Fullständig transkription av Data Centers and Sustainability: Balancing Growth with Environmental Responsibility

about when they say power grids and can delay the 83 00:03:58,579 --> 00:03:59,939 transition to clean energy. 84 00:03:59,939 --> 00:04:04,655 So when you're moving into right now, it's creating a high electrical demand, and we 85 00:04:04,655 --> 00:04:09,615 should technically I mean, if they did a whole field of fucking solar panels, I mean, they 86 00:04:09,615 --> 00:04:12,094 bought the land, that's clean energy to me. 87 00:04:13,230 --> 00:04:13,629 Right? 88 00:04:13,629 --> 00:04:14,030 And then 89 00:04:14,349 --> 00:04:17,790 Why are they building so far south in Alberta? 90 00:04:18,270 --> 00:04:20,990 Like, it's in Sturgeon County is where they're looking. 91 00:04:21,069 --> 00:04:21,710 Mhmm. 92 00:04:22,270 --> 00:04:23,470 Why in Sturgeon County? 93 00:04:25,165 --> 00:04:25,725 Don't know. 94 00:04:25,725 --> 00:04:26,845 Why not farther north? 95 00:04:26,845 --> 00:04:28,605 Conservatives to sell their land. 96 00:04:29,645 --> 00:04:30,764 Why not farther north? 97 00:04:30,764 --> 00:04:34,525 Why not further away from a major urban center? 98 00:04:35,245 --> 00:04:36,285 It's a great question. 99 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:38,669 I don't know. 100 00:04:38,669 --> 00:04:41,709 I mean, I know I'm supposed to be pro, but I'm pro with caveats. 101 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:42,029 Right? 102 00:04:42,029 --> 00:04:45,709 I mean, obviously, I don't think it's be it shouldn't be like Ohio where they just build it 103 00:04:45,709 --> 00:04:47,949 in their backyard, and you're like, what the hell? 104 00:04:50,394 --> 00:04:50,714 Right? 105 00:04:50,714 --> 00:04:51,354 Because there's what? 106 00:04:51,354 --> 00:04:54,394 There's Sturgeon Sturgeon County is one. 107 00:04:57,754 --> 00:05:00,154 There's Rocky View County, North Calgary. 108 00:05:00,954 --> 00:05:01,354 Yeah. 109 00:05:01,354 --> 00:05:02,394 I'm in Rocky View County. 110 00:05:03,129 --> 00:05:03,529 Right. 111 00:05:03,529 --> 00:05:04,009 Wonder Valley. 112 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:05,289 County is huge. 113 00:05:05,289 --> 00:05:07,449 Rocky View County is huge, if we're gonna be honest. 114 00:05:10,649 --> 00:05:11,129 Right. 115 00:05:11,129 --> 00:05:16,009 There's one forty two kilometers south of Grand Prairie in Wonder Valley. 116 00:05:19,055 --> 00:05:21,535 East Gibbons, Sturgeon County, that's proposed. 117 00:05:22,335 --> 00:05:24,095 Big Deer Fox Creek. 118 00:05:27,775 --> 00:05:31,375 So most of it looks to be in Alberta, one in British Columbia, which is Thales. 119 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,680 Quebec is actually under construction. 120 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,120 So in Levy. 121 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,240 Levy. 122 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,279 I don't even know how say that. 123 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,319 I don't speak French. 124 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:44,879 Ontario is there's an expansion underway. 125 00:05:47,305 --> 00:05:48,345 New Brunswick. 126 00:05:48,584 --> 00:05:49,544 So not a lot. 127 00:05:49,544 --> 00:05:51,305 Not a lot compared to The United States. 128 00:05:51,704 --> 00:05:55,144 But something I was looking into so, I mean, power, okay. 129 00:05:55,144 --> 00:05:56,665 I mean, who knows? 130 00:05:56,745 --> 00:05:57,305 Who knows? 131 00:05:57,305 --> 00:06:00,410 Because, I mean, like, if we were gonna do electric for all these cars, then you should 132 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:03,449 figure we should have the necessary infrastructure for power to handle it for data 133 00:06:03,449 --> 00:06:04,090 centers. 134 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:07,449 Now the question is because there's lot of people who don't wanna get electric cars. 135 00:06:07,930 --> 00:06:11,770 So that would now give some more affordability of time to figure out the power situation to 136 00:06:11,770 --> 00:06:12,650 make that better. 137 00:06:13,209 --> 00:06:16,444 But there's also things like water. 138 00:06:16,444 --> 00:06:17,004 Okay. 139 00:06:17,164 --> 00:06:19,004 Why are they using potable water? 140 00:06:19,164 --> 00:06:21,404 Why aren't they using closed loop systems? 141 00:06:23,404 --> 00:06:24,044 Redesign. 142 00:06:24,044 --> 00:06:25,324 Redesign your HVAC. 143 00:06:26,649 --> 00:06:27,129 K. 144 00:06:27,129 --> 00:06:32,089 You switch to cogen, trigen, which is stuff that really does work, and it actually would 145 00:06:32,089 --> 00:06:33,610 create electricity as well. 146 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:35,689 K. 147 00:06:35,849 --> 00:06:36,250 Right? 148 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:37,370 So there's another way to do it. 149 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:38,569 Colder climates. 150 00:06:38,569 --> 00:06:41,435 So let's think of, for example, so we talk about water. 151 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:45,675 If you did it in a closed loop system, say for example, you're really far north. 152 00:06:45,835 --> 00:06:46,154 Right? 153 00:06:46,154 --> 00:06:50,475 You go down in an aquifer, you do a closed loop system, like a geothermal closed loop system. 154 00:06:50,634 --> 00:06:55,370 So with some sort of antifreeze inside of it, you go down, you get the really, really cold 155 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:56,970 water, you come up, you use it. 156 00:06:57,129 --> 00:07:00,250 You can either go back down on the ground, but then you're gonna be heating up the ground. 157 00:07:00,329 --> 00:07:01,289 But just lay a loop. 158 00:07:01,289 --> 00:07:03,689 I mean, you've got these huge fields around these data centers. 159 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:07,529 Lay a loop on the ground because cold air already start to acclimate that in the 160 00:07:07,529 --> 00:07:10,935 atmosphere, then bring it back down to the ground so you're not overheating the core 161 00:07:10,935 --> 00:07:11,574 ground. 162 00:07:11,814 --> 00:07:13,655 So you're talking about like a research system? 163 00:07:13,814 --> 00:07:15,415 A total research system. 164 00:07:15,495 --> 00:07:15,895 Yep. 165 00:07:16,134 --> 00:07:16,775 Okay. 166 00:07:17,415 --> 00:07:18,055 Right? 167 00:07:18,055 --> 00:07:20,215 Mean,

you everything's about heat pumping. 168 00:07:20,215 --> 00:07:20,375 Right? 169 00:07:20,375 --> 00:07:21,975 Everybody knows the term heat pump. 170 00:07:22,055 --> 00:07:25,230 It's pushing heat one way creates cold on the other side. 171 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:26,590 Your fridge is a heat pump. 172 00:07:26,830 --> 00:07:27,870 A lot of people don't know that. 173 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:28,990 Your fridge is a heat pump. 174 00:07:28,990 --> 00:07:29,389 I know. 175 00:07:29,389 --> 00:07:32,270 Can hot air out of the fridge into the coil on the back of your fridge. 176 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:33,949 Mine's loud. 177 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:35,149 The what? 178 00:07:35,149 --> 00:07:36,350 Mine's loud. 179 00:07:36,589 --> 00:07:37,470 It's loud? 180 00:07:37,470 --> 00:07:37,790 Mhmm. 181 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:38,029 Yeah. 182 00:07:38,574 --> 00:07:40,014 Probably just an old compressor. 183 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:40,735 No. 184 00:07:40,735 --> 00:07:42,574 Because it's a new fucking fridge. 185 00:07:42,814 --> 00:07:44,975 And it was quiet, and now it's loud. 186 00:07:44,975 --> 00:07:50,175 And I've had the people come out and look at it like a few times, and they're like, I find it. 187 00:07:50,495 --> 00:07:53,455 It can just be like the coil on the back of the fridge has a loose screw on it. 188 00:07:53,579 --> 00:07:55,740 So just tightening that screw is just a vibration. 189 00:07:57,419 --> 00:08:00,779 Call the significant out whether or not it's mechanical noise or vibration noise. 190 00:08:00,779 --> 00:08:02,779 I'll call I'll call the I'll call the significant. 191 00:08:02,779 --> 00:08:03,419 Don't know. 192 00:08:03,419 --> 00:08:04,620 That's a blue job. 193 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:06,314 And what was that? 194 00:08:06,314 --> 00:08:07,194 What was the last one? 195 00:08:07,194 --> 00:08:07,595 Blue job. 196 00:08:07,595 --> 00:08:09,355 So water, you don't have to use water. 197 00:08:09,355 --> 00:08:11,675 I don't know why they're being afforded to use water. 198 00:08:12,795 --> 00:08:14,154 Like potable water. 199 00:08:14,475 --> 00:08:15,194 Right. 200 00:08:15,834 --> 00:08:16,955 Doesn't make any sense. 201 00:08:17,035 --> 00:08:21,040 Especially when you're close to a major urban center where you're actually gonna be taking 202 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,120 that water or where farming is happening. 203 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,680 Go north enough that there's not that much farming. 204 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,319 Right? 205 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:29,279 Go to more brick, rocky areas. 206 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:32,639 Which really upsets me because Alberta has a lot of egg. 207 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:33,279 Mhmm. 208 00:08:34,285 --> 00:08:35,085 Like, does. 209 00:08:35,085 --> 00:08:37,644 Like, this is where there's tons of ranches out here. 210 00:08:37,644 --> 00:08:39,644 There's we got wheat fields. 211 00:08:39,644 --> 00:08:42,125 We've got canola fields. 212 00:08:42,125 --> 00:08:43,245 We've got you know what I mean? 213 00:08:43,245 --> 00:08:49,009 Like, there's so much agriculture out here, and I'm just like, I'm sure the farmers are 214 00:08:49,009 --> 00:08:49,809 thrilled. 215 00:08:50,769 --> 00:08:52,769 Like, I mean, we've got the land space. 216 00:08:52,769 --> 00:08:54,769 We do have the fresh water in Canada. 217 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:59,649 That's I mean, 98% of the population, like, lives below The US borderline. 218 00:08:59,649 --> 00:08:59,889 Right? 219 00:08:59,889 --> 00:09:00,929 Like, it's that crazy. 220 00:09:02,615 --> 00:09:08,934 So we don't really have to worry about that so much, but you can also use saltwater. 221 00:09:09,815 --> 00:09:11,334 Meta already does this in Finland. 222 00:09:11,334 --> 00:09:12,454 They can use saltwater. 223 00:09:12,454 --> 00:09:13,654 You can go far enough north. 224 00:09:13,654 --> 00:09:14,934 You can go to the Hudson Bay. 225 00:09:14,934 --> 00:09:16,054 You can go to James Bay. 226 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:17,100 Right? 227 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:20,299 Apparently, there's a plan to put a dam across James Bay and Hudson Bay. 228 00:09:20,299 --> 00:09:20,779 I don't know. 229 00:09:20,779 --> 00:09:22,299 A dam or a bridge or something. 230 00:09:22,299 --> 00:09:23,419 That'll be interesting. 231 00:09:23,419 --> 00:09:24,620 A massive project. 232 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:27,980 But there's not a lack of cold water. 233 00:09:29,725 --> 00:09:31,804 We don't want there to ever be a lack of cold water. 234 00:09:31,804 --> 00:09:33,324 And then there has to be consulting. 235 00:09:33,324 --> 00:09:34,845 We still have indigenous land. 236 00:09:34,845 --> 00:09:36,764 Like, there still has to be consulting into that. 237 00:09:36,764 --> 00:09:38,924 It's no different than putting a pipeline in. 238 00:09:38,924 --> 00:09:39,324 Same shit. 239 00:09:39,324 --> 00:09:42,365 And then if you go in an area and there's nobody living there, use it. 240 00:09:43,549 --> 00:09:45,629 There's lots of land where there's nobody. 241 00:09:45,629 --> 00:09:47,389 I don't care if somebody says, you know what? 242 00:09:47,389 --> 00:09:49,389 Five hundred years ago, we used that property. 243 00:09:49,470 --> 00:09:50,990 Again, this is just my opinion. 244 00:09:51,069 --> 00:09:53,309 Five hundred years ago, we used it in the migratory. 245 00:09:53,309 --> 00:09:54,110 Don't care. 246 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:54,990 No one's living there. 247 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:55,789 No one's using it. 248 00:09:55,789 --> 00:09:56,429 We're gonna use it. 249 00:09:56,764 --> 00:09:58,044 So let me ask you a question. 250 00:09:58,044 --> 00:10:02,044 If you had a great big plot of land that you weren't using and someone just decided to throw 251 00:10:02,044 --> 00:10:04,924 all their fucking cattle on it or their goats on it and said, oh, 252 00:10:04,924 --> 00:10:05,804 we're just gonna be like, because 253 00:10:05,804 --> 00:10:07,565 it's not being used, are you gonna be

cool with that? 254 00:10:07,644 --> 00:10:11,404 The government expropriates land all the time for railways, highways, all the time. 255 00:10:12,089 --> 00:10:13,769 They do it with everybody else. 256 00:10:13,769 --> 00:10:15,289 Why don't they do it with indigenous? 257 00:10:15,289 --> 00:10:16,889 It's gotta be a bigger fight. 258 00:10:17,209 --> 00:10:17,690 No. 259 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:22,490 Just literally, if no one is using it whatsoever, like it's not fenced, it's not 260 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:25,065 maintained, it's not anything, There's no one living there. 261 00:10:25,065 --> 00:10:26,664 It hasn't been for like a hundred years. 262 00:10:26,664 --> 00:10:28,585 There's lots of places in Canada like that. 263 00:10:28,825 --> 00:10:29,625 I disagree. 264 00:10:29,625 --> 00:10:31,865 I think that they still have to consult with indigenous. 265 00:10:32,345 --> 00:10:33,144 It's their land. 266 00:10:33,144 --> 00:10:33,705 Why? 267 00:10:33,945 --> 00:10:35,225 Because it's their land. 268 00:10:35,225 --> 00:10:35,464 Period. 269 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:36,500 Is it? 270 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:40,259 There was a time when the land wasn't fucking riddled with all kinds of buildings and 271 00:10:40,259 --> 00:10:40,980 bullshit. 272 00:10:41,220 --> 00:10:44,179 Was a much simpler time, and you talk about the simpler times. 273 00:10:44,179 --> 00:10:45,940 So why am I gonna take that away from them? 274 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:46,980 I wouldn't take it anymore. 275 00:10:47,299 --> 00:10:48,419 Was it a simpler time? 276 00:10:48,419 --> 00:10:49,779 Food was readily available. 277 00:10:49,779 --> 00:10:51,220 Your hot water was readily available. 278 00:10:51,894 --> 00:10:53,334 Homes were readily available. 279 00:10:53,334 --> 00:10:55,495 The ability to transport was readily available. 280 00:10:55,495 --> 00:10:56,695 Was it simpler times? 281 00:10:56,774 --> 00:10:57,575 Was it easier time? 282 00:10:57,575 --> 00:10:58,214 For them. 283 00:10:58,534 --> 00:10:59,654 They didn't make hot water. 284 00:10:59,654 --> 00:11:00,774 They understood what fire was. 285 00:11:00,774 --> 00:11:01,575 They went hunting. 286 00:11:01,575 --> 00:11:02,534 They had berry pickers. 287 00:11:02,534 --> 00:11:03,414 They did all that. 288 00:11:03,414 --> 00:11:08,149 All of us on some level had to had to had to be able to survive. 289 00:11:08,149 --> 00:11:12,149 So we all did what we needed to do in order to survive depending on where you were in the 290 00:11:12,149 --> 00:11:12,389 world. 291 00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:14,389 I think And they did what they needed living now. 292 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:19,269 A simpler time where people didn't just come and then tell you how to fucking run your world 293 00:11:19,269 --> 00:11:20,230 and your your land. 294 00:11:20,585 --> 00:11:22,985 And why would I come in and do that all over again? 295 00:11:22,985 --> 00:11:24,504 I ain't I wanna be part of that. 296 00:11:24,504 --> 00:11:25,625 No fucking way. 297 00:11:25,705 --> 00:11:28,985 I'd be like I'd be standing on the side with them being like, yeah. 298 00:11:29,225 --> 00:11:29,865 That's true. 299 00:11:29,865 --> 00:11:32,105 Fuck you mean you're gonna take my shit again. 300 00:11:32,264 --> 00:11:32,985 That's true. 301 00:11:32,985 --> 00:11:33,705 You know what? 302 00:11:33,705 --> 00:11:34,904 Then give them the land back. 303 00:11:34,904 --> 00:11:35,865 Take the power lines. 304 00:11:35,865 --> 00:11:36,345 Take the cars. 305 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Delete the roads. 306 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,320 Get rid of all that stuff. 307 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,440 I'm sure they'll be happy. 308 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:44,320 Well, then you gotta do it to the whole thing, which means that all of us need to either adapt 309 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,759 or get the fuck out. 310 00:11:46,079 --> 00:11:46,480 Right. 311 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:47,279 And that's what I'm saying. 312 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:48,320 So nobody's using it. 313 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,440 Adapt or get the fuck out. 314 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,159 I agree. 315 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:51,360 I am not against it. 316 00:11:51,894 --> 00:11:53,174 I live in a teepee. 317 00:11:53,815 --> 00:11:54,615 Just sweat. 318 00:11:54,615 --> 00:11:55,254 I don't give a fuck. 319 00:11:55,254 --> 00:11:57,894 You can consult and still say, too bad. 320 00:11:57,894 --> 00:11:59,095 We're doing it anyway. 321 00:11:59,654 --> 00:12:04,549 My point is is that you you you have to let the person at the table be at the table. 322 00:12:04,549 --> 00:12:05,910 That's that's or runs the land. 323 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:06,790 You can't just be like, listen. 324 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:08,070 It's not being used anyway. 325 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,629 That's like the most arrogant fucking thing you can say. 326 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:12,149 To me, it's like, hey. 327 00:12:12,149 --> 00:12:13,669 This is a plot of land. 328 00:12:13,669 --> 00:12:15,910 Right now, we don't see anything occupying it. 329 00:12:16,144 --> 00:12:20,465 Can you let us know what is if there's a sacred portion of it, if it's something we can 330 00:12:20,465 --> 00:12:22,304 utilize, if it's something we can put in our plans. 331 00:12:22,465 --> 00:12:23,585 It's consulting. 332 00:12:23,985 --> 00:12:25,985 You're not you don't tell people. 333 00:12:25,985 --> 00:12:27,904 Michael, you don't like to be told what to do. 334 00:12:27,904 --> 00:12:30,919 I don't like to be told what to do or what I have to give. 335 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,079 We just we just talked about in the last episode. 336 00:12:33,079 --> 00:12:34,679 We are getting told what to do. 337 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:35,240 Exactly. 338 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,159 So why would we do it to other people? 339 00:12:37,959 --> 00:12:40,120 This isn't the government that's making data centers. 340 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,159 These are fucking

businesses. 341 00:12:41,995 --> 00:12:46,394 Who do you think who do you think they're gonna, a, pay their taxes to, probably getting 342 00:12:46,394 --> 00:12:48,394 government subsidies to build them? 343 00:12:49,195 --> 00:12:50,955 Don't It's still government approval. 344 00:12:50,955 --> 00:12:52,154 Ordered by the government. 345 00:12:52,475 --> 00:12:53,595 Still government approval. 346 00:12:54,990 --> 00:12:58,429 But they have to consult with indigenous, period. 347 00:12:58,429 --> 00:12:58,909 The end. 348 00:12:58,909 --> 00:13:00,269 Which which indigenous? 349 00:13:00,269 --> 00:13:01,389 All indigenous? 350 00:13:01,549 --> 00:13:02,590 Wherever the land is. 351 00:13:02,590 --> 00:13:03,789 If it's in Genesex, 352 00:13:03,789 --> 00:13:06,110 if it's in tree heavens, migratory. 353 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:09,495 So if they they might have started in Northern people all of them. 354 00:13:09,495 --> 00:13:10,375 They gotta consult with the 355 00:13:10,375 --> 00:13:12,774 chiefs on the land that they are going to, period. 356 00:13:12,774 --> 00:13:13,174 The end. 357 00:13:13,174 --> 00:13:18,294 If it is part of their land, then they have to consult with those chiefs that are part of 358 00:13:18,294 --> 00:13:18,454 those 359 00:13:18,454 --> 00:13:22,214 chiefs consult with every single one of them just in case they migrated through there at 360 00:13:22,214 --> 00:13:22,375 some point. 361 00:13:22,615 --> 00:13:22,855 The thing. 362 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:23,789 You could have a 363 00:13:23,789 --> 00:13:25,549 chief that says, absolutely. 364 00:13:25,549 --> 00:13:28,350 Here are the these these are the deals to the royalties, blah blah blah 365 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:28,910 blah blah. 366 00:13:28,910 --> 00:13:33,710 You're not gonna have every chief that says no, but they still need a seat at that table and be 367 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:39,710 and ask and have the questions asked to them and be part of that conversation as to why it 368 00:13:38,835 --> 00:13:41,795 could or couldn't work for their people, their treaty. 369 00:13:41,795 --> 00:13:44,195 You can't just eliminate them from the process. 370 00:13:44,754 --> 00:13:45,075 You sound 371 00:13:45,075 --> 00:13:45,795 like Danielle Smith. 372 00:13:46,035 --> 00:13:47,554 No one is there. 373 00:13:47,554 --> 00:13:49,475 No one has been there for a hundred years. 374 00:13:49,475 --> 00:13:50,195 It's not yours. 375 00:13:50,195 --> 00:13:50,754 I don't care. 376 00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:52,730 It's not yours. 377 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:53,290 That's dumb. 378 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:53,610 Period. 379 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:54,410 That's dumb. 380 00:13:54,410 --> 00:13:55,930 I totally disagree. 381 00:13:56,330 --> 00:13:57,210 No one's there. 382 00:13:57,529 --> 00:13:58,330 No one's there. 383 00:13:58,330 --> 00:13:59,290 Doesn't matter. 384 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:00,009 Hey. 385 00:14:00,090 --> 00:14:01,290 The moose are there. 386 00:14:01,690

--> 00:14:02,490 Well, know what? 387 00:14:02,490 --> 00:14:03,050 Did you The 388 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:04,009 bears are there. 389 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:04,730 Are you being 390 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:04,970 like that? 391 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:08,684 How much permission was given to build your house where you live now? 392 00:14:09,164 --> 00:14:10,365 How much permission did you get? 393 00:14:10,365 --> 00:14:14,044 When you bought that house, did you consult to make sure you bought that house to make sure it 394 00:14:14,044 --> 00:14:16,125 was free and clear of indigenous people? 395 00:14:17,245 --> 00:14:18,605 It already was. 396 00:14:19,404 --> 00:14:20,125 Was it? 397 00:14:20,125 --> 00:14:25,090 You have a letter showing that the chief agreed to build that house, that now you can buy it? 398 00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:26,370 When does it stop? 399 00:14:26,450 --> 00:14:28,370 Let me let me tell you something, Michael. 400 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:28,769 Yep. 401 00:14:28,769 --> 00:14:34,285 If an indigenous treaty came to me and said all of these houses were built on treaty land, And 402 00:14:34,285 --> 00:14:38,125 we're and and they were not provided to the government, and a builder came and took it from 403 00:14:38,125 --> 00:14:40,445 us because we weren't doing anything with it. 404 00:14:40,445 --> 00:14:41,804 It wasn't purchased from us. 405 00:14:41,804 --> 00:14:42,845 There wasn't an agreement. 406 00:14:42,845 --> 00:14:43,565 There was nothing. 407 00:14:43,565 --> 00:14:45,165 We're going to take ownership of your home. 408 00:14:45,165 --> 00:14:45,965 Would I be upset? 409 00:14:45,965 --> 00:14:46,365 Sure. 410 00:14:46,365 --> 00:14:50,179 I would ask them, can you give me something for my home so I can walk away because I paid into 411 00:14:50,179 --> 00:14:50,980 an investment? 412 00:14:51,059 --> 00:14:52,659 If they say no like they are in DC? 413 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,980 What if they say no like what's happening in DC right now? 414 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:55,699 What if they just say no? 415 00:14:55,699 --> 00:14:56,579 It's ours now. 416 00:14:58,419 --> 00:14:59,539 You go, oh, well. 417 00:15:01,375 --> 00:15:02,575 That's my due diligence. 418 00:15:02,575 --> 00:15:03,375 I fucked up. 419 00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:04,495 Should've paid attention. 420 00:15:04,495 --> 00:15:05,535 Oh my god. 421 00:15:05,535 --> 00:15:06,254 Really? 422 00:15:06,335 --> 00:15:07,774 It's your fault? 423 00:15:08,575 --> 00:15:13,855 It would be if if if this is actually treaty land that wasn't fucking cleared with anybody, 424 00:15:13,855 --> 00:15:16,575 and a builder just came on and said, well, you're not using it, so fuck. 425 00:15:16,575 --> 00:15:16,975 Here we go. 426 00:15:17,429 --> 00:15:17,750 No. 427 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,389 The government gave permission, but the government's not paying for it. 428 00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:21,269 It's actually their fault. 429 00:15:21,269 --> 00:15:25,429 Shame

on them for fucking taking something from somebody else and selling it to a bunch of 430 00:15:25,429 --> 00:15:26,470 people to build a profit. 431 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:27,830 Like, fucking shame on them. 432 00:15:28,070 --> 00:15:32,070 So for me, you're not gonna win on this one. 433 00:15:32,070 --> 00:15:39,565 Because to me, I've seen so much oppression just in being me that you're not gonna win. 434 00:15:39,565 --> 00:15:42,605 I'm I I'm not my heels are firmly dug here. 435 00:15:42,605 --> 00:15:43,004 Okay. 436 00:15:43,004 --> 00:15:46,924 So what about some of the Metis land that was stolen by the Iroquois? 437 00:15:47,289 --> 00:15:51,370 Should we give that back to the the Metis people, or should we let it still stay the 438 00:15:51,370 --> 00:15:51,850 Iroquois? 439 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:53,210 And just because, you know, it's a big deal. 440 00:15:53,210 --> 00:15:53,850 Those are big deal. 441 00:15:53,929 --> 00:15:55,610 Two treaties that has to deal with them. 442 00:15:55,610 --> 00:15:56,730 That is their issue. 443 00:15:56,809 --> 00:15:57,929 You don't get involved with that. 444 00:15:57,929 --> 00:15:58,809 But they're all Canadians. 445 00:16:02,745 --> 00:16:03,225 But it's 446 00:16:03,225 --> 00:16:03,384 their truth. 447 00:16:03,384 --> 00:16:04,585 I don't know. 448 00:16:04,585 --> 00:16:08,024 I mean, how far back in time do we need to go and you know, this is like a reparations 449 00:16:08,024 --> 00:16:09,465 discussion about it again. 450 00:16:09,785 --> 00:16:12,105 We need to just respect what's ours and what's not. 451 00:16:12,179 --> 00:16:16,339 We need to bring people to the table to consult with them to understand, is it something that 452 00:16:16,339 --> 00:16:18,339 can we can move forward with or we can't? 453 00:16:18,339 --> 00:16:21,700 You don't need to take it to all the things that have happened because if we go there, the 454 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:23,460 indigenous still fucking win. 455 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:27,220 So It's the answer the day at the end of the day, Mike. 456 00:16:27,375 --> 00:16:28,335 What's that? 457 00:16:28,335 --> 00:16:29,054 Don't you think. 458 00:16:29,054 --> 00:16:30,894 The answer will always be, yes. 459 00:16:30,894 --> 00:16:32,014 We don't want you to go there. 460 00:16:32,014 --> 00:16:32,575 We own it. 461 00:16:32,575 --> 00:16:34,254 We don't want you to go there unless you pay us. 462 00:16:35,615 --> 00:16:36,335 Regardless. 463 00:16:36,335 --> 00:16:38,014 A white person acts like that. 464 00:16:38,095 --> 00:16:38,254 Give 465 00:16:38,254 --> 00:16:39,534 me That's a what I'm just saying. 466 00:16:39,534 --> 00:16:40,575 A black person natures. 467 00:16:40,575 --> 00:16:41,134 A Chinese 468 00:16:41,134 --> 00:16:42,299 person acts like that. 469 00:16:42,299 --> 00:16:44,220 People inherently want something. 470 00:16:44,299 --> 00:16:48,220 They don't want some they if you want something of theirs, they're not gonna be like, oh,

yeah. 471 00:16:48,779 --> 00:16:52,940 When they know that they can probably benefit for their family or for themselves from it 472 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:56,139 financially, of course, they're gonna say they want something. 473 00:16:56,394 --> 00:16:57,595 You want something? 474 00:16:57,595 --> 00:16:59,355 Well, everything's for sale. 475 00:16:59,355 --> 00:17:01,034 Just depends on the price. 476 00:17:02,154 --> 00:17:03,355 What's your price? 477 00:17:03,434 --> 00:17:06,795 You want indigenous land to build your fucking data centers? 478 00:17:06,795 --> 00:17:08,554 What are you willing to do for them? 479 00:17:08,554 --> 00:17:11,914 And you better make it good because right now, Alberta's in a fight. 480 00:17:12,210 --> 00:17:15,809 And you've pissed and the premier has pissed them off exponentially. 481 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:19,970 So if you want something from them, you better come with your fucking pen and paper and be 482 00:17:19,970 --> 00:17:21,169 ready to play ball. 483 00:17:22,690 --> 00:17:23,250 I don't know. 484 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:25,649 This is all reparations payments, and I think it's stupid. 485 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:27,730 And I understand that you feel that way. 486 00:17:28,184 --> 00:17:28,664 Listen. 487 00:17:28,664 --> 00:17:33,305 Nobody nobody alive was really part of that, the hostile takeover of not 488 00:17:33,305 --> 00:17:33,945 saying they were. 489 00:17:33,945 --> 00:17:36,744 It doesn't negate the fact that there's still treaties that exist. 490 00:17:37,065 --> 00:17:38,585 Those deals were made well before 491 00:17:38,585 --> 00:17:39,065 us. 492 00:17:39,545 --> 00:17:39,865 Right. 493 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:47,519 So So we're has been made well before us from our grandparents, great grandparents, whatever, 494 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:53,359 and we're still holding those agreements, tried and true, that's the end of the story. 495 00:17:53,974 --> 00:17:59,894 So if nobody decided to amend the treaties at any point with the with the grandparents, great 496 00:17:59,894 --> 00:18:04,055 grandparents, and all the tribal chiefs that have come and gone through the years, if they 497 00:18:04,055 --> 00:18:08,970 decided that they didn't wanna change that, you're on treaty land. 498 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:11,049 You better fucking consult with them, period. 499 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:14,009 It's just my that's just my thought. 500 00:18:15,049 --> 00:18:15,450 Sorry. 501 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:17,289 I was getting a phone call there. 502 00:18:17,529 --> 00:18:18,730 Did you get a phone call? 503 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:19,049 Yeah. 504 00:18:19,049 --> 00:18:19,804 I was getting a phone call. 505 00:18:19,804 --> 00:18:20,285 It's calling. 506 00:18:20,285 --> 00:18:20,684 It's calling. 507 00:18:20,684 --> 00:18:21,325 Are you so popular? 508 00:18:21,325 --> 00:18:23,565 The thing is, I don't know enough about treaties. 509 00:18:23,565 --> 00:18:28,444 I look at it as if you go up in the middle of nowhere, no one's living, no one has 510 00:18:28,444 --> 00:18:32,605 documented, ever really lived, which there's lots of places in Canada like that, because 511 00:18:32,605 --> 00:18:33,484 it's uninhabitable. 512 00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:35,369 Right? 513 00:18:35,369 --> 00:18:37,210 Like, for that. 514 00:18:37,369 --> 00:18:37,690 Right? 515 00:18:37,690 --> 00:18:41,210 I'm sure there were migratory things, stuff migratory hunting. 516 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:41,529 Okay. 517 00:18:41,529 --> 00:18:41,849 So what? 518 00:18:41,849 --> 00:18:44,089 It's owned because you walked through it one time? 519 00:18:45,609 --> 00:18:49,690 I don't know, and I'm not interested in playing the who owns what game. 520 00:18:50,515 --> 00:18:55,394 But it is what's more importantly is that's available space rather than putting it right 521 00:18:55,394 --> 00:18:56,514 outside Edmonton. 522 00:18:57,474 --> 00:18:58,835 There's available space. 523 00:18:58,835 --> 00:19:00,355 Go use the available space. 524 00:19:00,434 --> 00:19:02,275 There's so much space in Ontario. 525 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:03,154 They should all be out there. 526 00:19:04,059 --> 00:19:06,059 Well, you're colder, you're colder the other way. 527 00:19:06,059 --> 00:19:08,220 If we go up, like, even Northern Manitoba No. 528 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:08,539 Just go north. 529 00:19:08,779 --> 00:19:10,220 Ontario is nice and cold. 530 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:12,779 It's colder, Lisa. 531 00:19:12,779 --> 00:19:13,500 Come on. 532 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,500 And it's dry. 533 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,664 The farther you go away from the water beds, it's going to be a drier cold. 534 00:19:19,664 --> 00:19:23,184 Says the Ontario person to the fucking Albertan. 535 00:19:23,664 --> 00:19:25,664 I know what dew points are. 536 00:19:27,744 --> 00:19:28,944 We are very dry. 537 00:19:28,944 --> 00:19:30,144 We're very dry up here. 538 00:19:30,144 --> 00:19:30,704 Very dry. 539 00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:33,970 So Like, my point 540 00:19:33,970 --> 00:19:38,929 my point is is that if you're so for data centers, that's great. 541 00:19:38,930 --> 00:19:40,849 Then you have you know what? 542 00:19:40,849 --> 00:19:47,315 Some of the most intelligent and well established chiefs are all over riddled across 543 00:19:47,315 --> 00:19:51,714 all the provinces, but a lot of them where I see a lot of professionals coming out of it 544 00:19:52,755 --> 00:19:54,755 actually, you reside don't wanna talk about the indigenous people. 545 00:19:55,075 --> 00:19:57,875 Reside in Ontario, but you guys don't feel very good. 546 00:19:57,875 --> 00:19:58,674 They're gonna disagree. 547 00:19:58,674 --> 00:19:59,235 First time ever. 548 00:19:59,235 --> 00:20:00,035 Agree to disagree. 549 00:20:00,035 --> 00:20:01,475 I don't wanna fucking talk about the natives. 550 00:20:01,529 --> 00:20:02,250 I don't care. 551 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:03,690 We're talking about data centers. 552

00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:05,930 I don't wanna about data centers. 553 00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:08,330 I know, but I don't fucking care about the natives. 554 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:09,049 I don't care. 555 00:20:09,049 --> 00:20:10,009 It's not my problem. 556 00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:10,890 It's not my issue. 557 00:20:10,890 --> 00:20:12,330 I'm talking about infrastructure. 558 00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:13,369 I don't care what the treaties are. 559 00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:14,970 Talking about infrastructure too. 560 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:15,849 It all plays a part. 561 00:20:16,315 --> 00:20:17,515 But I don't fucking care. 562 00:20:17,515 --> 00:20:18,554 I don't care. 563 00:20:18,555 --> 00:20:20,955 Well I literally have no course I 564 00:20:20,875 --> 00:20:21,115 I will in 565 00:20:21,275 --> 00:20:23,595 take your agree to disagree, and we will move on. 566 00:20:25,195 --> 00:20:27,994 It's the fundamentals of data centers. 567 00:20:28,795 --> 00:20:29,434 Fine. 568 00:20:29,835 --> 00:20:30,315 Right? 569 00:20:30,315 --> 00:20:30,634 Okay. 570 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,559 So let's just say we get all this. 571 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,359 Now we've also says community and economic effects. 572 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:41,240 Higher utility bills, limited local jobs, and land use pressures. 573 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:48,034 Large footprint, change local landscape, and spark push brush or sorry, pushback from 574 00:20:48,034 --> 00:20:51,394 communities worried about the unmanaged growth. 575 00:20:52,274 --> 00:20:55,874 Limited local jobs. 576 00:20:56,115 --> 00:21:01,359 Once construction finishes, the these highly automated buildings create very few permanent 577 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:01,919 jobs. 578 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,319 Right. 579 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:07,119 And then upgrading power lines and substations to feed data centers often lead to higher 580 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,839 electrics electricity costs for nearby residents. 581 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:10,480 So I agree. 582 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,244 It shouldn't be anywhere near, you know, metropolitan. 583 00:21:15,484 --> 00:21:19,725 So again, if you do it outside of metropolitan area or a local community Mhmm. 584 00:21:19,725 --> 00:21:22,045 Make them required to build their own power generation. 585 00:21:22,684 --> 00:21:23,404 Agreed. 586 00:21:23,725 --> 00:21:25,164 You can build your own power generation. 587 00:21:25,164 --> 00:21:27,725 You can again, cogen, trigen, you're making your own power. 588 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:29,509 You're using closed loop waters. 589 00:21:29,509 --> 00:21:31,109 You're not using any of the fresh water. 590 00:21:31,269 --> 00:21:32,549 All of this stuff could be done. 591 00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:37,990 All you're doing is just running the wires from a to b into the infrastructure and done. 592 00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:43,829 Yes, it's short term for large amounts of construction workers, but it's an industry that 593 00:21:44,005 --> 00:21:46,644 is going to make life easier, I think. 594 00:21:47,125 --> 00:21:49,924 If AI done correctly will make life easier. 595 00:21:49,924 --> 00:21:51,524 People are saying it's gonna take jobs. 596 00:21:51,605 --> 00:21:54,325 I think it opens up opportunities to do whatever you want. 597 00:21:54,724 --> 00:21:54,884 Right? 598 00:21:54,884 --> 00:21:57,524 But that gets into a bigger conversation. 599 00:21:57,525 --> 00:22:03,950 But just for the data center itself, is totally feasible, could easily be done, especially in 600 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:09,070 Canada because we do have the land space, we do have the cold air, and we don't have to 601 00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:10,670 subsidize it through tax dollars. 602 00:22:11,549 --> 00:22:11,869 K. 603 00:22:15,034 --> 00:22:16,394 So why are we doing it? 604 00:22:17,595 --> 00:22:19,034 Why are we still spending money on 605 00:22:18,954 --> 00:22:22,954 I'm the just like, maybe Michael should be the consultant on this for all 606 00:22:22,954 --> 00:22:24,075 these big issues. 607 00:22:24,075 --> 00:22:24,954 Wanna work with the government? 608 00:22:24,954 --> 00:22:25,355 Hell no. 609 00:22:26,009 --> 00:22:27,049 Oh, but you'd make I 610 00:22:27,049 --> 00:22:29,529 have to get one of those digital IDs to travel everywhere. 611 00:22:31,450 --> 00:22:34,009 That's a throwback to last episode in case you missed it. 612 00:22:34,009 --> 00:22:34,570 Oh, no. 613 00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:35,210 I got it. 614 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:36,089 I got it. 615 00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:40,484 I just I was just taking a drink of my fucking good talk, bro. 616 00:22:40,565 --> 00:22:41,524 Good talk. 617 00:22:42,964 --> 00:22:43,444 I know. 618 00:22:43,444 --> 00:22:47,605 Just like you look at the amount of investment that's flowing into The United States because 619 00:22:47,605 --> 00:22:48,644 of data centers. 620 00:22:49,204 --> 00:22:49,764 Right? 621 00:22:49,764 --> 00:22:51,605 Canada has an opportunity to do that. 622 00:22:51,605 --> 00:22:56,279 They'd like, it's been said that we wanted to create our own AI infrastructure here. 623 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:58,440 We wanted to sit on the global playing field. 624 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,159 We can. 625 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,679 We have the space. 626 00:23:00,679 --> 00:23:03,799 We have the cold air, right, which is gonna drop your cooling cost. 627 00:23:05,044 --> 00:23:09,365 The infrastructure I mean, we're so heavily tied to The United States going across the 628 00:23:09,365 --> 00:23:09,845 border. 629 00:23:09,845 --> 00:23:13,204 I'm sure updating that infrastructure would be fairly rudimentary. 630 00:23:14,724 --> 00:23:15,284 Fair. 631 00:23:15,924 --> 00:23:17,204 So why not just do it? 632 00:23:17,204 --> 00:23:19,845 Why not make it enticing enough to come do it? 633 00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:24,809 Invite business in, but we don't seem to want to invite business in. 634 00:23:24,809 -->

00:23:28,089 We just want to invite how much taxes can we get from everybody that's here. 635 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:31,450 We don't seem to want to grow anything that we have. 636 00:23:31,450 --> 00:23:33,369 We don't want to increase the transcannant pipeline. 637 00:23:33,369 --> 00:23:38,275 We don't want to build more, you know, pump baby pump, get that oil going, have our own 638 00:23:38,275 --> 00:23:41,154 refineries instead of relying on American pricing. 639 00:23:41,154 --> 00:23:42,275 We just don't seem to wanna do 640 00:23:42,434 --> 00:23:43,234 the case, though, Michael. 641 00:23:43,234 --> 00:23:48,269 I think a lot of it has to do with political the political climate that happens because we 642 00:23:48,269 --> 00:23:51,710 were here's the thing, and this is what everyone needs to remember, that there were 643 00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:57,710 politicians, conservative politicians in place for our entire country that stopped refineries 644 00:23:57,710 --> 00:24:00,350 because that was on the docket to do refineries. 645 00:24:00,350 --> 00:24:03,150 And they stopped it because they're best friends with the states. 646 00:24:03,694 --> 00:24:08,015 And we figured we would just rely on the states' relationship, which has bit us in the 647 00:24:08,015 --> 00:24:08,654 ass. 648 00:24:09,214 --> 00:24:09,775 Really? 649 00:24:09,775 --> 00:24:11,055 It has bit us in the ass. 650 00:24:11,055 --> 00:24:18,160 So as far as I'm concerned, 90% of any real issue that's going on tends to stem from people 651 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,799 that were once in power or that are currently in power that want to make all of these fucking 652 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,920 ridiculous conditions and fucking deals and whatever. 653 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,360 Some of them are beneficial. 654 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,240 Some of them are not. 655 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Do I think we should have oil refineries? 656 00:24:30,674 --> 00:24:33,235 100%, I think we should have had oil refineries. 657 00:24:33,235 --> 00:24:35,394 How much money our country would be making if we had 658 00:24:35,394 --> 00:24:37,154 our own fucking oil refineries? 659 00:24:37,154 --> 00:24:40,195 Jesus But would it people are like, oh, the pollution. 660 00:24:40,195 --> 00:24:40,515 Yes. 661 00:24:40,515 --> 00:24:41,634 There would be pollution. 662 00:24:41,634 --> 00:24:42,434 Absolutely. 663 00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:47,190 There I'm sure there are ways we would find because we have lots of very educated people in 664 00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:53,589 Canada to find a way to reduce those emissions or to find a way to to solve some of those 665 00:24:53,589 --> 00:24:55,669 issues and those environmental issues. 666 00:24:55,670 --> 00:25:00,150 So I don't buy that there's a whole bunch of reasons why we can't do things. 667 00:25:00,404 --> 00:25:02,805 I'm not saying completely no to data centers. 668 00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:07,205 What I'm saying is that when people don't wanna go and sit at the table with all the people 669 00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:12,404 that matter, including government, okay, and everybody that matters. 670 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:14,710 And there needs to be a a town hall. 671 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:19,750 If you're gonna build close to a, you know, to a, like, a a metropolitan area, there needs to 672 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:23,429 be a town hall where everybody can go and hear what they're gonna say. 673 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:26,309 And if they're talking kind of like you are, we're gonna have a research system. 674 00:25:26,309 --> 00:25:26,869 We're gonna do this. 675 00:25:26,869 --> 00:25:27,565 We're gonna do that. 676 00:25:27,565 --> 00:25:28,045 We're gonna try 677 00:25:28,045 --> 00:25:29,085 and keep this down. 678 00:25:29,085 --> 00:25:33,005 We're gonna try and keep this isolated to this so that nothing impacts your grid. 679 00:25:33,244 --> 00:25:33,884 Great. 680 00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:35,005 Sounds great. 681 00:25:35,005 --> 00:25:41,724 I think it should be a 100 mile vote and everybody for, like, 500 miles down water. 682 00:25:41,965 --> 00:25:42,285 Mhmm. 683 00:25:43,099 --> 00:25:44,859 Every one of those people should have a vote. 684 00:25:44,859 --> 00:25:48,220 Because if they're gonna be using fresh water, which a lot of these ones seem to be using, 685 00:25:48,220 --> 00:25:49,740 then just give everybody a vote. 686 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:51,099 We know how to do votes. 687 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:51,740 Yep. 688 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:53,660 Assuming they're all good and real. 689 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:54,220 Right? 690 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:56,140 We know how we we know how to do votes. 691 00:25:57,325 --> 00:25:57,644 Right? 692 00:25:57,644 --> 00:25:58,125 We know how to 693 00:25:58,125 --> 00:25:59,325 do that in democracy. 694 00:25:59,484 --> 00:26:02,444 So gives people the right to make up their own decision for their neighborhoods. 695 00:26:02,445 --> 00:26:02,845 Fair. 696 00:26:02,845 --> 00:26:05,805 And I'm not totally opposed to the idea of a data center. 697 00:26:05,805 --> 00:26:09,244 I'm opposed to some of the the more problems it's going to bring. 698 00:26:09,244 --> 00:26:14,309 I'm not opposed to building into our infrastructure, creating a stronger electrical 699 00:26:14,309 --> 00:26:18,950 grid, creating you know, I'm all for infrastructure inside of our different 700 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:23,365 provinces, and we have so much land mass with barely any people, You know? 701 00:26:23,365 --> 00:26:24,085 And I get that. 702 00:26:24,085 --> 00:26:27,045 So having so that's when I when people are immigrating, I'm like, why is everybody 703 00:26:27,045 --> 00:26:27,605 complaining? 704 00:26:27,605 --> 00:26:28,325 There's so much land. 705 00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:29,924 Like, they could just go for delivery. 706 00:26:30,244 --> 00:26:30,804 Right. 707 00:26:31,125 --> 00:26:31,365 No. 708 00:26:31,365 -->

00:26:32,164 It's crazy. 709 00:26:32,565 --> 00:26:35,764 I don't really it's it's it's that's not the issue for me. 710 00:26:36,005 --> 00:26:37,809 It's how everything is done. 711 00:26:37,809 --> 00:26:42,609 There's so many fucking backdoor deals and handshakes and fucking people are not paying 712 00:26:42,609 --> 00:26:45,409 attention, and they're poisoning water, and they're fucking the land. 713 00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:49,490 Like, if you have all the right people at the table that's consulting when it comes to this, 714 00:26:49,634 --> 00:26:53,555 And we're I'm not talking just government and indigenous and fucking the owners and fucking 715 00:26:53,555 --> 00:26:54,914 getting everyone getting a vote. 716 00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:56,674 But what about environmentalists? 717 00:26:56,835 --> 00:27:00,674 What about people that are paying attention to our land, to our infrastructure? 718 00:27:00,674 --> 00:27:02,595 Those professionals need to go. 719 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:08,029 And not just like, oh, this is the, you know, this is the the honorable fucking guy for 720 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:08,910 infrastructure. 721 00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:09,070 No. 722 00:27:09,070 --> 00:27:09,230 No. 723 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:09,390 No. 724 00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:09,630 No. 725 00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:10,990 I don't want that guy to go. 726 00:27:10,990 --> 00:27:15,710 I want him with three other guys from across province that are sitting there that know the 727 00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:20,835 infrastructure world very well and that are smart and that that will sit there and listen 728 00:27:20,835 --> 00:27:23,234 to everyone fucking talk and say, yes. 729 00:27:23,234 --> 00:27:23,954 This is doable. 730 00:27:23,954 --> 00:27:24,115 Yes. 731 00:27:24,115 --> 00:27:25,315 This is gonna increase sales. 732 00:27:25,315 --> 00:27:25,554 Yes. 733 00:27:25,554 --> 00:27:29,075 This is gonna be great for Canada or absolutely not. 734 00:27:29,075 --> 00:27:30,115 These guys are assholes. 735 00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:32,194 They're gonna try and hurt us more than they're gonna help. 736 00:27:32,755 --> 00:27:32,994 Yep. 737 00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:37,529 Well, I wonder I wonder whether or for a data center they've ever done an energy efficiency 738 00:27:37,529 --> 00:27:38,169 audit. 739 00:27:38,169 --> 00:27:43,130 So say for example, like, if you buy a furnace or an AC, there's always an energy efficiency 740 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:43,769 audit. 741 00:27:43,849 --> 00:27:44,250 Mhmm. 742 00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:49,534 I wonder if there's actually a full audit for a data center, like to actually say like, here's 743 00:27:49,534 --> 00:27:54,174 the actual efficiency that it's operating at. 744 00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:54,575 Mhmm. 745 00:27:54,575 --> 00:27:54,894 Right? 746 00:27:54,894 --> 00:27:58,014 Like, even though, like, so say for example, it's got electricity coming in. 747 00:27:58,095 --> 00:28:00,654 What steps are they doing to mitigate the electricity? 748 00:28:00,654 --> 00:28:03,069 What steps are they doing to create their own electricity? 749 00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:06,029 What steps are how much water are they actually using? 750 00:28:06,029 --> 00:28:06,430 Right? 751 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:10,990 Like, all these type of things, like, how is that I mean, I don't know. 752 00:28:11,309 --> 00:28:15,309 Like, you know, like, I think the only thing I could find out, like, is a PUE on it. 753 00:28:15,634 --> 00:28:16,195 Okay. 754 00:28:16,195 --> 00:28:20,515 And but it doesn't necessarily, like, argue efficiency. 755 00:28:20,515 --> 00:28:20,755 Right? 756 00:28:20,755 --> 00:28:23,795 That's just the effectiveness of its power usage. 757 00:28:23,795 --> 00:28:24,035 Fair. 758 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:25,394 But it's not the efficiency. 759 00:28:25,715 --> 00:28:27,954 Where the efficiency is really what it comes down to. 760 00:28:27,955 --> 00:28:28,914 That's a great point. 761 00:28:28,914 --> 00:28:30,755 Maybe they need to do an audit of their efficiency. 762 00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:33,090 I agree with you. 763 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:34,369 I think that's a great thing. 764 00:28:34,369 --> 00:28:38,850 And I understand that when you start building data centers, there's gonna be some you're 765 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:39,569 gonna trip. 766 00:28:39,809 --> 00:28:40,130 Yep. 767 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:40,450 You know what 768 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:40,769 I mean? 769 00:28:40,769 --> 00:28:43,490 Like, there's always gonna be mistakes that you then you're like, okay. 770 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:44,210 Can't do it that way. 771 00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:44,930 Gotta do it this way. 772 00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:49,735 Where my issue lies with these people is that I think about all of the people in our neighbors 773 00:28:49,735 --> 00:28:53,174 to the south that have gone through this and gone through a lot of shit. 774 00:28:53,735 --> 00:28:57,335 And in my opinion, I I shouldn't even say my opinion. 775 00:28:57,335 --> 00:28:57,735 I don't know. 776 00:28:57,735 --> 00:28:59,015 I don't have the answer to this. 777 00:28:59,015 --> 00:29:03,730 But when you figure out that these are not working out or you're creating instability 778 00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:05,809 somewhere, what are you doing to rectify it? 779 00:29:05,809 --> 00:29:09,089 And at that point, has it compromised anybody's health? 780 00:29:09,329 --> 00:29:14,644 That's really comes down to it because a lot of these big conglomerates, they they will create 781 00:29:14,644 --> 00:29:19,204 a they will create an unstable situation that will impact the health care. 782 00:29:19,765 --> 00:29:20,085 Yep. 783 00:29:20,085 --> 00:29:20,964 And they don't care. 784 00:29:20,964 --> 00:29:24,244 They know about it, and then they're, you know, they got all their shredders. 785 00:29:24,325 --> 00:29:24,805 You know? 786 00:29:24,805 --> 00:29:27,044 Oh, let that see the fucking light of day. 787

00:29:27,285 --> 00:29:27,605 You know? 788 00:29:27,605 --> 00:29:27,924 So 789 00:29:28,244 --> 00:29:30,130 mean, dealing with a lot of that old stuff. 790 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:34,049 Like, I mean, like, there's a town not far from me called Elmira that still had its own 791 00:29:34,049 --> 00:29:39,009 waterline brought in to Elmira because they're still doing remediation from way back when they 792 00:29:39,009 --> 00:29:40,210 were making Agent Orange. 793 00:29:40,945 --> 00:29:41,825 Oh, jeez. 794 00:29:42,144 --> 00:29:42,545 Right? 795 00:29:42,545 --> 00:29:43,664 Like, that's craziness. 796 00:29:43,664 --> 00:29:44,545 And it's a small town. 797 00:29:44,545 --> 00:29:45,025 It's not far. 798 00:29:45,025 --> 00:29:46,225 I mean, I could drive there in twenty minutes. 799 00:29:46,225 --> 00:29:46,704 Yeah. 800 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,184 But still, that's my point. 801 00:29:49,585 --> 00:29:58,019 Like, when you are impacting people, health care, economics, I stare at that, and I'm like, 802 00:29:58,019 --> 00:30:02,339 what are you doing to stop all of the harsh impacts? 803 00:30:02,339 --> 00:30:09,234 Are you are you actually looking to help grow the infrastructure, the economy, the what what 804 00:30:09,234 --> 00:30:09,714 are you doing? 805 00:30:09,714 --> 00:30:10,994 Are you just there to make fucking money? 806 00:30:10,994 --> 00:30:14,434 Because if you're just there to make money, and you don't give a shit about anybody else or 807 00:30:14,434 --> 00:30:18,674 anything else in that country because you can't tell me that the people that wanna build data 808 00:30:18,674 --> 00:30:19,554 centers are Canadians. 809 00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:22,829 Yeah. 810 00:30:22,829 --> 00:30:24,190 One of them what's his name? 811 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:24,990 O'Leary. 812 00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:26,430 O'Leary? 813 00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:26,910 Kevin O'Leary? 814 00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:29,069 He is such a Trump lover. 815 00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:30,829 I like Kevin O'Leary. 816 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:31,710 I've met him a couple times. 817 00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:32,750 He's a really nice guy. 818 00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:34,990 Plays a mean guitar and loves really good wine. 819 00:30:35,404 --> 00:30:36,764 Red wine, mostly. 820 00:30:37,244 --> 00:30:38,524 Robert jokes on it. 821 00:30:39,404 --> 00:30:40,204 Nice guy. 822 00:30:40,605 --> 00:30:42,044 I don't give a fuck. 823 00:30:42,524 --> 00:30:47,244 He's I mean, he could be the nicest guy in the world, but the minute you're against your own 824 00:30:47,244 --> 00:30:49,570 people is not something I'm prepared to deal 825 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:50,130 with I very 826 00:30:50,369 --> 00:30:50,690 don't I don't 827 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:52,450 tolerate That goes down a rabbit hole. 828 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:53,809 Again, not a not part of this discussion. 829 00:30:53,809 --> 00:30:54,049 Yep. 830 00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:56,289 We're gonna leave it alone, Michael, because I'm gonna make you upset and get in your 831 00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:56,929 feelings. 832 00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:02,455 So but just like, I just keep thinking back to data centers, and because of where we live in 833 00:31:02,455 --> 00:31:05,974 Canada So say, actually, oh my god, this is a genius idea. 834 00:31:06,295 --> 00:31:09,255 So let's look at Northern Canada, right? 835 00:31:09,255 --> 00:31:12,934 Where food prices are astronomical, especially produce and stuff like that. 836 00:31:12,934 --> 00:31:13,255 Yeah. 837 00:31:13,255 --> 00:31:14,455 Crazy prices. 838 00:31:14,455 --> 00:31:15,015 I know. 839 00:31:15,015 --> 00:31:18,509 So if you put data centers up there, Mhmm. 840 00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:21,309 If you use the cold water idea. 841 00:31:21,309 --> 00:31:21,549 Right? 842 00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:25,309 So again, cold closed loop, cold water, salt water, whatever you want it to be. 843 00:31:25,390 --> 00:31:25,630 Yeah. 844 00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:26,590 Actually piped it in. 845 00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:32,430 Instead of rejecting the heat back to open air, take the heat rejection in a trigen system or a 846 00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:33,630 greenhouse system. 847 00:31:34,005 --> 00:31:34,484 Mhmm. 848 00:31:34,484 --> 00:31:39,204 Thus creating jobs in a greenhouse environment to actually feed Northern Canada at reasonable 849 00:31:39,204 --> 00:31:39,764 prices. 850 00:31:40,005 --> 00:31:42,244 Oh, that's actually really clever. 851 00:31:42,644 --> 00:31:44,404 That's actually really clever because I'll tell 852 00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:46,404 you supply hot water up there. 853 00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:49,125 So instead of having to make hot water, the hot water is a byproduct. 854 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,200 Is the water safe, though? 855 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:52,600 Yeah. 856 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,880 It's all through heat exchanger. 857 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,200 Right? 858 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,359 So never never the Twix shell mix. 859 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:57,160 K. 860 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,600 And this is why they should have you as a consultant there, Michael. 861 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:00,759 You could 862 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,480 also use it for lumber and agricultural drying. 863 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,695 So you could do it in Northern DC, right, on the inland side. 864 00:32:06,695 --> 00:32:10,375 These are all things where everybody just thinks, use this, make this. 865 00:32:10,535 --> 00:32:13,335 Okay, with all the leftovers, what are you doing with the leftovers? 866 00:32:13,654 --> 00:32:16,454 All you would have to do is add another pump and another heat exchanger. 867 00:32:16,615 --> 00:32:16,934 Right? 868 00:32:16,934 --> 00:32:18,695 It's not a whole heck of a lot of work. 869 00:32:18,695 --> 00:32:21,015 The problem is a lot of people don't understand hydronics. 870 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:25,150 They just understand heating and cooling. 871 00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:26,589 Refrigerators. 872 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:31,069 The fact that the furnace hasn't really changed and AC hasn't really changed is stupid. 873 00:32:31,470 --> 00:32:32,429 That's fair. 874 00:32:33,070 --> 00:32:39,394 Day I'll show you a to design where you can use an ammonia system with just a Faraday or not so 875 00:32:39,394 --> 00:32:45,794 Faraday, lens to actually focus on a bulb and use ammonia to actually create a cool coil and 876 00:32:45,794 --> 00:32:47,874 just put a fan behind it and you can cool it all out. 877 00:32:48,034 --> 00:32:50,914 On a closed loop system, just a just the cost of running a fan. 878 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:52,359 No electricity. 879 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:53,000 Zero. 880 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:55,480 Okay. 881 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,200 I love that. 882 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,159 There's all these really cool systems that just people have forgotten over time. 883 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,359 Mhmm. 884 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,599 That's fair. 885 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:03,559 Know what? 886 00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:05,240 I'm asking to be able to feed the North. 887 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,440 Crazy. 888 00:33:07,525 --> 00:33:08,804 I love that. 889 00:33:09,045 --> 00:33:14,404 And that's where we're gonna end today because you came up with a very a very profound thing 890 00:33:14,404 --> 00:33:20,164 to say where I could 100% get behind a data center because it's got so many purposes at 891 00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:20,884 that moment. 892 00:33:20,884 --> 00:33:21,444 Mhmm. 893 00:33:21,445 --> 00:33:23,130 So thank you. 894 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:27,289 Everybody's mind can be changed with the right information and possibilities. 895 00:33:27,369 --> 00:33:29,130 And possibilities are a wonderful thing. 896 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:32,009 Listen to you. 897 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:33,210 Depends on the person. 898 00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:33,690 Right? 899 00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:34,809 So Actually, here. 900 00:33:34,809 --> 00:33:35,930 Just to just to drop in there. 901 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:39,035 When you build a condo, you have to build a park or you have to build something else. 902 00:33:39,035 --> 00:33:41,115 Something sustainable will go go behind a condo building. 903 00:33:41,115 --> 00:33:41,515 Right? 904 00:33:41,914 --> 00:33:45,115 Why not just make the same rule for a data center with what we just talked about? 905 00:33:45,195 --> 00:33:46,955 Not all condos have to be built with 906 00:33:47,035 --> 00:33:50,474 But I'm just saying, like, if you can have these rules, you can have these rules for data 907 00:33:50,474 --> 00:33:50,955 centers. 908 00:33:50,955 --> 00:33:51,755 100%. 909 00:33:51,755 --> 00:33:52,075 Agreed. 910 00:33:52,919 --> 00:33:53,559 Agreed. 911 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:54,200 Alright. 912 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,479 Thank you, everybody. 913 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,240 We'll catch you catch you on the flip side, and don't do anything crazy.