บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ John Edward: From Crossing Over to Chasing Evil & the Love That Never Leaves Us

me, she's like, Joan Rivers. 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:12.879 I was like, what? 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.879 She's like, oh, we're going in a completely different direction. 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:16.879 So she said, What's what about Joan Rivers? 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:18.159 I told her the whole story. 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:19.840 And she said, I think that's beautiful. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:25.840 And she goes, you know, every time her husband's name was Roger, she goes, You see what happens every time Roger calls me. 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:27.759 And I said, Yeah, you always say, I love you, Raj. 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.240 And I made a joke with her prior, like prior to that. 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.759 I said, if Roger didn't know that you loved him the first four times, you told him today. 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.319 She goes, I think you think the fifth time is gonna be the thing. 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.879 And then on a different day, she said to me, You know, one day the doorbell's gonna ring. 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:43.840 And when you answer it, do you know who's there? 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:45.360 And I was like, No. 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:46.639 She goes, Life. 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:47.039 Right. 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.000 And she goes, and when life happens, she goes, you want to make sure you're surrounded by love and you let the people you know. 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.120 She goes, So I agree with I agree with Joan. 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:05.039 And that afternoon, when we were like leaving the pre-admission area, it's like hours had gone by, she walked around to where my workroom was and she knocked on the door. 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:05.919 She said, I'm leaving. 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:07.360 She goes, and I just want to let you know something. 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:08.080 And I was like, What? 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:10.560 And she goes, Joanfully yours. 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.319 And a moment began where every day she would like say, Joanfully yours. 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.079 Every card I got from her always ended with Joanfully Yours. 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:26.399 And it was something that I had recently bonded with, with Kathy Griffin, the comedian, because she had a connection to Joan Rivers. 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:27.519 And I told her that whole story. 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:32.079 So now when we exchange texts or or connect, we end it with Joanfully Yours. 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:37.360 But the communicate, Appreciate, and Validate ended, um, literally ended every episode of Crossing Over. 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:39.680 And then all my events would end that way. 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.680 Because I wanted people to take that opportunity. 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.120 And now I do something even more so to honor that at the events. 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:47.360 We don't know what time we have. 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.480 And I'm a I'm a big firm believer in telling people how you feel. 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:51.040 Absolutely. 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:55.680 And I think you just live with a lot less regrets if you do that. 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:04.720 Um, I know that you and I kind of have this, we share kind of a view on like not carrying regrets, not looking at it as an end. 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:10.000 Um, you have a beautiful analogy about grief and love being like a pillow. 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:10.480 Yep. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:11.839 Can you share that a little bit? 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:13.439 So I worked at a heart hospital. 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:13.759 Right. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:20.959 And in that area with Kathy, I was the phlebotomist who kind of took in all the patients and did their pre-surgical testings, their blood work. 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:22.160 But I was also up on the floors. 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.319 So I saw the patients when they came into the hospital. 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.160 I saw them when they were admitted to the hospital, I saw them when they were like having their surgery. 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:29.600 So you kind of get to know certain people. 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:34.879 A lot of the patients, when they had surgery, they would be given this red heart that had the name of the hospital on it. 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:42.480 And the reason why is that if you had a cough or sneeze or laugh, you were to hold on to the heart so that you didn't affect any of your surgical scores. 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:42.879 Right. 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:49.600 That became a symbol for me in my readings where I would see that heart, but one side said love and the other side said grief. 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:57.040 And I kind of feel like throughout our lives, we're holding the love side when the person's here physically and we have that tangible connection. 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:04.399 But the moment they cross and we don't have that physical connection, the pillow inverts to grief because we don't have a physical receptacle to direct our love to. 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:11.759 So I feel like the work of a medium is to help people understand that there's a survival of consciousness, that life and love are eternal, love never dies, and that where there's love, there's connection. 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:17.519 But in the human, physical, tangible, tactile way, we want a destination. 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:19.920 We want a person, a place, a physicality to touch. 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:20.160 Right. 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:26.240 So we're taking our love and having to now create a construct that our energetic body still exists and we're still connected. 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.040 So we want to work on getting the grief pillow to flip back to love. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.879 And the way we do that is by being 50% of the equation with the loved ones who've passed. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:37.519 Yeah, I think it's so important because I'm a big firm believer and talk to the people you love.

00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:40.879 They're still part of you, you're still part of them. 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:47.199 I also think the best part of them lives in you and you should carry on the things that you admired most. 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:54.079 And I think if we live in that way, it's also to me that the greater the love, the greater the grief. 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:59.279 And it's okay because, and I think you share this is I don't really believe in closure. 00:06:59.439 --> 00:06:59.759 Correct. 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:09.839 Because I think closure is kind of a weird concept, and it also is a closing of a door or like a disconnection, which really I want to hold on to the connection, which I think I've heard you say too. 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:10.319 I do. 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.800 I say that we don't want a period at the end of the statement. 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.120 We want a comma, a dash, yeah, an ellipsis. 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.600 Anything that's going to keep the connection moving. 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:19.519 And that's to me what I feel like we're looking for. 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:20.959 We want to have connection. 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.720 And I think any way that we can achieve that in whatever way works for that person. 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.040 I remember 1987 when my uncle passed. 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.920 My aunt was constantly going to the cemetery. 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:31.839 Every day it was like going to the cemetery. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.120 And I felt badly for her. 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:34.879 I was like, oh, why is she going there? 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:41.439 So I inappropriately now say, I looked at her and I said, you know, he's not there. 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:41.839 Right. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.680 You know, you don't have to go there. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.800 And in that moment, she kind of like looked at me and she went, Oh no, he's not there. 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:50.800 That's where I put him. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:52.319 That's where I'm going. 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:57.839 And in that moment, and those two sentences, I got a PhD in grief. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:58.240 Right. 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:02.480 Like I had no right to tell this woman how she needed to process her grief. 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:07.839 So if she felt like going to the cemetery every day was her way of processing her grief, then that's the place that she goes. 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:08.079 Right. 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:09.600 In my mind, he'll meet her there. 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:09.920 Right. 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.639 But for other people, like myself, I don't like going to the cemetery. 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:13.519 It makes me really sad. 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:13.920 Yeah. 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:15.519 So I'd rather go to the beach. 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.040 I'd rather take a walk in nature. 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:22.000 I'd rather, however, I, you know, can feel connected, I'm going to do it that way. 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:23.360 And that works for me. 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.720 I don't think there's any right way to process your grief. 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:27.199 Right. 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:28.959 Unless you're not processing your grief. 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:34.799 I was going to say the one thing is if you're if you're holding it or hiding from it, because it comes in waves. 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:35.840 I tell people all the time. 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.519 Like it comes in waves and it will hit you when you least expect it. 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:39.919 Yep. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:40.480 It's patient. 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:40.720 Yeah. 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:41.200 It's patient. 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:41.840 It's so patient. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:42.639 And it's not going anywhere. 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:42.879 Right. 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:43.600 It's like, how about now? 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:43.759 No. 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:44.240 Not that way. 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:54.240 Oh, that song you love that you shared, that smell, that place, that location, like it will just hit you and it will hit you hardest when you're running from it. 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.559 I am a control freak everywhere in my life. 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.000 Like, openly admit it, somewhat OCD in my personality, even as a kid. 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.279 So I grew up in a town in Long Island, it's called Glen Cove. 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.639 And there were five funeral homes right in Glen Cove. 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:12.960 When it came time for my mom's memorial in her wake, I picked a funeral home that was about 30 minutes away from where we lived. 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.919 And everybody in my family was so confused. 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:17.519 My mom was one of 11 kids. 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:23.600 So at least five or six of her siblings were like, Why are you making us go all the way to Manhasset? 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:24.879 Like on Northern Boulevard. 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.240 Like, why are we going all the way over there? 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.879 There are five funeral parlors right here in Glen Cove. 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.320 Like, why are we going over there? 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:35.360 And I smiled and said, Because there were five funeral homes right here in Glen Cove. 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.919 I don't want to pass it every day and go, that's where I memorialize my mother. 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.000 I picked a place that I hardly would ever drive by. 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:48.320 I did that on purpose, controlling the grief narrative. 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:49.279 Like that was part of it. 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.960 And I thought that was a brilliant thing to do. 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.399 And it was very, very healing for me because I didn't have to confront that every single day. 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:59.279 My grandmother, who survived, my mom

didn't have to confront that every day in the town that we lived in. 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:04.799 And then there were other moments that like I prepared for, like her birth date, her death date, like all those things. 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:06.080 I was like, no, I got this. 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.440 And it wasn't those moments that were the ones that hit me hard. 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:11.679 It was the moments that I couldn't prepare for. 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:12.080 Yes. 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.240 Like a traffic issue on a highway in New York. 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.480 And I was coming back from doing an event or like a house party, a group in somebody's house. 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.559 And they narrowed, they like navigated the traffic off of the highway. 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.159 And now like I didn't know where I was. 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:25.600 This was the days pre-GPS. 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:26.639 I had no map of my car. 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.799 So I was like, okay, I have to just, I'm gonna head north because I know we're on the north shore of the island. 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:31.759 So I kept heading north. 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:45.120 And where I wound up by chance was directly opposite a hair salon that my mom used to frequent when I was a little boy that I became a gopher at. 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:47.440 And I wasn't prepared for that. 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:47.759 Right. 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:54.639 So the moment that that street opened up directly in front of Foxy Lady, which is the name of the salon, I had to pull over. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.519 Yeah because I I couldn't control the emotion. 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:58.879 I wasn't prepared for it. 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.519 It came out of nowhere, but it really wasn't out of nowhere. 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:02.720 It was the dam that broke. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:02.960 Right. 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.799 Because I was not processing. 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:13.200 So when I say these things to people, when I say that I'm I'm coming from a place of wanting to express what I've learned, it wasn't it's not just because I talked to dead people, it's because I've done it. 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.919 Like I know what it feels to try to run from your grief. 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.039 And it's patient. 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.559 It absolutely will wait for you. 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:19.200 Yeah. 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:25.279 And and there's a power there that I think we underestimate because we bury it, but then it builds up. 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:26.639 I think it's like a volcano. 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.240 And then it just like you use the the example of a dam bursting. 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.000 It's like it just comes out. 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.759 There are names, places, things in my life, and I think everybody has them. 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.679 It's also one of the things I wish people would do with their romantic partners. 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:46.559 Is I always wanted to make sure I kind of had an idea of like the important people in their lives. 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:48.720 When were those people's birthdays? 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:50.000 When were their passing days? 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.639 Because whether people realize it or not, they're significant. 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:53.600 They're significant. 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.360 And things will change, right? 00:11:55.440 --> 00:12:03.360 And all of a sudden I would realize, man, this person is really giving me a hard time right now, or they're really like in a weird mental space. 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.399 And I'd be like, oh, it's the end of this month, right? 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.960 And that's that's her grandmother, right? 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.559 Like whether she even fully is aware of this or not. 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:14.879 It it's backing up, right? 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.279 And I think you have to tell the people that are in your life. 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:17.919 Yes. 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:26.799 Like I started dating my my wife at in 1992, but my mom died at the October of 1989. 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.559 So it was only like a two and a half year period of time, right? 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:31.919 So the first year of loss, right? 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.879 So from October 89 to October 90, to me, that's the coasting year. 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:45.200 I tell everybody in the first year of loss, you're you're just you're energetically being moved down the current of grief, and you're going through all the first, you'll get support from people uh as best as they can. 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:45.519 Right. 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.720 And then the second year hits, they go back to their lives, everything goes back to normal. 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:50.000 They feel like they got you through the first. 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.159 So now you're literally sitting in that second year. 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.879 So for anybody watching or listening to this, if you're in the second year of loss and you think, like, what's wrong with me? 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:57.440 Nothing. 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:57.679 Yeah. 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:58.080 Nothing. 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.519 Create some sacred space and grace for yourself to kind of go like, this is the second year, and it's going to be a little more intense. 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:04.879 So I had that second year. 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:13.600 And then, you know, going into like dating and stuff, you're moving forward, you're being progressive, but there's a part of you that's stuck in the past. 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:13.759 Right. 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.159 Like, there's a snapshot of me. 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:26.720 Like, I'm 57, but there's a 19-year-old moment that's frozen in time where you're like, okay, like this is always going to be a moment that you're going to remember. 00:13:26.960 -->

00:13:28.720 And we have a lot of those grief moments. 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.440 So when I first started dating my wife and I went to go see a movie with Michael Keaton called My Life. 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:42.159 I legitimately was so happy that I had explained to her everything that had happened with my mom. 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:50.320 Because there I was sitting at the Rosefield Mall movie theater watching this Michael Keaton movie that opens up with him saying, So I have cancer. 00:13:51.039 --> 00:14:00.080 And it was like the entire movie was now forcing me to process grief and cancer and death and mortality while I'm on a date. 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:00.639 Right. 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.879 And I'm like, and I tried to be like, you know, tough and strong. 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.759 And I was a hot mess in the theater. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.039 Couldn't control it because it was just not something that I expected. 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.000 So we can have these controlled moments as much as we want, but the universe is going to basically say, how about now? 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:16.559 Yeah. 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.679 So it's better to be, as you said, communicative about it. 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.399 How did this journey really begin for you? 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:29.600 When did you because you, I think, believe, and I share this, is that kind of everybody has gifts. 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:34.559 The question is, how much do you pay attention to it and do you magnify it and grow this? 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:36.320 So I like to get rid of the word gift. 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.399 I jokingly say that gift is a four-letter word. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:38.720 Okay. 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.159 And it comes after F, right? 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:44.799 So like gift is um somebody's more special than somebody else. 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:49.759 And I I understand that the word gift or gift has been associated with this subject matter for centuries. 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:50.080 Right. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:51.919 I like to change the vernacular a little bit. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:52.159 Okay. 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:58.559 Because I think if we say that it's an ability and we can equate it to a muscle, then we could say, well, everybody's got muscles. 00:14:58.639 --> 00:14:58.799 Right. 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.480 But not everybody's going to be a bodybuilder. 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.600 Not everybody's going to be as strong as the next person, but they can work on it. 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:04.799 They can get in better shape. 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:16.559 So I feel like the more that we flex that muscle, we learn how to use that muscle, we can then utilize that in our everyday lives, not to do readings, but to live a more energetic, intuitive experience to learn the lessons why we're here. 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:18.080 So for me, I had a reading. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:19.840 I had a, you know, I have a

boring story. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.639 I had literally a psychic reading at my grandmother's house. 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.639 I used to have people come to the house all the time. 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.279 And this woman told me that I had this ability. 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:33.679 Her exact words to me were, You have highly evolved beings of white and gold light, and they're ready to work with you and put you on your path. 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:34.960 And that's why I'm here today. 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:36.639 I was 15. 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:50.720 So a 15-year-old sophomore in high school, yeah, listening to this, probably at that moment, 50-year-old woman, you know, saying this with such sincerity and intention, I actually thought she was crazy. 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:55.759 That's why that's why I laughed because I was like, you're probably looking at her going, Well, I was being so random. 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.279 I went into the room with a mocking attitude. 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.759 I was like, I was going in to prove she wasn't legitimate. 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:04.000 Right. 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.919 She would not be able to do with me what she did with the other people in my family because I wasn't gonna help her. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:10.240 Right. 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:15.440 So I went in and gave my like energy. 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:15.759 Right. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.519 There was I wasn't giving her anything. 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:18.720 The woman didn't look at me. 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.600 She took my high school ring and she did something called psychometry. 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:31.440 And psychometry is where you can hold on to an object and you could do objective psychometry, which is where you read the history of the object, or you could do subjective psychometry, read the energy of the person who owns it. 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:36.480 So she was doing subjective psychometry, close her eyes, and started talking. 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:42.320 Like she didn't look at me, she wasn't like looking at my body, she wasn't like reading my face, and I didn't really talk. 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:49.519 It was just a very um amazing experience, but a little bit unnerving. 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:58.720 And I say unnerving because if you don't believe something's real, and then you have to confront the reality that I don't know what this is, but something is happening here. 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:05.759 This woman's knowing stuff because she nailed stuff about me that nobody in my family could have told her, my mom couldn't have told her. 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.279 She gave me names of people that nobody knew, and then she gave me outcomes. 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.160 Like it was just really profoundly accurate. 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:14.960 I didn't sit there and go, wow, this is really cool. 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:16.319 Oh, she said I'm psychic. 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:17.839 I actually felt violated. 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:23.599 I felt like somebody went through the draw, the drawers of my life, and I was like, oh no, I don't like this. 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:24.799 I feel like I've been robbed. 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:29.119 How do I make sure that nobody else could do this? 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:34.400 Like, if she could do this, then maybe some of these other people that come in this house that they have parties with. 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.000 How do I how do I stop this? 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:43.680 And that sent me to the public library where I started reading about anything under the subject matter at that time was the occult in 1985. 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:44.400 Right, right. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.559 So I legit read every book that they had in the in the public library. 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:55.519 And my my learning about everything parapsychology related, right? 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.119 Was that okay, maybe I wasn't as normal as I thought. 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.720 And I had to reframe a lot of my childhood experiences. 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:05.359 What does that look like? 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:06.480 Can I ask that question? 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:07.359 Like, what is that? 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.880 And what are some examples of like where you looked at something and you're like, oh, I gotta look at this again. 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.079 So I'm really logical. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.599 I'm an analytical logical person. 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:16.559 Like that's how my brain works. 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:17.200 Yeah, me too. 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.680 I'm like very fact-based, and I don't take, I'm not a leapy kind of a person. 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.759 Like, oh, this is happening, must be this. 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.480 I'm like, no, let's explore how do we get to those steps. 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.559 It's just how the brain works, my brain. 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:33.200 In one of the moments that I had a flashback on was fourth grade. 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:34.880 So the way the classroom was. 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.000 So this is the classroom. 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.839 Here was the door to the classroom. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.240 My fourth grade teacher's desk was over here. 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.960 We had row, row, row, row. 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:44.880 I was in this row, all the way in the back. 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:45.200 Right. 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:51.200 We had our vocabulary tests, and the vocabulary test was 10 words, and then like an extra credit. 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:52.480 So Ms. 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.079 Worthley was sitting at her desk. 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:58.960 I was over here, and she gave us the 10 words, and then she gave us a bonus word. 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.200 And the bonus word was phlegm. 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:08.079 And when she said the word phlegm, I remember looking up at the chalkboard and I saw it on

the chalkboard. 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:09.200 So I wrote it down. 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:10.559 Spelled it correctly. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:10.880 Right. 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:17.200 So that teacher asked my mom, who was the medical practitioner in the family that I would know how to spell that. 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:24.640 So I got called into a like a conference, and my mom said, How did you know how to spell that? 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:26.640 Because there was nobody that I was around. 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.720 And the I was honest. 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:30.319 I was like, Oh, she wrote it on the board. 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:30.880 And Ms. 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:37.680 Wortley was like, I did not, you know, and she was a very um, very she looked a she was a very wrinkly woman. 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:39.920 So I remember her like whole face like shaking when she said that. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.359 And then in that moment, I just thought, like, oh my God, I'm gonna be in trouble for lying. 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.400 And I looked at my mom, I was like, she's lying. 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.119 And then I got in trouble for that. 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:57.519 But um, the logical part of me was able to go back and say, okay, hold on, you're sitting here, she's sitting here, she announced the word there. 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:01.119 Moments later, you looked up at the board and it was on the board. 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:04.720 She wouldn't have had time to walk over and write that on the board. 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:05.039 Right. 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:14.079 So then I had that moment of like, oh, okay, that would fall into the category of seeing something that was there that other people did not. 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:15.440 That had happened a lot. 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:17.039 There was a lot of reframing. 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:20.480 I had always, always had a dream of a little old man. 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.400 And I used to call him my little old man friend. 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.559 And if I was like looking this direction, I could see him like I'm seeing you. 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:26.720 Right. 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.039 But if I looked at him, he went blurry. 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.559 And this little old man friend would give me information about my family. 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:38.160 He would tell me stuff in my dreams that had happened, various things about my, you know, my grandma. 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.480 And then sometimes things that were coming up. 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:56.000 And one of the things that he had told me, and I think one of the last vivid ones that I remember from him was that a cousin of mine was buying a car and she wouldn't know that there was something that she thought she was paying for in the car, but she wouldn't know that it wasn't in there until the next season. 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.319 So I said that to my grandmother. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.599 She actually, my grandmother asked me, she goes, You ever talked about your little man friend? 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:02.400 She goes, Have you heard from him? 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:04.079 I go, as a matter of fact, I did last night. 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:05.039 And I told her the dream. 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:07.039 And she said, Well, you know, your cousin's buying a car. 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:08.160 You should tell her. 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:09.680 So I called my cousin. 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:10.880 And it was winter time. 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:13.279 And I said to her, Grandma said you're buying a car. 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:14.079 Are you buying a new car? 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:14.880 She goes, I am. 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:16.000 She goes, Why are you asking? 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:18.000 I was like, I had a really weird dream. 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.440 I tell her about the dream. 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:22.960 She goes back and she has them look at the actual car. 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.359 She had paid for air air conditioning in the car. 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.039 She was buying it in the winter. 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:29.279 The air conditioning wasn't in this car. 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.519 And she would have never known until she would not have known that. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.240 Until it got warm. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:33.119 Until it got warm. 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:33.599 Yeah. 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:38.160 So there were those moments that I had kind of looked back on and like reframed. 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:42.880 Um, I used to fly as a kid, but you know, every kid wants to be Superman. 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:44.160 Every kid wants to fly. 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.880 But I used to have a lot of anything that had powers, I was interested in. 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.480 So, like Escape from Witch Mountain was a movie that I was obsessed with. 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:59.759 But the Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman, any superhero, like anything that had like powers, I was very, very connected. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.240 To. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.680 But like all kids were, right? 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.640 So to me, it wasn't like that's an anomaly. 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:06.319 It's just all kids were. 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.839 So a lot of reframing went into my childhood. 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:15.359 When did you start to make the shift where you're like, oh no, this is undeniable? 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:20.319 And then the shift again to deciding to help people with this. 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:29.039 The shift of it that was undeniable was a slow, slow process because I kind of felt like the universe had to keep putting in in front of me. 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:30.640 So I had the reading with Lydia. 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:31.519 She was the first woman. 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.240 And because my mom and my aunt, that's how the family always went to psychics. 00:22:34.400 -->

00:22:35.519 I used to go to psychic fairs. 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:35.920 Okay. 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.279 So I said to my mom, like, don't you think we should get like a second opinion? 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:39.920 Like a doctor? 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.319 Like, shouldn't we just like, shouldn't I go to somebody else? 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.160 And my mom said, sure, but let me let me suss out some people. 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.880 I'll I'm gonna go make sure that I'm okay with these people. 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.119 I know that she used that as an excuse to go like have additional readings because she loved the subject matter. 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:56.559 So she brought me back like five or six business cards from a psychic fair. 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.559 And I went to them separately, privately, and they all said the same thing to me. 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:01.359 So then I made a joke. 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:03.119 I was like, maybe this is like a psychic thing. 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:04.720 Like they all tell people that they're psychic. 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:06.640 So you take their class. 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.240 But nobody offered me a class. 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:09.920 Like nobody said, come take my class. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.000 It was just like, do you know how psychic you are? 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.279 I'd be like, not really, but I've heard it before. 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:23.279 So when you have like five or six separate people who don't know each other from different parts of New York telling you the same thing, that to me was like, okay, I need to look at this. 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:35.519 And one of the people actually, in the middle of the reading she was doing for me, got up, went to the phone, and called the woman who ran the psychic fair she worked at and said, Chili, you need to, you need to meet this kid. 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.119 Like he's really psychic and he needs to come like work the fair. 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:40.720 And I was like, what is happening? 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.160 So she came and sat back down. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.480 And when the reading was over, I looked at her and I was like, How do you even know that I do readings? 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.759 And she goes, How could you even ask me that question? 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.160 I was like, but I never even asked you. 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:52.480 Right. 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.279 And she goes, How could you even ask me that question? 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:56.000 Right. 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.240 So that woman introduced me to the woman who ran the psychic fairs. 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:05.359 And I had been doing readings at the time, cousins and cousins, friends, nothing really seriously. 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:11.440 I went to the Snug Harper Cultural Center on Staten Island, New York, and I met the woman who ran the fairs. 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.039 And she said, Go have a seat at

the back table. 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:14.160 I'll play with you in a minute. 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.319 So I walked through this room, like room full of people at tables doing readings. 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.079 And when I sat down, I'm like sitting there thinking, like, okay, this is really weird. 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:28.480 Like, I can't believe I'm like 16 years old, driving illegally to Staten Island, which is like 90 minutes away from where I am. 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.799 This woman sat in front of me and she says, Do you do you have cards with you? 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:33.440 I did. 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:39.440 I had both business cards because Lydia had given me a gift of business cards to give to people that I wasn't planning on giving to anybody. 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:41.599 And I had the cards that I was reading with. 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.039 So she said, Read for me. 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:43.920 And I was like, now? 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:44.799 And she said, Yeah. 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:45.599 So I was like, okay. 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.559 So I did a reading, which I will still say to this day was a really bad one. 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:56.319 And then about 10 minutes later, this other woman walks up to the table and she hands me a red ticket that had my name on it, had her name on it, and whatever time it was. 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:58.240 And I looked at it, I was like, What is this? 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:00.960 And she goes, Well, I think I give you the ticket and you give me a reading. 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:02.880 I was like, Oh no, no, I'm sorry, they made a mistake. 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:03.359 Come with me. 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.480 I walk back up to the front and I said, She likes, oh, this woman just handed me a ticket. 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.240 I go, I think this is for another John. 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:09.279 Is there another John here? 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:10.720 And she goes, No, it's for you. 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:11.680 And she's laughing. 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:13.200 She goes, just go read her. 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:14.559 I read nine people that day. 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:20.079 That was my first like real professional moment reading nine people at a psychic fair. 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:27.759 And then those people told people, and those people told people, and it was that's how it just kind of just spiraled really, really, really rapidly. 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.599 Talk me through a portion of this for sure. 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.039 You actually like skeptics. 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:33.519 I do. 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:34.480 I do. 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:35.599 And I think that's beautiful. 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:36.720 Not cynics, right? 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:37.519 But skeptics. 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:37.920 Right. 00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.720 And I can't not like skeptics for various reasons. 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:41.759 One, I was one. 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:42.000 Yeah. 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:42.480 Right. 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.279 So when people attack me, I go, yeah, I get it. 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:45.599 Right. 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:46.240 I did it. 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:47.680 Like I did the same thing. 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.480 And I was better at it than some of the people who attacked me, to be honest. 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:50.799 Right. 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.359 And I just was like, okay, I know, I know where they're coming from. 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:53.759 Right. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:55.680 But to be skeptical means that you're questioning. 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:56.000 Right. 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:03.599 And I think it was really significantly important back in the 80s and now in 2026 and moving into the future. 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.440 I don't think anybody cannot be skeptical. 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.039 And this is what I say at all my events. 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:14.559 I'm like, how many times have you looked at your phone and had to turn to somebody and say, is this real? 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:14.960 Right. 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.640 Like, is what I'm seeing with my own eyes actually real or is this AI? 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.559 On TikTok alone, I have one verified account with a blue check mark. 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:23.519 You think that would be enough? 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:24.079 It's not. 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:24.400 Right. 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.160 There were over 200 cloned accounts on TikTok of me. 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:28.640 Yep. 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:32.240 And now these people go after the people that comment on my stuff. 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:36.400 So I think people have to be skeptical to make sure they're not taken advantage of for real. 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:37.440 Like for real, for real. 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:37.680 Yeah. 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:39.759 So I think skepticism is really important. 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.000 You're a curiosity person. 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:42.400 Sure. 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:43.359 You're a question person. 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:43.839 I am. 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.240 And I think that's kind of what led you here, but I think it continues to be, right? 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:49.759 Because I'm a curiosity person. 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.160 Part of the reason that we're here in this space. 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.519 I'm fascinated. 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:54.960 You see things. 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.279 What how do you receive a lot of the stuff? 00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:58.640 What does it look like for you? 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:00.480 It is a three-part process. 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.799 I see, hear, and feel energy. 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.640 And I want everybody to know that it is so subtle. 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.799 It's not like you would think in the movies. 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.799 It's not how things would be depicted. 00:27:11.039 -->

00:27:12.960 It's like so subtle that you can miss it. 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:13.440 Right. 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:25.359 Like, I mean, so subtle that it's the differentiating between what you're actually thinking and what you're receiving and paying attention and being able to put yourself in the place of receptivity. 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.039 So where you clear your mind and just go with whatever it is that is actually coming through. 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.680 So whatever I see here and feel, I'm going to now say. 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:36.079 But it's kind of like psychic charades or sign language. 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:41.200 I remember I did a uh I did a the Charles Groden show and there was a producer on there. 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:42.640 His name is Brendan. 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:49.200 And Brendan was a great, great, great skeptical producer, but skeptical in a healthy way. 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:49.599 Right. 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.240 And after I did the show, because I have a lot of symbols, right? 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.480 So I'll talk about people being above you, which means you're older, people below you being younger to your side around the same age. 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.000 I'll get initials and names. 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:02.240 And then like I have a whole bunch of things that when I see, like if I see a white flower, it means happy birthday, congratulations. 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.319 If I say pink roses, it's the way of expressing love. 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.480 If there's thorns on the roses in life, they couldn't say it. 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.640 Blue rose means someone's passed in the last 18 months. 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.720 So like I have all these, like it's a quick shorthand. 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.079 Like, I know I see that, I say that. 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.240 And that's those are things that mean something to you. 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:14.640 To me. 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.039 Right. 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:15.519 Okay. 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.920 Over a period of time, they kind of get established. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.200 For example, like something really relatively new in the last decade. 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:27.440 If I used to see a strand of DNA, I knew that somebody had a chromosomal abnormality in their family. 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:27.759 Okay. 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.160 Like a birth defect, the genome defect. 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.519 Now it means somebody did their DNA and found out they have another relative. 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.799 Because it's changed, because that wasn't possible 10 years ago, right? 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:37.759 It completely changed. 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:43.119 So after the Charles Grodin show, Brendan said, off camera, he's like, dude, I don't get it. 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:47.279 He's like, why can't they just be like, I'm his dad, my name's John. 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:47.519 Right. 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:48.720 I had lung cancer. 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:49.920 Tell him that I love him. 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:52.640 And I looked at him and I smiled and I said, Well, they kind of do. 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.200 And he goes, No, he goes, it's so cryptic. 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.880 And I was like, Brendan, I go, how do deaf people communicate? 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.640 And he looked at me and he goes, What? 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.480 I go, how do people who are deaf communicate? 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.799 He goes, sign language. 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.480 And I went, why don't they just talk? 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:09.039 Right. 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:15.519 And the politically incorrect statement that I made to him, like, he was like, like, dude, like, how could you say that? 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.880 I'm like, no, seriously, why don't deaf people just talk? 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:20.480 He goes, because they're deaf. 00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.000 They're hearing impaired. 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.599 They don't have the like the faculties to be able to do that. 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:26.319 I'm like, right. 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:27.359 And these people are dead. 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:28.559 They don't have the physical body. 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.000 So they can't actually make sound happen in the way that you're asking. 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:37.599 I said, so it's got to be processed in the mind of the recipient, which is me that's the medium. 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.319 And the way that it comes across to me is this way. 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.640 You may talk to another medium, it's going to come across differently. 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:42.880 Right. 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.839 People have different abilities and they're going to see things in a different capacity. 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.039 And he goes, got it. 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:48.799 I go, so it's like sign language. 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.440 And then I studied ASL for a hot second. 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.359 And one of the things I was fascinated about ASL is that it's not what I thought it was. 00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:03.519 I thought that when somebody was communicating in ASL, they were literally saying word for word of what they're actually interpreting. 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.039 And apparently they're not. 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:12.880 They're not saying word for word, they're interpreting in gesture, word for word, and conveying that in a really, really big way. 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:19.759 And I found that fascinating because otherwise everything would be like fingerspelled, or it would be like word for word. 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.079 So I think it's a lot like that. 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.720 The interpretation of energy is where things can go sideways. 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:31.599 So I always say they 100% in their intention of coming through. 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:32.799 Me, no. 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:33.920 I

could, I'm human. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.880 I could misinterpret what they're saying, which is why my style is to share everything that I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling in case I go down the wrong path. 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.039 At least they know what was attempted to come through. 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:48.880 How often, because I imagine it's a bit like anything else, because you're translating in some ways, right? 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.279 How often do you give somebody something and it makes no sense to them in the moment? 00:30:53.359 --> 00:31:00.960 And then afterwards they like reach back and are like, often, yeah, because I would imagine it's like, oh, I don't know anything about a rose, right? 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:12.799 And then they go and talk to their mom, their sister, their brother, somebody else, and they're talking about the roses that this person used to grow, or the thing that that image actually could mean something completely different. 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.480 Like rose is actually rose a person, not rose a flower. 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.160 Like I would imagine that happens a lot. 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:19.119 It happens quite a bit. 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:19.519 Okay. 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.519 And that's because people have expectation. 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.240 And they have an expectation of what that process should look like. 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.319 If this person was going to come through, they should be doing this, they should come through with this, they should say this. 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:33.519 And that doesn't always happen because they're going through a third-party person that has to interpret it. 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:41.200 So one of my favorite, favorite old-time stories is I did a private reading for a woman and her dad was coming in. 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:42.319 And it was a great reading. 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.200 It was like, you know, it was a good reading, it was validated, it was accurate. 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.720 But the entire time the dad was showing me golf symbolism. 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.839 So I said very confidently, I go, Oh, your dad wasn't having a golfer. 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.920 My dad never golfed a day in his life. 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:55.200 It's like, hmm. 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:01.920 Throughout the entire reading, I'm seeing golf clubs, golf balls, golf carts, golf courses, golf hats, right? 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.279 You name it, the golf symbolism is it couldn't get it couldn't get bigger. 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:05.680 Right. 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.680 So I'm like, are you sure? 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:08.640 And she said, Well, not. 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.880 She goes, Maybe he took up golfing in the afterlife. 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.960 I was like, no, I feel like this has a bigger meeting. 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:13.359 Right. 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:14.880 So the reading ends. 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.400

There is no resolve with any of the golf symbols that were coming through. 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:19.680 And the reading's kind of like over. 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:20.799 And I said, Do you have any questions? 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.000 She goes, I do have one question. 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.680 She goes, She goes, John, I'm not testing you. 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:24.559 She goes, This was amazing. 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.680 She goes, Thank you so much for this. 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.400 She goes, but my dad used to sign everything with a number. 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:29.759 Can you tell me what that number is? 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.839 And I went, No, because now I have 47 numbers like floating through my head. 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:34.880 I know. 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:42.000 And at that moment, he took all the golf symbols and he like played it like a movie in my mind really, really fast, and he added one more. 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:43.519 He went like this. 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.440 And I was like, four. 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.720 Now he's doing the golf thing again and he's ending it with like, whatever is that? 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.079 What do they yell when they play golf? 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:50.319 Yeah. 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.559 And I was like, four. 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.880 And then it hit me and I went, four. 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:56.799 And she was bawling her eyes out. 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:07.680 Now this man was brilliant because if he would have said to me, four, I would have turned around and said, either April the fourth month has a meaning or the fourth of a month is significant birthday or anniversary. 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.240 And she would have said, No, that was one of my dad's favorite numbers. 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.200 He signed everything with it. 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.480 And I would have said, No, I don't get information like that. 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:15.200 Right. 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.519 Because I would have stuck to my symbols. 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:18.640 He was brilliant. 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.359 He took me down a whole path to get to the place that she was going to ask me at the end. 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.720 That's got to be such a beautiful experience. 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:36.079 Do you feel like you're giving people a reconnection or a I feel like I'm giving people an education? 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:36.559 Okay. 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.400 I want to give them a tool set. 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:47.839 When I was a kid and people, when I say a kid, when I was a teenager, you know, late, late teens, early 20s, when my grandmother would hear me telling my clients when they would say, When can I come back? 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:49.440 And I would say, you know what, you've seen me. 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.839 Like maybe if you want to do this again, go, go, go see somebody else to get a different perspective. 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:54.640 They would leave. 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.799 My grandma would be like, What is wrong with you? 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.599 And I'd be like, What? 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.640 She's like, Why, what why are you telling people not to come back? 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:01.759 You're gonna have no business. 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:03.200 I'm like, I'm good. 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:08.320 I'm just not wanting people to foster a dependency on me or the subject matter. 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.360 And then it got to a point where people couldn't get back in front of me, so it was kind of easy. 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:15.039 I could tell people, like, you can't, you couldn't get to see me sometimes for like over a year. 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:15.360 Right. 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.119 But I still didn't want people to foster an external connection. 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.679 I still don't want people to foster an external connection. 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.679 I want people to actually go direct. 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:30.000 There's no greater gift than we can give them than ourselves and our ability to be open to how they communicate directly. 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.039 Is it nice to be read? 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:31.599 Absolutely. 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:32.880 Is it nice to get the validations? 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:33.679 Of course it is. 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.719 Do I like it when a colleague of mine will turn to me and give me something? 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.360 Of course. 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.400 But that doesn't usurp my own direct connection with my family and friends that are in spirit. 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:43.679 That to me is the gift. 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:50.639 So is part of this, you want people to see the signs, the feel the energy, have their own connection and build their own muscle. 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.519 I want them to live with the knowing that they have their own relationship still. 00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:04.000 Like I don't think there's any greater gift we can give the people who have passed than ourselves, giving them and being 50% of that equation. 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:10.239 And sometimes we we are seeking and seeking is good because that leads to exploration and discovery. 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.280 When you have discovery, it raises your awareness, and then you can put things into action. 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.480 That's how we actually evolve. 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.119 But if we're only seeking the things that we want to hear, we might miss all the other stuff. 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:20.639 Interesting. 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.519 Let's talk about for a minute, chasing evil. 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.079 Sure. 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.840 So you worked kind of secretly, right? 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:29.119 With an FBI agent. 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.000 Always secretly. 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:30.400 Yeah. 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:30.960 Yes. 00:35:31.280 -->

00:35:32.639 How did that start? 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:38.639 And then, like, and what did it feel like to begin this process? 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.719 So he heard me on the radio. 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.360 I had been a staple on morning radio across America. 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:43.679 Right. 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:49.519 Where I was like one of the top guests on a lot of the top morning shows when radio stations were like in their heyday. 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:49.920 Yeah. 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:54.320 And he heard me on the Scott and Todd morning show in New York City, WPLJ. 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:55.920 And I was on there a lot. 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:57.599 And he did not like that. 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:04.719 He did not like the fact that they were putting this guy on to give false hope to people thinking that they could talk to their dead relatives. 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:10.000 So he took me on as an assignment to expose me as a fraud, but he brought me a real case. 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.599 And that's how we met under that arrangement. 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:19.679 Now, the funny part is, I was told by my assistant that he had called multiple times and I had to get him in. 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:20.400 Nope. 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:20.800 Right. 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.000 I found out on book tour while telling that story. 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:29.280 And he's a very, very black and white, really black and white communicator. 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.880 And he was like in the middle of an interview, he was like, I called you once. 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.000 I was like, what? 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.079 He's like, I only called you once. 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:37.440 I was like, I didn't know that. 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.199 I found that that like on book tour. 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:39.599 Right. 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.960 So he called once, my office got him in front of me. 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.559 He brought a New Jersey cop with him. 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:49.519 So the two of them sat opposite me and he brought me a real case of a missing woman from New Jersey. 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:56.960 And throughout that reading, getting information about that specific woman in case, I wound up connecting with him. 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:02.000 And I brought through information about his mom and dad's family that he did not know. 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:11.039 That when he went home and basically gave them the information, one of his family had a little bit of an emotional reaction to it and then validated the information. 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:18.159 So for him, he was a little bit like mind-blown from the reality because he also works in evidence. 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.000 He works with like data. 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.079 And his data was now, there's no, he knew that there was no way that I would know anything about his family. 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.119 That was how we met. 00:37:25.280 -->

00:37:32.000 And then as a result of that, he called me back and was like, Can can you help me in any other way moving on? 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.159 And my dad was a New York City police officer. 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:35.440 He was not a fan of the subject matter. 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:36.960 Matter of fact, he had said two things to me. 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.880 One, do not besmirch my name and don't ever let me find out that you're working with the police. 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.840 So I jokingly say I jumped over the police and went right to the FBI. 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.320 But um I only worked, I only worked for one guy. 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:47.119 It was Bob. 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.159 Um so I jokingly say, I didn't work for the FBI, I worked for the BOB. 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:50.400 Right. 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:51.840 And I really didn't have an interest in crime. 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.119 I still don't have an interest in crime. 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.039 Like that's not where my passion lies. 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:56.960 And it seems to work with him. 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.920 It seems to like, I don't know, our connection universally, he's like a brother to me. 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:06.639 It was a three-decade journey where he would, you know, come to me with some of the cases he was working on. 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:07.440 And he'll say it. 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.599 He goes, I didn't set out to prove him right. 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:10.800 I didn't have a bias. 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:12.639 I just used the insights. 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.400 And I say, I solve nothing. 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.920 He used those insights in his work. 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:19.599 And it's kind of what I do with my clients. 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:20.800 I can't fix their grief. 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:21.039 Right. 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.000 I give them insights. 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:23.679 What they do with that, it's up to them. 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.280 It's very interesting because I think it's a teamwork thing, right? 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.639 I I love that you're like, I didn't solve any of these things. 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:41.199 Talk about at least one or two examples of like, here's an example of something that maybe he was running into either a dead end or something that didn't match up. 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.519 Because I don't think people realize from the outside. 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:43.920 Right. 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:49.599 Um I used to work for you Jav Recovery for a while, and then I consulted with with some government agencies. 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:56.239 People don't realize how few crimes really get solved until there really needs a piece. 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.159 And it's all puzzles, right? 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:04.559 Because you're you're trying to put together pieces where people can't tell you the details. 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.440 So I would think this is a perfect example of the unknown, right? 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:21.039 Where you're giving a piece of the information, then you guys kind of have to figure out where that piece fits in the puzzle, but then you still have to solve the puzzle and then you have to prove it. 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:22.159 That's a him thing. 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:22.320 Yeah. 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:23.199 That's not a me thing. 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:24.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.320 So, like that, it's great teamwork because it's like I'm receiving this kind of information. 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.760 You have to decide what that means and then decide what you do with it. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.199 I kind of feel like I was the seasoning to what he was already doing. 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:43.119 Like I gave him a, I gave what he was cooking a certain type of flavor or the ability to look at things through a different capacity or a lens. 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:43.440 All right. 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.639 So there's one of the cases there was a woman that was missing from Yale. 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:47.840 Her name was Annie Lee. 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.679 I was on tour in Ireland and he got called in on that. 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.960 And he called me as he was walking through, and I worked in a hospital. 00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:02.639 So I literally had a frame of reference of walking through a lab, and there were certain things that they were able to show me to help guide kind of guide him. 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.920 So I was able to say, okay, look for this. 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.000 Once you go through that door, look for this. 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:13.280 Once you go through that, and then he got to a certain area where I was like, She's right there. 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:14.719 And he's like, She's not here. 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.320 I'm like, she's right there. 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:23.440 I was giving the description of what it was that I was seeing, whether it be like, you know, a footprint that was on the ceiling or the mini fridge that was there. 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.119 All of these things were like landmarks that he was seeing while he was there. 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:34.079 And that was an example of like how he was able to kind of tell the people what and where to look. 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.679 Fascinating. 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.559 And I believe that they found her after he had left. 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.480 So that was an example of information getting validated after the fact, not while he was present. 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:43.280 Right. 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.920 Do you love that part when a piece comes? 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:53.920 Yeah, like when it doesn't seem like it came together, or because it's an ability, right? 00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:56.239 You talk about using this muscle, right? 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.320 Doesn't always work or

doesn't always work at the speed we want it to. 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.920 It must feel amazing when somebody realizes later. 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:04.639 It does. 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:11.199 But it feels equally not amazing when someone's sitting in front of you and they're grieving and you want to help them and you don't feel like you can. 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:11.440 Yeah. 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.280 Like when you can't break through that. 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:18.320 So like there are these moments where all you hear back is no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:23.199 And then you push as much as you can to get them to at least remember what's coming through. 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:24.880 And hopefully they'll make that connection. 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.039 But I think a lot of times they they might not. 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:34.400 I think one of the best, and I will say the word, one of the best gifts I was given came from a woman that I studied with, her name is Sandy Anastasi. 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.079 And she said to me, You know, you don't have to be 100% right. 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:40.480 And I looked at it and I was like, What? 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.239 She goes, When you do what you do, you don't have to be a hundred percent right. 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:45.599 And she paused. 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.920 She goes, But you have to strive to be a hundred percent accurate. 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:51.360 Yes. 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.079 Okay. 00:41:52.800 --> 00:42:01.840 And it became very, very, very clear to me that as a medium, I could be a hundred percent right almost all the time. 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.400 Because people want a certain person, they want to hear a certain thing. 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:06.719 Right. 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:13.679 And anybody who's been doing readings for less than a year will know exactly what those things are, and they'll know exactly what to say to the person. 00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:20.480 So in my events, in my private sessions, I will tell people up front, hey, I'm taking all of these things off the table. 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:27.119 We're not gonna be talking about your butterflies and your cardinals and your dragonflies and finding feathers and seeing 1111 and your pennies, dimes, and quarters. 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:37.360 And I go down like a listing of all the top things that people are gonna definitely see because those are the symbols that their loved ones and friends are gonna use in a pattern to get them to see that. 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:38.559 So every medium knows that. 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:40.320 So I'm like, every medium knows this. 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:41.440 These aren't allowed to come through. 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:48.960 Oh, and by the way, I'm also not gonna talk about your jewelry and I don't want to talk about your photographs unless they give me a story that's gonna be connected to it and your tattoos. 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:49.280 Okay. 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.039 Because these are all the things that people will do to honor and connect with their loved ones and friends. 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.639 So I take that off the table because I know that that's happening. 00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.960 But if I want it to be right, 100% of the time, I would leave all those things on the table. 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:06.079 And I'd be like, oh, there's something that happens, and you see cardinals, and that's your son. 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.719 It's off the table because I want to be accurate. 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:09.199 Right. 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:26.480 And sometimes that wanting to be accurate, getting as close to us 100% as possible, which is not never gonna happen, but to strive for that means that you have to say no to people in a group that are saying, yes, that's for me, and go to the person who's going, no, I don't know what that is, when you know it's for that person. 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:27.280 Right. 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.000 It must be an interesting dynamic. 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:37.039 That must be a fascinating thing because you're like, my message is coming this way, right? 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.239 I feel and this is the one person in the group who isn't saying, me, me, me, pick me. 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.320 But you kind of know. 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:46.079 I get a pull. 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:47.360 I literally feel pulled. 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.880 So, like, if I was reading for you, I would feel a pull towards you. 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:56.480 But if I was reading for the producer, I would get a pull towards the producer and I would be like, oh no, no, no, I'm I'm over there, right? 00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:57.360 Not over here. 00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:59.440 And that happens when I'm standing in front of an audience. 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:03.679 Like I'm In front of a group of people, whether it's 10 people or 10,000, I'm gonna get a pull to the section. 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:08.400 And many, many, many, many times the people in that section look at me like, I don't have that. 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.679 And then you have like 17 other hands that are like, Oh no, that's for me. 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:20.639 So I either look to be right in front of people, or I go, No, no, no, I'm over here and wait for more information to come through to validate that I am with that person. 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.320 And then eventually there's a breakthrough moment. 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.880 And I think that to me is what's the most, I don't know, fascinating part for me all these years later. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.239 This is 41 years I'm doing this. 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.599 I am mesmerized by the process. 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.719 I love watching it, whether I'm doing it or somebody else is doing it. 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.800 I just love watching the connections happen. 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.760 And

somebody said to me, like, you're still like amazed by this. 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.880 I go, the day that I'm not amazed by this, I shouldn't be allowed to do it. 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:43.760 Right. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:54.880 Yeah, because I if there's no, but I see the same thing about acting or when I'm coaching or any, like, if it doesn't stir something in you, then you've lost your magic for it. 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.039 And you probably shouldn't be doing it because you're you're not doing it for the right reason at that point. 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.559 What's the question that you wish people asked you? 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.280 What's the thing that people don't ask you that they should do? 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.119 This is the second time this week this has come up. 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.400 Somebody asked me on uh I have an online community called Evolve Plus. 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:10.800 Okay. 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.440 And somebody, Tristan, um, asked me, like, like, what is that? 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.800 What is the what is a question that that people would want to ask me? 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:19.679 Um, I don't know. 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:21.119 I'm I've been thinking about that. 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:22.239 I don't know what that is. 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:28.239 Okay, what's something that the rest of the world thinks is normal that you think is kind of crazy? 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:36.079 Because you're a very logical person, but you exist in a world that feels illogical to others. 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:36.800 Correct. 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.440 Which I think is actually, I think, one of your strengths. 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.599 Because I think it gives you a groundedness. 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:47.599 And I think you you face people who don't agree with you well because you're like, I get that, right? 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.599 But what are the things in this world where you're like, I just don't understand that? 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.079 Uh people's lack of belief in science right now. 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:54.480 Yeah. 00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:00.639 The fact that people think that they could be a keyboard warrior and know better than scientists regarding vaccines. 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.519 Like, that makes me want to like slap people. 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:03.840 Yeah. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.000 Like I lose my spirituality and I would be like, like, are you out of your fucking mind? 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:08.880 Like, seriously. 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:09.199 Yeah. 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.039 Like, we should not be dealing with measles. 00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:12.159 My background's in healthcare. 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:12.400 Yeah. 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:27.119 So when I look at like healthcare and public administrations, like that through that lens, it's like, it's kind of silly to have to have conversations about things that we shouldn't be having to have conversations because somebody it's it that that that right there. 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:28.079 Oh, I agree with you. 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:42.800 I I used to volunteer in the NICU, and they would have debates over whether they should if you can have the debate about some vaccines, but certain vaccines have been universally beneficial for really long. 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.239 Like the data is my mom was a nurse, so I come from a medical background. 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.480 And I'm like, that's not one, right? 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:53.119 Like our data is overwhelmingly, the science is very clear. 00:46:53.360 --> 00:47:00.079 And I'd be like, oh, please, because like measles is one, like, there's no reason somebody should have to deal with measles now. 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:00.480 Right. 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:08.400 And so it's horrifying to me to watch outbreaks because I also know what it looks like when someone has one and how horrible it is. 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:18.159 And I feel like if you're gonna be that person and you're gonna say, I'm gonna be anti-vax on this point, then they should be forced to actually understand the ramifications of that. 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.039 That goes beyond, well, I feel not about you. 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:21.360 Right. 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:22.480 You'll you don't live in a bubble. 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.800 You live in a you live in a world where your feelings are gonna get in the way of other people's health. 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:34.159 So for everybody that's out there that has autoimmune issues or like all of that, it's like it's an irresponsible stand. 00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:35.119 Yeah. 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.320 In my opinion. 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.960 What is it that lights you up at this point, John? 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:44.639 Like, what is the thing that like, or something that people wouldn't expect from you that the world doesn't really know? 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:45.199 I don't know. 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.760 I'm pretty I'm I pretty much talk about everything. 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.079 You know, and I I don't shy away from stuff. 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.480 Like if I have an opinion about something, I'll I'll say it. 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.519 I don't stand on uh like, oh, I have to protect my brand. 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:55.920 Yeah. 00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:57.119 I'm like, I don't care. 00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:57.519 Yeah. 00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:58.480 I'm just me. 00:47:58.639 --> 00:47:58.800 Yeah. 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:03.519 I like it's one of the things I love about you is you've been in this so long. 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:14.480 And I think one of the reasons that you've lasted so long in a public sphere, the same for me, is like because when you create a persona, then you have to try and keep it up, and that's exhausting because that's not who you are. 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.320 I gotta be honest, every time people would say to

me, Oh my god, you're just like you are on TV. 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:19.920 You're like, well, who else would I be? 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:21.119 I don't know how to be anybody else. 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.159 Like I if that wasn't a character, that's like that, that's me. 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:25.840 Like that, that was me then. 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.559 That's this is me now, older, but still me. 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:29.440 Right. 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.639 For family members, like mine? 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:33.039 Yeah. 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:33.519 Okay. 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.559 Do you find yourself sharing or not sharing? 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:40.800 Because I know you can turn this off and turn it on, right? 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:46.639 Do you do you try hard to be like Yeah, I don't want to ever overstep, right? 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.760 And sometimes if I see stuff over people that I know, like I know outcomes, right? 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.480 If I get in the way of those outcomes, then they're not gonna learn their lessons. 00:48:54.559 --> 00:49:05.119 So sometimes I have to be like aware of what I can say, aware of what I'm not what I shouldn't say, because if I stop them from a learning lesson here, they're gonna learn it someplace else. 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:06.960 So like let me not get in the way of that. 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:12.239 Sometimes there are moments where I know I could share and be like, hey, you may wanna, you may want to watch out for that. 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:21.920 Or take a but I I do it in an hopefully I do it with intention in an empowered way, not in a fear-based way. 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:23.360 Interesting. 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.559 That must be such a responsibility. 00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:27.760 It's all about delivery. 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.000 Like as a fellow Libra, you know how to communicate, right? 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:30.159 Yeah. 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:31.199 You know how to keep the balance. 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.400 I try to be very conscious of like how I deliver this message. 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:41.440 And I think that as a Libra, we play a game of energetic chess when we're saying certain things because people will say that Libras are indecisive. 00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:42.960 I say we're not indecisive. 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:50.639 I say that we just openly communicate about our options and then we switch to communicate about what the other option is. 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:50.960 Right. 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.559 But somebody who's on the receiving end of that may look like we're flip-flopping. 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:55.039 We're not. 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.239 We're just kind of like, you know, when a bat flies, they send out their little, you know, pings. 00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:58.480 Yeah. 00:49:58.639 --> 00:49:59.119 That's what we're doing. 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:03.360 We're sending out our energy to see what it feels like to

go in this direction and then to go in this direction. 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.199 Or maybe I'm gonna go back to this direction. 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:05.360 Right. 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.000 And people might look at that as being indecisive. 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.480 I don't. 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.119 I think we're playing an out loud verbal game of chess. 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.239 And like you get like a Taurus who's like, you know, oh, they're so stubborn. 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:15.679 No, I don't think they're stubborn. 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.280 I think they just need a lot of information to make an informed decision. 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:24.880 So I like to reframe some of the stereotypes around like like signs or or things of that nature. 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.760 But when I'm communicating, I'm I'm an intentional communicator. 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:29.760 I don't, I don't say things that I don't mean. 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:30.639 I mean what I say. 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.039 Yeah. 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:42.320 And when we're talking about giving insights or information, if I'm talking to my son, if I'm talking to my daughter, you know, or if I'm talking with my wife, sometimes there'll be moments like, you know, you're in a partnership. 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.239 So there'll be a moment of like not agreeing with something. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.440 I'll be like, hey, here's the reason why I'm saying this. 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.119 So let's not listen this way, listen this way, because I'm looking for this outcome. 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.880 Like I want to, like, I'm gonna avoid this and make sure we we hit that. 00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:56.559 And I'll do that with my kids too. 00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.679 I think anything like anything that comes to this work, right? 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:08.239 It comes to getting information, should be open, objective, and to help people learn and evolve through what their lessons are. 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:09.440 That's what my goal is. 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.199 Whether it's my son or my client, same, same person. 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.280 Talk to me about being a parent for a minute. 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:17.840 Love it. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.679 Because it's the most it's amazing. 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.119 I tell people all the time of all the roles I will ever have, the best type. 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:27.119 It's the best, it's the only one where I'm truly irreplaceable. 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.199 And it is the one that matters the most. 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:29.760 Same. 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:37.039 Because everything I do has ramifications and and and stakes that no one else can replace. 00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.920 So for me, I always want to leave people better than I find them. 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:40.159 Right. 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:46.559 And I feel like from a very, very young age, I wanted to put my voice into their

heads when I wasn't around. 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:47.039 Yeah. 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.079 And it was a very intentional thing because I lost my mom young. 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:51.679 And I was like, you know what? 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:52.960 I don't come from great stock. 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:54.159 I don't know how long I'm here. 00:51:54.320 --> 00:52:03.840 I want to make sure that I'm downloading to them everything that I want them to know so that if I was abducted by aliens tomorrow, they can miss me, but they would miss me differently. 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:04.079 Yeah. 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:05.440 Because they would know I'm still with them. 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.920 Because there's no way I'm leaving them, not leaving my kids. 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.280 Like I'm gonna make sure that for the rest of their lives and my grandkids' lives, I would always be present. 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.280 And I would be, and I will be. 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.320 Like that I know. 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:16.559 Yeah. 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.800 Um, whether I'm in the physical world or not. 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:29.360 So for me, communicating with them is about raising the awareness to look at life through energetic glasses so that they have that edge moving forward in whatever they do. 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.119 Both of my kids studied astrology. 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.960 My son's a doctor, and my daughter is an actress, singer, dancer, writer. 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:36.639 Like she like does that. 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:43.039 But they both look at life through the energetic lens of metaphysics that I help to inspire them with. 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.519 And I think we'll continue, whether I'm here or not. 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.000 But that that's that's that was my job as a parent, I felt, to download that to them. 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:54.639 Yeah, I'm a firm believer in I don't know what time I get. 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.599 I raise my kids that way where it's like, look, I we don't know. 00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:02.159 So it's why it's so important that we both celebrate the time and make the most of it. 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:02.559 Yep. 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:03.039 Right. 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:12.000 And then, like you, I want you to learn certain lessons or have certain messages that are not designed for me to keep a hold on you. 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:18.719 They're designed for you to take them into the world and test them and evaluate them and change them and grow them in your own way. 00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:24.559 But I want that voice to be present and I want it to be a bit of a compass, right? 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:32.239 You don't always know, you can do the science of why the compass works, but basically you know where it points and what direction it's always going to point in. 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.840 That's dad's opinion, right? 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.960 You know, I'm consistent enough, you know where I'm pointing. 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:38.880 Now you get to make your own path. 00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:43.679 And there are moments where you have to sometimes, with people that you love, like say to them, like, oh, I'm not really sure. 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:45.039 Could you give them an answer? 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:45.519 Of course. 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.840 But you have to let them kind of like, you know, evolve in their in their own way. 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.880 My aunt said to me one day, she goes, You're so close to your kids. 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:53.760 She goes, you know. 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:55.280 She's like, they're getting older. 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.360 She's like, You're gonna have to let them go. 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:57.599 Yeah. 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.159 And I said very openly, I said, I will never let them go. 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:00.400 Right. 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:01.920 But I will always help them grow. 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:02.480 Yeah. 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.960 I I had this belief that my kids are supposed to go out into the world. 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.159 And I used to tell people all the time, I'll know if I did a good job because they will come back and they will spend time with me. 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:12.719 Right. 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.360 And that I think is what it is, is right, is like, I'm not holding on to them forever. 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:23.119 But I will always, in one form or another, be here, be loving you, and be present for you. 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:30.079 I feel so blessed with the relationships that I have with my kids because they like genuinely want to hang out with me. 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:30.400 Yeah. 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:35.360 Like if I'm traveling, like I'm getting ready to go somewhere if I'm gonna travel, like my daughter will be like, you know, I'm coming right. 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.199 Like, just like, you know, I'm on the trip. 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:38.480 I was like, great, awesome. 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.840 Or my son will be like, I wish I could be on this trip with you. 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.199 Like, I wish I could go here. 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:44.079 I wish I could do that. 00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.480 Or let's find time where we can do this. 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:46.800 Right. 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.719 And I think there's no greater gift than when your kids want to actually hang out with you. 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:52.400 Yeah, it it's magic. 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:57.599 It's it's of all the things I've ever done, it is the best and the most important. 00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:58.159 Same. 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.199 And I'm like, I'm like, that all the achievements, right? 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.760 All the things you've done over all these years. 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.519 It's beautiful to watch you shine in that way. 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.800 Because you're also super lit up

when you started talking about them. 00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.360 What do you feel like at this stage, right? 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.360 What does success look like to you, John? 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.599 Success for me is what you have right there is being a lighthouse. 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:25.360 Success for me is to um legitimately help people alleviate that darkness. 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:26.320 And that's what grief is. 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.079 If I could raise awareness on a grand scale, like that's what I do with crossing over. 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:31.920 That was an amazing opportunity. 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:33.519 Now I'm doing it online digitally. 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:38.639 So it's like I have this online community, it's Evolve Plus, and it's not just me. 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:38.880 Right. 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:44.000 So it's like I kind of do the mediumship thing there, but it's also like the world that I raise my kids in. 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:53.920 So there's astrologers on there, there's numerologists on there, there's grief therapists that are on there, there's mindful coaches, there are hypnotherapists, like we have past life aggression, everything that's connected to metaphysics. 00:55:54.079 --> 00:56:02.639 I brought together in this one community everything that I use in my life and the people that I use, like the people that I utilize, they are they're they're on there to show people different perspectives. 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:11.760 And somebody said to me, it's not normal that someone would take their platform and like their celebrity and shine a light on other practitioners. 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:27.280 I was like, well, maybe when you look at it that way, but if you look at it from the perspective of healthcare, right, if I'm a general practitioner and I don't do cardiology, then I have to send somebody to the cardiologist or to the optimologist, right? 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.559 So it's like these are specialties that they're not mine. 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:31.760 Do I understand it? 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.559 I do understand a lot about astrology, but I can't read your chart. 00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:35.440 So why would I try? 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:37.039 So have the astrologer available. 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.440 So I want people to live an energetic life. 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.400 So now in the Evolve Plus community, I have that. 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:43.519 And that's what we do there. 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.280 And then I go live there and I read for people. 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:46.960 So that's how I'm I'm doing that. 00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:48.480 And the lighthouse has been very something. 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.960 If you go on there, you'll see that one of the one of the groups says guide. 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:54.320 And it's the lighthouse. 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.719 So when I saw your studio, I was like, I'm in the right spot. 00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:57.679 Yeah, 100%. 00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:08.480 And I I also feel, and I do this in the entertainment portion of things, is and even this, this is not designed for me to like say, oh, I know everything. 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.719 If anything, it's for me to learn and share amazing, wonderful people. 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:17.519 It's to shine a light and let people realize one, you're not alone. 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:23.440 Two, there's way more information and positive people in the world than sometimes it feels like. 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.480 And three, you can find the light. 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:31.440 And when you can't find it, keep shining because people will find you if you go about it the right way. 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:35.199 And I think that's when you don't come from a scarcity standpoint. 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.519 It's like you're not worried that you won't be valid or that you can't share your thing. 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:40.400 You know who you are. 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:40.960 Yep. 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.840 So highlight other people who do great things. 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.800 And also, I'm a big fan of like, I wish more people. 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.440 This actually kind of goes back to the science thing for me a little bit. 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:56.480 It was like, we're in this world where all of a sudden everybody wants to be the sole wise person or the self-source. 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:56.880 Yeah. 00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:57.840 It's legitimately. 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.400 I I listen, I love electronics and I love technology. 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.159 But the moment the iPhone came out, it made everybody the ability to be everything. 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:11.519 So now you can be a cook and chef, and you can have the best home recipes possible. 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:12.880 It doesn't mean you can run a restaurant. 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:13.199 Right. 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:14.480 You can have the greatest home. 00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:29.679 My mother-in-law is Portuguese and she's got some like ridiculous home remedies for healthcare things that I would normally scoff at, but then I see them and I go, right, okay, you stick your finger in a microwave potato and it's gonna like take out the infection. 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.079 And then, you know, like whatever those things are, like they work. 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.000 But now everybody's a journalist, right? 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:38.960 Everybody's a public health official, everybody's uh, you know, an epidemiologist, everybody is the journalist. 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:44.719 And some people are good at what they do, some people are not, and that's misinformation or disinformation. 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:52.880 So with the advent of people having access to everybody, I think it dilutes people who actually have the letters before and after their name when it comes to science. 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.480 Yeah, I

think there is such a thing as being an expert. 00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:04.559 And some people have spent their whole lives obtaining not just the information in an area, but the information around it. 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.840 I mean, very much like in your community, you didn't just say, hey, I know this, so therefore I know everything. 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:10.239 Right. 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.000 You went, hey, I want to go get the best of all of these other things. 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.239 And like you said, and the people who are ethical. 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:16.559 Yeah. 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:16.960 Right? 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.880 Because you can have people who are really good at what they do who are not, but their egos are in the wrong place. 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:21.119 Yeah. 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.039 Or it's like too much about them. 00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:25.840 And I kind of feel like when you're doing this type of work, it can't be about you. 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.039 No, it's gotta be about the client. 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:27.519 Yeah. 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:34.239 Well, it's too much of a vulnerable space because it could go wrong way too easily. 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:38.400 Because it you're you're dealing with going back to grief, right? 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.480 You can sway people with grief because it's such a powerful emotion. 00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:49.280 So if you're not treading carefully and having some empathy in how you do it, you talked about delivering the message properly, right? 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:51.599 Like you can do a lot of damage. 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:52.559 Absolutely. 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.880 Sometimes a reading is not what people need. 00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:02.000 But when some when somebody thinks that they need a reading, right, I say, no, you want a reading. 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:03.679 You need an understanding. 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:09.920 When I say you need an understanding, you need to understand that there's a survival of consciousness, that your loved ones and friends are still with you. 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:17.599 You need the understanding, like you need oxygen, but you want a reading because you you think you need that to validate that. 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:31.199 And sometimes a client will actually get on the phone with me and I immediately know in the reading they don't need a mediumship reading, they need an astrology reading and a specific type. 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.760 So I'll say, Listen, you trusted me enough to make this appointment. 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:36.639 And they say yes. 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.880 And I go, okay, I need you to trust me now. 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.440 I'm gonna talk to you for the entire time that we have because I got nowhere else to be, and we're gonna chat. 01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.039 I'm not gonna charge you for this session. 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:49.599 I want you to use this money towards an astrology reading, and I think it should be this person. 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:50.800 And here's the reason why. 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.760 And usually they'll call me back and say, thank you. 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.199 I did need that. 01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:59.599 So I can answer their questions and still point them in the direction that they need to be in. 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:02.639 And I I kind of feel like, well, the universe put them in front of me for a reason. 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:02.960 Right. 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:04.880 What's the reason if I can't read them, right? 01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.519 Or if the information's not flowing, why? 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.559 That means I know somebody that I need to get them to. 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:15.199 Sometimes it's the counselors or therapists, a lot of times it's an astrologer, believe it or not. 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:16.239 Interesting. 01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:26.000 It's a beautiful thing to make space for someone, but also to understand that like I don't have to be the everything because nobody is. 01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:27.360 No, you can't be. 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.880 When you look at all of this journey, right? 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:36.400 Because I mean, you are 40, 41 years, something like 41 years this year. 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:37.760 Started 1985. 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:38.639 Yeah. 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:40.800 I imagine take none. 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:43.199 No, you're not that old. 01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:48.000 I'm almost I'm 30, almost nine years into this process. 01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:50.880 So, like, we both started early. 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:55.599 So with that comes also the understanding of time, right? 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.599 And how things have shifted. 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.639 What's the thing you wish you knew when you started that you know now? 01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:11.840 I don't know if I can answer that question with an actual answer because I think that would be like teaching trigonometry to a third grader. 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:17.599 I think before you can get to trigonometry, you have to go through the math of each year. 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.920 If I had to go back, there's one thing I think I would say. 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:29.920 And that is that I would tell the me in 1999 and 2000 that was about ready to do crossing over to enjoy it. 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:32.960 I would, I would say, like, it's gonna be difficult. 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.880 There's gonna be a lot of attacks, there's gonna be a lot of just a lot. 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.400 But the outcome is gonna be really healing for a lot of people. 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:46.880 And and do everything you're gonna do, be as difficult and challenging and temperamental to the network as you're gonna be. 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:49.199 Like, don't change a thing, but just try to have fun. 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:50.480 Because I didn't have

fun. 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.079 I didn't have fun doing the show. 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:54.000 It's such a powerful show. 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:57.440 And it was so unique because it was so different than everything else that had been. 01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:02.000 I mean, you really kind of made this space acceptable. 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:05.679 Because, like you said, before it was kind of called the occult, right? 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.679 Now there's still pushback, but it I think it has shifted quite a bit. 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:14.320 God, there's like nearly no pushback compared to like now, all over online, yeah. 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:16.400 People are looking for it and think it's normal. 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:21.760 Let me tell you, I remember Michael Logan from TV Guide Magazine and Soap Opera Digest magazine. 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:31.119 He and I are friends, and he said to me, Um, he calls me Psychic Boy, he was like, Psychic Boy, he's like, How does it feel to know you created a genre of television? 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:32.079 And I laughed. 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:32.320 Right. 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:32.880 I laughed. 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.079 I was like, Michael, I was like, it's a show. 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:37.599 And he goes, Nope. 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:39.519 He goes, You created a genre. 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:40.639 Watch what happens next. 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:41.280 He was right. 01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:42.719 He was he was definitely right. 01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:43.519 I think it's cool. 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.920 I think it's cool that I was able to open the door for other people and that they could actually do their do their work. 01:03:48.079 --> 01:04:01.519 It was a kind, it was a nice, it was a nice moment when Alison Dubois, who was the star of like the medium show, when she like said to me over the phone, she goes, I s my first conversation with ever over the phone was I want to say thank you to you, because if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have been able to do what I do in that way. 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:02.480 And she didn't have to say that. 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:04.800 Yeah, she had great success, but she took the opportunity. 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.039 So I always think it's cool when somebody pays like respect to who came before them. 01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:09.599 I do. 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:14.000 You know, I say there wouldn't have been a me if there wasn't a Char Morgolus or Suzanne Northrop or George Anderson. 01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:16.880 It takes nothing away from me to acknowledge the people who came before you. 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:17.119 Yeah. 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:18.159 So I think that's important. 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.599 I want to ask this question, and it's partially selfish. 01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:22.239 Sure. 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.599 Um when you say I wish I enjoyed it more. 01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:26.000 Yes. 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:27.679 Because

I'm building projects, right? 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:28.159 Okay. 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.760 What are the things you wish you took the moment? 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:36.400 Because I think it's a universal, like like you wish you paused more and celebrated. 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:42.480 I really, really wish I I really wish I took the time to like breathe. 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.559 Like I felt like I held my breath for four years. 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:44.960 Yeah. 01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:46.800 Because there were there was a lot of attacks. 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:47.039 Yeah. 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:48.480 There was a lot of attacks. 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:49.840 I mean, a lot of attacks. 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:50.960 I can only imagine. 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.400 And stuff that people don't know about behind the scenes, death threats. 01:04:54.480 --> 01:05:04.000 Like you, I mean, the fact that there was a Robert Hilland FBI agent in my world was probably also universally sent in to help me during that period of time. 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:06.880 Because of those attacks, we actually had great cover. 01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:15.920 One of the one of the uh producers, hey Christine, uh one of the producers after she read the book, she was like, dude, we thought he was there because of like the death threats you were getting. 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.559 We didn't realize that that you were working with him simultaneously. 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:19.519 I was like, I know, right? 01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:20.320 Perfect cover. 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:39.440 I think just to just to look back on the filming of the show, what it was gonna create for people, like what it did, like what it did for me professionally, like all of that, just to appreciate it in a have fun kind of way, not just like waiting for the other shoe to drop, you're gonna get shot in public, kind of like moment. 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:40.960 It's a lot, a lot of pressure. 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:43.760 Yeah, I mean, I I grew up with a lot of that. 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:45.760 And we've kind of talked about it. 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.079 The world doesn't really see most of that. 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:48.480 No. 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:56.960 Because the threats come veiled and and hidden, and there's pressure from networks, and there's the political portion of it. 01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.760 And I don't mean like in a politics way, but I mean the political within it. 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:04.800 Structure of both the business and then all of the connecting pieces. 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.480 People don't understand what that weight is like to be the leader and the face of a show. 01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.280 I also didn't have time for like nonsense. 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:19.840 Like you know, like you come out of the television world, so you understand how like network communications can be and notes. 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:20.320 Yes. 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:27.039 And there was just some really ridiculous moments that I just I like I deal with grieving people. 01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:35.920 Like I'm not I'm not dealing with like this woman's reading can't air because her reaction to her son's death was not emotional enough. 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:36.159 Right. 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.159 Like that was like that was like a legitimate note. 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:40.880 I was like, yeah, no, that reading will air. 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:46.320 So there was a lot of like fighting back on what they wanted the show to be in syndication. 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:47.519 Not the sci-fi version. 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:52.000 Bonnie Hammer was an angel who was overlooking that at sci-fi, and she was just a gift. 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:52.639 She was a gift. 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:57.920 But when it went into like syndication and it became like, you know, globally syndicated and like a really big deal. 01:06:58.079 --> 01:06:59.360 Now the pressure was on. 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:05.920 And um it was just a different, just a different level of stupid that I felt like I had to navigate. 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:11.360 And I remember saying to one of the executives there, like, you clearly must not think I can do this. 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:12.960 And they were like, Why would you say that? 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:14.960 I go, Because you're lying to my face. 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.000 Like it was a lot of those moments that kind of came in. 01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:25.920 We were on a celebrity shoot, which I did not really enjoy having to do the celebrity readings, but you know, that was part of something I had to contractually do. 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:30.800 My disdain for that only came from I knew how many people wanted to be read on the show. 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:36.320 I knew this because I already got the emails and the letters in the office, my office, you know, that celebrities got the stuff for free. 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.000 And it's like, why are they getting that? 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:38.559 Like, why? 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.920 And it's like, am I gonna explain to like all the people writing to me saying that? 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:46.079 Well, people are gonna watch the show because the celebrity they like is on it. 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.039 So it's actually helping the show, or so they tell me. 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:52.400 Um, I don't know if that was true or not, but they were like those types of moments. 01:07:52.559 --> 01:08:01.599 Um I remember being on a celebrity shoot where something had happened and I had gotten a phone call from the head of the network. 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.559 And it was just like, what's going on? 01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:05.679 type of moment. 01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:06.000 Yeah. 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.800 And I'm like, I have to go do a reading, and this person's called me. 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:10.159 And I was like, Are you in your

office? 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.159 And they're like, Yeah, are you at your desk? 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:12.800 And they go, Yeah. 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:14.719 Do you have business cards at your desk? 01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:15.360 Yeah. 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.279 I go, Do you see your title? 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.800 Yeah, are you gonna tell me the person with that title doesn't already know why you're calling me? 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:21.119 Right. 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:22.800 I go, call me back with a solution. 01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:23.760 And I hung up on him. 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.920 And my executive producer like went into like anaphylactic shock in the moment, right? 01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.640 He was like, Nobody talks to the network like that. 01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:32.880 And I'm like, and then you met me. 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:33.439 Right. 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.439 So I had a little bit of reputation. 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:39.600 Do you do you look back at that time? 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:41.760 Do you wish you had done some of that different? 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.279 Or do you feel like you had yeah? 01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:45.439 Because I feel like you have to fight for the pieces. 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:46.560 One thing. 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:46.960 Right. 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:48.800 Um, some of the stories are legendary. 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:49.359 Yeah. 01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:54.720 And sometimes you have to really fight to do it the right way or to do it the way that you know it needs to be done. 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:58.239 We had a day where we had to do 40 um wraps and throws. 01:08:58.319 --> 01:08:59.039 Like, okay. 01:08:59.119 --> 01:08:59.439 So you know. 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:00.000 Yeah, I know. 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:05.920 I yeah, maybe we should explain it for people because I mean, wraps and throws are just like, and it's exhausting, right? 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:07.199 Because it's all over 40. 01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:08.000 So 40 shows. 01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:24.640 Yeah, for 40 is a crazy number, too, because you you're wrapping them all, you're sending them, and they have to be perfect, and everybody has an idea or a note or a And it's basically just talking to the camera, introducing segments for you know, opening and closes and changing your wardrobe. 01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:30.720 And they needed that in order to actually um get the show delivered for syndication. 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:36.479 And our supervisor, supervising producer, if Liz is watching this, she's probably like freaking out right now. 01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:43.920 Liz knew that something had come down the pike that she knew what my reaction was gonna be to what it was. 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:51.279 And she said to them, Do not, under any circumstances, have this conversation with him until he's done. 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:52.159 Till the end of the day. 01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:58.399 She's like, I am gonna throw myself in front of his door to make sure nobody says this to him. 01:09:58.560 --> 01:09:58.720 Right. 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:00.079 Well, they didn't listen to her. 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:00.960 Of course not. 01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:02.159 So I left. 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:04.399 I left the building in the middle? 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:05.520 Before it even started. 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:06.079 Oh my goodness. 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:06.560 I just left. 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.000 I'm sure people were panicked. 01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.479 Oh, I got a phone call from my attorney in the car. 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:17.119 He was like, first, I got a phone call from the liaison to the network, and she said, Hey, and I'm like, hi, Val. 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:17.439 Yeah. 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:18.800 She's like, What are you doing? 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:20.239 I'm like, I'm driving home. 01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:21.920 And she's like, No, really, like, what are you doing? 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:23.119 She's like, You need to come back. 01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:24.159 I was like, no. 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:25.119 She's like, What are you doing? 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.279 I go, I'm actually showing you who's in charge. 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:28.319 Have a great day. 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:28.800 Yeah. 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:30.640 You know, it was like a lot of that. 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:31.920 And then my attorney called me. 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:33.760 He was like, Are you insane? 01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:35.840 I'm like, no, I'm not insane. 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.439 I'm just not playing this game. 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:37.840 Yeah. 01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:40.640 So and some things are bigger. 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:43.039 And it was never me from an ego standpoint, just to be really clear. 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:43.760 It was me. 01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.560 It was me fighting for what was the right thing for the show, right? 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:47.439 For the process. 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:48.560 That's why it wasn't fun. 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:51.359 And that's why I'm saying some of these things are bigger, right? 01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:55.680 Than people understand, is in order for the show, because you have to look at the person. 01:10:55.840 --> 01:11:02.880 That's the other part that people forget is as the person doing the actual thing, you're the person that someone has the interaction with. 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.119 You're the person who had to share their grief. 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.039 You're the person that they interacted with. 01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:08.880 You know the impact of this. 01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:09.359 Right. 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:11.920 But I was also like that for the people that I worked on the show. 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:16.720 Like I wouldn't sign my contract until they guaranteed me the uh producers and everybody on the show had healthcare. 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:17.119 Yeah.

01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.159 Seven or eight people came up to me and said, nobody does that. 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.239 I'm like, well, that's my background. 01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:23.760 I need to make sure people have healthcare. 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.760 So I did, there was a lot of bumps in the road in various different ways. 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.920 I enjoyed the show and I enjoyed the results of the show and I enjoyed the message and what it did. 01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:39.680 But if I can go back and if I can literally say to myself, like, hey, I'm you 20 years from now, have fun. 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:40.319 Have fun. 01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:41.039 Just have fun. 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:47.760 To people listening to this right now, there's people who have all kinds of different religious beliefs, spiritual beliefs. 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:50.960 What's the universal thing that you want people to take? 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:58.960 Right now, the big driving message that I keep getting is that we have to put the unity, humanity, and community back into our everyday lives. 01:11:59.119 --> 01:11:59.439 Yes. 01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:10.319 That we have to not be as segregated in these echo chambers of division, which is just tearing at the fabric of humanity right now. 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:18.239 And I don't like the fact that so many people like the smaller amounts of people are in control of the masses. 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:18.640 Right. 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.960 And that people surrender their free will to that. 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:29.680 So I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a rebel and a rogue when it comes to I'll I'll follow the rules as long as I respect who's making them. 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:29.920 Yeah. 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:34.319 But if I don't respect who's making them, I want to follow your rules because why would I do that? 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.479 Yeah, and I believe that rules should benefit humanity and collection. 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:45.760 Like there's a very simple, like some of these things right now, there's a small group of people making big decisions for other people that do not benefit them. 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:50.800 And I think it's really unfair to say, yeah, you don't really need a lot more of that. 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:51.840 It's like, no, no. 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:53.520 We should be lifting people. 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:54.880 We should be lifting community. 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:56.319 I miss the community aspect. 01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:57.359 We've we've isolated it. 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.239 We have to not come from a place of ego. 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:00.640 Right. 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:00.960 Right. 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:10.640 So when someone says, you can't take my guns, my guns, well, okay, you can have your guns and you can shoot your guns and you can do whatever you want with your guns, but it shouldn't be available to people. 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:15.840 We should

have, we should have some type of control over little kids not getting shot in school. 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:16.079 Yeah. 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.880 We should have a semblance of kids should be safe in school. 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:22.239 As a parent, you shouldn't have to worry that your kids are in school. 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:26.880 Like that's ridiculous in international countries. 01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:27.119 Yeah. 01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:29.439 Like it's a silly, silly thing. 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:34.880 Like when I go to Australia, there's a certain guard that gets dropped for me. 01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:38.399 Because I don't have in the back of my head where the exits are. 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:39.760 How am I getting out of here? 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:45.439 But I have that when I'm in the States, no matter where I am, no matter what place I'm in, because my dad was a cop. 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:45.680 Right. 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:46.880 So that's how I was trained. 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:47.920 Like, how you get out? 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:51.840 I mean, I do that everywhere, but I'm I'm gonna legitimately think about it a little bit more. 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:59.680 Because the moment I come back into the States after being gone for a few weeks, I have that moment of like, we have such an amazing country with such stupidity sometimes. 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:01.600 It's like really, really silly. 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.680 How do you manage that being so connected to things, right? 01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:07.359 And getting messages frequently. 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:12.800 How do you manage the weight of the overall struggle that's happening? 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:18.399 And all of that, the loss, all of the really horrible news that kind of invades all of us. 01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:19.920 How do you manage that? 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:22.079 I I look at the bigger picture. 01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:22.560 Okay. 01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:24.239 And I have hope for humanity. 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:24.720 Yeah. 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:26.239 That's how I do it. 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:27.680 Or I'm delusional. 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:28.079 I don't know. 01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:29.359 Take your pick, take your picture. 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:31.680 Yeah, you and I both are big believers in hope. 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:32.159 I do. 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:33.279 I really, I really do. 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:42.720 Like I feel like sometimes you have to go through the ridiculousness of what takes place for people to see stuff. 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:43.199 Yeah. 01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.399 Um, and it's not not a cool thing. 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:52.800 But I've been doing this long enough to recognize that people are gonna learn lessons, whether they want to or not. 01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:53.359 Right. 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:57.680 I was people, you know, some sometimes there were moments where I was like, no, I'm gonna outrun this. 01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:59.520 I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this differently. 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:00.319 No, you're not. 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.239 You know, you don't you don't outrun your lessons. 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:03.520 You don't outrun the universe. 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:05.199 Like you're here to learn lessons. 01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:06.000 You're gonna learn them. 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:06.159 Right. 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:15.039 And either you're gonna learn them willingly and kind of go with it, or you're gonna learn them in a way that the universe goes, How about now? 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:16.640 Just like we talked about with grief. 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:16.880 Yeah. 01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:17.760 How about now? 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:22.239 So I think it's always good to be a willing participant and trying to figure out what those lessons are. 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.199 Hence, why on Evolve Plus, I have the astrologers. 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:29.520 And every week there's an Astrology Plus podcast that gives us the astrology just for the week. 01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:40.319 So people could just have to take it in just a little bit, a little bit at a time, slowly kind of learning their math so that they can get to sometimes they become the trigonometry expert where they're doing the charts, right? 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:41.840 But you have to learn the language. 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:43.680 So I'm all about where's the lesson? 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:51.359 So if somebody is listening to this right now and they're feeling like I can't do it, I am so stuck, I am so stagnant, something's not right. 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.880 They may go, oh, I want a mediumship reading so my dad can tell me what to do. 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:56.960 No, you don't need a mediumship reading. 01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:58.159 Have your chart done. 01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:08.479 And if there's like a turning point moment, like if you had a day where you know like that day it all changed, have the astrologer look at that day and specifically say, what exactly is the lesson that I was supposed to learn from that? 01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:13.760 Because sometimes learning the lesson or understanding what the lesson is helps you to kind of make a plan. 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:14.960 It's like getting diagnosed. 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:18.319 Once you have a diagnosis, it's no longer just symptoms. 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:18.560 Right. 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:20.399 Now you can create a healthcare plan for it. 01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:21.199 Right. 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:22.079 Yeah. 01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:24.479 Thank you for shining your light in this way, John. 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:25.119 Thank you for coming back to the video. 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:26.399 Thanks for having me with us. 01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:27.760 I really appreciate you. 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:28.479 Same. 01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:29.119 Thank you.