บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ 2 Middle Aged Geeks on...Men In Black 3 (2012) | An Emotional Closing to the Trilogy!

00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.599 And I had like one spot that wasn't filled in 39 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:14.360 and it had been driving me nuts. So I was like, 40 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.800 Kermit's going right there, and that's what it's going to be. 41 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.080 So now I got this little Kermit that's there smiling 42 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.560 at the world, and you know, then I know and 43 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.759 so then I had some friends who went to Disneyland 44 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:29.919 this weekend because they there went to not so Scary Halloween. 45 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.319 I adopted a child this weekend because they brought me 46 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:39.039 a child back. I hello to my child. This is 47 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:42.280 a stitch dressed as a mummy, wrapped in toilet paper. 48 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:44.560 Who is my new favorite thing in the entire world. 49 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.599 And it looked it lights up, a little something lights up. 50 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:48.400 It's adorable. 51 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.840 So that's sure I've seen anything more PJ Campbell than that. 52 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.360 At this point, he's my child and I will love 53 00:02:56.439 --> 00:03:02.639 him forever, unconditionally. So he's now here right us talk 54 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:06.000 about podcasts and stuff, and he's adorable. Look at him, 55 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.319 look at him able. He's a great part of the 56 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.560 being here. He's like the best sidekick we could have 57 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:11.919 asked for. 58 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.879 Absolutely there's another sidekick we could have asked for, but 59 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:18.599 he refused to come on. I'm joking aside here with 60 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.479 the apologies to Mark Ellis. 61 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:25.400 H yeah, yeah, I should have said that up top. 62 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:29.919 I want everyone to know that today's episode Yeah Yeah, 63 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.520 of too Middle aged Geeks on Film is dedicated to 64 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:38.280 our friend and colleague Mark Baby Carrots Ellis. I don't 65 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.520 know what it is about men in Black three that 66 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.159 drives him so crazy. But he like hates this. 67 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.240 Movie legitimately, and he's he is like a very generally, 68 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.439 very positive person like we are as well. Like he 69 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.639 tends to like love things and everything else and kind 70 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:56.039 just like whatever this is brought up, he just like 71 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.599 he just has he's changed man, and he just does 72 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.599 not approve proof of anything to do it that he 73 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:03.879 actually lashed out we would do chacha about it. 74 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.479 Yeah, he got he got real defensive, and at one 75 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.919 point I was, well, Mark, don't you trust Paul, And 76 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.840 I like, this is a good movie. You should revisit it. 77 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.360 And then I went, you know what, don't answer that 78 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.639 because I don't want to know the answer act and. 79 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:18.839 I don't know. I think he's so down the hole. 80 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:20.279 I don't know if you never get out on this 81 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.360 one to be cooled the honesty. So you know what, 82 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.639 we'll watch it again for you, Mark, so that you 83 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.120 don't have to and we'll talk about it because we, 84 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.839 on the other hand, really enjoy this film. 85 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.040 Yeah, it's so funny because like I remember when this 86 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:37.079 came out and I can't believe how old it is now, 87 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:39.720 Like this movie's a decade old. Like wow, it came 88 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:45.639 out in twenty twelve, And for those who don't know, 89 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:47.879 the obvious is we're talking about Men in Black three, 90 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.639 once again, directed by Barry Sonenfeld, Will Smith, Tommy Lee Jones, 91 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.639 both returning to reprise their roles with us actually slew 92 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:01.199 of like new characters, and also Josh Brolin as young 93 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.560 Agent K, which ends up being a master stroke when 94 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.000 you realize they almost cast Mark Wahlberg in the role. 95 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.079 I read that and I was like, holy shit, what 96 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:12.959 a bullet day dodge there. And that's not someone I've 97 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:14.439 got someone who hates sparky Mark. 98 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.160 I enjoy Mark well, I mean he was part of 99 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:18.279 the funky bunch. How can you not? 100 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.879 Absolutely? I mean he does fine with what he's like usually, 101 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.040 I mean, rock star, brilliant. I mean, he's got some 102 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.639 stuff that I love watching. But like I I young 103 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.680 Tommy Lee Jones. No, not only that, though, It's not 104 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.319 only that, not only would Mark Wahlberg not be right 105 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:40.240 for it, it's just that James Brolin is absolutely note perrect. 106 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.040 I actually think he was more Tommy Lee Jones than 107 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:44.120 Tommy Lee Jones was. 108 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.279 I will contend to this day that I think that 109 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:52.439 he is far and away one of the best. Not 110 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.600 just do I think he's incredible

in this movie. I 111 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:56.680 actually think this is one of those times that it 112 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.000 drives me nuts that the Academy Awards overlook comedy so frequently, 113 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.720 because I genuinely believe he is so good in this 114 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.199 he should have been nominated for Best Supporting Actor at 115 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:09.639 the Academy Awards because it's such a specific performance. But 116 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.639 also like it is really good and he is so 117 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:14.920 fantastic in it. 118 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.240 I legitimately when he first has his first line of dialogue, 119 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.279 it just like I literally was like, what that's not 120 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.160 Tominly Jones d A. Like it really just felt like 121 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:29.040 and I get like you could argue there's arguments out 122 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.720 there like, well, you can't award somebody for an impression, really, 123 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:34.240 I mean because it's kind of a time of the 124 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.560 impression to a degree, but like it's more than that, 125 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:41.160 because he actually really embodies the character and it's amazing 126 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.800 that this film. We'll get into it as we go 127 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.720 through this film. Actually it might be my favorite of 128 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:48.120 a three. 129 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.680 It might be, mind, I think it might be the 130 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.639 best movie. We'll get into it, you continue, I don't 131 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:56.680 want to overstep you. 132 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.439 I will, just because like it just feels like this 133 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:05.240 film adds more stakes in like ten minutes and fifteen 134 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:07.839 minutes than like the entirety of the first two films. 135 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.240 The first film obviously it has a notoriety of being 136 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.160 the original. It has it's a new universe. It's fascinating 137 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.399 to explore all these things and everything else. But three 138 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.839 kind of like takes all that and then adds these 139 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:26.279 like wonderful characterizations and gives you these depths of these 140 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.160 characters we don't know much about after the first two films. 141 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.079 Quite honestly, we do like a little bit again too, 142 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.360 but we feel like after this third film, I know 143 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:35.959 these characters much better than I ever thought I was 144 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:36.600 always well. 145 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.920 And it's interesting because they I guess they had come 146 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.879 up

with the idea of this while they were making 147 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:45.959 Men in Black two in two thousand and one, but 148 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.439 they kept running into like they couldn't really break the script. 149 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.160 I mean that went all the way through this production. 150 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.160 Like they Sonefeld said, we we are gonna shoot this 151 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.639 without the second and third acts really figured out and 152 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:04.480 like sit together. And it's funny because ultimately we've talked 153 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.839 about over all three of these movies, they've all had 154 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:14.000 pretty troubled productions, right, Arguably this one was the worst 155 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.800 version of it. They were shooting without a script. Basically, 156 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:21.439 there was a lot of stuff about Sonnenfeld and Will 157 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.560 kind of kno getting along on set at one point. 158 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:25.319 Eventually like that kind of got buried. 159 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.839 Will didn't want to come back because and Will. 160 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.759 Didn't want to come back because of it. Yeah, yeah, 161 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.600 it was like a bunch of stuff happened, But ultimately. 162 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.120 The script thing. I just wanted to interject. The script 163 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.159 thing is also definitely a financial thing of getting tax 164 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.639 credits back if they can get it. In films times 165 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:43.279 like well we got the first act kind of read 166 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.399 let's just throw it and get get something going first. 167 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:47.840 That just ends up making a mocker you a mess 168 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:49.600 out of the finale because it's of course a second 169 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.480 and the third actually written. It changes things and you 170 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.519 have to kind of figure out, oh, well that doesn't 171 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:54.159 work anymore. 172 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.559 But weirdly enough, and I texted you this like at 173 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:01.440 when I finished watching it, like, yeah, you can kind 174 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:04.679 of see the scenes, but I actually don't think it 175 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.240 hurts the movie as much as you might anticipate, because 176 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.080 the movie is a lot more cohesive than it really 177 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.440 should be for having the production that it had, and 178 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:18.919 it honestly actually like this movie makes me love the 179 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.440 first one more because I also think it's the only 180 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:27.759 one of these movies that legitimately is like really emotional 181 00:09:27.840 -->

00:09:30.559 and really character driven in a way that you don't 182 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.399 really anticipate from one of these rights. 183 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.879 That's kind of what I was meaning before the first one. 184 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.000 It's the fascination of the introduction in the world, the 185 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:40.960 characters having fun together. Their camaraderie is on par, but 186 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.279 the characters and the emotional connection to them are not 187 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:48.559 really there until but this one really dives deep and 188 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:53.320 Todmley Jones actually gives one of his best performances, one 189 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:57.000 of those what I call facial performances, like where he 190 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.960 has those things just you watch everything happen on his face, 191 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.919 and he delivers that brilliantly, just moment of like we 192 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.159 are realizing what he is going through and we see 193 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:08.879 it reflectively on his face. 194 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.240 The best version of that in this movie, and I 195 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:16.279 never really caught it quite the same way before tell 196 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.039 this watch because I've seen this movie quite a few 197 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:23.240 times since it's come out. I revisited a lot, actually, 198 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.399 but there's something about the moment in the movie when 199 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:33.480 he is about to be taken out like in the past, 200 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.720 and he's going to disappear. So there's a moment really 201 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.720 similar to Men in Black two where he's in his 202 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.240 apartment and it opens in the back and it's got 203 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.320 the room with all the guns, and so he grabs 204 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.519 the gun and when he sits in the chair, the 205 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:49.399 shot lingers longer than I think I ever realized. And 206 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.360 I was watching his face and he go like he 207 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.320 gets the gun and he's waiting for it, and then 208 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.360 there's a moment that crosses his face and I'm getting 209 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:02.639 hills thinking about it, where he full on like instead 210 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.840 of being the strong, stoke version of k he gets scared. 211 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.039 You see it flash across his face. He gets scared, 212 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.039 he gets worried, he holds the gun closer, and then 213 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.480 he gets zapped out of time when he realizes what's happening, 214 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:17.200 and it's wild. 215 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.879 It is exactly what you're saying, it isn't. I feel 216 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:21.519 the

same way, And I had the same moment towards 217 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.440 the end, when like we we finally know what happened 218 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.240 back then and what entitled and like it just you 219 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.519 don't see a film get a chance to really like 220 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:38.240 retroactively explain the origin story without it like feeling like 221 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.639 it's we're forcing this on you. Like right, felt this 222 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.519 felt like this is not Spider Been three, where were 223 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:49.440 all of a sudden sand Ban was enjoyed, Like this is 224 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:54.399 like explaining Tommy le Jones's character over the past three 225 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:59.200 films and we're like, oh, I didn't understand. I didn't 226 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.440 know how much I need to know. You don't need 227 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.799 to know, like you get one until you see you 228 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.120 get the relationship. You understand it to a degree, but 229 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.480 you don't understand the depth of it, and you're like, oh, 230 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.679 everything now, just it changed your view on everything you've 231 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.759 seen before, and it just changes. Retroacting making makes everything 232 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.600 even better because you get to see that develop and 233 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.759 you get to see that come through, and it is 234 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.519 a phenomenal piece of work. I got and get exactly 235 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.559 what you said before. It's like, it's amazing that out 236 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:31.320 of this trouble production, out of there's like batchit trouble production, 237 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:37.240 that the best emotional context comes from it. Yeah, yeah, 238 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.600 I don't have much. I honestly always looking through I 239 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.679 had very little complaints. My only complaints where again, I 240 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.159 did see some of that seems find it and bothering, like, 241 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:47.559 but I did see means and this one you might 242 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:49.279 not agree with it, and it's fine. I get it. 243 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:51.559 I will say I do every once in a while, 244 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:56.399 get this hint of instead of Will Smith playing Jay, 245 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.279 Will Smith is kind of the point in his career 246 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.559 where Will Smith is playing Will Smith playing j. 247 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:05.799 I think there's some truth to that, but I also 248 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:10.480 think that it's also I kind of I weirdly enough 249 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.080 also chalk it up to this is Jay so many 250 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.440 years later that he's also kind of grown into just 251

00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:21.000 being who he is, and like there's definitely the tension 252 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.360 with him and k So I feel like he's almost 253 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.399 acting out, like right, you know what I mean, Like 254 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.559 he's acting out like a child. 255 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:30.000 I do. 256 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.519 So I think that's me being more head Kennedy than not. 257 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:36.960 Maybe you try to explain it in your head. I get, yeah, 258 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.039 taking that all the time too. I sometimes I just 259 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.080 feel like I'm like, because I know Will Smith is older, 260 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.120 I'm more sure now and he's not nineties Will Smith, 261 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:46.759 and he's gotta be. But that's what Jay is. He 262 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.679 was always Will Smith that way. So now like you 263 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:53.000 see him doing that sometimes it feels like, God, you're 264 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.039 you're kind of faking that a little bit, aren't you know? 265 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.399 At this point, does it bother me completely? No? But 266 00:13:58.399 --> 00:13:59.799 it does, Like every once in a while, I kind 267 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.039 of get that sense of age, whereas time ely Jones. 268 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:03.879 I mean, I got no offense of time when the Jones. 269 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:05.039 But he was old in the first one. 270 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:05.679 He was old. 271 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:06.840 The first one. 272 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.320 Always looked old. That's the thing that he's looked old 273 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:09.759 for so. 274 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.799 Long, and he felt that same kind of crotchy old thing. 275 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.000 So like he kind of he sits familiarly and comfortably 276 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.440 in that, whereas Will wasn't as comfortable trying to be 277 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.679 the youthful, energetic jay that he is. I mean, he does, 278 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.320 he still does a great job. I mean, I'm not 279 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.120 gonna I'm not gonna say anything bad against him, per se. 280 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:29.639 I just every once in a while I kind of like, 281 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:31.519 so he caught the seams a little bit, I can't 282 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.919 I get the seams a little bit, Like, Okay, you're 283 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:40.039 you're trying a little bit. But overall, beyond those two things, man, 284 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.039 this is just a good film that it takes a 285 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:43.639 lot of gives you a lot of new things. There's 286 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.159 a lot of like, but things like that we don't 287 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.320 get a lot of like looking back like we did before. 288 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.480 There's no that the dog. There's no dog. There is 289 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.799 ripped Horns gone at this point obviously have a celebration 290 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.039 of Horn's character and everything else. There's a lot of 291 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:02.799 new in this film, and because of that, it feels 292 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.519 new still, and I think that helps the film out 293 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.919 of it because it got that fascination and the idea of, oh, well, 294 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.000 who's this person now? Who Emma Thompson's in this Oh 295 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:14.120 she fits into very well because she is the kind 296 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:18.679 of actor. She's a brilliant, like award winning actress who 297 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:22.279 doesn't give a fucket. They have to be silly, and 298 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.039 that's the best kind of actor like they can be. 299 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.320 Like she does the whole thing at the eulogy and 300 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:31.360 everything else. That's an academul Like that's a a too, 301 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:36.480 And she's like being as silly and and but serious 302 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.000 as far as the world goes. And that's the important thing. 303 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.960 Allow dares up to be to be silly and everything else. 304 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:43.720 And that's the kind of thing that makes the film working. Yes, 305 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:45.480 you're absolutely right. She she's wonderful in this. 306 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.919 No, I actually think she's such a great addition, and 307 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.600 I like that she's so different than Zed, but also 308 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.200 she fits the mold of this world because she's an 309 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.399 incredible actress and she can do anything, you know. 310 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:01.480 Mm hmmmm. I love it, love this so much speaking 311 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:03.240 of a great addition of my Throne, and they're just 312 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.759 the same thing in there. I want a spinoff. I know, canonically, 313 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:09.679 I don't think it can work after it's been in 314 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.399 Black two. I want to spin off of Will Arnett 315 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:18.320 and Patrick triple A and Patrick Warburn from two. Yes, 316 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.639 a great You. 317 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.600 Know what's so funny about this? I agree with you 318 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.720 number one. I want that so badly. But one of 319 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.480 the things I really like about this movie in particular 320 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:36.320 is it feels a lot like when you watch the 321 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.720 Star Wars prequels and you get to Revenge the Sith 322 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:43.679 and you realize that that movie is the movie that 323 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.519 when George Lucas fully

has the kind of money he 324 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:50.000 wants to make to make a Star Warbie, this is 325 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.360 the kind of movie he can make. Men in Black 326 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.759 three has easily the most money of the three of 327 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.559 these films and World is the most full and lived 328 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.840 in and realized of the three films, and I think 329 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.359 that that is so cool. Like the first one is 330 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:10.720 amazing for what it is already, right, but like Rick 331 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.680 Baker came back to do all the makeup work and stuff, 332 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.839 and it's with this budget in twenty twelve, and like 333 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.680 he really leaned in on the alien effects in the sixties. 334 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.279 They really lean in the world of how everything is 335 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:28.319 and it feels so cool. And it doesn't stop being 336 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.960 weird either, And I think that that's the thing I 337 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.480 like the most is that it keeps the weirdness that 338 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:38.440 Sonenfeld had become so like known for and it doesn't 339 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:40.599 try to shy away from it. For how expensive the 340 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:45.480 movie was, Like there's definitely more action, it's still also 341 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:51.319 bizarre and strange and like there's odd creatures all around 342 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.640 and like kind of weird lines where you're like, I'm 343 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.200 sorry that what like And Boris the Animal is a 344 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.440 perfect example of that. What a weird villain with a 345 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:03.279 weird design bars, it's just Boris And I love I 346 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.440 love this character and it's because Jamaine Clement is so 347 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:07.960 good in it. 348 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:13.200 He is perfect for this franchise. This franchise just binds 349 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:18.880 the way to just bind actors who perfectly fit the 350 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.519 vibe of the universe. It's it's it's unmatched that so 351 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.960 far in the first three films, And Jamaine Clement is 352 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.640 like the perfect villain for this story and for this franchise. 353 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.599 I have one hundred percent on board with that. I 354 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.880 agree that, like, you couldn't have anybody more perfectly studio 355 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.640 than Jamaine Clement. He fits the role perfectly and is 356 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.759 so fun and so so intimidating at times, Like he's 357 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.599 the perfect that balance of like he's the proper villain. 358 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:46.839 Unlike Men of Black two, which I

think kind of like. 359 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.880 We talked about, the villain doesn't really work. 360 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.319 This one works, but he's also fun at the same time. 361 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:53.759 It's it's our balance I have. 362 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:58.240 And it's funny because I was watching it, all I 363 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:03.119 could think is this is the right version of and 364 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:04.880 you alluded to this, you brought it up, But it's 365 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:06.480 the right version of finding a way to tell a 366 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.279 prequel story that doesn't feel heavy handed. It doesn't feel 367 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:13.039 like we're changing things right right like and we're not 368 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.160 over explaining things because we're not seeing how k becomes 369 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:23.839 k we're meeting k as kre. 370 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.000 Like you're standing wise, right, Hey, we don't see it, like, 371 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:27.680 we don't have to, we don't have to have explained 372 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.559 to us. We just we just have a better understanding 373 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:31.240 of him now. 374 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.799 Because we already learned some of that about him, right, 375 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.920 Like we learned in the first how he became a 376 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:41.079 men in black. But we aren't going back to that 377 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.640 moment to over explain it. We're doing a different story 378 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.319 that is tied into his past. And I think it 379 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:51.559 works really well in the fact that it's a character 380 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.440 we already like. And again I really think it comes 381 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.599 also down to Berlin, Like the writing's already good. It works, 382 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.920 but it's because Brolin's also so game to be in 383 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:06.319 the movie in his like he has the same exact 384 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:11.400 hemetry with Will Smith that Will Smith has with Tommy 385 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:12.680 Lee Jones, and that. 386 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.799 He feels like the young version of Tommily Jones. I 387 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:19.200 know that's what he's playing. But like a lot of 388 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.279 times that happens, there's a there's a disconnect between the 389 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.400 actors probably happens all the time, this legitimately feels like, no, 390 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.519 they literally just stepped back and got a younger Tommily 391 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.960 Jones just happened to just blin and I agree with you. 392 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:36.160 I think if Brolin was if this was Mark Wahlberg, 393 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:37.920 I don't think this film works at all. 394 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.240 It doesn't work because I think he wouldn't play it 395 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:44.680 the same way. I think he'd make it a joke, 396 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:50.079 whereas Brolin didn't. Brolan understood the same thing that Sonenfeld 397 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.960 understood when he casked Tommy Lee Jones to begin with, 398 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:55.799 you need to play it straight. You need to be 399 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:58.240 not winking at the camera. You need to just play 400 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:02.200 it like you're playing a serious role because it'll be funnier. 401 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.720 Which Tommy Jones struggled with that at first when he 402 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.119 hears Original and Black film and very I explained it 403 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:10.480 to him and he's like, no, you gotta understand this 404 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:12.880 is what makes it funny. And Josh does. I don't 405 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:14.680 know if Josh had to have the same conversation, but 406 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.079 Josh either he had the same conversation or he just 407 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.160 understood it innately because he just plays it extremely seriously, 408 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:25.680 extremely that on. But but it's all like it just 409 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:30.599 fits perfectly. And Josh is like one of my favorite 410 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.000 actors in general, and he fits. He also fits the 411 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.480 idea of like his his He is that naturally kind 412 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.160 of gruff crotchety. 413 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:46.880 Yes, is not that, you know what's funny. And I 414 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:51.200 was thinking about this after I was watching it, and 415 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:54.079 I mean, I guess this is more a conversation also 416 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:57.480 about International in general. But I actually think that they 417 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.799 missed the mark on what they should have done to 418 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.119 span the franchise. I actually would have done like Men 419 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.640 in Black seventy four instead of doing International, and I 420 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.640 would have just brought Brolin back and I would have 421 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.240 done one like Set in the seventies, keep doing the 422 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:16.359 world expanded out. You can bring back his character, his 423 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.400 partner from the first one you see where they finally 424 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.160 meet for the first time. You could have done stuff 425 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.799 like that and also leaned in on like make it 426 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.400 a little more titchy, make it like lean in onto 427 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:27.920 the period of it, like do some crazy stuff with it. 428 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.319 That is exactly right. And I was actually gonna have 429 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.319 that same in

conversation with you because I don't like 430 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.200 Men in Black International. I saw it once, don't remember 431 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.720 it at all, remember not liking it. 432 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.559 Well, we're going to be watching it in two weeks absolutely. 433 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:43.559 I'm looking forward to a rewatch because I just my 434 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.359 initial remembrance was kind of like it was fine, but 435 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:50.200 like it was just forgettable and not anything that it 436 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.440 felt disconnected. Yes, this is the way you actually absolutely 437 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.279 connect it. You have because this film Men Black three 438 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:01.720 does such a great job of actually again connecting the universe. 439 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:03.680 Like I said, you have been a Black one and 440 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.839 then In Black three makes us feel like a universe. Now, 441 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.000 Men of Back two, we both are like, it's fine 442 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:10.079 and whatever, this is the one that makes it work, 443 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:13.079 and you go from there and exactly Will Smith doesn't 444 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:14.480 want to do it anymore. Fine, we don't need Will 445 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.440 Smith's character anymore. And that's almost like and like that's 446 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.279 it feels like such like a wrong thing to say, 447 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.640 but you do it. Seven Men in Black seventy four, 448 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:26.519 Josh Brolin, is that good that you don't need Will 449 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:28.640 Smith and Tomally Jones when you fast forward and try 450 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:30.640 to international and go, we're just gonna placed with two 451 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.359 new people as Chris Smsworth and Tesla Toumon. Chris Smsworth 452 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:39.279 Tessa Thompson, both fun, energetic actors and everything else, but 453 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.160 like you missed the Will Smith and Tomally Jones. But 454 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:43.960 I don't think you do. If you give Men in 455 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.079 Black seventy four, I think you can connected it and 456 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:47.480 go forward with it. I love that idea. 457 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.279 No, I was singing about that a lot because I 458 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.480 also think you could have really leaned in on I 459 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:54.200 would have liked to see how a little bit of 460 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.680 stuff changed after the ending of the movie, because clearly 461 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:00.440 he has changed a bit by the time the movie 462 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.119 is over, like he's singing in this in a way 463 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.400 that he didn't normally. He's smiling at the end, like 464 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.039 you know, so character stuff has changed a bit, but 465 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:10.680 he's still Tommy Lee. 466 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.559 Jones, right, And I had a company to do having 467 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.119 this subtle changes, not the over like hit you over 468 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:17.920 the head with the hammer lay changes. It's kind of 469 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.200 like you'll come back to back to back to the future, 470 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.119 come back and the guy's rich, and it is the difference. 471 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.519 It's like they're not quite the same character. He's changed 472 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.599 a little bit, but it feels. 473 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.000 No, it sure does. And so I was just I 474 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.519 was watching it and I was like, you know, man, 475 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:36.519 and you could have done that. And it's like, I 476 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:43.160 actually quite like Alice Eve, so having her in that 477 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.079 as young Oh on top of it, you could have 478 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.400 really played with that, Like there was a lot that 479 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.640 you could You still could if you really wanted to 480 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.640 eighties Yeah, I was gonna say, And like, honestly, you 481 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:58.599 can still lean in on some of the weirdness of 482 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:02.720 it all make it fun. But there's all these things 483 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:06.759 that you could do. They just don't want to. 484 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:09.920 Well, also, all the film, like this what this film does, 485 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.079 like when they jump back into nineteen sixty nine, like 486 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.319 all of a sudden, you have they introduce a lot 487 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.880 of great characters. You could still play with them, make 488 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:19.799 you still feel connected, like not just Josh Brolin and 489 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.359 als Eve, but you could have like you could have 490 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.000 Bill Hayter against Andy Warhol. 491 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.720 So fun, he's so good in this. 492 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.240 Michael Stolberg is Griffin. I loved his. 493 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.000 I love Griffin. I love Griffin. I think he's such 494 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.319 a fun character and he's so unique. 495 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.359 He almost gets to the almost deserve his own spin off. 496 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.240 Although I'd be afraid, like making me the central character 497 00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.759 would ruin what makes him him. But like having him 498 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:46.240 on there just everyone's mileth is popping up. That's hilarious. 499 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:47.279 I love it. 500 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.599 Well, it's so funny. Because like, what a cool character. 501

00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.400 Number one. Here's the thing about me, and you know this. 502 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.880 I don't know if the people at home listening know this, 503 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.200 but one of the things about me is like I 504 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:00.319 love time travel movies, Like I'm such a sucker for 505 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.680 time travel movies, and so this movie really leans on that, right, 506 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:07.200 But I also love movies about like paradoxes and things 507 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.640 like that. And Griffin is naturally born out of that, 508 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.240 Like he's a character who he sees every version of 509 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.359 a world or an outcome and he has to put 510 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.240 it out there. And it also feels a little bit 511 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.720 like me. Weirdly enough, if you listen to us talk 512 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.160 about it, you guys know I'm on the spectrum. So 513 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.559 my brain works a little different, and I'm a lot 514 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.960 like JD and Scrubs. I overimagine things. I get lost 515 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.079 in daydreams, like my mind works like that. If you've 516 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.440 also been friends with me for a long time, I 517 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:42.200 have a habit of over explaining things because I always 518 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.279 think about a situation in so many angles. You should 519 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.559 see some of the messages I send the ball, and 520 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.759 so Griffin is very much like me, looking at every 521 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.720 situation with every version of an outcome. But here's a 522 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:56.839 dude who's living with it in his brain all the 523 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.960 time because he sees the future, right, which is why 524 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.440 I like the The whole thing with them going and 525 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.200 watching the Mets game is so great because they go 526 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:12.000 to this empty stadium to watch the Mets because he 527 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.359 sees it. And when he shows them, it's such a 528 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:17.799 cool moment. And I love when Jay is like, well 529 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:20.519 this is kind of amazing. He goes it's a huge 530 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.839 pain in the ass, but it was like, yes, like 531 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.839 I understood that. I love it. And Stolberg is so good, right. 532 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.400 He is really like I love Stueberg anyway, but he 533 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.119 just he understands his role. He embodies a role. He 534 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.079 has these facial impressions. Every line I'm waiting from to 535 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:37.319 he's like, you will look at him and waiting for 536 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.920 just to go. He's gonna finish it with oh, unless 537 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.599 this is a time where yeah, yeah yeah he YadA. 538 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.640 Apvs and he's like, yeah, oh, it's great. 539 00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:48.680 Yeah. I love watching him, like because I'm a baseball guy, 540 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.839 so him and the Mets that was a brilliant thing 541 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.559 for me to see. I gotta love Steelberg in this. 542 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:56.480 I love that we end with him. I love we 543 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.359 end with him the whole one. Okay leaves the tips, 544 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.920 like does it leave the tip well? 545 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.119 And it's such a it's such a smart version of 546 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.039 the ending of every one of these movies, right where 547 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.839 we have the like recontextualization of what we see in 548 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.200 the universe and this one's the oh man, is this 549 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:15.720 the one where Kay doesn't tip and we get hit 550 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.519 by an asteroid? Like I loved that, And there's a 551 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.599 long pan out of a comment coming down and then 552 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:25.119 Kay walking back in. It's great, dude, It's so good. 553 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.680 And I just find that every time I watch this 554 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:35.000 movie it feels wildly inventive. I love. And I think 555 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.440 it's because the time travel aspect, and I said it earlier, 556 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.240 it really allowed the movie to just kind of go 557 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.680 off the rails. And Baker did that on purpose. He 558 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:47.839 was like, when we went back to the sixties, the 559 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.440 aliens needed to look like aliens, they needed to be 560 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.440 bug eyed, they needed to be wearing like big old 561 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.039 space helmets on that because it's the era and that's 562 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.440 how people looked at it. So they really like lean 563 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.240 in on that and it really. 564 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.119 Works because that's what always is a good that's a 565 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:06.680 great thing. Why we promo sockers for retro future stuff anyway, 566 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.160 I think, yeah, the same thing, but exactly. I mean 567 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:13.160 like when you play into when a story like this 568 00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.359 plays into the archetypes of the time, they'll kind of 569 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.799 like it's almost silly versions of it, and you say 570 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.759 that this actually is true. There's a reason why people 571 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.559 have these archetypes in their head because they actual legitimately existed.

572 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.759 That always makes it to a fun story. We're like, oh, 573 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.599 explains things out and it makes I also want to 574 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.640 throw out there wildly. Mbdove's a great way to put 575 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.720 this film because exactly what this is exactly what two wasn't. 576 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.480 Two was so tired already after a second film to 577 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.559 be that tired in the franchise, it was like, h 578 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.680 but this one, like it feels like this one feels 579 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.440 energized again and it feels like it's got something to say. 580 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.920 You know, I'm enjoying the ride here in this one. 581 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.519 Yeah, And it feels like weirdly enough with that, like 582 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.720 I know that they had set up front when they 583 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.680 were doing it, it was like they could potentially do 584 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.759 another one, but it really also felt like they knew 585 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.279 that they had so many problems getting these movies made 586 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.240 to begin with, that this was kind of be They 587 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.839 did this to kind of like wrap it up also, 588 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.599 but open endedly, like you never need to make another 589 00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.240 one after this, because it's such an emotional ending in 590 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:22.039 such a like it brings these characters closed together because 591 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.599 the truth of the matter is, I just love this 592 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.480 idea because there's this whole set up at the beginning. 593 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:34.799 You know, this idea that Jay never had his father 594 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.680 around and he really resented that and you never really 595 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.119 understand it, and Tommy Lee Jones's character being like, look, 596 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.440 you know, don't talk about your father. You don't really 597 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:47.839 understand in this idea that Kay was there when it happened, 598 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.559 and this idea, God, dude, like this idea that is. 599 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.880 It turns out in this big, big mission their lives 600 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.440 were already intertwined from when Jay was a kid and 601 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.640 he had no idea. And so it actually goes back 602 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.799 to this moment in the first movie that I love, 603 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:10.720 which is when they're talking about Kay, have you ever 604 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.319 flashy thing me? And he goes no, and he goes, 605 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.200 I ain't playing Kay, have you ever flashy thing me? Before? Now? Granted, 606 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.599 the joke is because it happened earlier in the movie, 607 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.759 right right right to have it recontextualized down the line 608 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.119 that he actually did that when he was a child, 609 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.000 because Jay was there the day that his father was killed. 610 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.079 Even more than that, the whole recontextualization of things works 611 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.920 for me is going back to the first one when 612 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.519 he not does he choose him, but like he choose 613 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.599 Will Smith to be the new partner and he brings 614 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:43.720 me the who whole or testing these a lot of 615 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.839 military people, and Tommy Jones waiting outside the wall the 616 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.559 door and starts walking with him, and you're kind of like, 617 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.000 because in a way that first film it doesn't really 618 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.440 fully make sense at the time, kind of like I 619 00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.519 don't know, I don't aways see what Timingly Jones season 620 00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.319 Will Smith. You're besides the fact that this is the 621 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.799 way the script is read, because he's a special work. 622 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.160 It's fine, you accept your okay, I accepted, move on. 623 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.160 But all of a sudden, now with his dectactuization, it's 624 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.160 like that makes perfect sense. He's been watching him for 625 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.680 a while, he watched me partner because he's part of 626 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.279 that world and everything else, and he feels he owes 627 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.319 his father everything. It just makes everything, It makes everything better. 628 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.680 And it does. And that whole scene when he's talking 629 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.759 to Zed in the first one whereaz Ed's like, you know, 630 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:28.839 he's kind of a loose cannon, like he's got an 631 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.759 attitude problem, and he owes, so did I, And like 632 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.000 you can tell that he's been watching it, like he 633 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.480 and when he's watching the trials play out, you can tell, like, again, 634 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:42.920 maybe it's just a hindsight thing, but like you can 635 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.559 watch it back and it's like it almost feels like 636 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:46.720 it was always planned. 637 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:49.480 Yes, So that that's that's a brilliant point. That's I'm 638 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.160 so glad you said that, because that's why it works 639 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.119 so well. A lot of times, a lot of times 640 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.720 these stories, like I said, they feel forced if you're like,

oh, 641 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.440 we're explaining this, we're creating this false history, this new 642 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.039 history kind of like force into the whole this. Actually, 643 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.400 if you told me that Barry Sonefelder planned this out 644 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.160 of a trilogy or something like that, and like that 645 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.160 this was initiative plan that this would be like and 646 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.079 I think because he puts those like breadcrumbs in there 647 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.960 in the first film that it works so well. Afterwards, 648 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.319 you're like, because they don't completely work in the first 649 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.960 film that you kind of excuse him though, because you 650 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.559 like the film with on the zaniness of it. Yeah, 651 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.319 then you get the therapy and you're like, oh my god, 652 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.319 this totally makes sense now, Holy sh I know it is. 653 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.920 Honestly, it's so good. And I think that credit where 654 00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.079 credits do. Like, I know that these movies have had 655 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.839 like weird productions and like Sonenfeld and Will didn't always 656 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.000 get along, and Tommy Lee Jones and Sonenfeld didn't always 657 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:48.599 get along, but like, Sonenfeld had a much better grasp 658 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.680 on all this than I think people give him credit 659 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.319 for it, especially with this one, because Sony was willing 660 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.200 to fire him and like Sonefeld was going to lawyer 661 00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.200 up and sue them if he didn't come back, and 662 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.359 he finally convinced them. He's like, no, like I have 663 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.079 this vision for it, like I see where we're going. 664 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.000 And again, the movie is so good because of it, 665 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.440 Like I really genuinely believe while I'm watching it that 666 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.199 it like, oh man, you really did think this through, 667 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.840 you really plan this, because it works. It lands, like 668 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.400 every little moment feels right, I am. 669 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.239 I'm so surprised too because of like again, I don't 670 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.840 I don't mean this light Man in Black two, I 671 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.079 really don't mean to like it's easy to do. In hindsight, 672 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.159 it's the same guy did one and three, and it's 673 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.199 like that, what are you doing in two? Because three 674 00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.119 was so perfectly done and so like make how did 675 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:36.599 you do

two? 676 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:37.079 Like that? 677 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.280 I think maybe the production heard at that time. I 678 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:39.960 don't know, but. 679 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.360 Well, I mean, I think there's a lot of truth 680 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.239 to that because they had to redo so much of 681 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.119 the third act. But like also, I just I do 682 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.760 think the second one was born out of the first 683 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.280 was so popular you had to make it right. 684 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.360 They took time with and he kind of like, let yest, 685 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:56.960 Yeah that makes sense, that makes sense. 686 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.800 I guess this took ten years. 687 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.760 Yeah, speaking of like the bread Combs thing too, I 688 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:08.480 will say this film, maybe maybe I'm just naive and 689 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.559 maybe I'm just someone who I'm not someone who tries 690 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.159 to predict things that happen in films. Are trying to 691 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.000 let the story come to me and some people watch 692 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.199 from its like oh I saw us coming in the 693 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:17.920 first act when they did that, Like I try to 694 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.800 not be cynical like that, try not sure that, but 695 00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.239 I think this so maybe this is me. But this 696 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:24.880 film does a great job of that too, because we 697 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.400 have that those scenes in earlier on where Are We 698 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.039 Well Smis's something like what Jay's like, you know, like 699 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.039 my old man, I threw a ball against the wall 700 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.159 kind of as old man. But it didn't feel like 701 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:36.920 it was leading to anything. It just felt like it 702 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.800 was kind of like we're dropping this in normal conversation 703 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.119 about things, and then when you see as follow it on, 704 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:48.079 you're like, Jesus, okay, okay, yes, actually. 705 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.199 I'm like right there with you, oddly enough. And it 706 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.880 was one of those things that I think the movie 707 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.880 does really well because funny and like it's funny when 708 00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:01.000 Michael Culture walks on the screen right right one number one, 709 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.360 yet that is in fact Luke Cage. You may not 710 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.719 know it, Like he looks so different without facial hair, 711 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:06.960 so different. 712 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.360 I want to I st hear real quickly I talked 713 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.039 about beforehand. If you're listening to us on Mecham we 714 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.280 have a Patreon Patreon Accomplis pod Projects not plugging that 715 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.159 for this reason because it's actually part of the story. 716 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.760 But on Patreon. We are doing the MCU rewatch. We 717 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.559 are now, we're about to do Doctor Strings next week. 718 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.079 We were then all the other films before them, and 719 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.360 in between the films, I've been doing this entire series 720 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.000 watching trying to squeeze in, like all this series and 721 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.800 everything else and the Netflix series are are still like 722 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.599 part of it now now retroractically dared devil Bourn again. Yaha, 723 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.039 yah YadA. Anyway, well I was sorry, sure the second 724 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.559 time coincidentally has happened like I like, I was actually 725 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.800 watching Luke Cage this week when I paused it to 726 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.280 watch The Black Three. This happened all the time, Like 727 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.639 it feels weird, like I can't believe watching Blue Cage 728 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.559 and then Luke's history like this, like what Quin's great, 729 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.559 But you're right, it doesn't look at all like it. 730 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.480 I'm watching Luke Cage and it was like kind of 731 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.159 like he looks from the sounds from there, Oh my god, 732 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:02.960 that's Lucage. 733 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:05.239 Yeah. It was one of those I think it was 734 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.119 my last rewatch where I find where I really realized 735 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:09.440 it was him, and I was like, oh my god, 736 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.239 that's so funny. But like they very smartly don't tell 737 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:18.440 us who he is up front either right right, and 738 00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.079 you're just watching it in like the reveal at the 739 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.679 end when he is his father is so good, Like 740 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.280 it's dude, it's so good. And on one of the 741 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.079 things we really haven't talked about a lot is I 742 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.920 also think that the movie has got this like very 743 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.800 fun concept of time travel, and I like the way 744 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.599 that it's built into the first and third acts, in 745 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.360 the way that it's used, and it allows for us 746 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.880 to get like these extra heroic moments for all these characters. 747 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:54.320 And when Boris dies in Stolberg's character, Griff had already 748 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.760 said that you know, where

there's death, there will always 749 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.519 be death, and so when he died, you just chalk 750 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:02.199 it up to that. 751 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:03.880 Yeah. 752 00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:08.800 And so when it goes to the extra step too, well, actually, 753 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.960 you know James Daryl Edwards the second his father is 754 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.800 also the one who has to die. It really it's 755 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:25.159 like god damn dude, yeah, and it works and it's 756 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.360 emotional and like when you hear young you know, Jay 757 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.679 get out of the car right and and you know 758 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.960 the look on Kay's face when he realizes all of this, 759 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.960 and like, god, dude, it's so powerful and it's so 760 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.960 good and it again, maybe maybe I'm over romanticizing this, 761 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:51.719 but like I love these movies anyway. And you know, 762 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:53.880 the thing is is like the first one, they all 763 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:55.599 set up that you're never gonna have this life, no 764 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.559 one's going to know you existed. It's this whole thing. 765 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.360 And the second one he's already lonely because he's lost 766 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.079 his partner. He can't be with anyone. It's like it's 767 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.519 supposed to be this idea that he can't even really 768 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:10.480 have a love story, right, and then this third one 769 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:16.440 recontextualizes all of it. It's like, even though he lost 770 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.280 his father he couldn't be with anyone. Klways looked out 771 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.960 for him and was always there in the background, and 772 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.719 he always had this he always knew that was gonna 773 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.199 be what it was. And like this whole thing is 774 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.800 it ended up being true, is that he was protected 775 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.480 and he had no idea and someone really did love him. 776 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.199 And you're like, fuck, dude, are you kidding me? 777 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.519 Oh, it's powerful stuff, man, it works. It just works, 778 00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.880 which is why I think like they could have done 779 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.440 on and had another Will Smith and timing the Jones. 780 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:45.840 Movie after this. 781 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.079 They could have, but I don't feel like I feel 782 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.719 like it has that perfect ending here that we don't 783 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.079 need to see anymore, because like what else is like 784 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.559 i'd be I feel like it'd be another episodic thing, 785 00:39:55.719

--> 00:39:58.760 and like that's not bad, but like I just feel 786 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.960 like this is the perfect ending for which is why 787 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.079 I love The Men in Black. Like seventy four or 788 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.679 eighty four, Yeah, that'd be great. I mean you could 789 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.199 still do it, like you would have Will Smith come 790 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.440 back more, Like we talked about a legacy sequel now 791 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.679 potentially and like maybe tom Tommy Joon is obviously too 792 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.360 old to be in the field now and be Tommy 793 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:18.559 Jones and like the Z Rule or the you know, 794 00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:22.440 the old or whatever. Potentially that could work. But if 795 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.800 we never get Will Smith and Tommy Jones back on again, 796 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.119 like I think we do have a perfect ending for 797 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:27.679 this series. 798 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.400 No, and it feels it right, like it really does. 799 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.039 And I think that's why I look so fondly at 800 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.360 this movie too, because maybe it's this is a little 801 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.800 cynical of me, and I'm not usually a cynical person, 802 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.639 but like so frequently now we get that we're getting 803 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.440 these big movies that are saying you know, these are 804 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.639 the last chapters of these stories of these characters, of 805 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.519 these moments, and then it turns around and they're like, yeah, 806 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:56.960 but we're also going to make another one. Like, honestly, 807 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.519 I think Jurassic World really really broke me on that, 808 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.639 Like I knew. I knew because Dominion made a billion 809 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.840 dollars they were going to make one. Like I can't 810 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.599 pretend I didn't know that was gonna happen, But like 811 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.880 that's such cynical garbage at the same time, right right, 812 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.400 like absolutely it sucks. And honestly, like we're kind of 813 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.119 seeing it with Risa Walker though granted with that, like 814 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.559 they're also doing it because Rise of Skywalker was not 815 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.960 super gloved by everything, and so they right out that 816 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.119 way it does. And like I'm not saying that Ray 817 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.119 shouldn't get another shot as a character, because I love 818 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.280 the character. And actually I think that the three of them, 819 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.079 if they're smart and they do it right, I actually 820 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.079 think it would be good to have a trilogy with 821 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.800 those characters again. Anyway, it's the one thing that I 822 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.320 think we really missed out with with the original Star 823 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.280 Wars cast, Like it sucks that we never really got 824 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.360 to see han Luke and leg again after Return of 825 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.039 the Jack together, but I'm not. I also don't blame 826 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.079 the new trilogy for that, Like that's not on them, 827 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.559 like they were they'd already aged out of being like 828 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.880 the young swashbuckleeen heroes. Like another generation gets to do that. 829 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:12.639 That's just reality. So this movie very uncynically doesn't do that. 830 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.480 Like it didn't. It was not promoted as like the 831 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:18.559 big final chapter or anything like that, Like they made 832 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:22.119 a film. They gave us the film, and it kind 833 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.639 of is like the final note in some capacity. 834 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:31.199 Without that way. Yeah, right, that just happens to be. 835 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.039 Right, And I kind of think that that's like, Look, 836 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.280 what is my favorite franchise probably in the world at 837 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.960 this point, Like we all know it's Indiana Jones And 838 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.800 how what is the name of the last of the 839 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.119 third movie, the Last Crusade? He literally rides off into 840 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:53.000 the sunset, and yet we still manage to get two more, right, Yeah, Yeah, 841 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.920 this movie just kind of does its own thing and 842 00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.119 just ends. And it wasn't hyped up to be that, 843 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.440 And I really appreciate that because when you're watching it, 844 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.800 it weirdly feels like a warm blanket of comfort and 845 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.239 nostalgia in a way that ends on such a happy 846 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.159 note that you're like, man, they never have to do 847 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.719 another no, because it also goes full circle. 848 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.679 Yeah, and they do. And I think that might be 849 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.519 retroactively thinking, like I'm thinking like that might be one 850 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.639 of the reasons why I felt even more disconnected with 851 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.440 International than I watched it the first time through. Again, 852 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.280 I'm opening open mind. I want to watch it again 853 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.400 and see maybe hell, honestly, maybe a second view will 854 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.280 improve that because I

don't have that initial disappointment, that 855 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.360 initial disconnect on it. I might kind of go in 856 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.039 knowing what I'm expecting. I might appreciate a bit more Hopefullyah. 857 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.440 Yeah, I mean I'm hoping so too, because it's been 858 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.599 a little bit since I've seen it. I don't I 859 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.360 think I've only seen it once since theaters in six years. 860 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.639 It's just not a movie I go back to very 861 00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.119 frequently in like weirdly and we'll probably talk about it. 862 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.199 But I have this like lingering thought that I feel 863 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:05.880 like it feels almost direct video, and also that I 864 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.039 say that this movie might have had the most troubled production, 865 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.159 but like that, like, let's let's call it what it is. 866 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.679 National easily had the worst production of the bunch of 867 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:18.719 these movies. So I do think that that movie, if 868 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.320 I'm remembering correctly, I could see the seams and it 869 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:28.199 was really hard for me to like really look past that. Right. Yeah, 870 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.039 so we'll see. I mean, I'm excited to watch it 871 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.559 in some capacity just because it's been so so so 872 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.679 long since I've seen it. One thing that we kind 873 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.559 of touched on too is I love Bill Hayter in 874 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.920 this And one thing this movie does great is I 875 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.360 actually think the supporting cast is really good across the board. 876 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.280 We've talked about Stolberg, We've talked about Clement, but like 877 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.199 Thompson's there, Yeah, Emma Thompson, but like Hater as Andy Warhol, 878 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.159 who is also actually revealed to be a Men and 879 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.360 Black agent, is one of those Like it's good and 880 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.039 it's so silly, but it's so fitting for this world. 881 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.719 Yes, I love it when he jumps back into Warhol, 882 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.920 like I forget exactly why it is having the meeting 883 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.719 also has to be back in war I'm. 884 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.000 Taking the video of this man eating a hot dog. 885 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:16.280 It's so good. 886 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.440 You're actually right, Nicole. Nicole Scherzinger has that moment with 887 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.079 as Bori's girlfriend. Yeah, there you is, mister Woo, the 888 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:27.719 alien New Ones, the Chinese restaurant, phenomenal piece of work. 889 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.400 There, and Michael Chernis, who is one of those dudes 890 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.480 who just pops up in things, uh being. Yeah, and 891 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.440 he's the guy who gives him the time travel device. 892 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.000 I love him. He's so fun and I love the 893 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.599 You're You're. He couldn't have been a bit uh more 894 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.039 than a small blip on the history of the world. 895 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.840 And then Jay grabs it and turns him. Oh, big blip, 896 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:56.320 big blip. I think he's so good in this and 897 00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.719 it actually I never noticed that you actually do see 898 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:01.639 his at the beginning of the movie. This was the 899 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.599 first time I for what reason, I never noticed that 900 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.800 that's who Boris kills in the prisons. 901 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:08.039 Yeah, yep, yep. 902 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.400 Yeah, And I just thought that was so interesting. 903 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:15.000 Yeah, the film knows what it's doing. I mean, that's 904 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.559 that's the important Like the film just knows is not 905 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:20.440 anything is in there just because it all kind of 906 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.760 feels it all kind of has a meaning behind it 907 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.320 for various reasons. But yeah, and the cast is part 908 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:27.440 of that. That's just phenomenal. 909 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.119 Yeah, I mean it is. I think this this movie 910 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:36.760 has arguably the best support cast, and it's the one 911 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.599 with the biggest support cast, which is funny because most 912 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.840 of these movies have such a small cast comparatively. And 913 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.920 it's really interesting because we also don't get back to 914 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.719 like we don't see Jack Jeeves this time, and you 915 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.280 could have been so easy to have him show, right. 916 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.519 We see pictures of Frank, but we don't see Frank 917 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.840 the pug. Actually. I love when he goes when he's 918 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.960 I mean to Coney Island and he gets stopped by 919 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.760 the cops and if you look on the billboard behind him, 920 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.679 it has the talking pug. Is one of the things 921 00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.159 that Coney Island. I love that. I think it's really fantastic. 922 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:18.679 I honestly think that that was a legitimate choice. The 923 00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.599 characters in there, like they decided like it could have 924 00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.199 gotten Tony Hulu back, It could have got I don't 925

00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.079 know who her voices Frank. I could have gotten them 926 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.480 back and had them in there making appearance. But those 927 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.519 characters would have felt at this point for this particular film, 928 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.639 it would have felt not necessary. It's like they're throwing 929 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:37.559 it in there just because at this point we don't 930 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.599 need them in there, because they don't put that story. Instead, 931 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.639 we get Instead, we get these more fun new characters 932 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:44.679 which make it worth it. 933 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.320 At this point, characters again that I would have liked 934 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:52.840 to see more of, honestly, and I really appreciate that 935 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.519 they also lean in on some of the era jokes. 936 00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.800 When Will Smith character gets pulled over by the cops 937 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.079 for stealing the car, and it's so fun, and I 938 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.039 just love the moment where he's like, what you just 939 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:10.639 see a black man in a car and you think 940 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.840 he stole it? And he goes, Okay, well I. 941 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.840 Did because I'm black, because I'm black. 942 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.360 He's one of my favorite lines in the INIR franchise, 943 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.480 and he delivers it so well. 944 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.079 That's what he say. It's the delivery on it, because 945 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.199 he has that moment that man, I did steal this one, 946 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.559 didn't I? Well, yeah, you anyway. 947 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.599 It's so good. I mean there's a lot of those 948 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.440 throughout the movie, Like there's the when he's trying to 949 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:40.039 lie to Kay when after he's been tased. Yeah, he 950 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.599 does the oh, oh you know all I call all 951 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.559 the all the women. Oh so then when I see 952 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:51.800 a couple go by. I go, okay, it's it's so silly, 953 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.039 it's so dumb, but it makes me laugh. And again, 954 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.280 I think that there is truth to what you said 955 00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.800 about Yeah, maybe Will is playing a little bit more Will. 956 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.920 But I do also think that there's an immaturity to 957 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.960 the character that has come to light because I think 958 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.559 he just felt kind of alone and I thought that 959 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.079 was so interesting to be played up. And so when 960 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:16.639 you see him being the way he is with him 961 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:18.880 once

they're in the season, it all kind of clicks 962 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:19.800 and makes more sense. 963 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.639 It might be why I forgive it and I see 964 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.159 this sounds but it still works because of the character. 965 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:29.239 Like it's not like so diversified and diverge from the 966 00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:33.440 character that it tanks it or anything else that works. 967 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.159 No, And I really, I really appreciate it for that, 968 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.519 Like this is a good fucking movie. Man. I think 969 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.360 it gets really lost in the conversation and I don't 970 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.559 I really don't know why that is. 971 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.000 I think a lot of people didn't see it after two. 972 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.199 I think that two came and went, and two came 973 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.719 and win and it wasn't I mean, it was okay received, 974 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.239 but then I'll you wait ten years and you lost 975 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.960 more audience and it just didn't do enough like to 976 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.760 kind of get back on the zeitgeist that I think 977 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.440 a lot of people just haven't seen it. I think 978 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.000 a lot of people were like me who just like 979 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.039 didn't watch it when it came out, and I was like, Okay, 980 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.599 it's another men in Black, like Men in Black two 981 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:12.960 was another man in Black who was already was already tired, 982 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.079 and two, how is three gonna be? And then you 983 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.440 go back and like, oh, I was wrong. They actually 984 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.440 put their part this one. This is this is really 985 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:20.000 well done. 986 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:21.519 It's really well done. 987 00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.000 I did well. 988 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.440 With it, yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that's 989 00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.880 why I've been always like shouting from the rooftops how 990 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.559 good I think it is. And one of those things 991 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.960 that really also does really make it stand out is 992 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.199 I think the action beats in this movie are awesome 993 00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.679 comparative to the first two by quite a bit. And 994 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.760 that's not a dig at all, but it's it's shocking 995 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.639 how far some of it has come. There's some just 996 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:51.719 really great action beats in little moments that really think 997 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.559 and they don't feel derivative of the first which I 998 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:58.559 really like it feels like it's doing

its own thing. 999 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.159 I agree, and I think that's part of the retro 1000 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.400 future thing that works. Why the retro future thing works 1001 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.559 for me as well, because everything feels new and innovative again, Like, 1002 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.519 even though it's funny, because I get you're saying retro future, 1003 00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:12.679 We've seen all these crazy buggy aliens and stuff a 1004 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:16.000 four in different movies, but in this context, we haven't. 1005 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.360 And it feels so different than the other than the 1006 00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:21.000 first two films in a way, it does feel elaborate 1007 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:21.639 and new again. 1008 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.599 No, it sure does, and I think the more that 1009 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:26.639 I revisit it, the more I see it that way. 1010 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.480 And I think that's why I've fallen in love with 1011 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.079 it so hard. And I know that it like it's 1012 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.800 easy to slack these movies, but this movie deserves more 1013 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.360 than it gets, I think, which is why sitting here 1014 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.320 and like just kind of waxing poetic about it again, 1015 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.360 I know it almost sounds like I could be overselling it, 1016 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.000 but like this, I genuinely fucking love this movie. I 1017 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.840 went to see it opening day. I was living in 1018 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.079 Anaheim at the time, and I remember going three d 1019 00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:03.239 Imax at Downtown Disney and just like watching it and going, wow, 1020 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.000 this is so much better than I ever thought it 1021 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.079 would have been, and like being so wrapped up in it, 1022 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.199 And again, I do think that there's something to be 1023 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.199 said about It's a thing we've talked about with the 1024 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.760 Ghostbusters versus Men and Black of You and I at 1025 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.199 age as and look again, Ghostbusters in my top ten 1026 00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:21.960 movies of all time. I'm not gonna pretend that it's not. 1027 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.320 But like Will Sith and Tommy Lee Jones Men in 1028 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.679 Black nineteen ninety seven, I was seven years old. It 1029 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.679 had such a specific impact on me and has become 1030 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.760 such a like moment in time movie and arguably part 1031 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.079 of who I am as a core human. As weird 1032 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.239 as that is so for Men in Black three to 1033 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.599 wrap around and I'm now twenty two, right, like what

1034 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.559 a weird time, and for it to be such an 1035 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.119 emotional film, to be something that really kind of ties 1036 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.800 everything together. It hit me at the right time, at 1037 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.719 the right place, at the right moment, and I have 1038 00:52:52.840 --> 00:53:00.480 loved it ever since, just like the first Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1039 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.559 I think I really appreciate that. 1040 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.679 Great. Great, I would decide, I understand what you're saying, 1041 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.119 because for me, we have this conversation. This wasn't a 1042 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:15.960 franchise for me. Ghostbusters was this for me. That's which 1043 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.760 is why I love the packtge acrossing these over right 1044 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:19.960 Ghostbusters like what I was at that age A Ghostbusters 1045 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.800 came out, Men in Black came out, and when I 1046 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:23.400 was in college the end of college, and I kind 1047 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.320 of was going into new life and everything else, and 1048 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.320 I enjoyed it for what it was. But Men in 1049 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.119 Black two came out, like I got to ruin it 1050 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.079 for me, so I didn't have that same kind of 1051 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.800 fascination excitement. Men in Black three came out, but I 1052 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.400 feel pissed off of myself or is for not going 1053 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.920 back to watch it no at this point. So it's 1054 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.639 one of those kind of weird like I haint I'm 1055 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.320 mad at myself, but I understand that that's what happens 1056 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:49.440 with film and with life at some points, like when 1057 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.719 things happened, if they don't coincide with the right time 1058 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.679 in your life, you do miss stuff. But luckily I 1059 00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:56.920 have been able to rectify that problem. 1060 00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.119 Yeah, I'm glad you have. And I think that this 1061 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.599 movie also really they do a good job of being 1062 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.679 like Jay is still in the shadows on certain things. 1063 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.280 I love that he doesn't know that time travel exists, 1064 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.239 and this whole when Oh happy to explain to him 1065 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:14.960 that he's been part of a temporal rift and he 1066 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.760 keeps being like, there's no such thing as time travel. 1067 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.679 I am the senior agent here. I would know if 1068 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.920 time travel exists, and and she's like. 1069 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:23.000 M. 1070 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.800 I think that's so so funny. And that, dude the 1071 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.000 line because when the if you're in the middle of 1072 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.239 an event, when that happens and you know it, you 1073 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.239 crave chocolate milk. And I love that as like a thing. 1074 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.519 And so when the guy he tells the one guy, 1075 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:41.880 he's like, get me a big glass of chocolate milk. 1076 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.039 The guy finally shows back up and he goes, man, 1077 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.119 where you've been? I asked for this for like an. 1078 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.480 Hour ago, hour ago. 1079 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.559 I laugh every time though. It's just so silly, and 1080 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.800 I god, dude, like. 1081 00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:55.880 This actually makes the time. When he goes to get 1082 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.719 he takes the chocolate milk from the baby, Yeah, you're 1083 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:00.800 kind of like, wait, what is what is? I don't 1084 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.280 get then, like when you hear later iron like, okay, 1085 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.519 that's retroactually kind. 1086 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.559 Of funny, damn it it's not the tick. Damn it, 1087 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.599 it's not the tick. There's something worse than the tick. 1088 00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:15.280 I just I don't know, man. I think this movie 1089 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.440 is funny, it's quotable, it's got such a great cast, 1090 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.960 and I think it's just a smart wrap up film 1091 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:26.199 without needing to be one. Like, it's not beating you 1092 00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:27.920 over over the head that this is going to be 1093 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.639 the last movie. It just kind of is, and it 1094 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:33.679 does it on its own, and it's such a good 1095 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:37.400 note for this series to end on, specifically this trilogy. 1096 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.679 I agree, I agree. I mean it was tough. You 1097 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.760 mentioned Star Wars before. It is tougher because man, Black 1098 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:44.360 was never that kind of size as a. 1099 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:45.760 French No, definitely not. 1100 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.719 So when it builds up to that, I mean, I 1101 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:49.880 love that trailer for a Skywalker verything else, that big 1102 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.239 emotional like orchestral thing. 1103 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.440 And it's playing off the Phantom Mens teaser. 1104 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.760 Yeah, absolutely, it's perfect that way. So you don't have 1105 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.159 that build up, and when you watch that, you do 1106 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.519 have the statism do you have been a Blackbird? You 1107

00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:07.159 do have that satisfaction of yeah, we don't need anymore, 1108 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.679 we're good at this time. If they did go on 1109 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:12.679 we'd watch it and it could be not saying it 1110 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.239 couldn't be good, but there is just a sense of 1111 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:18.360 comfortability of like they nailed this ending. 1112 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:25.920 Yeah, it's just so good. I like the third act 1113 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.239 a lot. Also, I like it being set at the 1114 00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.519 Apollo Mission. I think that's a great tie to like 1115 00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:33.880 real world events, kind of similar to the first one 1116 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.159 of why did why are the flying saucers you know 1117 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.480 near met Stadium? Oh? Well, that's because you know, we 1118 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:43.760 built it for that. So I love that. I love 1119 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:47.400 the idea that the Apollo Mission is why the art 1120 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.719 net was put around the world to protect us from 1121 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:55.679 the Bogladyites. Like, I love all of that. It's it's 1122 00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.280 a smart movie, man. More. I think it's a smarter 1123 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.559 movie than people give it credit for. I think it 1124 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.840 just really fits the things that I like about going 1125 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.360 to the movies. It's it's that fun for me. 1126 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.039 Yeah, I agree, that's the this Again, again, I keep 1127 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.239 harping on Men in Black two. This has the fun 1128 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.920 that Men in Black two didn't have for me. 1129 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.800 Yeah, and again I think that the them taking their 1130 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.840 time to do it really matters, And I'm glad that 1131 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.760 it doesn't shy away from being a little weird. Like 1132 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.599 the whole opening sequence with them at the Chinese restaurant 1133 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.559 is full of like weird characters and creatures. And it's 1134 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.840 really great. It's really fun. Uh your piece of shit 1135 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:36.639 woo makes me laugh every single time. 1136 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:38.440 Uh, how angry. 1137 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:44.280 Yes, it's just so good. It's just this look. I 1138 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.519 keep saying it. It's good. This is a good movie. 1139 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.519 It's actually, i'd argue it's it's a great movie. It's 1140 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.760 one that if you've never seen it, or you watched 1141 00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:55.800 it and you don't really see it the way we do, 1142 00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:57.159 like I get it, but I hope you will go 1143 00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.280 back and like rewatch it and kind of take it 1144 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.679 in for what it is, because it really deserves to 1145 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:09.000 be recontextualized for what it is, and I think it 1146 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:10.599 deserves a better shake than it got. 1147 00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:15.639 I can't say enough how much I'm pushing you. Guys. 1148 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.159 If you haven't watched this film, you have much fil 1149 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.199 I'm not sure why you're watching us, to be honest, because. 1150 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:21.239 Some people just like to hear us talk. And I 1151 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.639 genuinely had people tell us that they don't necessarily watch 1152 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.639 the movies, but they like hearing us talk about them. 1153 00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.079 Interesting. I mean, I'm not proud to show you a way. 1154 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.119 If you do that, hey that's great. I just it's 1155 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:33.760 hard for me to do. I can't do that. But 1156 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:35.880 if you are one of those people and you haven't 1157 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.719 watched this film, this is what all the films I 1158 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.559 am going to push you to watch. I don't do 1159 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:41.719 it very often. I don't don't. I say you like 1160 00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:43.559 what you want to like, watch what you want to watch, 1161 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.679 don't watch because somebod else says something. But I do 1162 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.280 feel like people miss this and they they can do 1163 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.599 a lot worse than checking this one out, especially especially 1164 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.599 if you enjoyed the first one. If you didn't enjoy 1165 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:56.079 the first one, then you know it is. But it is. 1166 00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.199 You're not gonna get anything out of this one either, probably, But. 1167 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.039 If you like the first one, and if you're I 1168 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.840 could be fell off a little bit after the second one, 1169 00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.480 go do yourself a favor for Josh rolling alone. 1170 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.599 Yead for real, Dude, again, what an insane performance. He's 1171 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:11.679 just so fucking good in this. 1172 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:17.639 Dude, I can't say, I can't over state how good 1173 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:20.119 he is. It's like it's just so spot on. Every 1174 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.119 time he opened his mouth like that's exactly what he 1175 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.159 should like it's it's nope, nope, deliveries absolutely, yeah, I 1176 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:27.440 love it. 1177 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.119 I don't know, man, like this isn't a good fucking movie. 1178 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.119 It actually it's funny. It makes me

kind of wish 1179 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.480 Men in Black was part of the MCU as its 1180 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.960 own thing, just because I could see this part of 1181 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:45.480 the world kind of being there, right uh. Otherwise, like, 1182 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.960 I really don't have notes this movie fucking it's just 1183 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:48.760 so fucking good. 1184 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.039 Yeah, I have a couple of quick notes. I can 1185 00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:53.760 get it, just like basically line the dialogue or certain moments. 1186 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.840 I love the memorium to z. It was nice to 1187 00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.760 get that. Obviously, it was nice to have that. Having 1188 00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.519 to many Jones be absolutely not emotional, like Will Chippian like, 1189 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:04.360 what basically you've. 1190 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.519 Never said he never told me about his life after 1191 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.960 work and then he just walks off. 1192 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:15.599 What so good? You don't have no balls? 1193 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.360 Oh my god? Oh so good. 1194 01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:23.280 But I like Will Arnett's Little Men's in Black room 1195 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:28.079 mm hmmmmm blood. I love the idea of a time 1196 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.960 jump literally being a time jump. 1197 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:34.480 It's my it's one of my favorite versions of time travel. 1198 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.119 Like I said, I thought that was such a like, clever, 1199 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.760 inventive way to do it, because we've never seen anything 1200 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:42.760 quite like that. It's why Back to the Future so great, right, 1201 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.679 you put it in a glare and it's a different version. 1202 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.320 This was you have to literally jump, we have to 1203 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.199 get high. It was like, oh god, it's so good. 1204 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.840 I don't do that. You actually have to get high 1205 01:00:52.920 --> 01:01:00.440 up the room. Oh god, I man, the word slick 1206 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.320 is so timing Lee Jones's vernacular from the first film. 1207 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.159 Second and again, Josh Brolin just says it. It just 1208 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:07.559 feels exactly the same way. 1209 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:07.920 And I love it. 1210 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.239 That's a good slick starry to understand what we don't talk. 1211 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.760 Yeah, right, Oh god, it's so good. Uh. 1212 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.320 By the last time I like is when he goes 1213 01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:20.880 they go to interview the aliens who at the bowling alley, 1214 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.079 I had a finger, only a sick bastard. 1215 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:27.039 Oh god, yeah, actually I love that little sequence.

By 1216 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.119 the way, I think it's so funny. And again, what 1217 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:33.880 another weird kind of thing to do, right right, this idea, 1218 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.119 because that's kind of the Jack Jeeves character where you're 1219 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:39.280 messing with him, but this time it's grabbing the head 1220 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.119 and using it as a bowling ball. Is so funny 1221 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:42.320 to me. 1222 01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:46.000 The fact it's like I feel like it's to be 1223 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.440 such a traumatizing thing, and he's just like, come like 1224 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.480 that a figure on a sick I'll come on. 1225 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:54.760 The hard, split there, slick. 1226 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.440 And then finally out through out there. Just the idea 1227 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:04.880 that Timmy Jones is like the get pie, getting pie. Yeah, 1228 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.960 you never gonna speak getting pie man changes everything. You're 1229 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.719 gonna just starry. I think things through what everything goes. Ah, 1230 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:11.199 so good. 1231 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:14.840 I need to use that in life when I'm just frustrated, 1232 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.960 I just need to sit and have pie and let 1233 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.760 the world speak to me. That's that's what I'm decited. 1234 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.320 That's a good idea, and it's a good idea. On 1235 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:23.920 that note, I think we should have get some pie. 1236 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.760 I agree. I'm always down my pie. 1237 01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.559 So let's rate this on my best now, so as 1238 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:33.360 we always do. Uh, we just wead things on a 1239 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:37.119 scale of one to eleven. Here on bod projects is 1240 01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:38.840 that's what we do. We always trying things up to eleven. 1241 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:41.519 I will give you our ranking so far. This is, 1242 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:42.880 by the way, I don't think we actually made it 1243 01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.920 clear earlier. This is our Ghostbusters, slash Men and Black 1244 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.159 crossover season because they felt like they belong together. Ghostbusher 1245 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.280 is the original. We gave purpose eleven Ghostbushers to I 1246 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.400 gave an eight point five. You gave a six point five. 1247 01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:58.159 Man Black, I gave a nine. You gave an eleven. 1248 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.639 Man Black too, I give a six point five, you 1249 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:03.880 gave an eight. What do you give a Man Black three? 1250 01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.679 Man in Black three is getting a cool ten and 1251 01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.199 a half. This movie fucking rules, dude, and it's so 1252

01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.039 close to perfect. I just I think the original is 1253 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.400 always going to be the original, and I think that 1254 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:17.639 that is always going to set it at the top, 1255 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:20.039 you know. So it's just one of those things. But 1256 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:24.159 like you're hard pressed to do worse. And the truth 1257 01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:27.239 of the matter is, I think I think the one 1258 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:31.599 thing keeping it from being perfect. Yes, no, no theme 1259 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:32.559 song by Will Smith. 1260 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:37.360 I was going to bring that up. I forgot about 1261 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.239 it happened. I listened to the soundtrack, was listening like 1262 01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:40.480 the credits, so I like, that's. 1263 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.880 No look, no disrespect pitbull, but like I'm good, like 1264 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.039 you're not. Will, I'm sorry, I want not your head. 1265 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.719 Real fucking shame, man, real fucking shame. So that's really 1266 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:56.679 the only thing keeping it from getting a higher score. 1267 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:57.239 Is that U. 1268 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:01.119 Yeah, that's absolutely fair. And I will give this I'm 1269 01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:04.280 gonna you know, I'm gonna prove myself right. I gave 1270 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:05.960 Men in Black and nine, I'm giving this my ten. 1271 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.320 I think this one actually there it is, man, I 1272 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:09.840 think it does. I think it does it for me. 1273 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.440 I love that. I love that you love this one 1274 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.880 so much, honestly, you know, like I really mean that. 1275 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.400 Like that's not me being like sarcastic about it. Because 1276 01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:22.679 I love the original so much and I love these movies. 1277 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.480 It actually hurtens me for you to be like, I 1278 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.639 actually genuinely love this movie. It really is. 1279 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:32.559 And sometimes there's the what the film does, and sometimes 1280 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.000 there is also just a circumstances behind the film that 1281 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:37.559 sometimes or in your life that that worked for you 1282 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:40.519 and for whatever reason, it might be just the fact 1283 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:42.519 that I kind of written off the franchise, and so 1284 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.480 it so surprised me that maybe if i'd like, maybe 1285 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.280 I like to this, I've been a little bit lesser 1286 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.679 because every be like, oh that's a good finale, because 1287 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:52.280 I had written off the series, and because when I

1288 01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:54.039 saw it and was like surprised when I saw it, 1289 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.199 it just makes me feel so happy. 1290 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.280 Yeah, you know it does. It just makes me feel good. 1291 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.239 This movie makes me feel fucking happy every time I 1292 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:02.599 watch it. 1293 01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:04.440 So yeah, it is what it is. 1294 01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:04.760 Mark. 1295 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:08.039 I'm sorry, sorry, Mischrelis. You're you're wrong very few times. 1296 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:08.719 This is one of them. 1297 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.679 In like, I'm not even saying that you're you're like, 1298 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.320 I love you, Mark, this is wrong, like you're just wrong. 1299 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:19.519 I never tell people you're wrong, but this is Mark, 1300 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.360 you have a wrong opinion. I'm sorry to say. 1301 01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:24.960 Oh, you know what, we love you anyway, We'll go 1302 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:28.559 watch Young Guns two for you. But thatja where on 1303 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:29.360 the folks find Jeff. 1304 01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.960 You guys can find me wherever podcasts are sold hanging 1305 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:34.440 out with this gentleman. You can also find me on 1306 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.079 all social media's at PGA Underscore Campbell. I actually misspoke earlier. 1307 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:40.400 I do think I think I said we'd do Men 1308 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.400 in Black International in two weeks. That is not correct. 1309 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.800 We will actually be doing Ghostbusters twenty sixteen or Ghostbuster's 1310 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:47.880 Answer to the Call. In two weeks. You will hear 1311 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:50.760 us talking about Men in Black International in a month. 1312 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:53.639 Yes, exactly, you know what you said. Then I didn't 1313 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.079 even correct because I didn't think about it, but you're 1314 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.320 absolute right because we are doing the crossover serious ghost. 1315 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.400 So I figured i'd correct myself at least there. 1316 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:03.480 Absolutely good idea. We're gonna jo back to back. Hemisworth 1317 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:05.559 so weird. 1318 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.760 That's weird, but it is what it is. 1319 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:11.559 And yeah, we will see you to do that. You 1320 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:13.840 can find me at politics you know, Doc be Scott 1321 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.639 a social for police Guy. I am a Twitter at 1322 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:17.480 Paul and Swartter News. You on Twitter find me all 1323 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.360 over this channel and doing review with Lego, which is 1324 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.639 the v franchise and review ad Jason. We just recorded 1325 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.880 our episode of Watchers as an adjacent to the Stars 1326 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:29.760 Mic Larnside, and that we actually record. That's gonna come 1327 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.039 out tomorrow. If you're watching this on the day that 1328 01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:37.079 this debuts. You also got a Queen podcast. I do 1329 01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:39.960 that on a weekly basis as well, and holy snokes, 1330 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.360 every other week we got to do I do a 1331 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.880 news one and then we do a thematic one. This 1332 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.000 week it's gonna be our news bits, a lot of 1333 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:49.000 little nuggets coming out from Galaxy far far away. And yeah, 1334 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:52.280 we'll be back next week on the Patreon here to 1335 01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:54.800 do Doctor Strange and. 1336 01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.280 Yeah, that's next, isn't it. It's so weird that it's 1337 01:06:58.400 --> 01:06:59.440 right after Civil War. 1338 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.440 It is so weird as Yeah, I agree, it's very 1339 01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:06.519 It's so strange. No one intended, but it is what 1340 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.119 it is, and we will be. We're really enjoying ourselves there. 1341 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.760 If you patron of compact building projects and see all 1342 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.280 them stuff. If you can't, I understand, it will be 1343 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:16.880 on the main channel. Eventually, you got to figure out 1344 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:19.440 exactly when I'm gonna start dropping that, but probably sometime 1345 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:21.079 in the towards the end of the year, we'll start 1346 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:22.880 dropping out of the main channel as well, even though 1347 01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:24.079 it's quite old at that point. 1348 01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:24.960 It is what it is. 1349 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:27.519 But if you can't, like subscribe all that stuff, you 1350 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.719 can help us fight algorithm. Lots of fun coming up 1351 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:32.440 on this show. I love hanging out with you, PJ, 1352 01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:33.400 my brother. 1353 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.679 I love doing this. I joined the Patreon you get 1354 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.000 more nonsense. 1355 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.400 Like this, absolutely and hopefully you're out there. That's what 1356 01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.159 you want to see is cover We're we have a 1357 01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:45.920 big list of stuff we want to cover, but we're 1358 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.400 always open to other ideas as well. If I mean, 1359 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.880 everyone wat thrust me out there, We'll be like, how 1360 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.039 did we not think of doing that. 1361 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:54.920 Yeah, the one that we I'm going to tell you guys, 1362 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:59.519 we're talking. We floated potentially doing another crossover series as 1363 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:04.159 our next one, which I'm really looking forward to, and 1364 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:07.800 one of those things might actually feature Will Smith. 1365 01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.280 You go absolutely, then go all right, we will see 1366 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:14.800 you next time here on too, Middle eas Gist on film. 1367 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:16.840 As always, goodbye friends,