บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ The Lesser Evil Lost — Now What for Catholics?

00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.120 Stephen, this is your first time on Avoiding Babylon, right? 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:20.159 Yeah, thanks for having me. 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:20.639 Appreciate it. 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:22.240 I know we've had some shows last year, Anthony. 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.280 I think there was a couple collaborations on, I think it was Cox News at that point. 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.400 So they were pretty late night uh ecumenical, if you will. 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:29.439 It was pretty fun. 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:34.800 This is interesting, man, because uh some I think those days are over, though. 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:36.960 Uh well that's I was just going to say. 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:43.199 So, like I I had done an episode with Mario, Mario, Mario and Kevin Davis. 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:44.800 Thank you for saying it right. 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.360 Mario and Kevin Davis a while back. 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.000 Now, I actually really enjoyed the episode with them. 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:52.240 I had a really good time talking with them. 00:03:52.400 --> 00:04:12.080 Uh, I think the audience for the most part received it well, but when I didn't fall in line with every one of their conclusions, it suddenly turned to every comment that I would tweet, like every time I would tweet, it would just be like an ambush of I'm a diabolical heretic, I'm in the Novosoto sect and all this stuff. 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:21.279 So it it's almost like this thing where you just you can't even have normal conversations and like agree to disagree on some things, but see where you guys meet on some things. 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:28.160 So yeah, but sometimes you are baiting people pretty hard with some of those uh oh, he never does that. 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:34.480 Well, once once like once the line is crossed for me, I'm just going to go a lot. 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:36.000 So I did do a lot of training. 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.240 Oh, you mean like yesterday with Fred? 00:04:38.639 --> 00:05:06.480 Fred too, but I we'll we'll get into all that, but um, yeah, it was just like uh, but to to watch how guys and uh who for the most part like are are Seneva contests, uh uh like it's kind of like this organ organized group of them who seem like they're so based on doctrine and all this stuff, how bad their political takes are and how hard they are just falling for Americanism. 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:10.800 And it's been like the past couple of months where my eyes have been opened on this issue. 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:18.959 And it's nice to have some other people who are willing to, even though we disagree maybe on papacy issues, we're able to talk about this stuff because I think this stuff is just as important. 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:37.040 Yeah, I mean, I've personally just been pretty shocked by the reaction, especially to myself, because you know, I my under impression had always been uh, especially someone who knew Bishop

Williamson personally and know a lot of clergy who were formed by him, like counter-revolution, anti-liberalism, anti-modernity in a broad sense. 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:48.720 I had always imagined that that spilt over and was also um understood by broadly speaking, a lot of the people who are now speaking out and condemning like us for taking that position. 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:58.240 And uh it's been a real eye-opener for sure, because it does show you, I think, who sees the principles of liberalism, who can apply it, and what are the ideas of the revolution, where have they seeped in? 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:06.319 I think a lot of Catholics, especially in the United States, who are uh Trads, just still are like Americanists and Fox News Republicans at heart. 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:07.839 It's just really shocking to see. 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.480 Fox News Republicans is a good way to describe it. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.680 Uh, watching them turn on you guys has been super interesting. 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:22.079 Like it's it's a little bit disheartening, but it's it's not surprising because I think a lot of it actually is generational. 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:26.879 There is a real faction that is still captured by the post-war consensus. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:36.800 And then on these political issues, conspicuously, they're everything pre-Vatican II from before the council, they want nothing to do with anything after the council. 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:48.959 But you look at questions like race, women, feminism, the Jewish question, then conspicuously they're looking at things after the council, and they're very much influenced by them, whether they know it or not. 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:54.160 And if they mean well, that's that's one thing, but they are some of our most bitter enemies. 00:06:54.399 --> 00:07:06.160 And but I will say that you know, some of these types that it's it is largely generational, and that's not to excuse it, but it's to contextualize it and to see where they're coming from. 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:16.480 But it is a real problem because they can see ecclesiastical modernism, but then when it's applied to the political, the legal, the moral spheres, they're captured by it. 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.680 And they they're still stuck in this Republicans versus Democrats. 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.519 I mean, they're calling me racists, is like as if that bothers me in any way. 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:34.000 Like if it's 2026, so this is this is a badge of honor at this point, and so and they still think they have these these words that they have purchased over our generation. 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:42.480 And there's a lot of people, everyone in your audience, they're not going to share my conclusion on the the crisis in the church, but they understand where I'm coming from politically. 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.040 And your audience, I have to give you guys a lot of credit. 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:59.680 You guys have been right about this, and you saw maybe not early on, but you saw Trump and the deception that he was perpetuating, and really that is almost a greater evil because it has the appearance of being with us as Catholics. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:17.439 Yeah, Stephen, you made a really good point about um uh how they have a double standard when it comes to the church and how they they'll accept no compromise on things in the papacy, like especially the the wait and see approach, right? 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:28.160 The wait and see approach that they lambasted over trad inc with the Leo situation, and then they want you to do that very thing with Trump, like wait and see with Trump. 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.839 Yeah, this is exactly why integrity was founded. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:40.399 And I think really the what really broke the the spell for me was the SSPX consecrations, but they kind of broke Trad Inc., right? 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:51.600 That was sort of like the the thing that did um divorced everybody, and then now the midterms are further breaking everybody to see whether they can understand the crisis in the ecclesial in sorry in the civil sphere as well. 00:08:51.840 --> 00:09:09.840 And you know, if you're going to be out here denouncing Trad Inc., you know, all the battles we had last year, the house Trads, but then not say the same thing about the controlled opposition in the Republican Party, and then also think like Trump is, you know, we're just in Trump we trust, it's it's an inconsistency in thought. 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:16.639 And that's to Alex's point where they're able to identify, it seems to me, liberalism, modernism, and the ecclesial sphere. 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.000 But then you can't, they're not applying it to the political sphere. 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:21.200 Because if, as Dr. 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:34.000 Krasansky rightly said in his Catholic identity conference speech, these are usurpers in uh the church, broadly speaking, then what are these guys in the Republican Party and in the state if usurpers are presenting the rise of the kingdom of Christ as well? 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:41.519 So, you know, integrity means to be integral, to be integrally Catholic, it means consistency and thought and practice in the church and the state. 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.600 And that's what we're doing, is that we're applying both those principles to the same scenarios. 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.080 And oddly it seems others aren't able to do that. 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:49.360 It's kind of crazy. 00:09:49.440 --> 00:10:00.639 They they understand the big issue of religious liberty was a doctrinal issue, but it's almost like they just want to make sure, oh, as long as the church says it, but they don't actually want to apply it to like they don't want to, yeah. 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.600 They don't want to apply what that like what the conclusions of that belief are. 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:23.120 Like if

there if religious liberty really is something that can only be tolerated but not lifted up as a good what like this whole this whole lesser of two evils thing, I think has been the most diabolical seed that has finally come to fruition over time. 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:30.879 And for my entire life, I've always voted for the lesser of two evils because they've never actually had a good candidate, right? 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:37.919 And we're coming up now where I almost don't see that it's a lesser evil on on the other side, right? 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:38.799 So yeah, okay. 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:43.120 The lesser evil, it's a more hidden and insidious evil, but not lesser. 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.519 It's it's normalizing what is evil to actually be acceptable and normal. 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:48.320 Yeah, exactly. 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:58.399 Think about Catholics, they would have opposed the Iran war vocally and publicly, energetically, if Donald Trump was not the one prosecuting this unjust war. 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:09.759 Yes, if Donald Trump didn't come out and say that he supports the same thing with JD Vance, that they support access to Mipha Pristone, which is the number one cause of abortion, the murder of the unborn in our country. 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.080 Both of them said they support that access. 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.759 They have normalized all of this immorality within the Republican Party. 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:22.000 And if it was coming from the Democrats, people would see it openly, they would denounce it, they would work against it very energetically. 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:28.399 It's actually this Trojan horse, this false opposition, which I identify actually as conservatism. 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:30.720 American conservatism is the problem. 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:32.639 And so that's what we're trying to do differently. 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:34.320 I think you guys understand this too. 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:44.720 It has to be counter-revolutionary, opposed to all of these errors in our founding system, the indifferentism, the religious freedom, that is the lifeblood of our political project. 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:46.799 It's that naturalistic spirit. 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.399 And we want to work for the union of the church and the state. 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.480 And you'll never hear Republicans say that. 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:53.279 Never. 00:11:53.840 --> 00:12:02.480 Um, it's it's it's very much the topics we've talked about on this show are how Lila Rose is more dangerous than the Call Her Daddy show, right? 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:08.480 Like the Call Her Daddy show is a liberal podcast, and you know you're going to hear smut when you go and listen to that. 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:26.559 Lila Rose is going to put the facade of the pro-life movement on what she does, and she's still bringing feminism into a sphere where these are people who have goodwill, these are people who are Catholic, and it's slipping under the radar because of the cloak of the pro-life movement. 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:32.240 So the same thing's happening with Trump and the MAGA movement, all of that stuff. 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:36.960 So it's it's this huge blind spot that so many Trads have. 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:44.799 It goes from even on the trading side with guys like Michael Matt, and what I've seen in the past few months is how deep it goes into. 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.879 I mean, dude, the freaking Diamond Brothers are neocon cups. 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:50.480 Like, I cannot believe that. 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:51.759 The Diamond Brothers. 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:56.559 It is shocking. 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:09.039 I actually would like to have the mind of talk about their theology, but it just shows to me, and especially the treatment we've been getting, is how it seems to me uh politics, race issues, and things like that are even primary over theology. 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:15.840 Because over the last year, we all we did was try to break down that barrier, uh having those conversations about you know the vacancy of the Seat of St. 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:16.399 Peter, right? 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:17.919 I think we did a great job at that. 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:21.679 But you look at the reaction now, none of that matters anymore. 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:27.200 You know, we're getting viciously attacked, and it doesn't matter that we helped uh broaden the conversation over the last year. 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:32.240 Politics, race, that stuff seems to me to be primary for most of these people. 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:34.000 And that's sort of odd, I think. 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.960 But it's it's natural in a way, but it's just interesting. 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:42.399 The way um man, the way this whole conversation has been playing out is just kind of bonkers to me. 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:55.759 We just we're we're watching uh in in real time, like the this the the group that we're talking about, which really I don't I don't know if there's like an official sede position, like I don't know what the CMRI holds on this stuff. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:02.080 All I've seen are the are the people who are on Twitter and who have like content creator personalities, right? 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:08.879 So I can only go by what I see in that sphere, and what I'm seeing is huge a huge problem with feminism. 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:14.080 Like these guys are white knights, they have a huge you know, women problem. 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:19.759 They they're pro-life is they they see what is it? 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.480 The pro-lifism, I'm sure you've seen that. 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:28.720 Uh especially with politics when it comes to politics, like oh you oh you have to you so yeah, all right. 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:36.080 So we can talk about that too, because the idea that um the the Republican Party is the lesser of two evils, right?

00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:43.919 Uh like we know the the liberals and the left, yeah, they they want abortion, they also want to trans your kids. 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:50.159 They also like the LGBT stuff is diabolical on a level that most people, you know. 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:55.360 But the other side is the Republicans are just as bad on abortion, they need that issue. 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:56.960 It's it's the same thing with Lila Rose. 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:00.080 Lila Rose needs abortion to stay an issue for her to stay in business. 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:04.159 If if if you get rid of abortion, that gets rid of her business, you know? 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:11.279 So in some weird, twisted way, these these pro-lifers need abortion to exist in order for themselves to exist. 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:18.639 So so the the Republicans still support abortion just in a more insidious way, especially with the IBF support and all that stuff. 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:25.600 But they were just as on board, if if not more on board, with the destruction of our country through immigration. 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:30.720 They're just on just as on board with the idea that we live in a multicultural democracy. 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.360 They tried to put Vivek up as a candidate for us. 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.879 They put this uh Harmeet Dylan up singing to Waha Guru. 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:47.360 Who who called she called Waha Guru God, one true God at a conservative that was at the the National Republican convention, correct? 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:48.960 And she got applause. 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.679 Like to get Christians, Christians to applaud white. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:01.200 Let's be real, it's white people, it's white people that are the ones that it's our fault in that sense that we're not speaking out against this. 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:05.919 And you look at something like abortion, you look at something like contraception. 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.799 Which Republican is opposed to contraception? 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:14.399 You don't even need divine revelation to know that that is immoral, it's opposed to just the natural law. 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:21.919 So you can reason unaided by grace, you can understand that that is something that is deeply immoral, it's this unnatural vice. 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.360 And so no Republican is opposed to that. 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.120 They have legitimized all of that. 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:32.320 The IVF issue, like you mentioned, abortion, obviously, a very grave evil. 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.159 These children, they're innocent and they're being slaughtered. 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:41.279 But I don't really like the term pro-life, and I have to give credit to Tim Gordon for this. 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:54.080 A couple years ago, I he remember he was doing shows on this years ago, and he was talking about how there is really this whole cottage industry around the pro-life movement, and pro-lifeism is the problem. 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.080 It's not sufficient to be pro-life. 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.639 You need to be anti-abortion, and that means criminalizing it and seeing it as murder. 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:05.279 And then any party that is involved with that, they have to be prosecuted, including mothers. 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.720 And tell me what Republican is going to come out and say that today. 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.240 Why is there this special exception for the murder of the unborn? 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.359 But we look at the murder of it should be it should be the highest crime. 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:16.319 Correct, correct. 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:19.519 And the state has a role in criminalizing that. 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.519 So that to me, you need to be anti-abortion. 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:31.279 And what it means to be anti-abortion is to criminalize it and include all the guilty parties, the woman and a the father, the he can, if they consent, they also have to be uh prosecuted. 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:36.960 Remember when Nick Fuentes put out that video and everybody dunked on, everybody from the pro-life movement, etc. 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:37.359 Oh, yeah. 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.039 And he but he clarified it was actually about women's liberation, that's the root of the cause. 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.039 And it's all these feminists in the movement that don't want to actually acknowledge what's really going on here. 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.440 So I thought that was a pretty clarified moment, too, for a lot of them. 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:53.279 You know what else Gordon pointed out, which was like when he said it, I was like, Holy cow, this really is a problem. 00:17:53.440 --> 00:18:00.000 Almost every woman leading the pro-life movement has like a real record of killing their own children. 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.079 Like Abby Johnson had multiple abortions, and now she's the one and assisted to killing thousands more. 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:09.119 Yeah, and it's it's they think it's a strategic move, though. 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.200 They think that's like a winning move to reach young women. 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:21.359 But the original pro-life movement, like in the 70s and 80s, uh, with a lot of it was mostly men, actually, and they were leading the fight, and that was actually more effective back then because that's you know how it's supposed to be in those situations. 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.240 And and actually sorry, go ahead, Anthony. 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:24.400 Go ahead. 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:25.440 No, no, no, go ahead. 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:35.839 Oh, so I was doing some research and I was looking in Father Maximilian Colby's Night of the Immaculate newspaper in the 1930s in the archives, because I was looking at him on the on the Jewish question. 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:42.559 But in my research in that, I actually found a writer, a

Polish Catholic writer, that was writing in the late 1930s. 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:47.440 And the way in which he was speaking about abortion is almost exactly how we're talking about it today. 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:56.400 And the way he framed it is anti-abortion, and he saw it as this supreme moral evil that all Catholics were obliged to work for, its elimination. 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:03.039 And so the way in which he was speaking then and today, like it would be considered radioactive, it's not fit for polite company. 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:04.559 But this is being published in St. 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:13.279 Maximilian Colby's journal in the 1930s, one of his writers, just a layman, a Catholic layman, and that's really the rhetoric that we need. 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:15.359 And as men, we need to be the ones leading it. 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:16.960 Tim is exactly right about that. 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:17.839 Yeah. 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:28.400 Um, what do you think it is about the the Jewish question that scares especially like especially the trad world? 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:32.319 Like it's see, it seems like there's so few of us willing to discuss this topic. 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:40.240 I see some guys are like finally some of us are starting to talk about it, but for the most part, there's this reticence to even have this conversation. 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:49.920 Now, we we read uh that attorney potters' uh Instagram post on our show uh like two two or three weeks ago when you were on with us, right? 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:51.519 Yes, yeah. 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:58.960 So the Sophia Press story, which we read live on air, it got all of our reactions live to it. 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.200 Um Sophia did respond to Rob. 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.680 Do you want me to read uh the message from the You got the call, Anthony? 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:06.400 Yeah. 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:19.119 All right, so for anybody that that that doesn't know the backstory on this, we we go through this this uh book, The End of the Present World, and it has all the all the sections that were edited out, right? 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:27.759 And the sections that were edited out were all pertaining to the Jewish question, and how in the 19th century you have this priest, Father Amon John. 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:30.000 Yeah, that was published in 1881. 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:45.759 1881, and he's talking about how since the emancipation of the Jews, they've risen to positions of prominence in the government, in newspapers, in every facet of positions of control. 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:48.960 And this is this is 1880, right? 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:57.759 So for some reason, this topic has been completely edited out post-council, like in everything. 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:06.240 So even these traditional publications are they're printing these older books and they're editing out this really important topic. 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:25.440 And it's I

I watch a lot of the trads and they'll talk about all the stuff with the doctrine, they'll talk about all the stuff within the church, but they're missing this critical, critical topic from the conversation, which everything after the council has tried to solve. 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:38.400 I mean, when we talk about kosher Catholicism, when we talk about Matt Frad going over to the Daily Wire, when we talk about Trent Horn, a Jewish convert running Catholic answers, it's not about what they do say as much as it's what they don't say. 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:46.480 And this topic is such an important one that it baffles me that I mean they're they're they're calling me an anti Semite. 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:52.079 Like someone like Chris Jackson is calling me Hitler and an anti Semite because I want to discuss this topic. 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:53.920 I have a couple of thoughts on that. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:59.440 Uh but firstly, I mean, Sophia did get back to to us and and they did say, Rob, didn't they say they're open to uh publishing? 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:00.079 Yeah. 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:07.839 Yeah, so this is um uh their director Publicity Sarah passed the message directly from their president Charlie. 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.160 Um so this is directly from their president. 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:14.880 He says, I was not aware of any edits or abridgements made to the end of the present world. 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:20.160 The book was published 20 years ago under my predecessor in an altogether different editorial team. 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:28.400 Sophia Press has a bold record of Catholic publishing under my tenure, and we are exploring the viability of publishing a non-abridged version of the book. 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:37.359 Now, listen, if if Sophia does print an uh an unabridged version of that book, we'll have him on and we'll love to talk with him. 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.200 Like, I like everyone's gonna buy it. 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:39.680 I'll buy it. 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:41.200 I want to meet too, right? 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.480 It's a great opportunity, it's a great opportunity for them to sell some books. 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:46.960 We'll have and we'll interview them, we will help them sell it. 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:52.559 And they it was done under previous leadership, so we're not trashing the current president of Sophia. 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.079 We like they are very good people. 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:58.799 This isn't us trying to dog them, and I do think it would be super important to get that book out. 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:10.319 No, and like Rob mentioned, and I don't have anything against him, and it was the previous editorial team and their leadership, but in that email, he did tacitly admit that the book was abridged. 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.160 So I did cover that in my reporting. 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.160 That's something that I think ought to be disclosed on the official listing. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:24.640 But if they were to change it and publish the full version that is uncensored, I would say, or not sanitized, that's what I would say personally. 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:33.279 I would be very willing to buy that and would look forward to it because the little flower, Saint Therese of Lesou, it was one of her favorite books, and that's how they have marketed it. 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.279 And the portions that I've read, it's it's wonderful, especially on the Jewish question. 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.960 It's very thought-provoking, and you can see all the parallels to today. 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:42.960 So that's why I love when you read it out on air. 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:43.440 It was great. 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.200 Yeah, it was shocking to all of us. 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:53.680 I want to actually try to answer your question there, Anthony, because I think there's there's a couple of factors at play here when it comes to the the Jewish question and nutritionalists. 00:23:53.839 --> 00:24:14.319 One is I think the way in which the world saw, especially Trad, saw Bishop Williamson treated after his comments in what, 2009, 10, 11-ish, and how that really it got the entire world's media apparatus, who of course we know who runs that, down on and zeroing in on and putting under a microscope traditional Catholicism, primarily SSPX. 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:23.039 And I think there's been a sort of uh fear that that might happen again and that there might be a number of repercussions for those groups potentially throughout the world. 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:28.480 I think it's like the the short answer, but the larger answer is I think just go back to Vatican II. 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.000 And we had a guy, a young guy on, Jacob Linyard. 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.640 He wrote about this Father Felix Morlian. 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:47.039 He was like a fixer who was working for the US deep state, basically, and he helped get the Jewish American lobby audiences with uh Vatican leaders, especially Cardinal Beya and John Paul, John the 23rd, excuse me. 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.039 And they were basically the ones who helped write Nostra Eietate, right? 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:56.960 And Nostra Eietate is so ambiguous that it doesn't for Denver defines uh anti-Semitism, right? 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:06.960 And so post-council, you have all these phylosemitic uh clergy as well as probably a lot of Jewish pressure groups on them to cave and say, oh, well, that's anti-Semitic, that's anti-Semitic. 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:16.799 And you have just this uh effluent flowing, and over the past 40 years, like the conciliary church literally says, you know, you can't even teach or have a mission to the Jewish people. 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:22.000 That was like not even um 15 years ago, I think the Vatican said that under Cardinal Koch, I think. 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:31.759 So I think there's there's different

reasons for that, but I think that that just seeps down interiorly to Trads, especially, who just want to be not seen as conspiracy type people. 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.279 And I think that's a large reason as to why I think you're seeing that. 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.039 We can get into some conspiracies. 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.480 It's it's it was such an interesting one. 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:48.640 Um, because when you when you come into the Trad world, one of the things that like immediately brings you in is Fatima. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:59.119 And Rob and I have been talking about Fatima a little bit again, uh, especially like our lady saying that uh talking about the the annihilation of nations, right? 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.279 Entire nations will be annihilated. 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:07.599 And the way I've been seeing that, the way I historically would have viewed that is there's going to be wars and nations. 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:09.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:13.039 What I'm seeing now is through immigration, nations have been annihilated, right? 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.039 The French people are no longer the French people. 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:15.519 Yep. 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:29.279 But what also kind of struck me, I I've just been pondering Fatima a lot, and today this one came to me was how how what Fatima was was a Nineveh moment, right? 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:40.240 And our Lady asking the bishops to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart was like God asking Jonah to go and tell Nineveh to repent. 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.119 And Jonah's like, no, I'd rather die. 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.799 And he jumps in the water. 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:52.960 And he does that because he knows Nineveh will be used to chastise his people, it'll be used to chastise Israel. 00:26:53.200 --> 00:27:06.480 And I think the reason the bishops never consecrated Russia is because they knew Russia, like a consecration is to be set apart, and I think Russia was to be set apart to bring divine chastisement upon the church. 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.599 Like this whole thing I'm seeing brewing up in Europe right now. 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:17.680 I think Russia is going to bring divine chastisement upon Europe, just like Nineveh did to Israel in the Old Testament. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.200 I think it's a really good insight. 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.240 I do agree with you that um Russia's gonna play some role. 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:29.920 I think they're just they've been trying to provoke a Russian attack onto Europe for years, and Putin actually has been showing some restraint on a lot of these false flag attacks. 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:39.920 And I think um, to your point, the the destruction of nations, I mean, we just saw what happened in France, and the these are no longer, as as Rob said in the comments, France is no longer French. 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.279 So, you know, this is the issue. 00:27:41.440

--> 00:27:44.319 And I think that's that's that's the perfect analogy, I think. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:44.480 Yeah. 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:44.880 Yes. 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:59.200 And then the other thing, I think it makes a lot of sense because with the end of World War II and this ascendancy of Jewish people, especially in the United States, which then became the global hegemon, that's what a lot of people don't really appreciate. 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:07.039 Not only did we win World War II, but we did so in such a convincing manner that we basically subjected all of the world to our rule. 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:15.119 And there was this handoff that happened with the Anglo-elite, these Anglo-American elite, they're Protestants, wasps, they hand over all of their power to Jews. 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:28.799 And if you're a Jewish person, from your point of view, the last thing you want in America is racial consciousness, because then everyone's gonna say, well, we're white Americans or we're black Americans, or now today we have a lot of Hispanic Americans, and then they're the other. 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:38.480 So from that point of view, the last thing they want is a real, legitimate, healthy racial consciousness, and then also the religious consciousness because they don't want to be seen as the other. 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:40.880 They are forever going to be a minority. 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:48.160 And so this is something that Father Dennis Fahhe, I'm sure you guys are familiar with him, he was talking about in this is before the council, too. 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:55.119 He was talking about the Jewish world program, it is that of many different religions and one race. 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:04.240 So this indiscriminate mixing of peoples where racial intermarriage is made into the ideal, whereas traditional societies, that's something that's going to be exceptional. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.359 It's inverted. 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:10.799 And so you have all these different religions that are amalgamating together and then all the different peoples mixing together. 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.559 You have this one world dogmaless humanitarian religion. 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.720 And I definitely see that today. 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:24.640 And you had all these voices that were so prescient back then that unfortunately people are scared to speak out because of actually fear of the Jews. 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:30.079 And that's where I really credit Bishop Williamson because he is someone that shaped my thinking on that question. 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:35.440 When you listen to him and when he would lecture, you just saw the courage in the man and he paid for it dearly. 00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:40.640 But I think his his memory is going to age so well because of that, because of his tremendous courage. 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.440 He gave us the term Holocaustianity, right? 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:53.279 He gave us the term Holocaustianity, he and he explained it in a way where it's like now now the the multitude of Jews died for the sins of us all. 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.119 It's like even calling it the high holocaust is not diabolical, right? 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:01.680 That term is wicked, right? 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:11.359 It's because Jesus Christ was the final Holocaust offering, and to call the collective Jews, like instead of one Jew dying for all of us, now all the Jews died for our sins. 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.680 And Hitler really did replace the devil. 00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:22.799 I mean, in in the modern in the modern psyche, if you ask somebody who's the most evil person in a like give me the embodiment of people, we're all gonna use them. 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:38.480 Think of uh, I mean, we did a show on on kind of this subject a couple months ago, but think in every media patr portrayal of Lucifer in the last what 20 years, he's always just some misunderstood, you know, guy, basically, right? 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:44.640 Like it's it's crazy, but yet they will right they they try to rehabilitate every female villain, right? 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.119 They're trying to rehabilitate every single female villain. 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:52.960 So you got maleficent, you got this new new one coming out about the wicked stepsister of Cinderella's coming out. 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.200 They're trying to, you know, Lilith, right? 00:30:55.359 --> 00:31:00.960 Yeah, they call her Lilith, but you'll never see anybody try to rehabilitate it. 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.839 If anything, it's like, oh, suddenly now you can never rehabilitate. 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.599 He had small balls. 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.480 And think about the the the normalization of blasphemy in film. 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.759 You have America in the 20th century, it's broadly quote unquote a Christian country. 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:29.440 And the movies, if you watch them in the 1940s, 1930s, or maybe actually a little bit after that, 1950s, 1960s, they will casually say things that are blasphemous to our Lord Jesus Christ, to the Blessed Mother. 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:43.440 Obviously, you have this one group that is in control of that, and they're censoring this is where it's also very natural, they're censoring anything that is offensive to Jewish sensibilities, they're censoring anything that is anti-Semitic or even gives the appearance of anti-Semitism. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:50.160 Meanwhile, anything that is offensive to Christianity and Catholic dogma, that's that's perfectly fine because they're in control. 00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:55.519 And if we were in control of Hollywood, obviously we would be censoring anything that's offensive to our religion. 00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:04.000 So that's just where it really is at the end of the day, it is all religious, all conflict, as Cardinal Henry Edward Manning said, is theological. 00:32:04.400 -->

00:32:11.599 Well, there's a reason too why why uh uh World War II is like the most there are more movies made about that than any other movie. 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:17.039 And uh, I mean, Russell Crowe just put out a movie like a year or two ago or something on the Nuremberg trials or something. 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:30.319 This is just all cultural propaganda, and this is why everyone's reference point is World War II and everyone thinks about Hitler first, and it's why these Catholics, like uh Deacon Nick Connelly was just out here the other day, Israel has a right to exist because of the Holocaust. 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:37.839 You know, these people, it's that it and seeping into their their minds, even though they're Catholics, that's their reference point, that's their frame of reference. 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.640 Uh 1965, uh 1945, and then 1776. 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:47.759 Like for them, those are the three, like, you know, 65 was Vatican II, those are the three reference points. 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:48.960 And we have to get out of that thinking. 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:58.160 We can't the whole idea that of like Trads just using Vatican II is their only like they they don't want to look deeper at what the issue is. 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:04.400 And to me, you cannot understand the crisis of the church if you do not understand the Jewish question. 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.920 Like the Jewish question is it's Jewish infiltration into that council. 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:16.720 It's them getting us to change our liturgy, it's them getting us to change our documents, have a totally different stance towards them. 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:24.079 We have been taught our whole lives to not view Jews under any kind of suspicion whatsoever. 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:31.119 They're just they're just religious liberty, and we're in a multicultural democracy, and they're just one amongst the many different religions. 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:40.240 And they they they framed it in the way where Catholics and Protestants agreed to disagree to stop the violence there and just made it like the Jews are just one among many different religions. 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:48.319 And that's why they had to flood our country with all these other different religions, so that they could exactly what Alex was saying, they have to just you know, they just have to be one among several. 00:33:48.480 --> 00:34:02.559 But the problem is that Jews not only do they view us with suspicion, they view us with contempt, and they're plotting, like there's they're always plotting because they have this vengeance in them because of what happened in 70 AD. 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:09.679 Like that that that story stays in their lineage, they still remember that story. 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:30.639 We forget it, and we even in even in our apologetics and even in all of our Catholic history, we all kind of brush over that as if it wasn't the pivotal event of history, and that it's

not going like that this this story comes to a conclusion with a conflict between Jews and Christians. 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.079 That is how the story ends. 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.199 It ends with the Jews persecuting the church. 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.599 Patrick Delaney, who's a lifesight news journalist, put out a meme today. 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.280 And he said, if you're still thinking about Republicans and Democrats, you've missed the mark. 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:48.159 And I put out I retweeted that, I said, it's Antichrist versus Christ, Christ versus Antichrist, right? 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:56.559 And I that's the that's the thing is that the the Jewish influence, especially right now, you're seeing Ben Shapiro just today put out his uh analysis of the election. 00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:01.920 He said, um, he's trying to weasel his way out of the blame being put on the the war in Iran for this. 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.039 And so he's trying to cleanse his hands, just like Mark Levin is saying, too. 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.840 And they're trying to say, oh, well, you know, it wasn't really that issue. 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.280 When in fact it actually like was, and everyone's seeing that who sees it. 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.840 So yeah, I don't think it was just Trump on the ballot. 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.519 I think it was Zionism on the ballot. 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.320 I think it was Jewish, Jewish uh how how we handle this question. 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:28.559 I think everybody on both sides of the political aisle are done with having so so much Jewish influence over our politics. 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:29.920 I just want to address this real quick. 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.960 Somebody said I thought avoiding Babylon and Stephen Cox would never collab. 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.239 I don't know if like people Steven and I talk a lot. 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.719 Like Stephen and I have a lot of conversations. 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:45.280 I've tried to tell Stephen that uh be careful with these sedes, they're gonna turn on you, buddy. 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.960 While we're on the subject, I would like to publicly apologize to Steven. 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.440 I've definitely been unfair to him in the past, and uh I'm sorry for that, Stephen. 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:56.559 Oh, thank you. 00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:02.400 I don't I don't know if I remember that exactly, but you know, there's so much air uh friendly fire going on and bullets all over. 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:03.280 I don't know. 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:05.840 One of the reasons I like Steve is it's not sensitive. 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:10.400 And I I've noticed that there's so many people in the Catholic sphere that are just so sensitive. 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.400 And if you say one wrong thing, now all of a sudden they don't want to be friends with you or anything. 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:25.519 So um what I do want to get into is

look never Father James Martin's also in the chat. 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.920 He says, quote, I'd like to collab with Mr. 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:28.639 Cox. 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.920 No, he he wanted to bury the hatchet too. 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.440 On all seriousness, Rob, that that takes a that's a big thing to do. 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.119 I appreciate that, but uh yeah, he wants to bury the hatchet as well. 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:50.960 Um, so so the the what I do want to talk about is that I don't I don't want us to be naive about what happened here, right? 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:55.119 This was not I don't think any of us thought it would be this bad, right? 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:03.679 Like I don't think any of we were like super against the vape because he was the he was an Indian and we're like, surprise it's this bad. 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.360 I'm not surprised it's as bad as it is. 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:08.559 I'm not either. 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.599 I did not think it would be a bloodbath the way it was. 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.239 Like it is they have historic. 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:15.920 That's a lot of 240, whatever it is. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.239 That's like pretty generational amount. 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.199 They have total dominance over Congress. 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.960 Like they they they thought they they had a chance at not flipping, like the Republicans were like, we might keep the Senate. 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.440 No, you're not keeping the you lost it by like eight seats. 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.800 But the freaking did they get to 60 in the Senate or no? 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.320 64 or 54, I think. 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.000 55, maybe at the most. 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:37.679 Nick had a good term. 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:39.119 Nick had a good term. 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:47.599 He said it was an instinct extinction level event, and I think the the thrust of it actually was a repudiation of the Republican establishment. 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.159 And there were a number of issues that contributed to that. 00:37:50.320 --> 00:38:06.079 The war was one that was very salient, Zionism, or even the Jewish question, more explicitly, especially for the youth, just the way in which Trump has conducted himself over the course of the past two years and the brazen way in which he is almost mocking his own voters. 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:12.559 I mean, the people that supported him have supported him now for years, starting in 2015 when he's campaigning. 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.920 These people have been thrown under the bus at every single point. 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:21.920 I remember he flirted a couple months ago with the amnesty, and he said, Oh, they'll get over it. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.480 Like comments like that, you just see the brooding contempt that is subtly there but concealed somewhat. 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:36.480 Well, what's so interesting is Trump got elected in 16 because we were already sick of the Republican establishment and the Democrat establishment. 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.400 Like people are sick of the establishment. 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.960 So Trump gets in in 16 because of that. 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:51.119 Then the whole thing with debacle in 2020, they steal the election, and you get the Democrat establishment in for four years, and people repudiated that by re-electing Trump. 00:38:51.199 --> 00:39:02.559 And then Trump comes in and within six months of his first of his second term, just not only becomes the swamp, he becomes the worst swamp creature in the history of swamp creatures. 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:08.719 Like I've never seen a more Zionist-controlled administration in my entire life, right? 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.000 So so this whole thing happens and it is going to be bad. 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:28.159 Like what the the way the the first thought that came to my mind is during COVID the democratic uh institution that implements the restrictions on first of it, it's implemented under Trump. 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:29.760 We have to like admit that first. 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.920 He allowed all that to that to happen. 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:55.360 But then Biden comes in, and depending on where you lived, is pretty much how your life played out over the next two years. 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.239 So if you were in Florida, it wasn't too bad. 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.639 If you were in South Dakota, it wasn't too bad. 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:03.599 If you were in a blue state, you were in Minnesota. 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:05.119 Ohio was bad. 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.599 I know, Rob, you probably had it even worse there in Minnesota. 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:08.000 Yeah. 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.599 It's like depending on where you were, you had a bed. 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:24.960 And we saw this huge um you saw this huge migration of Americans to red states because of the the tyrannical nature of the COVID implementation, right? 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:35.679 So you see people flooding out of New York going down to Florida, you see people leaving California, going into Texas, you see people just getting out of these blue states because it was like living under the Gestapo. 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:44.400 And what worries me now is there's so few of those red havens for us to escape to if another crisis comes down the line. 00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.280 And in my opinion, another crisis is on the horizon. 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.760 Like they're they're gearing up for something, whether it's a cyber pandemic or whatever the hell it is. 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.639 I think they are talking about expect some sort of warfare. 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.280 I think it's actually might be punishment for kicking the the Democrat, the Republicans out, you know. 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:06.239 Like, you know, how dare you snub your war, snub yourselves and

uh snub your nose at us and you know kick Trump's support out. 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:15.920 Because now I don't think there's much support for Zionism, and although APAC got a bunch of candidates in, if you're gonna run for president in 2028, this is going to be one of the top-tier issues. 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.599 So should we support Israel and continue to how much to the effect that we're gonna do that? 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.199 So I think there's gonna be an interesting balance coming out here in the next few years. 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:33.199 Two things on that, because like Stephen was saying, with Trump now, he is an albatross increasingly around the neck of the Republican Party. 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:41.119 And you're starting to see these politicians beginning to distance themselves very cleverly, very subtly from him, and they're tacking a different line. 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.199 We can talk about Vance later. 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:48.079 But the other thing, 2020 was miserable and it was awful. 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:54.320 It's it's very difficult to even consider just the level of deception that was happening at that time. 00:41:54.400 --> 00:42:00.079 But I think the silver lining is actually this, and this is something that I've been thinking about the last couple of months. 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.239 It's really just a matter of will. 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:10.239 Look at the reorganization, the total restructuring of the American way of life and economy in those two years. 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:17.280 If you actually had a leader in this country and he wanted to do what was right, it's merely a matter of will. 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:22.320 You could do mass deportations, you would have to make sure the press is not going to get in your way. 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.159 Yes, you would have to militarize certain cities when these Democrat sanctuary cities they try and defy you. 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.280 Yeah, you have to bring in federal troops and enforce law and order. 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.159 But it really is, at the end of the day, just a matter of political will and imagination. 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:54.079 And actually, I don't like JD Vance at all, but he he is right that you can just do things, obviously within the bounds of the moral law, but we need some real political imagination because the crisis that we are in right now in our country, we are we're already veering towards the abyss, but we're there's still a chance. 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:59.039 I truly believe that there's still a chance to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:04.320 And maybe that's just youthful naivety, but with my generation, you guys are younger too. 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:11.039 Like I actually see these guys, and we really care about the country and we want to set it right, and we want to do what's right by God. 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.320 Where's our Franco? 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.000 He's coming. 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.519 Where's our Franco? 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:24.559 Yeah, I think um I do think we're gonna have hard times on the horizon, right? 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:36.079 And the thing that the this conversation came up is it so I'm I'm watching Kevin Davis kind of ridicule me and Fred Simon ridicule me that I didn't vote and I didn't vote. 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:42.239 And it's like, look, we know what we did here, we knew what we would get ourselves into, and it's going to involve suffering. 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.400 There's going to be suffering on the horizon. 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:52.000 The thing is, every generation that came before us in every single election, they voted for the lesser of two evils because they were unwilling to suffer. 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.360 It was like, oh, let's just prolong this thing that's inevitable. 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:56.559 This thing that's coming. 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.840 Like something's coming, and they were just like, Oh, let's just prolong it. 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:09.039 It let's just prolong it instead of ever tackling the issue and getting to the heart of why our country is rotting out from the inside, and it is rotting out from the inside. 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:19.119 Whether it's financial or moral, every single facet of our our country, our nation, it's all just rotten, and something needs to be done. 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:29.519 And if that means like being an accelerationist, letting this stuff get so bad that we can get a Franco to arise, because that is the only option at this point. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:41.119 But this is the problem with the two-party liberal democratic system, is that the only way we can really express our dis dissatisfaction with the Republican Party in this particular moment is to not support their candidates, right? 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:42.639 And to abstain. 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:50.480 And this is the problem with democracy that I have, largely speaking, because it only lets you vote inevitably for the lesser of two evils. 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:56.960 And that so so, like to your point, Anthony, like what other option do we have other than to say, well, we're not going to support them? 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:01.920 It teaches the Republicans a serious and severe lesson, but it also allows us to stand a principle. 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.719 And this is why I actually liked Rob your video the other day. 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.679 Is like we don't want to keep voting for the lesser of two evils, right? 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:13.760 As Catholic men, like our ancestors went to war to defend Europe and Christendom and to reclaim the Holy Land, right? 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:15.840 We need noble purposes in our lives. 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:29.440 The modern political paradigm, if you will, only says, well, here, take the crumbs from the party elites and the establishment that owns, like the lobbyists

who own these two parties who we're presenting to you as take the crumbs and shut up and like it. 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.199 But now there's been a great reason, if you will, and there's a new opportunity to say, all right, we're going to actually try something different. 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.360 And it might take a long time, yeah. 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.559 But really, you know, we want to vote for virtue, as Rob said. 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:41.440 I just like that a lot. 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.199 And that was a really good moment because we were like, no one wants this crap. 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.800 Like, this is a corrupt system. 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.320 So we have to do something about it. 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.880 And if that's the option, then I guess we have to take it. 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:57.599 I I think so many people vote for the lesser evil so that they don't actually have to do more. 00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.320 You know what I mean? 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:04.320 Like it's a pinch of incense to the church of democracy, and too many of these traders are taking it like a sacrament. 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.800 And if you don't partake, you're an apostate, leper, excommunicated, sedimentist. 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.559 I mean, they're treating us like the conciliar church has treated them for the longest time. 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:17.280 And that's like the most bizarre thing about all this is to have Kevin and others flip out. 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.360 And I mean that most respectfully. 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.199 But then he's like, Well, what are you gonna do about it? 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:26.400 You know, well, look, like, look what happened to Thomas Massey, one congressman who said, I'm not gonna support Israel. 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.599 Miriam Adelson spent millions of dollars to get him out of Congress. 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.760 Effectively, we don't have institutional power. 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:37.199 Okay, so don't tell us and shame us like you're not doing enough, or you run run for office and get your own party. 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.639 Like, it's not practical right now. 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.679 We have to regroup, come to first principles, set out a long-term vision, and go forward from there. 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:53.920 And instead of instead of accepting this lesser of two evils, because what was evil uh 10 years ago and what is now the lesser evils, it's beyond, like it's going and going, going further. 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.360 It's just a different kind of evil, right? 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:03.760 It's not actually a lesser of two evils, it's the same thing under a different mask. 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:32.480 Like it's it's like the the idea of the Uniparty is not just some like phrase we say, they are one part one entity aiming at the same goal with different tactics, but they all are marching towards the same goal, which is honestly like if

when you think about what immigration is, immigration is the dilution of the American Republic, like to the dilution of the people so that they're no longer a people, uh, they would vote women into positions of power. 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:33.199 What did that say? 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.280 They would vote women into positions of power as long as they had a little R next to there. 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.639 Yeah, like seriously. 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.440 Like look what Chris Jackson, I'll just use his name. 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:53.760 Chris Jackson said that if you don't vote for Mike Rogers, who was running in Michigan as a Republican, and at the end of the campaign, he adopted pro-abortion language and attitudes. 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.159 He said, This is how completely unserious these people are. 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.880 He said that if you don't vote for Mike Rogers, you cease to be a Catholic. 00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:10.079 The very act, it's not even saying that you ought to vote for Mike Rogers because he is the lesser of the two evils, and for a number of reasons. 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:17.119 It was just if you do not vote for Mike Rogers, who is this pro-abortion Republican, that act in itself makes you a heretic. 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:31.039 His spokeswoman was an a registered Israeli agent, like she was a registered agent of Israel coordinating this entire thing. 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:43.199 Like you're I I'm sorry that it it you want to talk about like not being like if you support Israel in any sense, you are supporting like the coming of Antichrist. 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.519 So, like there is no lesser of two evils in that situation. 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:53.119 And and I have to give Rob some props because he was sharing my my post on X on this very point. 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:54.719 When it comes to good post. 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:55.920 Thank you, thank you. 00:48:56.079 --> 00:49:06.400 When it comes to the lesser of the two evils, from the moral point of view, it's something you are choosing an evil, and you have to make sure that you can excuse it with proportionate reasons. 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.159 So that's something that they fail to see. 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:17.760 If you want to vote for one of these unworthy candidates, whether he be Republican or whether he be a Democrat, you need a proportionate reason for that material cooperation and evil. 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.400 That is material cooperation in grave evil. 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.400 So there has to be some excusing cause. 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.599 And that's something the burden of proof is on them to justify that. 00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:36.480 So if you want to vote for one of these Republicans as a matter of toleration and adopt that strategy, you have to realize that the proportionate reasons have to be there to excuse that. 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:44.079 And you also have to avoid giving scandal, uh contributing to the increase of bad men, and there are a number of other factors in that too. 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:48.000 And it actually can just be expedient to abstain in a principled way. 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:54.320 I I am actually so disgusted with them lording the abortion issue over our head. 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:54.800 Yeah. 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:56.960 Because they've taken it so for granted. 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:02.639 It's like, oh, you if you're if you're if you're a Catholic, if you're a Christian, you have to vote Republican because they're against abortion. 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.880 Like they pay lip service to this thing, they don't actually care about it. 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:11.599 None of them do anything to actually change the the laws on abortion. 00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.920 And even if they do, it's it winds up becoming such a contentious issue. 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:23.840 It's like I'm just tired of them being able to automatically get my vote because they say something about abortion. 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:24.719 It's so bro. 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:26.639 Trump did the same thing. 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.920 He went to the pro-life, the March for Life, and then what did he do? 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.360 He went and he and he put IVF into law and he did all this other stuff. 00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.599 They are liars, all of them are liars. 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:36.320 I'm done with it. 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:36.960 I don't care. 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:41.039 You're not going to hold me a prisoner and force me to vote for that. 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:45.599 Like, I still couldn't bring myself to vote for a Democrat, but I did abstain from this election. 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.400 Like, I I couldn't, I don't think I could bring myself to vote for a Democrat ever. 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:59.679 But I did abstain from this election, and I don't see myself unless some worthy candidate comes forward, I don't see myself voting in any election in the future either. 00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:04.719 Yeah, and and to the to your point there, I mean, Chris Jackson just wrote a well, you know, uh, what is it? 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:14.800 Chat GPT wrote an article published on Chris's blog about how we are not somehow uh supportive or wanting to defend the unborn or the at least the the innocent. 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:21.679 Because so he will use unborn children as a weapon to to wield against us and then say we don't care about that. 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:29.199 Well, I mean, look, I don't know about you guys, I've been to actual Red Rose rescues, I've been to the March for Life two times and done a lot of pro-life work. 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:39.840 But the this the point that they're trying to make, that Chris tries to make, especially, still doesn't stand because as you mentioned, Anthony, like Rogers is going to get in there and he said at the end of this campaign, I stand with Israel. 00:51:39.920

--> 00:51:42.639 We're gonna enforce anti-Semitic uh speech laws, right? 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.599 His actions, just like Lindsey Graham, who got A plus ratings from the pro-life industry for decades, right? 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:53.760 However long it was in politics, he he is more responsible for blood in the Middle East and across the world than a lot of senators. 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:55.920 These are not men who care about life. 00:51:56.079 --> 00:52:04.000 It's just that the pro-life movement takes themselves for van for, takes, allows themselves to get taken advantage from, and then they just go and start wars otherwise, other other places. 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.320 So and it's really contraception. 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:11.920 That is the underlying cause of the promiscuity and ultimately of the abortion. 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.119 So we need to be against contraception publicly. 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:18.239 That's something that needs to be recriminalized. 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:26.239 And the other thing, too, is that abortion, like everyone is saying on this panel, it's a very serious issue, it's a grave evil, but it's not the only one. 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.440 And you can't look at that to the exclusion of other factors. 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:35.440 You have offenses that are directly against Almighty God and His Majesty, blasphemy, idolatry. 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:36.639 These things are worse. 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.639 Religious liberty as an ideal. 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.519 This no bigger feminists than Republicans. 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:49.599 Like they are they put these women forward like they're conservatives, every single one of them have affairs behind their husband's back. 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.119 They preach family values. 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:57.199 Every one of them are the they live the most disordered, like moral lives you can imagine. 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:06.719 Like Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boeber, every one of them abandoned their family to go be in the public eye and then had a freaking affair with somebody else and left their family. 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:07.519 Every one of them. 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.480 Don't tell me the Republicans are the lesser of two evils. 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:17.039 They're worse because they're they're making women think that as long as you voted for Trump, you're you're a conservative. 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:18.079 No, you're not. 00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.239 Well, that's why they also only oppose, you know, get men out of women's sports. 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.400 Well, let's not have women's sports in general in the first place. 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:24.960 Oh, yeah. 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.039 They don't want to go back to those first principles. 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:27.840 Yes. 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:33.599 Um, so uh we'll do we'll do Vance real quick and then I want to go over to locals because I want to talk to Steven.

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.639 Uh I want to do some trad lore. 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:58.719 We did uh we did an episode when um when uh Tim Flanders put out his uh critique of the SSPX, and we kind of just went through a lot of the lore and you know, like like the meaning of Catholic stuff and all this stuff, but I I want to get it from the other other angle, and I want I want to hear your perspective where you when you started getting involved with this stuff. 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.000 So we're gonna do that over there. 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.840 But what uh what I know, Alex, you wanted to talk about Vance a little bit, right? 00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:06.960 Yeah, I do have a tweet queued up for it tomorrow morning. 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:11.199 People won't be surprised at it, but I I think he's already positioning himself. 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:33.440 Obviously, the point I made about people can see this too, that Trump being this albatross, and he's really going to have this impossible task because you do have this very radical, and I mean that in a good sense, but this radical base of American men and Catholic, some of them are Protestant, they're not all white, but a lot of them are white, white men like myself. 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:38.000 And so we are not content with the status quo, and we do want this fundamental change. 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:47.360 And what we were able to do this past midterm election was actually to kind of flex our muscles in a way and see what that abstention actually does? 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:49.039 Can we get concessions? 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:50.159 Because that's really what we want. 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:59.360 We want the political power that is ordered towards the common good, ultimately, natural happiness here in this life, and then ordered towards supernatural beatitudes. 00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.840 So that is that is what we're working for. 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:06.639 And I just I just don't see I'm very I'm I'm never Vance at this point. 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:25.039 People should know that from me, but I'm I'm I'm very deeply skeptical of him because I just the the factions that are arrayed behind him, the the positions that he has taken, the way he talks about Protestantism, it's not clear to me that he views that as a a wicked religion that is damning souls to hell. 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:27.679 So there's almost this false ecumenism that comes in. 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:33.840 And I get it's really difficult to be in politics today as a as a Catholic, but you still have to stick to those principles. 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:40.639 And just the conversations that I've I've heard him have, I'm I'm I'm very disappointed, and that's saying it very mildly. 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:51.360 He's not the guy, he's just not the guy, and I don't know. 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:56.559 I the the thing is there's something really strange going on with all these public figures becoming Catholic. 00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:57.760 There really is, right? 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.360 There's there's some very public figures and they all become Catholic. 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:12.800 And I think it's because like that, I think they can see that Catholicism, like Catholics are going to be the issue going forward, like they're they're the they're going to be the problem, they can see it in down the horizon. 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.920 So they're like, let's throw some Catholic converts in the mix and we'll get the Catholic vote. 00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:20.880 But everybody's starting to see through this nonsense. 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.000 It's not like Vance is not really Catholic. 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:28.800 He's got a he's got a Hindu wife, his children are named after Hindu gods and stuff. 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.559 He's got a son named Viven. 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.480 Like, what kind of Catholic are you that you can't even get your wife to if you if you can't do it? 00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.960 He doesn't even baptize his kids at birth, right? 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:38.159 I don't that I don't know. 00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:42.800 He delays, he does delay as an ode to his Protestant upbringing. 00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.360 I won't say, I'm not saying that he's not a Catholic, but I I see where you're coming from. 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.480 But yeah, that that those are just the obvious things. 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:56.880 I mean, and he came from Ohio, so he came from Middletown, Ohio, which is south of where I am. 00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:01.440 I won't disclose exactly, but he is supposedly this Ohio product. 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:07.679 I remember reading Hillbilly elegy years ago, and uh he is a creature. 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.000 Someone in the comments said he is a creature, that's true. 00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:12.400 He's a creation and a creature. 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:17.360 Yeah, I I just think if you can't lead your family, how are you leading the country? 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:31.440 You know, if you can't lead your wife, if you uh you're the vice president right now, you come out with that tweet the day after the election, uh the day after the election midterms, and now you want to act like you're surprised by this. 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:37.039 Like you guys have known, you've heard the chatter, you've watched Tucker go on rants about this stuff repeatedly. 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:44.559 We're sick of the Israel stuff, we want it done, we don't want to be involved in any more of their wars, we don't want them manipulating our government. 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:45.840 We we're done with it. 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:53.599 They know this, they thought they could get away with anything because they had such a big win in 2024, and they thought that would just carry over. 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.480 And this civil war within the Republican Party is way bigger of a problem. 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.400 They

better figure out what they're gonna do, I guess. 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:00.960 I don't know. 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.599 Do you think do you think Vance might resign? 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:13.360 Or I just saw a tweet today that um the cabinet might invoke the 25th amendment and either pressure Trump to leave himself and Vance becomes president, or what do you think about that? 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.400 I don't see Trump ever leaving on his own accord. 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.760 There's no chance that Trump would ever step down. 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:24.800 If they 25th Amendment him and push him out, then put Vance in, that's a different story. 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:26.960 But I need to pardon himself. 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:37.199 That's the other thing, too, because the blue tsunami has has come, and so he's going to be impeached for the third time, and they are going to look at all the corruption in the administration. 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.400 He has to immunize himself, so he needs that pardon. 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.480 And I just I would not want to be Donald Trump, that's for sure. 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.360 It's going to be two years, and he's going to take it, and he deserves all of it. 00:58:49.679 --> 00:59:06.559 One of the theories I heard is that these impeachment trials and and all of the um the house committee hearings that that it's all going to be very public, and it's meant to be public, and it's meant to demoralize all of us. 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:15.119 And the idea this person was saying is that we're all going to lose so much faith in the human institution that we're going to welcome our AI lords in. 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.679 Like, oh, we can't trust the Republicans, we can't trust that. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:18.719 I don't know. 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.119 I think they'd be very foolish. 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.559 I think they'd be very foolish to pursue that strategy, I think, of like impeaching Trump. 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:34.800 I don't mind getting ripped like public hearings of Heggs and stuff, but I I even saw uh Hillary Clinton say, let's not uh um remove Trump. 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:42.400 Because I think if they do that, it only shows that they're not focusing on the issues that literally got Trump out of office. 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.320 Inflation, the Iran War, you can even throw in the Epstein files and stuff like that. 00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:56.800 If the if the Democrats actually govern in a responsible way, which is a tall order, obviously, but if they focus on the issues, they're only going to set up their future candidates in 2028 for the presidency at that time. 00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:08.400 If they're if they're in here doing all this um stuff, investigations for like two straight years, I get doing it like they're for the first year, but for two years on it, like they have to shift at some point and show they're gonna address those concerns. 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.960 If they don't, they're gonna lose the White House, I think, in 2028. 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:17.360 Why go in and involve yourself in your enemies destroying themselves? 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:19.599 Like, why would you take Trump out? 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:21.679 He's so toxic right now. 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:23.599 He's your ticket to 2028. 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:26.159 Leave him in, let him do what he's doing. 01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.239 Clearly, the American people hate it. 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:33.039 Why would you want to take him out and let Vance come in and be the star and fix everything? 01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.199 Like, why would you even give them that opportunity? 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:36.960 Let Trump run his term out. 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:38.239 People despise him. 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:54.079 I don't think, I don't think anybody like I just he is so even even his response was uh I saw today he was like, uh I I should have done something with amnesty because Melania said something about people getting deported. 01:00:54.159 --> 01:01:08.000 It's like if your takeaway from this is that you did you deported too many people, you really are the well no what it was is the when the deportations and the ice stuff was happening, Melania told them to stop because her friends were getting deported. 01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:12.800 So that's why the deportations and the ice stuff slowed down fell off after right. 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.079 Yeah, if it's what friends does she have that are getting deported? 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:17.199 Who does she hang out with? 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:22.880 Well, they were probably all white people, you shouldn't be deporting white people anyway. 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.800 I had the most bizarre conversation at work today. 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:34.480 I was my my con ed CCI is a Dominican CCI. 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.360 He's like the the inspector, the head inspector of the department. 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:41.840 He was out in the field, and he dude, it was so strange. 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.559 He's a Dominican immigrant. 01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:48.480 Uh, he's been here for uh 19 years. 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:52.079 Uh but he's like he brought it up. 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:53.039 It was so strange. 01:01:53.119 --> 01:02:04.079 He's like, he brought the conversation of immigration up, and he's like, you know, I don't know what religion you are, but we're letting a certain group of people come in this country that's gonna be very dangerous down the road. 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:05.280 He's talking about Muslims. 01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:17.119 I'm like, I thought he was gonna be able to say, I'm like, I'm talking to the Dominican immigrant about the Muslim immigrants, and he's worried about the Muslims coming in. 01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:21.199 And I'm like, he's like, I was like, Well, I'm Catholic, so you can speak freely on this topic. 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.840 He's

like, Well, I'm Protestant, but I, you know, I'm just you should have been like, Oh, you betrayed your people, sir. 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.559 Yeah, I wanted to, but he he is my boss, you know. 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:42.079 So I'm like, so but it was really interesting to have a conversation with a Dominican immigrant about the dangers of Muslim immigration, and he was like, dude, he was like talking about how horrible Mam Dani is for the city and all this stuff. 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.079 I'm like, wow, this is interesting, man. 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:54.239 But the one thing I was thinking about, I just I want to hear you guys' perspective on this because only recently the elections have not concluded on the day of. 01:02:54.480 --> 01:03:07.039 So I voted for the first time in 2016, but I think it was really 2020 that changed this because you had all of the unsolicited universal mail-in balloting, and now people are voting a month ahead of time or even months in advance. 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:12.239 I remember growing up and it was like the day of the elections would finish, you'd have you've had all the results. 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.639 Yeah, so that's just that's just so strange nowadays. 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:15.599 It's like we're waiting. 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.519 There's still races, we don't exactly know. 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.440 Yeah, election day was like a holy day in a in America. 01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:22.960 In the Church of Democracy. 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:24.320 In the Church of Democracy. 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.920 All right, before we go, we're gonna do our ad reads. 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:28.960 Sorry, guys. 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:30.719 Um, we're going to go over to the other side. 01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:32.239 I don't have work tomorrow. 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:34.239 I have to go do some doctor's appointments. 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.119 You don't have work tomorrow, so that means it gets to be a late night for me. 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:38.800 So I'm not in a rush to get off. 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.760 We might actually do a little time over on the other side. 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:43.199 So don't go anywhere. 01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.960 Um, okay, before we go, go to nicknack.com. 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.960 Nicknacks is uh nicknacks are lozenges, nicotine lozenges. 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.320 They are uh an amazing product, they do contain nicotine. 01:03:56.400 --> 01:04:00.480 Nicotine is an addictive substance, uh, which is why you would want them. 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:09.119 And uh go to knicknack.com, use code AB25% for 25% off your first purchase, use code AB10 for 10% off all subsequent purchases. 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:14.400 I heard that if you if you use knick knacks, you didn't feel the need to go vote at all. 01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:16.159 That's that's too care of it for you. 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:27.440 And uh we we may have started the the the sede vacantes against the integrity beef by sending some knick-knacks out too. 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:30.400 So we're we're trying to brew trouble up everywhere. 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:33.920 Another knick-knack success story. 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:38.239 We got we got Steven to realize that that these people are a problem. 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.159 Go to blackmonkrosary.com, get your black monk rosary. 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.760 Black Monk, I'm sorry, they are the best rosaries out there. 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:49.360 If you guys do not have one, you're missing out. 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:50.719 They weigh about nine pounds each. 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:52.239 They're a great defense weapon. 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:55.440 If you're uh in a no-carry state, you keep one of these in your cars. 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.599 Which is gonna be a lot of states here, probably soon. 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:02.880 You get one of those, you get one of those Muslim carjackers coming up, and you can just wrap them over the head with your black monk rosary. 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:07.599 Go to blackmonkrosary.com, use code avoidingbabylon at checkout, and you'll get 10% off. 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:16.320 And then finally, last but not least, we our good friend TLM Ryan is uh put it, he put together a calendar. 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.800 We're trying to take out the Saint Maker. 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:22.079 Uh the Saint Maker works with the Deep State and Trad Inc. 01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:23.360 of SETA Inc. 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:27.599 Hey, these are fine people we're talking about. 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:28.880 Very fine people. 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:34.239 The Saint Maker, they are the Deep State, they are SEDA Inc. 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:35.039 Do not go into the city. 01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:41.039 Well, until Sophia changes that book, you guys are going to Ryan's site. 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:42.480 So are you a busy Catholic? 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