51:14,901.5811307 And I think that's what makes it more fun cause from my standpoint or from a spouse standpoint, what's the payoff really, know, if there's a financial payoff and she's making. 579 00:51:15,561.5821307 --> 00:51:16,771.5821307 millions of dollars. 580 00:51:17,31.5821307 --> 00:51:20,11.5821307 Hey, oh, you know, I'm a house husband. 581 00:51:20,21.5821307 --> 00:51:22,161.5821307 I'll take the dog on the wall and get my starbucks. 582 00:51:22,161.5821307 --> 00:51:23,61.5821307 You know, it's cool. 583 00:51:23,251.5821307 --> 00:51:24,21.5811307 Go work out. 584 00:51:24,861.5821307 --> 00:51:28,641.5821307 If there's not that okay, then nobody's congratulating me. 585 00:51:28,671.5811307 --> 00:51:35,651.5821307 So why, why, why are you doing this? And I think what has helped us is there, there is that commonality, common goal. 586 00:51:36,816.5821307 --> 00:51:40,86.5821307 Cause there's not a, there's not a direct payoff per se. 587 00:51:40,326.5821307 --> 00:51:46,356.5821307 What is the direct payoff is seeing her happy and being able to do what she loves to do. 588 00:51:47,16.5821307 --> 00:51:55,696.5821307 SO I think it's, some of it is not, not expecting it to be something it's not, you know, it's, it's, you're not going to be the center of attention. 589 00:51:55,766.5821307 --> 00:52:00,316.5811307 And so if that's not okay with you, then it's going to be tough. 590 00:52:01,321.5186307 --> 00:52:01,791.5186307 Yeah. 591 00:52:02,826.5196307 --> 00:52:05,866.5196307 you've mentioned Kaylee switching from Canada to the U. 592 00:52:05,866.5196307 --> 00:52:06,116.5196307 S. 593 00:52:06,156.5196307 --> 00:52:08,726.5196307 And if people look it up, they can totally see what happened. 594 00:52:09,56.5196307 --> 00:52:21,766.5196307 But what I think is really interesting about that is, you know, that seems from all perspectives like a very challenging time for Kaylee, paired with a very positive time for your relationship. 595 00:52:22,336.5196307 --> 00:52:24,441.5821307 And so, Yeah, okay. 596 00:52:24,526.5196307 --> 00:52:28,928.1862973 right? She's like, it's an interesting outlook, Yeah, Yeah, it's a she's becoming a U. 597 00:52:28,928.1862973 --> 00:52:29,48.1862973 S. 598 00:52:29,48.1862973 --> 00:52:29,568.1862973 citizen. 599 00:52:29,568.1862973 --> 00:52:32,38.1862973 She's trying to switch and race for the U. 600 00:52:32,38.1862973 --> 00:52:32,308.1862973 S. 601 00:52:32,308.1862973 --> 00:52:36,38.1862973 which brings a lot of that training, at least locally, nationally. 602 00:52:36,308.1862973 --> 00:52:57,943.2487974 How? How did that kind of play out for you of trying to support Kaylee and probably what I would imagine is a very low low while also having a bunch of highs going on at the same time? Yeah, it was, I think that's when I learned, I don't know what the saying is, you don't know how Don't know how well you can swim until your head's under water type of a thing. 603 00:52:58,463.2487974 --> 00:53:02,43.2487974 And that's when I learned how truly tough Kaylee was. 604 00:53:03,393.2487974 --> 00:53:08,123.2487974 Because if it was me in her position, I'd have given up like 170 different times. 605 00:53:08,778.1862973 -->

00:53:10,823.2477974 Yeah, I'd have been like, you know what? I'm out. 606 00:53:11,143.2487974 --> 00:53:11,963.2487974 Screw this. 607 00:53:11,983.2487974 --> 00:53:13,213.2487974 I'll go live a normal life. 608 00:53:13,783.2477974 --> 00:53:18,113.2477974 So yes, it was, it was right after the 18 Olympics, which I did get to go to. 609 00:53:18,113.2487974 --> 00:53:19,653.2477974 I got to see her win a medal. 610 00:53:19,673.2477974 --> 00:53:20,783.2487974 Sure, it wasn't gold. 611 00:53:20,793.2487974 --> 00:53:22,43.2487974 She, she got bronze. 612 00:53:22,53.2487974 --> 00:53:23,373.2487974 She came from fifth to third. 613 00:53:23,593.2487974 --> 00:53:24,243.2487974 It's all cool. 614 00:53:25,23.2487974 --> 00:53:28,893.2487974 Um, what led up to that year was really not good. 615 00:53:28,953.2487974 --> 00:53:35,799.915464 Um, and this is part of that being that supportive person of, we knew what was happening and the way she was being treated wasn't good. 616 00:53:36,756.5821307 --> 00:53:47,171.5821307 so what do you do? You know? Then it came to that, well, she knew what she should do, which is report, you know, tell everybody was going on, and she goes, you know, I'm not gonna stand up for this. 617 00:53:47,726.5821307 --> 00:54:10,556.5821307 I'm not going to be treated this way and I remember that a lot of the conversations revolved around Us being or her being very cognizant of this very well could end my career if I do this but we talked a lot about like at the end of the day She's a type of person that she needs to look herself in the mirror and know I did what I was supposed to do when I was supposed to do it. 618 00:54:10,856.5821307 --> 00:54:14,146.5821307 And I stood up for myself and everybody else that needed it. 619 00:54:14,966.5821307 --> 00:54:26,736.5821307 And so she decided to come forward and make the claim, that, that, uh, ensued an investigation and her getting kicked off the team and dropped funding and just downhill big time. 620 00:54:26,836.5821307 --> 00:54:28,566.5821307 And that was a very sad time. 621 00:54:29,46.5821307 --> 00:54:36,126.5821307 When she has bad times and good times, you're, you're, you're always removed from them to an excerpt extent. 622 00:54:36,136.5821307 --> 00:54:43,46.5821307 So you can't, you don't really know what the good times feel like, and you don't really know what the bad times, although you can, you, you have an idea. 623 00:54:43,416.5821307 --> 00:54:47,816.4821307 And so you're, you're trying to figure out, well, what do we do and how do we do it? How do I support you? And. 624 00:54:48,276.5821307 --> 00:54:59,826.5811307 And to her credit, you know, she marched through the entire time, never gave up, you know, which was just wild to watch, you know, literally, sit next to her and watch that happen. 625 00:54:59,826.5821307 --> 00:55:03,766.5821307 And there was things going on within the organization where she was not being treated well. 626 00:55:03,766.5821307 --> 00:55:06,836.5821307 So I was used to that and this just took it to a whole new level. 627 00:55:07,291.5821307 --> 00:55:13,318.2487974 Though like you said, this presented an opportunity for us to, really kind of work together. 628 00:55:13,468.2487974 --> 00:55:17,318.2487974 Because me coming into her, she had, she had everything set. 629 00:55:17,618.2487974 --> 00:55:19,638.2487974 She was a two time gold medalist in Canada. 630 00:55:19,638.2487974 --> 00:55:21,548.2497974 She had this, she had that, she had everything. 631 00:55:22,478.2487974 --> 00:55:23,774.916464 So, that went on. 632 00:55:23,804.916464 --> 00:55:28,204.916464 Um, eventually we learned that the organization was not going to support her. 633 00:55:28,204.916464 --> 00:55:31,879.916464 They were going to support the The people that she had issues with. 634 00:55:32,309.916464 --> 00:55:35,859.916464 And at that point we knew they were going to try to end her career and that's what they tried to do. 635 00:55:35,859.916464 --> 00:55:37,159.916464 And she said, I'm not going to stand up for it. 636 00:55:37,239.916464 --> 00:55:38,519.916464 I'm going to come to team USA. 637 00:55:39,349.916464 --> 00:55:49,649.916464 And because she had moved down, she was a, resident at that point because she had a visa, which allowed her to try out for team USA team USA. 638 00:55:49,649.916464 --> 00:55:51,486.5841307 Of course was super happy about it. 639 00:55:51,896.5841307 --> 00:55:52,326.5841307 You're right. 640 00:55:52,366.5841307 --> 00:55:54,866.5841307 Like, hey, you, you need another person. 641 00:55:54,866.5841307 --> 00:55:56,206.5841307 And they said, absolutely. 642 00:55:56,206.5841307 --> 00:55:59,206.5841307 And it was nice that they, they willingly took her on. 643 00:55:59,216.5841307 --> 00:56:02,776.5836307 They, they took, you know, everything that she came with, what was going on in Canada. 644 00:56:02,776.5836307 --> 00:56:04,566.5841307 And they said, we're here to support you. 645 00:56:04,896.5831307 --> 00:56:08,86.5831307 We believe you, you know, and so that was really good. 646 00:56:09,476.5831307 --> 00:56:14,626.5851307 Though it forced her to restart, which you know, that kind of sucks. 647 00:56:14,936.5851307 --> 00:56:16,726.5851307 No sponsors, no this, no that. 648 00:56:17,436.5851307 --> 00:56:26,516.5851307 Though it allowed us to kind of build something together because again in order for her to come here The time that she so we got married. 649 00:56:26,906.5851307 --> 00:56:41,416.5851307 In 2019 So like 18 19, so she sat out for a year while all the court stuff and baloney was going on We pretty much figured out two days before our wedding what they were going to do They weren't going to release her. 650 00:56:41,416.5851307 --> 00:56:42,836.5851307 They all this sort of stuff. 651 00:56:43,516.5851307 --> 00:56:50,31.5851307 We got married why I should say it about four

days before We knew what was going to happen. 652 00:56:50,51.5851307 --> 00:56:55,591.5851307 She made contact with Team USA about two days before they said, yes, come, come with us. 653 00:56:56,221.5851307 --> 00:57:02,451.5851307 there was a whole bunch of, you know, Canada had to be forced to release her, all this other stuff, but that'll happen somehow. 654 00:57:02,971.5851307 --> 00:57:08,721.5851307 and then two days after our wedding, which we were planning on going on a honeymoon, she had to then fly up and go for team tryouts. 655 00:57:09,226.5216307 --> 00:57:09,856.5226307 Oh, wow. 656 00:57:10,221.5851307 --> 00:57:10,711.5851307 Yeah. 657 00:57:10,791.5851307 --> 00:57:12,531.5851307 And so, we got married. 658 00:57:12,531.5851307 --> 00:57:13,601.5846307 So then you should get a green card. 659 00:57:13,601.5846307 --> 00:57:14,361.5851307 Cause then it was, well. 660 00:57:15,36.5851307 --> 00:57:19,856.5851307 sHe was told by a lot of people, don't make this move because you will not get citizenship by the time the Olympics come up. 661 00:57:20,796.5226307 --> 00:57:21,136.5226307 Yeah. 662 00:57:21,616.5851307 --> 00:57:26,786.5851307 if that didn't happen, she was not going to stand by and allow somebody to ruin her career. 663 00:57:27,806.5851307 --> 00:57:31,76.5841307 So she said, I'm going to continue my career even if I don't get to the next Olympics. 664 00:57:31,616.5841307 --> 00:57:35,16.5851307 And so from, you know, kind of going back to that relationship standpoint. 665 00:57:35,776.5851307 --> 00:57:48,806.5851307 It allowed me to, I guess, feel or be more involved in her actual career and kind of build something together as opposed to me always being kind of on the sidelines and I'm here for support, but I can't really offer a whole lot. 666 00:57:49,356.5851307 --> 00:57:54,396.5841307 You know, this really turned it on its head of, okay, now you're in the U S system, you're living down here. 667 00:57:54,406.5851307 --> 00:57:58,266.5851307 Now we have to get a green card and these are things we were going to do anyways. 668 00:57:58,726.5851307 --> 00:58:02,876.5851307 And it's why we never got in a hurry to do them because there was, there was no plan for her to. 669 00:58:03,166.5226307 --> 00:58:03,726.5226307 Switch. 670 00:58:03,736.5226307 --> 00:58:04,56.5226307 Yeah. 671 00:58:04,411.5851307 --> 00:58:13,574.917464 So, she came over, you know, she, like you said, there was highs and lows and there was, there was always during this entire time, there was lawsuits going on. 672 00:58:13,574.917464 --> 00:58:16,674.918464 There's investigations going on all this, you know, she's being. 673 00:58:17,94.918464 --> 00:58:27,731.5851307 Bad mouth in the media and then four years later the media turns around like, Oh, she was right, blah blah blah, you know, So, then when she went on tour she had to deal with all this stuff and, I mean she just, she just did amazing. 674 00:58:27,731.5851307 --> 00:58:38,481.5851307 She went out, you know, came over to the new team, won her first three, you know, there was three world championships with Team USA available to her and she won all three of them. 675 00:58:39,331.5851307 --> 00:58:40,591.5851307 And I have no idea how. 676 00:58:41,371.5851307 --> 00:58:46,21.5851307 Like she's just so strong willed and minded and has such a strong constitution. 677 00:58:46,31.5851307 --> 00:58:46,281.5851307 No. 678 00:58:46,528.2517974 --> 00:58:54,186.5851307 from my standpoint and to brag on myself, I believe that we did a good job of, like, look, you gotta go, you gotta go give it a shot. 679 00:58:54,296.5851307 --> 00:59:01,286.5861307 It was kind of going back to, like, same thing with, with, like, my career of, like, I don't mind giving it up because I can always come back. 680 00:59:01,306.5861307 --> 00:59:02,676.5851307 We have to give this a shot. 681 00:59:03,416.5851307 --> 00:59:08,586.5861307 And so when it was, you know, trying to, because, again, her, her funding got cut, her insurance got cut. 682 00:59:08,606.5861307 --> 00:59:10,186.5861307 She, she lost everything. 683 00:59:10,886.5861307 --> 00:59:21,889.855964 So that, that big, like, how are we going to do this? How could we not do it? How can we stand by and let somebody else take control? Yeah. 684 00:59:22,579.919464 --> 00:59:28,493.1365911 And so, yeah, it's just, there, there, there was a lot of really crappy days. 685 00:59:29,343.1375911 --> 00:59:34,563.1365911 of Why, why, why do this? You know, there's, there's no giant payday. 686 00:59:35,13.1365911 --> 00:59:38,213.1365911 There's, you're not, you're not gonna get paid five million dollars at the end of this. 687 00:59:38,803.1375911 --> 00:59:44,553.1375911 And so I, there, there were days where we talked about like, look, if, if you want to just pack it up and be done, like, I get it. 688 00:59:44,603.1375911 --> 00:59:47,543.1375911 I, I know nobody's going to blame you. 689 00:59:48,283.1375911 --> 00:59:55,793.1375911 And, and I think, or I hope in her knowing that whether you do it or you don't do it, it doesn't change who you are. 690 00:59:56,643.1365911 --> 00:59:59,93.1375911 If you go out and you win, I still love you. 691 00:59:59,123.1375911 --> 01:00:00,203.1375911 You're still my wife. 692 01:00:00,243.1375911 --> 01:00:03,683.1375911 You know, going to be married to you regardless of what happens. 693 01:00:04,618.075091 --> 01:00:10,813.1375911 yeah, in getting too sucked into that, sometimes it can happen to where all we talk about is bobsled, bobsled, bobsled, bobsled. 694 01:00:11,553.1375911 --> 01:00:12,743.1375911 And you go, holy crap. 695 01:00:12,753.1375911 --> 01:00:13,83.1370911 All right. 696 01:00:13,83.1370911 --> 01:00:15,223.1375911 For the next day, no bobsled. 697 01:00:15,968.075091 --> 01:00:16,738.075091 No bobsledding. 698 01:00:17,103.1375911 --> 01:00:19,213.1355911 Because it

is a it's not everything. 699 01:00:20,103.1365911 --> 01:00:25,723.1365911 It was another one of those times that, through the COVID years as well, we ran into this several times. 700 01:00:25,723.1365911 --> 01:00:35,263.1375911 It was, is there going to be a season? Is there not? Or is it going to get canceled? Is it not? The one thing we did know was if we didn't give it everything we had right now, we would regret it forever. 701 01:00:36,73.1365911 --> 01:00:46,573.1375911 And if that meant losing everything and going bankrupt and having to move in with like my parents or her parents, or you know, live, you know, doing, doing what would seem like extremes. 702 01:00:47,185.1037449 --> 01:00:51,528.4360782 It was worth it, because we just, neither one of us are, we don't want to live with regret. 703 01:00:51,678.4370782 --> 01:00:54,193.3745782 We don't want to live stupidly and, and Yeah. 704 01:00:54,418.4370782 --> 01:00:55,758.4370782 every single caution to the wind. 705 01:00:56,148.4360782 --> 01:01:12,745.1027449 Though, I could never, I would always look back and go, Why did I tell her to quit, you know, or why did, why did we quit when, you know, like in the COVID year, it was like, well, you know, do I train hard? Do I not? And we relied on the same thing. 706 01:01:13,135.1037449 --> 01:01:20,722.9148073 If you get there and there is world championships are going to be so pissed that you didn't work out. 707 01:01:21,565.691631 --> 01:01:25,893.7743004 And, and so, that's, you know, even within how she got citizenship. 708 01:01:25,958.7743004 --> 01:01:34,622.0451337 it's like the world testing you like is this what you want? Is this really what you want? Because we're gonna make you jump through these seven hoops Yep. 709 01:01:34,622.1076337 --> 01:01:41,82.1076337 Then go over a waterfall and then we'll get you because she got turned down for citizenship and well She didn't get turned down. 710 01:01:41,82.1076337 --> 01:01:43,337.1076337 But basically it was we can't give you this today. 711 01:01:43,627.1076337 --> 01:01:48,737.1076337 And she had to fly to China the next day for their pre Olympic trials. 712 01:01:49,117.1076337 --> 01:01:53,937.1076337 And so she had to go over there being just told there's virtually no way you're going to get it in time. 713 01:01:54,867.1076337 --> 01:01:58,537.1076337 And so I spent a whole month of October figuring all this stuff out. 714 01:01:59,27.1076337 --> 01:01:59,247.1076337 Okay. 715 01:01:59,267.1076337 --> 01:02:06,243.7743004 What, what are we missing? What do we need, to put this, uh, application in, and we're over in Austria. 716 01:02:06,303.7743004 --> 01:02:07,393.7743004 She gets a phone call. 717 01:02:07,903.7743004 --> 01:02:12,13.7743004 You can come in next Wednesday to take your citizenship test. 718 01:02:12,528.7118003 --> 01:02:13,278.7118003 Oh my gosh. 719 01:02:13,803.7743004 --> 01:02:14,293.7738004 moly. 720 01:02:14,293.7738004 --> 01:02:18,963.7733004 Like, we were told that we could request a time to do it based off travel. 721 01:02:19,523.7733004 --> 01:02:23,520.440967 And we had requested, we were going to be home for about like a week or two. 722 01:02:23,520.440967 --> 01:02:24,710.4409671 I can't remember how long it was. 723 01:02:25,10.4409671 --> 01:02:27,160.440967 We said if we could have it then that'd work out perfect. 724 01:02:27,850.440967 --> 01:02:29,650.440967 SO, okay. 725 01:02:29,650.440967 --> 01:02:32,300.440967 How does this work? Because we're in Austria. 726 01:02:33,300.440967 --> 01:02:38,860.440967 She has to compete next week and compete during this week in order to qualify for the Olympics. 727 01:02:39,915.440967 --> 01:02:48,915.440967 So, we said, well, can we push it back? And they said, you can, but we cannot guarantee you'll get a time, Oh my right? So we, well, you have to do it. 728 01:02:48,915.440967 --> 01:02:50,845.440967 So we're in Austria. 729 01:02:50,845.440967 --> 01:02:58,555.440967 So competition in Saturday, uh, Sunday afternoon, we have to drive from there to Altenburg, Germany, which is, uh, call it a six hour drive. 730 01:02:58,555.440967 --> 01:02:59,335.439967 I don't really remember. 731 01:02:59,820.377467 --> 01:03:00,450.377467 Yeah. 732 01:03:01,125.440967 --> 01:03:04,525.440967 We go out to get in the sled truck, got a flat tire. 733 01:03:04,663.7108003 --> 01:03:05,318.7743004 Oh my Right. 734 01:03:05,728.7743004 --> 01:03:07,288.7743004 And then of course the, the lug. 735 01:03:07,370.4409671 --> 01:03:09,400.4409671 Nut wrench isn't the right size to change it. 736 01:03:09,940.4409671 --> 01:03:16,757.0451337 So then we have to wait several more hours to get a tow truck on Sunday in Eagles, Austria, which nobody's open on Sundays Of course. 737 01:03:16,777.0451337 --> 01:03:17,367.0451337 Yeah. 738 01:03:17,977.1076337 --> 01:03:23,477.1076337 So finally we get that on, we'll get the tire on we're driving that tires flat too. 739 01:03:24,407.1066337 --> 01:03:36,417.0451337 So we get halfway to Nuremberg, Germany, have to stop, stay the night, fill it up the next day, drive the next three hours to, Germany and fill it up with air every so often and just pray it doesn't blow up my gosh. 740 01:03:36,587.1066337 --> 01:03:39,457.1056337 And so, so this is where all this relationship stuff comes up. 741 01:03:39,973.7723004 --> 01:03:43,493.7723004 And, and it's that if I give up, she may give up. 742 01:03:43,543.7713004 --> 01:03:45,63.7723004 And if she gives up, I may give up. 743 01:03:45,493.7723004 --> 01:03:49,13.7723004 And so it's that constant, like, okay, as long as you're good, I'm good. 744 01:03:49,103.7723004 --> 01:03:50,953.7723004 Or when you're not good, I'm good. 745 01:03:50,953.7723004 --> 01:03:54,553.7713004 And so what, what we really learned through this was. 746 01:03:55,368.7723004 --> 01:04:03,658.7723004 If you're having a bad time, that's

when I have to really buckle down and like be supportive because otherwise we are, we are going downhill. 747 01:04:03,718.7723004 --> 01:04:05,198.7723004 So, so finally we get there. 748 01:04:05,998.7723004 --> 01:04:11,628.7723004 I drive her to the airport, uh, I think to Munich, she flies Tuesday afternoon back to San Diego. 749 01:04:11,648.7723004 --> 01:04:16,248.7723004 Luckily her mom, I think, and her dad were, were staying at our place, so they were able to pick her up. 750 01:04:16,248.7723004 --> 01:04:18,708.7723004 Okay Because of the time she ended up here, Wednesday. 751 01:04:18,918.7723004 --> 01:04:22,788.7703004 She woke up Thursday morning, went into the, citizenship stuff. 752 01:04:23,128.7713004 --> 01:04:34,398.7713004 So in the meantime, my job was to stay in Altenburg, get all of her stuff ready, because typically it takes Eight to 10 hours of work to get things ready for the race. 753 01:04:34,888.7713004 --> 01:04:39,538.7713004 Now, Kaylee is a person who, she's very particular when it comes to race. 754 01:04:39,588.7713004 --> 01:04:43,38.7713004 I don't want to go back and think, well, we didn't do this quite right. 755 01:04:43,48.7703004 --> 01:04:44,328.7713004 I want to make sure everything's ticked. 756 01:04:44,338.7713004 --> 01:04:45,948.7713004 So that way, when we go to the line. 757 01:04:46,348.7713004 --> 01:04:48,578.7713004 All I have to do is drive, push and drive. 758 01:04:48,948.7713004 --> 01:04:52,898.7713004 We've done our job, make a complicated thing as simple as possible. 759 01:04:53,258.7713004 --> 01:04:59,218.7713004 So I'm there by myself with the help of her teammates to get her stuff ready. 760 01:04:59,768.7713004 --> 01:05:01,918.2769693 And she has very high standards. 761 01:05:02,108.7713004 --> 01:05:03,728.7713004 And she's been doing this for 20 years. 762 01:05:03,918.7713004 --> 01:05:04,658.7713004 And so it's me. 763 01:05:04,808.7713004 --> 01:05:06,458.7713004 And I believe there was three of us. 764 01:05:06,458.7713004 --> 01:05:15,838.7713004 There was two or three other girls were saying in these runners, which is typically like this laborious, awful process, and you can't have any little Nick in there and she knows just what to do. 765 01:05:15,948.7703004 --> 01:05:18,218.7713004 She knows how to get the little scuffs that we're doing them. 766 01:05:18,638.7713004 --> 01:05:25,288.7713004 And so then we'd get to a certain grit as you go higher, then there'll be a mark there and we're going, Oh my gosh, like we're just doing over and over. 767 01:05:25,708.7713004 --> 01:05:30,488.7713004 This whole time going, I hope she makes her flights, you know, I hope this happens. 768 01:05:30,528.7713004 --> 01:05:33,281.9681236 Are we doing this right? So we that's what we did. 769 01:05:34,51.9671236 --> 01:05:36,1.9681236 So that way so she comes back. 770 01:05:36,51.9671236 --> 01:05:40,231.9681236 She goes in for citizenship I'm sitting there in Altenburg just just like waiting just waiting to get a text. 771 01:05:40,781.9681236 --> 01:05:43,91.9671236 You know, like three or four hours go by. 772 01:05:43,506.9681236 --> 01:05:46,595.0388928 And finally I get a text that says, um, I got it. 773 01:05:46,725.0388928 --> 01:05:48,365.0388928 Like they're going to give me citizenship. 774 01:05:48,625.0388928 --> 01:05:52,845.0388928 Oh, two minutes later, they don't have anybody that can sign the certificate. 775 01:05:53,195.0388928 --> 01:05:57,375.0388928 Uh, you know, so it's just, it's just thing after thing. 776 01:05:57,375.0388928 --> 01:06:04,434.9388928 And so she has to be to the airport by one o'clock to get on a flight to go, uh, San Diego, Houston, Houston, Munich, Munich. 777 01:06:04,435.0388928 --> 01:06:06,685.0388928 Uh, I can't remember this little town in Germany. 778 01:06:07,615.0388928 --> 01:06:10,275.0388928 And so like at 12, they go, okay, here it is. 779 01:06:10,540.0388928 --> 01:06:24,940.0378928 She, she hops in the car, they drive her over there, she flies over, I go pick her up, she gets in about Friday at four, I pick her up, drive her home, her stuff's all ready, she wakes up that next day to race, race, because she has to get those races in. 780 01:06:25,390.0388928 --> 01:06:36,370.0388928 And so she, she had, she had spent six nights in six different places, one of them overnight in an airplane, comes back, wins Saturday, and then wins Sunday. 781 01:06:36,694.9763928 --> 01:06:37,464.9763928 Unbelievable. 782 01:06:38,680.0388928 --> 01:06:39,590.0388928 mean that's, you're right. 783 01:06:40,339.370239 --> 01:06:41,749.432739 How? Bingo. 784 01:06:42,139.432739 --> 01:06:45,239.432739 I talked to the coach prior to that, and we had the same thing. 785 01:06:45,239.432739 --> 01:06:49,809.432739 You know what? If she can come top 10 and be healthy, perfect. 786 01:06:50,789.432739 --> 01:06:55,159.431739 Day one goes by and you're going, okay, that was cool. 787 01:06:55,329.432739 --> 01:06:57,109.432739 You know, and then day two goes by, she wins the game. 788 01:06:57,226.0994057 --> 01:06:59,966.0994057 She's just the strongest person I've ever come across. 789 01:07:00,386.0994057 --> 01:07:05,786.0994057 And then in order to all that, for, for that to happen, she had to, she was forced. 790 01:07:05,891.1994057 --> 01:07:10,186.0369056 To relinquish the Control. 791 01:07:10,821.0994057 --> 01:07:12,241.0994057 of that to then do it. 792 01:07:12,281.0994057 --> 01:07:22,415.3465712 And so I believe that was a big step in our relationship of, percent of the stuff she did were situations she's never been through. 793 01:07:22,485.3465712 --> 01:07:33,845.3465712 I've never been through, and I'm not even sure if a human being has been through, you know, I know nobody's ever going to repeat that little cycle of flying across the world, you know, and, and. 794 01:07:34,455.3465712 --> 01:07:39,995.3465712

Again, it relied on us coming together for a common goal and being okay. 795 01:07:39,995.3465712 --> 01:07:51,605.3455712 That, you know, maybe she gets more, I get more, you know, the, the intricacies of, of being behind the scenes, because you're right in, in order to get citizenship. 796 01:07:52,290.3455712 --> 01:07:54,390.3455712 Um, I played a big role in that. 797 01:07:55,900.3455712 --> 01:07:59,940.3455712 And then in order for her to win that race, well, I played a big role in that. 798 01:07:59,940.3455712 --> 01:08:05,30.3455712 And sort of, you know, her teammates and her team did those, she gets credit, but she deserves a credit. 799 01:08:05,617.0112379 --> 01:08:08,167.0112379 And so I think it's, it's some of that, like. 800 01:08:08,625.3455712 --> 01:08:10,565.3455712 Knowing what you're getting yourself into. 801 01:08:10,585.3455712 --> 01:08:24,320.2840712 And if you don't know what you're getting yourself into, then learning Pretty quickly quickly and then deciding, can I do this? Can I live with this? And us, that's been, you know, it's been good, know, Yeah. 802 01:08:24,735.3465712 --> 01:08:27,190.2840712 for reasons incredible. 803 01:08:27,380.2840712 --> 01:08:29,198.6799045 And like, and wild. 804 01:08:30,203.6164045 --> 01:08:33,303.6164045 Like, in hindsight, what a great story. 805 01:08:33,453.6164045 --> 01:08:35,643.6164045 At the time, what an absolute nightmare. 806 01:08:35,718.6799045 --> 01:08:36,788.6799045 absolute nightmare. 807 01:08:36,788.6799045 --> 01:08:38,978.6799045 I mean, every every turn,. 808 01:08:39,268.6799045 --> 01:08:43,528.5799045 then that year, later that year, she gets COVID right before she goes to the games. 809 01:08:43,778.5174045 --> 01:08:44,358.5174045 Oh wow. 810 01:08:44,578.5799045 --> 01:08:45,178.5799045 And right. 811 01:08:45,188.5799045 --> 01:08:49,518.5799045 So, so we're, we're, she tests positive the day we get back from her tour. 812 01:08:50,458.5174045 --> 01:08:51,138.5799045 Oh my Yeah. 813 01:08:51,138.5799045 --> 01:08:55,88.5799045 And you're going like, I will say that's when I broke, like, that's what I'm out. 814 01:08:55,368.5799045 --> 01:08:56,498.5789045 I got nothing left. 815 01:08:56,758.5799045 --> 01:08:58,108.5799045 I don't know what to do. 816 01:08:58,568.5799045 --> 01:09:04,898.5799045 Um, and that's what we, you know, really leaned on, uh, like her, her publicist, her name is Ilana. 817 01:09:05,368.5799045 --> 01:09:08,48.5799045 She was great because I was just tapped out. 818 01:09:08,48.5799045 --> 01:09:10,418.5799045 Like I had given everything that I thought I could give. 819 01:09:10,808.5799045 --> 01:09:12,18.5789045 She wasn't feeling good. 820 01:09:12,18.5789045 --> 01:09:13,188.5799045 She wasn't herself. 821 01:09:13,208.5799045 --> 01:09:15,308.5799045 You know, she had, she had a calf injury. 822 01:09:15,688.5799045 --> 01:09:16,648.5799045 It was that same thing. 823 01:09:16,966.9132379 --> 01:09:26,583.5794045 If you give up now and you don't you know, force yourself to work out, then what, then, you're sitting there going, I should have tried, I should have done this. 824 01:09:27,33.5804045 --> 01:09:29,3.5804045 And so that, that was a reoccurring thing. 825 01:09:29,23.5804045 --> 01:09:32,873.5794045 And I think it's helped me in my own personal life, outside of her. 826 01:09:32,873.5804045 --> 01:09:33,983.5804045 So although as much as. 827 01:09:34,528.5804045 --> 01:09:47,348.5179045 You know, as a spouse of an Olympic athlete, as much as I give, I'm learning lessons along the way, which makes me better in, in my own other areas of my life that maybe I'm not as confident in to, to Totally. 828 01:09:47,538.5804045 --> 01:09:47,878.5804045 that. 829 01:09:49,78.5179045 --> 01:09:49,588.5179045 Yeah. 830 01:09:49,818.5804045 --> 01:09:50,248.5804045 Yeah. 831 01:09:50,658.5169045 --> 01:09:51,28.5169045 Damn. 832 01:09:51,948.5169045 --> 01:09:52,938.5169045 That's remarkable. 833 01:09:54,218.5794045 --> 01:09:54,858.5794045 it's wild. 834 01:09:55,818.5159045 --> 01:09:56,798.5159045 It's really wild. 835 01:09:56,888.5169045 --> 01:09:57,238.5169045 Damn. 836 01:09:57,408.5179045 --> 01:10:00,658.5179045 I'm going to close it out with two quicker questions. 837 01:10:02,863.5179045 --> 01:10:04,773.5179045 The little baby gonna be a bobsledder. 838 01:10:04,863.5179045 --> 01:10:10,423.5804045 Is that, like, do you yeah, about that? Because that's a good. 839 01:10:10,816.9137379 --> 01:10:11,846.9137379 It's a good question. 840 01:10:12,86.9137379 --> 01:10:14,296.9137379 And people have asked Kaylee that before. 841 01:10:14,296.9137379 --> 01:10:22,470.2460712 And her response is if they want to be absolutely, though, she's very aware of what she's accomplished in her career. 842 01:10:22,920.2470712 --> 01:10:26,373.5804045 is, is very, very, wild. 843 01:10:26,723.5804045 --> 01:10:33,273.5804045 And so she, she wouldn't want our child to be put in that situation and say, you gotta do better than your mom, or you suck. 844 01:10:34,233.5794045 --> 01:10:43,436.9127379 Uh, so, if they want to be great, if they're really sport endeavored, I would say, let's try to do something that has a payday at the end. 845 01:10:43,436.9127379 --> 01:10:49,276.8502378 You know, who knows? Something that has a that's got a, Yeah. 846 01:10:49,596.9137379 --> 01:10:50,636.9137379 you know, that's got an audience. 847 01:10:51,236.9137379 --> 01:10:52,226.9137379 So, um. 848 01:10:53,456.9137379 --> 01:10:56,86.9137379 If the baby wants to be, you bet. 849 01:10:56,486.9137379 --> 01:10:58,366.9137379 Uh, and we, and we don't know a boy or a girl. 850 01:10:58,396.9137379 --> 01:11:00,986.9132379 We're not going to know until, uh, due date. 851 01:11:00,986.9132379 --> 01:11:02,450.2470712 So, yep, you know. 852 01:11:02,856.8512378 --> 01:11:03,806.8512378 a fun surprise. 853

01:11:03,851.9137379 --> 01:11:04,331.9137379 surprise. 854 01:11:04,341.9137379 --> 01:11:06,951.9137379 So maybe that changes what sport they may do. 855 01:11:08,36.8512378 --> 01:11:08,576.8512378 Totally. 856 01:11:08,626.8512378 --> 01:11:19,90.1835712 And I mean, I think the, the self awareness to know, like, having Kaylee as a mom already is going to be like a pretty, like, it's, it's a spectacular thing. 857 01:11:19,90.1845712 --> 01:11:31,725.1845712 But then as that child comes into their own, it's a formidable thing, you know? Yes, from a, from a, even from me being her husband's standpoint, there, there are times where it is intimidating and I saw I Totally. 858 01:11:31,895.2460712 --> 01:11:33,545.2460712 as a kid growing up going. 859 01:11:34,300.2470712 --> 01:11:34,780.2470712 Oh boy. 860 01:11:34,850.2470712 --> 01:11:35,90.2470712 Yeah. 861 01:11:35,140.2470712 --> 01:11:35,810.2470712 I love that. 862 01:11:36,280.2470712 --> 01:11:36,670.2470712 All right. 863 01:11:36,670.2470712 --> 01:11:42,555.3095713 And then my last question for you, where outside of the Olympics can we be watching bobsled races? Aha. 864 01:11:42,875.3095713 --> 01:11:49,55.3085713 So, there are races, which is your North America circuit happening in Park City right now. 865 01:11:49,805.3095713 --> 01:11:52,785.3105713 Those won't be broadcasted as much though the World Cup will. 866 01:11:52,785.3105713 --> 01:11:59,405.3105713 So every year they have a normal season and a world championships, just like track and field, just like every other sport. 867 01:12:00,15.3105713 --> 01:12:02,235.3105713 And then every four years, they have the Olympics. 868 01:12:02,855.3105713 --> 01:12:06,5.3105713 So this year, Kaylee's not competing for baby reasons. 869 01:12:06,845.3105713 --> 01:12:08,255.3105713 Though the season's still going on. 870 01:12:08,735.3105713 --> 01:12:18,565.3095713 On YouTube, the IBSF, which is the International Bobsleigh Skeleton Federation, has a YouTube channel that they will typically try to play the races live. 871 01:12:19,300.3105713 --> 01:12:22,20.3105713 And if they don't, you can typically go back and watch them. 872 01:12:22,70.3105713 --> 01:12:24,980.3105713 And you know, they have their Instagram and Facebook channel. 873 01:12:24,980.3105713 --> 01:12:26,720.3105713 That's probably the best places to go and look. 874 01:12:26,957.9775004 --> 01:12:28,247.9775004 it's an interesting sport. 875 01:12:28,267.9775004 --> 01:12:33,324.6451671 Once you get exposed to it, You just have to learn about it, basically. 876 01:12:33,344.7451671 --> 01:12:34,954.5451671 Yeah. 877 01:12:35,454.7076671 --> 01:12:38,214.7076671 It's gravity though. 878 01:12:38,214.7076671 --> 01:12:40,144.7076671 There are some complications in it. 879 01:12:40,634.7076671 --> 01:12:42,394.7076671 That not just everybody can do. 880 01:12:43,194.6451671 --> 01:12:43,714.6451671 Yeah. 881 01:12:43,714.6743338 --> 01:12:46,884.7076671 you watch a race, you go, that makes sense, I can give you my opinion. 882 01:12:47,624.7076671 --> 01:12:49,244.7076671 So it's an interesting, Yeah. 883 01:12:49,684.7076671 --> 01:12:54,294.7076671 It makes it a little more enjoyable to watch once you, I mean it's, it's like baseball. 884 01:12:54,964.7076671 --> 01:12:56,24.7076671 There's a lot of nuance. 885 01:12:56,24.7076671 --> 01:12:57,754.7076671 It's not just throwing the ball. 886 01:12:57,894.7701672 --> 01:12:58,374.7701672 that's all. 887 01:12:59,204.7701672 --> 01:13:00,534.7691672 Yeah, that's all I know. 888 01:13:00,664.7701672 --> 01:13:01,84.7691672 I know. 889 01:13:01,84.7701672 --> 01:13:10,988.1035005 they throw it, they hit it, like, you know, I'm sure, right, like you said, they've got the calls and the signals and the this, and you're going, he hit it, don't know, yeah, that's as far as I get, so. 890 01:13:12,228.0410004 --> 01:13:13,108.0410004 exactly. 891 01:13:13,168.0410004 --> 01:13:14,168.0400004 Ah, incredible. 892 01:13:14,178.0400004 --> 01:13:24,821.4358338 Well, any shout outs for anything you're working on in the San Diego area? well, I, I mean, how shamelessly can I plug Kalee more? I, I don't, you know. 893 01:13:25,461.3733338 --> 01:13:36,51.4358338 As shamelessly So, so a big part, like you said, of how do you financially afford all to, to do this Well, so what Kalee does is she, she's a really, good keynote speaker. 894 01:13:36,371.4358338 --> 01:13:40,151.4358338 So she does keynote speech speeches in the San Diego area. 895 01:13:40,151.4358338 --> 01:13:45,51.4358338 She does travel and fly around, and she did one for, like for example, like for Monster Energy. 896 01:13:45,51.4358338 --> 01:13:48,441.4358338 She did one for them, and she does more smaller and local. 897 01:13:48,441.4358338 --> 01:13:48,651.4358338 So. 898 01:13:49,196.4358338 --> 01:13:54,706.4358338 That's, that's something we're trying to work on where she does have time off, which typically you don't, you know, you're training year round. 899 01:13:55,346.4358338 --> 01:14:02,626.4358338 Uh, so she's, going and doing more of those, more speeches, more appearances, more talks. 900 01:14:02,706.4348338 --> 01:14:16,329.7691672 Uh, so, you know, if anybody in the area, What does she usually speak on? so it's typically her speech is based around, human performance and then overcoming adversity, and being successful in the face of adversity. 901 01:14:16,329.7691672 --> 01:14:18,649.7691672 And I, and I think part of her story and. 902 01:14:18,989.7691672 --> 01:14:41,899.9176672 What she really wants to share is, unfortunately, a lot of the times when you see hardships, you don't see a lot of stories where they come out on the other end and are successful and so she surely wants to talk about what she really, what she does talk about is how do you deal with that from a step by step standpoint? Um, you know, it's, it's, oh my gosh, look what you did. 903 01:14:42,219.9176672 --> 01:14:45,444.8551671 What's happening in your head? Because Yeah. 904 01:14:45,519.9176672 --> 01:14:48,689.9176672 happening in your head isn't happening in mine, because I'm going bananas. 905 01:14:49,509.9176672 --> 01:14:52,669.9166672 And so she talks a lot about and gives tools and, and tips. 906 01:14:52,669.9176672 --> 01:14:56,349.9166672 Stuff like this is how you can deal with high pressure situations and teammates and colleagues. 907 01:14:56,349.9166672 --> 01:14:57,209.9166672 Very cool. 908 01:14:57,224.9781672 --> 01:14:57,534.9781672 very cool. 909 01:14:57,544.9781672 --> 01:15:00,114.9791672 That's, that's the, um, her main topics right now. 910 01:15:01,19.9166672 --> 01:15:01,389.9166672 Yeah. 911 01:15:01,389.9166672 --> 01:15:01,949.9166672 I love that. 912 01:15:01,959.9166672 --> 01:15:07,889.9156672 That is, for everyone out there listening, that is great for a corporate setting, a school setting, a team setting. 913 01:15:07,899.9156672 --> 01:15:09,369.9156672 That's, that's awesome. 914 01:15:09,439.9166672 --> 01:15:09,799.9166672 Alright. 915 01:15:09,799.9166672 --> 01:15:10,489.9156672 Good plug. 916 01:15:10,589.9156672 --> 01:15:11,169.9156672 Good plug. 917 01:15:11,873.2490005 --> 01:15:12,293.2490005 Awesome. 918 01:15:12,293.2490005 --> 01:15:13,643.2500005 Well, thank you so much, Travis. 919 01:15:13,643.2500005 --> 01:15:15,193.2500005 I am gonna close this out here. 920 01:15:15,358.3125006 --> 01:15:15,878.3125006 Thank you.