บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Michael Collins (1996)

00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.560 hour and you're waiting for Michael Douglas to show up 72 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.879 either that or vice versa. And then at that point, 73 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.759 I believe they're called man eater wolfs show up and 74 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:08.919 it very similar to like Relic. Have you seen the Relic? Yeah? 75 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.439 I notice more right for that one. It's okay, not 76 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:12.360 one of my favorite. 77 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.719 Peter so very much like that, where it's just like 78 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:19.480 over halfway through it they're like, oh, the wolves that 79 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:21.800 eat people. We forgot we were actually talking about like 80 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:25.360 agriculture and shit for like the past hour of Val Kilmer, 81 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.199 and we forgot that this is actually a horror movie. 82 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:30.920 And number five is the first Wife Club, which is 83 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:32.639 the best movie of the bunch that I've seen of 84 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.279 this Okay, Also, I haven't seen High School hy since 85 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:38.439 I was like, I don't know seven, so I can't 86 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.279 really And then Thinner is like one of the worst 87 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.120 movies I've ever seen, truly dreadful picture. Number one song 88 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.319 of the US this week Macarena the Bayside Boys mixed 89 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.399 by Los de Rio fourteen weeks at number one. I 90 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.680 was there, I remember it. And number one song in 91 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.879 Cana this week, almost stereotypically is Slin Dion's It's All 92 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.600 Coming Back to Me Now. Like Macarina did not even 93 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.560 reach Canada, it never went number one. They were living 94 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:12.120 in their own world. Meanwhile, preschool were kindergarten me like 95 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:14.920 I do remember learning the dance in class because they 96 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:20.279 were just like preschool's fake who cares depoltic description from Google. 97 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.040 In the early twentieth century, Michael Collins played by am 98 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:25.439 Neeson leads the Irish Republican Army with the help of 99 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.079 his friends Harry Bolin played by Aiden Quinn and a 100 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.040 mondale Valira played by Alan Rickman in a violent battle 101 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.839 for Ireland's independence for Britain. But when he fears the 102 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.920 defeat of his revolution, Colins negotiates a treaty with the British, 103 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.800 deeming him a traitor to the I r. A. When 104 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:44.120 he receives orders to murder his friends, Collins must decide 105 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:48.519 where his loyalties lie. That happens in the movie because boy, hottie, 106 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.279 I I like. 107 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:52.319 This, but it is like a lot of like stuff 108 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.399 kind of just like happy where like you're just kind 109 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:56.560 of dropped into scenes where it's like, shit, we need 110 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:58.800 to run, like people are shooting out necessarily. It's like 111 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.399 a lot of k happening and everything, and there are 112 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:04.519 like certain things that like are kind of just like 113 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:06.439 like it's it's like a movie where like it like 114 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.720 it's like important stuff happens off screen where it's like 115 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.079 Ian Hart like starts into a Wars. It's like Michael 116 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:13.519 Collins run, all don't you know the war's over? 117 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.079 The Wars? Okay, all right, I mean yeah, there's just 118 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.040 so much like. 119 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:23.560 It. 120 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.240 There's there's a lot to get into with all of it. 121 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.720 And also it's very it doesn't necessarily hold your hand, 122 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:31.480 which I do kind of like, but also it's somebody 123 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.560 who doesn't know shit about the British and Ireland Wars 124 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.040 and such. I was just like h and also like 125 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:43.079 I assume the Irish Republican Army. It's kind of like 126 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.040 how back in the day people who were called Republicans 127 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:47.720 were actually Democrats and vice versa. 128 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:48.279 I don't know. 129 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.360 Written it directed by Neil Jordan Uh, the director of 130 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.480 Inn Dreams. Check them out. We're gonna talk about it. 131 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.720 I'm a lot so yeah, starring Liam Mason as Michael 132 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.160 Collins prior to this Scaliber in nineteen eighty one. I'm 133 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.519 not doing his captain obvious ones for the most part, 134 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:09.720 Krawl in nineteen eighty three, Suspect in a Prayer, Suspect 135 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.079 and a Prayer for the Dying in nineteen eighty seven, 136 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.000 dark Man in nineteen ninety Hell yeah, Leap of Faith 137 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.759 in nineteen ninety two. I'm gonna watch that garbage. I 138 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.040 believe Leap of Faith. David Spade made a joke about that, 139 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:24.639 and then Steve Martin was like, I'm never going to 140 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:28.240 Cinel ever again or no, it was the thing. He 141 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.439 made fun of it, and

then the next weekend he's 142 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.399 doing He's doing the Weekend Update, Hollywood Corner or whatever. 143 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.000 It's called in like Steve Martin walks up behind him 144 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.399 like that type of thing. Oh okay, the movie Before 145 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:42.720 and After in nineteen ninety six, after this, but not 146 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.759 before Le mis Rob in nineteen ninety six. I watched 147 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.360 that in class because you have to. 148 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:49.920 I had to watch that, you except it was dubbed 149 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.959 in French, so I wasn't actually here in and Jeffrey 150 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:54.759 Rush and Claar Danes and Uma Thurman. 151 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.439 That's very funny because I must have watched in eighth 152 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.560 or ninth grade if I remember correctly, And all I 153 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.800 remember is Leam Neison just kept going I'm a convict, 154 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.120 like just over and over and in my head that's 155 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.240 all the dialogue. The Haunting in nineteen ninety nine, that's 156 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:15.040 a dreadful picture. Nobody comes out of that movie looking good, truly. 157 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.319 Gun Shy in two thousand, which is a Sandra Bullock vehicle. 158 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.399 I have not seen, but I will say that two 159 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.360 people I follow have seen it. Gavin has seen it 160 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:27.680 one star. Dan Mecca has seen it one star, which 161 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.720 you know it's terrible. Then even Dan gives it the 162 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.639 one K nineteen. The Widow Maker in two thousand and two. Sure, 163 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:36.559 no one remembers him and Gangs in New York in 164 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.240 two thousand and two. Keensey in two thousand and four, 165 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.960 directed by Bill Condon, who directed God's and Monsters. Listen 166 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.840 to our episode if I remember correctly, my impersonation of Kingsley, 167 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.799 which just him talking to his dad and be like, yes, 168 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:49.679 what dad, I have a job and I talk about 169 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:54.960 boners and he's like, I'll have none of this. Chloe 170 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.080 in two thousand and nine, Charlie, you're in our prayers 171 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.679 the A team and twenty ten they are pulling me 172 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.559 off the keyboard before I say anything else. Mark Felt 173 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.919 colon The Man who brought Down the White House in 174 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:10.360 twenty and seventeen. I didn't know there was a subtitle that. 175 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:12.480 I mean, you kind of have to because be like 176 00:09:12.559 -->

00:09:15.200 Mark Felt, who's that, Oh, the man who brought down 177 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.080 the Oh? Okay, I'll take three tickets. 178 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:19.960 I guess they want They didn't want to put they 179 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.279 didn't want to call him deep throat that I wouldn't 180 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.960 have enough to fill the going to the ticket kiosk. 181 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.840 I mean that's the Simpsons joke and Nelson months walking 182 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:30.320 out and be like, I can think of two things 183 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:35.399 wrong with that. Title also starring Aidan Quinn, Stephen ray Alan, Rickman, 184 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:40.399 and Julia Roberts. Okay Dan mccatt told us this it 185 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.960 was like watch out for her accent. I didn't notice 186 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.000 it being any bad or any different than anybody else's. 187 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.240 It's more just like what accent. 188 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.639 I don't know she's doing no in and out of it. 189 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.799 Particularly. I think it's the scene when it's like when 190 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:58.879 it's cross cutting between her and Liam Eson in the 191 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:00.799 room and then all all I'm like killing like the 192 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.879 British guys like Charles Dance and all that. Like it's 193 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.240 like the scene where she comes up to him at 194 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.039 the curtain and I'm like, the game you just not 195 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.639 like you're speaking in your natural American accent. 196 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:12.440 If she was like this scene, they're gonna play at 197 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.759 the Oscars, and I don't want to have a phony 198 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.679 blooney Irish accent, so I'm just gonna talk normally, like 199 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.759 I like, I'm I'm obviously not Irish, so I can't 200 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:24.200 tell what's good or bad as if like if they 201 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.519 were doing like an American accent and they're Irish persons, 202 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:29.679 in which they are always great whenever whenever foreigners do 203 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.120 American accents, but I was just like, sounds kind of 204 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.399 like an Irish accent to me. It's not that bad. 205 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.720 It's not Tom cruising far and away. But let's see, uh, trivia, 206 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.840 I have some things here. Despite continuing several brutal scenes 207 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.159 of violence, the film was given a very lenient PG 208 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.159 ratied in Ireland, which I'm sure in Ireland it's like 209 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:52.519 instead of PG, it's like three heads of a goat 210 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:53.399 or something like that. 211 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:53.879 I don't know. 212 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.600 The Irish paper fucking come for me. It became the 213 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.879 second most successful movie ever released in Ireland. Mary Louise 214 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:02.759 Parker was at a point of being signed on for 215 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.039 the part of Kitty when Neil Marshall got a call 216 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:08.799 from Julia Roberts, which imagine that and be like, yeah, 217 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:10.279 I'm almost about to get it, and he was just 218 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.519 like somebody more successful called I'm sorry, Like jeez, Which 219 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.159 what was Mary Louise Parker doing around that time, because 220 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:18.919 Boys on the. 221 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.679 Side maybe comes out that year with her go Brig 222 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.279 and Drew berrymar were just charming. She'd been with clients 223 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.639 and Fried Green Tomatoes, but those are a few years before, 224 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.200 so like that's just thinking of what she was in 225 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:29.919 around that time. 226 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:31.720 Boys on the Side. Who directed that. 227 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:36.240 That's Oh my gosh, Herbert Ross, who did Foolers. 228 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:41.879 Ross, Herbert Ross, who did My Blue Heaven? Yes, okay, 229 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.080 Herbert Ross Footlers, Yeah, my Blue Heaven. You know? Did 230 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:47.840 you know? It's kind of good Fellas before good Fellows? 231 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.000 Did you know that? The film received general positive reviews 232 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.200 from critics, but was criticized by some for its historical inaccuracies. 233 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.399 Neil Jordan definded his film by saying it could not 234 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.759 provide an entirely accurate account of the instance. There was 235 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:00.799 a two hour film that had to be understandable to 236 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.960 an international audience. It would not know that minue show 237 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:08.440 of Irish history. Buddy, I still don't understand gambril Byrne 238 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.720 was attached to the role of Michael Collins when Michael 239 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.720 Chimino was set to direct it. The final song by 240 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:17.559 Elie Goldenthal in the film Funeral Slash Coda is actually 241 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.919 Goldenthal's rejected finale for the movie Heat from nineteen ninety five, 242 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.639 which director Michael Mann replaced with an existant MOBI piece. 243 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:25.879 Oh I mean. 244 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.799 Yeah, you were just like that shuit have okay? Bottom 245 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.159 of the Barrel DVD fact here from IMDb. The first 246 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.200 DVD

release was a was flippable and had two sides, 247 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.799 much like an old LP, similar to the first DVD 248 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.480 release of Robin Hood Prince of Thieves in nineteen ninety one. 249 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.039 You say that, like that means. 250 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:49.759 Something wide screen, full screen. 251 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.080 I think, hold on that, We're not done. In one 252 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.360 of the first scenes, Michael Collins fought along with the 253 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:01.480 rebellion against the military. After you flip over the DVD, 254 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.120 the first scene shown is Collins now on the military side, 255 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.840 fighting against the newly formed rebellion. The side change of 256 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:10.240 the DVD dramastically marks the change of Colin's position. Shut 257 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:16.759 the fuck up, that makes sure, But that wasn't done intentionally. 258 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.080 And also why was the DVD released half of the 259 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.679 movie on one side and the other half, so one 260 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.000 half was an hour and the other half was another hour? 261 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.320 Like, you know, that's the thing I do strongly associated with, 262 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.080 like the ages taves, like you know, the first tape 263 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:35.320 with the Titanic of Titanic. No, but like yeah, well yeah, 264 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.399 and but it's just I do associate with tapes just 265 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.320 because of like I think of them not having as 266 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.840 much you know, room and everything. But then like you know, 267 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.080 I remember when I was in university, I had I 268 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.360 had to watch Wiatt the Lawrence Kasten movie, which is 269 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.080 also very long, and that like the DVD was like 270 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.279 it's like, you know, he shows up at times like 271 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.200 I'm wide or it says put in disc too, and 272 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:56.279 I'm like, OK. 273 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.000 I mean yeah, that's the thing is they cut it 274 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.759 in half. Usually at the midpoint there's you know, escalating action. 275 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.240 So it's not exactly I don't think people are Warner Brothers, 276 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.679 just like and right here, it would be perfect and 277 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:15.360 that that we made sure when we fit whatever I'm going. 278 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:15.960 In charge of, Like if it was like to be 279 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:17.120 like it's sort. 280 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.600 Of like I'm white as it's like my please please 281 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:27.240 put in chute sentence. If the price of freedom is 282 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.559 the blackling of my name, will pay it. 283 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.399 The New York Times says Michael Collins is passionate, sweeping, 284 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.960 and entertaining. CBS TV says Lea Needson a shure to 285 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:38.399 win an Oscar nomination. 286 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:38.960 Won't they started? 287 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:40.039 There'll be no stuff. 288 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.679 It's a powerful, strong, and provocative epic raives the Los 289 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.279 Angeles Times with romance, passion, and excitement and Cisco and me, 290 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.799 but give it two thumbs up. Michael Collins righted are 291 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:54.320 now playing Select Cities, opens October twenty. 292 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.519 Okay, that's all the trivia I have. You did much 293 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:57.840 more extensive trivia. 294 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.120 Let's maybe don't don't keep too much credit on me. 295 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.080 But yeah, what do I have here? I mean, yeah, 296 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.799 the Irish popularity of the movie. Like you know, obviously 297 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.799 reading an article from like twenty sixteen where there was 298 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.360 like a you know, a special twentieth anniversary screening with 299 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.200 like a new digital print at the Savoy Cinema in Dublin. 300 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.080 So like the movie has like, you know, quite the 301 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:24.039 reputation in like that that sort of like local popularity factor. Yeah. 302 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.159 This it's just interesting because I don't know Neil Jordan's 303 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.039 like popularity now as a filmmaker. I feel like his 304 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:32.039 last movie, Marlowe with Liam Neeson was not like especially 305 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:34.399 did not really make much of a splash, but like 306 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.200 this was like, you know, up blank up, blank check project, 307 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:38.759 because you know, it's like the one two punch of 308 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:43.720 like the sort of awards and financial success of the 309 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:45.720 Crying Game. Followed up with the interview of the Vampire, 310 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:47.639 which was like a smash hit, and then David Gevin 311 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:49.639 basically being like, what do you want to make? And 312 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.720 then Jordan's saying, I wrote the script for Michael Collins 313 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.879 movie like back when I was starting out, and now 314 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.120 I want to make this, and he gets like thirty 315 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.080 million to make it. Like that's really cool that he 316 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:02.080 got to do that, like that Passion Project. Whatever you 317 00:16:02.159

--> 00:16:03.879 think about the movie itself. 318 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.039 The thing is that David Geffen was just like, okay, 319 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:12.080 crying game, sensational, sexy, controversial interview with the vampire, We 320 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.759 got Tom Cruise, all this stuff. What do you got? 321 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:19.000 He was like, how about an Irish revolutionary from the nineteen. 322 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:26.000 Tenth Okay, you've earned it. Yeah. The controversy with the movie, 323 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.039 like you said, with the historical inaccuracies where like you 324 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.399 know the where it's the interesting thing. I didn't know 325 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.200 that the scene where like the tanks coming to the 326 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.320 rugby field and shoot a bunch of spectators and players 327 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.960 that was an event known as some bloody Sunday, which 328 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.480 that was like and I was like, I was thinking, 329 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.159 I didn't know that there was like another terrible event 330 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:46.600 in Irish history called bloody Sunday from like you know, 331 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.600 different decades in that century. But I guess people were like, 332 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.480 it's and now a lot of people were killed fourteen 333 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.279 deaths recorded, but like it is like I guess you know, 334 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.440 people were like people were saying, oh, it's like Jordan 335 00:16:57.519 --> 00:16:59.240 maybe like puffing this up where it's like, you know, 336 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.279 who is like was it clear that like because in 337 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.559 the movie, I guess it's like they say, they make 338 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.440 it seem like it's more deliberate that they like shoot 339 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.839 the rugby player who refuses to stop the game and anything. 340 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:11.720 But then like I guess like people were saying, oh, 341 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.319 was it actually that they were? You know, I mean 342 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.880 it's all honestly, it's stupid nitpicking, like you know the 343 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.519 thing of like saying, well, were they just like firing 344 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.640 in discriminately or like were they actually going after people? 345 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.440 It's like they shot people. It sucks, like what are 346 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.559 you talking about? And anything? And it's Yeah. The other 347 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:29.440 controversy to is like how the ending of the movie 348 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.119 makes it seem aim and David Lera who later became 349 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.440 Ireland's president for many years later that century, how like 350 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.119 it makes him look like he was responsible for like 351 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.680 sort of giving the go ahead from Michael Collins' death, 352 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.039 which I agree with Jordan that it doesn't really make 353 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:46.839 it seem like that he's just more kind of like 354 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.440 passive and everything. It's more like Jonathan Reesemeyers' character takes 355 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.920 the reins from it, which I looked at I checked 356 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.759 I'm in the movie and everything, especially because Joahthan restarts up. 357 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:58.359 I'm like, oh, hey, like I know him more just 358 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.680 you know, from later movies and anything. But then like uhm, 359 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:03.400 Collins like has the scene with him and he's like, 360 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.599 what's your name? Boy? I know anything. I'm thinking, is 361 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.200 this gonna get to try I'd be like where where 362 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:08.960 Johnthan retards is like going to try out to be 363 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.279 like some famous dude who like, you know, in like 364 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.079 history and everything. I mean kind of like if you 365 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:17.200 were making like an a uh like uh uh I 366 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.440 guess I'm thinking of like you know, when I watched 367 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.400 like The lawn Riders where it's what the James Deaner game, 368 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:23.359 It's like it's like justin James going in me to 369 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:25.720 get meet these guys. It's like, hey, just James meet 370 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:31.319 Bob Ford. Just being like, oh, well that's gonna end badly. 371 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.680 Well, nobody will ever hear from him again, I'm just like, hey, 372 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.440 where do you I'm one of the mortal instruments. Wait 373 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.400 in the City of Bones. That's me from Paris with 374 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:46.759 love and then cuts. Also I needed to I needed 375 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:48.519 to look up because I was like, there's more than 376 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.359 one Bloody Sunday. And I was like, well, which bloody 377 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.240 Sunday is YouTube talking about on Sunday? Bloody Sunday that's 378 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:58.839 from seventy two, yeah, not not from this time. Also 379 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:01.839 Sunday Buddy Sunday, the cover of it by Saul Williams. 380 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:02.839 That's my shit right there. 381 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:04.920 But yeah, I guess people were pestive about the Amen 382 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.519 Diblera stuff and Jordan, I think is a little bit 383 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:08.599 of basse of it. But he did say in a 384 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:10.720 couple of figure us he's like also like he says like, well, 385 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.000 I

grew up in Ireland when he was president and 386 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.640 I didn't really like that. So maybe there's I think 387 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.279 he was maybe like possibly admitting like there was maybe 388 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.000 just a little bit of uh, you know, I ill 389 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.519 feeling sarage towards him. A lot of controversy but or 390 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:25.240 not controversy but sort of like kind of a tense 391 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:27.799 atmosphere because this movie's come in the nineties and it's 392 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.640 making movies. It's a movie about the IRA, and there 393 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.960 are the IRA is still carrying out attacks while the 394 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.039 movie's being made. It says like in February ninety six. 395 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:39.720 This is from a Rolling Stone article by Fred Strewers. 396 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:41.839 It says in Februar nineteen niney six, the seventeen months 397 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.759 ceasefire ended when IRA bombing London's Financial district killed two. 398 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.920 By standards, now Laca Collins opeens just weeks after an 399 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.119 alleged IRA agent the violence sort of the toucher BRIT's 400 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.079 view is a mc Collins's spiritual errors was killed in 401 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.039 the London police raid, made allegations seeking and several confederates 402 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:58.960 arrested on the same day had been stashing explosives with 403 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:01.599 the aim of sabotage the tunnel beneath the English Channel. 404 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.319 I just feel like mentioning this quote because I feel like, 405 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:06.160 even though though this is like, I think of like, well, 406 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.720 this is what they intended, but it clearly did not 407 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.039 have this impact on one Kevin Tutor, where it says 408 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.119 producer Stephen Wooley, what was important to me was that 409 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.279 Michael Collins wasn't going to be a dry movie. Don't 410 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:15.960 have to be a sense of the surreal, this strange 411 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:17.519 to make a fly because with that the Neil Jordan 412 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.000 imprint on this, it was simply become a history lesson 413 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.519 And Kevin, you're hearing it, you're probably thinking, still still 414 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:25.519 does it? 415 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.279 It was? It was wild. I think I thought it 416 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.279 was like the end of the movie for like five 417 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:31.519 seconds and I was like, there's no way. It like 418 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.119 pops up with a title card with like forty minutes left, 419 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.599 and I was like, you

couldn't have conveyed this any 420 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.960 way besides putting up a random title card. 421 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.400 They do have a lot of title cards. Yeah, And 422 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:44.960 it's also just like the thing of like I don't 423 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:46.559 know why they had to have the framing device of 424 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.160 Ian Hart saying like Michael Collins was a great man. 425 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.039 Here's the movie telling you why hap to come back 426 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:53.559 at the end. 427 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:58.319 It does also am pretty sure open with Alan Rickman 428 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:00.720 being like, man, he sure did. I didn't he And 429 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:05.160 I was like, hey, man, what the fuck. I guess 430 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:08.359 it's a thing of I guess it's not that big 431 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:09.640 of a spoiler or whatever. 432 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:13.759 But yeah, she was you'd be amazed that a guy 433 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:16.759 who was in his twenties in the nineteen tens and 434 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.720 twenties didn't wasn't still alive by the time the movie 435 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:20.200 came out. 436 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:26.039 But I mean you could have been ninety. Yeah, the 437 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:27.720 IRA had anything just say. 438 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.039 Oh that was another wild thing too, is that that Jordan? 439 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:35.440 This is Jordan saying this, but like that, like for 440 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.960 like the big bloody Sunday scene one of the extras, 441 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.319 and there were like a lot of people like who 442 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:41.039 were extras in this movie because they were like, you know, 443 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.039 this just like a big big deal in Ireland, as 444 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:44.599 you said, and anything. Some people wanted to be extras 445 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:46.480 in the movie. Some people just wanted to see the making. 446 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.039 But one of the extras in that scene was Michael 447 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.960 Collins's grandies. I think it's what Jordan said and like 448 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.960 you didn't know about it until like she showed up 449 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.799 and everything. He was just like wow, wild and they 450 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:58.400 do you think Michael Collins's family at the end of 451 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:00.880 the credits. The other thing too, like people, you know, 452 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.599 people dying, is that they I think they talked about 453 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:08.720 in another article that the Stephen Ray character ned broy 454 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.640 This is from a Joel Boco article on Lost in 455 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.680 the Movies from twenty ten where it says that Ned 456 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.440 broy he is He's

like it's a composite of like him, 457 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.799 like you know a detective who collaborate with the IRA. 458 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:23.000 This is Baco saying with a three volunteers killed on 459 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.759 eve bloody Sunday particular, and people were there was consternation 460 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:28.400 about it because Broyd lived well into old age, playing 461 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.240 an important part of the Civil War period, whereas like 462 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:31.920 in the movie they make it like a big deal 463 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:34.519 kind of in like the escalation of like you know 464 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.160 fighting it's the British, you know, when when they like 465 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.559 kill Stephen Ray's character. Just talking about there was an 466 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.680 article I I read from History Irawood by Luke Gibbons 467 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:45.480 where I was talking about this movie how Jordan was 468 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.799 like lifting kind of consciously from like gangster movies like 469 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.960 The Godfather, especially like with the scene where they're cross 470 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.960 kind of between like you know, Julia Robertson and Leamyson 471 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.440 talking about like you know, fat flowers and bouquets and everything, 472 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:00.400 and then like you know, all the assassinations. 473 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.079 I'll get I'll get to their relationship eventually. 474 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.319 Oh, this is another weird thing. I find this interesting. 475 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:10.440 There's a really good pace start. There was a paste 476 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.720 article that was coming by Kiara Maloney. Sorry if I'm 477 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.759 getting their name wrong, but they were talking about how like, 478 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:18.559 you know the legacy of this movie being like really 479 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.119 popular in Ireland and not so much elsewhere, how it 480 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.920 was like you know, a classroom staple growing up in Ireland, 481 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.480 and uh, you know there was like re releases. 482 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:28.319 Uh. 483 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.319 The author said that they had a paperback copy of 484 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:35.079 the screenplay. But also they say that the scene where 485 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.519 Steven Ray's character ned Roy is taking notes at one 486 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.880 of Michael Collins's speeches is quote the definitive meme of 487 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.720 Irish twitter. The Goachy responds to any and all west 488 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:46.359 bridgery and I'm just like, I love that, I love it. 489 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:47.200 I love that this. 490 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.799 Used as like a saucy meme. I just think that's 491 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:52.319 so funny. 492 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:54.599 Oh, you're pulling out the Collins meme, Maria. Oh. 493 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.559 The other big thing too, we talked about this before 494 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.279 were gone on, Mike, is that the movie ends the 495 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:02.799 shocking uh from that Michael Collins was in his thirties 496 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:04.559 when he died, and he is played by a forty 497 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.680 like a forty something Liam Neeson that was, and I 498 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:09.920 was like, name wool, I mean, I don't know, But 499 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:12.279 then you see pictures of like people of young people 500 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:14.920 like in that era, and it's it's like, I don't know. 501 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:18.880 Maybe he lived a cigarette smoke and drinking. Maybe that 502 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.920 was the kind of thing that was going on there. 503 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.440 Dying from the common cold and shit. Uh. He played 504 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.039 Roam Collins died at thirty one, I believe, and leam 505 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.079 Neson was playing him at forty three. And the movie 506 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.559 starts out in nineteen sixteen, and I believe Collins dies 507 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:39.200 in nineteen twenty two, So Collins was twenty six and 508 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.240 Liam Neeson was still playing him as a forty three 509 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.359 year old. Well, that's nuts. 510 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.759 And it's just funny too, because Jordan said in an 511 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.359 interview with Atrish American Magazine, when he was called that 512 00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:54.119 on sort of casting an American actress to play Kitty 513 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:56.680 the love Interest, how I says, like my perception at 514 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.839 the time was I might be wrong. He was probably 515 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.240 always that. There was a tremendous amount of very strong 516 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.319 male actors between eighteen and twenty six, but the best 517 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:06.720 of the Irish actresses, like brid Brennan. We're all just 518 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:08.640 slightly too old for that role. So I started looking. 519 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:10.680 I brought it. Julia called me up. Seems a little 520 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:12.920 shit to say that when you're casting the very old 521 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:16.200 or you know, but comparatively much older Liam needs to 522 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.680 play that role. But of Michael Collins. 523 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.880 But yeah, whatever, he hired her because they thought of it. 524 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.240 People go see the movie of Julia Roberts, who was 525 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.039 ended over Mary Louise Parker, which you're not wrong, but 526 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.720

also not really because most people want to go see 527 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.839 where Irish people and they're not just like going ahead 528 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.799 over heels for fucking Julia Roberts. 529 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:36.599 I guess it's like, you know, there's like talk about 530 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.319 like always the movie like too sympathetic to Michael Collins 531 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:41.440 and everything portray him. It's like, you know, pretty like 532 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:42.880 you know, having like only just a little bit of 533 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.400 conflict but overall being like better and then like you know, 534 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.799 maybe the British being like you know, it's sort of 535 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.119 like maybe being a little too clear cut between and 536 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.799 making the British looking look bad and everything, but like 537 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:57.039 it's also just like you look at like evil colonizing 538 00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:58.880 forces and it's just like I don't know, man, like 539 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:01.680 real life is just like can be just like really 540 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.839 extreme in anything. Like it's like I don't know, and uh. 541 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.960 Somebody please think of the British. 542 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.319 And I guess also just a Neil Jordan like talking 543 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.640 about like how he like says like he's like, you know, 544 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.799 he doesn't support the IRA and he doesn't support violence. 545 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.480 It's like it's like thort of a tool and anything, 546 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.319 but he is like trying to understand it and everything. 547 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:21.359 I think that's like and I think that's an interesting distinction. 548 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.839 It's like I think Neil Jordan definitely, Uh, what is 549 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.160 the scene where they're going through the building and there's 550 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.119 people outside the windows like throwing food at him and whatnot, 551 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:30.640 and then they start shooting at him and then my 552 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.480 man with the cleanest Molotov cocktail chunks of shit right 553 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.000 at their truck. I mean, that's been a little too 554 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.960 much fun for that to be like violence is not 555 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:39.480 the answer. 556 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.079 Well yeah, but but I mean it is like the 557 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.680 thing I think showing how it is like differently weighted 558 00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.680 in everything, how it's like the British and just as 559 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.680 the at least he's portrayed in this movie are setting 560 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.279 the tone for all this like they are like, you know, 561 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.720 like it's like, oh my goodness, I mean pelts him 562 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.160 and Lennis, I gotta shoot somebody. It's just like it's 563 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.119 just like when that's like your means, it's like, I 564 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.359 don't I feel like you lose the high ground baron 565 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:05.039 or anything. It's just like, yeah, anyways. 566 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.519 Didn't even they didn't even watch the Veggies before they 567 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.480 threw it on us, don't you understand, Captain? 568 00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:09.759 Yeah. 569 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.759 No's that's that's the majority of the stuff that I 570 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:17.160 found in my research. Hopefully that's I'm giving enough good context. There. 571 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:23.119 Open the Michael Collins biography and we'll start from page one. Yeah. Yeah. 572 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.559 As far as opinions on this, this movie is not 573 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.920 made for me. This movie is very dry. I think 574 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.319 Nisson is good. I don't think I've ever seen leam 575 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.559 Neson not be at least passably good. Okay, So Julia 576 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.920 Roberts is in this movie and she is dating somebody, 577 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.440 and at one point leam Mason approaches them. It's like, hey, 578 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.759 how's it going, and he's like, I can see when 579 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.319 I'm not wanted. And they don't even do like no, no, no, no, 580 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:51.799 it's good. They just like look at him and be 581 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:57.039 like all right bye, and then that guy goes off. 582 00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.000 I don't know if he's going off to whatever. 583 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.680 No, he goes to a mayor. He goes because Alan 584 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.160 in the tipulary, I want to like tell American people 585 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.440 about like our Irish cause or anything un is. And 586 00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.359 it has to be with the Rickman over that, because 587 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.079 he's say like, you're taking away my right hand man, 588 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.160 like you know we're not gonna be You're worried about us, 589 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.240 like starting up trouble together. And then that's when he 590 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:18.279 and Roberts get closer. 591 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:23.240 That's right, get closer. He is. He's still an eyeshot. 592 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.759 My man goes over and starts making out there, which 593 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.079 I get because people were coming up to her being like, hey, 594 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.559 what are you doing? And he likes pretending that they're together. 595 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:39.880 But what he was waiting, he probably paid those cops 596

00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.640 to go and a harassmer just so he could be pretend. Yeah, whatever. 597 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:48.480 I don't understand their relationship whatsoever, like whatsoever other than like, 598 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.880 well it is an hour into this movie, and we 599 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:52.839 do need a romance. And I'm like, I don't get it. 600 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.920 Why are they talking about flowers in a room, like 601 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.559 I don't care, but it's just so funny, like literally 602 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.559 five seconds, like the dude is on the train and 603 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:06.000 being like you can still clearly see Julia Roberts and 604 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:10.680 then leam Neeson just pulling up from forty not to Okay, 605 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.160 how old was Julia Roberts at the time, I had to, 606 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.319 I would say mid thirties probably. 607 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.759 Let's see she's born in next and sixty seven, I think. 608 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.200 So she's twenty nine. 609 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:26.000 Yeah, there you go, probably twenty eight when she's calling this. 610 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.599 Yeah, okay. I don't know why I asked, but. 611 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.200 Uh, canceling Michael Collins years after his death from. 612 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.960 From the grave. I mean, the real story is probably like, yeah, 613 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.920 she was like seventeen probably, but like I assume because 614 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.559 you said one of her, one of his granddaughters was 615 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:50.680 in the movie as a grand niece. So I unless 616 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.359 the historical inaccuracies is this woman who's played by Julia 617 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.119 Roberts's eventually the woman that has his children. 618 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.880 I don't know, and can he and I can look 619 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.559 up actually how far apart she was in age. She's 620 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.400 born in eighteen eighty three, Uncle Collins, damn. She was 621 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.519 also born in eighteen eighty, so there's a three year 622 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.559 difference between them that does not look like a three 623 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.200 year difference. So as played by Liam Neeson and Julia Roberts, 624 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:14.519 he's like. 625 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.240 Meason twenty five in this movie and he has crows feet. 626 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.640 I think it even makes a crackable points like what 627 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.359 would you watch with an old man like me? And 628 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.200 then it's just like and the movie is like thirty one, 629 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.920 I guess, like, but then again I guess it's like 630 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.200 what was the mortality rate in like you know, in 631 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.079 Ireland in the early twentieth century, it's like if you're 632 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.559 thirty one or you like, it's like, oh kens in 633 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:33.039 the end. 634 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.440 Now thirty one you have three grandchildren? Like favorite that 635 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.240 what's the one thing? It was like you give a 636 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:43.200 pilgrim a sour patch kid and fucking kill them. The 637 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.599 same thing with Michael Collins and be like, dude, you 638 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.200 don't have to shoot him or try to go through 639 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.799 all of this like dog, I got like high, high, 640 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.920 high contrast fucking sugar frutos to give to him and 641 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.240 knock his ass out immediately. It is very funny where 642 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.599 they like they at the ambush at the end they 643 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:01.759 have to do all that to kill him, and I 644 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:06.200 was like, y'all had so many opportunities, Like he was 645 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.440 never really hiding. Even when Alan Rickman, like they broke 646 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.759 break him out of prison, like the next day he's 647 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.519 just out in the middle of fucking any Yeah. 648 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:16.400 It's and the thing is like I guess it's just 649 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.920 again remembering the times, Like Michael Collins says like, well, 650 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.759 but the thing is like my anonymity and no one 651 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:22.880 knowing who I am. It brings the mind the John 652 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.599 Lady bit of talking about like going to see public 653 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.680 enemies and being like so if you rob the bank 654 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.640 in like the twenties, as long as you work there 655 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.200 when they cop shut up, you can basically get away 656 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:33.400 with it. 657 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.400 Well, there's there's a shot in the movie where it's 658 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.200 just like there's a horde of people and they're like, 659 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.279 who's Michael Collins And they just like throw some like 660 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.200 little guy and he's like he's Michael Collins. He's shorter 661 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.240 than you think, Isn't. 662 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.680 He amazing that that guy doesn't get like immediately shot. 663 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.119 Just keeps throwing people out there and be like that's 664 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.640 a ninth person we've killed who said they're Michael Collins. 665 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.400 And that fuckers still out there already was with Julia 666 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.240 Roberts last week. Who's that? Don't worry. I guess there 667

00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.480 is stuff to talk about, except not just in the 668 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.599 movie for me, because I it was it was one 669 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.359 of those I was watching the movie trying to concentrate, 670 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.880 and I was like, didn't I get Contact Solution? I 671 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.279 thought I bought Contact Solution at Target? Did I buy Contact? 672 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.359 Hold on, let me pause this. I gotta go check 673 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.480 and be like I really should have bought Contact what 674 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.680 I was at Target and I didn't buy it? And 675 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.880 then I'm watching it again, I'm like, should I go 676 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.799 and pick some content? That type of thing where I'm 677 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.880 just like focus and I'm like, okay, okay, I am focused? 678 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.079 Focus Will Will Smith in the movie Focus? Have I 679 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:36.519 seen Focus? 680 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.079 It was to be the purpose of even needing to 681 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.519 your brain was to be ads. 682 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.559 Basically, I thought that was a two hour long movie. 683 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:50.920 Why did it take you three and a half hours? Brain? Ads? 684 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.000 I don't know what to tell you, but I mean 685 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:55.000 I am like that where it's not like I'm scrolling 686 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.920 on my phone, just be like I can't follow this movie. 687 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.839 I'm like sitting there and I'm just like, wait what 688 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.039 just happened? And after aw I can't I can only 689 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.559 go back so many times to be like, what just happened? 690 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.880 Oh what does that mean? Whatever? Like but what what 691 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.279 you what were the highlights for you? As far as 692 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.680 just I mean it is a biopic kind of not 693 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:14.640 really thankfully. 694 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.920 Yeah, I mean he's definitely the character that they flesh 695 00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:23.680 out the most for sure, Michael Collins himself. It's I mean, 696 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.640 what's the joke that people love to decide from the senses? 697 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.799 Like every time Michael Collins is on screen, people should 698 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.720 be asking where is Michael Collins? Yeah? I think the 699 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:34.400 thing I liked about this sort of took me best 700 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.519 surprise was like it was was how there was like 701 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.519 kind of a how like Neil Jordan did sort of 702 00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:44.000 like remember, sort of did make a lot of this 703 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.720 look exciting, makes it sound like it's glorifine and anything, 704 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.960 but like there is like a great amount of tension 705 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.759 to it and like and sort of making it the 706 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.839 gangster sort of movie influence. I'm not sure that's what 707 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.279 I thought of and anything, but it's like there is 708 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.440 like sort of like a genre fiel of a genre movie. 709 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.640 I think especially I like the Principer scene where like 710 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.480 they're using like signals of to like you know, you know, 711 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.839 and like I to like communicate with each other like 712 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.440 when they're going to like execute the next step in 713 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.079 their plan. And I think the way like Jordan like 714 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.000 cuts it all together like very fluidly does like give 715 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:14.440 you a sense of like sort of like a cool 716 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.440 plan being set into place almost kind of like a 717 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.000 highest movie. Sounds like a lousy comparison or anything, but 718 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:21.920 it's like, you know when like you know, Gleason is 719 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.280 like you know, has a gun that's in the head 720 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.159 of a driver and like gets them to flashes lights 721 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.000 cut to a cut to a much further away in 722 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.000 the scene, Aid and Quinn lights a cigarette, then cut 723 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.199 them like the other side and Liam Neeson like you know, 724 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.840 using the key to like break Alan Rickman at a prison. 725 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.800 And I'm like thinking, Oh, it's so cool. How like 726 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.599 they're all like you know, speaking to each other and 727 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.519 like the know, in their own sort of code and everything. 728 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.159 And I don't know, I like that sort of like 729 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.000 the covert operations and there are like a lot of 730 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.280 it's sometimes it's a bit dizzy and how much is happening. 731 00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.159 How much incident is happening to the movie where you're 732 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.000 just dropped into a scene, uh, and like like I 733 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.800 like there's like the scene where I think it's Alan 734 00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.159 Rickman once he comes back from America. He's just out 735 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.039 to see This suggests some sort of I'm sorry, my 736 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:05.039 memory is sort of betraying me at this moment. 737 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.639 But he's just on the custom house. 738 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.800 Yes, And Michael con says that seems

like a bad idea. 739 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.920 The camera's frantic as fu Yeah. 740 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.000 And Jordan shoots it all very dynamically and like the 741 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.559 Chris Benji's cinematography. I love like all the gorgeous blue 742 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.360 smoky lightning like gives it like such a sense of 743 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.239 texture of probably what getting sort of a sense of 744 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.440 what it all feels like, and all feels very sort 745 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.360 of suffused with melancholy, even like in the in the 746 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.400 moments of like when they're feeling joy, it's like often 747 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.599 undercutting that in the next scene. But like it is 748 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.039 just like a thing where it's like whoa, we're like handling, 749 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:44.400 like we're like like going like hurdling like through plot here, 750 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:46.960 Like it's a lot that's happening, and sometimes like it 751 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:48.400 can be a bit tough to keep up with. 752 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.519 Chris Benji's who shot Stop Loss, which will become in 753 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.119 the next mini series There we Go. He also shot 754 00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:55.440 the Good Thief. 755 00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.920 Gorgeous looking movie. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah, there's that 756 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:01.599 great scene in that movie where like they go to 757 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.199 visit some guy who's gonna like help them, like you know, 758 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.719 with like some sort of tech stuff, and it's like 759 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.679 just this blue room where he's like playing the electric 760 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.840 guitar or this guy's like playing electric guitar, and like 761 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.559 it's like they can all these green lasers just shoot 762 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.880 around the room in these crazy directions. Oh, it's awesome. 763 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.599 He also shot I'm sorry a movie that does not exist, 764 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.719 but I need to tell Jack Draper about this because 765 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:25.519 it's directed by Tommy Lee Jones. The Three Burials Melliquad's Estrata. 766 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:29.159 Yeah, I've heard that's really good. I think that's fake movie. 767 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.519 It's a gamera ariaga. I think we wrote that the 768 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:36.039 guy who wrote like amars Paros, the inter Retoo movie. 769 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:44.159 Yes, also staring January Jones our finest film actress, okay, Michael. 770 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:49.199 Collins, Yeah, no, and I liked. I do think there 771 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.039 are like some parts of this movie that didn't entirely 772 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:51.400 work for me. 773 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:51.920 I do think. 774 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.760 I think the part where I wrote in my notes, Okay, 775 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.159 this is a bit much is the cross cutting climax 776 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:59.719 between Julie Roberts wedding shopping and Michael Collins getting this 777 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.239 sass while Shernado o'cnnor sings about wedding days on the 778 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.599 center track. The Shneada connor's on is great. Don't get 779 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.400 me wrong. I love Shranada O'Connor, And I think the 780 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.719 actual scene of Collins of his death, I think is 781 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.280 like quite well staged and everything, but like it's just 782 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.519 like that's like cut into Roberts. So it's how often 783 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.079 they cut to Roberts in the wedding dress. I think 784 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.159 when those they're trading it, I'm like, that's a bit much. 785 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.920 Whereas I really like the follow up scene where it's 786 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.039 her return to the hotel where she's staying at and 787 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.400 like the sais and guy like coming to like sort 788 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.760 of moving like left across like the stair ups there 789 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.519 and then and then they like cross pass eventually and 790 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.880 he's like, I need to tell you something, and she doesn't, 791 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.840 Like she just like immediately gets it so and well directed. 792 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.480 To they're not going to have that wedding. I don't 793 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.119 think you've understood when she was at the. 794 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.679 I know it's uh, that was the part where I 795 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.599 was like, okay, yeah, so I think that was Like 796 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.440 my thing with the movie is like I was taken 797 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.599 with sort of like the sheer amount of like incident. 798 00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:57.639 And I do think like missing is quite good in 799 00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.440 this how like, especially like when he is playing his 800 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.599 characters sort of like as like a bit mischievous and everything. 801 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.239 Like I think it's really funny when like they finally 802 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.679 like sign like the peace Treaty where it's like they're 803 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.840 gonna like there's still gonna be under British rule, but 804 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.639 like they're and they're gonna divide up like Ireland and everything, 805 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.360 but like there's like there's gonna be like some compromises 806 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:17.679 that will help him out and everything. And then like 807 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.960 Leam Theesen is told that he's late to the meeting

808 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:21.880 where they're like they're they're sort of putting the thing 809 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.119 into and display where they're lowering the British flag. It's 810 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:26.960 like he's told, you're seven minutes late. It's like you 811 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.079 found our country for seven hundred years, you can wait 812 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:30.400 to set, you can have your seven minutes. And then 813 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.039 he says, do I have to broad out hats now? 814 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:33.840 When he's liked and I was just like, I just 815 00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:35.519 like that these sort of like messing with people while 816 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.000 also like clearly like having a lot of passion for 817 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.519 like since your passion for his country and wanting to 818 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.280 be free and that. And that's an interesting thing too 819 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.000 that the movie has where it is like a lot 820 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.039 of like the sort of the third act thing. It's 821 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.760 like and it is interesting thing like when you're watching 822 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.320 it's like forty minutes, it's like, oh, there's like forty 823 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:54.880 minutes left to this movie. It's like but like they 824 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.679 just said that the war's over. It's like, well no, 825 00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.440 there's like an immedia fallout from that where it's like 826 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.039 division amongst the Irish. But I do think it's interesting 827 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:04.960 how it's like not just you know, I don't think 828 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.320 it entirely the movie is that portraying. It's like, man, 829 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.119 those Irish, they really just couldn't keep it together. It's 830 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.320 like the and it's a thing that I think they 831 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.800 they make like a passing reference to it about like 832 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:16.320 it's like, well, we could get like Churchill's men to 833 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.719 like come back in and like Niece says, Oh, that's 834 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.280 what you want, isn't it. And it is interesting of 835 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.199 how like I'm not saying this is what happened or 836 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.480 that movie is like necessarily necessarily saying that. But it's 837 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.239 like the British are like so hard on the Irish 838 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:29.920 in this movie and like you know, really going after 839 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.400 them in brutal ways, and then they give them the deal. 840 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.039 But then it's like almost kind of like they're just 841 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.039 the deal that gives them is like they is it 842 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:38.920 like where they perhaps aware that they were going to 843 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.960 maybe destroy the Irish from within and or anything. I 844 00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:43.679 don't know. It's just interesting that that's like a thing 845 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.039 that they they plant that seed there. Yeah, it's like 846 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.800 a thing of like you know the I mean did 847 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.400 they talk about like even just making the movie. It's 848 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.280 like a movie about like something that happened like earlier 849 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.679 in the century, but like you know, it's like still relevant, 850 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.199 still relevant when they were making the movie. And and 851 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.280 I mean, yeah, like you look at like there's uh, 852 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.079 there's still places in the world where like you know 853 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.360 where like you know, there's still colonization going on, and 854 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.920 like you know, like you're just like thinking like and 855 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.400 like the the oppressor of horses are so brut all. 856 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.079 You're just thinking like it's it's it's terrible. There's no 857 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.039 justification to treat people like that. It's just terrible. 858 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.199 I was about to say it it was ninety six. 859 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.599 I was about to say. I was like, isn't isn't 860 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.239 the handover of Hong Kong from the UK to back 861 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.239 to China as that that's a ninety seven? 862 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.519 So yes, that that that sounds about right, Yeah, because 863 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.000 I know there's like some movies about that. I think 864 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.679 I think, isn't that what the Troy hark Chuck that 865 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.159 movie Knockoff is about? Or isn't it like said around 866 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:39.960 that time. 867 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.840 Maybe yeah, did Rob Schneider know that when he was 868 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.559 getting ready for his role in that feature film, I've 869 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.679 not seen knock Knockoff one movie after one hundred and 870 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.320 fifty six years. The British were like, it's yours fine. 871 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.519 Like, I mean, well they say seven hundred years at 872 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:57.920 the start of the movie. Don't they like that? It 873 00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.719 was like that was like they've had them for like wait, 874 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:01.199 I was talking about. 875 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.800 Hong Kong, not yes, damn that was damn Hong Kong 876 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:11.119 was light numbers for them. Damn God, British people saw it. 877 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.719 That was the thing. I think you.

Uh, wasn't that 878 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:18.519 your letter box if you're a black bag where you 879 00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.679 saw it like as a Soderberg cran you were like, no, 880 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.960 my told me this was British. 881 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.880 Yeah, Jack put that on and I was like, okay, 882 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.880 yeah to do so oh no. I was like, so well, 883 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:33.159 surely the next person doesn't have an X. God damn it. 884 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.880 I was like, I'm not here for all this espionage 885 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.079 British bullshit, especially when it ends and it's just like whoa. 886 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.039 That was a weird week and I was like, what 887 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.199 did we learn? Like, I don't know. Soderberg was very 888 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.800 hit or miss for me, but usually miss is never 889 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.320 like bad. I'm just like, like, was it uh? No 890 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.639 false move move? I thought that was also like fine? 891 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:57.440 Uh? 892 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.280 The NBA movie uh, a little less than fine. 893 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.159 I'm sane, yes, love unsane, High Flying Bird You and 894 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.360 High Flight Bird the basketball movie that was you. I 895 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.159 think maybe talking about some of the some of these 896 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.880 movies where you're like still don't get it at the 897 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.320 end of it. I'm like high flight Bird was like 898 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:17.760 that for me where I had I think I maybe 899 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.360 said the Sun podcast before, where like I was watching 900 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.320 with my mom and dad on Netflix, Hi Paust movie 901 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.880 five minutes and say what are they talking about? 902 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.039 I don't understand what just throw you in there and 903 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.880 assuming that loves basketball, I was like, I don't. I 904 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.000 don't know about all this chiefs, but that's fine. Soda 905 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.000 Bird's doing AI documentaries now, it's fine. 906 00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.360 Yeah, that's a that's a fucking. 907 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:44.960 Bummer learning that you're well. Has Fincher used AI? I mean, yes, 908 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:47.039 unfortunately he has. 909 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.719 I think I think, yeah, Vich pray our friend like 910 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.719 has like something that one of our chests felt like 911 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.840 saying like, uh, don't ask your favorite for christ about 912 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.199 but you're not gonna be happy with the answers. 913 00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.800 I mean, I'm not surprised, but yeah with with so 914 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.039 then when he did the four K restoration of that, 915 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.960 there was a shot that like wasn't like the only 916 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.840 shot they had was like messed up or anything. It 917 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.880 was like with AI, I was able to I was like, 918 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.880 just shut up. I wouldn't even noticed, all right, dude. 919 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:16.400 And then with the Fight Club four K, I people 920 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.719 aren't making such a big dealifted and it was just like, yeah, 921 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:23.039 he removes some bumps from him a Bonacarta's face, when 922 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:25.679 I was just like, all right, guys, this man is 923 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.679 obviously not on this plane of existence. He's very much 924 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.039 not here where the factory's just like, hey, that wall 925 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.159 back there, that's kind of creakled that we did like 926 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.079 twenty seven years ago. We just take that out, Like 927 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.480 really you noticed that? Yeah, I've been thinking about it 928 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.239 for twenty seven years. I don't care. I really don't. 929 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.039 And I also don't really care when filmmakers go back 930 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.039 and edit their own movies. I really don't fucking care. 931 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.239 Yeah, the editing's fine, but like using the AI stuff 932 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.039 from it, for like it is just like and it's 933 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.760 the thing of like I'm seperate justification for like his hand. 934 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.880 It's like, well, without the I, we wouldn't have had 935 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.880 like a, we didn't have access to this great fudge. 936 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.800 It's like, well, guess what, you don't have it? 937 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:11.679 Like the rats, Yeah, what did you do for the 938 00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.599 past like fifty years being a filmmaker. You just didn't 939 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.000 do it. That's that's like being like, oh, well somebody 940 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.760 passed away during filming, So without AI wouldn't be able 941 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.360 to finish their performance and be like no. 942 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.119 Well that is unfortunately what's happening with Vell Kilmer in 943 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.000 his latest film. But where it's like and it's like well, 944 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.119 it's like, well, that definitely would have wanted to do 945 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.239 this movie beforehand before he passed away. 946 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.679 It's and like his family like agreed with him, Like 947 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.280 I don't care what his family says. 948 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.360 Are their names bel Kilmer? That must be confusing. 949 00:44:42.519 -->

00:44:44.239 That would be wild if all of his kids were 950 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.079 named Velkilmer, like George Floeman's kids are all named George Foman. 951 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.480 Did you know that George Foeman has six sons and 952 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.360 every single one of them is named George. 953 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.519 Oh jees, that must be genuinely confusing. It's like when 954 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.159 movies are like get like sequel reboots. It's like what 955 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:01.840 was called the same as the first one? You know, 956 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.440 it's like it's like stream and scary movie and all. 957 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.039 That, and then the next one comes out and they're 958 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:11.280 just like stream seven, what was the previous one? I 959 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.159 feel like this is a trick. What were we talking 960 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:18.760 about before we talked about Ai? Mark Collins, you think 961 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.480 he like Ai? Yeah, your name sound. 962 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.079 I mean it's it's just funny. I mean you texted 963 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.960 me afterwards after watching this movie that, like you text 964 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.199 me a bit of someone doing an Alan Rickman impression 965 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:33.920 on family guy with like his answering machine. 966 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:39.920 You've reached Alan Rickman at five five five zero one 967 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:46.239 two two, Please leave a message at the beep Hello, 968 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.400 Alan Rickman. It's Alan Rickman. 969 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.920 And it is like the thing of like what the 970 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.000 scene where he liked I don't I mean, I love 971 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.360 I love him and as an actor, and he's good 972 00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.559 in necessary aything, but like there is just the moment 973 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.320 where he's like, I think Africa back to America, and 974 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.840 I think it's like after Deson's characters come back from 975 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.800 England negotiating like the t A Jervison ripers like you 976 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:11.760 Probablition the Germans Dogama, And it's just like, I don't know, 977 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:13.639 I'm meant to be laughing as hard as this as 978 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.159 I was when I was watching that, see, because it's 979 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.719 just like he's showing he's actually like a kid having 980 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.519 a tantrum. It's like and I just I don't know. 981 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:22.760 I thought it was very funny. 982 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.440 Doesn't me works that you published to help me knowledge? Now, 983 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.920 what's Rickman's best performance. You already know what I'm gonna 984 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.079 say that might

not be objectively correct. 985 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.280 I mean, your favorite is it actually Dogma? Is that 986 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:35.760 your favorite? 987 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:37.360 He's incredible in Dogma? 988 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.159 I remember him me pretty good at that. Yeah, I 989 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.159 mean basically I love him a diehard. 990 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:43.639 I mean he's a very good entirely. 991 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.079 What's your favorite decent? Actually that's a that's a good question. 992 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.360 A team? Uh fuck? Who? If you know who directed 993 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.079 the A team? I'm quitting this podcast. 994 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.079 Well, then I will keep my flip steels because I 995 00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:57.400 know the answer. 996 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.320 Is it like Mick g or some ship? Hold on, No, 997 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:01.000 you're not. 998 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:03.440 There? You go? Yeah? 999 00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.559 Oh my god? That man had juice for one film. 1000 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.360 He drops two movies last year. If you know the 1001 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.480 titles of them, I'm quitting this podcast. 1002 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:14.559 One of them is Shadow for Us, so I think 1003 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.079 it's like Omar say Harry Washington, which I think we 1004 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.760 had the poster for that at my theater. And then 1005 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.400 the other one, it's the Zachary Levi and I think 1006 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.760 Josh to mal is it called Not Without Hope? 1007 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.800 I'm done? Why is that movie two hours long? 1008 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.599 And then he let it rip again in January of 1009 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.639 this year, he has a dude, would you have a 1010 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:37.960 new movie after the rip? 1011 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.880 No? But the rip is that still that's three movies 1012 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.079 in one year is to paraphrase a young though quote, 1013 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.239 calm down, dropping all that bullshit movie. 1014 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.519 My question with this is like, how how close together 1015 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.039 are those movies shot together? Is it like he shot 1016 00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:00.599 them all really close together or was like one of them. 1017 00:47:58.800 --> 00:47:59.599 All in one month? 1018 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.239 Well, but I'm also like to get about, like there 1019 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:03.840 are some movies that like sit on the shelf for 1020 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:05.519 like many years, Like it was really funny. I saw 1021 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.159 there was I don't even rem what the movie's called, 1022 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.280 but I saw there's like some trailer for a Michael 1023 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.199 Pitt movie, and

I was like, and it's like Michael 1024 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.400 Pitt and Jeremy Allen White. And I was thinking, like, 1025 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.280 Jeremy Allen White made a movie now and I looked 1026 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.440 it up. It's like Shutting Shells the twelve be released now. 1027 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.039 It's like, oh, that makes more sense. It's like it's 1028 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.199 like just one because Jerremalend like would not be taking 1029 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.280 that small role now, I don't think. And also they 1030 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.199 would not be giving Michael Pitt that big role now. 1031 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.760 I don't think that would be very funny if they 1032 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:33.800 had a movie like a right around the Dreamer's time 1033 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.800 and they're just like, oh, I'll just put it out now. Wow, 1034 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:43.840 twenty twelve, that's insane. I mean that is also top tier. Like, hey, 1035 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.880 this movie that everybody said it sucked and it's been 1036 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:48.079 on a show forever. We'd be like, yeah, that one 1037 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.000 guy that's in the show now, isn't it. So we're 1038 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.119 just gonna put it out and pretend he's the lead, 1039 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:53.920 which they used to do like all the time back 1040 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.119 in the day. We were like, hey, yeah, the name 1041 00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:58.800 out of it is Sandra Bullock. She's in it for 1042 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.119 like thirty seconds. Just put her on the cover. Who cares? 1043 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:03.159 Once we've got their money, what are they gonna do? 1044 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.679 What are they gonna do? How about fuck? Oh? Oh 1045 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:11.280 favorite Nissan? Okay, have you seen all three Taken films? 1046 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.960 Yes, although my memory is fuzzy on like the second 1047 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:16.199 and third one. 1048 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.280 As it should be. Oh, he's in a movie this year, 1049 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:20.199 Cold Storage. 1050 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.400 I've heard that one. Okay, it's David Capp I think 1051 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.039 who wrote it. 1052 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.920 I have an answer, but I'm gonna double check before 1053 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.639 saying it, just in case. Oh yeah, Widows one. 1054 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.039 That's a good pick. I remember the scene of him 1055 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.199 getting shot again that movie being memed a bunch when 1056 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.280 I is, uh cool pursuit press Star was going on. 1057 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.119 Oh yeah, I would say that. Or Naked a Gun 1058 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:45.639 is great. 1059 00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:47.840 Oh he's so good at naked guy. Yeah. 1060 00:49:47.880

--> 00:49:49.960 But like also Widows is like, if you're saying, like 1061 00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:51.800 a leam Nissan movie, I'd be like, well, like, he 1062 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.000 spends two hours of it being dead, so not exactly 1063 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.840 his movie. Oh there's definitely somebody out there they're favoritely 1064 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.119 Nissan movie is a Million Ways to Dine in the West. 1065 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:04.559 That's just okay. Uh, I'll go I'll go with Naked 1066 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.360 Gun as far as like he's on the poster you're 1067 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.480 seeing it, because a Nissan type of movie. 1068 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.000 Yeah, that's a good pick. I might go dark Man. 1069 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.079 That's one of my favorites. At least I think he's 1070 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.800 like he really like throws himself into like making the 1071 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.400 tragedy of that movie plays since here, but also like 1072 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.159 throwing himself into like the the wackier parts of that movie, 1073 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.519 like they're techno fucking elephants. 1074 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.440 I'm I'm gonna just name off random movies and just 1075 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.199 be impressed. At how much you know Ice Road Vengeance? 1076 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:32.440 Who directs that? 1077 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:33.119 Is it? 1078 00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.199 Jonathan Hensley? Still Jesus Christ, I saw the first one. 1079 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.639 Oh it's a Oh it's a sequel. Oh oh Jonathan Hinckley, 1080 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.039 who directed The Punisher. Listen to our episode you go. 1081 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:44.960 I probably talked about it on that episode. 1082 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:49.199 No, it's real, guys, I swear uh killed the Irishman 1083 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:53.639 and Welcome to the Jungle. Wow? Just is he an actor? 1084 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.559 He looks like an actor. He's not an actor. 1085 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.480 Wow? No, I think he's like a screare. Didn't you 1086 00:50:57.559 --> 00:50:59.519 like write like Diehard with a Vengeance, that's like one 1087 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.679 of the He either like did like the touch up 1088 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.400 on that or like maybe it was like his script 1089 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:06.280 that got turned into the Diehard sequel. 1090 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.400 He wrote a lot on Young Indiana Jones. We are 1091 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.159 so far away from macolm Collin's Young Indiana Jones. He 1092 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:18.239 wrote next, Oh, Boring the Rock or Megadn, die Hard 1093 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.119 with a Vengeance and Jumanji. 1094 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.280 So like, there's some good stuff and then a lot 1095 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.199 of crap. 1096 00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:28.360 And then the Saint. Oh wow, something called a Far 1097 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.239 Off Place starring Reese with Thisspoon. I've never heard of this. 1098 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.760 Reese with thispoon ethan Imbrey, two strangers must discover courage 1099 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.199 and strength when they begin a journey across the treacherous 1100 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.239 African African desert explanation point easy letterbox. Back in the 1101 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.400 eighties and nineties, they were just like, so we got 1102 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.400 this white person, right, what if they were in Africa? 1103 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.159 Like they were just like, what else? No? No, that's it? 1104 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.079 What's the uh Sigourney Weaver? Uh girl is in the mist? 1105 00:51:58.519 --> 00:51:59.360 Is that in Africa? 1106 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.960 I don't know. I just know that's a movie that 1107 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.559 she gotten I'm made for? Right did she went? 1108 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.920 But very much like put a white person in over 1109 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.360 there and uh, it'll be a lot. But I'm pretty 1110 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.000 sure the last gasp of that is jungle to jungle. 1111 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.400 Speaking of just like types of movies that that you 1112 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.920 used to just get made a bunch. I think I 1113 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.039 mentioned this. I want to mention this on Mike because 1114 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:24.920 I mentioned to you in the in the the in 1115 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.000 our little text that we have going on. But how 1116 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.000 before I knew what this movie was, I just saw 1117 00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.239 like the poster where it's leam Neeson standing above a 1118 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.280 bunch of people and people like hands are like reaching 1119 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.559 out at him, and I guess not maybe before. I 1120 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.679 don't remember exactly why I fault what this movie was 1121 00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:43.519 about and anything, but like I was thinking, it looks 1122 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.199 like it does very much have the look of a 1123 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.000 teacher that changed my life type movie, and I was 1124 00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.880 dead Poets, Dead Posts, any and then I was thinking, 1125 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.320 what's the specific poster that I'm thinking of that gives 1126 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:54.800 this vibe? And it's a movie that came after this, 1127 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.000 but I just looked up the poster of The Emperor's 1128 00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:58.480 Club with Kevin Klinet aborting. 1129 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.840 It's one that is in this movie. 1130 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.079 Yeah, and stand in the backup a costume a bunch 1131 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:04.559 of Hinds race and it's like, hey, there you go.

1132 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.639 Math checks out, my man, I got my Kevin's mixed up. 1133 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.920 Kevin Costner was almost in this movie. That's right. Gorilla 1134 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.159 is in the myst Yes, that's said in Africa. Okay, 1135 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.159 uh yeah. It starts with the Out of Africa and 1136 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.599 they were just like, well that one's best picture. Stick 1137 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:21.760 more white people in Africa. And then once they get 1138 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.400 to Jungle to Jungle, they're like, enough, if you're bringing 1139 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.280 back Tim Allen, he has to get his ass kicked 1140 00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:27.880 in front of his daughter and then he has to 1141 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.000 learn to fight. It's called Joe somebody, and it made thousands. 1142 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.480 I will just say I enjoyed this movie generally pretty well, 1143 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.760 and I did find it pretty engaging, even if some 1144 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:42.360 of it feels like a little too hectically paced in 1145 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.079 some parts, which that's surprising because I was expecting this 1146 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:46.960 to be kind of like just as dodgy history lesson 1147 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:48.559 as we were talking about, Like, I did find this 1148 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.039 movie pretty engaging on a moment a moment basical because 1149 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.360 there is a lot of incident in drama, but some 1150 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.840 of it is just like it does kind of just 1151 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.559 like Hurtle through it and like kind of in sometimes 1152 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:00.960 graceless ways, gless it's a little too harsh and everything, 1153 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.360 but it's just sometimes this it can be a little 1154 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.800 bit herky jerkey. But I like all the performances because 1155 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.840 it's lovely to look at. And yeah, I just I 1156 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.519 found it much more engaging than I expected it to be. 1157 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.159 And I do think, you know, even though contrary, even 1158 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.199 though I was growing up, that producer quote about how 1159 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:16.599 like it is they didn't want to make a drive movie, 1160 00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:20.000 and you know, I didn't necessarily have that that that 1161 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.079 reaction of from everybody I I did find this much 1162 00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.119 more exciting than I expected it to be, and like, yeah, 1163 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.960 I know I cared about the characters and yeah, no, 1164 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:30.880 it was just and it's just that that's the kind 1165 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:32.599 of nice thing where it's like this isn't like gonna 1166 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:33.960 be like a new favorite movie or anything, but it's 1167 00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:35.639 a nice thing of like I did not have this 1168 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.360 even watch listed. I don't think even like, as I 1169 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.199 was going through Neodorman's photography, I was just like, ah, man, 1170 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.639 I just skip this one. I think I need to 1171 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.079 I need to go see about a good thief. But 1172 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.760 but I watched it and it's like, hey, this is 1173 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.320 actually I did find this kind of compelling that sometimes 1174 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.320 it's like the nice little discovery of doing this podcast. 1175 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:56.280 I would say, you ever heard of the movie The 1176 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:57.039 Air Up There? 1177 00:54:58.920 --> 00:54:59.519 What is that. 1178 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.039 Kevin Bacon movie where he plays Jimmy Dolan. He's a 1179 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.960 college basketball coach who wants a big promotion. To get it, 1180 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:11.559 he needs to make a dramatic fine. He ends up 1181 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.360 deep in Africa hoping to recruit a huge basketball prodigy. 1182 00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.440 The only person I follow that has seen it and 1183 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.360 logged it is like Gavin who gave it one store 1184 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.159 and says, well, glad we can all look back on 1185 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.239 this and officially say it's pretty racist. So I'm just 1186 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.360 I'm just trying to I'm I'm I'm creating a team 1187 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.519 and it's all white people go to Africa. 1188 00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:37.280 But this is like, it's I love that we're like 1189 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.920 we're getting into like this stuff of like just stuff 1190 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.840 that we do on our own time. It's like making 1191 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.800 a list and of all these movies that no one 1192 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.360 has heard of. It's just for me. Like I was 1193 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.400 making my list of like movies about contemporary teenagers by 1194 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.920 old people, and now it's like movies about white guys 1195 00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.519 in Africa. It's just that it's like a Rhapsode reps 1196 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.000 in the program or whatever. This is. 1197 00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.199 This is an only list of a list that I 1198 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.039 liked called Movies You Forgot Exists Nineties Edition, which has 1199 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:09.480 nine hundred movies on it. 1200 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:13.880 And it's like, well, I think I think one thing 1201 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:15.719 wrong with this title. I definitely didn't forget about the 1202 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:16.800 exists in this movie.

1203 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.440 I definitely forgot about it until I was like, why 1204 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.599 to Africa White? I forgot the air they are up there? 1205 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:26.800 That's right? Uh wow, interesting? Interesting. We are spinning our 1206 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:27.880 Wheels anything else. 1207 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:33.760 No, I mean, it's just interesting to think about. I 1208 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:35.920 don't I don't know. It's just funny that Jordan is 1209 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.039 like the director who gets like who shows up the 1210 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.960 most in this mini series, Like Geffen really like helped 1211 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.599 them alone with it, with like Greeny lighting these projects, 1212 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.280 and it's just uh and whenever you think about their quality, 1213 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:48.000 it's just it's just kind of a cool thing that happened. 1214 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.679 They got to make them make these moviesit these at 1215 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.079 this scale and to have like some interesting style of them. 1216 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:55.360 I mean, like we talked abou this with like Butcher 1217 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.960 Boy about like how I know you and Dan were 1218 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:58.280 not really big on that movie, but it's just like 1219 00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.000 while that that movie got made and then it would 1220 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.599 allowed to be made the way that it was. Yeah, 1221 00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:06.239 and it was like a big studio making it. Yeah, 1222 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.880 I know it's interesting. And I mean, look, I mean 1223 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.519 he's he's a director like I can run hot and cold. 1224 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.800 But I'm glad to be going through his his films, 1225 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.760 especially because I think Irish books are and Irishers are interesting. 1226 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.000 Hey, this is Jason Kleeberg from The Force five podcast, 1227 00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:48.800 a show that forces a guest to come up with 1228 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.360 a movie themed top five list topic, and then we 1229 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.760 reveal our picks on air Top five heist films, top 1230 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.280 five tier Jerkers, Top five movie dogs. Every show, you'll 1231 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.480 be asking yourself what would be on my list. Guests 1232 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:06.039 include directors, screenwriters, actors, podcasters, musicians, authors, and even a 1233 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.360 professional wrestler. Subscribe to the Force five podcast and you 1234 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:11.559 won't just be a listener, you'll be a listen nerd. 1235 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.800 The Force five podcast available wherever you are listening now. 1236 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:23.400 Thank you for listening. To hear more shows from the 1237 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:27.280 Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. Please select the link in 1238 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:27.840 the description