บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ ADHD at Work: Turning Workplace Struggles into Solutions

growth. Talk, what do you, how did you, 71 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.060 where did that come from? What are your thoughts on that? 72 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:51.240 And why is that so important? 73 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:56.590 Yeah, so I've been in, I've climbed the ladder from 74 00:03:56.610 --> 00:04:01.129 special education teacher to administrator. And then I got bored and, 75 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:03.909 you know, started my own company, right? So I've been 76 00:04:04.030 --> 00:04:06.689 working with 88 Sears for 20 years. And if I 77 00:04:06.770 --> 00:04:10.080 stayed a special education teacher this whole time, I would 78 00:04:10.099 --> 00:04:13.060 be bored and burned out. I was getting bored and 79 00:04:13.099 --> 00:04:16.050 burned out. Not that I don't love working with kids. 80 00:04:16.189 --> 00:04:18.589 It's just it was the same thing over and over. 81 00:04:19.209 --> 00:04:26.500 So with ADHD, we need career advancement. We need professional development. 82 00:04:26.949 --> 00:04:30.600 It's within us that we're lifelong learners and we want new, 83 00:04:30.779 --> 00:04:35.649 exciting and shiny opportunities to pursue. So if we're within 84 00:04:35.709 --> 00:04:39.579 an organization that provides us that, we're going to thrive. 85 00:04:39.620 --> 00:04:41.100 That's going to be one thing that's going to help 86 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.480 us thrive. If we have projects and roles that also 87 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.339 align with our interests and strengths, we are going to 88 00:04:47.379 --> 00:04:49.959 do better. We are going to work harder. We are 89 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.889 going to be more interested. So let us do that. 90 00:04:56.069 --> 00:04:57.910 If we're doing the same thing over and over again, 91 00:04:57.930 --> 00:05:01.269 I can tell you 99% of the time the ADHD-er 92 00:05:01.350 --> 00:05:02.970 is probably going to leave or quit. 93 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.689 And again, when she said this to me, it's a 94 00:05:10.709 --> 00:05:13.709 brilliant statement that she made. And people with ADHD, they 95 00:05:13.829 --> 00:05:16.250 are learners. And I've actually had a number of people 96 00:05:16.310 --> 00:05:22.709 that I've coached that really had learning addictions. Um, like I've, 97 00:05:22.810 --> 00:05:25.170 I've coached people before they had like three, three master's degree. 98 00:05:25.189 --> 00:05:27.649 They were certified every form of yoga is instructor dance, 99 00:05:27.689 --> 00:05:29.290 et cetera, but they hadn't held a job for more 100 00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:30.000 than 90 days. 101 00:05:30.009 --> 00:05:31.129 You just met another one. 102 00:05:33.009 --> 00:05:34.899 But, but there's a few things that I, here's where 103 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:36.600 I think you've got to change your belief system a 104 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:39.360 little bit around this because there's this notion of a 105 00:05:39.379 --> 00:05:41.600 career and I'll never forget. I

got a phone call, 106 00:05:41.660 --> 00:05:44.160 one guy from a guy who was in Canada and, um, 107 00:05:44.379 --> 00:05:46.980 he had ADHD and he was calling me wanting some help. 108 00:05:47.019 --> 00:05:50.040 And he's like, He was frustrated at work because he 109 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:51.790 was kind of bored. And I'm like, well, tell me 110 00:05:51.810 --> 00:05:53.430 about it. And it took a while for me to 111 00:05:53.529 --> 00:05:56.069 ask some questions. But basically, he had been at this 112 00:05:56.110 --> 00:05:58.569 company that he was hired when they were kind of 113 00:05:58.629 --> 00:06:01.290 almost out of business. And he kind of turned them around. 114 00:06:01.470 --> 00:06:04.050 And I'm like, wow. He said, yeah, I'm that type 115 00:06:04.089 --> 00:06:07.029 of person where I don't get really that emotionally caught up. 116 00:06:07.610 --> 00:06:10.339 I mean, I'm OK to fire people. And I've turned 117 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.000 these things around. So then all of a sudden, I 118 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:14.720 started hearing he'd never been at a company for more 119 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.019 than two or three years. But the characteristics of it 120 00:06:17.730 --> 00:06:20.949 was all that he was basically turning around. So once 121 00:06:20.970 --> 00:06:23.110 he turned around, he was really bored at that point 122 00:06:23.129 --> 00:06:25.529 in time. And I flippantly said, like, I don't know 123 00:06:25.569 --> 00:06:27.470 why you're looking for a career. I would just say 124 00:06:27.509 --> 00:06:30.040 that you're a turnaround artist and just go find your 125 00:06:30.069 --> 00:06:32.560 next gig. And he's like, what? I go, if you 126 00:06:32.569 --> 00:06:35.819 take a look, that's what you do. And to Brooke's point, 127 00:06:36.220 --> 00:06:37.980 when he goes in and has a whole new company, 128 00:06:38.019 --> 00:06:39.259 he's got to figure out and kind of turn that. 129 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.879 He's got some expertise in that area, but everything's differently. 130 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.040 And he's like, oh, my God, I got to send 131 00:06:44.060 --> 00:06:45.920 you money. I'm like, yeah, that would be great. He 132 00:06:45.939 --> 00:06:49.879 never did. But this notion of having something to learn 133 00:06:50.019 --> 00:06:55.459 and opportunities of growth, if you don't have those, you're 134 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.310 going to get bored. And I've done some shows before 135 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:02.350 where I talk about boredom is you're physically uncomfortable. And 136 00:07:02.370 --> 00:07:05.110 when I say that, I'm like talking about it's painful. 137 00:07:05.129 --> 00:07:06.449 Like if you ever go to the zoo, you see 138 00:07:06.470 --> 00:07:09.810 the tiger pacing back and forth. They're so bored that 139 00:07:09.829 --> 00:07:12.470 they're pacing to rid themselves of the anxiety. And I 140 00:07:12.509 --> 00:07:16.199 say people with ADHD– It's physically painful when they're bored 141 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.660 and they're going to escape it. And a lot of 142 00:07:19.699 --> 00:07:22.180 times they'll lose it at work. So I'm beating a 143 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:25.620 dead horse here. But what you said is just absolutely brilliant. 144 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:29.040 Find a work environment that's got an opportunity growth or 145 00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:31.459 you're going to learn something there that you're going to 146 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.079 take to another opportunity. 147 00:07:33.689 --> 00:07:33.879 Right. 148 00:07:34.310 --> 00:07:36.470 You know that there's a limit, but you're taking that 149 00:07:36.689 --> 00:07:38.509 as the next step to what you're going to go to. 150 00:07:39.750 --> 00:07:42.930 Correct. And you're spot on. So many of us ADHDers 151 00:07:42.990 --> 00:07:45.930 jump every two to three years or get fired because 152 00:07:45.970 --> 00:07:50.920 of that. And that's why we're 300% more likely to 153 00:07:51.220 --> 00:07:54.100 be an entrepreneur because then we have the control of 154 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.300 learning and growing. Not to say that that's always the 155 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:04.470 best thing for ADHDers, but there's a push and a 156 00:08:04.529 --> 00:08:07.649 movement to move in that direction for the reasons that 157 00:08:07.670 --> 00:08:08.430 we're talking about. 158 00:08:09.509 --> 00:08:12.269 And one of the things that I– again, this is 159 00:08:12.389 --> 00:08:14.649 a personal– this is Jeffism. This doesn't mean that it 160 00:08:14.689 --> 00:08:16.629 signs out there, but I did an interview years ago 161 00:08:16.649 --> 00:08:20.480 with Wilma Feldman, and we were talking about there's a 162 00:08:20.500 --> 00:08:22.800 lot of like what are ADD-friendly jobs that are out there. 163 00:08:23.100 --> 00:08:25.379 I've been on this quest since I talked to Wilma, 164 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:27.100 and she said if somebody gives you a list of 165 00:08:27.139 --> 00:08:31.430 ADD-friendly jobs, run, Forrest, run, because there is no such thing. 166 00:08:32.169 --> 00:08:32.509 I don't know. 167 00:08:32.950 --> 00:08:35.870 Sales is supposedly good for people with ADHD, but I've 168 00:08:35.929 --> 00:08:37.429 coached a lot of people that were in sales and 169 00:08:37.460 --> 00:08:39.620 they talk so much they talk themselves out of sales. 170 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.360 And the point really is, is you've got to understand 171 00:08:42.460 --> 00:08:44.480 who you are and really what works. I mean, I've 172 00:08:44.539 --> 00:08:49.419 coached FAA flight investigators and tax accountants and stuff like that. 173 00:08:49.460 --> 00:08:53.460 So when you're looking for a place to work. Again, 174 00:08:53.980 --> 00:08:56.100 it's based off of you. It's something you can learn, 175 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.990 an opportunity to grow or an opportunity to grow in that, 176 00:08:59.070 -->

00:09:00.690 but know where you'd like to go after this. I 177 00:09:00.730 --> 00:09:01.809 can't emphasize that enough. 178 00:09:02.850 --> 00:09:03.389 Absolutely. 179 00:09:04.289 --> 00:09:08.909 Next, you talk about communication. That's a big topic. Tell 180 00:09:08.929 --> 00:09:09.269 me about it. 181 00:09:09.289 --> 00:09:15.100 Yeah. So when you're looking for a job, of course, 182 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:19.539 we get excited sometimes by being wanted. But if we 183 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:24.919 can take the time to think about asking questions to 184 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.100 the people who work there and to the people who 185 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:31.960 are interviewing about, does the workplace communicate expectations? Do they 186 00:09:32.019 --> 00:09:38.090 provide you feedback? Are they open to communication between the 187 00:09:38.129 --> 00:09:42.570 supervisors and employees? Are there channels for seeking clarification or 188 00:09:42.610 --> 00:09:48.759 assistance when needed? It's really important that there is that 189 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:53.879 open communication with clear expectations as well with deadlines and 190 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:59.529 due dates and priorities and where the employee can feel 191 00:09:59.549 --> 00:10:03.299 like they are an individual, their voice is heard, and 192 00:10:03.500 --> 00:10:06.850 also if they have an idea, you know, does it 193 00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:09.529 get listened to as well or does it get, you know, 194 00:10:09.610 --> 00:10:12.110 shoved or, you know, thrown down? Yeah. 195 00:10:12.129 --> 00:10:12.230 So. 196 00:10:15.899 --> 00:10:20.799 I think we're very often black and white when it 197 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.730 comes to expectations. Even though we don't think that way vision-wise, 198 00:10:27.210 --> 00:10:30.929 we need to know when is this due, how important 199 00:10:30.950 --> 00:10:34.909 is this, or else we're going to miss things. And 200 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.039 also with that communication, too, I'm sorry to cut you off, 201 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.899 but there's one other thing. Like, we want good feedback, too. 202 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.659 I mean, I think everyone does well when they hear 203 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:49.549 what they're doing well. But, you know, Dr. Avala talked 204 00:10:49.610 --> 00:10:52.750 about that euphoric feeling that we get when we're told 205 00:10:52.769 --> 00:10:56.009 that even if it's the smallest thing, that we're doing 206 00:10:56.029 --> 00:10:59.009 a good job or, you know, they're proud of you 207 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:03.139 or well done, you know, that kind of thing. So. 208 00:11:03.740 --> 00:11:05.620 I don't know if this is the appropriate part, but 209 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.659 I'm going to put it in here now because you're 210 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:11.320 making a really good point. But one of the things 211 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:14.139 that I've learned over the years is you've got to 212 00:11:14.179 --> 00:11:19.039 be careful asking people questions because we all interpret things 213 00:11:19.070 --> 00:11:22.070 a little bit differently. And I say that because back 214 00:11:22.110 --> 00:11:25.230 in the late 90s, I had gotten my MBA and 215 00:11:25.269 --> 00:11:27.529 I'd gotten out of the insurance business, and I was 216 00:11:27.570 --> 00:11:31.730 getting involved with an upstart. And people told me that 217 00:11:31.750 --> 00:11:35.730 there was a very collaborative workplace. And for me, collaboration 218 00:11:35.789 --> 00:11:39.580 is the ability to interact, like talk to somebody in 219 00:11:39.620 --> 00:11:42.100 their presence about what's going on in a meeting. I 220 00:11:42.139 --> 00:11:43.620 know we're going to cover some of that stuff a 221 00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:46.620 little bit after break. But what was interesting to me 222 00:11:46.779 --> 00:11:50.480 is they described it as very collaborative. Well, I show up, 223 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.840 and look, there's a room full of cubicles. You follow 224 00:11:53.860 --> 00:11:56.139 what I'm saying? And everybody's at their thing because when 225 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:59.539 you're an upstart, you're not– we're growing really, really quick. 226 00:11:59.970 --> 00:12:03.740 And it was frustrating to me because– The guy next 227 00:12:03.779 --> 00:12:06.840 to me, right next to me, wouldn't stand up and 228 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.399 talk to me. He would instant message me. I'm like, 229 00:12:10.259 --> 00:12:13.659 for me, typing, it's a lot easier for me to 230 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.019 have a conversation than it is for my stupid fat 231 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:18.899 fingers to type it all out. And while they said 232 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.519 it was collaborative, it wasn't my type of collaborative. So 233 00:12:21.580 --> 00:12:23.500 one of the things that I have always encouraged is 234 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.980 if you can get to the workplace, go and see it. 235 00:12:27.100 --> 00:12:29.919 Go spend a day or a half a day shadowing 236 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.500 somebody because there's a real difference between what people say. 237 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.230 and how it actually is. I also remember I was 238 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.470 in college. I got an interview with Procter & Gamble, 239 00:12:39.490 --> 00:12:40.710 and I had to go back to second. I had 240 00:12:40.730 --> 00:12:43.350 to follow a guy around for half a day, and 241 00:12:43.370 --> 00:12:45.299 I had heard a lot of great things about the company. 242 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:47.750 But after following him around for the half a day, 243 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.909 I'm like, there's no way I can do this job. 244 00:12:50.230 --> 00:12:52.509 They build it one way, but it turned out something 245 00:12:52.529 --> 00:12:56.830 completely different. So my emphasis is if you're looking for jobs, 246 00:12:57.009 -->

00:13:00.009 go on site. Spend the time shadowing somebody a day 247 00:13:00.070 --> 00:13:02.750 because what really happens is often very different from what 248 00:13:02.769 --> 00:13:03.610 they say on the brochure. 249 00:13:03.710 --> 00:13:09.309 Well, wouldn't it save the company money? Not having to 250 00:13:09.409 --> 00:13:12.090 train someone, not having to spend the time and the 251 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:15.840 energy and then fire them or them quit. If they 252 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.659 could do that, think about those little adjustments that, yeah, 253 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.340 it might take you an extra day to know if 254 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:23.940 this is the right person or not, but at least 255 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:25.100 you know it's the right person. 256 00:13:25.100 --> 00:13:31.509 100%. 100%. Let's go to a break, everybody. Brooke's brilliant. 257 00:13:31.529 --> 00:13:32.740 I'm a big fan of hers. She's got a lot 258 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:33.610 of stuff that's going on. 259 00:13:33.620 --> 00:13:33.809 Thank you. 260 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.139 You need to go check out her website. It's coachingwithbrooke.com, 261 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.379 and Brooke is spelt with an E. I always have 262 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.259 to remember that because if it was me, I would 263 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.289 forget that part of it. And can you tell us 264 00:13:43.330 --> 00:13:44.809 about the book that they can buy on your website? 265 00:13:46.210 --> 00:13:50.559 Sure. It's Activate Your ADHD Potential. And it's on the website. 266 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.399 It's on Amazon. And it's for adults with ADHD who 267 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.460 are looking to do the work to overcome overwhelm and 268 00:13:56.500 --> 00:14:02.600 underwhelm in 12 simple steps to build momentum and maintain 269 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:05.620 it over time. So I've used these principles repeatedly. for 270 00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:10.690 years with thousands of people, and I've had amazing feedback. 271 00:14:11.049 --> 00:14:13.509 So I put it all into a book for you 272 00:14:13.590 --> 00:14:16.690 so you don't have to necessarily pay for coaching. You 273 00:14:16.730 --> 00:14:19.590 can use these tools and implement the strategies that have 274 00:14:19.610 --> 00:14:20.509 worked for thousands. 275 00:14:21.570 --> 00:14:21.769 Wow. 276 00:14:22.389 --> 00:14:25.049 In another interview, we were talking about a neurodivergent household 277 00:14:25.090 --> 00:14:26.870 with other things going on, and she wrote a book. Oh, 278 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:29.070 my God. Anyway, we're going to go to break. 279 00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:31.330 The busier, the more that comes out. 280 00:14:31.950 --> 00:14:34.389 Touche. Our secret word is fitness. 281 00:14:34.970 --> 00:14:37.970 We'll be right back after these messages. 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We've covered some things that I think that 312 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:35.159 are real important, growth opportunities, open communication, et cetera. Before 313 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.360 we got on the phone, we just talked a little 314 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.090 bit about having a buddy and being able to talk 315 00:16:40.110 --> 00:16:41.909 to people in the workplace, and that's as far as 316 00:16:41.970 -->

00:16:46.309 our conversation got. That said, if you've been listening to 317 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:48.440 Attention Talk Radio for a period of time. You know 318 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.639 I'm a big fan of Dr. Russell Barkley and his 319 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.799 construct of ADHD. And over the years in studying, I've 320 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:56.360 really become to realize that ADHD is far more of 321 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.019 a problem-solving impairment than most people realize. When you've got 322 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:04.160 to solve problems in your head, it's incredibly difficult. There's 323 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.730 an urge, emotional urge to escape. So people say I'm 324 00:17:07.769 --> 00:17:10.509 attracted to things that are bright and shiny. That's the 325 00:17:10.589 --> 00:17:15.319 symptomatic outcome. It's basically when thinking is really difficult, it's 326 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.230 an escape to go to something that's more comfortable. And 327 00:17:17.259 --> 00:17:21.119 the idea is not just remove the bright and shiny things, 328 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:24.079 but you've got to make the thinking side easier. And 329 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:27.000 I'm doing a lot on some developing programs to validate 330 00:17:27.019 --> 00:17:30.140 this to get accommodations for it. But without going into that, 331 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.220 one of the things that you're advocating for is having 332 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.599 people to go to at work, buddies, that type of stuff. 333 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:39.660 Tell us about, from your perspective, why that's so important. 334 00:17:41.390 --> 00:17:45.109 Well, first of all, it eliminates the need for an 335 00:17:45.410 --> 00:17:50.589 employee to ask their boss for little things here and there, right? 336 00:17:50.809 --> 00:17:51.029 Mm-hmm. 337 00:17:51.950 --> 00:17:57.029 Helps the relationship, and it makes them able to verbally 338 00:17:57.109 --> 00:18:02.609 process what's going on with their buddies. So perhaps they 339 00:18:02.630 --> 00:18:05.170 miss a detail on something or they need to, like 340 00:18:05.190 --> 00:18:10.440 you said, problem solve what's going on to execute. It gives. 341 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:12.519 An accountability. 342 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:17.299 First of all, it gives the space to problem solve 343 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:21.000 and just make sure that everybody They're being accountable to 344 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:25.299 the right thing. And it is accountability as well because 345 00:18:25.859 --> 00:18:28.740 both people can work together and say, okay, this is 346 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.220 coming up. Let's do this. In the workspace and just 347 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.759 in life in general, there are so many messages that 348 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.599 we get and it's really hard to keep up with it. 349 00:18:36.619 --> 00:18:41.230 So to have that extra human to kind of rely 350 00:18:41.430 -->

00:18:45.609 on and it works both ways is so helpful. 351 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:51.130 So You use the word verbally process. So going back 352 00:18:51.170 --> 00:18:53.430 to what I said, because we're kind of talking about 353 00:18:53.450 --> 00:18:54.769 the same thing. I just want to kind of help 354 00:18:54.829 --> 00:18:57.509 everybody understand the executive function reason. And I want to 355 00:18:57.549 --> 00:19:01.230 give an example how this plays out is part of 356 00:19:01.569 --> 00:19:04.009 executive function is working memory. And part of that is 357 00:19:04.029 --> 00:19:07.809 what we call nonverbal working memory. It's basically self-talk. Because 358 00:19:07.829 --> 00:19:11.329 it's impaired, many people talk a lot with ADHD. They 359 00:19:11.349 --> 00:19:13.390 don't realize a lot of times they're talking out loud 360 00:19:13.450 --> 00:19:15.750 to themselves. There's somebody standing in front of them. They 361 00:19:15.769 --> 00:19:18.390 don't realize it. What I tell people is it's interesting 362 00:19:18.430 --> 00:19:21.069 nobody taught you how to do it. Instinctively, you do 363 00:19:21.150 --> 00:19:24.059 it because you're rewarded with higher levels of performance. And 364 00:19:24.099 --> 00:19:26.000 so what we're talking about is the ability to go 365 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:28.500 talk to somebody because somebody with ADHD, sometimes we'll talk 366 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.200 to somebody, and they get to the end. The other 367 00:19:31.220 --> 00:19:33.940 person didn't say anything, but the person with ADHD actually 368 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:38.220 solved their own problem. Sometimes the other person will help them, 369 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.329 or sometimes the other person might say a word, which 370 00:19:40.349 --> 00:19:42.859 would be a trigger. But the point really is, is 371 00:19:42.940 --> 00:19:47.369 having that ability to talk through things and remove ambiguity 372 00:19:47.789 --> 00:19:50.579 is very helpful. Another story I'd like to tell, as 373 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:54.480 it took a hard time to articulate this, because I 374 00:19:54.500 --> 00:19:56.799 always say a lot of procrastination is rooted in ambiguity. 375 00:19:56.940 --> 00:19:59.900 And before the pandemic, I was coaching a woman and 376 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:01.160 I said, I want you to go out and notice 377 00:20:01.420 --> 00:20:03.849 everything that you're not, you're putting off because it's ambiguous. 378 00:20:04.410 --> 00:20:05.950 And she was arguing with me. And that's not that 379 00:20:05.990 --> 00:20:08.690 it's not that just fear, like, you know, whatever. So 380 00:20:08.950 --> 00:20:12.400 the pandemic, lockdown happens, and I get this text. Oh, 381 00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:17.200 my God. What had happened was she was at work, 382 00:20:17.619 --> 00:20:19.759 and there was some type of thing that she needed 383 00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:24.240 to do procedurally, and she forgot a step.

In that moment, 384 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:26.390 she realized at work she would lean over to a 385 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:31.569 coworker and ask, hey, what is, probably get the help 386 00:20:31.710 --> 00:20:35.589 and be back to work within two seconds. Happens so fast, 387 00:20:35.670 --> 00:20:38.640 it's hardly worth doing it. Not today. There's no coworker. 388 00:20:39.140 --> 00:20:41.779 So she instant messages the coworker because she can't tell 389 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:43.660 if the coworker is at her desk or not, or 390 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.279 even she's looking at instant messaging. So she sat there 391 00:20:46.299 --> 00:20:47.500 for a minute or two, went up to go get 392 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.390 a cup of coffee, and never went back. Now, we 393 00:20:50.430 --> 00:20:54.390 talked about it and said, you know, they're probably somewhere 394 00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:57.109 on the company's intranet. There was some information about what 395 00:20:57.150 --> 00:20:59.230 that procedure was, but she had no idea where it 396 00:20:59.289 --> 00:21:02.170 was and where to find it. And so bringing some 397 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:05.190 validity to what Brooke's talking about is having the ability 398 00:21:05.259 --> 00:21:07.619 to lean over and ask a question sometimes can be 399 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.759 the difference between getting something done and taking a half 400 00:21:11.779 --> 00:21:15.730 a day off, which was interesting because when the pandemic hit, 401 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:19.960 everybody was sent home. to think and solve problems by themselves. 402 00:21:20.009 --> 00:21:21.529 I don't know about you, Brooke, but my phone lit 403 00:21:21.569 --> 00:21:24.009 up like a Christmas tree. I've got productivity issues. I've 404 00:21:24.029 --> 00:21:27.990 got motivation issues. I'm like, no, it's not that. You 405 00:21:28.029 --> 00:21:30.690 don't have the thinking partner that you had before. You're 406 00:21:30.730 --> 00:21:34.059 having to do this on your own. It's impaired. So environmentally, 407 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:38.039 and I'm hoping that these stories, I'm helping legitimize this, 408 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:41.839 are understanding and reinforcing exactly what Brooke is talking about 409 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:46.420 and why these are so important. They really are accommodations 410 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:48.069 to a certain extent. Does that make sense, Brooke? 411 00:21:48.470 --> 00:21:52.730 Yeah, and they're low-cost accommodations. They don't cost the company anything, right? 412 00:21:52.769 --> 00:21:55.609 You don't have to ask for a legal accommodation. This 413 00:21:55.710 --> 00:22:00.039 should be for anyone, neurotypical or not. And speaking of which, 414 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.039 75% of people in the workplace have an invisible disability. 415 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:05.319 It's just not spoken about. 416 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:11.559 Wow. I've never heard that before. Interesting. 417 00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:12.180 Isn't that amazing? 418 00:22:12.819 --> 00:22:13.119 Yeah. 419 00:22:13.940 --> 00:22:14.180 Wow. 420 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.839 Tell you what, let's get a break, come back, we'll 421 00:22:18.859 --> 00:22:28.460 pull this thing together. Everybody, again, Brooke's website, coachingwithbrooke.com, and 422 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:32.609 check out her book, Activate Your ADHD Potential. I got 423 00:22:32.630 --> 00:22:33.569 that right, Brooke, right? 424 00:22:33.589 --> 00:22:35.670 Yeah. You got it right. Excellent. 425 00:22:35.730 --> 00:22:37.650 I always have to make sure because of my dyslexia 426 00:22:37.670 --> 00:22:40.230 and sometimes I can't read my writing. Brooke's book is right. 427 00:22:40.950 --> 00:22:43.849 There you go. Our secret word is fitness. With that, 428 00:22:43.890 --> 00:22:45.349 we'll be right back after these messages. 429 00:22:45.789 --> 00:22:49.190 You're listening to Attention Talk Radio. We'll return in a moment. 430 00:22:50.230 --> 00:22:54.559 Your life, your world, your choice. This is Attention Talk Radio. 431 00:22:55.779 --> 00:23:00.069 Passionate about serving people with ADHD? Build a rewarding career 432 00:23:00.109 --> 00:23:04.170 with the ADD Coach Academy. One comprehensive program prepares you 433 00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:09.410 to pursue two certifications, ADHD Coach and Life Coach. Learn 434 00:23:09.450 --> 00:23:12.599 more at adka.com slash ATR. 435 00:23:14.049 --> 00:23:16.970 Are you always late? The Time Timer is an award-winning 436 00:23:17.029 --> 00:23:20.869 time management solution that's helped millions of people with ADHD 437 00:23:20.930 --> 00:23:24.589 manage life better. 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We're having a conversation about managing ADHD 450 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:10.700 in the workplace with Brooke. So far, a lot of 451 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.759 really important concepts to kind of keep in mind. A 452 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.619 lot of times,

Brooke, about managing ADHD in the workplace 453 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.740 is really about making the right decision for the right 454 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.640 job as opposed to just taking any job. What are 455 00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:27.410 your thoughts on that? Yeah. 456 00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:30.569 Going back to what we were saying, sometimes with ADHD, 457 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:33.529 we can get excited by just being accepted to a job. 458 00:24:33.710 --> 00:24:35.599 And then two or three months later, we're like, why 459 00:24:35.619 --> 00:24:38.079 did we pick this, right? It's that impulsivity and also 460 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:41.059 that euphoric feeling of, yay, they want me, but do 461 00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:46.180 we want them? So knowing that we have a supportive environment, 462 00:24:46.299 --> 00:24:52.859 that the job meets our strengths, our interests, it's the 463 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:58.349 right boss it's neurodivergent friendly there's structure there's organization there's 464 00:24:58.410 --> 00:25:02.789 clear communication all those things and there's flexibility too if 465 00:25:02.829 --> 00:25:06.470 all those things align with individual then i say go 466 00:25:06.509 --> 00:25:08.549 for it but if it doesn't you're just going to 467 00:25:08.589 --> 00:25:12.589 continue to jump from job to job to job and 468 00:25:12.650 --> 00:25:14.190 it's going to make you frustrated and it's going to 469 00:25:14.230 --> 00:25:17.339 make you feel like you're the failure rather than no 470 00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:19.000 this isn't the right environment for. 471 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.759 Me And we didn't talk about this before the interview, 472 00:25:22.779 --> 00:25:24.279 but one of the things that I find a lot 473 00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:28.200 of times people with ADHD, they get lost in the 474 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:30.680 glamour of what they think the job is about, and 475 00:25:30.700 --> 00:25:33.519 they don't really think about what they do day-to-day. And 476 00:25:33.619 --> 00:25:36.789 I want to share some very– these are generalizations, everybody. 477 00:25:36.809 --> 00:25:39.630 There's exceptions to all these rules, but I've learned to 478 00:25:39.670 --> 00:25:41.789 be a lawyer is basically you read a bunch of crap, 479 00:25:41.849 --> 00:25:43.809 and then you write an opinion. Read a bunch of 480 00:25:43.829 --> 00:25:46.809 crap and write an opinion over and over and over, 481 00:25:46.829 --> 00:25:50.779 or– Nursing, you think a lot about patient interaction, but 482 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.799 it's a lot of times applying a set of protocol, 483 00:25:54.019 --> 00:25:59.019 like a series of steps, and then documenting it. More protocol, document. 484 00:25:59.779 --> 00:26:01.740 And I think a lot of times people actually don't 485 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:06.039 think about the day-to-day activities of a job. They think 486 00:26:06.099 --> 00:26:08.160 about the outcomes. And I think it's really important that 487 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.680 you stop and begin to think about what does a 488 00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:12.980 day in a life look like you? Because if you 489 00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:16.099 don't do that, you're apt to make a bad mistake. 490 00:26:16.809 --> 00:26:19.450 get into a job where there's no growth opportunity, there's 491 00:26:19.509 --> 00:26:21.910 no learning, it's not really kind of what you were 492 00:26:21.930 --> 00:26:24.900 looking for, where you're kind of put in a closet somewhere, 493 00:26:24.940 --> 00:26:26.940 you don't do anything, that's kind of the opposite of 494 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.500 everything that we talked about. And sometimes it takes a 495 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.819 lot of pausing and actually thinking about what are my 496 00:26:32.859 --> 00:26:35.259 daily activities, how would this really work, and it goes 497 00:26:35.299 --> 00:26:37.789 back to sometimes visiting the workplace and watching somebody. 498 00:26:37.809 --> 00:26:43.220 Yes, yes, yes. And I like what you said about, 499 00:26:43.299 --> 00:26:44.900 you know, we get so caught up in the job 500 00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:47.880 title or we get caught up in the company name. 501 00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:51.480 I mean, yeah, I've been there, done that, you know, 502 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.640 wanting to be tapped on the shoulder saying, hey, you 503 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.680 should be an administrator. And then I jumped. to be 504 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.319 an administrator, and then I realize it's a bunch of hassle, 505 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.039 a bunch of pushing papers and fighting, unfortunately, with the 506 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.970 teachers or the parents because they're not getting the services 507 00:27:08.990 --> 00:27:13.609 that they need or want. So, yeah, it's not always 508 00:27:13.670 --> 00:27:16.849 as glamorous as we think it is. So I love 509 00:27:16.890 --> 00:27:18.849 what you say about being able to shadow. 510 00:27:19.710 --> 00:27:22.849 Yes. Kind of reminded me of a story of a 511 00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:24.890 woman that I was coaching. She made it high up 512 00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:28.109 to a level of, a company as an innovator and 513 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:29.609 I remember she wanted to go to the next level 514 00:27:29.650 --> 00:27:31.019 and I said why do you want to do that 515 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.279 and one of the things that I knew is that 516 00:27:33.380 --> 00:27:36.119 you know she was an innovator and And she worked 517 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.720 in small groups of teams, but she didn't deal with 518 00:27:38.740 --> 00:27:41.730 managing people. And she was really chasing this. I said, 519 00:27:41.910 --> 00:27:43.809 have you ever thought about that job? And she said, what? 520 00:27:43.849 --> 00:27:47.150 It's like, no, you're managing people. You're leaving your current, 521 00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:50.490 like what

you do now. You're changing your role to 522 00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:53.869 really you're managing people. It's in the same, like it's 523 00:27:53.950 --> 00:27:57.859 under the same title, but functionally the job is completely different. 524 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.460 And you're actually going to be miscast when you do that. 525 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.900 And again, not to dwell into that, but I've always 526 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:06.789 said before is that You could be a sales guy, 527 00:28:06.829 --> 00:28:08.769 which requires a lot of creativity. When you move to 528 00:28:08.809 --> 00:28:13.130 be in sales management, you have to mainstream people. Managing people. 529 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.329 Where sales is sales, making that discernment is really important 530 00:28:28.450 --> 00:28:31.220 so that you get yourself in the right situation. So 531 00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:35.099 having to manage your ADHD is not so. Any other 532 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:36.670 thoughts or things to share as we bring this to 533 00:28:36.690 --> 00:28:36.970 a close? 534 00:28:38.299 --> 00:28:41.400 Yeah, well, to your point, a lot of people, when 535 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.900 we move from contractor, quote unquote, to leader, it's a 536 00:28:45.940 --> 00:28:50.240 huge jump, right? You have to have those other skills 537 00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:54.329 that you haven't been taught yet. So sometimes we think 538 00:28:54.390 --> 00:28:56.990 that maybe being an entrepreneur is the best thing for 539 00:28:57.170 --> 00:28:59.970 us because it didn't work out in the workplace. But 540 00:28:59.990 --> 00:29:02.589 I happen to know a lot of people who become 541 00:29:02.609 --> 00:29:05.109 an entrepreneur who Because it didn't work out in the 542 00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:10.220 workplace and the entrepreneur piece is too many unstructured activities 543 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.779 and not being accountable. 544 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:13.400 Right. 545 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.470 So just because it's not working out for you in 546 00:29:16.490 --> 00:29:19.210 the current workplace doesn't mean that it won't work out 547 00:29:19.230 --> 00:29:22.329 for you. And one other thing is. And just because 548 00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:24.890 Jeff and I said we should be doing all of 549 00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:27.539 these things before finding a job, sometimes you can find 550 00:29:27.579 --> 00:29:29.359 that job, but it's still not the right job for 551 00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:34.140 us because over time we realize we need something different. 552 00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:36.990 So you need to actually experience jobs to know what 553 00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:39.210 you want over time too. 554 00:29:39.289 --> 00:29:44.740 Yep. This is a Jeffism. I haven't read any research 555 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.880 on it, but something I've learned out there, and that 556 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.470 is I think apprenticeships used to be really good for 557 00:29:49.529 --> 00:29:52.009 people with ADHD many years ago because it's like monkey see, 558 00:29:52.049 --> 00:29:54.690 monkey do. If you're an apprentice, there's a template that 559 00:29:54.710 --> 00:29:57.599 you're going and you learn it from somebody and then 560 00:29:57.619 --> 00:29:59.619 you go off and you do your own thing and 561 00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:03.019 you kind of make it your own. And I mentor 562 00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:05.220 coach a fair amount of people that are starting coaching 563 00:30:05.259 --> 00:30:07.960 business and I've coached people that are becoming entrepreneurs. And 564 00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:09.900 I've always said is when you get out and you're 565 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.380 starting a business, it's really, really helpful if you can 566 00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:15.980 find somebody else who's in that business and go work 567 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.500 alongside them or in them and watch them. Don't try 568 00:30:19.549 --> 00:30:23.650 to go invent systems and stuff yourself. Go get lessons 569 00:30:23.750 --> 00:30:26.410 learned from them so that you don't have to create 570 00:30:26.450 --> 00:30:29.089 that in your world, in your mind. It's a lot 571 00:30:29.170 --> 00:30:32.490 easier if you can go through and watch somebody else 572 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.740 do that, watch their ways. It doesn't mean you have 573 00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:36.900 to do a lot, do it exactly like them, but 574 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.079 you can do what you like not, and that can 575 00:30:39.140 --> 00:30:42.609 bypass a lot of understanding it. And then when you 576 00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:43.970 get it set up, you can get other people to 577 00:30:44.009 --> 00:30:44.930 run it. So that's just a. 578 00:30:45.549 --> 00:30:49.349 Exactly. And then you, with that, learn what you don't 579 00:30:49.509 --> 00:30:51.470 want to be like, too, and what you don't want 580 00:30:51.509 --> 00:30:54.890 to bring to the next job. And I agree with 581 00:30:54.910 --> 00:31:00.089 you in the sense, like, not only getting that experience, 582 00:31:00.130 --> 00:31:03.130 but having someone like you, Jeff, or me to mentor 583 00:31:03.170 --> 00:31:07.970 you as well and think the future stuff. Think about 584 00:31:07.990 --> 00:31:10.470 the things you don't know you don't know. Absolutely. 585 00:31:11.150 --> 00:31:13.279 One last tidbit on my side is I learned this 586 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:16.640 from Wilma Feldman years ago, who's retired, but she was great. 587 00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:21.440 If your job, if more, do not take the job 588 00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:25.599 if more than 25% is ADHD unfriendly. Don't do it 589 00:31:25.660 --> 00:31:27.799 because you're setting yourself up. You really want to be 590 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.299 down on that 10%, 15%. Actually, zero would be good. 591 00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:32.460 But when you take a look at it as a 592 00:31:32.589 --> 00:31:35.710 litmus

test, it needs to be south of 25%. You're 593 00:31:35.730 --> 00:31:38.089 going to find yourself that really struggles. Now, it's a generalization. 594 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:40.920 But I throw that out there so people are like 595 00:31:41.049 --> 00:31:43.630 thinking about that before they get into that type of thing. 596 00:31:43.670 --> 00:31:46.660 So any other thoughts before we go? 597 00:31:46.670 --> 00:31:46.970 Yeah. 598 00:31:47.329 --> 00:31:47.609 Yeah. 599 00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:51.329 I've actually I've spoken to the sleep doctor on my podcast, 600 00:31:51.349 --> 00:31:54.190 Successful with ADHD, and he was saying that he was 601 00:31:54.250 --> 00:31:59.019 working with someone in a business that she was having 602 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.490 trouble with. being productive at the time that the job started. 603 00:32:04.150 --> 00:32:06.759 And the boss is ready to fire her in a week, 604 00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:09.019 but the sleep doctor went on and said, hey, I'm 605 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.839 just going to work with her. Is it okay if 606 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.799 she starts at 10 instead of 7 and then she 607 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.559 works later? He's like, yeah, but we're going to fire 608 00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:17.339 her anyway. But yeah, do your thing, whatever. In that week, 609 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.079 the woman became so much more productive that he got 610 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.319 hired by the company to figure out everyone else's productivity time. 611 00:32:24.380 --> 00:32:30.089 So That's another thing to consider. Just because a job says, okay, 612 00:32:30.269 --> 00:32:34.190 you know, it's from X to X time, right, doesn't 613 00:32:34.210 --> 00:32:36.670 mean that it works with your schedule. We all have 614 00:32:36.730 --> 00:32:41.130 different productivity schedules. So really think about that as well. 615 00:32:41.210 --> 00:32:44.150 When are you the most productive and how can you 616 00:32:44.269 --> 00:32:46.390 figure that out when it comes to work? 617 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:49.289 To echo this, I remember my mom growing up, she 618 00:32:49.309 --> 00:32:51.789 called it her peak times and her non-peak times. And 619 00:32:51.809 --> 00:32:54.710 then years ago, I was interviewing Wilma Feldman. She was 620 00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:56.910 talking about the energy levels and stuff like that. You 621 00:32:56.930 --> 00:32:59.970 need to know where your circadian rhythm is and where 622 00:33:00.029 --> 00:33:03.359 that is and manage that work. So I'm really glad 623 00:33:03.380 --> 00:33:07.119 you brought that up, Brooke. Thank you. As always, thank 624 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:08.400 you so much for coming on the show. 625 00:33:09.019 --> 00:33:11.150 Thank you again for having me. Love our conversation. Thank you. 626 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:20.789 Everybody, go to our website, coachingwithbrooke.com. Buy your book. Activate 627 00:33:21.029 --> 00:33:25.069 your ADHD potential. With that, we hope you've enjoyed this edition. 628 00:33:24.769 --> 00:33:25.890 Of Attention Talk Radio. 629 00:33:25.930 --> 00:33:26.339 Take care. 630 00:33:39.029 --> 00:33:39.910 We'll be right back.