Fullständig transkription av Embracing the Pivot: Why Tabitha Brown's Advice Hit a Nerve

Well, given her background and just the context of her total brand and personality. 00:07:04.770 --> 00:07:09.608 I am personally not offended by that opinion. 00:07:09.608 --> 00:07:19.951 And let's be clear, it's her opinion, right, and it's her opinion based on the collection of her experiences. 00:07:19.951 --> 00:07:28.193 So oftentimes we look to successful people and we want to know how they got it done. 00:07:28.193 --> 00:07:31.567 You know what was their mindset, what were the specific steps they took. 00:07:31.567 --> 00:07:33.647 We look to them for advice and counsel. 00:07:33.647 --> 00:07:40.764 She's offering free advice and counsel again from her perspective on her social media channel. 00:07:40.764 --> 00:07:48.743 But what was a little concerning is the minute people don't like what that is. 00:07:48.743 --> 00:07:53.940 Then they add some other layers to it that may or may not have been there. 00:07:55.022 --> 00:07:58.509 Exactly, and I should note that Tamitha is also. 00:07:58.509 --> 00:08:08.488 She's also very open about her faith, and so in the video she says you can have a dream, you can have a goal, you can have a vision that God has given you and you can still have a job while pursuing it. 00:08:08.488 --> 00:08:11.101 Talking to people who burnt all their bridges up? 00:08:11.101 --> 00:08:17.493 You burnt your bridges because you refused to get a little side hustle or job, to have income coming in while pursuing your passion. 00:08:17.493 --> 00:08:21.488 I'm not talking to people who are trying to get jobs. 00:08:21.488 --> 00:08:23.786 I'm not talking about the people who do have a little job. 00:08:23.786 --> 00:08:24.911 I'm Victor Stillheart. 00:08:25.060 --> 00:08:36.933 I'm not talking about you, and this was an Assemblant video that she needed to post to clarify because there was such outrage and such a strong response. 00:08:36.933 --> 00:09:00.531 I was actually really surprised by how strong the response was to what she said, because I thought what she said was emblematic of the conversations that I've been having seeing had among so many entrepreneurs. 00:09:00.531 --> 00:09:04.030 You know, I think it's just part of the journey, right? 00:09:04.030 --> 00:09:14.013 Entrepreneurs have that journey where there's ups and downs and sometimes you know those pivots are important to sustain yourself. 00:09:14.013 --> 00:09:19.445 I don't think anybody's asking for you to start in the messy minute, right? 00:09:19.445 --> 00:09:23.693 No, it's just one pathway, right? 00:09:23.873 --> 00:09:34.912 So many of the previous models of entrepreneurship really looked like a very straight line to success. 00:09:34.912 --> 00:09:41.732 You work hard, you dig deep, you focus, you ignore everything else around you and success will come to you. 00:09:41.732 --> 00:09:47.089 And that really happens for a few people, right. 00:09:47.089 --> 00:09:55.593 But, like you said, the messy middle people really don't talk about the messy middle because it is messy, it's not clean and clear. 00:09:55.593 --> 00:09:59.083 Talk about the messy middle because it is messy, it's not clean and clear. 00:09:59.083 --> 00:10:02.951 But that's the part that people really need to understand is it's not this straight shot to the top. 00:10:03.051 --> 00:10:09.911 Many times you have to, as we talked about in the beginning, pivot and pivot a few times, not just one time. 00:10:09.911 --> 00:10:16.693 It might be three, four, five, 10 times, until you get to the place where you need to be. 00:10:16.693 --> 00:10:58.196 And when I hear her say that, I feel like she's specifically talking to the people where it may just not be working in the way that you envisioned it right now and you're struggling and you have a choice, that's choices to continue the struggle and suffer, to have that amazing story where you rise to the top right, which could be possible, or you pivot to create some stability for yourself so that you can now refocus and do what you have always dreamt to do. 00:10:58.196 --> 00:11:00.868 That's what I hear from what she says. 00:11:01.841 --> 00:11:03.408 I think that makes a lot of sense. 00:11:03.408 --> 00:11:08.444 And you know I mean during marketing. 00:11:08.444 --> 00:11:15.355 You know I understand the value of having the straight shot story. 00:11:15.355 --> 00:11:30.830 It's easy to digest, it's quick, it's punchy and it's aspirational and for many people it's inaccessible. 00:11:30.830 --> 00:11:52.657 Yeah, so we know that for many entrepreneurs, especially entrepreneurs who are women, that that messy middle is complicated by familial obligations, whether it's children, parents, significant others. 00:11:52.657 --> 00:12:23.699 There's tons of things that can tug at your attention and there's rarely the expectation that you silo yourself and dig in and focus and wear the same T-shirt three months in a row and eat ramen, you know, for a year there are women who are doing it, but that's rarely the expectation for some of the unicorns or the women that we see. 00:12:23.699 --> 00:12:43.777 Right, the expectation is that you are friendly, that you're affable, that you're likable, that you're doing great work and you look great doing it, and that just seems kind of disjointed. 00:12:43.777 --> 00:12:50.513 Right, it doesn't seem aligned with the more marketable story, but you were the marketing expert, so I defer to you there. 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:56.604 I mean, no, that's true, we always want to have a great story to tell and as an entrepreneur, you're supposed to build that story right. 00:12:56.604 --> 00:13:09.144 People buy into you as a person, rather than to the brand, more readily the brand you're trying to build, and sometimes that's synonymous with the brand, and as you get bigger, than those things separate. 00:13:09.144 --> 00:13:12.108 And so I think that story is critical. 00:13:12.108 --> 00:13:20.507 But the other piece too, which is, I think,

part of the story, is access to capital, and women have less access. 00:13:20.507 --> 00:13:22.673 Black women have lesser access to capital. 00:13:23.400 --> 00:13:30.334 I could just kind of think of, in my past, for example, my friend and I. 00:13:30.334 --> 00:13:35.973 We always wanted to be entrepreneurs and we were really fond of experimentation. 00:13:35.973 --> 00:13:47.980 At one point I had my job at HBO, but I was still doing my entrepreneur ventures on the side and at some point I stopped working. 00:13:47.980 --> 00:13:55.126 I actually left HBO and went to another company, but I left that company to go full throttle on the music business. 00:13:55.126 --> 00:14:02.893 We were in music at the time and we started our own independent record label and we put out an artist and she was doing really, really well. 00:14:02.893 --> 00:14:26.487 However, we ran out of money and so that actually stopped that business, that independent record label, which, by the way, I'm pretty sure we were the first female Black-owned independent record label If not the first, then maybe the second. 00:14:26.487 --> 00:14:28.333 But we were pioneers in that space. 00:14:28.333 --> 00:14:32.810 But because we lost access to capital, that was the end of that story. 00:14:34.622 --> 00:14:35.600 And so that's really critical. 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.247 I'm not the most worried, by the way. 00:14:37.247 --> 00:14:45.450 I just want to make clear to our listeners that I too am learning this for the first time and endlessly impressed once again. 00:14:45.450 --> 00:14:47.384 So more on that later. 00:14:47.504 --> 00:14:58.556 But okay, yes, but anyway, I'm just telling that story to say that there's so much further that she and I could have gone if A we had access to capital. 00:14:58.556 --> 00:15:25.526 B particularly in the music industry, people really didn't take us seriously as women because of who we were, and even while we were doing it, we put a man in front of us who worked for us, but we put him as, like, the main face in order to get access to certain rooms and situations to help us, you know, get to where we wanted to go. 00:15:25.526 --> 00:15:27.632 But ultimately it came down to the money. 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:46.475 So you can have a great story, but it has to be backed by that access and that capital, and that's something that you know we all, well, many of us lack in the same way that they don't have access to, in the same way that other groups may have access to it. 00:15:47.280 --> 00:16:08.581 Right, right, right, right. 00:16:08.581 --> 00:16:09.843 And to put some numbers behind it. 00:16:09.843 --> 00:16:12.229 On average, we know that women tend to receive less than 1% of any sort of venture capital. 00:16:12.229 --> 00:16:15.016 Black women especially get less than half a percent and it's closer to a quarter of 1% than anything. 00:16:15.016 --> 00:16:15.918 And that is troubling for a lot of reasons. 00:16:15.918 --> 00:16:26.754

Right, because you are now having to bootstrap every last bit of your business, every payroll, every new program. 00:16:26.754 --> 00:16:29.822 Right, it gets expensive. 00:16:29.822 --> 00:16:36.105 And so you know, I know that from my experience, you know that from your experience. 00:16:36.206 --> 00:17:18.886 So, in seeing Tabitha speak about this, I didn't at by this in any particular way, but for me it was more so if we scope out, even sharing her opinion, where we see a lot of headlines about 300,000 Black women, within the past six months, I believe, or you know, having lost their jobs. 00:17:18.886 --> 00:17:22.614 And this being, what does this mean for the American economy? 00:17:22.614 --> 00:17:36.763 What does it mean, not only for these women in this group but the country, these women in this group, but the country? 00:17:36.763 --> 00:17:44.150 A lot of people seem to take what she said as insensitive in light of that happening, and I see them as two different conversations. 00:17:44.150 --> 00:17:49.049 But I again, I don't know With that backing does it? 00:17:49.049 --> 00:17:51.000 Do you receive her messaging any differently? 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:51.039 I? 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:51.299 don't know. 00:17:51.299 --> 00:17:53.020 With that backing, do you receive her messaging any differently? 00:17:53.020 --> 00:18:41.728 No, because I think one thing that we as users of these platforms, as people who engage with these different personalities, have to understand or remember is, yes, context in the moment matters, but we also have to layer in full context of the person's brand, personality and experiences, and so no one wants to be judged for one moment right Without that full context, and I feel like that's what happens way too often when people speak out about something. 00:18:41.728 --> 00:18:52.699 Social media is, in many ways, an informal opportunity to connect with your audiences. 00:18:53.662 --> 00:19:14.904 It would be much different for me if she did a written piece in Forbes or wherever, because there's an opportunity to you know, research different aspects of that and formulate an opinion about you know the topic in a more in-depth and meaningful way. 00:19:14.904 --> 00:19:33.309 This is a clip, essentially right, and it does not, to me, represent her full opinion about anything Like you want to be able to have a discourse with her, like if we were on a panel or a fireside. 00:19:33.309 --> 00:19:39.543 She would make that comment and we'd do some back and forth around it and then you would have fuller context. 00:19:39.543 --> 00:19:54.034 So we need to allow people that grace and too often everything is looked at in a very siloed way and judged and blown up from that perspective, and that's why it doesn't change anything for me. 00:19:55.419 --> 00:20:04.454 Yeah, and that's really my concern is is it too late for us to consider context? 00:20:04.454 --> 00:20:07.704 Is it too late for us to value context? 00:20:07.704 --> 00:20:16.908 Because, again, I, I admit I prefer longer form social media because it is hard to gain context. 00:20:16.908 --> 00:20:36.241 You have to be immensely talented to get your point across in 90 seconds or less and even then people are going to want you to expound, to go further, to share other opinions, found to say you know to go further to share other opinions. 00:20:36.241 --> 00:20:39.426 So a longer form really does lend itself to getting the message across. 00:20:39.426 --> 00:20:46.842 But the timeline is is harsh, right, that's so many impressions. 00:20:46.842 --> 00:21:05.581 Before she could, she had to put out a second video to clarify her statement because of and I wonder if sometimes there's a commitment to misunderstanding, you know, so that people can get across whatever it is that they want to platform, right, so you know. 00:21:05.961 --> 00:21:07.624 I agree with that. 00:21:07.624 --> 00:21:14.972 The social discourse isn't always honest and meant to elicit positivity. 00:21:14.972 --> 00:21:25.951 It is meant to stir the pot in many ways, and also we're intrigued by that. 00:21:25.951 --> 00:21:30.125 We're being honest, right, we like the controversy. 00:21:30.125 --> 00:21:32.611 Let's also be honest. 00:21:32.611 --> 00:21:36.868 Would we be talking about this if there was no controversy today? 00:21:36.868 --> 00:21:53.096 And so we all contribute to that in some form or fashion and have to be critical about what we're viewing, what we're seeing, right? 00:21:53.096 --> 00:22:04.009 It's just like now, when I'm on social and I see a video, I have to now ask myself is this AI? 00:22:04.009 --> 00:22:14.082 Yeah, and it's getting harder and harder To tell the difference, just for our listeners. 00:22:14.182 --> 00:22:23.174 You know the videos of the cats flipping pancakes, or you know dogs jumping on trampolines, you know, and they can be really great. 00:22:23.174 --> 00:22:28.291 Right, look at this security footage of these bears enjoying time on a trampoline. 00:22:28.291 --> 00:22:32.129 It's not real, you know. 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:41.990 But then there are other things that are people interacting in a certain way and you're like wait a second Right. 00:22:41.990 --> 00:22:44.846 Is this real or did this really happen? 00:22:44.846 --> 00:22:46.050 I love the thinking. 00:22:46.090 --> 00:22:47.552 You know what do the hands look like Exactly? 00:22:47.552 --> 00:22:50.341 What do the hands look like Exactly? 00:22:50.341 --> 00:23:10.323 Sometimes you'll look in the background and people's faces are distorted in these really gnarly ways, and so you have to again. 00:23:10.343 --> 00:23:15.858 You probably spend more time trying to discern whether or not it's AI than you did, consuming the content Exactly, and we can even pull it back. 00:23:15.858 --> 00:23:43.971 Sometimes because of what's going on out there in the world, people will post content that actually is old, but we don't

know that it's old and we think it is happening today because it adds to whatever discourse is going on, and so we're also not used to doing the research to vet the information for ourselves, and it's a lot of work to do it when you're really on the platform to be entertained. 00:23:44.051 --> 00:24:03.471 For the most part, you want to have this three, five, seven minute video and then continue to scroll without a second thought, and that also lends itself to increasingly binary thinking. 00:24:03.471 --> 00:24:05.835 That concerns me. 00:24:05.835 --> 00:24:15.929 So if I agree with her or disagree with her, then turns to I love her, I hate her and everything else is just confirmation bias at the same right. 00:24:15.929 --> 00:24:23.059 So I generally have a positive view of Tabitha Brown. 00:24:23.059 --> 00:24:34.309 I find her to be warm, at least from what I've seen and how she conducts herself, and she's availing herself of the internet. 00:24:34.309 --> 00:24:44.151 Right, this is part of the internet and I can hold space to say, oh, I agree with this point. 00:24:44.151 --> 00:24:45.625 Maybe I don't agree at this point. 00:24:45.625 --> 00:25:01.272 Maybe, you know, I can hold space for the nuance, but that space is rapidly shrinking for all of us, right, because if you don't agree with everything, you're an enemy. 00:25:03.461 --> 00:25:08.866 Yeah, and that space and grace is really important because we're also making assumptions. 00:25:08.866 --> 00:25:25.608 So we're assuming or these, the dissenters, are assuming that she knew about she knew the jobs numbers, like they're assuming that she's relating it to that, they're assuming that that all of this is part of her Right. 00:25:25.608 --> 00:25:36.144 But the people who are defending her, like me and you, we're also assuming that she didn't know All right, or that it wasn't part of it. 00:25:36.144 --> 00:25:39.026 We don't know at the end of the day. 00:25:39.026 --> 00:25:56.197 So part of me is like okay, ask her and then, once she answers, then you can have an opinion about that answer Right, and it could still go down a rabbit hole. 00:25:56.197 --> 00:26:01.990 If she says, no, I wasn't aware, then you can be like well, how don't you know? 00:26:02.010 --> 00:26:03.378 How did you not know this? 00:26:03.378 --> 00:26:08.487 Yeah, these people support you and this is not what you're doing. 00:26:08.487 --> 00:26:20.182 You know there's no grace, because it could be I was on a flight and I didn't pay for the Wi-Fi. 00:26:20.182 --> 00:26:22.144 I was taking a nap, I was spending time with my children. 00:26:22.144 --> 00:26:30.284 There's so many reasons and ways that it could say she could be shooting her show and in the middle say you know what? 00:26:30.284 --> 00:26:39.826 This is something that I've been feeling, that's been on my heart Again, maybe informed by private conversations that she's had with people in her circle who have said you know what? 00:26:39.826 --> 00:26:47.265 I need to supplement my income because what I thought would support it did not In the past. 00:26:47.265 --> 00:26:56.179 She's spoken about her journey to being an actress and how she's had to do things in the interim and lean on her husband for support. 00:26:56.179 --> 00:27:01.141 And you know, again, she didn't take off. 00:27:01.141 --> 00:27:18.406 Take off right until the pandemic, when she was at home, like the rest of us at home, like the rest of us, decided to make content about her life, her lifestyle choices, eating food, all that type of stuff. 00:27:21.627 --> 00:27:24.009 Who knew Exactly. 00:27:24.009 --> 00:27:31.390 And so her journey, when we talk about pivots too, is like a very slow start and then boom, which is great. 00:27:31.390 --> 00:27:33.231 But it took a while to get to this point. 00:27:33.231 --> 00:27:37.413 And now she's here and she's offering her perspective. 00:27:37.413 --> 00:27:42.494 We also don't know, like why did she even decide to make that comment Right? 00:27:42.494 --> 00:27:45.175 Like what prompted her to do that Right? 00:27:45.175 --> 00:27:47.476 What could be a simple answer? 00:27:47.476 --> 00:27:53.038 Of course I'm making this up, but she could have been somewhere talking to somebody who was struggling in this moment. 00:27:53.038 --> 00:28:08.086 She gave that piece of advice and she was like oh you know, maybe I should just share that with everyone because that could help a few more people, Like I helped this person who thought it was good advice, I mean, you know. 00:28:08.086 --> 00:28:34.903 So, again, nuance, grace and space, I think, are key lessons we have to take from anything we engage with on the internet, and also to your point about recognizing our own biases and how that plays into how we view what we engage with. 00:28:35.846 --> 00:28:49.368 Right, Right, Because I think even to interpret it in a way that is harmful is to suggest that even having to do that would be. 00:28:49.368 --> 00:29:02.948 There's something shameful about it, you know, uh, which could could lead to another conversation, but I just, I don't know, I don't know. 00:29:02.948 --> 00:29:23.035 And so when I, when I think about the E word, when I think about pneumonia and that life well lived, it's to me uh, often being grounded and admired in conflict and helping people see their way through right, Closing that gap between what we want and what we're experiencing. 00:29:23.035 --> 00:29:28.403 Very often, the key to closing that gap is embracing the change that you're confronted with. 00:29:28.964 --> 00:29:45.840 Yeah, and so when I see this, when I see these pivots, you know, or these plot twists, as I like to call them, very often it leads to things that you didn't know. 00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:52.557 You know who knew the Brown kept sending out, you know her headshots and said staying away from social media. 00:29:52.557 --> 00:30:00.538 I don't know that she would be household name, I

don't know that she would be in people's cupboards and, you know, on people's TV screens. 00:30:00.538 --> 00:30:06.537 But you know, here she is, I guess. 00:30:08.886 --> 00:30:13.476 And she's using the platform and there's going to be good and there's going to be bad with it. 00:30:13.476 --> 00:30:20.034 That comes with it, and I mean you have to be ready for any of that. 00:30:20.034 --> 00:30:29.047 But one thing you said made me just want to pose this question, although I'm not sure how to really word it, so I'll say it and then maybe I'll have to correct it. 00:30:29.047 --> 00:30:52.233 But when we think about conflict and we think about the people making comments and we just talked about some of the just genuinely like dishonest commentary why do people want to have this conflict? 00:30:53.134 --> 00:30:53.895 Or specifically, why do they? 00:30:53.915 --> 00:30:55.297 want to have this conflict with her? 00:30:55.297 --> 00:31:13.318 Right, because they could easily watch it and keep moving, yeah, and not environment at all Right, but they choose to engage in this and create this level of conflict. 00:31:13.318 --> 00:31:27.573 That's hard to manage, I think, because you're trying to Tabitha is trying to, especially with her second post right Communicate. 00:31:27.573 --> 00:31:32.047 No, I didn't mean this, I meant that, but she's kind of doing it one way. 00:31:32.047 --> 00:31:43.891 So we have access to this person to say all sorts of positive and inflammatory things, and their ability to respond is limited in the traditional country. 00:31:44.793 --> 00:31:46.155 Right, absolutely. 00:31:46.155 --> 00:31:51.926 So I'm just going to check really quickly because I don't want to misquote my numbers. 00:31:51.926 --> 00:32:06.697 Um, when it comes to, when it comes to Threads, which is the space where I saw this, she's actually an Emmy Award winning host. 00:32:06.697 --> 00:32:12.301 We forgot that, but she has 1.1 million followers. 00:32:12.301 --> 00:32:16.946 She can travel the ground. 00:32:16.946 --> 00:32:17.907 You're absolutely right. 00:32:17.968 --> 00:32:28.138 Her ability to respond to however many responses there were to that video severely limited. 00:32:28.138 --> 00:32:30.320 Okay, she just couldn't. 00:32:30.320 --> 00:32:45.545 It's not going to happen, okay. 00:32:45.545 --> 00:32:54.170 Okay, so there were, with that particular post, 649 people directly responded, even then, sizable the number of people it reached. 00:32:54.170 --> 00:33:00.438 So people reposting it or quoting it over a hundred people doing that. 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:17.116 So if you and you may say, okay, it's only a hundred, to sit there and make a hundred different videos to respond to what people are saying, to make 649 different videos to type out 649 different responses, it's not happening. 00:33:17.116 --> 00:33:25.228 Most people do not have the time or interest in doing that. 00:33:25.228 --> 00:33:28.135 So I think, to answer your question, why do people do it? 00:33:28.135 --> 00:33:36.867 Because in platforms, it's always going to benefit them, right, in this particular space, there's a power imbalance. 00:33:36.867 --> 00:33:45.599 But the great thing about social media is that you have access to people you normally wouldn't have access to. 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:53.056 You might have written a strongly worded letter before, whereas now you can post a video response. 00:33:53.056 --> 00:34:05.019 You can tag Tabitha and if she responds to you, that vaults you to a level of visibility you would never have reached otherwise right If she chooses to respond. 00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:09.510 Her 1.1 million followers may have eyes on you. 00:34:09.510 --> 00:34:14.798 And then the question becomes do you have anything of value to offer? 00:34:14.798 --> 00:34:19.918 Response, right, that's the challenge with virality, right? 00:34:19.918 --> 00:34:28.295 You know a lot of people, I think, get that huge dopamine rush saying, oh my gosh, all of these people are liking or commenting, or you know whatever. 00:34:28.295 --> 00:34:31.954 The question is what happens after that? 00:34:31.954 --> 00:34:34.146 What else do you have to offer? 00:34:34.146 --> 00:34:48.065 And if it's just simply to show up to disagree with a particular figure, that's not much, I don't think. 00:34:49.306 --> 00:34:57.896 I mean, you're right, you know I oftentimes, when I'm, you know, on Instagram or whatever, I decide if I'm going to comment or not. 00:34:58.677 --> 00:35:04.971 And part of my decision making is does it really matter if I comment or not? 00:35:04.971 --> 00:35:10.244 Why do I feel the need to comment positively or negatively? 00:35:10.244 --> 00:35:21.512 Because I actually am not looking for anyone to respond to me, to be honest, and sometimes I do comment. 00:35:21.512 --> 00:35:33.380 Most of the times it's just about I feel like I need to express my feelings and move on, and sometimes my feelings aren't that nice, and those are usually when I don't comment. 00:35:33.380 --> 00:35:33.922 Usually. 00:35:33.922 --> 00:35:38.625 I'm not saying never Cause. 00:35:39.005 --> 00:35:41.771 I'll write something out and then I'm like, am I doing this? 00:35:41.771 --> 00:35:48.748 And then I delete it, so like I I understand the whole what comes next part is a very important question. 00:35:48.748 --> 00:35:51.693 You need to ask yourself, like, why are you doing this? 00:35:51.693 --> 00:36:02.853 Do you need to just express yourself yeah and it's one and done and keep it moving, or do you really want to engage in a meaningful dialogue and debate different points of view? 00:36:02.853 --> 00:36:08.925 So I think also the medium matters. 00:36:08.925 --> 00:36:26.025 Yes, as I complained to you before, you introduced me to Reddit and so you know, occasionally I will post my opinion and go back and forth with various people. 00:36:26.306 --> 00:36:26.907 Right. 00:36:26.907 --> 00:36:47.255

Right, because you have long form responses, you're also willing to get long form responses and people have a little bit more space to be nuanced and thoughtful Not that they always are, but there's more space to discuss things you know in depth. 00:36:47.255 --> 00:36:51.059 So, quick, quick, bravo. 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:54.688 Housewives tangent. 00:36:54.688 --> 00:36:56.092 It's relevant, I promise. 00:36:57.313 --> 00:37:41.206 Karen Huger of Real Housewives of Potomac fame was recently released after serving almost a year for her driving while under the influence, and local news stations were interviewing people who showed up, one of which was a woman who became Reddit famous if that is a thing because she went to the public trial and she was posting live updates of Karen's trial during the trial, so much so that the judge had an open warning saying you know, whoever is posting should stop. 00:37:41.206 --> 00:37:44.351 You know, and so she's. 00:37:44.351 --> 00:37:56.934 There are thousands of people who now and she herself, she's an accountant right, I'm an accountant, I work from home. 00:37:56.934 --> 00:38:01.644 My boss also loves the show and is like totally fine with me being here. 00:38:01.644 --> 00:38:02.688 You know, so it was. 00:38:02.688 --> 00:38:23.588 It makes the world smaller and in some ways it can be affirming and nice to know that the world is smaller in that way, and then other times, you know, not so much um, and then other times, you know, not so much. 00:38:23.610 --> 00:38:24.311 I mean you're right, I mean so. 00:38:24.311 --> 00:38:27.625 I mean we're talking about tabitha, we're talking about the pros and cons of social media. 00:38:27.625 --> 00:38:32.382 You know, there's a definite pro, which is, again, we also talk about access. 00:38:32.382 --> 00:38:33.304 It gives people access. 00:38:33.304 --> 00:38:37.752 It gives people a voice in a way that wasn't there before. 00:38:37.752 --> 00:38:42.288 I think another episode we should talk about is that voice good or like? 00:38:42.288 --> 00:38:45.456 What was the world like when we didn't have that level of access? 00:38:45.456 --> 00:38:46.971 Was it better or was it worse? 00:38:46.971 --> 00:38:48.250 And what are the pros and cons of that? 00:38:48.250 --> 00:39:02.813 Because the fact that an accountant can just become Reddit famous for, you know, posting about housewives is like crazy, but also amazing in the same vein, right. 00:39:02.813 --> 00:39:04.088 So what is that Right? 00:39:08.469 --> 00:39:11.353 Before she was anonymous, she could just post. 00:39:11.353 --> 00:39:24.837 But now people don't like the way she looks, or people want to dig more into her life, or, you know, they disagree with her opinion and then they, you know, reach out to her business Like that's the the double-edged sword of it all. 00:39:24.837 --> 00:39:26.686 That's true. 00:39:27.085 --> 00:39:27.806 But I'll, I'll. 00:39:27.806 --> 00:39:31.630 I'll point this part

will agree, which I like. 00:39:31.630 --> 00:39:45.411 All right, I like very much and I will upvote them. 00:39:45.411 --> 00:39:46.474 They agree. 00:39:46.474 --> 00:39:49.610 And then the people I disagree with. 00:39:49.610 --> 00:39:59.327 I don't like, however, and it might take me longer to respond, but I will always respond, I, and it might take me longer to respond, but I will always respond. 00:39:59.347 --> 00:40:09.384 And I'm practicing risk trying to respect that other point of view, because I post my house life stuff, so I have a very strong opinion about it and I feel like everybody should agree with what I'm saying. 00:40:09.384 --> 00:40:29.489 So this is actually training me to respond to people of a complete opposite opinion about something, for whatever odd reason I deeply care about and have a fruitful dialogue right when there's an agreement to disagree or I try to find a point of agreement. 00:40:29.489 --> 00:40:44.936 And even if they're coming for me because they don't know it's me, but they're coming for me, I recognize it's not personal because they don't know who I am Right and I'm intentionally trying to flip it so that they now feel bad for disagreeing with me. 00:40:44.936 --> 00:40:56.538 No, they will still disagree, but we've gotten to a place where, if we were actually in the same room, we wouldn't be fighting about it. 00:40:56.864 --> 00:40:58.884 Because sometimes it will start off as a little bit of fight. 00:40:58.884 --> 00:41:04.284 So that's my personal challenge to myself when I ever see someone that disagrees. 00:41:04.284 --> 00:41:07.949 So I would just encourage the viewers to kind of take this tactic. 00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:17.911 It's a very safe way to practice this art of conflict resolution on social in a very weird way. 00:41:17.911 --> 00:41:31.413 But I like to do everything, you know, I like everything that I do to kind of teach me something, especially if I'm spending hours on it for some ridiculous reason, and so this is one of my methods. 00:41:32.134 --> 00:41:40.507 So to speak and, like you said, it's easier to do on Reddit, it's harder to do on Instagram or a little bit on threads too. 00:41:40.507 --> 00:41:47.090 But I want everyone to just stop and think. 00:41:47.090 --> 00:41:55.313 Leverage our five virtues, so just want to save them for everybody. 00:41:55.313 --> 00:41:58.873 You know Sophia, which is you know understanding why something matters. 00:41:58.873 --> 00:42:02.195 P is for nieces, which is use good judgment. 00:42:02.195 --> 00:42:05.856 E is episteme, which is know the facts. 00:42:06.257 --> 00:42:06.596 Know. 00:42:06.596 --> 00:42:09.557 The facts Come with the receipts people. 00:42:10.338 --> 00:42:18.001 Yes, and it's for noose, which is trust your intuition and technique, which is make it real. 00:42:18.001 --> 00:42:36.592 So, at the very least, we want people to use good judgment, we want people to know the facts and we also want people to understand why all of this matters and then leverage context in trying to understand why all this matters and then when you actually comment which is making it real be thoughtful in those responses. 00:42:36.592 --> 00:42:42.444 What's the last one? 00:42:43.726 --> 00:42:45.711 I'm upvoting you for the. 00:42:50.148 --> 00:42:56.679 Sounds great to me, so we'll leave it there. 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:59.409 Then We'll leave it there. 00:42:59.409 --> 00:43:04.572 So if you commented on Tabitha's post, go back and check your comments and make sure the spent framework applies. 00:43:04.572 --> 00:43:06.211 That's your action item. 00:43:06.211 --> 00:43:16.529 Yep, alright, brittany, it's always fun talking to you you too, see ya, bye bye, mina Mina.