บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ S11: E10 - Rob Jacobs (AM/FM) - The Talk Box and the Gold Top

you know, for people like me, I do it for the joy of music and I love what I do, and uh that works out well. 00:02:55.469 --> 00:02:57.789 We all get enough and fun doing it. 00:02:58.030 --> 00:03:03.710 Yeah, I I always like seeing Stacy's week monthly calendar and it's got like 25 shows on it. 00:03:03.789 --> 00:03:06.509 I'm like, wow, that's like 23 more than I like to do. 00:03:06.909 --> 00:03:08.270 Oh, I don't know how he does it. 00:03:08.349 --> 00:03:10.670 It's just crazy how much the man works. 00:03:10.830 --> 00:03:12.189 Yeah, he's a hard-working dude. 00:03:12.430 --> 00:03:13.069 It really is. 00:03:13.150 --> 00:03:13.310 Yeah. 00:03:13.629 --> 00:03:19.629 Well, let's see, I believe um you drove in from somewhere up in the Montgomery area. 00:03:19.710 --> 00:03:21.150 Is that where you call home these days? 00:03:21.390 --> 00:03:21.710 Yes, yes. 00:03:21.789 --> 00:03:24.990 We've been up there about eight years now in Montgomery, and uh we like it up there. 00:03:25.069 --> 00:03:26.270 It's a little slower paced. 00:03:26.430 --> 00:03:30.750 Uh we got deer around our yard and just a little quieter and fun. 00:03:31.629 --> 00:03:34.509 We talked about that a little bit before hitting the record button. 00:03:34.590 --> 00:03:38.590 That man, I just I told Terry I want to move out of the out to the country somewhere. 00:03:38.750 --> 00:03:42.909 There's too many people, like, and she's like, I'm not leaving the grandkids behind. 00:03:43.069 --> 00:03:47.550 So good thing for you guys that you're out there where there's a little less stuff going on, right? 00:03:47.870 --> 00:03:48.750 Oh, yeah, we like it. 00:03:48.830 --> 00:03:49.789 We like it a lot. 00:03:49.950 --> 00:03:57.870 And uh and we have a little land, we have some space around us, and also live in suburbia, and and there's a lot of pluses to it, but we like being out in the country. 00:03:58.270 --> 00:03:58.750 That's super cool. 00:03:58.990 --> 00:03:59.469 It's really nice. 00:03:59.710 --> 00:04:05.629 Yeah, and I I mentioned to you also I played up at Ransom's for a while, so that's up in your neck of the woods. 00:04:05.789 --> 00:04:14.909 And I guess the closest I get to Montgomery, much anymore by way of shows, is Lone Pint Brewery, which is up in Magnolia, not too far, probably from where you are. 00:04:15.150 --> 00:04:18.349 But uh I don't Chris and I don't play a lot up north. 00:04:18.430 --> 00:04:26.269 It's e it's usually Cypress, down in Kema at Jackie's, or you know, it's it's and we never seem to venture up more north Houston. 00:04:26.670 --> 00:04:29.949 Yeah, I think there's a definitely a need for more venues up there. 00:04:30.029 --> 00:04:34.509 Uh we do have the winery up there, Bernhard, and we did have Deep Roots till recently. 00:04:34.750 --> 00:04:36.349 Yeah, that sucked. 00:04:36.670 --> 00:04:42.349 Uh unfortunately it's not happening anymore, but uh but uh we'd like to see more music up there. 00:04:42.589 --> 00:04:43.469 Yeah, absolutely. 00:04:43.629 --> 00:04:54.589 Well, I got I was fortunate enough to be it was actually an AMFM show, and I had brought uh a guy that was filling in, Vern Vinard is his name. 00:04:54.829 --> 00:05:01.230 And when when Chris stepped out away from me to get through some health issues, Vern stepped in. 00:05:01.310 --> 00:05:04.430 He was he's the lead guitarist for Zach Perry's band. 00:05:04.829 --> 00:05:14.350 And I remember Stacy introducing me to Dean out at um the the wine the winery, and Stacy's like, no, you need to get Randy and Chris. 00:05:14.430 --> 00:05:16.110 He's like, All right, consider it done. 00:05:16.269 --> 00:05:21.310 So we were fortunate enough to play one show at that place before they had to close it down. 00:05:21.550 --> 00:05:22.509 Oh, that's awesome. 00:05:22.590 --> 00:05:23.069 Yeah. 00:05:23.310 --> 00:05:25.149 Yeah, it's a great place. 00:05:25.310 --> 00:05:32.350 Uh, deep roots had it, you know, it was just it was the owner was awesome, uh just good people, and a great crowd. 00:05:32.509 --> 00:05:36.110 And uh so we're hoping we'll get more out there though. 00:05:36.269 --> 00:05:38.189 And uh Bernhardt's always fun. 00:05:38.269 --> 00:05:39.389 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:40.509 --> 00:05:42.750 Well, let's go back in time for just a minute. 00:05:42.910 --> 00:05:45.389 So where was Rob Jacobs born? 00:05:45.470 --> 00:05:46.590 Are you a native Texan? 00:05:47.069 --> 00:05:53.709 Yes, uh, I was actually born in Galveston, uh, Texas, just down south, and uh grew up most of my life in Texas. 00:05:53.870 --> 00:06:01.310 Uh my parents moved around through San Antonio, El Paso, and settled into Houston uh in the 60s. 00:06:01.389 --> 00:06:04.590 Uh so then on, I've been a Houstonian. 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:05.310 Long time. 00:06:05.709 --> 00:06:06.750 Long time, right? 00:06:06.990 --> 00:06:07.310 Yeah. 00:06:08.670 --> 00:06:15.550 So I guess as a young kid, do you remember back to when the music bug bit you? 00:06:15.709 --> 00:06:18.910 I don't talk to the listeners a little bit about how far that goes back. 00:06:19.230 --> 00:06:19.470 I do. 00:06:19.550 --> 00:06:25.629 I guess probably about twelve is when I have my memories of mostly of music. 00:06:25.790 --> 00:06:46.990 Uh I I had started listening to the radio a lot, and uh I had a neighbor behind me, and uh he had a acoustic guitar and sang, and he was probably four or five years older than me, and and I'd go his house go over his house and play and and just try to seek out a chord or two and learn what I could. 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:49.069 But that's where the bug started. 00:06:49.470 --> 00:06:53.069 And uh I was in Bel Air, Bel Air, Texas. 00:06:53.310 --> 00:06:57.790 And uh so I guess I was about 12 years old. 00:06:57.949 --> 00:07:06.350 I s I asked my parents uh get me a guitar, and at which time uh I started taking lessons at uh Sharpstown Mall. 00:07:06.430 --> 00:07:10.509 I used to take the bus back to

Sharpstown Mall at H H music. 00:07:10.990 --> 00:07:11.149 Yeah. 00:07:11.389 --> 00:07:14.110 Well that was back when Sharpstown was a good place to live in, right? 00:07:14.430 --> 00:07:14.670 Exactly. 00:07:15.069 --> 00:07:16.829 Yeah, you can live through the trip, right? 00:07:17.069 --> 00:07:17.470 Exactly. 00:07:17.790 --> 00:07:22.910 And uh so I did that for a couple years, and uh that's where the book started. 00:07:23.069 --> 00:07:23.629 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:23.870 --> 00:07:26.750 I guess you probably living on that side of town for a while. 00:07:26.910 --> 00:07:34.750 You probably remember the drum keyboard and guitar shop over there off of 50, what was it, 59 and 59 chimney rock or something like that? 00:07:34.990 --> 00:07:36.189 Yep, and great place. 00:07:36.269 --> 00:07:50.269 I know I spent a lot of my money in there, so well, I certainly did too, and a musician shop was also they had one in Bel Air for a while, and uh the Baysemores did, and uh that used to be my hangout spot. 00:07:50.590 --> 00:07:51.470 For sure. 00:07:52.269 --> 00:07:55.389 You mentioned mom and dad buying that guitar. 00:07:55.550 --> 00:08:01.310 D do you come from a music family or not so much? 00:08:01.709 --> 00:08:02.829 Not so much, you know. 00:08:02.910 --> 00:08:07.389 Really, uh there's I mean, my grandmother played piano kind of thing. 00:08:07.470 --> 00:08:10.990 Uh nobody had any kind of real interest in it. 00:08:11.230 --> 00:08:12.590 But they all listened to music. 00:08:12.670 --> 00:08:24.590 I mean, I remember my dad playing uh you know a banjo player uh named Eddie Peabody, which is like most people don't know who that guess sort of Dixie land. 00:08:25.870 --> 00:08:31.790 And uh my mom would listen to uh John Geary and all the stuff. 00:08:31.949 --> 00:08:36.029 But um not so much in the family, it was just something that grew out of me. 00:08:36.110 --> 00:08:40.750 Yeah and and the the era when I was growing up with the music. 00:08:41.230 --> 00:08:46.590 I remember um my sister got the first turntable in her family. 00:08:47.309 --> 00:08:53.949 And uh I remember her uh playing uh Rod Stewart, Every Picture Tells a Story album, and I would hear that playing. 00:08:54.350 --> 00:09:07.069 And I go in there and started playing it, and and um and I remember getting a cassette player playing uh my first uh cassette was uh Santana's very first album. 00:09:08.509 --> 00:09:18.190 And um I remember I had a little cassette player I bought from Radio Shack that I would plug it in, you know, put it in and play, and that's awesome. 00:09:18.350 --> 00:09:19.950 It was getting a bug, yeah. 00:09:20.429 --> 00:09:26.830 And there were a lot of guitar players exploding at the time direct. 00:09:26.990 --> 00:09:27.389 So yeah. 00:09:27.950 --> 00:09:28.669 Jimmy Page. 00:09:29.310 --> 00:09:29.710 Yep. 00:09:30.269 --> 00:09:38.909 Well, I had a um a guest on my show a while back, uh Carmine Apece, who was the drummer for you know,

Rod Stewart for many years. 00:09:39.149 --> 00:09:46.110 And I I remember actually Guy Gelso, the drummer for Zebra, co-hosted that with me when we talked to Carmine. 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:52.429 And I told Carmine on the show, Rod Stewart, top three, top three for me vocally, right? 00:09:52.590 --> 00:09:54.190 Like is he the best singer? 00:09:54.350 --> 00:09:54.990 Absolutely not. 00:09:55.149 --> 00:10:03.870 I mean, there's far better singers, but just the whole thing with Rod Stewart, like that's where I cut, that's what I was cutting my teeth on growing up. 00:10:04.029 --> 00:10:06.190 The Rod's the early Rod Stewart stuff. 00:10:06.350 --> 00:10:06.909 Just loved it. 00:10:07.149 --> 00:10:08.990 Faces and whatnot, you know. 00:10:09.310 --> 00:10:16.590 Yeah, Ronnie Wood and slide stuff, and and the such a uh good mix of music. 00:10:16.669 --> 00:10:22.509 I mean, you had the the acoustic stuff, sure, the great ballads, you had the rock and roll guitar. 00:10:23.070 --> 00:10:30.509 I think it was the, you know, I think it was the voice, I think it was good songs, and I think it was just he was a the girls loved him, you know, and I loved him too. 00:10:30.669 --> 00:10:34.350 It's just like, man, if I had to be a rock star, I'd probably be that guy. 00:10:34.429 --> 00:10:36.509 Like he gets all the girls and you know, all that. 00:10:36.750 --> 00:10:37.549 Like no doubt. 00:10:38.029 --> 00:10:38.190 Yeah. 00:10:38.509 --> 00:10:38.750 Yeah. 00:10:39.310 --> 00:10:41.950 What about from a sibling perspective? 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:45.870 You know, mom and dad really weren't players of any instruments. 00:10:45.950 --> 00:10:47.389 Did you have brothers and sisters? 00:10:47.470 --> 00:10:54.909 And were were they into other than I know your sister had the turntable, but any musicianship in the family with the siblings? 00:10:55.629 --> 00:10:56.669 My brother, yes. 00:10:56.830 --> 00:11:00.990 Uh he he was he sort of got the knack for guitar. 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:03.310 He wanted he wanted to play guitar too. 00:11:03.470 --> 00:11:06.429 And we both sort of share guitars. 00:11:06.909 --> 00:11:13.070 Uh but at some point uh he kind of lost interest. 00:11:13.230 --> 00:11:22.110 And I think he he he was saw me progressing and he he was losing interest, basically. 00:11:22.429 --> 00:11:24.110 So he kind of retired from it. 00:11:24.190 --> 00:11:26.590 And he didn't latch on to it like you did, huh? 00:11:26.750 --> 00:11:27.470 He didn't latch on, no. 00:11:28.190 --> 00:11:44.909 But we were listening to the same stuff and like early guitar stuff like Wishbone Ash, and uh and and and you know, learning to play stuff, and he and I I think he just decided he wanted to go a different route, but he he was definitely into the same music. 00:11:45.389 --> 00:11:45.870 Yeah. 00:11:46.269 --> 00:11:46.830 Yeah. 00:11:47.470 --> 00:11:52.350 What three maybe a couple of bands, one, two, three, however many you want to mention. 00:11:52.509 --> 00:12:00.350 You mentioned Santana, of course, being the the the first tape you bought, but who were who were a couple of others that just really did it for you back in the day? 00:12:00.590 --> 00:12:04.509 Uh probably Grand Funk Railroad was a huge influence. 00:12:05.070 --> 00:12:08.909 Um I just loved the energy of that band. 00:12:10.750 --> 00:12:12.110 You know, Mark Farner. 00:12:12.750 --> 00:12:15.549 Uh so that was uh that was a huge influence. 00:12:15.789 --> 00:12:24.350 Uh of course Eric Clapton, uh Jeff Beck, uh Led Zeppelin was huge, Jimmy Page. 00:12:25.549 --> 00:12:26.990 All of the classic stuff, right? 00:12:27.310 --> 00:12:28.269 All of the classic guys. 00:12:28.669 --> 00:12:31.149 So you were always a rock and roll guy. 00:12:31.230 --> 00:12:34.830 You didn't start out as a country guy and and morph into a rock guy. 00:12:35.070 --> 00:12:36.750 Is that a safe assumption? 00:12:37.149 --> 00:12:37.789 Yeah, that is. 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:52.830 I mean, later on I started branching out into soft rock or country rock, really started listening to Poco and you know got into that singer-songwriter thing, and I became a huge Jackson Brown fan. 00:12:53.070 --> 00:12:53.310 Okay. 00:12:53.389 --> 00:12:53.549 Yeah. 00:12:53.789 --> 00:12:57.389 And David Lindley and Well, they're all associated, right? 00:12:57.629 --> 00:13:11.070 Poco, uh the Eagles, like all of those guys interwove, like um, and then I guess um, you know, you had Linda Ronstadt that was, you know, had some Eagles history, and uh Timothy B. 00:13:11.230 --> 00:13:18.110 Schmidt being in Poco, like, you know, it was like a smorgasbord of the same musicians moving in and out of bands back then, right? 00:13:18.350 --> 00:13:18.909 It really was. 00:13:19.070 --> 00:13:25.789 I mean, that Laurel Canyon scene, yeah, it was just blew up and and the music came out of there. 00:13:25.870 --> 00:13:26.429 It was a magical. 00:13:26.669 --> 00:13:36.590 I mean, Crossing Stiles and Yeah, I I I just my in my mind I went back to uh what was their song In the Heart of the Night? 00:13:36.750 --> 00:13:38.029 Yeah, Poco. 00:13:38.350 --> 00:13:40.269 Yeah, that was a man great. 00:13:40.509 --> 00:13:54.269 So, you know, I I was such a big, a big 70s rock guy because it seemed like all the musicians back then actually played their instruments and could all harmonize their asses off. 00:13:54.429 --> 00:14:03.870 You know, you think of Poco, you think of the Eagles, you think of Firefall, you think of all of these bands, and you're like, wow, that's when musicianship was really musicianship, right? 00:14:03.950 --> 00:14:05.470 Would you disagree with that at all? 00:14:05.870 --> 00:14:06.909 Absolutely agree. 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:13.789 I mean, and and the it was all about it wasn't about one person, it was all about the band. 00:14:14.029 --> 00:14:30.029 And you know, you you would talk about the guitar players and you talk about the bass players

and the drummers and their talents and skills, and and and just the bar was so high back then, and and the albums were there was no filler. 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:43.070 I mean, and we'll talk about more about AMFM later, but I mean you you look at the stuff that you guys are doing in AMFM, and it's very vocally, a lot of it is vocally charged, right? 00:14:43.149 --> 00:14:47.230 You're doing a lot of stuff from the 70s that required multiple singers in the band. 00:14:47.389 --> 00:14:49.389 It wasn't just one guy front in the band, right? 00:14:49.710 --> 00:14:50.429 Absolutely. 00:14:50.590 --> 00:15:05.070 And uh we really wanted to make sure we had the right combination of guys that can do those songs correctly, you know, and and pull them off because you know, we wouldn't do them if we couldn't have the right guys. 00:15:05.149 --> 00:15:09.870 And yeah, vocally, you absolutely have to have three or four good singers in there. 00:15:09.950 --> 00:15:15.950 And yeah, well, you know, and when Stacy was drumming for you guys, you know, usually a drummer doesn't sing, right? 00:15:16.029 --> 00:15:21.549 That's a rarity if the drummer sings, but he brought that element to AMFM when he was still with you guys, right? 00:15:21.870 --> 00:15:22.509 He did, and Stacy. 00:15:22.750 --> 00:15:30.750 He's one of those guys that could play so many different things and sing, and and he's he was great on drums, and and you're right, it's not not the easiest thing to do. 00:15:30.990 --> 00:15:31.230 No. 00:15:31.470 --> 00:15:35.389 I mean, if I think Don Henley probably professionally did it better than anybody. 00:15:35.710 --> 00:15:35.950 Sure. 00:15:36.029 --> 00:15:39.070 Yeah, Phil Phil Collins is probably up there as well, you know. 00:15:39.149 --> 00:15:45.470 When you think about just that guy, I was thinking the other day about him, and I said, Did he ever write a bad song? 00:15:45.629 --> 00:15:53.389 Like everything post-Genesis that he did was just they were all hit songs, like Land of Confusion, like like geez. 00:15:53.710 --> 00:16:00.909 And then you date back to the Genesis day, the the Duke album and uh the songs No Reply at all. 00:16:00.990 --> 00:16:07.389 You know, it's like, man, that was the stuff that was really hitting me when I was in seventh, eighth grade. 00:16:07.710 --> 00:16:13.230 I was getting girl crazy, music crazy, and it was just like, wow, you know, 78. 00:16:13.389 --> 00:16:18.909 I remember just being a magical year musically for me. 00:16:18.990 --> 00:16:22.190 I think that that's when it really, really hit me. 00:16:22.269 --> 00:16:29.230 Like that seventh, eighth grade, you know, and you're hearing all this stuff and you're like, shit, man, this is what I want to do. 00:16:29.310 --> 00:16:34.110 I was already a classical, you know, taking doing the classical piano thing, right? 00:16:34.269 --> 00:16:34.590 Right. 00:16:34.830 --> 00:16:38.590 And uh, and I I'm hearing all these guitar-based bands. 00:16:38.750 --> 00:16:42.590 I'm like, man, you can't pick up any girls at a party with a freaking piano. 00:16:42.669 --> 00:16:44.110 You can't take a piano to a party. 00:16:44.190 --> 00:16:47.149 I gotta, I gotta buy a guitar so I can carry that to the party. 00:16:47.230 --> 00:16:48.190 And you know what I'm saying? 00:16:48.350 --> 00:16:50.669 Like that's where my head was as an eight, eight-year-old. 00:16:50.750 --> 00:16:52.429 I mean, an eighth grader back then. 00:16:52.669 --> 00:16:54.429 Oh, I know totally what you're talking about. 00:16:54.509 --> 00:17:01.389 And going to high school, you know, I was going to Bel Air and you know, the jocks got all the girls. 00:17:01.470 --> 00:17:01.629 Yeah. 00:17:01.789 --> 00:17:03.629 And I was like, I uh see these. 00:17:04.029 --> 00:17:04.429 What the hell? 00:17:04.589 --> 00:17:05.789 Save some for us, right? 00:17:06.029 --> 00:17:08.589 Yeah, I need to do this guitar thing because I could, you know. 00:17:09.069 --> 00:17:09.869 There you go. 00:17:10.269 --> 00:17:22.589 And uh, but you know, I think being that seventh, eighth grade, that's kind of when you're really hit, you know, your influences are really for a style of music and things. 00:17:22.909 --> 00:17:26.829 Yeah, well, I I I'm guessing I'm trying to correlate the numbers in my head. 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:32.509 And usually numbers don't correlate in my head, um, just like dates don't correlate in my head. 00:17:32.669 --> 00:17:39.069 But 12, 13, 14 years old, you're getting into the guitar, that's that seventh, eighth grade time frame, right? 00:17:39.389 --> 00:17:45.309 I mean, it's it's it's all you know, it's the puzzle is just starting to work itself out here in this conversation, right? 00:17:45.549 --> 00:17:52.269 And that's when it happened for me, was like, wow, you know, this is this is moving, exactly something else. 00:17:52.750 --> 00:17:53.229 Exactly. 00:17:53.389 --> 00:17:59.949 And I remember early on, it the I was rock and roll, but I also I was starting to hear a lot of blues, okay, Alman Brothers. 00:18:00.109 --> 00:18:00.429 Yeah, okay. 00:18:00.589 --> 00:18:02.269 I was seeing bands that were branching out. 00:18:02.589 --> 00:18:08.029 So later on, that led to me getting a band called Just Got Lucky in the 90s. 00:18:08.269 --> 00:18:30.189 That was my first time to play slide, and the reason I did that was basically because it was a southern rock thing, and they were playing a lot of Alman Brothers, and so I dove in and and I was so glad to finally go back to that period because I admired it back then, but I never played that style. 00:18:30.429 --> 00:18:30.589 Yeah. 00:18:30.989 --> 00:18:32.909 Were you always an Allman Brothers fan? 00:18:33.069 --> 00:18:36.109 Did you always love that Muscle Shoals sound? 00:18:36.429 --> 00:18:36.829 I did. 00:18:36.989 --> 00:18:38.269 I did love that sound. 00:18:38.429 --> 00:18:46.109 Uh of course I loved you know Dwayne Allman's guitar and

his tone and Dickie Bats, and uh that Muscle Shoals sound was great. 00:18:46.189 --> 00:18:50.429 In fact, I got to go to Muscle Shoals, and that tour was awesome. 00:18:50.750 --> 00:18:51.869 That that's super cool. 00:18:52.109 --> 00:19:05.549 Well, one of my favorite songwriters currently and has been for a long time was a I guess you can kind of consider him Americana now, uh, but Jason Isbel from Jason Isbel and the 400 unit, right? 00:19:05.629 --> 00:19:06.989 He's a Muscle Scholes guy. 00:19:07.149 --> 00:19:10.750 And it and it just sounds, he sounds so muscle muscle shoals to you. 00:19:11.869 --> 00:19:17.309 Even in drive-by truckers when he was with them, it's like, okay, and this guy is a masterful writer. 00:19:17.469 --> 00:19:19.069 This guy doesn't write shitty songs. 00:19:19.229 --> 00:19:21.549 I'm just amazing how he writes. 00:19:21.709 --> 00:19:24.909 It's songwriters are here, and then there's Jason Isbull. 00:19:24.989 --> 00:19:28.189 I think he's just there's something that's magical about his writing. 00:19:28.349 --> 00:19:31.789 But I love the Muscle Shoals sound myself. 00:19:31.949 --> 00:19:32.589 And you know what? 00:19:32.669 --> 00:19:39.789 And all like I I always people joke a little bit, like, Randy, you're kind of like a musical savant. 00:19:39.869 --> 00:19:45.469 You know so much like people and albums and things that most people don't even think about. 00:19:45.549 --> 00:19:47.229 Like I geek out on that. 00:19:47.549 --> 00:19:52.269 But like the words in the song Muscle Shoals has got the swampers, right? 00:19:52.349 --> 00:19:59.949 I never knew what a swamper was until about a year ago when I was watching the probably the Leonard Skinner or some documentary like that, right? 00:20:00.109 --> 00:20:02.909 They were the they were the uh studio musicians, right? 00:20:03.069 --> 00:20:05.149 In Muscle Shoals, and I had no idea. 00:20:05.309 --> 00:20:06.989 So it's always nice to learn things, right? 00:20:07.149 --> 00:20:07.549 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:20:07.629 --> 00:20:09.389 I think I just found that out too a few years ago. 00:20:09.549 --> 00:20:09.789 Really? 00:20:09.869 --> 00:20:10.189 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:10.429 --> 00:20:12.750 So I wasn't the only dummy that wasn't, yeah. 00:20:12.909 --> 00:20:15.789 I'm like, what and what in the hell is a swamper like as that? 00:20:16.269 --> 00:20:16.829 I didn't know. 00:20:16.909 --> 00:20:20.109 And then so I'm watching this documentary, and they're like, the swamper's bottle. 00:20:20.269 --> 00:20:21.229 I'm like, wait a minute. 00:20:21.309 --> 00:20:22.269 Yeah, wait a minute. 00:20:22.429 --> 00:20:22.589 Right. 00:20:22.750 --> 00:20:23.949 And now it's all coming up. 00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:25.149 It starts to make sense. 00:20:25.229 --> 00:20:26.269 Yeah, the whole song. 00:20:26.349 --> 00:20:27.549 Yeah, totally. 00:20:28.349 --> 00:20:38.429 I mean, that that but that place, I uh muscle shoals, it was such a small little studio, and and the magic that was created in there, it's like it's almost high of ground, you know. 00:20:38.589 --> 00:20:42.509 Yes, it's like and it's the same group of guys a lot of times. 00:20:42.829 --> 00:20:50.669 The band obviously was the same guys, but whoever came through there, there was a lot of magic in there, you know. 00:20:50.989 --> 00:20:51.789 Yeah, 100%. 00:20:52.189 --> 00:20:58.989 And it m it just made me think of some of the guys I had on my show from a band, Hall of Fame band from Louisiana called LaRue. 00:20:59.549 --> 00:21:07.229 Um so it was interesting because there's a place in Bogalusa, Louisiana called Studio in the Country. 00:21:07.469 --> 00:21:22.269 And it's just out in the middle of nowhere, poke Bogaloosa, Louisiana, and the guys from some of the guys from LaRue were the swampers of that recording studio, the studio in the country. 00:21:22.349 --> 00:21:29.789 And this is the studio where Stevie Wonder recorded, Todo, Kansas, they did leftover tour in studio in the country. 00:21:29.949 --> 00:21:31.069 I'm like, wow. 00:21:31.229 --> 00:21:37.229 And I and I didn't ever know that the look the LaRue guys were studio musicians at Studio in the Country. 00:21:37.309 --> 00:21:43.629 So you get to know so many cool things about these artists and yourself. 00:21:43.789 --> 00:21:48.589 Like, you don't, you know, like I was saying to somebody the other day, who are you having on your show next? 00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:51.549 And I said, I'm having a guy named Rob Jacobs on my show. 00:21:51.709 --> 00:21:53.069 And they're like, Oh, who is Rob? 00:21:53.309 --> 00:22:01.469 And I said, Well, he's a local guy, but he's he's an intriguing guy because he's a great player, and I want to know more about like what's in his head. 00:22:01.549 --> 00:22:02.750 I'm this head game guy. 00:22:02.829 --> 00:22:15.469 Like, I I want to know how the musician thinks, and like, you know, that's that's what brought on the whole podcast because I love the stories behind the songs, and just like we're talking about muscle shoals and the swampers, who would have known, right? 00:22:15.629 --> 00:22:16.589 Right, right, right, right. 00:22:16.669 --> 00:22:19.309 That's I mean, that's that's so true. 00:22:19.469 --> 00:22:28.829 I mean it's a great way to get you know to get a real feel of how you know how a person gets into this. 00:22:29.389 --> 00:22:30.029 Absolutely. 00:22:30.269 --> 00:22:31.309 Absolutely it is. 00:22:31.469 --> 00:22:47.549 Well, if you if you didn't play the guitar, I know that struck you around twelve twelve-ish years old, but if you if you didn't play guitar, what what do you think the second instrument of choice would be for you. 00:22:49.629 --> 00:22:51.229 And don't say the recorder. 00:22:51.389 --> 00:22:52.189 That doesn't count. 00:22:52.669 --> 00:22:53.149 No, no. 00:22:53.309 --> 00:22:53.709 No, no. 00:22:54.029 --> 00:22:55.069 Everybody can play their recording. 00:22:55.229 --> 00:22:57.149 No,

the recorder I darn. 00:22:57.229 --> 00:22:58.189 I was going to say no. 00:22:58.429 --> 00:23:00.349 Probably piano, keyboards. 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:04.189 Because I always loved listening to singer-songwriters, right? 00:23:04.429 --> 00:23:07.149 And they just simple, you know, piano voice. 00:23:07.709 --> 00:23:07.949 For sure. 00:23:08.269 --> 00:23:12.989 Be able to sit down on piano and construct a beautiful piece, sing it. 00:23:13.389 --> 00:23:18.589 And just you know, the piano is a such a wonderful instrument. 00:23:19.069 --> 00:23:19.469 Yeah. 00:23:20.269 --> 00:23:26.109 That would have probably been my second because I made a few attempts later but never really had time to Yeah. 00:23:26.269 --> 00:23:32.589 You know what they say is the the the piano is probably one of the harder instruments to learn. 00:23:32.669 --> 00:23:42.189 And it's interesting because out of 20 kids that go to their parents to say I want to take music lessons, what do they what, what do they tell them to take? 00:23:42.429 --> 00:23:42.909 Piano. 00:23:43.309 --> 00:23:57.389 And it's like literally what they say, I don't know how much truth it is, I haven't validated it, but they say, I mean it's nice because it's linear whereas a fretboard on a guitar is not linear like the piano keys. 00:23:57.709 --> 00:24:16.349 But to make this hand do the bass lines and this hand to do the treble lines it's almost a little bit like drumming I would think like if especially if you're a singer where you have to have two feet doing something, two hands and you're trying to remember vocals, that takes a special kind of person, I think. 00:24:16.750 --> 00:24:18.349 Gosh, that is the hard part of it. 00:24:18.429 --> 00:24:29.309 And it's like having two separate brands because you got one, you know, two yeah I struggle with the one that I have let alone trying to wish I had two these fingers right here, you know. 00:24:31.629 --> 00:24:32.269 Yeah. 00:24:34.109 --> 00:24:34.989 But that was me. 00:24:35.069 --> 00:24:45.789 You know, I started out on the piano and then literally I I kind of say it tongue in cheek and joking, but um I I think I was at that age where I'm like it's no longer cool to play classical piano. 00:24:45.869 --> 00:24:46.109 Right? 00:24:46.269 --> 00:24:56.269 My teacher literally was teaching me you know Brahms, Beethoven like literally classic not classic like as in classic rock, classic cull. 00:24:56.429 --> 00:25:06.189 Like and while I guess while it's good for the theory part and your learning it's like who nobody wants to listen to this. 00:25:06.269 --> 00:25:11.149 You you can't go to a party as a 15 year old and play Brahms, right? 00:25:11.629 --> 00:25:13.869 You're going to get run out of the place for crying out loud. 00:25:13.949 --> 00:25:19.149 So you gotta you got to bring something else to the table and that's kind of my when when I shifted over to the guitar. 00:25:19.389 --> 00:25:25.709 Yeah you're right absolutely right I mean it's it's not something you could just sit down and just drum starts drumming a song. 00:25:25.869 --> 00:25:26.109 Sure. 00:25:26.669 --> 00:25:30.669 There's much more to it and much more complicated instrument I think. 00:25:30.909 --> 00:25:36.829 Absolutely I think of you know when you said classical I think of guys like Billy Joel. 00:25:37.229 --> 00:25:37.549 Sure. 00:25:37.629 --> 00:26:00.189 Yeah he no like real real classical players right but yeah go ahead and finish I think he sort of in interviews I've heard he sort of said he you know he it wasn't his favorite thing to do but you know he became had a love for it later and he of course it produced all that knowledge that gave him uh you know the tools to do what he does absolutely later. 00:26:00.589 --> 00:26:11.949 I was thinking I was thinking back to uh an interview I did with Russ Ballard and I don't know if that name sounds familiar to you but he was the lead singer for Argent. 00:26:12.189 --> 00:26:28.989 Hold your head up yeah that was that was Russ Ballard and what what a lot of people don't know about Russ is he's got he's a guitarist but he wrote most of his hit songs on the piano so God gave rock and roll to you by Kiss that was a Russ Ballard song. 00:26:29.229 --> 00:26:36.829 New York Groove by Ace Fraley that was Russ Ballard let's see what else did he do? 00:26:38.509 --> 00:26:41.309 He did um what was the big one? 00:26:42.509 --> 00:28:00.189 I'm drawing a blank on it but that's where he was writing all his songs on the piano you thought you would think that he would pick up the guitar and do that but you mentioned it earlier you know I'd like to just play around on the piano and find new songs and that's exactly how oh he wrote Winning by Santana what a great song that was that that was like when I heard that song for the very first time it was magical right who was this right and then I remember talking to Russ and he was at his place in England and we're talking about these songs that he's written and I and I can remember putting my head down in the uh to the microphone like this and he said is everything all right and I said I was just I'm having a little schoolgirl moment because you wrote you literally wrote the storyboard to my life musically winning God gave rock and roll to you all of these songs I had no idea back then that it was you writing it right yeah You Can Do Magic by America You can do magic out that's Russ Ballard now America made it famous but that's a Russ Ballard tune right and it's like you know so it was a whole who am I talking to right now? 00:28:00.349 --> 00:28:04.589 This guy's a a machine a a songwriting machine it's just so cool. 00:28:04.829 --> 00:28:24.509 But the whole point behind the the Randy the long Randy story there is that he would he would find ways to write all of those songs on the piano even though you look at New York groove by Kiss it's not a piano song it's it's a guitar song right so it's

interesting how that that piano correlates into something more rock and roll later on. 00:28:24.829 --> 00:28:25.069 Right. 00:28:25.149 --> 00:29:10.109 It definitely I'm sure helps the writing process to be able to have that you know because you're always as a guitar player you're always when you're writing you're always uh looking for inspiration whether it's you know put a capo on sometimes or switching to 12 string or trying sometimes just trying a different guitar yeah and you come up with an idea or a riff but uh but having that keyboard even gives you more uh ability to absolutely and I don't know the answer to this but I love you to educate myself and the listeners but you know here now you're known and much like I am we're known to go out and cover songs in restaurants and bars. 00:29:10.189 --> 00:29:11.709 That's what you and I do. 00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:14.189 Were you ever a songwriter? 00:29:14.349 --> 00:29:22.109 Do you have your own material somewhere or or has it always just been you know hey I'm just gonna be in the a tribute or a cover band? 00:29:22.429 --> 00:29:28.189 Uh I do have my own material and uh but I've never really promoted it promoted it. 00:29:28.509 --> 00:29:29.069 Why is that? 00:29:29.309 --> 00:29:48.429 You know I think it's uh I came to a point at uh where I was writing quite a bit of uh material and I was uh I was sending it out and pushing it and um it was a slow process and at the same time I was playing out and I was just like at some point shifted my energies more that makes sense. 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:53.709 But but the writing process is to me is like a zen. 00:29:53.869 --> 00:30:02.349 It's it's a really fun thing to do whether you're putting it out there or not for me sure it's just that whole process of creating something. 00:30:02.509 --> 00:30:10.429 Yeah so do you can do you consider yourself a lyricist or do you consider yourself more of a lyrical airhead? 00:30:11.149 --> 00:30:26.109 More of a lyrical airhead that's me yeah yeah but then but but then you've got the guys like Jason Isbull and Zach Perry that are just so prolific in songwriting like I mean it's like oh yeah I wrote four songs yesterday. 00:30:26.269 --> 00:30:32.029 Dude I ain't even written four songs in my life right I can't sit still long enough so I don't I think there's an R. 00:30:32.269 --> 00:30:49.709 I mean you just have to be able to write a good song and I don't think I was ever blessed with that myself right yeah I think it's something you kind of know you you know you know you have and you build on it like guitar I knew I kept building and building on that and I I progressed fast. 00:30:49.789 --> 00:31:00.269 And I think lyric writing always was I found to be a challenge and still trying to get better at it this day but you know I think some people maybe are just better at it. 00:31:00.429 --> 00:31:11.309 Just have a I think it I think it just comes to people easier than maybe other people I I don't know.

00:31:11.389 --> 00:31:34.829 And then you know you talk about structure around songwriting and I I've had um Michael Sweet from uh striper um did a stint with Boston after Brad dealt died he was the lead singer of Boston but you know we talked about how do you write and he's like I'm one of these writers that sets you know I set my schedule 10 o'clock I'm going into a room and I'm writing for an hour. 00:31:35.069 --> 00:31:37.949 But but most writers are not that structured in doing that. 00:31:38.029 --> 00:32:02.509 It has to just I'm driving down the road a melody hits me I record it or write it down right that's how most people write so it's it's it's interesting over the years of Backstage Pass radio to understand how how writers write is it a is it a scheduled task for you because I know you and I as salespeople we're probably pretty structured guys. 00:32:02.589 --> 00:32:27.309 You have to be structured to be successful in sales I believe but um were you more of the I've got to sit down at 10 o'clock in the morning writer or I just write when it hits me I think I it would have been better if I was more of a sit down at a specific time writer but I was more of a wait for the idea to hit I would you know if I came up with the riff I put it on put it down on a tape. 00:32:27.549 --> 00:32:27.709 Right. 00:32:27.949 --> 00:32:31.949 I wasn't and then I go develop it yeah over the next few weeks. 00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:40.349 But if you listen to the greats and interviews and it seems like most of those guys end up having some kind of schedule. 00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:46.669 Yeah I mean the famous story about uh Glenn Fry living underneath Jackson Brown. 00:32:47.229 --> 00:32:47.709 Take it easy. 00:32:47.949 --> 00:33:11.789 And yeah he said he'd every morning he'd hear uh Jackson Brown's tea kettle going off at it like in the morning at six or seven in the morning and he said he would sit there and listen to that and he'd listen to him play it over and over the same part same verse verse one over and over and tweak it and then he'd go to verse two and he'd and he'd do it all the way the whole day. 00:33:12.029 --> 00:33:18.989 And he's and he he said a light went off and basically said wait this is like a job I need to be working at it. 00:33:19.309 --> 00:33:19.469 Sure. 00:33:19.629 --> 00:33:28.429 Yeah so maybe that's well some of that work ethic must have rubbed off on him you know hearing that going on upstairs all all day long every day. 00:33:28.750 --> 00:33:29.149 Exactly. 00:33:29.389 --> 00:33:52.669 And most of those musicians like that Rob like you you know they're they probably do that stuff eight nine hours a day whereas you you and I never had that luxury I wish I had the luxury to sit and do expand the podcast growth and be a better guitarist and all the things right but there's only so many hours in the flipping day that we can do those things. 00:33:54.750 --> 00:34:01.069 And growing up you know that's if you learn when you're 12 or 13 you've got all this time. 00:34:01.229 --> 00:34:07.229 Yeah growing up to you start getting a real job and life realities come in. 00:34:07.389 --> 00:34:14.110 But that's I think that's the key is having the time to put in you know 100%. 00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:20.110 And but the nice thing is now I'm retired and uh I still try to get better. 00:34:20.590 --> 00:34:21.550 I think you have more time. 00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:22.829 Yeah good for you man. 00:34:22.989 --> 00:34:30.110 And so yeah you're you haven't gotten to an age where you're just like eh I'm I'm content. 00:34:30.190 --> 00:34:32.590 I'm just gonna be it is what it is. 00:34:32.750 --> 00:34:34.750 It sounds like you're not that way which is great. 00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:52.269 You're always and I think that continues to grow the brain keep the brain active maybe give the brain a little more elasticity because when we get older we don't remember things like we did when we were nine years old because the there's no elasticity in the brain anymore. 00:34:52.590 --> 00:35:21.389 So the the the fact that you are continuing to learn and develop that's great man and I think you're probably a little older than I am if if if I've heard correctly from uh probably some guys in your band actually but still I mean you don't I mean whether you're 50 60 70 80 you you can always learn something at the end of the day right oh yeah yeah and to me that's just it's it's it's fun I enjoy it it's it gives me a lot of satisfaction and peace. 00:35:21.710 --> 00:35:22.269 That's awesome. 00:35:22.429 --> 00:37:56.750 Well and and I've always said get your get your kid a a musical instrument I I don't care what it is but it's something that they can love and enjoy until the day they die right it's not we're not bound by physical limitations like I was 17 years in professional hockey and and played hockey I was a hockey player and my body doesn't want to do that anymore at 60 right like you're not if you if you get hurt you're not gonna heal like you did when you're 25 right so you tend to not do dumb shit like that anymore right right yeah so right but but the the piano the guitar the recorder whatever whatever you want to play that's something that when you're 78 82 you can still play those things if you want to oh yeah right yeah yeah yeah that's the beauty of it and and uh you know I think for kids you're mentioning kids I think one of the best things is to give a kid like something they can build self-esteem and what better than an instrument you know and uh give them something absolutely and you know what you know what's incredibly amazing to me is and I think you'll concur I don't know if you're a music or a or a YouTube junkie like I am but somebody sent me a video of a seven year old was playing subdivisions on the drums by Rush and the dude doesn't miss like every everything that I've tuned my ears to hear in that song and I've dissected the shit out of songs don't get me

wrong right sure this kid's spot on and it's like how in the hell have you come that polished of a player at seven like what what's going on with what's in the water these days because you know and I think it's probably learning tools like you've got the internet you've got tablature now that that we didn't have as kids we had to put a cassette tape in a damn player play stop rewind play stop rewind and listen over and over and over to understand what's he doing there what's he doing there what's that note right so I think the tools now are just so they're so relevant in in kids learning so much faster and being seasoned beyond their years if you will would you agree to some of that totally totally I mean I I can't think of the number of records I ruined trying to learn parts and you know put them on play it over. 00:37:56.829 --> 00:38:03.389 We didn't have we couldn't slow stuff down we couldn't no no and and you're right the tools now are just amazing. 00:38:03.549 --> 00:38:12.349 Yeah so and I didn't think about that like you could literally take an MP3 file and slow it down as much as you want to to hear what's going on. 00:38:12.509 --> 00:38:37.949 There was and maybe I'm maybe I'm crazy but I don't remember anything like that growing up right like if you wanted to record a song that you heard on the radio you had to wait for the DJ to play the damn song you couldn't you didn't have the opportunity to just go sit at your computer and say oh let me pull up Spotify and listen to that real quick you had to wait for the DJ to play it on the radio it seemed like it's just changed a lot over the years. 00:38:38.349 --> 00:39:22.349 Oh gosh yeah I used to record the midnight album of LOL yeah and then I'd just sit in and try to learn as much as I could yeah uh that's all we had with different times yeah different times and I remember this is really show my age but I remember uh in the newspaper you get one song every every Sunday I think they would give you a song that would just be the chords of some song that was at the time and we used to cut them out and I didn't I don't guess I remember that that might might have been a little bit before my time but when you think of the old days that's how you used to have to apply for a job is wait for the Sunday paper to come and get the classified to see what jobs were open. 00:39:22.509 --> 00:39:27.230 Now you just jump on the internet and it gives you 953 million jobs that are open. 00:39:27.309 --> 00:39:37.789 It's like wow where was this where was this stuff when I was growing up I could have used this stuff right you you mean I have to stuff an envelope with a resume and put a stamp on it and mail it somewhere? 00:39:38.349 --> 00:39:39.630 What the hell is going on? 00:39:40.670 --> 00:40:06.429 Well I know that you have um an arsenal probably and I'm gonna assume maybe I'm wrong but you're gonna set me right uh but I'm sure you have an arsenal of guitars uh at home and and of course they all serve their own purpose but if there's one of those guitars of the kids one of the one of the kids you had to turn them all loose but one which which guitar would that be for Rob Jacobs? 00:40:06.509 --> 00:40:06.989 Do you have one? 00:40:07.230 --> 00:40:26.349 Yes I do uh it's definitely my gold top Les Ball okay and I've had this had that since 1974 and it's been a lot of places with me and uh it's a wonderful sanding guitar and and it's just like a part of me. 00:40:26.509 --> 00:40:29.469 Yeah and it'll never go anywhere. 00:40:29.789 --> 00:40:33.069 I mean it'll it'll always be in my collection it'll be the last one. 00:40:33.309 --> 00:40:52.269 Um I also I guess about 20 years after I I guess maybe 20 years ago or so uh my house got robbed and I lost a few guitars and that particular guitar miraculously did not get stolen. 00:40:52.349 --> 00:40:57.869 It was sitting in a closetcase and they went through everything but somehow they missed that. 00:40:58.109 --> 00:40:58.670 That's crazy. 00:40:58.909 --> 00:41:03.230 So that to me was like the best thing could I come out of that horrible situation. 00:41:03.389 --> 00:41:38.909 But anyway it's been with me all these years I know and it's I think Slash played a gold top didn't he uh I think I think he did uh it's age now it's got you know it's turned green sort of top and uh you know it gets two two fret jobs sure but I mean I've played that in clubs and starting out for shows I didn't would you say you're a Gibson guy in general or or is there another brand that you kind of gravitate towards Gibson all the way. 00:41:39.069 --> 00:41:56.670 Yeah yeah I mean I've always I've toyed with the fender here and there and I love the way fenders sound and they're great for certain things but but feel wise and just everything is Gibson and you know the Gibson through a Marshall thing was a great tone. 00:41:56.989 --> 00:42:35.710 Yeah and what what advice do you think that you would give to a guitarist that really wanted to be um a great solo player because and I I'm asking that question because I took some lessons from Kent around um lead guitars and I think um I think it was like trying to teach a squirrel to drive a car right if I could use a a a dumb comparison but what advice would you give to I say a kid it could be a kid or an old person that wanted to learn to be a a good solo player. 00:42:35.789 --> 00:42:41.469 What advice would you give them what do you need to do and what do you need to know to be a good solo player? 00:42:41.869 --> 00:43:19.549 A lot of time uh yeah uh you know to me uh having a good ear helps a lot uh and you know the old saying if you want to be the best you've got to steal from the best but that's my style of learning was and I knew that worked for me was to break down parts from the greats that I loved and basically learn those parts and then as I went I I I started my own style fused into those and developed into my style but but yeah I had to know like you

know songs in G. 00:43:19.630 --> 00:44:00.670 I had to know all the positions in G and down the neck and and so for me it was just learning parts learning parts whatever you know completely as best I could and then you know applying it applying those to other songs and then you know interesting and uh easier technique develops over the years and you become maybe for me I didn't start early enough to care about learning to be a a solo player or a shredder because I was always a vocalist first, right? 00:44:00.909 --> 00:44:43.630 So the cowboy chords and even though I play more than cowboy chords but um for the sake of this conversation we'll just call it cowboy chords because I I've never considered myself an elite guitarist right but I hold my own right yeah um and and I've always been you know we talked about a lyrical airhead I've always been a solo airhead like I can't I can't figure it out and I think a lot of that has to do with at my age I don't know that I want to learn to do it at this age you know what I'm saying like what like Randy what do you what do you plan on becoming once you learn to solo like are you really gonna go get a solo gig or be a solo player in a band? 00:44:43.869 --> 00:44:48.429 Absolutely not right I'm not gonna do that So I think it has a lot to do with the timing. 00:44:48.670 --> 00:44:57.789 I should have learned that back at 20, 20 years old, 25 years old, or whatever, way long ago when again there's elasticity in the brain and you can retain all of that stuff. 00:44:58.349 --> 00:45:06.750 Exactly, because there's a lot of repetition of music and you learn, you know, what works and what works in certain songs, what type of solos. 00:45:06.989 --> 00:45:13.230 And I I think you know, I always say that the best solo I work, I do is when I'm not thinking about what I'm doing. 00:45:13.469 --> 00:45:13.710 Really? 00:45:13.869 --> 00:45:23.150 Because it's it's just it's all the work I put in and and stuff that I've learned and it's more of a feel thing, and you just let it happen. 00:45:23.549 --> 00:45:26.429 That's when I would feel like I was doing my best. 00:45:27.469 --> 00:45:30.109 But if I'm thinking about it, then I'll start. 00:45:30.829 --> 00:45:32.349 Yeah, overthinking things. 00:45:32.589 --> 00:45:34.109 Anything is not a good thing, right? 00:45:34.349 --> 00:45:34.909 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:48.029 I mean, I've even been on AMFM shows and playing a solo and uh, you know, and and just start questioning what I'm doing, or just looking at what I'm doing, thinking about it, and I'll hit a wrong note. 00:45:48.429 --> 00:45:48.829 Yeah. 00:45:49.069 --> 00:45:52.269 And then Kent, and then Kent's never gonna let you live it down. 00:45:52.349 --> 00:45:55.230 He's gonna make a face or he's gonna call you out on stage. 00:45:55.389 --> 00:45:58.989 You always know with Kent when somebody misses a part, but it's so funny. 00:45:59.230 --> 00:46:01.949 Yeah, you get the little look,

the interesting and then he'll laugh. 00:46:02.029 --> 00:46:02.509 I've seen it. 00:46:02.589 --> 00:46:02.989 I've seen it. 00:46:03.309 --> 00:46:22.750 And you know what the the the fun thing about that Kent's just easy to pick on for some reason, but um you know, if you had a hundred people at a show and I was there, I I would I would know the part or the note that got missed on, right? 00:46:22.829 --> 00:46:26.029 But the other 99 people there have no clue, right? 00:46:26.269 --> 00:46:26.589 Exactly. 00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:27.469 No idea. 00:46:27.710 --> 00:46:28.029 Exactly. 00:46:28.190 --> 00:46:29.389 Yeah, yeah, uh, yeah. 00:46:29.710 --> 00:46:30.109 No clue. 00:46:30.829 --> 00:46:31.630 Oh, that was great. 00:46:31.710 --> 00:46:33.150 Way to go, Rob, you killed it. 00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:35.150 Wait, I missed like seven notes in that cell. 00:46:35.389 --> 00:46:35.869 I know. 00:46:36.109 --> 00:46:40.909 Or the one person with the Facebook video, and you're like, that's the one you screw up on, yeah. 00:46:43.469 --> 00:46:44.190 Exactly. 00:46:44.589 --> 00:46:46.750 It's captured, it's captured in time, man. 00:46:46.909 --> 00:46:50.349 And you can't we'll never be able to escape our mistakes anymore. 00:46:50.429 --> 00:46:58.989 That's the that's the I guess the the life we're living right now is everybody has a a phone camera up doing something, right? 00:46:59.069 --> 00:47:00.429 There's nothing sacred anymore. 00:47:00.750 --> 00:47:01.789 And it'll never be perfect. 00:47:01.869 --> 00:47:05.630 Yeah, once you go, we you know no matter how hard you try. 00:47:05.949 --> 00:47:10.190 And that's part of maybe part of what makes live music very cool. 00:47:10.909 --> 00:47:11.789 Absolutely. 00:47:12.109 --> 00:47:13.069 I agree with you. 00:47:13.150 --> 00:47:20.670 That it's that's what I love about a singer-songwriter sitting on a a stool with just an acoustic guitar and a microphone. 00:47:20.829 --> 00:47:23.389 There's nothing fabricating sound. 00:47:23.630 --> 00:47:32.589 Um it's from the heart, it's there's no fancy petals that make it sound this or that or delayed. 00:47:32.829 --> 00:47:39.309 It's just a vulnerable time where an artist tells a three and a half minute story, and there's something about that. 00:47:39.469 --> 00:47:46.670 That's why I, you know, we talked a little bit about it gravitating to the acoustic guitar because it's just real, right? 00:47:46.909 --> 00:47:49.949 It's just it's just wood and steel, is all it is. 00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:53.469 And that has always just spoke to me. 00:47:53.630 --> 00:48:04.909 And don't get me wrong, I love the live music and I love roaring guitars like the next guy, but there's a real soft spot in my heart um when it comes to acoustic guitars. 00:48:05.069 --> 00:48:08.029 And I don't know, do you play much acoustic at all at home? 00:48:08.349 --> 00:48:08.670 I do. 00:48:08.829 --> 00:48:10.670 I play a lot of acoustic at home. 00:48:10.829 --> 00:48:16.109 And uh I started doing a few duets with Mike McCullough here and there. 00:48:16.349 --> 00:48:16.589 Okay. 00:48:17.869 --> 00:48:20.670 But uh I I do love I love acoustic. 00:48:20.909 --> 00:48:22.750 I just don't get enough opportunity to do it. 00:48:22.829 --> 00:48:26.429 I, you know, I have a really I have a Takamani, I play a lot. 00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:27.150 Nice. 00:48:27.549 --> 00:48:42.989 And um you know, I like I was telling you, I I I really had a started listening to Jackson Brown uh and Eagles and and you know, a lot of that's just great guitar, acoustic guitar, vocal. 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:45.869 Right songwriters, you know. 00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:48.829 Just uh I love that. 00:48:49.710 --> 00:48:50.829 I'd like to do more. 00:48:51.150 --> 00:48:51.549 Totally. 00:48:51.789 --> 00:49:02.509 Well, do you do you consider yourself a uh music theory guy, or are you more of an by-the-ear player than anything? 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:04.589 Totally by the ear. 00:49:08.349 --> 00:49:11.069 Yeah, definitely by the ear. 00:49:11.309 --> 00:49:20.909 Uh my training as mostly chords, uh I didn't get a lot of theory training, but I had a really good ear. 00:49:20.989 --> 00:49:22.750 I get hear stuff and I get to pick it out. 00:49:23.069 --> 00:49:23.549 Nice. 00:49:23.869 --> 00:49:25.150 And that's been my gift. 00:49:25.549 --> 00:49:27.630 Well, yeah, that's a gift in and of itself, right? 00:49:27.710 --> 00:49:29.949 Some people can't pick those parts out like that. 00:49:30.349 --> 00:49:31.069 Right, yeah. 00:49:31.150 --> 00:49:33.630 I mean, I I can just I hear parts and I know exactly. 00:49:33.949 --> 00:49:34.509 That's awesome. 00:49:34.670 --> 00:49:34.989 Yeah. 00:49:35.309 --> 00:49:35.949 How cool. 00:49:36.349 --> 00:49:47.549 And I always it uh it was always, you know, I see keyboard players reading off charts and things, and I and I've seen some that if they don't have a chart they can't find it. 00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:48.509 Yeah. 00:49:49.389 --> 00:49:50.190 Totally. 00:49:51.309 --> 00:49:55.549 Yeah, I I it's it's a art, it's an art and a science, I think. 00:49:55.710 --> 00:49:56.029 You know? 00:49:56.589 --> 00:49:57.309 It totally is. 00:49:57.549 --> 00:49:57.789 Yeah. 00:49:57.949 --> 00:49:58.269 Yeah. 00:49:58.829 --> 00:50:02.109 Well, I've heard rumblings, um, thank you. 00:50:02.349 --> 00:50:09.630 I've heard rumblings surrounding you and a connection with the band Fog Hat. 00:50:10.029 --> 00:50:16.269 Um share with me a little bit about whatever connection it is that you have with the great band of Foghat. 00:50:16.589 --> 00:50:18.190 Oh, sure, absolutely. 00:50:18.909 --> 00:50:25.469 So um I was in a band for a while uh with some guys. 00:50:25.630 --> 00:50:28.750 Uh Paul Byron was in the band called Crash. 00:50:28.829 --> 00:50:35.150 Uh we were playing uh covers and we were playing a lot of Foghat music at the time. 00:50:35.949 --> 00:50:43.549 And um Paul uh posted a

video or several videos of us playing songs by Foghat. 00:50:44.829 --> 00:51:01.869 And uh I guess a couple of months after that, Foghat was gonna be in Houston playing at Verizon Wireless, and uh Paul got a call from Linda Earl, the manager, uh asking us to be their guests at the show. 00:51:02.109 --> 00:51:26.269 And so we came and and uh they very gracious took us backstage and and then she said that they were watching videos and they were going to audition me uh to fill in their guitar for Brian because Brian ass at the time was having some family issues, he was gonna have to be off the road for a while. 00:51:27.069 --> 00:51:33.309 And uh they were going to uh audition me and wanted to kind of I guess meet me and things. 00:51:33.869 --> 00:51:39.309 It didn't come to fruition, Brian got back in, and uh but I've had a good relationship since then with them. 00:51:39.549 --> 00:51:41.069 That's super great people. 00:51:41.949 --> 00:51:51.869 And uh I did uh I I did get on stage with them one time in Vegas for a coup for a few songs and and uh that's super cool, man. 00:51:52.429 --> 00:51:52.829 Yeah. 00:51:53.069 --> 00:51:58.670 You know, when you think about that, the whole getting discovered. 00:51:59.230 --> 00:52:16.509 My my mind when you brought that up, you know, they saw a video, it immediately went to the whole Arnell Paneda story of you know, a little, I guess, Filipino kid, you know, living a shitty video on YouTube of him singing a journey song. 00:52:16.750 --> 00:52:21.949 Next thing you know, Neil Sean reaches out and he's been the lead singer of Journey for freaking ever. 00:52:22.190 --> 00:52:23.710 It's like, how cool is that? 00:52:23.869 --> 00:52:27.469 Just you're just gigging one night, it's some hole in the wall. 00:52:27.710 --> 00:52:29.949 And it's like life, Rob. 00:52:30.349 --> 00:52:32.909 It's like sales, sales is timing something. 00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:35.630 It's just being in the right place at the right time. 00:52:35.869 --> 00:52:39.469 And that for him was just being in the right place at the right time. 00:52:39.630 --> 00:52:45.549 And and for you, even though it didn't it didn't pan out or didn't actually come to fruition. 00:52:45.949 --> 00:52:51.469 The the fact that they saw it and you had a cool relationship with them, that's that's super cool in and of itself, right? 00:52:51.710 --> 00:52:52.989 It was, it was, and is. 00:52:53.069 --> 00:52:58.750 And uh I was just uh happy they recognized me and and uh and just the old experience. 00:52:58.909 --> 00:53:00.750 It was very it was amazing experience. 00:53:01.230 --> 00:53:02.029 Super cool, man. 00:53:02.269 --> 00:53:03.230 Uh yes. 00:53:03.630 --> 00:53:06.989 I think I'll uh I'm trying to remember his name. 00:53:07.230 --> 00:53:10.429 Is it Rod Price that that played with Foghat? 00:53:10.589 --> 00:53:13.789 He was a he was a monster slide guitar player, was he not? 00:53:14.109 --> 00:53:14.829 He was amazing. 00:53:14.909 -->

00:53:27.230 I mean, he his vibrato, I mean, and they used to say he covered five frets on his slot when he was vibrato as just and he's just he's very live, electric. 00:53:27.710 --> 00:53:28.029 Wow. 00:53:28.269 --> 00:53:33.469 It was it was very, very um uh unique. 00:53:33.789 --> 00:53:37.789 Uh and uh he had a lot of electric to it. 00:53:37.869 --> 00:53:42.509 I mean, a very hard side rock side that really fit Foggette perfectly. 00:53:43.389 --> 00:53:48.190 And uh I think he died at a pretty young age, too. 00:53:48.269 --> 00:53:54.750 It seems if my memory serves me correctly, it seems he was like fifty-six or fifty-seven years old when he passed. 00:53:54.829 --> 00:54:03.150 And I don't I don't remember anything about cause of death, of course, but I just know that he was a young guy when he when he passed. 00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:05.150 Yeah, I think you're right. 00:54:05.309 --> 00:54:09.309 Yeah, he did a I think he had a heart uh I don't know I don't know what it was, actually. 00:54:09.389 --> 00:54:15.789 I wanted to but but uh very young and uh so Lonesome Dave passed not too long after that. 00:54:17.549 --> 00:54:21.150 Who was Dave Pivot and you know uh Lonesome Dave. 00:54:21.230 --> 00:54:29.389 So he was but uh but Rod, I mean he was a key part of that band and slow ride and Fool for the City. 00:54:31.150 --> 00:54:31.549 Wow. 00:54:32.029 --> 00:54:33.469 Some good old tunes for sure. 00:54:33.710 --> 00:54:41.309 Yeah, some of the best slide were you know and I think a lot of Roger's still going, Roger Rural's still going, yeah. 00:54:41.630 --> 00:54:44.269 He's a monster on drama, great guy. 00:54:45.150 --> 00:54:57.789 I guess a lot of people forget how how big the Fall Hat live recording was, and I think it came out in '77, maybe. 00:54:59.469 --> 00:55:03.789 That's about uh I think I think that was a live album that went double platinum, right? 00:55:04.109 --> 00:55:06.349 So it was like a huge album for Fall Hat. 00:55:06.670 --> 00:55:09.389 And they were they were a band that was better live. 00:55:09.469 --> 00:55:10.429 I mean, they will tell you that. 00:55:10.509 --> 00:55:10.829 Oh, okay. 00:55:10.989 --> 00:55:12.349 They were known for their live shows. 00:55:12.670 --> 00:55:14.349 Not so much studio guys, right? 00:55:14.589 --> 00:55:15.949 Not really, no, no, no. 00:55:16.109 --> 00:55:17.949 Just got out and rode dogs, huh? 00:55:18.109 --> 00:55:19.389 And they were so good live. 00:55:19.469 --> 00:55:28.349 I mean uh but yeah, I mean they were they wrote great songs, but live they just so much energy. 00:55:28.589 --> 00:55:29.309 That's super cool. 00:55:29.549 --> 00:55:29.949 Yeah. 00:55:31.150 --> 00:55:37.469 Well, I do I do know that there is a connection with you and Malford Milligan. 00:55:38.029 --> 00:55:50.750 Um, and for the listeners who aren't familiar with Malford, he and you can add color to this, Rob, but an acclaimed bass blues singer out of Austin, Texas, right? 00:55:50.989 --> 00:55:51.789 Right, right, right. 00:55:51.869 --> 00:55:52.109 Yeah. 00:55:52.269 --> 00:55:58.029 Um so Storyville uh always one of my favorite Supergroup, right? 00:55:58.269 --> 00:55:58.909 I love those guys. 00:55:59.150 --> 00:56:00.029 Yeah, super group. 00:56:00.349 --> 00:56:06.109 Share share share with the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio your connection with Storyville and Malford. 00:56:06.509 --> 00:56:06.750 Okay. 00:56:06.909 --> 00:56:12.349 Uh well basically I was just a I was a big admirer of Malford's, uh, but I didn't know him. 00:56:12.509 --> 00:56:27.469 And uh a few years ago, uh I was approached by a friend of mine, his name's Mike Carm, and Mike had uh gotten with Malford about coming out and and uh doing some shows and kind of get back into the scene again. 00:56:27.789 --> 00:56:40.029 And Mike's a good friend, and Mike uh knew I knew the material well, and and we'd played in several bands together, and he called me and said, Hey, you know, let's you want to be a part of this? 00:56:40.109 --> 00:56:42.109 And I said, Absolutely. 00:56:42.670 --> 00:56:46.349 And um it was a great two years. 00:56:46.509 --> 00:56:53.069 Uh I got to do one show with Grissom, which is one of my all-time great guitar players on my list. 00:56:54.190 --> 00:57:02.190 And uh now was with was this with Storyville or was this with him kind of on his own, like like his own project? 00:57:02.349 --> 00:57:03.469 Uh on his own, yeah. 00:57:03.789 --> 00:57:04.269 Okay, gotcha. 00:57:04.349 --> 00:57:05.309 Okay, I'm following you now. 00:57:05.549 --> 00:57:06.429 Yeah, with different people. 00:57:06.670 --> 00:57:07.389 Yeah, gotcha. 00:57:07.630 --> 00:57:14.670 And we just had Dave come in for one show and do a show with us, and yeah, and uh that was at Dosido, as a matter of fact. 00:57:14.829 --> 00:57:30.909 Okay, so I remember and uh but I he's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, and uh and I mean talk about a soulful vocalist that sings from the heart and and he's also really writes really good lyrics. 00:57:31.230 --> 00:57:32.269 That's super cool. 00:57:32.509 --> 00:57:39.469 So uh he's still his I still keep in contact with him and and talk to Mike and uh quite often. 00:57:39.549 --> 00:57:40.750 So yeah. 00:57:41.150 --> 00:57:42.829 You you sparked my memory. 00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:56.670 I'm I'm so I I don't know if it's horrible as the right word, but I hear things in conversation and I immediately I can go to 18 different places in my head, and it just reminded me because I was texting with him this morning. 00:57:56.829 --> 00:58:04.750 I don't know if the the name Jimmy Hall sounds familiar, but Jimmy sang with Jeff Beck, and uh he's a he's a muscle shoals guy. 00:58:04.829 --> 00:58:09.389 He's coming onto the show, and we're trying to work out you know when this is gonna happen. 00:58:09.469 --> 00:58:17.789 I think he's still doing some work with Hank Williams Jr., but uh it was you it made me

think of him when you were talking about you know Malford. 00:58:18.190 --> 00:58:22.829 Malford phenomenal blues rock singer guy, right? 00:58:23.069 --> 00:58:23.469 Right, right. 00:58:23.869 --> 00:58:30.429 I mean coming from Storyville, you know, uh uh you know, Stevie Ray Vaughn's band, basically. 00:58:30.750 --> 00:58:32.429 Okay, the rhythm section, right? 00:58:33.069 --> 00:58:34.190 I mean, they were so good. 00:58:34.349 --> 00:58:35.309 I love their writing. 00:58:35.469 --> 00:58:35.789 Yeah. 00:58:36.029 --> 00:58:43.469 And well, I think that was what Tommy was it Tommy Shannon and uh um who's the other guy? 00:58:43.630 --> 00:58:45.710 Was it uh Chris Chris Leighton, right? 00:58:45.869 --> 00:58:48.269 Yes Chris Leighton was the drummer, drummer actually, yeah. 00:58:50.190 --> 00:58:52.670 And uh yeah, talk about a rhythm section. 00:58:52.909 --> 00:58:54.109 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:58:54.909 --> 00:58:59.150 Yeah, if you're playing with Stevie Ray Vaughn, you gotta be doing something right, you know what I'm saying? 00:58:59.309 --> 00:59:02.989 Yeah what a what a talent that guy was for sure. 00:59:03.549 --> 00:59:06.750 So we're um Good Day for the Blues is such a great song. 00:59:06.909 --> 00:59:07.230 Oh, yeah. 00:59:07.949 --> 00:59:08.909 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:59:09.549 --> 00:59:09.789 Yeah. 00:59:10.109 --> 00:59:13.469 Well, here we are in fast forward, you know. 00:59:13.549 --> 00:59:19.869 We we we started out when Rob was a kid in Galveston, Texas, and we're here in 2026 now. 00:59:20.109 --> 00:59:24.829 Share with the listeners what you have going on musically. 00:59:24.989 --> 00:59:26.829 Is it is it only AMFM? 00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:28.429 Do you have some other projects going on? 00:59:28.589 --> 00:59:30.269 What's going on with Rob Jacobs? 00:59:30.829 --> 00:59:47.309 Uh I'm also uh working with Mike McCullough on a Billy Joel tribute shot that we've been uh working on, and it's we've done a few shows and and we've got several things booked next year, and uh that's a lot of fun, and just love that music. 00:59:47.389 --> 00:59:50.670 And we're also doing an Elton John thing too, so on the side. 00:59:50.750 --> 00:59:51.869 So makes perfect sense. 00:59:52.029 --> 00:59:53.869 Elton and Billy with with Mike, right? 00:59:54.109 --> 00:59:56.589 With Mike, yeah, it's gotta be the piano man. 00:59:57.069 --> 01:00:15.150 So yeah, and that's it, it's fun music because for me, because it's it's a challenge, number one, because playing guitar parts on songs created on a piano, that's something else I had never really you know thought about, but the voicings are so different, yeah. 01:00:15.469 --> 01:00:19.150 And and getting that right, but that was part of the fun of it. 01:00:19.309 --> 01:00:23.789 And uh so that's on the agenda um for next year. 01:00:24.029 --> 01:00:28.349 Um uh continue to do my stuff at home. 01:00:28.429 --> 01:00:29.789 I love to do the writing. 01:00:29.869 --> 01:00:34.190 Uh we've got uh a lot of exciting things going on with AMFM for next year. 01:00:34.509 --> 01:00:51.949 Yeah, there's been um I guess a little bit of shuffling in the band as of recent, but um and of course for the listeners, AMFM is the 70s uh classic uh rock cover band that Rob is in. 01:00:52.190 --> 01:01:06.909 And bring so bring me up to speed on the uh the current lineup of AMFM, if you guys uh so Scott Manigan's come back, he was one of the original bass players, and Scott's come back to join us. 01:01:07.069 --> 01:01:20.269 Um we've got Kevin Coffey on drums, and uh Kent and I and Mike, um, which uh to me is a great setup for what we want to do next year, I said. 01:01:20.670 --> 01:01:25.630 And Kevin's Kevin Coffee came and joined us, and he's uh he's a great, great drummer. 01:01:25.710 --> 01:01:25.949 Yeah. 01:01:26.989 --> 01:01:33.069 I can't believe how he I mean we we did like probably four or five shows without a rehearsal. 01:01:33.309 --> 01:01:33.710 Wow. 01:01:33.949 --> 01:01:36.190 And you you really couldn't kill it, huh? 01:01:36.349 --> 01:01:37.150 He killed it, yeah. 01:01:37.230 --> 01:01:38.750 He's just a great guy to work with. 01:01:38.909 --> 01:01:43.869 Um wasn't he connected to uh I think we had a mutual friend in Greg Gilly. 01:01:44.029 --> 01:01:45.389 Does that does that sound familiar? 01:01:45.549 --> 01:01:48.829 Wasn't he playing drums with Greg Gilly's band, Mickey Gilly's Sons? 01:01:49.309 --> 01:01:49.869 I believe so. 01:01:50.029 --> 01:01:53.949 I don't know all the background, but uh uh but yeah. 01:01:54.109 --> 01:02:00.909 Uh but he's he's been he's great to play with, and uh he's a his time is perfect, his playing is great. 01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:04.349 And uh, you know, we did some shows with John Douglas for a while. 01:02:04.429 --> 01:02:04.909 Yeah. 01:02:05.150 --> 01:02:07.150 And uh what's Johnny up to? 01:02:07.389 --> 01:02:14.670 Well, Johnny is uh uh from what I hear is pretty much he's busy with uh the Bon Jovi stuff. 01:02:15.710 --> 01:02:19.469 And uh actually had lunch with him this last week. 01:02:19.549 --> 01:02:23.389 Uh and I did, and it was uh he's doing really well. 01:02:23.469 --> 01:02:29.069 He's just uh uh uh got some more things coming up with I believe with Bon Jovi. 01:02:29.309 --> 01:02:37.389 But uh one kind of cool thing is uh we're having a show on the 21st, November 21st at Jackie's breakout. 01:02:37.549 --> 01:02:37.710 Okay. 01:02:38.190 --> 01:02:39.710 And uh it's my birthday. 01:02:39.949 --> 01:02:40.429 Nice. 01:02:40.670 --> 01:02:43.549 And yeah, and Johnny's gonna come back and play drums with us that night. 01:02:43.789 --> 01:02:44.109 Awesome. 01:02:44.269 --> 01:02:45.469 So that's good to know. 01:02:45.710 --> 01:02:48.829 I have to check my schedule and see if I'm available that night. 01:02:49.069 --> 01:02:53.469 That's what sucks about being a musician is we're all usually working when each other are playing,

right? 01:02:53.549 --> 01:02:57.869 So it's like we never get to get out and support, you know, our our friends. 01:02:58.029 --> 01:03:02.109 I I probably I probably get out quite a bit. 01:03:02.190 --> 01:03:13.069 It depends on the venue, but you know, I've I've played Jackie's many times and uh a good buddy of mine who I call him like a brother. 01:03:13.150 --> 01:03:14.750 We live together, John Barrera. 01:03:14.829 --> 01:03:20.269 I don't know if you know John down, he's been GM at Jackie's for seems like a hundred years now. 01:03:20.509 --> 01:03:22.989 But uh love love John and shout out to John. 01:03:23.309 --> 01:03:25.309 But um that's cool. 01:03:25.389 --> 01:03:44.269 I knew I knew uh John Douglas had um, I guess he was gonna go out with Aerosmith, and that kind of got the kiosk put on it because of vocal issues or something, something with Steven Tyler, but um but then he was also had did he did he drum tech for Tico? 01:03:44.589 --> 01:03:46.190 Is that um at one time? 01:03:46.349 --> 01:03:47.789 Like what's the backstory there? 01:03:48.029 --> 01:03:48.750 Do you know what it was? 01:03:49.549 --> 01:03:53.549 What I understand is that uh he is teching for Tico. 01:03:54.109 --> 01:03:58.190 Um but he is also a backup kind of thing. 01:03:58.509 --> 01:04:00.989 I mean but don't quote me on that. 01:04:01.150 --> 01:04:02.670 I'm just yeah, yeah. 01:04:02.829 --> 01:04:08.750 Yeah, but I believe I do know he's taking he's doing Tico's like he's his drum tech, he builds drums for him. 01:04:09.069 --> 01:04:11.630 I've seen some of those drums he's built and they're awesome, man. 01:04:11.789 --> 01:04:17.150 Like for built them for was it Nico McBrain from Iron Maiden, built some stuff for him. 01:04:17.630 --> 01:04:18.349 Black Bear. 01:04:18.670 --> 01:04:20.190 Yeah, pretty cool work. 01:04:20.670 --> 01:04:21.949 Uh Alex Van Halen. 01:04:22.429 --> 01:04:22.670 Yeah. 01:04:22.829 --> 01:04:25.150 I mean, he tech for Alex for years. 01:04:26.190 --> 01:04:39.309 You know, I I had reached out, John and I had shared a few messages, and he had agreed to do the show, and then you know, all the craziness started with Aerosmith, and he thought he was gonna bail out. 01:04:39.389 --> 01:04:50.109 And I never really reached back out to him, but you know, the the uh interesting thing about him is I mean, of course you want to talk to him about those things, but the the artistry, right? 01:04:50.269 --> 01:04:53.949 He's a like an artist that can draw and paint his ass off. 01:04:54.029 --> 01:04:58.670 And I'm like, wow, there's there's a lot to talk to that guy about, even non-music related, right? 01:04:58.909 --> 01:05:01.710 Oh my god, he would be a great, great guy to talk to about that. 01:05:01.789 --> 01:05:02.109 Yeah. 01:05:02.269 --> 01:05:04.829 And his artwork is is unbelievable. 01:05:05.069 --> 01:05:05.309 It is. 01:05:05.389 --> 01:05:11.630 I've seen some of those pictures of rock stars, and I'm like, wow,

I w I wish I had like one eighth of that talent. 01:05:11.789 --> 01:05:15.069 I'm not I'm not an artist of any kind, right? 01:05:15.230 --> 01:05:18.109 And I would love to have have that gift for sure. 01:05:18.349 --> 01:05:35.389 I mean, he's I've been to his studio and uh he's just I mean it's like he's got this painting room that's just there's paint all over the yes, just like uh just throw paint up there and just make be these beautiful pictures and wow and uh what a talent. 01:05:35.630 --> 01:05:36.670 He's very, very talented. 01:05:36.909 --> 01:05:37.069 Yeah. 01:05:37.710 --> 01:05:53.549 Well, share with the listeners um the various bands uh music that you guys cover in AMFM for those that maybe are here locally in Houston that haven't seen an AMFM show. 01:05:53.630 --> 01:05:55.309 What what kind of stuff are you guys doing? 01:05:55.469 --> 01:05:59.549 What bands, what songs are you guys doing that would be familiar to the listeners? 01:06:00.269 --> 01:06:13.549 We do like Head East, uh Kansas, Boston, uh Cheap Trick, Grandfunk Railroad. 01:06:14.509 --> 01:06:22.509 I think you guys do something by Paul McCartney and and wings, baby I'm amazed, don't you guys do Mike do that on the other? 01:06:22.750 --> 01:06:24.190 Yeah, which is great. 01:06:24.429 --> 01:06:25.710 Yeah, I love that song. 01:06:25.789 --> 01:06:27.150 I love doing that solo. 01:06:27.949 --> 01:06:28.750 It's awesome. 01:06:28.989 --> 01:06:30.589 It's it's uh it's great. 01:06:30.829 --> 01:06:36.109 Because we do Hotel California, which is uh that's always a challenge to get the old double neck out. 01:06:36.589 --> 01:06:36.989 Yes. 01:06:38.349 --> 01:06:39.230 That's super cool. 01:06:39.389 --> 01:06:45.630 Well, I I have to say that AMFM is probably one of my favorite bands in the Houston area. 01:06:46.109 --> 01:06:52.589 And I encourage the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio to get out there and support you guys. 01:06:52.750 --> 01:06:55.389 Also, you know, hit the website. 01:06:55.469 --> 01:07:01.710 I think spacecitybands.com is where they can find the master schedule for you guys. 01:07:01.949 --> 01:07:04.029 But I remember taking Vern. 01:07:04.909 --> 01:07:08.909 You know, Vern played a little guitar with me when Chris stepped out. 01:07:09.069 --> 01:07:17.309 But I I I told Vern, I said, hey man, you should ride with me out to uh Deep Roots uh Vineyard. 01:07:17.469 --> 01:07:19.069 I got some buddies playing out there. 01:07:19.150 --> 01:07:19.789 He's like, eh. 01:07:20.349 --> 01:07:21.469 He's one of those guys. 01:07:21.630 --> 01:07:21.789 Eh. 01:07:22.589 --> 01:07:24.989 Don't really care to get out and see other people. 01:07:25.230 --> 01:07:30.909 And was flabbergasted when he saw you guys play and couldn't say enough good things about you. 01:07:32.190 --> 01:07:35.710 You know, just man, he's like all the parts are there. 01:07:35.869 --> 01:07:38.589 Like, I mean, they're almost like locked in to everyone. 01:07:38.670

--> 01:07:53.869 And then he's lit, he's even on another level than I am, just from a from an intaker and digesting every note that you've heard in your head 73 million times in your life that you've listened to these songs. 01:07:53.949 --> 01:07:57.389 You listen for all those integral parts of the songs. 01:07:57.630 --> 01:08:01.069 And and and while he was sitting there, he's like, Yep, he hit that one. 01:08:01.150 --> 01:08:03.150 Yeah, oh shit, he hit that bass line. 01:08:03.230 --> 01:08:11.309 Oh, and they're they seem so minuscule or remedial, but they're a big part of the songs, right? 01:08:11.630 --> 01:08:14.589 And and he had nothing but great things to say about you guys. 01:08:14.750 --> 01:08:15.789 So I appreciate that. 01:08:15.869 --> 01:08:21.069 Yeah, we we are pretty picky about all those little parts, and and that's part of the fun of it. 01:08:21.150 --> 01:08:31.710 I love going back and the guys and dissecting a song, you know, you've listened to it a hundred times, but going back and and uh I want to figure that part out exactly. 01:08:31.949 --> 01:08:36.270 See what the guy was trying to how was he playing it, where was he playing it, you know. 01:08:36.590 --> 01:08:44.750 I'm sure there's been times where you've picked uh picked a song apart and said, Wow, I never heard that before. 01:08:44.989 --> 01:08:48.829 I'm I'm hearing it now that I'm really focused on it and paying attention, right? 01:08:49.150 --> 01:08:49.630 All the time. 01:08:49.789 --> 01:08:49.949 Yeah. 01:08:50.350 --> 01:08:52.029 You're like, wow, that's what he did there. 01:08:52.350 --> 01:08:52.750 Exactly. 01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:53.710 It'll surprise you. 01:08:53.789 --> 01:09:02.670 And then sometimes uh if you don't listen to the original version and you play it for like a year out, you'll start changing it and you don't even know it. 01:09:02.989 --> 01:09:03.069 Yeah. 01:09:04.029 --> 01:09:06.269 You'll go, wait, I'm playing that right. 01:09:06.430 --> 01:09:06.670 Yes. 01:09:06.829 --> 01:09:08.269 And it kind of morphed into something else. 01:09:08.590 --> 01:09:14.670 Sometimes we'll you'll go back, sometimes it's something cool, but sometimes you'll go back and go, I need to revisit sure. 01:09:14.989 --> 01:09:16.430 You know what I was doing on that. 01:09:16.909 --> 01:09:21.149 And but we try to get it as close as we can. 01:09:21.229 --> 01:09:24.269 If and we try to pick songs that we we can get there. 01:09:24.510 --> 01:09:25.789 Yeah, thank you for the compliments. 01:09:26.029 --> 01:09:27.149 Yeah, they're appreciate that. 01:09:27.470 --> 01:09:33.309 There the uh the song choice is a big part of a band's success, right? 01:09:33.470 --> 01:09:53.470 Because I've heard I've heard other musicians, and I and on this show, I don't bash people, music's not a competition, and I don't I'm not a dirt spreader, but um there are some bands that will re-key a song so much that it just doesn't sound it's like eh, you shouldn't have done that one, right? 01:09:53.630 --> 01:09:54.029 Oh, yeah. 01:09:54.189 --> 01:10:04.269 You should have done, you know, all the other 25 that you played in the show were perfect, but right that one should not have been done, right? 01:10:04.510 --> 01:10:07.470 You gotta you gotta know your lane, I guess is what I'm saying. 01:10:07.630 --> 01:10:12.989 Like I know that I'm not gonna, me and Chris are not gonna go play and I'm gonna cover rush. 01:10:13.069 --> 01:10:14.349 I'm just not gonna do that, right? 01:10:14.430 --> 01:10:16.349 I don't have a I don't have a getty voice. 01:10:16.430 --> 01:10:17.390 I can never pull that off. 01:10:17.550 --> 01:10:17.949 Right, right. 01:10:18.029 --> 01:10:22.510 So you're not so don't do stay in your comfort zone and do what you do well, right? 01:10:22.829 --> 01:10:23.470 Exactly. 01:10:23.630 --> 01:10:28.430 And and for us, learning a song, picking a song is a major undertaking. 01:10:28.510 --> 01:10:31.789 Like we we will sit and discuss and discuss. 01:10:32.189 --> 01:10:32.430 That's good. 01:10:32.590 --> 01:10:33.789 It's a democracy, yeah. 01:10:34.029 --> 01:10:40.989 Yeah, until we find you know, there's a lot of everybody's opinion about and we end up with the best 40 song. 01:10:41.789 --> 01:10:48.029 Um but we we know if like they know let's not like do a little Jeff Beck song. 01:10:48.109 --> 01:10:48.189 Yeah. 01:10:48.430 --> 01:10:50.430 I don't I they don't want me to try to do Jeff Beck. 01:10:50.829 --> 01:10:51.229 Of course. 01:10:51.710 --> 01:10:58.989 But uh can't can't maybe can't hit the range or absolutely but uh you know what I was just thinking about, Rob. 01:10:59.229 --> 01:11:04.909 I remember seeing um I've seen Stacy and Kent play quite a few times in Mr. 01:11:05.069 --> 01:11:06.349 Wonderful as well. 01:11:06.829 --> 01:11:11.630 And I took I took Vern also out to see um Mr. 01:11:11.710 --> 01:11:27.789 Wonderful, and I guess even I didn't realize, and maybe I'm just stupid to it, but uh some of those 80s new wave songs that they're doing, they have some very intricate guitar and bass parts in them. 01:11:27.869 --> 01:11:40.349 And I never, I never, you know, when I hear like bands like some of that synth synth music back in the day, it just seemed, it seems so like overly simple to me. 01:11:40.510 --> 01:11:46.510 And then seeing these guys play these songs live, I was like, wow, is that the actual bass line to that song? 01:11:46.670 --> 01:11:50.029 Because that's on like that's that's some Getty Lee shit going on. 01:11:50.590 --> 01:11:51.149 You know what I'm saying? 01:11:51.710 --> 01:12:11.470 So I I think I was educated, like seeing them play those songs live, thinking, wow, these these people, because I think maybe because the songs were so keyboard heavy, the the the new wave stuff, yeah, it kind of shadowed every everything else was a shadow of the keyboard. 01:12:11.550 --> 01:12:14.029 Yeah, so you couldn't hear those

parts. 01:12:14.670 --> 01:12:18.670 But like Duran Duran bass lines is just like, what? 01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:21.789 That is like intricate, that's cool stuff, right? 01:12:21.949 --> 01:12:26.510 And and Vern even made that comment about the the 80s band. 01:12:26.750 --> 01:12:33.869 He's like, wow, that I mean their their stuff is like spot on with what they're what the actual musicians were playing. 01:12:33.949 --> 01:12:42.590 And I said, I really didn't I had this this preconceived notion, I guess if you will, that they weren't really good musicians back then. 01:12:42.670 --> 01:12:52.189 But after seeing that live, I'm like had a whole new respect for the musicianship back in the 80s, even though I was not a new wave synth guy, right? 01:12:52.430 --> 01:12:52.989 Right. 01:12:53.229 --> 01:12:56.510 But now I have more respect than I've ever had from it. 01:12:56.829 --> 01:12:59.069 Yeah, and that's a that's a totally good observation. 01:12:59.149 --> 01:13:26.590 Because I've I sort of had the same reaction when I saw saw them do Simpson, because I mean hearing them live and and and you hear this these guitar parts are you know, they were great little parts that just were well thought out, well written parts, and and you know, I think I kind of was anti- uh hairband, not anti-airband, but just was it my thing? 01:13:26.829 --> 01:13:27.550 Sure, no. 01:13:28.029 --> 01:13:30.829 And um, but I have a lot more respect for it. 01:13:30.909 --> 01:13:30.989 Sure. 01:13:31.470 --> 01:13:44.029 And I see there's such great writing going on in the there really is, and I think that that starting this podcast was probably the best thing that I ever did because I've always been stuck in my lane too. 01:13:44.189 --> 01:13:46.269 I I like what I like and I know what I like. 01:13:46.430 --> 01:14:04.590 I sound like Popeye the Sailor Man, but um my my point being is initially when I picked the guitar up again, and well, I never put it down, but I started playing out professionally in 2016 as just a solo guy, and it's morphed into this duo thing that I have going on. 01:14:04.670 --> 01:14:12.510 But I said, Randy, you know, you're a 70s, 80s, 90s classic rock guy, and but you have to bring more to the table. 01:14:12.829 --> 01:14:19.309 You know, if if you're a solo artist, you can't just sit there and do rock song after rock song after rock song. 01:14:19.390 --> 01:14:23.470 You have to weave some Americana in there and some, you know, some country stuff. 01:14:23.550 --> 01:14:26.670 So I really started listening to country, to Americana. 01:14:26.750 --> 01:14:30.670 I'm like, why didn't I do this 40 years ago? 01:14:30.829 --> 01:14:33.390 Like, I because my mind was closed to it. 01:14:33.470 --> 01:14:37.949 I I'm not gonna say I didn't like it, it just wasn't my bag at the end of the day. 01:14:38.269 --> 01:14:43.630 But the show has opened up my brain to listen to all different kinds of genre. 01:14:43.710 --> 01:14:50.349 I've had

rap people on this show, and I don't I don't own a rap album, but those guys are good at what they do, right? 01:14:50.590 --> 01:14:57.710 And you can't take that away from them, even though I'm not gonna go buy a you know uh notorious BIG record tomorrow. 01:14:57.949 --> 01:15:01.710 But my point is those guys are talented in what they do, right? 01:15:01.869 --> 01:15:10.269 So whether so whether you're a rapper or an 80s sense person or a 70s, 80s, 90s classic rock person, those guys are very talented, man. 01:15:10.510 --> 01:15:20.909 And I think that I think with the show and then just seeing all you guys play live on stage, it's like wow, it's it's really gets you to open forces you to open your mind. 01:15:21.550 --> 01:15:22.269 It does, it does. 01:15:22.430 --> 01:15:23.309 It's seeing it live. 01:15:23.390 --> 01:15:28.430 I we saw a flock of seagulls, I guess, yeah at Summerfest a couple years ago. 01:15:28.750 --> 01:15:32.590 And just seeing that music live just yeah changed my whole idea. 01:15:32.989 --> 01:15:33.550 Absolutely. 01:15:34.109 --> 01:15:43.390 How do you and Kent determine who takes a lead in a in a song when you when you sit down and decide, hey, we're gonna do this one? 01:15:43.789 --> 01:15:45.550 Like who you who gets the solo? 01:15:46.510 --> 01:15:56.189 You know, it it's I don't know why it's morphed into this, but it's mostly uh most of the time it's they want me to do the solos. 01:15:56.430 --> 01:15:56.590 Really? 01:15:56.989 --> 01:15:57.789 Pretty much. 01:15:58.109 --> 01:16:07.229 Um, unless it's something because I always always open it up to say, well, you know, what do y'all how do y'all want to do this? 01:16:09.149 --> 01:16:13.630 But Julie, I I think Kent loves doing what he does for us. 01:16:14.989 --> 01:16:18.989 Great, great rhythm, and he's a great guitar player all over. 01:16:19.309 --> 01:16:20.989 I mean his leads are great. 01:16:21.149 --> 01:16:26.269 Um we do a lot of double lead work together, and uh which is great. 01:16:26.430 --> 01:16:40.510 And uh but I think he likes just his comfort zone with AMF him is singing and playing rhythm and keeping pulling you know the just kind of sits back into the pocket and and and rides the song basically. 01:16:41.069 --> 01:16:42.510 Exactly, exactly. 01:16:42.829 --> 01:16:47.229 You know, but if there's a several leads in a song, though, you know, we might split them up. 01:16:47.390 --> 01:16:48.189 Yeah, you know. 01:16:48.750 --> 01:16:49.470 That makes sense. 01:16:49.789 --> 01:17:00.829 And I and it seems like the reason I wanted to ask you that is because it seemed like to me that you did cover most of the leads or more of the leads in AMFM than even Kent does. 01:17:00.989 --> 01:17:03.949 And and I've always known Kent as the lead guitarist, right? 01:17:04.029 --> 01:17:06.109 For a lot of the other bands that he's played in. 01:17:06.269 --> 01:17:06.430 Sure. 01:17:06.590 --> 01:17:16.750 Um, so to see him kind of more

I wouldn't say he's not in the background at all, but I'm like, wow, Rob Rob actually plays quite a few more leads in some of these songs than Kent does. 01:17:16.909 --> 01:17:17.710 So Yeah. 01:17:17.869 --> 01:17:18.109 Yeah. 01:17:18.269 --> 01:17:18.510 Yeah. 01:17:18.909 --> 01:17:21.710 That's that's kudos to you because Kent's a great player, right? 01:17:21.869 --> 01:17:30.189 So a great player allowing another great player to play, that that's that's a compliment to you, uh, even without saying anything. 01:17:30.750 --> 01:17:31.229 Absolutely. 01:17:31.470 --> 01:17:34.109 And you know, I'm all about what's best for the band. 01:17:34.670 --> 01:17:35.390 And the song, right? 01:17:35.550 --> 01:17:36.590 Yeah, serve the song. 01:17:37.229 --> 01:17:37.630 Yeah. 01:17:38.590 --> 01:17:44.430 Well, you bring to life an instrument known as the talk box in the band. 01:17:44.590 --> 01:17:45.149 Oh, yeah. 01:17:45.309 --> 01:17:50.909 And uh I wanted you to share with the listeners what what the hell a talk box even is. 01:17:51.069 --> 01:17:58.109 Of course, I know what one is, but share with the listeners what what what is the talk box, what what does it do, and how does it work? 01:17:58.430 --> 01:18:06.349 Yeah, basically a talk box is a hose that comes up through an amp or of some kind. 01:18:07.149 --> 01:18:21.149 And basically, when you breathe into this tube, it creates a sound that it combines with your guitar signal to make a certain sound. 01:18:21.869 --> 01:18:48.909 So it's it's it's hard to describe other than it's consonant and vowels in your mouth, and you make those sounds, and at the same time as you're playing your guitar, and you get those notes in those vowels coming out of it in a whole different way that you know it it's so it's not blowing air into your mouth, right? 01:18:49.069 --> 01:18:54.750 Or no, no, okay, so it's just like a tube with you don't even feel anything coming out of the thing. 01:18:54.989 --> 01:19:00.750 No, there's nothing coming out of the tube, you're just blowing in the tube, and the microphone is actually your vocal mic is picking up. 01:19:01.149 --> 01:19:01.309 Okay. 01:19:02.029 --> 01:19:05.309 And it's producing whatever you blow through it. 01:19:05.550 --> 01:19:17.550 And uh but it's it's you're playing notes on a guitar and you're blowing in at the same time and making consonant sounds with your mouth. 01:19:17.949 --> 01:19:29.789 So if you do a bend on the guitar, is the bend sound coming from the guitar you actually you're not humming anything into this thing, right? 01:19:29.869 --> 01:19:34.029 It's just the pure bend coming through the tube. 01:19:34.590 --> 01:19:36.989 It'll pick up a little bit of the bend. 01:19:38.590 --> 01:19:47.390 But it's the way you do your mouth and the the vowel or constant sound that you can make it go, you know, you can make it sound like a wah wah. 01:19:47.630 --> 01:19:48.109 Yeah, okay. 01:19:48.349 --> 01:19:54.189 Or you can make

it bend, you know, however, and you learn how to do it, you know. 01:19:54.269 --> 01:19:58.989 You can do deep, very low sounds, or you can do higher sounds. 01:19:59.229 --> 01:20:03.550 And uh it's it's I mean, whoever thought of that, I I don't know. 01:20:03.789 --> 01:20:04.989 Yeah, where does that come from? 01:20:05.149 --> 01:20:07.869 What what knucklehead discovered that, right? 01:20:08.029 --> 01:20:08.829 That's pretty impressive. 01:20:09.229 --> 01:20:11.069 Walsh is the first one in my mind. 01:20:11.229 --> 01:20:11.550 Yeah. 01:20:11.789 --> 01:20:13.229 And then Frampton. 01:20:13.550 --> 01:20:14.349 Frampton, yeah. 01:20:14.510 --> 01:20:15.710 Very yeah. 01:20:16.109 --> 01:20:18.750 Uh and I know you guys use it on. 01:20:20.510 --> 01:20:24.189 I know you guys use it on Frampton song and Rocky Mountain Way. 01:20:24.510 --> 01:20:25.069 Rocky Mountain Way. 01:20:25.229 --> 01:20:26.670 Is there any other ones that you use it on? 01:20:26.750 --> 01:20:27.149 I don't know. 01:20:27.390 --> 01:20:31.470 We used to do Show Me the Waypton Bowen, which might be coming back. 01:20:31.550 --> 01:20:34.189 Uh what we could uh mostly those two. 01:20:34.670 --> 01:20:34.829 Yeah. 01:20:35.149 --> 01:20:39.309 And uh you know, it's it's it's a lot of fun. 01:20:39.390 --> 01:20:42.029 It brings back people's memories to that area. 01:20:42.349 --> 01:20:46.189 Because I get people constantly coming upstage going, hey man, what are you? 01:20:46.349 --> 01:20:47.550 That's a talk box. 01:20:47.789 --> 01:20:47.949 Right. 01:20:48.189 --> 01:20:49.710 Or what do you call that? 01:20:49.869 --> 01:20:50.269 You know. 01:20:50.670 --> 01:20:56.670 And that's what I'm talking about earlier, the intricate pieces of music that has to be there. 01:20:56.989 --> 01:21:00.109 And if you don't have it there, it's noticeable. 01:21:00.510 --> 01:21:09.149 And the talk box and the two songs that you mentioned, like you could play those, both of those songs without the talk box, and everybody would enjoy it. 01:21:09.309 --> 01:21:20.750 But if you took the talk box out of Rocky Mountain Way and Frampton tunes, yeah, the first thing that everybody would say, Where's the you know what I'm saying? 01:21:20.909 --> 01:21:23.869 Yes, it's it's intricate, it's missing, it's not there, right? 01:21:24.109 --> 01:21:26.189 It's part of the song, it's part of that creation. 01:21:26.430 --> 01:21:26.989 Exactly. 01:21:27.229 --> 01:21:30.029 Uh can you think of any other songs? 01:21:30.109 --> 01:21:32.430 Like, do any other songs come to mind for you? 01:21:32.590 --> 01:21:39.630 Not necessarily that you guys played, but that featured the talk box that that that um you might remember. 01:21:39.869 --> 01:21:43.949 Um this is kind of the music trivia part of the the interview here. 01:21:44.349 --> 01:21:44.510 Yeah. 01:21:44.829 --> 01:21:55.869 Um can't think of the name of the song, but on Jeff Beck's blow blah blow album, there's a song, it's a Beatles song that he does. 01:21:56.189 --> 01:21:58.189 I can't think of the name of that one. 01:21:58.750 --> 01:22:01.390 Um there's a couple of Steely Dan songs. 01:22:01.470 --> 01:22:01.630 Yep. 01:22:01.869 --> 01:22:05.949 I think Haitian Divor Haitian Divor Haitian Divorce might be. 01:22:06.590 --> 01:22:08.189 Yeah, I think I think you're right. 01:22:08.349 --> 01:22:14.989 Boogie on Reggae Woman by Stevie Wonder, I think it was featured in that song, Living on a Prayer by Bon Jovi. 01:22:15.229 --> 01:22:18.590 It was big in that one, and Oh, Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith. 01:22:18.829 --> 01:22:19.390 Oh, there you go. 01:22:19.470 --> 01:22:19.710 Yeah, yeah. 01:22:19.949 --> 01:22:24.349 Yeah, those are ones that come to my mind for sure. 01:22:24.829 --> 01:22:25.390 Yeah. 01:22:25.550 --> 01:22:37.630 So where can um where can the listeners of Backstage Pass radio find you on social media? 01:22:37.789 --> 01:22:41.149 You're are you much of a social media guy at all, or not really? 01:22:41.550 --> 01:22:44.590 Uh Facebook, I'm I'm pretty much on there all the time. 01:22:44.829 --> 01:22:44.989 Okay. 01:22:45.229 --> 01:22:46.590 Yeah, so that's the best way. 01:22:46.670 --> 01:22:50.269 Uh and uh Rob Jacobs. 01:22:50.590 --> 01:22:51.309 Yeah, okay. 01:22:51.630 --> 01:22:53.069 And uh look me up. 01:22:53.149 --> 01:23:00.750 I keep all our relevant stuff on there and shows and and uh that's pretty much mainly what I do. 01:23:01.390 --> 01:23:04.189 Nothing on Instagram for you, you're not an Instagram guy? 01:23:04.510 --> 01:23:06.349 I haven't really dove in too much. 01:23:07.390 --> 01:23:10.670 Seems like a lot of musicians are on Instagram these days. 01:23:10.909 --> 01:23:19.309 Um I do primarily Facebook and Instagram for both, probably more so for podcast. 01:23:20.029 --> 01:23:27.470 I do very little Instagram for my my music stuff, but heavily for the Backstage Pass radio. 01:23:27.550 --> 01:23:39.390 So I was just curious like if you were on any of the other ones besides Facebook, because I always like to point the listeners out to to follow so they know you know things about you and the shows and all of that, of course. 01:23:39.789 --> 01:23:40.510 Absolutely, it's great. 01:23:40.590 --> 01:23:47.550 It's a great way to network and uh and you know, I always I wouldn't be on Facebook if it probably if it wasn't for the music. 01:23:47.869 --> 01:23:49.149 Oh one 100%. 01:23:49.470 --> 01:23:55.390 I've said this at nauseum in interviews that social media is a necessary evil for what you and I do. 01:23:55.630 --> 01:23:56.109 Yes. 01:23:56.430 --> 01:24:02.909 And if it wasn't for that, I would have got off all of that shit. 01:24:03.149 --> 01:24:11.229 Like it, it's a it's a love-hate thing for me every day because I see people bitching and this, and I'm like, oh my. 01:24:11.630 --> 01:24:14.430 I mean, it just incites me sometimes, you know what I mean? 01:24:14.590 --> 01:24:16.909 I just have to step

away from it. 01:24:17.309 --> 01:24:21.550 But you have to post to be relevant, right? 01:24:21.630 --> 01:24:33.390 And so many musicians are out there just you know, I see female artists that are posting 20, 30 personal pictures a day getting made up and this and that. 01:24:33.470 --> 01:24:36.590 And I'm like, why are you like I thought you guys were musicians? 01:24:36.829 --> 01:24:43.630 It's like you're more like a model, like you're posting on, but it's it's about relevancy at the end of the day. 01:24:43.789 --> 01:24:48.670 That's what the music business has come to, and it's just changed. 01:24:48.750 --> 01:24:56.349 I had Tony Carey on my show, was the keyboard player for Rainbow, and had a lot of success as a solo artist. 01:24:56.590 --> 01:25:02.909 But you know, I said, Tony, man, you're you know, you were you were tied in with Touring the World. 01:25:02.989 --> 01:25:04.670 Like, how has the music business changed? 01:25:04.750 --> 01:25:08.829 And he said, musicians are t-shirt salesmen these days. 01:25:08.909 --> 01:25:09.949 That's how they make their money. 01:25:10.029 --> 01:25:15.470 It's not like back in the day where we sold three million records and we got royalties from that. 01:25:16.430 --> 01:25:20.269 These bands are out pimping merchandise, right? 01:25:20.430 --> 01:25:24.269 And and playing for tips and a little bit of pay from these different players. 01:25:24.510 --> 01:25:25.390 It's just changed. 01:25:25.470 --> 01:25:28.349 Like it's not the same as it was in the 70s and 80s or something. 01:25:28.510 --> 01:25:29.550 Oh no, you're absolutely right. 01:25:30.029 --> 01:25:30.829 Big contracts. 01:25:30.909 --> 01:25:32.909 Now everybody's just an indie artist, right? 01:25:32.989 --> 01:25:33.470 At the end of the day. 01:25:33.789 --> 01:25:33.949 Exactly. 01:25:34.029 --> 01:25:36.670 I can't imagine trying to make it like these days. 01:25:36.750 --> 01:25:37.550 It would be so hard. 01:25:38.029 --> 01:25:43.949 I said the same thing when I thought about talking to you today was I think Rob and I did it the right way. 01:25:44.189 --> 01:25:51.630 I think, you know, we had the stress of corporate America for sure, for a living, which took all the pressure off the music piece, right? 01:25:51.710 --> 01:25:53.710 You didn't have to worry about am I gigging today? 01:25:53.869 --> 01:25:55.069 Am I not gonna get any gig? 01:25:55.470 --> 01:25:57.229 Like all of the things, right? 01:25:57.309 --> 01:26:01.069 It was so it took that stress component of the business away. 01:26:01.229 --> 01:26:05.470 But I I can't say that I would want to be in the music business, to be honest with you. 01:26:06.510 --> 01:26:08.269 I think it's definitely a young man's game. 01:26:08.430 --> 01:26:10.029 Do it when you're young, too, you know. 01:26:10.349 --> 01:26:20.829 Yeah, because it's it's it's but nowadays, I mean, it's it seems more to be about the singer than the band, right? 01:26:21.149 --> 01:26:22.349

Yeah, no, I I agree. 01:26:22.430 --> 01:26:25.309 Um, a lot of solo stuff going on now for sure. 01:26:25.550 --> 01:26:34.750 Where can the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio find information and schedule information um for AMFM? 01:26:34.829 --> 01:26:37.630 I'm assuming you guys have a social media presence, right? 01:26:37.869 --> 01:26:39.869 Yes, we do, and we're on Facebook also. 01:26:40.029 --> 01:26:47.390 That's that's primarily where we do post uh on the AMFM site on Facebook and uh also spacecitybands.com. 01:26:47.550 --> 01:26:47.869 Okay. 01:26:48.189 --> 01:27:06.029 And we share that site with a couple of their bands, but it's an easy site to we get all our current calendar on there, and we just uh in fact we just got some new dates for 2027, about 10 dates, so we're gonna put those on and just starting to book into next year and that's the way that's the way to do it. 01:27:06.109 --> 01:27:12.989 I I'm very much uh Chris and I have been fortunate enough to book a year in advance, right? 01:27:13.069 --> 01:27:17.710 We book for the whole year, and then we just it's called I call it set it and forget it, right? 01:27:17.789 --> 01:27:25.149 Just set the calendar and then don't look back, and then if there's a a weekend where we're off that we want to play, we'll reach reach out to people. 01:27:25.309 --> 01:27:27.069 Hey, you need a pop-up or whatever. 01:27:27.309 --> 01:27:34.109 But you know, with the podcast for me, I've windled the shows like all the ones that we were playing outdoors in the summer. 01:27:34.349 --> 01:27:40.349 I cut all those because number one, I hate the heat, and I had to give myself some more time back for the podcast. 01:27:40.510 --> 01:27:42.430 So that was a real easy one for me to do. 01:27:42.590 --> 01:27:50.510 And that's what I mean by not having to play music for a living, that I can be picky and choosy about where and when I play shows. 01:27:50.989 --> 01:27:51.789 Exactly right. 01:27:52.029 --> 01:27:52.670 Exactly right. 01:27:52.829 --> 01:27:59.630 Yeah, it makes you enjoy the music so much more, and you don't feel that pressure and wonder if you're gonna have enough to pay the rent. 01:28:00.189 --> 01:28:00.829 Absolutely. 01:28:00.909 --> 01:28:01.550 There's that. 01:28:01.710 --> 01:28:07.309 And just, you know, some of these days, it's Houston, Texas, it's so bloody hot outside, it's not even fun, right? 01:28:07.470 --> 01:28:10.430 You're already mad at the world before you even leave the house, right? 01:28:10.590 --> 01:28:19.470 Because, oh, you mean I gotta go play it three hours in the direct sunlight and it's 100% humidity, and uh it just makes for a rotten day. 01:28:19.630 --> 01:28:21.309 But you do it, you do it, right? 01:28:21.550 --> 01:28:25.069 We all do it, but if I have a choice, I'm not gonna do it. 01:28:25.390 --> 01:28:39.949 Yeah, we try, you know, and we always try not to, you know, we try to stay away from out too many outdoor shows in the middle summer, but sometimes it happens, but you know, you get take three shirts and drink all your Gatorade you can. 01:28:40.189 --> 01:28:41.309 That's exactly it. 01:28:41.550 --> 01:28:42.909 And gut through it. 01:28:43.390 --> 01:28:46.989 It kind of makes you wonder, it's like, why didn't I live somewhere else? 01:28:47.149 --> 01:28:48.909 Like where the climate is more fair. 01:28:49.149 --> 01:28:51.149 And the older I get, the more I think about that. 01:28:51.229 --> 01:28:52.670 It's like, where can I go? 01:28:52.989 --> 01:28:56.909 San Francisco, Colorado, that has a fairer climate, right? 01:28:56.989 --> 01:28:59.470 Where it's not so bloody hot outside. 01:28:59.710 --> 01:29:02.989 But I'm still here and I'm probably not not going anywhere. 01:29:03.149 --> 01:29:05.550 Well, you heard Terry pre-hitting the record button. 01:29:05.630 --> 01:29:07.869 We're not going anywhere with grandkids around, right? 01:29:08.430 --> 01:29:09.470 That's not even an option. 01:29:09.550 --> 01:29:12.829 And if I if we do go somewhere, it's gonna be me going by myself, right? 01:29:13.069 --> 01:29:13.390 Right, right. 01:29:13.789 --> 01:29:14.829 She made that very clear. 01:29:15.069 --> 01:29:16.029 Yeah, yeah. 01:29:16.510 --> 01:29:17.710 I I know that it is. 01:29:18.029 --> 01:29:18.590 Yep. 01:29:18.829 --> 01:29:20.829 Well, um, hello Lisa. 01:29:21.069 --> 01:29:24.109 Um, I was hoping that she would come out with you today. 01:29:24.189 --> 01:29:25.229 I texted her yesterday. 01:29:25.309 --> 01:29:27.869 She's like, no, he's he's probably gonna come by himself. 01:29:27.949 --> 01:29:31.869 So just wanted to be welcome, but I guess Yeah, absolutely. 01:29:31.949 --> 01:29:32.590 It's it's cool. 01:29:32.670 --> 01:29:36.989 I mean, I've had some artists that have come in here with their um spouses. 01:29:37.309 --> 01:29:40.349 Uh Shake Russell uh brought brought his wife D. 01:29:40.750 --> 01:29:52.909 And um this was still back when I was doing the interviews at the kitchen table, like we had a bigger space, and then I've got cool five or six videos of Shake playing in the living room, the living room there. 01:29:53.069 --> 01:29:57.550 But then I built this studio out, and so we just kind of do everything in here now. 01:29:57.710 --> 01:30:00.189 But um yeah, shout out to Lisa. 01:30:00.349 --> 01:30:05.710 But yeah, Rob, it's uh it's you know, it's been a treat getting to know more about you. 01:30:05.789 --> 01:30:11.710 You know, we've always been friendly with one another at shows and always giving the hug, you know, good show. 01:30:11.789 --> 01:30:14.349 But that's really the extent of our conversations. 01:30:14.430 --> 01:30:18.349 But it's nice to sit down and get to know you uh a little bit better. 01:30:18.510 --> 01:30:26.989 And uh thanks for thanks for coming into the Crystal Vision studio here and sharing your story with the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio. 01:30:27.309 --> 01:30:31.149 I'm glad to do it, and it's it's been fun and it's good to get to know you better. 01:30:31.710 --> 01:30:32.109 Right on. 01:30:32.269 --> 01:30:32.510 Yeah. 01:30:32.750 --> 01:30:33.309 Right on. 01:30:33.390 --> 01:30:43.149 Well, listen, you guys make sure to bookmark um spacecitybands.com and get out there and support Rob and the boys from AMFM. 01:30:43.390 --> 01:30:46.989 And uh, we'll be looking forward to those projects that you have coming up. 01:30:47.149 --> 01:30:51.309 Um, the Elton John stuff and the Billy Joel stuff. 01:30:51.390 --> 01:30:52.829 That'll that'll be cool. 01:30:53.069 --> 01:31:07.309 But um I also ask the listeners to like, share, and subscribe to the podcast on Facebook at Backstage Pass Radio Podcast, on Instagram at BackstagePass Radio, and on the website at BackstagePassradio.com. 01:31:07.470 --> 01:31:14.189 You guys remember to take care of yourselves and each other, and we'll see you right back here on the next episode of Backstage Pass Radio. 01:31:14.510 --> 01:31:18.029 Thank you for tuning into this episode of Backstage Pass Radio. 01:31:18.189 --> 01:31:19.470 Backstage Pass Radio. 01:31:19.630 --> 01:31:24.189 We hope you enjoyed this episode and gained some new insights into the world of music. 01:31:24.349 --> 01:31:30.189 Backstage Pass Radio is heard in over 80 countries, and the streams continue to grow each week. 01:31:30.430 --> 01:31:37.069 If you love what you heard, don't forget to subscribe, rate, and leave reviews on your favorite podcast platform. 01:31:37.309 --> 01:31:42.109 Your feedback means the world to us and helps us bring you even more amazing content. 01:31:42.349 --> 01:31:48.590 So join us next time for another deep dive into the stories and sounds that shape our musical landscape. 01:31:48.829 --> 01:31:54.269 Until then, keep listening, keep exploring, and keep the passion of music alive.