Fullständig transkription av The Ochelli Effect 11-4-2026 Larry Hancock UAP UFO update

worked really hard at making it a research conference. 69 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:27.379 It wasn't just a conference for everybody to come and 70 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:31.399 talk about and rehash stuff. Um, you know, because this, 71 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.720 this is all, almost everything is in print now. It's, 72 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:37.839 but so I had a real challenge every year of 73 00:04:37.899 --> 00:04:41.610 coming back with Deborah to look for new research. And 74 00:04:41.620 --> 00:04:44.910 that was actually my role in the conference was to 75 00:04:45.629 --> 00:04:49.110 monitor things online, to talk to people that I was 76 00:04:49.170 --> 00:04:53.170 in touch with that were doing new document research and, 77 00:04:54.060 --> 00:04:57.339 and making sure that the majority of the speakers were 78 00:04:57.379 --> 00:04:59.839 doing something new because we didn't want it to be 79 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:04.600 just another gathering in Dallas to talk about history. Um, 80 00:05:05.259 --> 00:05:09.379 and that, that was getting increasingly hard to do even then. And, uh, 81 00:05:09.939 --> 00:05:12.399 you know, to do it in an in-person form with 82 00:05:12.420 --> 00:05:15.500 the expensive, but just to recruit the right people for 83 00:05:15.579 --> 00:05:21.500 new research, because quite honestly, from my perspective, uh, Even 84 00:05:21.540 --> 00:05:24.959 though we've got almost everything that we ever asked for, 85 00:05:26.939 --> 00:05:30.269 it's now been done. I mean, we're kind of wrapping 86 00:05:30.370 --> 00:05:35.560 up loose ends with Morley's work this year, with the 87 00:05:36.149 --> 00:05:39.759 releases of some new stuff. And there's some new interesting stuff. 88 00:05:39.779 --> 00:05:42.639 But quite frankly, you've got to parse it out. You 89 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.459 would have to. Follow that very closely, and that's what 90 00:05:46.579 --> 00:05:50.439 I perceived my legacy to be. And so about all 91 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.470 I can say is that was getting tough enough as 92 00:05:53.550 --> 00:05:56.310 it was, and I'm not even sure I could do 93 00:05:56.350 --> 00:05:57.850 it at this point if anybody asked me. 94 00:05:58.829 --> 00:06:02.569 Well, and also there is the additional issue of the 95 00:06:02.610 --> 00:06:06.829 technology itself and the culture literally changing around you, which 96 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:09.660 will lead me to my next topic. But before we 97 00:06:09.699 --> 00:06:13.079 get there, I mean, in reality, one of the people 98 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.779 that you brought there at one point was me because 99 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.339 I was at least creating podcasts that were in a 100 00:06:20.379 --> 00:06:26.110 slightly different format that were meant to be informative. And 101 00:06:26.310 --> 00:06:28.689 I didn't always focus on the JFK thing. It wasn't 102 00:06:28.730 --> 00:06:32.850 the only thing I did. But working not just with

you, 103 00:06:32.889 --> 00:06:35.810 but with others, we did try to break new ground 104 00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:40.009 and clarify a lot of things and create it in 105 00:06:40.029 --> 00:06:43.189 an audio format, which was different from what a lot 106 00:06:43.209 --> 00:06:46.920 of other people were doing still. Um, you know, and, 107 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:50.000 and that's why I became involved because I was actually 108 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.519 resistant to becoming involved in the conferences, but in reality, 109 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.079 it's Larry Hancock who sort of invited me in, uh, 110 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:58.850 when it came down to it. And then I wound 111 00:06:58.889 --> 00:07:02.290 up doing other work later, but that was my choice. Uh, 112 00:07:02.449 --> 00:07:05.050 you know, I'm okay, fine. I'll, I'll be the MC guy. 113 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:07.290 I will try and recruit some new people. I will 114 00:07:07.329 --> 00:07:10.029 look at some new stuff, you know, and I was 115 00:07:10.069 --> 00:07:13.410 doing some of that job too, but it was, you know, 116 00:07:13.750 --> 00:07:17.110 in a different time, in a different space because things 117 00:07:17.149 --> 00:07:20.560 were changing, not just the technology, but the way the 118 00:07:20.620 --> 00:07:24.639 public was consuming information. I mean, books and everything have 119 00:07:24.740 --> 00:07:28.120 changed regarding, you know, like publishing a book at one 120 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.709 point that used to be a key thing for any topic, 121 00:07:30.769 --> 00:07:35.990 whether it's current events, recent scandal, politics, the revision of 122 00:07:36.050 --> 00:07:41.490 history or the, adjudication of various historical controversies one way 123 00:07:41.550 --> 00:07:45.199 or another. It used to be, where's your book? And 124 00:07:45.259 --> 00:07:49.740 now that's not necessarily the case. There's other technologies available 125 00:07:49.939 --> 00:07:53.199 and books are almost... you know, no offense to a 126 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:56.019 guy who's written many books, but here's the thing, putting 127 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.199 out a book nowadays, not even super special as it 128 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.800 once was, you know what I mean? And do, do, 129 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.720 do the kids read them? Okay. I know I'm sounding 130 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.060 like the old man now, but do they read them? 131 00:08:08.379 --> 00:08:13.449 Not really. They're consuming information from elsewhere. Sometimes they follow 132 00:08:13.470 --> 00:08:16.410 it up and actually read. Sometimes they follow it up 133 00:08:16.470 --> 00:08:20.139 and sit through a documentary and But quite honestly, the 134 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.319 collective attention span is down so that even that audience 135 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.699 has shrunk, and it wasn't even gigantic to begin with 136 00:08:27.850 --> 00:08:30.370 in the JFK world. Do you disagree with any of 137 00:08:30.389 --> 00:08:31.629 what I just brought up here? 138 00:08:32.549 --> 00:08:34.509 No, and I think that that was part of what 139 00:08:34.570 --> 00:08:37.929 I would consider the Lancer legacy as well. When Deborah 140 00:08:37.970 --> 00:08:45.370 started out, there was only one high-quality newsletter in place. 141 00:08:45.889 --> 00:08:48.110 And so there was a question of, Where would you 142 00:08:48.210 --> 00:08:53.250 even collect information? And so Lancer followed up with a 143 00:08:53.610 --> 00:08:58.750 second newsletter. And so that was part of expanding the media. 144 00:08:59.049 --> 00:09:03.919 And then she moved on from that to– well, quite frankly, 145 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:08.000 probably the next stage was– a lot of discussion as 146 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:11.929 to how you get documents available to people. And my 147 00:09:11.990 --> 00:09:17.429 first involvement with her was literally my copying hundreds of 148 00:09:17.490 --> 00:09:21.220 pages of documents and Lancer serving as a vehicle to 149 00:09:21.269 --> 00:09:28.139 distribute those documents. I remember very well inviting Rex Bradford 150 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.649 to do a session on HTML and and the possibility 151 00:09:32.690 --> 00:09:36.370 of using a webpage to do documents. Uh, when I, 152 00:09:36.870 --> 00:09:39.169 when I did, someone would have talked, we thought the 153 00:09:39.220 --> 00:09:41.539 next step was, Oh, we're going to make a webpage 154 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.159 and we're going to put all the major documents for 155 00:09:44.179 --> 00:09:47.159 the book on the webpage. That was, you know, there's 156 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:49.799 a whole series of steps that we went through and 157 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.710 you're quite right. Part of the, I would say part 158 00:09:52.750 --> 00:09:57.889 of the major legacy of Lancer was media translation, you know, 159 00:09:58.210 --> 00:10:01.740 take getting research and, and then making it available to 160 00:10:01.779 --> 00:10:05.419 the public in one form. And then another form, another 161 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.840 form is, is life progressed. And, and eventually, as you're saying, 162 00:10:09.860 --> 00:10:13.070 you know, this, this move to places like the Mary 163 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:19.919 Farrell website, uh, It moved to podcasters. Before podcasters, there 164 00:10:19.940 --> 00:10:26.179 were bulletin boards and forums like CompuServe. So I would 165 00:10:26.250 --> 00:10:29.090 say that was all part of the legacy of Lancer 166 00:10:30.590 --> 00:10:33.590 that evolved over time. But now the good news is 167 00:10:34.110 --> 00:10:38.690 we're in a place and time where documents, newly found documents, 168 00:10:39.289 --> 00:10:44.870 are available to everyone almost instantly. With various vehicles. This 169 00:10:44.929 --> 00:10:48.789 past year, people located and did some excellent research on 170

00:10:48.870 --> 00:10:54.519 William Harvey. And, you know, the documents were identified, the 171 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.919 documents were researched, and the documents and the information were 172 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:05.120 all widely made available within three months. You know, we 173 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.309 take that for granted now. That's just, that's really part 174 00:11:09.429 --> 00:11:13.230 of the legacy of Lancer. And that's just where we 175 00:11:13.330 --> 00:11:17.240 are now. So I guess maybe a better answer to 176 00:11:17.299 --> 00:11:21.279 your thing was I would consider that the legacy of 177 00:11:21.340 --> 00:11:24.399 Lancer is a lot more than just the conference. And 178 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:29.110 I think Debra would feel the same way. So a 179 00:11:29.169 --> 00:11:33.409 huge conference in Dallas, whether it happens or whether it 180 00:11:33.730 --> 00:11:35.649 doesn't happen, is only part of the story. 181 00:11:36.230 --> 00:11:39.460 No, absolutely true. I mean, there is the publishing company. 182 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:44.679 There was the resources that were preserved and digitized, you know, 183 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.740 and at the time that was extremely progressive. And even 184 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.919 the idea that the Mary Farrell website evolved from what 185 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.970 it did, you know, initially just uploading her stuff right 186 00:11:56.789 --> 00:12:00.370 into what it is, which includes the cryptonyms project. I mean, 187 00:12:00.409 --> 00:12:03.029 whole books that are in there, extra articles that are 188 00:12:03.110 --> 00:12:07.580 only there, you know, that discuss and explore various pieces 189 00:12:07.620 --> 00:12:11.879 of information, old and new. This is a, you know, 190 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.159 a culmination of a whole lot of work, a couple 191 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:18.120 of decades worth of evolutions. So, you know, and Lancer 192 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.440 was definitely involved in that. Now, the legacy of it 193 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.269 going forward would by necessity be a different story. So 194 00:12:26.309 --> 00:12:28.889 I'm just saying, you know, Larry's not involved with any 195 00:12:28.929 --> 00:12:31.350 of this stuff, as far as I know, at this 196 00:12:31.429 --> 00:12:35.950 point in time. But definitely the foundation bears his markings. 197 00:12:36.009 --> 00:12:38.820 You know what I'm saying? So that's just one thing 198 00:12:38.860 --> 00:12:41.480 I wanted to clarify, because some people did ask me about, 199 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.720 you know, is Larry going to be involved? I said 200 00:12:44.299 --> 00:12:47.019 I don't speak for him. But, you know, best of 201 00:12:47.059 --> 00:12:51.889 my knowledge, he's not currently. And there's no active plan 202 00:12:52.070 --> 00:12:56.320 to reintegrate Larry into the Lancer, whatever it's going to become. 203 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.100

All I know is what everybody else knows, you know, 204 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.830 that publicly it was canceled recently. That's that. Anyway. Putting 205 00:13:05.870 --> 00:13:08.090 that aside, you know, there's just one more quick news 206 00:13:08.129 --> 00:13:11.919 story before we get to the heart of something that 207 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.259 I find a little confusing, to be honest with you. 208 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.899 But then again, maybe that's by design. I guess we'll 209 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.019 find out in a minute. But I mean, just because 210 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:25.220 it's Wednesday and it's the day after the selection day 211 00:13:25.340 --> 00:13:28.350 on Tuesday, you know, the big midterms that about a 212 00:13:28.379 --> 00:13:31.929 year ago or two years ago were, you know, the 213 00:13:32.250 --> 00:13:37.370 much anticipated. Oh, my God, this will be the you know, 214 00:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.769 the watershed moment in our future history, because this will 215 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:44.419 be when the tide turns or it's totally decided to 216 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:46.759 be the way it is, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 217 00:13:48.379 --> 00:13:50.000 I have an attitude about it that I know is 218 00:13:50.019 --> 00:13:52.960 not going to be popular, which is I don't think 219 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.590 much is going to change, even though we have a 220 00:13:57.250 --> 00:14:01.730 blue tsunami of sorts here. which is what they're calling 221 00:14:01.789 --> 00:14:05.710 it in some media circles, et cetera. I mean, the House, 222 00:14:05.929 --> 00:14:10.750 the Senate, the governor's majority in the country now all 223 00:14:10.850 --> 00:14:15.879 shifted to the Democrats. And I say there is absolutely 224 00:14:15.980 --> 00:14:18.299 no way that the Democrats will miss an opportunity to 225 00:14:18.340 --> 00:14:21.679 shoot themselves in the foot anyway. So by 28, we 226 00:14:21.860 --> 00:14:27.230 could be looking at yet another whiplash reversal of general 227 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.309 consensus that But in the end, I don't think it's 228 00:14:30.330 --> 00:14:33.830 going to change much. The drastic panics of the opponents 229 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:38.080 of this aside. Now, you, Larry, might see this a 230 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.799 little different and you don't have to comment on this deeply. Hell, 231 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.509 we could dedicate the next discussion to this, if you like. 232 00:14:44.590 --> 00:14:48.070 I think it would be interesting. But just curious if 233 00:14:48.090 --> 00:14:54.710 you have any, like, I don't know. instant, most immediate 234 00:14:54.809 --> 00:14:59.820 sort of outcry reaction to this supposedly big deal here 235 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:00.899 with the blue tsunami. Go ahead. 236 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:03.679 I think it's a much bigger deal, Chuck, because I 237 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:11.440 think in terms of measuring concrete programs and structure the government, 238 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:15.000 that happens at the presidential election. That never happens at 239 00:15:15.019 --> 00:15:20.519 the midterms. So from that perspective, you're not going to 240 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:26.759 change the way the government is run from the president's standpoint, 241 00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:31.179 who has the ability to issue directives and who the 242 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:35.379 Supreme Court has been much more lenient with in what 243 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:37.340 used to be a balance of power, may not be 244 00:15:37.379 --> 00:15:40.639 a balance of power yet. But I think what you 245 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:42.860 will see and what you've seen for the last two years, 246 00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:45.919 you did not see Congress. There was not a Congress 247 00:15:45.980 --> 00:15:51.039 participating in government. There was simply a president issuing directives, 248 00:15:51.259 --> 00:15:54.750 signing things in the office, and that was the American government. 249 00:15:55.049 --> 00:15:58.870 That's not the way it's supposed to work. You're supposed 250 00:15:58.889 --> 00:16:02.250 to have an engaged Congress. I think you will now 251 00:16:02.629 --> 00:16:06.279 have an engaged Congress. Just because Congress is engaged doesn't 252 00:16:07.299 --> 00:16:10.509 It doesn't mean things are going to get better fixed, whatever. 253 00:16:11.409 --> 00:16:15.070 But what you do is you have an actual democratic process, 254 00:16:15.429 --> 00:16:19.649 whereas you didn't have it before. And you simply had 255 00:16:19.769 --> 00:16:24.779 a default to the presidency. Now you actually have, to 256 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:26.820 some extent, I won't say it's a balance of power, 257 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:32.990 but you have all three sets of the pillars of 258 00:16:33.070 --> 00:16:37.279 government in place. So from a You know, state of 259 00:16:37.340 --> 00:16:41.610 the democracy standpoint, I see that as a major thing. 260 00:16:41.850 --> 00:16:43.970 I will tell you, I've already seen news stories from 261 00:16:44.070 --> 00:16:50.190 overseas where people are breathing sighs of relief because they 262 00:16:50.289 --> 00:16:54.559 really thought that the American adventure, as it will, might 263 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.700 have been over. You know, that we would end up 264 00:16:57.740 --> 00:17:02.460 with an oligarchy like other countries have, you know, like 265 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.920 those people have the money. have the money and run 266 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.910 things and whatever they say goes. And they really felt, 267 00:17:09.930 --> 00:17:12.710 and I was concerned, we might be there as well. 268 00:17:14.049 --> 00:17:17.140 I think we proved last night that's not where we are. Now, 269 00:17:17.180 --> 00:17:20.180 that doesn't make where we are a great place, but 270 00:17:21.660 --> 00:17:26.289 that is different.

This certainly proves last night that just 271 00:17:26.309 --> 00:17:30.190 spending tons of money doesn't necessarily win an election. 272 00:17:30.750 --> 00:17:33.670 Right. But within two years, I do not foresee the 273 00:17:33.710 --> 00:17:39.049 stranglehold that has been put in place, broken by the 274 00:17:39.609 --> 00:17:43.269 oligarchy that is in place in my mind. But like 275 00:17:43.289 --> 00:17:44.910 I said, you and I might have to debate that 276 00:17:45.910 --> 00:17:48.599 on a future show because you know what? The most 277 00:17:48.650 --> 00:17:52.299 telling thing to me is as follows. The day after 278 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:56.059 this blue tsunami happened, What is President Trump dragging the 279 00:17:56.099 --> 00:18:00.569 reporters around to show them? Hey, the flag dangling from 280 00:18:00.829 --> 00:18:05.089 the upper part of the structure for the ballroom. OK, 281 00:18:05.230 --> 00:18:07.450 you know what I'm saying? In other words, I think 282 00:18:07.630 --> 00:18:14.460 that the institutionalized circumstances that were created over the past 283 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:20.160 couple of years are going to remain dominant. regardless of 284 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.779 what the Democrats do. And again, I think they'll never 285 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.819 cease to seize an opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot, A, 286 00:18:27.470 --> 00:18:32.849 and B, because we live in such a counter-reactive, counter-punching society. 287 00:18:34.049 --> 00:18:36.069 I'm figuring that the Democrats are also going to waste 288 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:39.750 tons of time and resources and everything else in fruitless 289 00:18:39.869 --> 00:18:45.150 efforts to what? Impeach everybody, take people to task publicly 290 00:18:45.210 --> 00:18:48.619 and score political points as opposed to getting things done. 291 00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:52.279 That'll be a real consequence. And I like I said before, 292 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:52.970 you and I might. 293 00:18:52.859 --> 00:18:57.119 Disagree with one more comment. You started this off. I'll 294 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.720 just give you from personal experience. There's another thing that 295 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:00.720 goes along with it. 296 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:01.000 Sure. 297 00:19:02.180 --> 00:19:05.460 And that is, having lived for a very long time, 298 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:10.970 this very much reminds me of the 1970s. Yes. Where 299 00:19:11.769 --> 00:19:15.789 there was a sea change in popular opinion. There was 300 00:19:15.869 --> 00:19:20.710 a sea change in terms of trust in government. This 301 00:19:21.380 --> 00:19:24.759 was an attitudinal change where everybody said, wait a minute, 302 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.480 you told us you were all telling us the truth. 303 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:29.559 You told us you were transparent. Now we know that 304 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:34.740 you lied. And there were actually committees and investigations that 305 00:19:34.819 --> 00:19:37.779 aired a lot of dirty laundries. Did that change the 306 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.519 way the government ran? Did that instantly make lives better? No, 307 00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:46.829 but I guarantee you it feels like that. And there 308 00:19:46.890 --> 00:19:49.750 will be dirty laundry air that should have been aired, 309 00:19:50.670 --> 00:19:54.220 just as I saw back in the 1970s. And so 310 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:58.920 from that standpoint, that's not running the country. That is 311 00:19:59.380 --> 00:20:02.160 what I would call at least an urge to a 312 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:05.319 true transparency. Now, you can call it a vendetta if 313 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:08.460 you want. I guarantee you back in the 1970s, the 314 00:20:08.500 --> 00:20:11.910 Republicans felt that way about it then, too. But it 315 00:20:11.970 --> 00:20:15.289 was only then that we learned about Vietnam and a 316 00:20:15.349 --> 00:20:19.289 lot of other things. So there is that aspect of it, too. 317 00:20:19.890 --> 00:20:20.569 Oh, yeah. 318 00:20:20.609 --> 00:20:21.869 Just attitudinally. 319 00:20:22.009 --> 00:20:24.650 And I agree with you there, because I think we're 320 00:20:24.670 --> 00:20:27.980 looking toward, you know, the Carter presidency time period to 321 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.950 repeat itself, sort of. Where you have Carter come in, 322 00:20:32.430 --> 00:20:34.579 but take a look at what he interrupted only for 323 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:35.259 one term. 324 00:20:36.500 --> 00:20:36.779 Right. 325 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:41.160 You know what I'm saying? You had Nixon go to Ford, which, 326 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:45.710 you know, Ford, basically a placeholder for. Uh, and then 327 00:20:46.309 --> 00:20:50.660 the Reagan era started Reagan Bush era. And quite frankly, 328 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:53.299 in my opinion, it's, it is what it is, but 329 00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:56.319 I think that's what we're looking at is this slight hiccup. 330 00:20:56.900 --> 00:20:59.069 You know, I'm not going to disagree because I'm on 331 00:20:59.089 --> 00:21:02.069 the guy on the show that believes in original sin, uh, 332 00:21:02.789 --> 00:21:07.150 So I'm not going to disagree with that long term trajectory. 333 00:21:07.450 --> 00:21:09.670 Yeah, that's what I see long term is that we're 334 00:21:09.690 --> 00:21:12.839 going to have the Carter presidency where, you know what 335 00:21:13.460 --> 00:21:13.740 I have? 336 00:21:13.940 --> 00:21:14.299 I have. 337 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:21.309 What did he say? The famous quote, right, where he says, 338 00:21:21.349 --> 00:21:25.279 you know, I've done bad things in my heart. You know, 339 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:27.819 you had a president there who was actually a real 340 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.700 person for a second and he made mistakes and believe me, 341 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:33.559 was in on some of the greater powers that

should 342 00:21:33.619 --> 00:21:36.549 not be counsel on foreign relations, people all over the place, 343 00:21:36.609 --> 00:21:39.910 this kind of stuff, you know, having way too much influence. 344 00:21:39.950 --> 00:21:43.730 But he also put Stansfield Turner into the CIA, which, 345 00:21:43.930 --> 00:21:47.829 you know, was an attempt to do something. But overall, 346 00:21:47.890 --> 00:21:51.509 did not really change the culture of the agency in 347 00:21:51.589 --> 00:21:55.990 a in a major way, in a longstanding way. And 348 00:21:56.009 --> 00:21:59.410 they just resisted him. You know what I mean? So, 349 00:22:00.190 --> 00:22:02.289 you know, I'm just saying that's the way I look 350 00:22:02.369 --> 00:22:04.250 at it is we're about to enter. Maybe there's going 351 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:06.569 to be a Jimmy Carter sort of character that needs 352 00:22:06.609 --> 00:22:08.950 to come into play here. And then we'll just have 353 00:22:09.009 --> 00:22:14.119 history repeat itself. But anyway, speaking of history repeating itself. Um, 354 00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:17.619 you wrote this op-ed and I gotta tell you, I 355 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:19.720 get confused by it and I'm not sure if you're 356 00:22:19.779 --> 00:22:23.269 confusing me or if it's the process or what, but 357 00:22:23.309 --> 00:22:25.930 here we go again with UAP as they call it 358 00:22:26.089 --> 00:22:29.609 UFO as they used to call it. Um, and I 359 00:22:29.670 --> 00:22:31.690 find it remarkable that you had to say what you 360 00:22:31.730 --> 00:22:35.150 had to say, but then again, I'm having trouble making 361 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:39.559 sense of what's going on here. We're putting agencies into 362 00:22:39.619 --> 00:22:42.279 place that seem to be accomplishing less than when we 363 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:46.400 had no agencies in place. We have disclosures that have 364 00:22:46.460 --> 00:22:49.940 already been disclosed and many other confusing aspects of this. 365 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:52.759 So I don't know if you want me to refer 366 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:54.720 to the op-ed at all, but could you kind of 367 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:59.599 explain what you've written here for me? Maybe it's just 368 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.079 me in my simple mind, but help me out, please. 369 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:06.700 Now, basically, it's the problem of trying to explain chaos. 370 00:23:07.339 --> 00:23:11.940 You know, your subject matter puts certain limitations on you 371 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:14.920 right there. It's kind of like, oh, it's just chaotic. Well, yeah, okay. 372 00:23:15.369 --> 00:23:18.890 But now, as you know, we're getting a lot of questions. 373 00:23:18.950 --> 00:23:21.750 I'm getting a lot of questions constantly because we have 374 00:23:21.769 --> 00:23:24.910 these new books coming out on UFOs. And the first 375 00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:28.450 one came out about three weeks ago. And just as 376 00:23:28.539 --> 00:23:34.940 the book is coming out, the president's office is, through 377 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:41.789 the Pentagon, had, The president had committed to total transparency 378 00:23:42.150 --> 00:23:46.809 on the subject. So it's like the president's office somehow 379 00:23:47.690 --> 00:23:52.009 is going to share everything that the government has with 380 00:23:52.029 --> 00:23:54.339 the public and the government can make up its own mind. 381 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.420 I mean, the public can make up its own mind. OK, 382 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:57.079 that's fine. 383 00:23:57.339 --> 00:23:59.799 Right now, this is part of the. Sorry, this was 384 00:23:59.859 --> 00:24:02.720 partially what was spearheaded by Trump's executive order. 385 00:24:02.779 --> 00:24:02.980 Right. 386 00:24:04.299 --> 00:24:07.380 No, actually not. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. 387 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:14.180 He didn't even— these releases are just basically— there' s no structure at 388 00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:17.259 all behind them. There's no office that does this. There's 389 00:24:17.299 --> 00:24:23.140 no directive that— they' re spearheaded by Trump's general remark about transparency. 390 00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:25.619 Okay, so this is what we discussed a couple of 391 00:24:25.700 --> 00:24:30.400 episodes ago when you said basically there's this general sort 392 00:24:30.509 --> 00:24:37.460 of declaration— And then there's no mechanism to handle it. Okay. 393 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.240 And that's what we discussed a few episodes ago on UAPs. 394 00:24:40.289 --> 00:24:42.109 Just for anybody who wants to go back and listen 395 00:24:42.130 --> 00:24:47.009 to that again, please do. But that's where we're at here, 396 00:24:47.029 --> 00:24:49.950 and we're talking about that. Okay. Just please continue. I 397 00:24:49.950 --> 00:24:51.349 just want to make sure I understood. 398 00:24:52.250 --> 00:24:55.609 Fortunately, it's not even quite that simple. So basically, as 399 00:24:55.630 --> 00:24:58.950 a president, just saying, well, I'm going to be transparent. 400 00:24:58.990 --> 00:25:02.960 We're going to release stuff. Now, we don't know. who 401 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:08.220 the people releasing it are. It comes out through the Pentagon, 402 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.640 through the Department of War, through Hague Space Office, but 403 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:14.329 we don't know who really goes through and collects it, 404 00:25:14.430 --> 00:25:17.670 what from where, and decides what to share or not. 405 00:25:17.710 --> 00:25:22.309 We don't know that. Now, so we have that. That's 406 00:25:22.369 --> 00:25:26.230 an element of what's happening with the UFO information, UAP information. 407 00:25:26.910 --> 00:25:30.799 But we have another group, the AARO, which you and 408 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:37.119 I also discussed, which was established by Congress, by legislation 409 00:25:37.180 --> 00:25:42.180 from Congress, which directed the

Department of Defense to establish 410 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:48.420 a group to investigate and assess and report on what 411 00:25:48.579 --> 00:25:52.720 they came to call UAPs, anomalous aerial objects, as a 412 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:55.220 potential security. 413 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:00.140 Just a clarification for anybody listening. That's the All-Domain Anomaly 414 00:26:00.299 --> 00:26:05.240 Resolutions Office, the AARO. Sorry, go ahead, Larry, just to 415 00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:05.619 be clear. 416 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.950 So there is structure there. There is the law. There 417 00:26:08.990 --> 00:26:15.029 is a tasking. There's a charter. They're supposed to collect reports, sightings. 418 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.839 They're supposed to inquire into the history of the sightings, 419 00:26:20.619 --> 00:26:23.000 and they're supposed to do reports on it, and they've 420 00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:26.109 chosen to do that annually. So they have issued a 421 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:31.049 couple of reports. Now, basically, their reports are whatever they 422 00:26:31.089 --> 00:26:35.230 decide they're going to be. Their reports are a combination 423 00:26:35.490 --> 00:26:40.329 of some fairly recent historical events in the early parts 424 00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:46.369 of this decade, and the later parts of the last decade, 425 00:26:46.509 --> 00:26:48.450 and anything that comes up now. But one of the 426 00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:52.329 problems that makes it challenging is that they are only 427 00:26:52.430 --> 00:26:57.299 taking certain types of reports only from the military, only 428 00:26:57.339 --> 00:27:00.240 from pilots. They're not taking reports from the general public. 429 00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:03.779 So to get a report, it has to be from 430 00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:08.920 a military installation, a military service, or a pilot. So 431 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:13.109 this is That kind of limits what they're doing. And 432 00:27:13.170 --> 00:27:16.210 so they're putting out reports. There is not a direct 433 00:27:16.349 --> 00:27:20.950 tie between what they're doing and what the president's office 434 00:27:21.029 --> 00:27:27.150 is releasing. In some cases, there's an overlap. The president's 435 00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:33.329 office might release something that AARO has investigated. Most of 436 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:39.549 what they're releasing is very old, which is... So there's 437 00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:44.049 a confusion factor there. And then the president appointed another 438 00:27:44.109 --> 00:27:49.880 group headed by Avi Loeb to be a scientific advisor 439 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:54.460 to the White House on the subject of UAPs. And 440 00:27:55.140 --> 00:28:00.500 Avi Loeb's group is— we' re not sure that they're advising the 441 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.819 White House. They may be looking at reports that AARO 442 00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:08.140 is collecting. All of that is just unclear. So they're

443 00:28:08.180 --> 00:28:11.259 really— Three different things going on at the same time 444 00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:14.039 that we don't really have the connectivity tissue for. 445 00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:18.369 Could they also be involved with the Presidential Unsealing and 446 00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:24.430 Reporting System, which is, well, yeah, for UAP encounters, which 447 00:28:24.549 --> 00:28:31.049 is PURSUE, basically, P-U-R-S-U-E is the acronym used there. Could 448 00:28:31.089 --> 00:28:33.630 that be what his group is involved in, or do 449 00:28:33.690 --> 00:28:35.160 we know that or not? 450 00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:39.740 It does not appear that, again— PURSUE is just a 451 00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:47.059 program that is releasing reports. They're releasing older documents. The 452 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:51.980 vast majority, 80% to 90% of what they're releasing is 453 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.670 out of the 1940s and 1950s. And it's stuff that 454 00:28:56.710 --> 00:29:00.609 we have seen for decades. And apparently they don't know that. 455 00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:06.099 They don't care about that. Now, that doesn't prevent it 456 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.059 from making sensational news headlines, you know, because they're seeing 457 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.359 stuff that we've seen for decades and the media's never seen. 458 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.720 They're not familiar to it. They're hearing tapes. They're looking 459 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.519 at videos. And they're seeing some new stuff. Now, my 460 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.839 guess is they're getting the new stuff from AARO, but 461 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.750 I don't know that. And What Avi Loeb's group, where 462 00:29:32.809 --> 00:29:39.269 it sits in between, it's not known. There's nothing that 463 00:29:39.430 --> 00:29:43.039 ties it. all together. So the reason I wrote the 464 00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:46.380 op-ed was the fact that it looks like if you're 465 00:29:46.420 --> 00:29:52.079 sitting back and listening to Fox News or Newsmax or 466 00:29:52.099 --> 00:29:55.799 a couple of the other outlets, you're seeing a continuous 467 00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:01.569 feed of these sensational stories about UAPs. Which, unfortunately, in 468 00:30:01.630 --> 00:30:06.309 most cases, the people doing the story don't realize it's 469 00:30:06.650 --> 00:30:12.230 old news. It's something that is in the books that 470 00:30:12.410 --> 00:30:18.519 we've written and the studies that we've done. It's not 471 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.839 really new. The only new part of it are some 472 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:27.970 things that AIRO is collecting and themselves releasing. Right. you know, 473 00:30:28.430 --> 00:30:31.170 that's part of the confusion. It's not like there's one 474 00:30:31.250 --> 00:30:36.819 body of content that everybody is talking about. But in 475 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.980 terms of the public, here's like the rest of the story. 476 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.539 The reason I wrote the op-ed is there are three big, 477 00:30:44.779 --> 00:30:48.740 because it looks like there's a whole lot happening, everybody 478 00:30:48.819 --> 00:30:52.660 is missing the point that there are three major gaps 479 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:58.119 in the UFO UAP story that are not at all 480 00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:02.619 being covered, that are not all subject to transparency, that 481 00:31:02.769 --> 00:31:06.309 none of these groups is acknowledging or dealing with. And 482 00:31:06.349 --> 00:31:11.269 so while mainstream media thinks that, oh, transparency is occurring 483 00:31:11.730 --> 00:31:15.430 and look at this, they're totally missing the fact that, no, 484 00:31:15.470 --> 00:31:19.049 it's not. It's an illusion. This is all illusion. It's 485 00:31:19.130 --> 00:31:23.630 like waving the wand over the subject of UFOs and, 486 00:31:23.769 --> 00:31:27.710 you know, what was still behind the curtains. And that's 487 00:31:28.029 --> 00:31:29.910 that's the reason for the op ed. And I I 488 00:31:30.470 --> 00:31:34.380 tried to point out the the three areas that are missing. 489 00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:36.680 And that was the purpose of the op ed. But 490 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.000 in doing so, I've got to talk about all that's 491 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.279 going on, which is challenging. 492 00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:42.480 Right. 493 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.349 Which is also difficult because, again, you have the shiny object, 494 00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:50.640 if you will. of the stuff that's come from overseas. 495 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.380 And that's one of the key gaps here, that we're 496 00:31:54.420 --> 00:32:00.240 not seeing stuff from the domestic side of this collectively. 497 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.250 Because like you said, where's the public's reports on things 498 00:32:04.269 --> 00:32:07.329 they're seeing? Doesn't seem to be a place for that 499 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:11.869 to go. But also there is a dramatically sort of 500 00:32:12.049 --> 00:32:17.680 empty space reporting that's coming from, what, our domestic military bases, 501 00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:18.799 or am I misreading that? 502 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.119 Yeah. Now, we're seeing lots of video. I won't say lots, 503 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:29.470 but we're seeing fascinating video of orbs and dark objects 504 00:32:29.549 --> 00:32:33.269 and things flying, you know, that are strange. But that's 505 00:32:33.329 --> 00:32:36.970 all coming from overseas. It's all coming, actually, it's combat 506 00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:43.500 footage from the... incidents on and around iran and in 507 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.880 in the near east if you will whatever you want 508 00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:48.380 to call that like. 509 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.410 For instance we talked about the hellfire missiles and the 510 00:32:50.589 --> 00:32:52.970 orb and how they yeah and that we we discussed

511 00:32:52.990 --> 00:32:55.650 that on the show because i saw that piece of 512 00:32:55.750 --> 00:32:58.730 footage and i was fascinated by it for sure uh 513 00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:03.890 but we don't know exactly what it means even Uh, 514 00:33:04.089 --> 00:33:06.890 given that, you know, there's limited information and there is 515 00:33:06.910 --> 00:33:11.440 a fascinating video, if you will, but that's that. And meanwhile, 516 00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.819 when that was dropped, it had been out on the 517 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.599 internet previous to that. So, you know, that's the other 518 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.559 confusing thing is stuff that's being disclosed, not really a 519 00:33:20.619 --> 00:33:24.680 disclosure that nobody's ever seen before either. Uh, I don't 520 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.569 know what that means. What are your thoughts there? 521 00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:26.740 Yeah. 522 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:33.059 There are tapes from NASA about the moon landings, spacewalks, 523 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:38.799 sightings of UFOs that the press thinks brand new. No, 524 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:44.420 they've been out there for ages. There are– one tape 525 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:48.220 that I heard a lot of discussion about a week 526 00:33:48.259 --> 00:33:53.160 ago was from the 1940s. And we've had a transcript 527 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.150 of that for decades. So that is confusing, but I 528 00:33:57.190 --> 00:34:01.359 think– The area that you're focusing on here, and this 529 00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:06.079 is the first area I looked at, is from a 530 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.800 national security standpoint, what is important is what's happening in 531 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.880 the United States. What is happening over and in around 532 00:34:15.019 --> 00:34:21.440 our military facilities in the United States? Our ICBM bases, 533 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:27.139 our strategic bomber bases, our Navy bases. Navy operations with 534 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.309 our missile subs and our atomic submarines. There's none of that. 535 00:34:31.630 --> 00:34:36.360 That is as if nothing ever happens there. Like, oh, well, yeah, 536 00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:39.599 they're UFO reports. They just are all overseas. Yet we 537 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:45.940 know from the media itself covering UFOs. We know things 538 00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:48.840 are happening. The public is seeing them. The public is 539 00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:51.900 talking about them. The media is covering them. But as 540 00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:54.800 far as these releases are concerned, it's as if they 541 00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:01.650 don't exist. So somebody clearly is making a decision not 542 00:35:01.690 --> 00:35:05.230 to make it visible in the same fashion. And that's 543 00:35:05.289 --> 00:35:09.550 in regard to what's being released by AARO in particular. 544 00:35:10.949 --> 00:35:16.320 They're not going back into the history. Pursue

is going 545 00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:18.699 back into the history and releasing that as if it 546 00:35:18.739 --> 00:35:22.530 was new. AARO is not going back into the history. 547 00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:28.429 So it's not examining the history of UFO activities in 548 00:35:28.469 --> 00:35:32.710 terms of a national security standpoint, the atomic energy complex, 549 00:35:33.309 --> 00:35:39.639 atomic sites, bomber sites. They're not bringing forth any information 550 00:35:40.219 --> 00:35:44.900 that can be used for strategic studies as we do 551 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:48.090 in our books. Now, our books, we think, do a 552 00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:52.769 really good job with that up to about 1975. And 553 00:35:52.829 --> 00:35:55.769 we think we could do a really good job up 554 00:35:55.809 --> 00:35:59.699 to the current times, except they're not doing any work 555 00:35:59.780 --> 00:36:02.920 to recover that and make it public. So what did 556 00:36:02.980 --> 00:36:06.840 go on around the missile bases, the bomber bases, the 557 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:17.909 subs between 1975 and 2015, let's say. If you really 558 00:36:17.949 --> 00:36:21.659 were serious about national security, you'd go back, you'd look 559 00:36:21.699 --> 00:36:24.639 for those reports, you'd collect them and try to do 560 00:36:24.699 --> 00:36:26.800 the same thing that we did in our books for 561 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.739 this more recent period. They're not doing that. So that's 562 00:36:31.340 --> 00:36:34.460 two different holes, two different gaps of information. 563 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.949 Well, not only that, but I'll tell you something else 564 00:36:37.010 --> 00:36:39.789 that I note here, and maybe it's just me being silly, 565 00:36:40.449 --> 00:36:45.389 but typically I'm thinking to myself that the technology is 566 00:36:45.510 --> 00:36:50.559 now commonplace among various service people on any boats, on 567 00:36:50.739 --> 00:36:56.940 any aircraft carriers, et cetera, et cetera, to, guess what, 568 00:36:57.099 --> 00:37:03.389 independently record some stuff. And we're not seeing that either 569 00:37:03.869 --> 00:37:09.110 actually coming out, which is odd because there's always loose leaks, 570 00:37:09.329 --> 00:37:13.590 you know, of stuff, especially if you're not necessarily in 571 00:37:13.610 --> 00:37:17.309 a combat zone where, you know, there's classified stuff that 572 00:37:17.349 --> 00:37:21.309 could be exposed, etc., etc. But I note that there's 573 00:37:21.369 --> 00:37:25.809 silence thus far in recent years, actually, even despite what's 574 00:37:25.849 --> 00:37:29.050 going on here, where disclosure is allegedly happening, according to 575 00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:33.599 the media. Um, there's none of this, you know, random 576 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:37.619 leak from a sailor, from somebody who's got a cell 577 00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:41.719 phone who happens to be on the deck during an incident. Uh, 578 00:37:41.780 --> 00:37:43.840 not saying that you're going to capture that stuff all 579 00:37:43.909 --> 00:37:47.610 the time, but seems to me like we should have 580 00:37:47.650 --> 00:37:49.650 a few of those pop up here. And I don't 581 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:51.190 see any of that happening either. 582 00:37:53.030 --> 00:37:55.030 We do have the anecdotal stories. 583 00:37:55.329 --> 00:37:58.090 Oh yeah. No stories. Right. But no stories. 584 00:37:58.150 --> 00:38:01.239 We don't have any imaging footage. Now, whether that means 585 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.119 that they just don't have time, it's at nighttime, they 586 00:38:05.139 --> 00:38:09.260 don't get– but, for example, we know in one of 587 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.670 the major incidents, the Tic Tac incident that we've discussed, 588 00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:15.510 there were a lot of sailors on that ship too. 589 00:38:16.489 --> 00:38:20.449 And there is video, but there is video only from aircraft. 590 00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:24.429 There is nothing from any sailor on the ship. There's 591 00:38:24.510 --> 00:38:27.619 nothing from any of the imaging systems on the ship either. 592 00:38:28.710 --> 00:38:32.690 you know, the Navy is like a black hole in 593 00:38:32.750 --> 00:38:36.800 terms of information about UFOs and UAPs, and frankly has 594 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.599 always been. The Navy never cooperated with the Air Force. 595 00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:45.780 The Navy never shared its incidents. There are a handful 596 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.079 that came into view over time, and only because they 597 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.719 became so widespread that it was not something being observed 598 00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:59.949 just by Navy ships, but The Air Force became involved 599 00:39:00.610 --> 00:39:06.650 as well, so we know about it. I've seen so 600 00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:12.510 many reports of Navy people and Marines talking about reporting 601 00:39:12.570 --> 00:39:14.889 an incident to the officer of the day, the officer 602 00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:17.340 of the deck, and just being told to shut up 603 00:39:17.389 --> 00:39:19.219 and go away. That's not going to go in the log. 604 00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:23.920 Just forget it. That's just been a standard practice. 605 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:25.199 Right. 606 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.900 So I'm a sailor, a common guy, and I say 607 00:39:27.980 --> 00:39:29.909 I saw a bright light over the side, and my 608 00:39:29.949 --> 00:39:32.190 commanding officer tells me, yeah, that didn't happen. 609 00:39:32.230 --> 00:39:33.099 I'm not logging it. 610 00:39:34.150 --> 00:39:35.289 That kind of thing, right? 611 00:39:35.750 --> 00:39:40.789 Navy ship logs are notoriously lacking technology. information of that 612 00:39:40.869 --> 00:39:42.269 sort um well. 613 00:39:42.190 --> 00:39:45.230 And that's not necessarily nefarious to be honest with you 614 00:39:45.269 --> 00:39:48.469 that practice from

what i understand is more about look 615 00:39:48.590 --> 00:39:50.389 i don't want to have to do the paperwork on 616 00:39:50.469 --> 00:39:53.250 that and it's going to go nowhere anyway so i'm 617 00:39:53.269 --> 00:39:56.590 not going to waste my time even memorializing that it 618 00:39:56.659 --> 00:39:58.579 happened well it's. 619 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.000 Yeah it's the same thing chuck and we see the 620 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:05.219 same thing with pilots historically pilots were loath to make 621 00:40:05.300 --> 00:40:08.780 reports because they would be challenged on the report they'd 622 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.179 not only be challenged by air traffic control or the 623 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.929 Air Force, they would be challenged by their companies. You 624 00:40:15.989 --> 00:40:18.489 do this a couple of times and maybe you're not 625 00:40:18.590 --> 00:40:21.489 going to be a command pilot anymore. You do that 626 00:40:21.550 --> 00:40:24.730 in the Air Force one time and sack and you're 627 00:40:24.949 --> 00:40:26.010 off flying duty. 628 00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:27.510 Right. All of a sudden you're grounded. 629 00:40:27.530 --> 00:40:28.369 There's a real risk. 630 00:40:28.449 --> 00:40:31.570 Right. You're grounded. Your career could change everything else. So, 631 00:40:31.610 --> 00:40:34.219 I mean, there is a pragmatic reason for it outside 632 00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:39.360 of just the inconvenience of paperwork. Um, and indeed, you know, 633 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.960 a commander of a ship might actually suffer the same 634 00:40:42.019 --> 00:40:44.300 way with the Navy too, right? If he's reporting too 635 00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:48.010 many crazy incidents, uh, you know what, maybe this guy 636 00:40:48.110 --> 00:40:52.119 is tired. You know, this kind of thing. Maybe he needs, 637 00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:54.900 you know, right? I mean, I'm not crazy when I 638 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:55.280 say this. 639 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.739 People started asking embarrassing questions about deployments. Like, how long 640 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.679 has that guy been on duty? Oh, 12 months without 641 00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:05.619 a break. Maybe he is saying things. 642 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.599 Maybe his rotation is too long and now he's hallucinating. 643 00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:11.739 And the same thing. And you definitely don't want pilots hallucinating, 644 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:15.139 et cetera, et cetera. And we know where that goes. Okay. 645 00:41:16.469 --> 00:41:18.489 So I'm just trying to say it's not necessarily about 646 00:41:18.510 --> 00:41:20.820 a cover-up. I'm just trying to say that sometimes it's. 647 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.659 A very– And that's why I refer to them in 648 00:41:24.699 --> 00:41:28.000 the op as they're just– these are just gaps in information. 649 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:28.480 Right. 650 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.579 In one sense, it's a gap about what's going on 651 00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:35.510 inside the continental United States that we're not seeing. In 652 00:41:35.570 --> 00:41:39.690 another instance, it's what went on in the United States 653 00:41:39.809 --> 00:41:44.010 between 1975 and 2015 that we're not seeing, and nobody 654 00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:48.750 is– is recovering. But the third thing is, is equally interesting. 655 00:41:48.829 --> 00:41:52.920 And this goes back to the congressional hearings and the 656 00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:58.920 whistleblowers and the people essentially who made very sensational comments 657 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.860 and who are very active in the meeting now, David 658 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.670 Grush and, uh, you know, uh, getting a lot of 659 00:42:06.730 --> 00:42:11.050 tension from remarks about what they were told by people 660 00:42:11.090 --> 00:42:16.769 they trusted, uh, aliens alien bodies living aliens. 661 00:42:17.030 --> 00:42:19.789 Uh reverse engineering reverse. 662 00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:25.840 Engineering of operational ufos right you know a gigantic cover 663 00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:29.380 group that's suppressing all this and league with you know 664 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:34.760 lockheed uh you know uh to bring technology well maybe 665 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.840 not to bring it out since we never we've not 666 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.219 really seen any any new propulsion technology we're going back 667 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.179 to drones that are you know, rotor-powered and jet-powered now. 668 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:52.550 It's not step-forward. So really sensational claims. And you would think, okay, 669 00:42:52.949 --> 00:42:57.730 you know, this is certainly within the purview of transparency 670 00:42:57.969 --> 00:43:02.679 on UFOs and UAPs. Neither of these groups, neither PURSU 671 00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:10.239 nor AARO, has the charter, has the tasking, has any 672 00:43:10.300 --> 00:43:16.190 intention of pursuing that. So Congress held hearings. Congress assembled 673 00:43:16.650 --> 00:43:22.550 whistleblower claims about things that are quite sensational. But actually, 674 00:43:24.190 --> 00:43:29.429 Congress passed legislation to protect the whistleblowers. And so what 675 00:43:29.489 --> 00:43:31.780 we would expect by now, because this has happened, this 676 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:34.460 is a couple of years ongoing now, is we should 677 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:38.650 know that whether this is a real thing or not. 678 00:43:38.969 --> 00:43:43.349 When somebody says they saw an alien body You know, 679 00:43:43.889 --> 00:43:46.039 where did you see it? When did you see it? 680 00:43:46.469 --> 00:43:48.789 Who showed it to you? Why did they show it 681 00:43:48.829 --> 00:43:53.130 to you? Was there no classification? You know, are they 682 00:43:53.190 --> 00:43:57.849 violating an oath? Are you violating your oath, by the way? 683 00:43:58.349 --> 00:44:01.989 You put it into the system,

and you're protected, supposedly. 684 00:44:02.409 --> 00:44:04.949 So where are the whistleblower reports on you, okay? Mm-hmm. 685 00:44:08.250 --> 00:44:12.050 But we should be at a point where you trace 686 00:44:12.090 --> 00:44:16.250 this back to, yeah, there really was a body somewhere sometime, 687 00:44:16.269 --> 00:44:21.099 and can we investigate that? There really was a craft. 688 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:27.519 Can we investigate that? We should be there after two years, 689 00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:30.610 and we're not. And as far as I know, there 690 00:44:30.769 --> 00:44:38.480 is no body, no constitutionally– legislative-directed body that has a 691 00:44:38.539 --> 00:44:42.199 charter to do that. That was the most sensational part 692 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.000 of those hearings has just been a let go after 693 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.210 Congress did pass legislation to protect the whistleblowers, but there's 694 00:44:49.289 --> 00:44:53.349 nothing to drive the process of investigating their claims. Now, 695 00:44:53.809 --> 00:44:57.710 this gets into the fact is it is possible. Legislation 696 00:44:57.769 --> 00:45:02.969 has been proposed to create an investigative body to do that. Now, 697 00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:07.510 you and I both know that congressional investigative bodies in 698 00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:13.050 and of themselves are a hard road. They have to 699 00:45:13.090 --> 00:45:17.489 have subpoena power. They have to have people doing investigations 700 00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:20.989 that have clearances that will get them what they want. 701 00:45:21.789 --> 00:45:24.550 But that sort of body could be set up, but 702 00:45:24.590 --> 00:45:31.199 it's not. So we're left with, again, books coming out, 703 00:45:33.210 --> 00:45:39.239 TV programs being aired with frightening claims, not just sensational, 704 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.579 not just, oh, there are aliens. Yeah, I'm going to 705 00:45:41.619 --> 00:45:44.840 tell you there are aliens, okay? Our books tell you 706 00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:48.480 why we think there are aliens, why there are non-human intelligences. 707 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:53.780 But these are frightening claims about a decades-long cover-up, people 708 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.949 being killed to protect knowledge, corporate interest. You know, this 709 00:45:59.389 --> 00:46:04.820 is heavy-duty stuff. And it's– It's scaring people. I will 710 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.150 tell you the numbers of shows I go on, people 711 00:46:07.210 --> 00:46:10.960 are just scared about this as anything that I've seen. 712 00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:16.059 about the fact that there truly might be hostile aliens 713 00:46:16.179 --> 00:46:18.179 in league with the government. 714 00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.179 That's the issue right there, is the level of hostility 715 00:46:21.219 --> 00:46:25.050 that's being represented in these claims and in the counterclaims 716 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.050 and in the cover-ups that are covered up. So really quickly, 717 00:46:30.150 --> 00:46:33.230 before I let you go, is there a public link 718 00:46:33.409 --> 00:46:35.969 that we can go to to read your op-ed? Or 719 00:46:37.889 --> 00:46:39.949 right away, where is it? 720 00:46:40.789 --> 00:46:43.110 No, we're working on that. I'll send you the link 721 00:46:43.150 --> 00:46:46.789 when it's up. That op-ed actually didn't get picked up. 722 00:46:47.210 --> 00:46:50.130 I wrote one that did get picked up. This one 723 00:46:50.170 --> 00:46:54.480 hasn't been picked up by the media anywhere. So we're 724 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.000 going to put it on our team site, and I'll 725 00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.380 send you a link for that when it happens. 726 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:01.420 Okay, great. 727 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.739 I've also written another paper, a 10-page paper, dealing with 728 00:47:05.780 --> 00:47:10.679 some of these fear factors and why– They probably are 729 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.440 not something to be concerned about. That will be going up, too. 730 00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:19.219 My friend and co-author Ian has been on vacation for 731 00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:22.739 about a month. He left me all by myself. It's 732 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.039 kind of like, okay, Ian, now you need to get 733 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:26.860 back to work. You've got to put this stuff up. 734 00:47:27.469 --> 00:47:30.030 Got to link it. So I'll be sending those to you, Chuck, 735 00:47:30.070 --> 00:47:33.059 but they're not available right now, unfortunately. 736 00:47:33.139 --> 00:47:35.280 No, no problem. I just figured I'd ask. I mean, 737 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.739 I'm grateful that I got to see it before it 738 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.960 was published, but whether it's up on the site there, 739 00:47:42.059 --> 00:47:45.900 which I'm sure I'll have the link for that for 740 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.550 you guys to follow regarding the studies that are going on. 741 00:47:49.630 --> 00:47:52.610 Still ongoing, despite the fact that books are being released online. 742 00:47:53.530 --> 00:47:57.050 You know, the studies are still necessary and still, as 743 00:47:57.110 --> 00:48:00.230 I said, ongoing. So, Larry, anything you want to say 744 00:48:00.289 --> 00:48:03.190 before I let you go? Because we're right at that limit. 745 00:48:03.750 --> 00:48:07.730 The final comment on what the ongoing studies consist of. 746 00:48:07.829 --> 00:48:12.409 We are in phase two of our pattern study, our 747 00:48:12.469 --> 00:48:15.909 trend assessments and everything of the period from 1976 to 2026. Right. 748 00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:25.869 We've started out, we scanned and collected 400,000 UFO reports. 749 00:48:26.570 --> 00:48:31.489 We used AI to boil that down to 30,000. We 750 00:48:31.630 --> 00:48:35.190 used AI and some very hard-nosed curation standards to bring 751 00:48:35.210 --> 00:48:39.340 that

down to 3,000. And now I'm engaged in actually 752 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.440 curating it again to come up with a data set 753 00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:46.320 for what we need. But I got 3,000 reports to 754 00:48:46.340 --> 00:48:48.940 wade through and so far in Two and a half months, 755 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.469 I've made it through 300. So, yep, we're working on it. 756 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:58.570 So 10% you've gotten through because your careful analysis does 757 00:48:58.650 --> 00:49:01.349 take a little bit of time. So, you know, listen, 758 00:49:01.369 --> 00:49:07.050 AI can't do everything, folks. How about that? Okay. That's 759 00:49:07.070 --> 00:49:10.889 just one of my go-to comments lately. AI can't do 760 00:49:10.929 --> 00:49:14.670 it all. Uh, just saying, cause people are leaning into 761 00:49:14.710 --> 00:49:17.389 the AI now and I just, I'm shaking my head, 762 00:49:17.469 --> 00:49:20.579 but anyway, maybe we'll talk about that more on. Thursday 763 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.599 or Friday on the show. But thank you, Larry Hancock, 764 00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:26.519 for coming on, clarifying, and going over this op-ed, which 765 00:49:27.019 --> 00:49:29.099 I can't wait until it's published. People got to read it. 766 00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:31.760 And I want to see if anybody else is a 767 00:49:31.780 --> 00:49:34.880 little confused by what they see, because I'm still a 768 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.079 little confused. I mean, Larry cleared up a lot for 769 00:49:37.099 --> 00:49:40.440 me tonight. But when you guys read this, it's not 770 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:45.159 Larry's fault that I'm confused, okay? But it's a confusing thing. 771 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.199 I'll leave it at that. 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