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Now we are recording. Now? This is pure gold. No. Are we doing this? Yes, we are.
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All right. So I guess we're going to talk about Danny Rowland's scream.
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I don't think we should say scream. He is, his story is what inspired scream.
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Yes, for sure. So let's talk about him. What did he do?
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Sorry. So this podcast is usually, it's me and my sister Julie, but.
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I actually have my friends, Kayla and Kevin.
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Hi, guys. Hello. It is Halloween night.
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So, yes. So, we are going to talk about Danny Rowling. Danny Rowling.
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Danny Rowling. He's known as the Gainesville Ripper.
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He was an American spree killer who murdered five college students in Gainesville, Florida.
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Yeah, I think he had way more victims than that. But more specifically,
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those five girls he killed, college students, it seems like that was really what did it for him.
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Because he started these murders in 1990, and he was trialed,
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deemed the killer by early 90s, and then died in about mid-2000s.
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But his story is what really inspired the Scream movie franchise that we're all so familiar with.
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He is not someone I was familiar with. I know that before we decided to talk
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about this, I had to do a lot of research.
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Like he started with robbing just grocery stores and different businesses across
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the South, which landed him in a few different prisons between Georgia,
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and Alabama, which I guess he had actually escaped from and then started doing.
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A few other murders. But it seems like his dad was quite the influence in all
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of this by beating his mother numerous.
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And she tried, supposedly tried several times to leave him.
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But apparently that was unsuccessful to say the least.
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Yeah, his name was James Harold Rowland. It seems like he was a veteran of the US Navy.
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He was also a police officer. But it sounds like he must have had a lot trauma
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that kind of influence a lot of Danny Rowland's behaviors.
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It sounds like when we were doing a little bit of research about this,
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we found out that he was being abused by his dad a lot as a young kid.
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There was a lot of things that I was doing that was very traumatizing.
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It sounds like one of the things he did do was he killed a family pet and he
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died in his arms. Obviously, that's extremely traumatizing.
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One of the things that's most interesting about this killer,
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though, is that it seems like he had a lot of factors that pointed to this being
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a possibility we've discussed over,
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numerous times that not everyone is born a killer right yeah but there are things
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that happen that kind of lead you to that point and it sounds like those things
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were very evidently present in his life yeah and a lot of it was caused by this
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man in his life his father,
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I also saw that it seems that Rowling was actually in the air force for quite
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a short period of time but still.
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Deserve to be noted. And he actually got married to somebody while he was in
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the Air Force who got pregnant and they had a baby girl.
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And then shortly after the couple divorce, which looks like about two years
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after the baby was born, that was when he first committed his first crime of rape.
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So and then it looks like from there, he kind of just bounced around and created
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kind of some petty robbery with grocery stores and some other businesses.
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But it seems like from there, he kind of seemed to spiral again and ended up
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in prison again and ended up in a jail in Mississippi before he attempted another escape from there.
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Yeah, he definitely has some history, definitely of i don't know he's not a good guy but he,
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later he confessed to raping several victims committing a triple homicide in
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his home city of louisiana he attempted to murder his,
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father in may of 1990.
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And he confessed killing eight
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people he's not really good guy he was sentenced to death for the five,
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Gainesville murders of 1994 and he was executed by lethal injection.
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So yeah basically what had happened it seems like in early August or rather
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late August in the 90s he began attacking young college women.
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It seems like there was a total five students of the five. One happened to be
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from Santa Fe College but the other four happened to be from Gainesville Florida
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and he mutilated a lot of his victims bodies.
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He decapitated one of them and then posed her in positions to act a shock value
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to whoever found her it just seems that when he did a lot of these attacks it was very.
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Gruesome it was very aggressive he had no he didn't give these victims a thought or ever felt bad for them
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he had a lot of these people he killed in groups of two a lot of his victims
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when he would go into these apartments he wouldn't just find one of them he'd
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find two of them and he would kill both of them he'd always start one work his way with the other,
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i did read part of one of his murders he had attacked a college student who
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had came home from playing racquetball and she had returned home at some point and he,
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obviously attacked her raped her killed her thought he lost his wallet and actually
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came back to her apartment thinking that he might have left it there
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finished decapitating her and then pose her body in different positions to add
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like i mentioned earlier shock value to the fact that she was gonna not just
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found dead but also found completely.
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Decapitated and abused and obviously the murder scene was i'm sure it was extremely gruesome,
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it's interesting though because he liked sexually provocative positions he proposed
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them in these sexually provocative positions to kind of again to add a shock value,
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the fact that not only were they dead and not only were they found dead but
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they were found in these weird positions as well,
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he also liked to take a shower in the apartments before he left yes he did do
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that he would murder both victims, and they would take a shower,
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would clean up, and then he would,
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He felt that he had no brush. He didn't need it. Now it seems like he took his
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time at every single scene.
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Oh, yeah. Whether it was posing the bodies or mutilating them,
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sexually assaulting them, cleaning himself up, posing.
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Not just all that, but even going back and doing that one girl I talked about
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who was like outlay and then she came back from being out with her friends.
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He returned back to that home later that night and actually ended up decapitating
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her. He had not done that first. He decapitated her and then set
her body in
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certain positions because he thought that there would have been a shock value to that.
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It's interesting because one of the things I love about cases like this is that
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it's always, it's so obvious.
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How come sometimes it's reading about it and you're thinking,
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oh my God, yes. Oh my God, yes. Oh my God, yes.
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Obviously me and Laurie, we have experience in inpatient behavioral health psych.
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A lot of times we get referrals from hospitals when patients,
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so part of our jobs, we work in behavioral health psych.
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And part of our job is we get patients who will come in, they have been off
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their meds for an amount of time. And our job at our facility is to stabilize
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them, make sure that they have outpatient services, and then discharging them.
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And what's interesting is that whenever I'm doing research on these type of
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killers or trying to figure out their motives or what really went on in their
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lives that led them to these points, a lot of times I feel like I'm reading a referral.
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A lot of what I read at work is very similar on the things that you typically
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hear about type of people, killers, we could say.
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There's a lot of similarities like abuse as a child, abuse by a parent.
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What should have been a safe space or safe home and it wasn't actually safe,
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right? They were getting abused and or put in positions by adults that they
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thought should have kept them safe and they weren't keeping them safe.
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Was very interesting and it was predictable that's really the word i was i guess
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i was trying to think of is predictability is so,
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the fact when you find out who these people are you get a background a history
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and physical of who they may be or who they were it,
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always checks off certain boxes and we tend to see these boxes in a lot of our
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psych patients when they come in especially when i'm reading a referral and
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then i'm reading a police case it almost always sounds the same
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but why is it that not everyone ends up as a killer what protective factors
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do they have in their lives that have,
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inhibited them from reaching that point in their life that they feel they have to kill someone.
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It could be a family member. It could be a supportive family.
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It could be supportive tools. These people are in and out of hospitals.
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They pick up tools in their lives to de-escalate themselves,
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de-escalate certain situations. And it kind of brings up the question like...
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What happened to them have every reason to end up being a killer.
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They have all the things, all the protective factors that all these other killers have.
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They're checking off all the boxes, but they don't end up killers.
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I feel like some of these ones that are like your big name killers are before
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our health care and our even,
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mental health and our psych is not where it should be.
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I feel like a lot of these people beforehand fell completely under that radar
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yeah you see schools in november they are calling 911.
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An average of probably 70 to 4 times a day to send kids out from literally from,
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first grade all the way up to your 12th grade yeah that they want to be
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evaluated they're super aggressive they're not falling into fractions everything
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like that and i feel like these schools are sending out kids.
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Left and right to get evaluated so in that sense i feel like they're,
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a bigger net that is being casted absolutely yeah absolutely try to get them
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i love that you just mentioned this because we talk about stigma a lot when
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it comes to psych right psych diagnoses it's so stigmatized and a lot of it is because it's not,
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psych diagnoses aren't measurable there are some symptoms that you're able to
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observe but i've always said this and i truly,
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by this psych is one of the hardest specialties to work in health care because,
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when you have a patient who is complaining of all the same symptoms they come
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up to the hospital they have congestive heart failure,
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you could pull out 10 people out of a group of people who come in who are complaining
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of congestive heart failure and they all have the same they're tacky,
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they're hypertensive all the things like this and their legs are,
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They just look very much alike. You could pull the same two psych patients,
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right? They're both diagnosed with
schizoaffective disorder.
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Their psychoses are not the same. Oh, 100%. And so what my job as a healthcare
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patient is to send them in line with your diagnosis.
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Even though right now you're talking to me about how the sky's,
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I know enough to know the sky's in purple. My job is to figure out,
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where's your mind? Are you, right?
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Your baseline, right? Because that's also hard too. We never have a baseline for all humans, right?
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Blood pressure should be 120 over. Blood sugar shouldn't be above 90. X, Y, and Z.
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No measurable tool that lets you know when a patient has or when a person has
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met their limit, they've reached their limit and now they need to help to get
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them back to where they need to be. There is no measurable tool.
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I guarantee you the three of us sitting right here are probably on at least one psych med.
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And my baseline is not going to be the same as either one of you.
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We could be on the same medication and that is...
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Our tolerance levels are very different. That doesn't mean anything.
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I think, too, we see that so much in social media now that people bring up depression, anxiety.
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Everyone knows what depression and anxiety is now. It is so talked about.
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It is incorporated as a child in school. You've talked to any kid,
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do you know what depression and anxiety is?
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They will most likely be able to explain it to you to some degree.
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They won't know word for word how to express it to you or how to explain it
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to you, rather, but they can express it to you.
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Our boys, they do what's called mindfulness school, and they teach them how
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to, if you're feeling overwhelmed,
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they teach them certain techniques that, okay, you take a step back or you count to 10 or you do whatever.
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There's a thousand and one different techniques that you can use.
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But they're even teaching it as young as five years to how to regulate if you're feeling,
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overwhelmed or angry or sad or whatever so they're learning this at such a young
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age which is so different from probably when the three of us were kids absolutely
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i didn't think about it now,
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when you think about a working family mom and dad are both working when we go
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back to the 80s mom Mama's not working.
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Mama's home. She took care of the kid. It was her role.
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Nowadays, both mom and dad have to work. It is a necessity in order for us to
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be, to just keep moving in life. If.
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Mom and dad are not present and they're not presently home to have these conversations
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with these kids i do think it's important that they're having them at school like,
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these are safe locations these are safe people they're identified safe people and our kids,
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sit with them we teach this is your teacher this is what they look like this
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is who you're going to talk to when you have a problem you go to this person,
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it should be happening in those locations and it and again brings up the question
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like back in the 70s back in the 80s back in the 90s when this was a huge issue
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when social media wasn't so easily readily available,
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we really don't have a clue about the extent of what mental health crisis kind
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of looked like we know a little bit what we do know is from these documented
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police cases we that's where we get a lot of our information when we think 40 50 years,
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we learned in psych was never evidence-based practice it wasn't something,
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could just pick up a book from had the we had these diagnoses that were outlined,
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were part of the dsm-5 which back then it wasn't even a thing,
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but it took a lot of research it took so much time it took way more time than
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before this person was alive and died i should truly understand the extent of
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what mental health can lead a person to become or,
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i feel like we really haven't had a substantial,
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really impactful serial killers since really social...
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Of course, there were some that obviously created multiple murders,
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and they were gruesome, and whatever.
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Not to take away from any of that.
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But I feel like we haven't had...
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We haven't had somebody...
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Smiley face kill your boss yeah is the are you guys familiar with the idaho
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murders yes so again college students right three college their boy one of their
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boyfriends in a house and they're,
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one
night to the next unprovoked unannounced i wouldn't really understood why
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where when and it was truly a gruesome murder and yeah,
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so fun now because with social media and the way things work this killer he
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was found based off of cell phone pings right satellite data it wasn't.
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Wasn't just that the evidence and they were able to lead it to him it's like,
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there was also there was evidence but on top of that there was evidence we're
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able to ping that that caused them to then find out,
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resolve the murder case that would have never happened 20 years we would have
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never 20 years ago found a murder within a lead these murders happening it was
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not a thing has never of anything there's so,
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signs behind a lot of this stuff there's dna now dna is huge it made a huge
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difference in this industry because it biologically ties you to a,
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biologically identifies a person and so that's so important that has made a
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huge difference a lot of people's lives,
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our fans for this podcast so i have my friend kayla and my friend kevin we've,
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so like we have not me and Julie.
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I'm like, I don't know, Julie, where are you at? Yeah.
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This bitch is sleeping. Oh, bitch. No, I ain't no language. She's being fake
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busy right now. She's what?
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Being fake busy right now. She's being fake busy.
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We got together. We did this on a whim. Like we said earlier,
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we're three healthcare professionals. Obviously, we have a lot of it's upfield.
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We understand mental health.
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This podcast is very derived off mental health and these stigmas that unfortunately
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give off the wrong picture.
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I think one of the best things that has happened to the world of mental health is social media.
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There's a lot of negatives and a lot of positives. I would say that the biggest
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positive is that we talk about it now. And that has never happened before.
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You have to talk about it in order for you to get somewhere you have to be able
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to talk about these things and what happens is that when there was like not
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so much there wasn't supportive research data there was nothing out there that,
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you could read and identify
with it,
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i can these things are familiar with me within deal with trying to get better,
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those conversations never took place they never happened and that's the difference now i mean.
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Like there are so many people that we respond to as a,
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she does a lot of 911 calls there are so many people that we respond to that,
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ton of medications that they're on and i have looked at a patient's med list and i'm like,
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you know what girl you're having a hard time you know what high five because
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we're on three out of the same that but i had a walk in the other day,
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she came and she was like oh my I didn't know where to go I drove my car here
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I'm getting in a patient like at Sycaspo and she was like oh I know.
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Just have to, like, I need to go, like, somewhere where, like,
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I just, like, someone can, I'm, like, all right. So she has two kids.
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And I'm, like, do some harm. It was.
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Two young kids. Infections, but, like, I still need help.
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It was relatable to you. I remember you being, like, I don't understand.
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It was relatable, and I was, like, oh, my God. I remember the director called
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me, and she was, like, hey, we have a walk-in. I'm, like, oh,
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my God. Like, I can't even do this right now.
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And so I go up and then she's like, literally talking to me.
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And I'm like, I don't want to be sectioned. I don't want to be like inpatient.
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But I just need something. Like you need help. You need help.
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It wasn't until my first was at probably between six and eight months old.
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And I was just at my primary care office. And we had taken our first trip without
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our kid. We were going out to Sonoma.
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I was so excited because we, like, love, wine, everything.
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And it wasn't until we got out there and I went into full-blown,
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like, panic. And, like, I spent the entire time so worried about him.
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And even though, like, he was literally with, like, my mom and my husband.
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People you trusted. It wasn't he was with anybody. It does not matter.
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And I had went to my doctor afterwards and I was like, I literally,
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like, we were walking over.
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We were just like, we went on like a walk on like a pier.
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And I honestly thought that my six-month-old, who barely could even hold his
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fucking head, for swearing. I don't know if that's allowed on that.
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But I was legitimately afraid that my six-month-old,
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who could barely hold his head up because he was a preemie, was going to be
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able to unstrap himself from the stroller and literally just,
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like, swan dive off of a bridge. Yeah, it's like this unrealistic fear.
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But, and, like, the healthcare in me knew he could literally,
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like, he could physically not do this. Yeah.
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But the psych portion of it. You had convinced yourself that it was a possibility.
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I had totally convinced. And I looked at my healthcare provider.
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And I was like. What babe?
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All right. Say goodbye. Say it. Do something nice. All right.
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This is fun, guys. I hope you enjoyed this little quick. Yep.
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We're going to go back to handing out candy. Yeah. And dealing with a haunted
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house. Yeah. That is so true. Yeah.
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All right, guys. I hope you have a good one. Happy Halloween.
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Make sure you take your meds. Love you all.
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Bye. All right. I'll leave it. We're going to go home, baby. Yeah. Yeah.