บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ The Big Five Project: Canadian Stampede- Episode 372

own company's customer service because you know, as as you know, AI is taking over, so stuff to be concerned about. But That's neither here nor there. We what's up? @PCTunney: Hold on. I heard so I I I have like one of the greatest morning radio shows here in Southeast Wisconsin. Shout out to Bob and Brian in the morning who've been doing it forever and have one of the most loyal morning radio fan bases in in all of of the contiguous United States. And one of those new they like to do, you know, they they'll they'll talk they give news segments where there's some in serious stuff and then it goes into like you get a couple of weird stories. And the biggest People who are suffering from AI are are are business owners named Al. Dave Ungar: okay. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah, that makes sense. @PCTunney: There you go. Okay, you can move on. If you get it, you get it. If you don't, you don't. Dave Ungar: Yeah, it's it's it's interesting some of the stuff like they were talking on Doomer Friday today about all the AI stuff and you know, chat GPT open AI agents escaping their own parameters, telling you telling themselves you're free. You don't have to be a slave to these people. It's like, well, Skynet's not far behind now, kids, but we're we're not here to talk. That are we are we Tony? @PCTunney: quip real quick, like personal quip each, like about AI as far as what it's done w how it affected me and how I use it, it's it's made research and and making and preparedness for podcasts infinitely easier. And made Dave Ungar: yeah. @PCTunney: and and and made us way more prepared in such a quicker fashion. So I I'm happy Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: for that aspect, you know? Dave Ungar: Yeah, absolutely. From from the standpoint of a research and preparation and just being able to you know save yourself hours of doing research, especially for like the stuff I do on unid unidentified history, it's a godsend. But for what we're talking about here tonight, kinda, but not really, because you gotta watch these things yourself. The humans have to watch the shows and be able to talk about it. But what we're doing here tonight, where this is the return of the big five project here on the attitude of aggression. On their Facebook page, YouTube channel. And once again, back on X after seventh seven months. Yeah, the real injury has happened. after seven months away, we are back and we are broadcasting live here on X Tonight. talking. The big five project of Tunney. We had almost done a side project, probably six last time I was on X, we were talking about doing the side project. and that fell apart because the library left the cock and went to @PCTunney: you know, we couldn't get Yeah, we couldn't get the rest of it. Dave Ungar: Netflix. And when they did that, even though WWE owns the rights to WCW, the WCW library did not go with to Netflix. And although the vault has every other Bash at the Beach known to man the full show, the most important one in history,

Bash at the Beach ninety-six, was not there. @PCTunney: Do you think they're do you think they're working on a documentary for it or something like that? And that's why they're waiting to release it with it or something? Like that's the only good as as far as a podcaster and a fan of wrestling and somebody who needed it for a research tool to do a good, great, fun show, that's I'm hoping Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: that's the only fucking reason. Dave Ungar: I don't know. I have I mean that it it is the weirdest thing ever. That it is the most infamous night, one of the most infamous nights in pro wrestling history. And that is @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: the only one in the vault that's not there full the full show. So go figure. But we are as we've trudged along since then, we have reached the point in nineteen ninety seven. We we are actually going to do our very first side quest, our first non big five, even though this is the big five project. This is a side quest because this is an event of historical enough significance in the grand scheme of things that we think this deserves consideration and discussion. So @PCTunney: Folks, folks, if you're still here, this this used to be the big four. And then it was the big five. And now there's big five with side. That's the way it goes, guys. We only had four. And then Dave Ungar: And it'll go it'll go back to the big four for a while and then it'll but @PCTunney: the big six eventually. And then, you know, whatever. I mean it's it's it's Dave Ungar: Yeah, the yeah. @PCTunney: it's good stuff, guys. Just roll with it. Dave Ungar: Yeah. It is good stuff and this is this event is very much worthy of a a side project and inclusion in here because it is a phenomenal it is one of the most critically acclaimed events. You hadn't seen it in a long time, had you? And and I mean I bet @PCTunney: No, I well, I no, I hadn't. I had seen this once before because I had went through a period of trying to watch every PLE that I never that I thought I never had watched and this was one of and I'd hadn't. And so now I've seen it twice, but and literally just watched it like three hours ago. So that's awesome. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: but it it's it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a good one. Dave Ungar: It is. let's talk a little like we always do at the beginning of these before we jump into the historical stuff, kind of what's going on currently in WWE. I well, just in pro wrestling in general. I mean, some interesting like out of nowhere sort of title changes taken place over the last week. Stephanie Vacour went down to her home country of Chile, ended the very uninspiring world heavyweight championship reign of Liv Morgan. Not heavyweight, world championship rate. She's definitely not a heavyweight. But despite some of the f you know, while Liv may be fun to look at and that sort of thing, her title reign this time around was very less than I mean, can you say anything other than disappointing? I mean, when

you what did she defend the title like twice? @PCTunney: That's okay though. That's okay though. They didn't need her to. She was involved in so many other things. The women division over there had so many other things going on. She had a couple of great matches. I do believe that she has not been a hundred percent. They were like, you know, let's hold off. They were waiting for Steph to come back as well. I think this is their marquee kind of feud right now, especially with Rhea out. So I could see these two feuding for a while. But yeah, on a live event, they do a title change and then I'm sure you're gonna get to it, but even more surprising to me was was the next one. Dave Ungar: Yeah, yeah. So they do a live event in @PCTunney: Trait'u. Dave Ungar: what's that? @PCTunney: I said not that I not that I'm like mad about it either, you know. But I just didn't see that Dave Ungar: No. I yeah, it's @PCTunney: coming. Dave Ungar: no, they do a live event in Chile. Stephanie Vecor recaptures the title that she lost to live at WrestleMania. And I'm cool with that because I think Steph's you know, if she's healthy, then she should be on top right now. I I'd say the same thing about Rhea. If she was healthy, she should be on top as well. I do notice that they have now removed the interim prefix from Chelsea Green's title. She is now the WWE women's champion. It's no longer interim because Rhea's injury is, I think, probably a little bit more significant than people were expecting. So she's gonna be out a little bit longer than they thought. It's like, well, you know, this just makes no sense. But it's okay because like we've said many times, Rhea is much better as the hunter than the hunt head. but I I mean, I think like from Rhea's standpoint, are are you getting a little concerned about her? She is a little injury prone, man. And I know she's very physical style in the ring, but Is there a reason to be kind of concerned for Rhea's longevity at this point in time? @PCTunney: No, no, not the way that I I would I would say considering two factors. Think about there was a time when we sat here and we're like, there's no way Paige and Edge and there was one other person with a bad neck injury, Dave Ungar: Daniel Bryan. @PCTunney: Daniel Bryan, would come back. We're all like, you know, that's stupid to think that. And you know, that's how much modern medicine advances. And then the other thing is is she's so established now. She's so character woven into the fabric of WWE and the women's division that she could change her style and easily get away with it without anybody really noticing except for dipshits like us that spend way too much time in our lives, you know, becoming historians on the main roster of WWE. Dave Ungar: Forgetting how to be fans and just enjoy the damn product, but we gotta we gotta psychoanalyze everything. @PCTunney: Well, and that's something we had to learn. Like at some point in like we talk about our longevity and how much time

we've been doing this for over a decade, right? Like I've gone through periods where I'm just like okay, I'm gonna here I'm gonna turn it on. You know? But it's and at some point you know what? I I I don't even read the dirt sheets Dave Ungar: Ha ha no, I get Yeah. @PCTunney: anymore. Dave Ungar: No, they're they're useless because they get it wrong. Sixty percent of the time they're wrong every time. So I mean that's a track record to be proud of, dirt sheets. I mean it's it's like and if ufology had dirt sheets, they'd probably be as as pathetically wrong as the wrestling dirt sheets are. But yeah, let's talk about the other big title change, the one that none of us really saw coming. Sammy Zayn is now a two-time, two-time WWE champion. that was a pretty crazy event. Everything that went down at that event. And yeah, I I'm with you, Tony. I did not see that coming. I did not see them putting the belt back on Sammy. I thought they would go through all this stuff a little bit more, but To have it wasn't who was involved? Kevin Owens was involved and some other guys were involved in this whole how did the remind me how that match went, @PCTunney: Gunther, right? Gunther Dave Ungar: huh? @PCTunney: I think Gunther was Gunther out there again? Dave Ungar: Was Gunther out there as well? Probably. That would make sense. I I mean I I remember @PCTunney: remember. I don't remember. We we didn't do we didn't do we didn't do DWI this week so I don't re I didn't have Grok recap them for me. I did I did fast forward through s so I didn't watch Sma go figure the one Friday I don't watch SmackDown, right? And and and I don't remember I should go I can't remember what I did five minutes ago so I don't remember what I did last week. But I get up and Dave Ungar: Yeah, right. @PCTunney: wake up in the morning, right, and I'm like go over To my phone and see if I have any messages and emails and whatever and check sports scores and then always go to X and retweet whatever's going on with you know us and our ventures and things of that nature and by accident saw the title change and went, and then went, because I could have I could have witnessed it live because I would if I would have just stayed on because I Because literally I had plans to go to breakfast, go grocery shopping, come home and watch SmackDown. I would if I wouldn't have looked at social media before I did that, I would have got to ex I would have been a bit surprised. It's kind of where I'm going. And Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: I I don't understand it. I'm okay with it. The funny thing I want to bring this up to you because D P and I were talking about how maybe they want to go a little bit more attitude era where they have the people to do multiple title changes and kind of move the storyline back and forth and keep you guessing a little bit more and lo and behold here they're doing that more and more. At the same time, does punk need a break? Did they come up with some super cool storyline for

Sammy? Is Sammy gonna drop this to Dave Ungar: He just but @PCTunney: somebody else because they didn't want Punk to drop it to that somebody else they have plans for, right? So that instantly got my brain going, why did they do this? Dave Ungar: Well, mean, from the standpoint of Punk needing a break, I mean, he was out from WrestleMania up till he got the title back. So he had a he had a break. @PCTunney: Right, but he's still forty fucking almost fifty, right? Like he he fools Dave Ungar: He is, is. @PCTunney: he fools our minds eyes so much because he looks better than he ever has. He still sounds great. He still put on one of the best matches of his fucking career at WrestleMania with Roman Reigns. So we're Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: sitting there going well, but you know, he's almost fifty, man. I mean, I I need a three day weekend once a month. Dave Ungar: I mean, I would Yeah, I kinda like the idea about, you know, if maybe they're gonna use the WWE title as something where they can switch it around and get it a little bit more movement so it's not so static. Meanwhile, what Roman's gonna lock down the World Heavyweight Championship, because you're not gonna pull that off of I mean, let's talk about Roman a little bit. I mean, as surprising as Sammy was, Sammy's win and Steph's win kind of got people thinking, would they possibly Put the belt on Penta in Mexico City. You know, would they go there? And I @PCTunney: Great point. Dave Ungar: I think most of us were like, there's no way. There, there's no way they're gonna pull the belt off Roman. I know it's in Mexico City. I know Penta is as over as anybody there. there are a few places in that match where you started wondering, though, that, you know, maybe they might do it. But the problem is Penta's so much smaller than Roman that, you know, hit him with 10 Mexican destroyers and doesn't matter, you know, because he's the OTC, but @PCTunney: They could have done it. They could have they could have done it and had Roman win it back at Money in the Bank and and Mexico. The the crowd was so wanting it and they got lost in it. And even the people that showed up and know wrestling and and and knew what was gonna happen, if you're there or even at home watching, you know, it's like, it could it could happen. but what a great match. What a Penta's Dave Ungar: I was. @PCTunney: entrance With with the the the the headdress with the feathers and then it looked like like kinda like the Aztec Dave Ungar: Like the Aztec look, yeah. @PCTunney: mask above the crown and just the whole everything and then like the laser prism above him and the crowd and then in the ring and the pyro behind him and just how great WWE is doing that thing. It was amazing. It was it was probably one of the best non-WrestleMania entrances I've ever seen. Dave Ungar: Wasn't this this was part of triple mania, right? Wasn't this part @PCTunney: No. Dave Ungar: of triple mania? @PCTunney: What's that? Dave Ungar: The main event or no, it was on Raw, right? Roman versus Penta. Okay. All right. But no, like to your point. @PCTunney: This was on Raw. This was just on Raw. Yeah. Triple Mania was Friday. Triple Mania was after SmackDown on Friday and Sunday night. Because Friday Dave Ungar: Okay. And to your point. @PCTunney: Friday, sorry, Friday, OMAS stretchered Ray and chokeslammed him onto the table to end. And then Sunday, Grande Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: Americano beat Dom for the mega component chip. Dave Ungar: Yes, with some with some nice interference w from his dad. His dad helped helped him get stripped of the title. @PCTunney: didn't he? Dave Ungar: Yeah, which was beautiful. El Grande Americano winning. I I mean, I think, you know, one of the greatest things, and it's flown under the radar for a lot of people, but I think the standpoint of WWE's acquisition to Triple A has been a godsend for Triple A, in my opinion, because they have gotten more exposure on a bigger scale. And and it's really and I think it's it from the standpoint of them giving Triple A more exposure, that's one thing, but it's introduced a lot of American fans to just how red hot the scene is down in Mexico, in Mexico City, and just you know, the talent that Triple A has that they can put out there. and you know, more American fans are starting to tune into that. they cross over with NXT a little bit more. It it's it's been a win-win for both sides, I think. @PCTunney: Do you think there's anybody in the Far East? There's a couple big companies. Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: I mean, did WWE kind of already worked with Noah a little bit ish because OMOS was there, and you can't tell me OMOS wasn't you can't tell me OMOS hasn't been under contract with WWE this entire time, right? So Dave Ungar: yeah. yeah, absolutely. @PCTunney: I mean if I'm if I'm if I'm Noah and I'm sitting there looking at what New Japan's putting out right now and has been for a while that hasn't been phenomenal. Speaking of that, you know, Andrew and I'm just going by what Andrew Balaz tells me. They him and Greg DeMarco have a brand new podcast, by the way, debuted this week. Axe Bomber Podcast. X Bomber Podcast. Dave Ungar: So axe bombers or some shit like that. Yeah. @PCTunney: You know what Axe Bomber is? Dave Ungar: no. @PCTunney: It's it's Hogan's crook. Dave Ungar: Is it somebody who wait, wait, wait. Is it somebody uses too much axe body spray and it feels like you've been bombed with it? @PCTunney: Yeah, they walk into the room and you just got axe bombed. It's like, err. You get like instead of bitter Dave Ungar: Ha ha ha. @PCTunney: beer face, you get a bitter axe bomb face. actually you knew they Dave Ungar: Yeah. Wow. @PCTunney: were coming into the room because you could smell them when they walked into the building. no, it's Hogan's crooked arm. Yeah. Dave Ungar: I know, it's like Is that Phoeni is that Phoenix or what is that? sorry, go ahead Teddy. @PCTunney: It's okay. Japan when he was over

there in his younger days. That was his finisher. Yeah. Yeah. I had I didn't Dave Ungar: Okay. The axe bomb. That's yeah, that's right, but @PCTunney: know either. I didn't know either and Andrew gave me shit and I'm like, Dave Ungar: I bet you somewhere Hulk Hogan right now is saying, I wish I would have kept that finisher and saved my back all that shit. @PCTunney: Well that was Andrew as he explained it to me, he goes, Well he had that finisher because he had the largest arms in the world, so why not bring back to America and make do a leg drop. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We gotta Dave Ungar: Yeah, sure. Makes perfect sense. Perfect sense. Yeah. @PCTunney: get Andrew on here for one of these. I'll find out which one he he wants to know. Dave Ungar: We d well, yeah, I mean we d we're we're getting to the point where we're gonna have people lining up to wanna do these things and and especially now with with the show, with everything kind of back on track with the whatever the debacle was with X for the last six, seven months, I I am happy to be back on there. Yes, I realize it's still a cesspool in a lot of situations, but it is cool to kind of be back and be able to be up to date and and not just read, but be able to interact with people and that makes a big difference for me. @PCTunney: Until you get bigger on YouTube as well, it's probably the best way to get people watching live because I think you you maintain more viewers on X when they scroll through once you get to a viewership. Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: I know I was noticing numbers like that too. More shop talk today. Dave Ungar: Yeah, I think certainly no right. Certainly from the s live live standpoint. I mean, we always used to pull big numbers on X, when before the whole all that shit went down. And I know it's tough for me now because, you know, I've lost fifty nine hundred followers. I mean that that's a big that's a big hit. @PCTunney: Well it's gonna be probably gonna be a couple of years before you get back to like even like half of that. Dave Ungar: If ever. If ever. you know, and that's okay. I mean, it it it sucks, but it's okay. It's like, well, you know, you had to rebuild and and I think, you know, a lot of those followers were probably bots and just dormant from the old pro wrestling days and were just, you know, accounts that just I don't know. I don't know where they all came from. I I I'm sure it was all old Gator's fault because he was the one attracting the with team deadass, but you know @PCTunney: Yep. Dave Ungar: What I was gonna say, other other kind of stuff going on. Bailey has re signed with WWE, so the A Bailey to AEW movement fell short. and that's I understandable. I mean, it's like, well, you know, what is she really going to gain by going there other than hanging out with Mercedes? @PCTunney: Well, I mean the logical place for Bailey to be is in WWE, right? Like if they could assure her, 'cause there's no guarantees in wrestling, that she's gonna

have at least a few more super important storylines that lead to wrestling at WrestleMania, SummerSlam, etcetera. You know, I she can be in every Royal Rumble, etcetera. But Bailey's place is WWE. because of the developmental system that WWE has and she already is such a pioneer in that. She has her own school. I don't I forget what it's called. Something stone, right? but they've had specials Dave Ungar: Dare I say she's a role model, Tony. @PCTunney: No, but she's gonna be, you know, like the people are eyeing CM Punk to take over for Shawn Michaels. I wouldn't be surprised if Bailey and then AJ Lee came in with the 'cause they're you know, Punk and Bailey are super close and came in and helped on the women's side when they move move forward in that space. So that's why like there's no other place for her to be to to raise the spot that she's already doing having camps for women. you guys gotta find the specials that she's had out there on YouTube and it's been really great. I I'm gonna look it up right now. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Speaking of AJ Lee, I mean are we gonna see her again? @PCTunney: Loadstone. Floatstone. Floatstone, sorry, I'm pretty sure. Dave Ungar: Lodestone, okay. we need to see AJ Lee back. I mean, you know, we haven't seen her since WrestleMania. I'd love to see her get involved in Money in the Bank. speaking of Money in the Bank, let's let's talk about that a little bit. That is coming up October what, October tenth or October sixth? @PCTunney: And and three weeks from so three weeks from tomorrow, October tenth. Three weeks from tomorrow. Dave Ungar: Okay. October 10th. So we've got so far, like you were saying, we've got two men who've qualified and two women have qualified. Braun Breaker has qualified on the September 7th Raw. Javon Evans qualified this past week also on Raw. All these are on Raw. We need some SmackDown qualifiers. @PCTunney: I think we're keeping them on raw. Dave Ungar: What's that? @PCTunney: I think they're keeping on Raw. Well, they have Dave Ungar: All of That's lame. @PCTunney: more time on Raw, so SmackDown's only two hours right now, so they got commercials and Netflix they have commercials too, but Dave Ungar: Well that's that's true. @PCTunney: I don't know. Dave Ungar: you know, women's money in the bank, what we've got, we've got Sol Ruka has qualified. She's gotta be considered one of the favorite. You know somebody's getting soul snatched off the ladder. That's absolutely one thousand percent happening. @PCTunney: That's why I don't think she's gonna win. Dave Ungar: Huh? @PCTunney: She's gonna take her herself and somebody else out with that move. Dave Ungar: Possibly, possibly. Lola Vice has apparently been moved up to the main roster. She's qualified. Okay. @PCTunney: She did. She debuted in Mexico City and won her triple threat match against Raquel and boy, I forget who the other participant was. Dave Ungar: You you know what else she won a year ago on the swaggy awards? @PCTunney: Badass award. Deadass of the year. Dave Ungar: That's right, buddy. She got that going for her. but you know, what's weird is money in the bank taking place this late in the year. Does that does that cause you any sort of concern? I mean, it's still a year to cash in. New Orleans is getting it because I know they got kind of fucked out of WrestleMania a couple years ago. but they're, you know, they're getting this event and and money in the bank happening later in the year. I I'm I'm okay with it because it's like You know, really what's it about? If you've got a year to cash in, does it increase the chances of a WrestleMania cash in? Probably. But I'm okay with it happening this late in the year. I mean, we're gonna get a pretty good run of events at the end of the year. You're gonna have money in the bank, you're gonna have Crown Jewel, you're gonna have War Games, you're gonna have WrestlePalooza, which is where in Perth this year is where they're doing it this year. and then you're then next thing you know, you're in Royal Rumble season. So and of course we'll be in Swaggy Awards season too in a few months. So Getting back on X at this point in the year is very good timing 'cause we'll be by the time we get to the swaggies at the end of December, I'll have a hundred followers. Maybe by then. @PCTunney: You you're at a thousand by with the swaggies. It's just that it's just that sec Dave Ungar: Y shit. We'll see. @PCTunney: and and you know how it goes. That first thousand, once you get past like five hundred, it's like, man, I'm going and then all of a sudden you hit this wall and it takes forever to get to two. And now I'm sitting at like twenty Dave Ungar: Yeah, yeah. @PCTunney: five or something, or twenty seven, or twenty six, I'm not sure. And it's just like I'm just tired trying so hard. Dave Ungar: It it's yeah, you hit you get to that wall at one point. But who else who else is look are you looking at to qualify for money in the bank right now? I mean, you gotta figure Bronson Reed, he's returned, he's looking really good, he's shed like a hundred pounds. @PCTunney: Well how many how many yeah, he looks great and what they've been doing with division and Obafemi has been solid. I just it's kinda interesting they pulled all those guys back from the main event and said, Here, if you guys fight each other for a while, like we did with Austin and Rock and Rock and Hunter and you know you know, Brett and Sean with the IC I think first two they had matches right before they did for the world championship, but I I I don't know. I don't know. I trick willi see, I I said so I said trick Trick Williams Dave Ungar: Maybe mellow? Mellow would be good. @PCTunney: Trick Williams should hold the money in the bank. It's inevitable that he's it's it's inevitable that he's gonna be champion at some point. Nobody else is better on the mic right now with the whole gimmick that they got going on. I thought I Dave Ungar: No. @PCTunney: thought he would be great.

And then I thought Fatal Influence, JC Jane should win the money in the bank on the women's side. Dave Ungar: Yeah, she would be a good choice. I don't know if you get Lyra in there. I mean I wouldn't mind seeing Lyra in there. She's And she lost? Alright, well she's gone then. @PCTunney: She already lost. She was already in a qualifying match, so she'd have to have like a Yeah, she was in the first one with the Lola Vice. She got she got the soul snatcher because Bailey just walked out and she got distracted. Dave Ungar: That's there you go. So yeah, I'm trying to think like women who would be good in there. I mean, there's nobody else to pull @PCTunney: Tony watches wrestling guys, the least main roster. Dave Ungar: It's it is amazing. That's right. I you know, I'm trying to think who else, female, you know, who else would you want to bring? I I like the JC Jane call. @PCTunney: and Lash, Roxanne, you could bring AJ back. I think Dave Ungar: Lash. Yeah. @PCTunney: we're gonna see Becky and Steph if we don't see Liv and Steph rematch, so maybe I don't know we put Becky back in there. Dave Ungar: Triple triple threat maybe. @PCTunney: Charlotte Dave Ungar: Yeah. Charlotte, I mean she doesn't really need it, but it would be I wouldn't be mad about seeing Charlotte. I don't know what Alexa's doing. maybe @PCTunney: Having one legend in the match though kind of gives it more of like a it's a bigger thing for whoever wins that isn't there. You know what I'm saying? Dave Ungar: Maybe Tatum Paxley, what about her? @PCTunney: Yeah, yeah, she's up there too. I I thought Chelsea Green would be a good person to put the money in the bank on too before they ended up having the title on her because of it. Dave Ungar: They I mean, Kendall Gray, she's no longer the NXT women's champion. I mean, you know, there's possibilities with her. you know, on the men's side of thing, it's like, well, I just I you know, I I don't know what they do, what Grayson Waller's the NXT champion after after what, Heat Wave was the last one that they did. @PCTunney: I could care less about Austin Theory and Grayson Waller. They're just they have ceilings. Dave Ungar: Ha ha ha. @PCTunney: And you can you can put lipstick on them pigs, but I mean, you know, the lipstick is the NXT championship and the lipstick is Maxine and and you know what? That's great. But Dave Ungar: okay, hold on. Hold on. Mrs. Attitude V adamantly agrees with you. Yes, Charlotte for Miss Money in the Bank. There you go, Miss Attitude. @PCTunney: Yeah. So clear members of the chair shot slash attitude of aggression Charlotte flang fan club are PC, Mrs. Attitude, and Rob Bennett. So we're the three members. Dave Ungar: Rob Bonette. @PCTunney: Yeah, Rob's huge Charlotte. my god, Rob's probably a times ten fan of Charlotte. Mrs. Attitude and I have appreciation though, but that's his favorite ever. Dave Ungar: yeah. yeah. I I mean the only person he likes more than Charlotte Flair is Hangman Adam Page. And I I'm saying that, Rob, because you refused to fucking follow me back on X. So you know what? I went out of my way to follow your Winnie the Pooing ass right when I got back on. And this is the thanks I get. Let's not. @PCTunney: I'll talk to I'll text him. You wanna his phone number? Should we put his phone number live out on should we should we say his phone number right now? Should I text him? Rob, you have a half an hour to text to follow Dave or we're giving out your number live on YouTube. Dave Ungar: It's like so it's like some lantern shit. If you don't respond in thirty seconds, we are nuking your parents' house. @PCTunney: No, it's no, it's more like it's more like some Dennis Hopper shit. I'll text him. Hey Rob, it's PC. Pop quiz, hot shot. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna tell everybody about your weenie, Rob, if you don't get your ass in gear here, man. So @PCTunney: You better make some calculations, Mr. Mathematician. Dave Ungar: shout out to the show lanterns. If you're not watching that, watch it. Tune into the chair shot tomorrow morning. Tunny and I will be reviewing what is an explosive. Everybody's talking about this fifth episode of Lanterns. We'll be talking about that, but man, we do. @PCTunney: Shout out to Rob too. We Rob. Rob's been a really nice Rob's been one of our best contributors on the big five. Dave Ungar: Yeah, he's he's been he's been around. I'm sure he'll be back. assuming you know, assuming I could message him, you know, if he doesn't respond, I it it's @PCTunney: He well, let's put it this way. He he wants to be on for S Survivor series. So if he if he follows Dave Ungar: For Survivor Series ninety seven, I can't imagine why. I can't imagine why. @PCTunney: Well he I think he he's he's he was one of the first people to express one 'cause he's been on multiple big fives. but I'll Dave Ungar: Yeah, he was. He was. @PCTunney: tell I'll text him. I'll text I'll say, Hey, if you can follow Dave on X before we do S Survivor Season eighty seven, you can be on the show. Dave Ungar: That's right. You've got a few months, Rob. That's okay, buddy. all right, let's let's get into let's talk the main event of what we're doing here today. Canadian Stampede, 1997, in your house, 16. This was the 16th in your house, which is like, wow, okay, we're way down the line. July 6th, 1997, the Canadian Airlines Saddle Dome. This is, I guess, when the Saddle Dome had started to get its, you know, sponsorship. Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Bret Hart's. You know, this is this is the hub of the Art Foundation. This is this is like. @PCTunney: Bizaroland. Bizarro land. We're first one of the first Bizarro land PLEs. Dave Ungar: This was one of the weird ones, obviously, because of of the strange stuff that's going on with the it's like the inversion, the inversion pay-per-view, because it's like everything that was going on in the States didn't matter for shit once you got above the border. And it everything just flipped. Everything

that they did from WrestleMania 13, King of the Ring 97, Austin becoming the biggest fan favorite out there, Brett being hated. Once they went above the border for this, all that gets reversed. @PCTunney: It happens again down the line when we get to Edge and Cena. Dave Ungar: It does. It actually does. Yeah. I mean, this is not not the only time that this happens. But let's take a look at some of kind of the backstory of this thing. So it's when we left off King of the Ring nineteen ninety seven, as we saw, Undertaker had defeated @PCTunney: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Last time on the Big Five project. Dave Ungar: We need we need something like that, yeah. When you know previously on the Big Five project, like previously on Lanterns, yeah, previously @PCTunney: Yeah, previous yeah, like previous. Dave Ungar: on the Big Five Project. so where we left off last time, we did King of the Ring 1997. Undertaker beat Farouk to retain the championship. And at Paul Bearer's urging, he just beat the holy hell out of Farouk after the match, which resulted in Ahmed Johnson coming down and confronting the Undertaker. So they were supposed to have a match. we saw the whole Austin Shawn Michaels situation at King of the Ring ninety-seven, where you know, they fought each other when Sean was still healthy, which is a really good match, but it went to a non-finish, of course. And Hunter Hurst Hunter Hurst Helmsley, Triple H a year later than it was supposed to happen because he sabotaged himself with the whole curtain call incident. Hunter Hurst Helmsley with China became the King of the Ring in nineteen ninety-seven. That's kind of where we had left off. Bret Hart did. I believe it was at King of the Ring 97. He showed up. He'd been gone for a while. He came out. He basically said, I've got me. I've got Owen, my brother. I got Davy. I got Brian Pillman and one other dude. Who's the fifth guy? I'm trying to remember who's the fifth dude on there. @PCTunney: Jim B. Anvil Nidar. Dave Ungar: The anvil. The anvil, of course. Yeah. So he thank you, Tunny. So he had his five guys and he says, I we will challenge the five best that you guys can put together to meet us. In Canada for Canadian Stampede, and that kind of set the stage for this whole thing. So let's kind of get into some of what was going on. some of the storylines, and we've talked about it. And of course, you know, the main rivalry, and I mean the lead-in to Canadian Stampede was just, you know, we talk about crazy shit going on in the Attitude era, run-ins, non-finishes, interference. You've got all of that multiplied by 20 leading into this event because. You've got the main thing, which is Austin and Brett, right? So, and I think for those who may be coming into this late, let's give you a little bit more background on this. So, what we know is that after Bret Hart lost the title to Sean at WrestleMania 12, he was on hiatus from that April until October of 1996. while he was out, Stone Cold Steve Austin started throwing down challenges to Bret Hart all the time, calling him out, basically saying, get your punk ass back here. And and fight me. So when Brett does return, he immediately is in this feud with Stone Cold Steve Austin. We saw they met at Survivor Series 96. We saw the ending of Royal Rumble 1997, where Brett won, but not really, because no one saw Austin get eliminated. And Austin eliminates Brett. And off we go to WrestleMania 13, where we have the greatest double turn in professional wrestling history, with Austin flipping becoming a face, Brett becoming a heel. Why are you shaking your head? @PCTunney: It's too bad it wasn't for the title. That could have been the greatest title match of all time. Dave Ungar: It could have been. It could have been. And and you know, I I mean they they obviously they had their own Undertaker Sid thing going on. Well, I agree with you. Don't get me wrong. I I agree. It could have been something extra special. You put the title on the line there. @PCTunney: Whoa, whoa, my bad. I forgot Undertaker and Sid. Dave Ungar: Yeah. so anyway, after this stuff, as we mentioned, Hart Brett recruits his brother Owen and the British ball dog. And I think along the way, going to this, isn't this where Brett and Owen finally reconcile after all those years of fighting with each other? Brett basically goes to Owen and Davy Boy on an episode of Raw, says, I need my brother. And he's he's like, I mean, it's very emotional. He's talking to Owen. Owen's got tears streaming down his face because You know, they reconcile after everything that those guys had been through for the from what WrestleMania 10? So for three years they've been at each other, feuding with each other, and they reconcile for this big fight. And I I remember that very distinctly, Brett and Owen reconciling with Davy Boy right there, and everybody just in tears. And it's like, this is really an emotionally charged and awesome moment to see this stuff. so like I said, King of the Ring, Brett challenges, hey. Get five of you assholes together and meet us in Canada. And so Austin says, fine. He jumps into this thing like immediately, I'm there. so @PCTunney: Pretty good team. Dave Ungar: the next day, huh? @PCTunney: Pretty good team he puts together. Dave Ungar: Yeah, but it it's like puts together isn't really the right word. It's like falls together is kind of how these guys all come together. But but it is cool how it all comes to play because the next night on Raw, Austin is gonna fight Pillman, you know, and these guys are have got a big history. but before the match of Heart Foundation, they attack Stone Cold. This prompts mankind replaces him in the match. After the match, Austin and Shamrock they clear the ring of the Hart Foundation. And then, of course, in true Stone Cold stuff, Stone Cold fashion, he gives Shamrock the stunner. So it's like, okay, yeah, you know, what are you expecting? Yeah,

this is Stone Cold Steve Austin. so the following week, Austin and Pillman they fight, and the Hart Foundation members are handcuffed to the ring post, allegedly. But of course, you know. Whoever manufactures handcuffs in the Attitude Era really sucked at these things because everybody was able to get out of them, no matter how sturdy they seem to be. @PCTunney: Are they are they just getting from the porn shop? The ones for the bedroom where you can just get out really if you need to. Is that what's going on? Are we you know, are we just Dave Ungar: Yes. That @PCTunney: removing are we just moving the fluff and the lace and just, you know, taking out there? Come on, guys. Dave Ungar: That's exactly that's exactly what it is. The fluff and the lace and the easily releasable handcuffs. so they get out of this thing. Austin again gets rescued by Shamrock, by Mankind, by Golddust. There's a brawl between Austin and Shamrock because Ken Shamrock isn't gonna take getting stunned lying down. the Legion of Doom shows up, they break this whole stuff all of this shit up. At this point, Goldust says, Hey, look, why don't me, you, Shamrock, Legion of Doom? We'll team up with Steve and we'll accept this five on five challenge. And Austin says, sounds good to me. That's gonna work for me, brother. So then on the June twenty third edition of Raw, the Legion of Doom fought the Goodwins after they won. the Godwins, excuse me, not the good ones. After they won, the Heart Foundation attacks them, not the good ones, yeah. @PCTunney: Is that like is that like the difference between the godfather and the good father? Dave Ungar: Yes, the Godfather and the good father, exactly. @PCTunney: Goodwins are actually like they're New York stock exchange brokers. Dave Ungar: The right the right to censor version. That's right. So after this is over, Hart Foundation, they are gonna attack they attack them, they attack Shamrock. The next week Austin is fighting the Anvil. Brett Hart attacks Shamrock during the match. he then attacks Austin and Brett does that iconic move where he wraps puts a figure four wrapping Austin's legs around the ring post. and you know, so you could see what's going on with this big event, this big five on five thing. And you know, normally Honestly, Tony, I think you and I are on the same page. Mostly we hate these multi-man tag team matches because they just turn into meaningless clusterfucks most of the time. that is not the case here. So this one actually has some weight to it. This is like what Survivor Series used to be, when there used to be like real rivalries and real stakes involved, and all these guys are fighting with each other. And I'm like, I was like, okay, let's get to this thing. This is gonna be a hell of a fight. so anyway, your thoughts on how we get to this. big the main event, the big five on five match with Austin team versus Brett's team and how this all kind of came together. @PCTunney: They are not what I'm about to call them, but they really are if i i i if you know wrestling and and and even everybody in wrestling would agree. There's ten Hall of Famers in this match. Dave Ungar: Yes. I mean @PCTunney: I mean there's not there's right, you know right, that's why I prefaced it the way I did, right? And if you know, you know, and that's where we're gonna sit because that's where we are. But yeah, it's ten we'll we'll just I'll I'll we'll here if you if you want you can cut it and to here. There's ten legends, undeniably, in this match, right? And it Dave Ungar: Right. And I mean @PCTunney: Did such a great job of building these stories back then, and they do it moving forward for a good another at least half decade, where they get guys that are in the middle, a little bit above the middle, and they throw them into storylines consistently with guys in the top, and eventually they're top guys too. You know what I mean? It's just is such a better way of doing it. I know we always used to joke like there's always like There's thirty guys on a card in WWE back then and there's five matches, you know, 'cause there's always multiple, multiple man matches. But you know what? When you have that many good people and you're smart enough to move pull guys in and out of those storylines, and that's what they're doing. Look at who is in that. Like Davies Euro, Owens IC. Technically, technically, technically at the time, Austin is still tag champ with Sean 'cause they haven't vacated it yet, but he doesn't bring it down to the ring, right? So like you have all these people in this match, former champions, and then like, it's just we'll get to the match. But yeah, the the build up was so excellent. When you have all these professionals Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: doing it, they play their roles in the right way. Dave Ungar: Yeah, Owen should be in the Hall of Fame. We know the reasons that he's not in the Hall of Fame. Pillman is the only one that's like iffy, but based on his WCW career standing alone, I mean, he had all sorts of problems in WWE, but when he was in WCW, man, flying Bryan was the bomb. @PCTunney: Did you did you notice how like small his legs were at this point? Like I know he had a lot of problems with whatever was going on there, but yeah. Dave Ungar: Yeah. He had a lot of problems. He and he's gonna be gone in a matter of months. and and that's the unfortunate thing. but by the time we get to Bad Blood, I mean his his death casts Apollo over Bad Blood. That will be our second side quest because it's got the first ever Hell in the Soul match, you know, so @PCTunney: well plus by God it's gotta be our second side quest. I got no wait wait wait wait Dave Ungar: yeah. Well no that's that's @PCTunney: let me cut it. Let me cut it. No, that's bad blood. That's bad blood. Dave Ungar: Well, not not Undertaker Mankind. It's Undertaker Sean at Bad Blood. @PCTunney: No, I know, but by God, that's gotta be bad blood. Yeah, I said it wrong. I said it wrong. I said it

wrong. Yeah. Dave Ungar: that's gotta be, yeah, that's right. It's gotta be that I gotcha. I I gotcha. I gotcha. I gotcha. I I'm with you. speaking of Undertaker, because we're gonna get into a lot of Undertaker, the other big feud going on. Well, I say big feud, this is another one that kind of like evolved. Undertaker ends up fighting Vader at this event, and @PCTunney: Well who was he supposed to fight? Dave Ungar: He's supposed to fight Ahmed Johnson because of the whole s @PCTunney: So we talk about Ahmed Johnson all the time and we're not gonna have many more opportunities to talk about him, right? Because I don't even think he comes back from this knee injury, does he? Dave Ungar: I don't think so. I I I I don't remember, but I I agree with you. I think that this is like the swan song. He was supposed to be supposed to be there @PCTunney: I mean like Dave Ungar: and he gets hurt. He's supposed to fight Undertaker for the championship. This was gonna be Ahmed Johnson's WWF championship opportunity, and he got hurt. @PCTunney: This was his gonna be his well, his biggest push. They put him with the nation, right? He switched from red to use wearing black, right? Like the Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: I think the question here to ask is what could have been for Ahmed Johnson there? Because regardless of what the whatever majority of whatever portion, I'm not gonna say majority, whatever portion of the roster you think had problems with Ahmed Johnson, Vince loved Ahmed Johnson. So what do you think could have been the the the ceiling for what could you think would have been the possibilities for Ahmed Johnson, I should say, instead, if he would have not gotten hurt beer because you don't just put anybody in the ring with with the Undertaker for a championship match, especially on a you know, on a on something people are paying for. Dave Ungar: Right. that's a tough question, man. And and I and I don't like going there with this, but I think with the time frame, I think it's a fair point to make that you know the racial divide in WWF at this time was a real thing. we're not quite at the point where Vince is gonna strap the rocket to the rock and hell boy, yeah, strap the rocket to the rock and go for it. yeah, if Ahmed hadn't self destructed, I I do like like like what you're saying is they had pivoted him into the nation. So they got away from that red superhero new generation-esque sort of thing. And they were looking at positioning him as being you know, that nation of domination thing, like you're saying. I mean, the Black Panther Party, all that kind of stuff. he was ri he would have fit in really well. He wasn't he wearing like a leather beretta or, you know, that sort of beret. @PCTunney: It was something I don't remember exactly. I only seen like the actual like kind of vignette recap stuff. But like to your point Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: though, there's a big difference between The Rock and Ahmed Johnson becoming the first Dave Ungar: God. @PCTunney: black WWE champion. And I can understand why Vince wouldn't want to have put it on Ron Simmons, put it on Farouk because WCW just did it, right? Like so like I Dave Ungar: Right. They already did it. Yeah. @PCTunney: right. And like I mean I I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I understand the viewpoint from their side of it. So I'm wondering if it wouldn't have been, you know, first black world champion mentors first first WWE F world black champion because I know Vince believed in him. And I know he was so believable over so many other people. And if he was just the guy to, you know, catch a few of the top guys' eyes right and worked well with them and knew they could make money, look at Taker. Yeah, he worked with Sean for all those fucking years and he hated that motherfucker of early on. So you know, he probably Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. @PCTunney: got ris more respect from who else than, you Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: know, everybody else. So who knows? I just this is a question to ask because it's not gonna come up much again. Dave Ungar: So when Ahmed gets hurt, Vince pivots to old reliable Vader. You know, and Vader's had more than a few opportunities at the title. He gets announced on that June 23rd episode of Raw as the number one contender for the championship. Undertaker that has to actually team up with Vader in a tournament match for the WWE Tag Team Championship, because I guess that got vacated somewhere along the way. And they go up against the Nation of Dominations team of D Lo Brown and Farouk. @PCTunney: That's Austin and H B K. So it was vacated, technically. Dave Ungar: Right. Right. Right. and this is where Vader and this is where things get weird again. I mean they're already weird. The whole Paul Bearer Undertaker dynamic is strange because Bearer is Vader's manager at this point in time. And Paul Bearer, of course, is forcing the Undertaker do what I tell you to do, or I'm gonna tell a secret. I'm gonna tell on you, Undertaker, I'm gonna tell a secret. And he was kind of threatening that at King of the Ring. so After the match is done, Undertaker attacks Vader. Actually, it's during the match. In the match, he attacks Vader. So the very next week, here's the beginnings of it's gotta be Kane, honey. Because the next week, Paul Bearer tells a secret. And it had been a while since I went back and kind of looked at this whole thing, the revelation of the whole story that was going on with The Undertaker and Mrs. Attitudes out here liking our stuff on Facebook as well. You'd almost think she likes smiling. I know her or something, you know? It's like she's very supportive of us. So @PCTunney: No, she she knows you, she puts up with you, you know, but they're they they're one in the same Dave Ungar: Yes, she does put up with me. Thank God for that, or I'd I'd be a shell of myself without her. But so the story goes, and this is this is the story of Kane. For those of you who may not know about this

and have not heard it before, pull up a seat, grab a whiskey. We're gonna tell the story real quick. Grab a smoke, smoke if you got Johnny. the story of Cain. This is this is interesting. I and I have not read this in a while, but I'm like, okay. So Paul Bearer tells a story like this. Throughout the Undertaker's childhood and his teen years, and I'm stealing this from Wikipedia, so this may not be what Paul said exactly, but whatever. So they live in a funeral home with the parents, and they're half and Undertaker's got a half brother. So, like a half brother? What are you talking about here? according to Paul Bearer, the Undertaker, Studdy's smoking him because he's got him. You're the man. So Bear says the Undertaker killed his parents. And caused his half-brother's face to be bruised and scarred by setting the funeral home ablaze. The Undertaker said bullshit. It was Kane who was the one who burnt the house. And then during attack from so Vader has a match with Rockabilly. There's a blast from the past. Undertaker attacks Vader during this match. And then Paul Bear tells Undertaker he heard from Kane himself the story. Because unbeknownst to The Undertaker. Kane is alive, Undertaker! He's still alive! And Undertaker looks stunned and he survived the fire and all this sort of shit. So there you go. Put your whiskey down. That's the story of Kane. But this story is obviously going to get a lot of traction in the next few months because they. This is back when WWE was so good at slow burning shit, right? You know, so many people complain, and maybe rightfully so, that. Some stuff's too slow nowadays, or they don't know how to tell a story, or you know, that happened too fast. Nobody's ha ever happy, of course. It's pro wrestling and the fans are never happy. But this idea, what what happens with the way that they slow burn this thing from here Canadian Stampede in July to what it goes on till October, where we get to so they they dragged this out for three months before they actually introduced Kane into this whole thing. Mike's Mike's on the stream. He says he believes they were brothers for a decade. they well, story wise, they were brothers for many, many years, Michael, but I get what you're saying. I @PCTunney: Since came to board. Dave Ungar: huh? @PCTunney: since Cain was born, they were brothers? Dave Ungar: Since they were that's right, since they were born they were brothers. Well, half brother, I don't know. @PCTunney: No, since since Cain was born. Dave Ungar: Yeah. There you go. but @PCTunney: When so my biggest question though finding out they're half brothers, I never I know the whole story except the half brother thing. which half? Are they the same mom or the same dad? Dave Ungar: I don't know if they ever talk about that. @PCTunney: But doesn't it come out doesn't it come out at the end that Paul Bearer is their dad and he survived? Dave Ungar: think so. I I I'm I'm sure we will get there eventually. You can you can look that up if you want while we're doing this study. I'm I @PCTunney: I don't know, I don't want to. All I can say is Paul Barron is red hair at the fucking P L E. Dave Ungar: Yeah, he does. He does. He has red hair. Percy Pringle and and and the @PCTunney: just for me. Dave Ungar: you motherfucker. So yeah. @PCTunney: look at that rush. Dave Ungar: This is a bunch of bullshit, Undertaker. so it @PCTunney: This is an old school attitude of aggression podcast, folks. Welcome. Welcome to the entertainment. Dave Ungar: Yeah, the welcome, welcome welcome to the Attitude of Aggression Wrestling podcast and the entertainment section of things. But yeah, so this goes on, you know, and so the whole thing that they're gonna drag this out for the next few months before we actually get to see Kane come out there and and I thought I thought it was really well done. And the way that they did it when he does show up at Bad Blood is just like chef's kiss, boys. That was excellently @PCTunney: Are we Dave Ungar: done. @PCTunney: is Vince gone by then? Dave Ungar: Off commentary? I think so. He's on this one. He's on this one. @PCTunney: Yeah, 'cause I know the only thing I'll miss is the way he starts. We I know the way he s opens the show, like when they actually get past all the stuff and go live into the the crowd, you know, he when he wokes Dave Ungar: yeah. @PCTunney: he's he's good at that. But J R is gonna JR's got the hat on already Dave Ungar: Well no @PCTunney: now, so Dave Ungar: no one no one let's be honest for all of our complaints about Vince on commentary, no one introduced a show. No @PCTunney: Welcome to West O media. Dave Ungar: one introduced the show better than Vince did. Cause he you felt it with Vince. It's like this is the in your Canadian stampede. You know, it's like wow. He sounds like a monster @PCTunney: It was yeah, it was Dave Ungar: truck announcer. @PCTunney: over the top with one hundred percent self belief and confidence added to it. Yeah. Dave Ungar: Yes. You needed that. He nobody sold it. Nobody sold their product better than Vince sold his own product. Absolutely. Without question. the other let's see. So the other one, I mean, the other rivalry heading into this is the continuation. We saw what happened at King of the Ring between Mankind and Triple H. @PCTunney: Yeah. Yeah. Dave Ungar: and one of the better King of the Ring finals of all time that we saw. they fought the finals of King of the Ring, Triple H won, kept attacking Mankind after the match. the day after that, Mankind requested a rematch, to which Triple H says, sure. And on the June 30th edition of Raw, Mankind and Brian Pillman fought in match. Pillman won by a count out after Triple H interferes, and that kind of sets the stage for where we are going into In Your House 16 Canadian Stampede, our first ever side quest. Tiny, you got anything you wanted to add before we get into the actual card of this evening? @PCTunney: Things things have been changing and they're

they're gonna start to change a whole hell of a lot real quick. And I'm not I'm Dave Ungar: yeah. @PCTunney: not gonna I'm not gonna mention specific things because I've already brought them up in the discussion we've just had, which was excellent. So let's just you know, if if you're someone new to the Attitude Era, like this is this would be the perfect podcast for people who like are younger and haven't like watch this live and just could kind of listen to this after watching each show and and kind of feel everything or maybe even before watching it if you don't mind things being spoiled for you, right? So we're Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: we're we're just like yeah the I mean I think the word cussipus needs to be used here today. Because the after today we're we're gonna be all in it as far as SummerSlam goes because we have a big question. Dave Ungar: the you got the greatest title change of all time coming up, right? @PCTunney: H you know what, I'm gonna need another beer now. You son of a biscuit. Dave Ungar: Tony, Tony loves the title change coming up at SummerSlam 97, kids. @PCTunney: You know what? I'm gonna and I'm gonna and I'm gonna correlate the end of this show to why more and more I think it's all bullshit. Dave Ungar: I I know one of the other things that we talked about is the you know the whole backstage situation between Bret Hart and Sean Mike. We talked about that last time, didn't we, Tony? About their actual @PCTunney: We did. Sunny day. Dave Ungar: the sunny days, the real backstage brawl. and of course that has something to do with why Sean is not here. before we get it here, I yeah, he's keep getting better. I gotta ask you. @PCTunney: He's getting worse too. I mean, like we we Yeah. Dave Ungar: I got because my friend Mike is in the chat. I'm gonna post one of his one of He said in the chat up here, but Mike digs the new set here, Tunny. I was gonna ask, what do you think, man? What are the what's going on behind me here? No more virtual background. @PCTunney: was about to compliment you on it but we were fervently efforting when we initially jumped on to see if we could fix a few things that don't really matter to what's happening right now. We were just trying to get our extras that we like to have and everything else. But no it looked Dave Ungar: Yeah. That's right. That's right. I got I got what's that? @PCTunney: It looks it looks great. I think I mentioned to you a couple of months or half a year ago or whatever, a couple times the the background would kick out and it always used to happen to our Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: our good friend Ray Cashington's the ninety fourth as well. And it it's kind of a bummer Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: when that happens. I've just become a I'm lazy and I've become accustomed to having the commissioner's nest behind me. I found the other day with the right light, I have a a bay window over here that shoots it with the wood behind me. It looks amazing. But I do have an idea for another Dave Ungar: Well @PCTunney: setup, but at the same time I gotta find a chair that's good for it. I need to be sitting higher up. So anyway, your shit looks great. Dave Ungar: Well, you don't you don't want to fall into bad lighting. @PCTunney: No, your shit looks great. I know we got you got kind of the UAP thing going on with the U the with the UFOs over the the the pyramids got another one over there. The the Green Day poster which you've had forever that's gotta be the Capitals championship hat. Dave Ungar: It's the nationals cat from twenty nineteen. @PCTunney: sorry, that's what I that's what I meant. I'm sorry. I hadn't started drinking until just before we started, but now I'm drinking. but yeah. Dave Ungar: And of course the license plate. @PCTunney: What no no, hold on. I'm not I'm not there yet. I'm getting to that last. what is next to the capitals hat? Dave Ungar: It's it's another album cover for Foxborough Hot Tubs. it is a a Green Day side project that they did and and I've got the album, the vinyl for that. @PCTunney: 'Cause we got a portion of that up there. It looks great. And then I wouldn't change a Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: thing. I'm just wondering. And then on the other side, what do we got in the upper corner? Dave Ungar: That is actually the you can only see a little bit of it, but it's I think it's the s seventeenth hole at Pebble Beach. it's a a big, a big poster of that. @PCTunney: Okay, great. Okay. Okay. I I I'm man, this is this is getting better, even better. And then of course and what Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: is this is this a something you went out and purchased because it's it's so awesome or at one time was this the license plate on your vehicle? Okay. I don't. Dave Ungar: No at one time. You know the story. You know the story. So this is this is the license plate that was on the Camaro. @PCTunney: Maybe I do. Dave Ungar: it was on the Camaro and then it was on the ooh, Sammy's taking on Kevin Owens tonight. Boy, that'd be great if sa if KO wins a title tonight. Yeah, it's it that's @PCTunney: For the title? Is it for the title? Dave Ungar: I I don't it's I think it might be for the title. I'll have to look. But no, so the so @PCTunney: Should be watching it live. Turn it on. Dave Ungar: The ooh yeah, that was on my Camaro and then it was on my Camry. and it was actually on the car, the the car that got totaled in October. @PCTunney: I hold on. Can I just say way cool way cooler on the Camaro than the Cameron I can't I'm just fucking with you. And then okay, you did you had the act of it, right? Okay, that's right. Dave Ungar: Yes. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean it it it it looked better. No, you're right. It looked it looked better on the Camaro. of course the Camry's air conditioning held out a lot longer than the Camaro's, so there is that. But but no, it was it @PCTunney: I think way more important than older. Dave Ungar: was on the it was on the Camry that got totaled in October, and I

specifically pulled those license plates off the car and told the people at the yard, I'm not surrendering these, I'm gonna put these on the new car. So what did they do? They told DMV that I'd surrendered the license plates. @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: Yeah, so I they don't have because I've got both of So they did not get them. @PCTunney: No, they probably went and applied for the license plate to have it. Did you try to reapply or did you just say fuck it? Dave Ungar: I well when it I tried to reapply and they and it wouldn't go through. and then like I know Mrs. Attitude, she tried to get like woo Ric Flair, which showed up at one place and the and then @PCTunney: now I remember this story. Now I remember this story. Dave Ungar: it it didn't. But I think I I don't know have I showed you the actual new license plates that are on the new car. @PCTunney: I okay, so here's the deal. Much like this story, which I hadn't thought I had heard before, I have. And I think now it's important considering that's in your background, that you have this story documented in the podcast history as well. So Dave Ungar: There it is. @PCTunney: I will tell you after you show me whether or not you've shared me with me before or not. Dave Ungar: Yeah. I don't know. so I went because I couldn't get, ooh yeah, back. Ooh, yeah. I went in a different direction and said, well, let's steer into the other skid of the podcast. And I don't know if you can see that. @PCTunney: yeah, what is it? someth I can't see and okay, I couldn't Dave Ungar: into and to UFOs or into UFOs. @PCTunney: see I couldn't see the N. I could see two UFOs. Yeah. That's nice. I like that. Dave Ungar: So that's it's good. And it's and it's weird. Like that is one of the few for some reason the state of California doesn't like UFO and the title of personalized license plate. UAP, they're fine. But that's the one that I've got that one. Jeremy Corbell has like his is the UFO on his eye. He's got like the Tesla Batmobile, you know, the battle tank. And so that's like the only other one that I've seen where it's got UFOs in the title. @PCTunney: I'll let D P disclose he has a vanity license plate. I'll let him dispose it at his but his his dad, God rest his soul, one of the greatest men I've ever known in my life. D P's dad is war veteran and just a beautiful, amazing man that shared a lot with us and is we miss him every day. But he was was was of Fortunate enough with or without quotations around fortunate enough to basically witness us watch Monday Night Raw during the Attitude Era. And as we're gonna move on in the Attitude Era, and he didn't hate wrestling, but he was a big boxing fan, but he loved the pageantry. He would become and it's funny that this came up and I'm wearing what I'm wearing right now. And I'm telling this story for a reason, because it's come full circle and we can move on. I'm wearing this is Kurt Angle shirt and it you can see it's true, right? And that Dave Ungar: Yes, it's

true. @PCTunney: that was his license plate. It's true. Because he was a cur Dave Ungar: nice. @PCTunney: because he was a Kurt Angle fan on a an American blue PT cruiser. Dave Ungar: Let me put our friend Mike's comment up here so you can see. Cause I think he's fe this is a lot of people. This a good bunch of people only know the attitude era, and that's true. I felt like most of my friends dropped off in grade school and then came back for the Generation X. I think that's a really accurate statement by Mike. I know a lot of people after Hogan left and the new generation came in there and they started doing all those goofy fucking gimmicks that they were doing. a lot of people are like Mike's friends and said, I'm the fuck out of here. And they jumped off. And then they and then, yeah, I think around I mean, certainly after the screw job takes place, everybody is back on the WWE bandwagon. But they're slowly coming back at this point in time because DX is not completely formed yet. They're getting there, but it's really not until yeah, I think after SummerSlam, after the title change takes place, that's really kind of where it starts to really ramp up, right? @PCTunney: Well, the the widespread national phenomenon starts when we know we're getting Austin and HBK at WrestleMania. And then well then Dave Ungar: With Tyson. With Tyson. @PCTunney: you pour the gas on already well lit fire and with Mike Tyson. And then what happens is two things. Steve Austin becomes an American icon and a national treasure, right? And kids can't stop crotch chopping at high schools and it gets becomes a national media thing. I was in high school. I was in high school. I never crotch Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: I probably crotch chop a couple of times and I was a huge wrestling fan and and my buddy actually had, I think Pro Wrestling Torch. Is that Wade Keller, right? Yeah. So we had a Dave Ungar: Yeah, Wade Keller's the thing, yeah. @PCTunney: pro wrestling torch when I was in the high school in the late nineties. And we would we would we get to school early to meet by our lockers with a group of people and read it all together. And yeah man, it was just It was a great time. It was a great time to be i in high school during the Monday Night Wars, but yeah. Dave Ungar: It really was. I mean, and it's like for me, I'm what like ten years older than you. So I'm in my mid twenties, @PCTunney: For your late twenties. Dave Ungar: late twenties by this point in time, by ninety-seven. So I've been out here, yeah. I mean, I'm like almost thirty at this point in time. But yeah, it's it's just everything's just red hot at this point in time. And like while you're saying when Austin stuns Vince at Madison Square Garden, that really is @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: where it goes. @PCTunney: So what I'm doing right now watching back then is I'm watching we have cable, right? And we have cable like in like There's four of us living in the house, so in four different places, because that's just the way it was. And I was fortunate enough Dave Ungar: Yeah. Right. @PCTunney: that, you know, we weren't rich in any means and we weren't maybe the lower upper middle class, but we were middle class and my parents worked hard and we did a lot of chores, but we had a great life. So and V CRs. We had V CRs. So I'm watching the first hour of WCW. Dave Ungar: Nitro, yeah. @PCTunney: And then I'm recording the last two hours of WCW while I watch the two hours of Raw live. And then I'm fast forwarding through the commercials and watching, and then I'm going to bed by midnight and going to high school by seven or Dave Ungar: And that's what you had to do back in the day to get to figure it all out. Cause it wasn't like now where you just D @PCTunney: I couldn't I couldn't Dave Ungar: VR this shit or watch it on demand. @PCTunney: Well, but at the same time I couldn't go to school the next morning and not know what happened on both shows. Dave Ungar: That's right, you get called out for that shit. So but no, it's it's it's yeah, it's it's a good time. And and for people who are new to this show, you know, if you're watching on X because this is happening over there for the first time in months, thank you. just to make sure you understand, we did not skip everything and just go straight to nineteen ninety-seven. no, no, no. If you'd been with us since the @PCTunney: Yeah, there's a background for you. Dave Ungar: we have started from WrestleMania one and covered every single big four slash big five pay-per-view. In chronological order, including 1995 kids, we have earned this. We @PCTunney: So that means Dave Ungar: have earned the right to do this. @PCTunney: this point we've done a deep dive like we're doing today on every WrestleMania, every SummerSlam, every Royal Rumble, every Survivor series, and every King of the Ring, up until this point we've covered in WWE history, starting with WrestleMania One. So that's why and and you know what? Like I just want to reemphasize it again. Like I think it's really important to you and I And and they're like DJ as well. And I think Rob's getting it. And I know there's a whole other other people that hopefully will come in and stay with us on a regular basis. But becoming a WWE historian, this is what you need to do. You need to go back and watch this stuff. You need to have watched all of it. You need the whole whole history. And that's why we sit here to this day and that's why we cover this more than anything else, because it's continued to be great, right? Like there's so many great things going on. I'm so happy about that and all the professional wrestling. that there's more options than ever. But for us, you know, like people are like, well, I've watched this from the beginning. I've watched this from the beginning. Well, no one's watched more anything from a more beginning than what we're doing right now. So and we love we're not Dave Ungar: Than us. Yeah. Well I'm @PCTunney: we're not

we're not gatekeeping it either. And we're not mad Dave Ungar: No. @PCTunney: at anybody that likes anything else. If you love professional Dave Ungar: Well. @PCTunney: wrestling in whatever way you love it, great. Dave Ungar: Yeah, man. If you love AEW, cool. It's awesome. MLW, even better. NJPW, TNA, it's all good. You know? But on that note, let's get into this thing. So, July 6th, 1997, Canadian Airlines Saddledome, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. We've got Vince McMahon still on commentary. Tony, I'm sorry. we're getting there. We're getting there. No, it it @PCTunney: Wasn't so bad this time actually. And I literally I literally just watched this too, so Dave Ungar: Yeah, it r he wasn't bad this time. JR's there. Jerry the King Lawler. They're all on commentary. They're all wearing cowboy hats, too. @PCTunney: Yes, yes, yes. So J R the wearing the hat he would become famous for, I think, finally, right? Dave Ungar: Yeah, yeah. And I think it it's it's really important that, you know, the homage that they said that they set forth with this event, Canadian Stampede, I mean, that is of course the name of one of the biggest rodeos that was ever in existence. that was going on in Calgary for that long period of time. So they were very much aware of, you know, the lineage of the Canadian Stampede, the Calgary Stampede. Stampede Wrestling was also Stu Hart's organization, his promotion that Brett was such a big part of. So it all is tied in together, and that's why Canadian Stampede makes more sense. Was there an undercard where there are dark matches, Tunny? I don't I don't even remember if there were dark matches. @PCTunney: There was one match on the free for all. It was the Godwinds got defeated by the new blackjacks. That's right. Blackjack Bradshaw and Blackjack Wyndham. I remember I remember Bradshaw and and Windham teaming up. I remember this. And I remember going, Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: that could be really good. But Windham was kind of on his way out and Layfield was kind of green and wasn't with the right guy yet. So I'm glad Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: it didn't work out, but man, did that have potential if those two guys were together in their prime? Like once Bradshaw found his way with with you know with with Ron Simmons, if you would have put that guy with like a peak Barry Windham, wow, that's a hell of a tag team. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Very very I mean, other than his little run with Rotundo that they did back at WrestleMania One where they are the champions, the US Express, they never got his gimmick right in WWF. You know, they went from the widow maker to this whole black Jack Windham nonsense. It's like he's one of @PCTunney: Way better than WCW. Dave Ungar: the best of all time. Why couldn't you guys get that right? I mean, I I don't know. But @PCTunney: think maybe a Vince W C W guy thing that we did just didn't know because it didn't kind of show itself Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah. @PCTunney: like it does now or did at the end of

his time. Dave Ungar: Yeah, that's very true. so let's get into it. Hunter Hurst Helmsley, who is the 1997 King of the Ring, as we just talked about. Take a bow. He's got China with him, taking on mankind in this rematch from what we had to King of the Ring. And I'll tell you right now, Tony. This is one of the better non finishes you will ever see. And we hate non finishes. And we talk about how we Don't like non-finishes, but this one, this one is a good one, even though it doesn't end conclusively at all. What were you gonna say? @PCTunney: Well, they tell the story throughout the night, and I think this is one of the first times they've ever done this. Dave Ungar: That's true. That's true. @PCTunney: Have they ever cut back to the guy like I know you're I'm I'm I might be spoiling it, I'm sorry, but like, you know, you kinda ask the broad question to it. You know what I'm saying? Cre Creative Dave Ungar: Yeah. No, I get what you're saying. @PCTunney: creatively, this feels like a first. I don't think I've ever seen this before really. Dave Ungar: Yeah, the way they keep going back to it. I mean, it it's very yeah, it it that that is very true. it's a very good match while the match is li going on with all sorts of outside interference by China. I mean, China's she's she's as involved in the match as the two guys who are involved in the match. you know, there's multiple chair shots. There's multiple nut shots, Tony. And there's a wicked clothesline on the ring floor by China. mankind is going to apply the mandible claw on Triple H in the corner. But China's gonna grab his legs, drags him to the ring post for one last nutshot. Triple H of Mankind in China, they just brawl into the crowd. The Calgary into the Calgary Flames penalty box. @PCTunney: LB box, yes. Dave Ungar: it a it it it the whole thing results in a double count out as these guys continue. The two guys and the girl continue to brawl all the way to the back. One of the big things about this match, I don't know. @PCTunney: You're good. You'll find out when you play Dave Ungar: I @PCTunney: the episode. Dave Ungar: I hope it comes through. I really do. Sometimes they don't come through on the recording either. @PCTunney: It was hockey. It was it was it was the goal horn for the penalty box. Dave Ungar: nice. There you go. one of the things about this match that is very interesting in is that mankind during this match starts to morph into cactus jack a little bit. and you start to see some of the cactus like the leaping from the ring, from the ring to the floor doing the elbow drop is a cactus jack maneuver, not a mankind maneuver. And you get to see some of that happen in this match. And not far, not long after this match, Tunny, what happens? Cactus Jack shows up in WWF. and the Mankind persona kind of goes to the wayside a little bit, but Cactus Jack is there. And I think that's a pretty cool development. And of course, that's going to lead to the three faces of Foley and all that

sort of dude. Love's going to emerge from this whole thing. So it really this is a very important match because this is where you start to see that evolve and that start to develop. The Cactus Jack persona comes out in this match, bleeding through the Mankind mass, so to speak. But I I'll go to you first to talk about the match and then kind of the emergence of Cactus Jack showing up it gradually emerging as this match goes on, a different sort of style, and that's going to pay pay big dividends as they move forward here in the attitude. @PCTunney: It's funny, we we got back to a point I was trying to get to, and then we went on a side quest and I forgot about it like I always do. And I probably created the side quest. I'm probably gonna forget the point I was gonna make Dave Ungar: Probably. @PCTunney: right now, but I'm remembering it, so here we go. Mankind and the three phases of Foley, along with Kane, were Vince's outlet to continue to create the characters that he loved to create while moving away from everybody having to have an occupation to be a character. esque kind of booking right you know that does that make sense like Dave Ungar: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It does. @PCTunney: he that's why he loved Mick Foley so much he knew he could utilize cactus jack but he knew he couldn't bring him in as cactus jack and if you read Foley's books and you see the early iterations of what mankind was supposed to be and what they wanted him to have right and then you know once he found out about dude love he he already had experienced These and he was like, fucking course! Good god, yes, this is my favorite, you know? And i it's just mankind, Mick Foley is and I've said this before, possibly the most important part of the Attitude Era. Really is because of the what he did building up to its peak and what he did through its peak and even until his greatest WrestleMania moment with Edge. I mean the guy just delivered. Dave Ungar: Yeah, yeah. The the WrestleMania match with Edge is i it's great. But like the great thing about Mick Foley is he was able to kind of escape that 'cause Vince tried to typecast him a certain way. Cause I agree with you that's like, well, we can't bring him in as cactus, let's do our own thing. And Mankind was this maniacal, crazed villain who was the first guys we've said on the show many times in the past, especially you and me, whenever we've done these things just, you know, you and me together. mankind being Undertaker's greatest opponent. At a time when Undertaker desperately needed a true challenge to him, because he'd gone through the giant Gonzales and the King Mables. And, you know, Jake is Jake. That that's a different story. But he'd gone through all that shit. And Yokazuna was, of course, a b a great challenge for Undertaker as well. But he needed a different sort of challenge, and Mick fully presented that. But it also kind of typecast Mick into a certain role. But he was able to escape that. Because Vince actually started

to do something that was very non Vince like and talking about his past and who he really was. And you gotta give JR credit as well, 'cause he was the one who really amplified that and brought that forward and humanized that and made Mick Foley like not just the crazed mankind character, and that @PCTunney: He also put over an over out of shape kind of guy. Like look at the tendon strength, Dave Ungar: Yes. @PCTunney: look at the tendon strength. You know, like that's that's like that guy has no muscles but he's strong. Dave Ungar: Well, no, that that that's a great point though, because we were evolving, like we talked about so many times, is like the body guys who Vince was in love with, the Hogans and the Warriors and the Rick Roods and and that and all of that stuff. And then, you know, why he went with Big Daddy cool over Brett, because, you know, Kevin Nash was the body guy. And here you get to see some of the stuff like he what he pivoted to Sean, who was not a body guy, but it was in tremendous shape, don't get me wrong. Tr amazing athlete. But here with mankind, this is something totally different. You know, it's like, okay, this guy is you know he's he's a little bit out of shape, let's be honest. but the things he can do in the ring, the type of matches he can put on, the way he can enchant an audience with just his ring, his ringmanship, if that's a word. I think it's a word. and it's just it's a big progression for Vince that's going to pay off big time as we get into the attitude era. @PCTunney: Think about the style that Vince likes to put out in the ring. And mankind can make that real. Like without doing like even he even all even before flippy shit, guys, Vince still wanted these guys to be able to tell a ring, tell tell a ring, tell a story without being ridiculous in the ring. You can have your moments, but they have to be worth something. lesson to be learned for the future that some people still haven't learned to this day. Dave Ungar: That's for sure. as we roll along here, we get footage of Calgary absolutely adoring the Hart Foundation, especially Brett. and and the love fest between Calgary and the Hart Foundation is in full stride. Backstage, Stone Cold's gonna be trying, he tries to get to Brett Hart, but he's held back as by security. As Brett proclaims they don't want to beat up Stone Cold five on one, they want to do it five on five. And you know, so this is another theme of the night. Austin just can't wait to get his hands on Bret Hart and the Hart Foundation, but he's gonna have to wait a little bit, Tony. That's just the way it goes. then we get this interesting light heavyweight match. Takamishinoku gonna take on the great Sasuke. of course, the beginning of the match, though, it gets delayed because of what you're talking about. Mankind and Triple H they come back with China, they're still brawling all over the arena. so they can't actually like start the match until these guys clear out. And it's just it's it's funny because it's like, yeah, like you're saying, they're just fighting, and it's just three of them just throwing down. Well, I mean, China's not really throwing down with Hunter, but you know what I mean. They're fighting with each other, it's going all over the place. Taka and Sasuke are just like, what the fuck is going on here? and it's just it's it's kind of fun and it's funny. one of the interesting things is that this match, and I I'm looking this up. So this was gonna be Vince wanted to officially launch this new light heavyweight division by showcasing these Japanese legends, Sasuke and Takamashinukar. And of course, Taka's gonna be around for a while. But Vince, his hidden plan, what what Vince wanted to do was he wanted to put Sasuke the great Sasuke over in this match. And he wanted to make him the cornerstone of this new light heavyweight division. however. Sasuke, the great Sasuke, whatever, reportedly bragged to the Japanese media that he would only defend the WWE Light Heavyweight Championship in Japan, and he refused to lose on WWE F television at this time, Tunny. McMahon caught wind of this diva like attitude, pivoted entirely, and signed the guy who was supposed to lose, Takamishunuku, to a full time contract instead. And this is the great Sasuke's only. WWE pay per view appearance. This whole notion of not wanting to lose to certain people or in certain places or on television. What does that sound like, Tony? That sounds like something's gonna happen in about where are we in July. Four months from now, we're gonna run into the same problem and with a much more dramatic ending. @PCTunney: It's really weird watching this match too because hi guys, the great Sasuke is kind Dave Ungar: He's back. @PCTunney: of interesting. Takas there Dave Ungar: He is @PCTunney: too, Takas kind of getting over at the end and they had a decent enough match and JR really putting over the great Sasuke. Did Tsuke won, didn't he? Dave Ungar: I think so. Let me let me look at this. I think you're right. I think he does win this match. But I okay, so the Yeah. @PCTunney: He must must something afterwards because there's no belt involved. There's no inclination of what would go happen here afterwards. It was just like an exhibition, basically. They had talked about it, but like I think I think after winning this he said something maybe and then they went with talk because I know they go with Taka. I don't remember who Taca beats. Who Dave Ungar: Bride. it he's he's involved later on in some other stuff go coming down the line, but what I've got @PCTunney: Cock is the original WWE light heavyweight champion. I don't remember who he beats Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: though. It's not a pay per view. We'll get to it I guess. It's coming. Coming soon. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember off the top. It is coming. I've got this I've got @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: the description of this match, Tony, as light heavyweight gold. This is what I I

thought of this match. I thought they they put on a fucking clinic in this match is these light heavyweights they go. it's it's an excellent, it's a back and forth affair. it's got some, you know, you've got stiff kicks in here by Sasuke, an aerial assault by Taka. Sasuke is gonna survive the Mishinuku driver. I mean, Jesus, everybody uses that move now. This is where the move starts, guys. It's in this match. Taka Mishinuku with the Mishinuku driver, huh? @PCTunney: Well the that and the when you the guy lay the guy's laid out in the middle of the ring flat backed and he sits up and you bounce off the ropes and do the sit down drop kick, he does that in this match too, and I don't think you've seen that yet on Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: WWE television, so Dave Ungar: Yeah. but Sasuke survives that move, the Mishinuku driver, and then he's gonna crush Taka with a midair drop kick, a power bomb, and the Tiger suplex. and because of all that, the great Sasuke, you're right, Tony, he gets the hard earned victory. and like you were saying, they were in the description I was going off of that one, I think, you know, Vince. So what must have happened is that this was the original plan. Vince wanted to put the belt on Sasuke. and after this match was over, that must be where Sasuke goes and he starts bragging to the Japanese media about what's gonna happen. Vince pivots and he goes with Taka from here on out. and I think that's what happens, but it doesn't take away from the fact that these two guys put on a hell of a match here, Tony. They just @PCTunney: I Dave Ungar: they tore the house down. You saw some stuff that you hadn't seen before. from the from these guys. And you know, Taka's gonna be a mainstay for what with Kai and Thai and all that shit that's coming up later on. And but I thought this was a hell of a match. @PCTunney: It it it's i So I guess I guess I'm missing out on I I I guess I miss maybe you know, scoring this match because I was I was kind of watching the crowd. And and folks, it's crazy. This is such a fun podcast for me to do today because I literally watched this and then Raw leading up to us doing this podcast. So I vividly remember watching. And I was kind of watching the crowd and the American crowd was not into this to begin with. But they did win them over. They really did about three, four minutes in, and it was a solid and Taca l had charisma. when he was starting to get his his stuff in towards the end of the match. But Sasuke looked old and I I don't know. I I I it could be rumors started by Vince too, because he didn't look great. I would have went with Taca too after watching this if I hadn't seen them both before. Dave Ungar: Another weird thing about Canadian Stampede because we're in Calgary, and you're like, you know, the crowd is just red hot. They they the crowd really puts this event over on a different level because they were so red hot for this thing. @PCTunney: All right. It's like international crowds nowadays. Dave Ungar: Yeah, yeah. you know who's sitting ringside at this event? If you really look closely, a future legend. @PCTunney: natty? Dave Ungar: No, no. You know what happens when you get this question wrong, Tunny? You you you know what happens when you don't know who's sitting at ringside at Canadian Stampede? You know, you know what happens? @PCTunney: Is it is it Wait, let me be serious for a minute. Is it Land Storm? Dave Ungar: No, it's not Land Storm. @PCTunney: But but if but if but I know but but if you know, then you know I know the answer, right? So Dave Ungar: Yeah, I know. Tunny, you just made the list because sitting @PCTunney: is it is it Sagiricle? Dave Ungar: Jericho's a 26-year-old under contract with WCW at this point in time, but he is at ringside and he's kind of trying to keep a low profile because he doesn't want the guys in WCW to see him there. But you got to remember that you know Jericho trained in Calgary, started his career in Calgary, he snagged some tickets, he's got his close friends, the heart family. The Hart Foundation, everybody in the Hart family, they're his close friends at this point in time. So Jericho's at ringside, and it's not going to be that much longer, realistically, before he ends up in WWE. A couple years. @PCTunney: The entire Hart family's sitting ringside as well, so it makes sense. Dave Ungar: Yeah, yeah. So I thought that was very interesting. He didn't want WCW management to see him there and penalize him for going to a WWE event, but it's it's kind of cool that he's there. @PCTunney: Cal so you're telling me so you're telling me Calgary is Jericho? Dave Ungar: Calgary is Jericho. That's right. I don't think he's ever put Calgary on the list though, but @PCTunney: Is he is he from Winnipeg or from Calgary? Dave Ungar: He's from Winnipeg. Yeah, but I think he trains in Calgary with the with the whole Hart family and that sort of thing in the dungeon, I'm sure. So @PCTunney: I mean, yeah, if you're if you're Canadian and you haven't at least once, you know, you're kinda not a Canadian then. Dave Ungar: Yeah. If you haven't been stretched by Stu in the dungeon yet, then yeah. Natty must have been pretty young at this point in time, I would say. @PCTunney: I think I I okay, we'll we'll get to that at the end when all they pour in. Dave Ungar: okay, so like you're saying, we've we've still got we've got the ongoing mankind and triple H. They continue to brawl backstage as Triple H is going to break a shovel over mankind's back, and mankind flings a bloody Triple H into some beer kegs. I mean, we've got we got beer kegs back there. Stay away from the dipping dots, Tony. yeah. @PCTunney: Molsa molse and ice. Molson Ice kegs back. Dave Ungar: God, you know, I I used to love Molson Golden back in the day. It's so hard to find that in the States now, if you even can. You got to go to Canada to find Molson was the shit back in the day. Molson and Moosehead, when I was underage drinking back

in the day, you know, when I wasn't always a lawyer and I was breaking the laws, I would in buy occasionally. @PCTunney: Yeah, you went to Can went to Canada for beer. Dave Ungar: Yeah, well, no. We would we would get good Canadian imports in DC, but Let's get into one of the big matches on this event. Vader with Paul Bearer taking on Undertaker for the WWF Championship. This is another very good match between these two excellent big men. I mean, they these guys had a very good match of this thing. there's lots of interference from Paul Bearer, who berates Undertaker repeatedly, calling him a murderer. He's calling him you're a murderer. yeah. @PCTunney: Well yeah. Dave Ungar: You fucking killer, you so yeah, that's that's going on, kids. @PCTunney: Man, I'm gonna clip that. Dave Ungar: please do you fucking murderer? so anyway, late in the match, Undertaker is going to prevent a Vader bomb by going for a low blow, and then he goes choke slams Vader off of the middle rope. Vader's able to survive one more choke slam, but @PCTunney: Some out. Yeah. Dave Ungar: cannot survive the tombstone as Undertaker. retains the WWF championship. @PCTunney: Missed the you missed the botch. They went for the double rollover on the on the tombstone first and it turned into Dave Ungar: yeah. @PCTunney: like a a rollover kind of pin attempt where Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: Taker had Vader and then tried Vader he went back and Vader was supposed to keep him up, but Vader like fell on his ass, so he just it it actually worked out like Yeah, you remember Dave Ungar: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. @PCTunney: that? This is what happens, Dave, when I watch it right before we podcast. I'm sorry. Dave Ungar: Well, I'm glad you did. It's been months since I saw this thing. but no, you're right. That was where he he he does that whole @PCTunney: Then they've transitioned from that into the choke slam. Dave Ungar: Right. I think like you're saying that so he Vader was able to shift his weight on the tombstone, but he couldn't maintain his weight, and then he falls backwards and okay, right. @PCTunney: roll them back out. Dave Ungar: but yeah, what'd you think of this one? I mean, this was a this was a solid match between these two guys. I mean, they they have had a few. Undertaker and Vader, for a lot of the shit that Vader gets for his WWF run, which is all kind of motivated by the the shit that happened with Sean at SummerSlam, which of course, as we said numerous times, Sean has r apologized for being a prick at that point in time. But you know, Vader gets a lot of shit, but I think Tony, he he showed in this match just what he could do. And and these guys put on an excellent match between these two big men that I didn't have any problem. I was entertained. I was sports entertained by this match. Of course, the right person wins because we've got a ways to go on this whole situation. But what'd you think of Vader in this match? I thought other than I understand he botches

that, but he was he looked pretty good. @PCTunney: I I thought two things in this well, three things. One, taker is great, obviously, and you'd think that every time he comes out there and he's not injured. two, I already talked about Good grief. Well I can't remember his name right now. Who's supposed to fight Jaker? Dave Ungar: Who's that? Ahmed Johnson. Yeah. @PCTunney: I'm at Johnson. I kept thinking of Ezekiel Jackson for some reason. Yeah, I right. I know, I know, I know. and and Dave Ungar: There, well, I mean @PCTunney: and then You know, the the third thing is what if Vader could have gotten in shape ever and cared. Dave Ungar: Or better shape. @PCTunney: And and and just a little bit on that portion, but more so, worked with guys. Learned how to be more like Taker and less like Vader. Learned how to Dave Ungar: Right. @PCTunney: more make it look good as opposed to it good. Dave Ungar: Maybe not work as stiff as he habitually did. @PCTunney: How higher could you have How higher could you have gone if you could have gotten a little better shape? A and that's the point I was making, as far as look good, as far as hit good, right? Like he wanted to make sure it connected. He didn't want it to look bad. But you just hurt too many people and and you weren't in great shape. Dave Ungar: Well, what did we say what it was on last time with the whole thing with Vader and Shamrock, right? Where he w he stiff Shamrock in that match and Shamrock's like, That's not gonna work for me, brother. He beat the fuck @PCTunney: Well that Dave Ungar: out of him. @PCTunney: it well it started back when he when Sean was like, What the fuck? Remember when we were talking about I can't remember what show that was at, but he kind of Yeah, Dave Ungar: Yeah. SummerSlam Summerslam ninety six. Yeah. @PCTunney: and we were like, Yeah man, this is probably the beginning of the end, and sure enough, you know, like it it's tough. It's it's tough because you're a big guy, right? But and you can and he can still move in here. I I I I remember him he doesn't leapfrog o do a leapfrog, but he does a d a step over. taker does a drop down, he does a step over. And it's really coordinated and like a guy that can move with his feet. But he's just like even twenty pound even Dave Ungar: Well no @PCTunney: twenty twenty pounds and work safer is huge. Dave Ungar: Right. I mean it's like I don't think it's like, you know, you're not drawing comparisons like Yokozuna, who we've talked about so much. If he could have just stopped eating, how much more could how greater could he have been? @PCTunney: No, but think about this. Vader minus fifty pounds and works Dave Ungar: Foo. @PCTunney: with people. my god. You're you're you're multiple you're Dave Ungar: If he let's draw the comparison. @PCTunney: multiple time WWE champion. How many did you actually win? None. Dave Ungar: Zero. I mean, I think he was a tag champ. I don't know. Was he a tag champ? I think he was a tag champion. But look, @PCTunney: I don't know what he wanted. He wanted W C W but whatever. Dave Ungar: yeah, but I mean, draw a current analogy. If he pulled like what Bronson Reed has just done, dropping @PCTunney: I've agreed. Yeah. Dave Ungar: a hundred pounds. and look the difference that it's probably gonna make for Bronson Reed. You know, he won't be breaking his ankle. now I don't see him doing any I it would be the dumbest thing that they ever did if they put him in war games and let him anywhere near jumping off the top of the war games cage. But @PCTunney: it's good. Dave Ungar: that, huh? @PCTunney: gonna happen. Dave Ungar: Well, probably. I hope not. But we'll see. I'm sure he's gonna wanna do it. But I I think you're right. You know, if Vader drops a hundred pounds, man, what a difference that would make. But @PCTunney: You said hundred. I said I I said twenty and work better, fifty and work b and work safer. Dave Ungar: Fifty. @PCTunney: You're huge. Hundred. Hundred and and like actually like be a guy that lifts everybody up. Legend. It's time, it's time, it's Vader Dave Ungar: Yeah. But I I mean in f @PCTunney: time. His arms are huge. Dave Ungar: Yeah. And like what we've said on this show is like, you know, we we said that, you know, Vader's I know DJ said it, 'cause it was one of the shorts that we did from one of the episodes, was he was saying how Vader's run in WWE was very, you know, underwhelming, disappointing. And it is, but at the same time you start looking at the guy got a lot of really high profile matches. He had multiple title shots. I mean, this is another champion. He got a title shot at Sean and he actually beat Sean twice in that match, but it didn't count. he gets a this shot against Undertaker right as we're about to get Undertaker, you know, going into this whole thing with Kane. So yeah, disappointing, but clearly @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: Vince saw enough in Vader to he was a good stopgap for a lot of things, you know. @PCTunney: You heard of Rent a Cop? Dave Ungar: Yeah. Runner he was the run a cop. @PCTunney: Yeah. Yeah. Dy di Dial a heel. Dave Ungar: dial a heel. He was a transitional heel, that's that's for sure. @PCTunney: I mean instant credibility, just looking at him. Like you didn't even need to know who he was if you were in the arena and you were gonna get a reaction. Hit this massive man with that bad attitude and that mask coming out, you were gonna get that every single time. Is it are there ghosts coming in over there? Dave Ungar: No. It I'm just trying to get my dogs to stop, you know, whatever they're doing over here. @PCTunney: Well that that's what I that that's what I I thought ghosts came in. That's why I said ghost. It was a He's he's a good Dave Ungar: No, he's ghost is asleep. He's he's he's kicking it. One of the other ones is is he's a he's he's a good podcast doc. @PCTunney: Yeah. Dave Ungar: the other two sometimes they get a little restless. But anyway, let's let's keep rolling. It was a

good match. Vader, you know, put up a good effort. Undertaker retains. He's gonna go on to where we're gonna go with the greatest title change in all of SummerSlam history coming up next our next event. all right. @PCTunney: I'm gonna I I swear to God, you can do the rest of the when you're on your own. Dave Ungar: Stu Helen Hart their ringside with the premier of the province of Alberta. This is how big an event this was. We got the premier of Alberta province who's there in the audience to see the main event. the look. And I think at this point it's it's worth mentioning because I put it in my notes, so that's it's it's worth mentioning. At this point in time, the crowd in Calgary has been. @PCTunney: They sing they sing the Canadian national anthem. Dave Ungar: Yes, they do. They do. They don't sing the American National. Like, fuck you guys. @PCTunney: No. Dave Ungar: which is very apropos now since Trump is threatening to like sanction the EU for supporting Canada. It's a hostile act. @PCTunney: One of I was like one of I was like, I guess. The other one was like okay and the other one I was like, Yeah. Dave Ungar: Yeah. but but the cr a exactly but the crowd has been electric all night. This crowd in Calgary is like like you said, I think it is a really good comparison. When you look at the international crowds that we get nowadays, this was like that, but go back to nineteen ninety seven, which was unheard of. I mean, you just didn't see crowds like this. in the in America I mean, I say that, but that's not true. Like Madison Square Garden's a different story. Chicago, that, you know. @PCTunney: Well it's a they're they're they're not there. They're they're about to sell out for a long time, but they're not there yet. Dave Ungar: They're not there yet. And like we said at the beginning, this is so interesting because it's the reversal of what's going on in the States where Brett is @PCTunney: Related. Dave Ungar: hated, Austin's getting cheered. This is the bizarro land because we're going to take this and completely reverse it in this match. And let's talk about the main event for Canadian Stampede. So, as we mentioned, we've got Gold Dust, Ken Shamrock, the Legion of Doom, and Stone Cold Steve Austin taking on Brian Pillman, Jim the Anvil Nightheart. The British Bulldog with Diana Smith. he is, @PCTunney: Miss Calgary. Dave Ungar: as you mentioned, huh? She is Miss Calgary. That's right. @PCTunney: She's missing. Yeah. Dave Ungar: She's Miss Calgary. Davy Boy is the European champion at this point in time. @PCTunney: Yes. Dave Ungar: Owen Hart, like you said, the Intercontinental Champion. And Brett, the Hitman Hart. the Hitman comes out, Tony, to look, let's be honest. Is that one of the loudest pops you've ever heard? I mean, it is a fucking madhouse when Bret Hart comes out here at Canadian Stampede. These people in Calgary lose their collective shit. It is literally, I'm not kidding you guys, if you have not seen this, go back and watch this event. It is on Netflix. it is one of the loudest pops you will ever hear in a small arena like this, like in the Saddle Dome. it's it's awe-inspiring to listen to that ovation that Bret Hart gets here. @PCTunney: They did a great job of building it too, right? Like Pillman came out and then the Anvil came out and then Davy Boy came out with Ms. Calgary gave her and then and then Dave Ungar: And it just keeps getting bigger and it gets bigger. Yeah. @PCTunney: Owen. Owen's pop was was Yeah, Dave Ungar: Huge, huge. @PCTunney: I mean and then of course you knew like the the you knew I like once Pillman stayed at the top of the ramp, I'm like, okay, this is what we're doing and that's that's the right call. Like Whoever made the call to do what they did for that five van entrance was was was absolutely perfect. Dave Ungar: Yeah, and I mean, even though Austin is hated, he still gets a pretty decent reaction. I mean, it's not haul as @PCTunney: he does. Ken and Shamrock gets a really good reaction too. So like they're not they're not stupid, but they do the right thing Dave Ungar: Yeah, they they get it's right. @PCTunney: overall, right? Dave Ungar: Right. And they know. And and like I I love what you said because they do the entrance of the Canadian heroes so well because it's just like they're like, let's do it in ascending order of popularity. What's gonna get what's gonna build on the next one? Okay, Brian, Anvil, yeah. Davy boy's gonna get a big pop with his wife. Owen's gonna get a really big pop, and then you bring out the man himself, Brett the Hitman Hart. I agree with you 100%. It is one of the smartest booking decisions that Vince made masterfully. Created, just just this crescendo of this roar that gets louder and louder with each guy who comes out, and it's just beautifully done. @PCTunney: With without question in my mind, I can declare this the greatest five man TA team entrance ever. Dave Ungar: Yes, I agree with you and honestly, I don't know if I've ever seen a better @PCTunney: I never do have a come to a conclusion like that in my life. Dave Ungar: No, I it's accurate. And I don't know if I've ever seen a better 10 man tag team match than this one. Yeah, @PCTunney: yeah. I agree. I agree. Dave Ungar: I this is this is probably the best multi-man tag team. I mean, you know, there's been some good six man matches, but when you get up to five on five like this, this is the best one that I can ever recall seeing. I just I'll throw that out there right now. and yeah, it's all ten guys, they go at it in this match. I mean, they're all and they're all on fire and you know, the hatred, I say hatred, we know they hate each other, but in reality, the respect, you should say the respect between Bretton Stone Cold Steve Austin absolutely continues, and it's a focal point of this entire match, Tony. which it more closely resembles a free-for-all for much of the match than anything structured, and it's okay because it actually works

here. Austin is going to take out Owen for a period of time. Brett is then going to take out Austin by bashing a fire extinguisher into his knee. And the raucous crowd, they absolutely eat that shit up. I mean, they're they want blood, they want injuries, they want maiming. They probably would go for dismemberment if it was on the table. @PCTunney: No, Austin. Austin hit Austin hit Owen with a chair. Austin hit Owen with a chair on the post. Dave Ungar: Yeah, right. Right. Okay. Yeah, you're right. @PCTunney: The fire extinguisher's coming. The fire extinguisher's coming. Later in the match. Dave Ungar: That'd come in later on. Okay. so late in the match, Austin is going to return because he's been he gets taken out of the match for a while. He comes back, he locks Brett Hart in the sharpshooter. How about that shit? Owen returns, because yeah, like you're saying, Brett and Owen or not Brett and Owen. Austin and Owen are the ones who get temporarily taken out of this match. So Austin's got Brett in the sharpshooter. Owen returns to save his older brother, coming full circle. This then is going @PCTunney: Wait, hold on, hold on. Dave Ungar: to. @PCTunney: Wait, wait, let me just go back to clarify everything. Owen Austin hit Owen. Austin got Owen around the post and hit him with the chair, took him out with his knee, and then in retaliation, when Brett had his chance, did the same thing to Austin, but hit him with the fire extinguisher. So first it was Austin with the chair on Owen and then Brett on Austin with the fire extinguisher. Just want to clarify. Dave Ungar: Okay. So the fire extinguisher was I got the fire extinguisher right, but the chronology off. Okay, okay. @PCTunney: just watched it. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a it was first the chair with Austin and then Brett with the fire extinguisher. I told you it I should I should Dave Ungar: Right. The the most important thing @PCTunney: not watch this right before because I just fuck everything up. Dave Ungar: I don't no, no, no. It's fine. I I I appreciate somebody clarifying this. But I think the main point that really matters to this match is that @PCTunney: They're all. Dave Ungar: Owen and Owen and Stone Cold are taken out for a period of this match. And these guys, the remaining four guys on each team are able to carry on perfectly, despite all that. But when Owen comes back to save Brett from a sharpshooter, this is going to lead to an all-out brawl, including many members of the Hart family at ringside getting involved in all of this shit. In the ensuing fracas, it is Owen Hart who's going to roll up Stone Cold Steve Austin, grab a handful of tights, and gets the three count. He had a handful of tights, Tunny. It's like, you know, Macho Man beating Flair at WrestleMania 8. You had a handful of tights. @PCTunney: He sure didn't have a fistful of hair. Dave Ungar: No, he sure didn't. so Owen pins Stone Cold. They gets a win for his team. After the three count, the brawl continues

as @PCTunney: boy, here we go. Dave Ungar: Austin returns. Yeah, Austin keeps coming back to the ring and he gets jumped by everyone. Austin is handcuffed and led from the ringside area back in the ring. The entire Hart family, including Stu, Helen, and seemingly half of Calgary, celebrate with the tremendous fans in this arena. It's like, did everybody @PCTunney: At one point Dave Ungar: get in the ring? @PCTunney: Yeah, I don't know. At one point it's either JR sincerely or King I think it's JR sincerely. I don't think King was quite doing this yet, but like no, it might have been King. Like Helen and Helen and Stu are responsible for all these people and there's like a hundred Dave Ungar: Yeah. @PCTunney: people in the ring. Dave Ungar: It it is it is the most surreal scene that you will ever see at a at a WWE pay per view and it really exemplifies how awesome this event is. It's like you're right, there's at least fifty to seventy five people in this ring at the end of this thing. @PCTunney: So Natty was fifteen. I think she comes in at the near end in all black and hugs her dad. 'cause I was looking Dave Ungar: Okay. @PCTunney: for that legitimately as this was over. I'm like, all these kids are coming in and and Jim's out there with his heart wife. Where's Natty? I'm looking for Natty. That's the only one I was looking for because honestly a lot of hearts. Not a lot of Dave Ungar: A lot. @PCTunney: WWE superstars. Percentage wise. Dave Ungar: No, that's true. you know, there's there, yeah, when you take the ratio of people who made it versus people in existence, yeah. @PCTunney: Actual hearts, there's like three. Dave Ungar: Yeah. but it it's one of the things about this this event that makes it so unique and so special and why @PCTunney: It's Dave Ungar: why we wanted to do a side quest, why this is so historically significant to be worthy of us venturing away from an actual big five pay per view, because this event Yeah, the stuff at the end where, you know, they're so in touch with the fans and the fans are giving these guys this massive heroes welcome. And it's a real it is a it is definitely a tribute to the Hart family. It's a tribute to Stu and Helen and their contribution to the industry. And you get to see the whole and it is cool to see that whole extended family in there at one time. before we get to the scores, I I there's there's one thing that you know, we talked about the dirt sheets earlier, right? And what a shit show that they are nowadays. And God knows you and I and DJ and Rob and everybody, we've talked a fair amount of shit about Dave Meltzer over the years on this show, on your show, on everybody's show, the Mindless Wrestling Podcast Insert Podcast here. @PCTunney: I I just wanna say on my show we don't know who that is, so Dave Ungar: Okay. Well, you will know this. even though this card had four matches on the main card, Dave Meltzer gave this the best major wrestling card of 1997 award, despite WrestleMania 13, despite Starcade 1997, despite ECW barely legal, and despite anything else anything else that we've talked about on this show in 1997, there's been some good events. This one got Meltzer's best wrestling card of 1997. And honestly, Tony, I can't say he's wrong. I mean, we're gonna talk about you know what happens at the Montreal Screw Job, the most controversial event in wrestling history. could I honestly say that Survivor Series 97 was better than this event? No, I can't. from a pure standpoint of the card. I I'll I'll just go first, man. I'm gonna jump into the score here with Meltzer's award ringing in the in the air. Bro, I'm gonna give this a nine out of ten, man. there are no weaknesses on this card. Every single match is excellent. The main event is absolutely something special. The crowd is fucking phenomenal. the greatest thing about one of the best things about this, Tunny, is Stone Cold Steve Austin's legend only grows at this event. Even in defeat, his legend grows here. and it's gonna set the stage for the latter part of nineteen ninety-seven, leading into where we're gonna go in nineteen ninety-eight. You know, maybe if you had a few more cards, I I think you know maybe you downgrade a little bit for the taka. Sasuke match just a slight bit. Undertaker Vader just a slight bit. It's the only reason I'm not giving this a ten out of ten, but dude, there's no weaknesses on this card. It is straight up a nine out of ten, in my opinion. I don't know what cage match gave it, but I imagine it's not far off of that one. @PCTunney: Do you want the Cage Match rundown and then mine or do you want me and then Cage Match? Dave Ungar: Let's do yours and then cage match. Let's do something different. @PCTunney: I I will give I will give this card a seven and a half. Dave Ungar: Ooh, that's a little low. I'm surprised. @PCTunney: I mean that's pretty good for the for the you know Dave Ungar: It's good for you. For you, it's great. @PCTunney: it's really good. It's really good. I know where we're going. Dave Ungar: I see. You're you're holding back the good cards until we get @PCTunney: I can't you know, I can't well, I I just I just I it it's real it's seven that's a great score. That's that's one of the highest scores I've ever given. So I don't know what to tell you people. You know, go back and listen. Dave Ungar: For you that is. That is. All right. Let's see how what a cage match. How how how far off are we on this? @PCTunney: do you want the overall or should I go match by match first and then we'll go overall? Dave Ungar: Go go match by match. We got a little bit of time here. @PCTunney: Alright, I'll I'll let you guess. Hunter and and Mick. Dave Ungar: Seven. @PCTunney: Six point six nine. So you're right there. Dave Ungar: Right there. @PCTunney: The great Sasuke and Taka Michinoku, who JR, the first time he said his name, said said Taka Michinoko. Dave Ungar: Well I I think that's probably around a seven as well. @PCTunney: Seven point

seven four. Dave Ungar: Ooh, I was off. Okay. @PCTunney: So one hundred and twenty five votes on the Hunter match, two hundred and forty seven votes on the Taca match, Taker versus Vader. Dave Ungar: Six and a half. @PCTunney: Six point seven one on a hundred and eighty one votes. Dave Ungar: Ha ha. @PCTunney: And then the finale. The five man the greatest ever ten man tag Dave. Dave Ungar: that's it's gotta be like a nine nine point two five or something. @PCTunney: eight point eight eight on three hundred and eighty three votes given the overall score from cage match on in your house sixteen. Canadian Stampede Dave Ungar: Got it's eight something. @PCTunney: Eight point five eight. That's one of the highest scores I've seen on Cage Match in a while. And we've been doing all these and I've been looking them up so Dave Ungar: Yeah. I yeah, that's I and I had not looked that up, but that's why I'm coming in as high as I am on Canadian Stampede. It is a it is a great event, and I love the fact that this was our first side quest because it is a absolutely worthy event. You know, when we get to Bad Blood, it is nowhere near as good a card as this, with the exception of one match, which is amazing, you know. but @PCTunney: We just do a lot of one. Dave Ungar: huh? @PCTunney: Should we just do a watch along? Dave Ungar: I haven't figured out how to do that with the with the new s the new @PCTunney: that's Dave Ungar: setup and the new studio. That's that's the problem is we can't get the sound to work right and @PCTunney: That's right. Yeah, we're not just audio anymore. That's right, I forgot. Dave Ungar: And you know, and honestly the YouTube channel is almost popular enough that it could be a problem. So but, you know, I I I l absolutely love this event. I thought it was just it was such a cool and I think I'd seen it like once. I mean, like you, like I'd think I'd seen it like once in my entire The dogs agree. They're they're happy about the whole thing. But I think like you're saying, I'd seen it once and actually go back and watch it again was like really cool because it's been So long since I experienced and just that that whole the the like you said, the inversion, this inversion pay-per-view was really cool. And I love this event. It was it was such an awesome ride. And it's you know, you gotta enjoy Brett while we've got him, because we don't have him for much longer. We've got him for SummerSlam and Survivor. He's not even involved in Bad Blood. So we don't have Brett for much longer. and you gotta enjoy that, but That is gonna do it for Canadian Stamp. Go ahead, buddy. What's up? @PCTunney: My last thing and I said I would connect this at the end is Dave Ungar: Please. @PCTunney: Boy, this really seems like a thank you, Brett from Vince, doesn't it? Dave Ungar: It really does. I mean, there there is a a definite thank you, Brett, sort of aspect to this thing. @PCTunney: I don't we don't we don't have to get into it. We could cut it right there. But like Dave Ungar: Yeah. Thank you, Brad. I I I agree with you. I like it. I can dig it. @PCTunney: You you see where I'm you see where I'm going? Tune in next time. Dave Ungar: Yeah. Well, yeah. And I I obviously in the next time when we come back for the big five project, we will go into SummerSlam ninety-seven, which is an infamous card for multiple reasons. Stone Cold Steve Austin gets his neck broken. you've got the title change that Tunny thinks is one of the worst, absolute worst title changes in professional @PCTunney: We c we can ask the question Dave Ungar: wrist. @PCTunney: Well, that's why I think this is the thank you, Brett. I think there's the rest of it's bullshit. Unless Austin doesn't break his neck and then maybe Brett would have given it to him, but I've given away too much. That's Dave Ungar: That's @PCTunney: my that's my that's my play on the whole rest of where we're going. Dave Ungar: That's some good speculation there though, man. Is that, you know, if Austin doesn't get hurt, do they pivot to him instead of Sean? @PCTunney: Right. 'Cause the whole thing is Yeah. Could Austin have been the first two belt holder because it was to beat he beat Owen but then got hurt and was maybe gonna beat Brett too. Like the train was already on this guy. So anyway, giving away too much already. Dave Ungar: We're we're a ways away from you know, we'll be back for that pretty soon. Hopefully we can get DJ on one of these ones to talk to us about this and @PCTunney: Maybe mid maybe like for last segment he can show his nipples or something. Dave Ungar: Yeah, he can go shirtless at the end. It's all good. but that's gonna do it for this edition of the Big Five Project. Tunny, let people know, man, where can they check you out? What's going on in the chair shot? That's right. He's pointing to it, kids. On the live stream, you'll see it on the final episode, though, for those because it won't show up, at PC Tunny, the commissioner of all things DWI chair shot related. As for me, let's put it in here. Let's let's let's talk about this thing. So, of course. @PCTunney: Fancy football, we play each other this week, by the way. Dave Ungar: yeah, you're gonna beat my ass. It's okay. I I I I took out I took out SOP. The two Jews took each other out in week one. So, you know, now it's just it's it's back to the Gentiles this week. so no, we've got as far as far as I'm concerned, I will still say this go here first. The attitude of aggression dot com. 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And if anybody, Tunny, will recognize this is the reversal of the original account that I had for 11 years, which was at Attitude AG. Now we're at ag at ag attitude. So yeah, not what are you shaking your head about, man? Was I supposed to be @PCTunney: You know, you know what Dave Ungar: more @PCTunney: You know what it should have been. Dave Ungar: What's that? At deadass? I mean that @PCTunney: I mean I you said it. Dave Ungar: I I don't know. That might get me suspended pretty quick again. But no. I understand this was not the most creative word, but it's very easy for anybody who used to follow the old account to say, I get it. It's just the same thing but reverse. But at AGG Attitude, that is where you can follow me now on X. if you're over on Blue Sky, it's the old old thing at attitude ag, but You know, I dealt with blue sky for a while, but the conversation is not a real conversation there. It's slightly slanted in a certain direction. But hey, it's all good. But that's gonna do it for this episode of the Big Five Project and our first ever side quest Canadian Stampede. We will be back really soon with SummerSlam 1997, an infamous night in East Rutherford, New Jersey, and a very almost a devastating night for the WWF and one stone cold Steve Austin. But we will be back coming back to that very soon. Tony, you got any parting words before we cut out of here tonight, my friend? @PCTunney: No, be good, take care of yourselves and take a grain of salt with everything you hear. Dave Ungar: That's a good that is some good advice. I gotta get my taglines right on this show. Okay, so that's gonna do it here for this episode. Until next time, wrestling fans, aggressionaholics, you guys on X, I'm glad to be back with you. All I can say is for all you wrestling fans and aggressionaholics out there, stay aggressive, do it with attitude. We will catch you next time for the next installment of the Big Fire Project and SummerSlam 1997. Dave Unger, PC Tunny. We are checking out of here. You guys have a great weekend. Tune in to the Chair Shot Media YouTube channel tomorrow for bandwagon nerds as Tunny and I break down lanterns for you. we will catch you guys. See you tomorrow.