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Coffee fueled stories.
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Hello, hello, hello.
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It's me, Michelle, your host of Coffee Fueled Stories.
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And this is Halloween week, and we have two very special guests, return guests.
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We have Jamal Hodge and we have Linda Addison.
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Hello, welcome to the show.
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Deuces.
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Woo woo! This is so we have a few things to talk about.
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Um, the the topics are going to be obviously about the two books that are behind uh Jamal.
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We did talk about everything Endlist.
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And then we also have Jamal's new book.
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He's got I'm not a good person, I'm a New Yorker.
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Yes, everything we're gonna talk about those two things.
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We're also gonna talk about Halloween a little bit.
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And then we're also gonna talk about I'm I did this for you, Jamal, specifically.
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It's my East Coast shirt.
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Even though I'm the West Coast, I love I'm representing the East Coast right now.
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So it's records and coffee and books.
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Oh, there we go.
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Yes, yes, it does.
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So we're gonna talk about I love the hand, the Hamsa hand.
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I love it.
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Um, so we're gonna talk uh uh about a few things, um, but that just to give the listeners a because like I said, this is literally off the cuff, no notes.
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We're just we're just gonna jump in and have some fun.
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So everybody's got their coffee.
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I see Linda's got her coffee, got my coffee.
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And Jamal, yes, you you have come to the dark side of coffee.
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You are now drinking coffee, mushroom coffee.
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I'm drinking mushroom coffee.
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Can you please tell us about that?
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Because when you told me you were drinking mushroom coffee, I was so happy.
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Well, it just helps you, it just helps you poop.
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Okay.
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That's the best thing about it.
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It changes your your gut bio, like by I thought because mushroom, like for brain, I thought it was gonna give you like brain power.
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It's all for your gut.
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Creativity gets rid of bloating and all these different things.
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It has a bunch of cordyceps and stuff, so it changes your um your bacteria in your stomach and helps your digestion and actually kills your cravings, makes you not want to eat.
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It makes you feel really, really full.
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So if you are doing any sort of fasting or something like that, you can put a little honey in there.
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Like I get the wildflower um honey, like you know, from local farm, and then um I put it in there, and that's what I try to do like every morning until like 12, and then I eat something around like two o'clock, my biggest meal, two or three o'clock.
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And it's been helping me just lose a lot of um weight.
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Hopefully, you can see that in my face because I was like for a while.
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Yes, you know.
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I look like the black Buddha.
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You're getting you're getting me.
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You're getting it.
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I was like good.
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The black Buddha, like I had like that face.
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So that's awesome.
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So the first time I had mushroom coffee, I'm gonna ask you about mushroom coffee too, Linda.
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Um, actually, you know what?
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You've never had it, okay.
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I will I'm willing to try them.
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I'm gonna send you someone.
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I had mushroom coffee.
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I was still living in California, so that would have been 2000 2019-2020, uh 2018-2019, before COVID.
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It was before COVID.
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Uh, had uh a vendor send me some mushroom coffee.
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They wanted uh us to try their mushroom coffee.
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I tried it, and I'm gonna tell you, it made me it cleaned me out.
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Let's just keep it that so that was the first and last time I ever had mushroom coffee.
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So you are much braver than me.
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Well, once everything comes out, there's nothing left to come out, and then you just could enjoy the coffee after this is great information.
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Good to know.
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So then when you said you're drinking mushroom coffee, I'm like, why are you drinking mushroom coffee?
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Because the last time I had it, I was scared.
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I'm scared of it.
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So so if it's working for you, that's awesome.
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Pizza colonic, piece of colonica.
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That's funny.
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So there you go, Linda.
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You have the two sides of
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mushroom coffee.
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So I will be the judge of the impact on my system.
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I'm not trying to lose weight, I am not.
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However, when I travel, something that does that might be just a thing because my body's like, you're traveling, I'm locking it down.
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I'm not we ain't doing nothing over here.
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I well, I hate public restrooms.
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I don't know what your guys' thoughts are on.
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I think public restrooms are like I I avoid public restrooms at all costs.
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Like I will stay in my hotel room because I know you're you're traveling.
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I'll stay in my hotel room until like I don't have until until the last possible minute because I don't want to go into public or at home.
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I will use my bathroom at home until the last possible minute.
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And then I will avoid if I have no choice, obviously, you know, if I'm out and about, but I I I just I think public toilets are just freaking disgusting.
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Yeah, my body's just like you're not home, I'm not doing nothing.
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I'm done.
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Right?
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I'm locking it down until you get back home.
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Yeah, and I love to travel, like I love to go to new places, so yeah.
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So it's you know, I don't know if it's just my neuroses or or what.
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What do you think I'm in San Francisco?
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I am sure I can go out and get a cup of mushroom coffee anywhere you can get all types of stardom latte, stardust latte.
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You get like out there, but they got everything up there, every fancy thing you could imagine.
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Totally California, totally, and there you go.
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That's the beginning of the Halloween conversation, right?
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I was just about to say, so so we're let's talk a few things, let's talk about Halloween a little bit because this is um my favorite time of year.
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Linda, you said this is your favorite time of year.
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Absolutely.
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Jamal, this is my birthday.
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Oh, it's your birthday today.
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My favorite oh no, I wish my birthday was on Halloween.
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Oh but I'm just saying those are the two times of the year that I'm oh okay, okay.
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What about you, Jamal?
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How do you feel about Halloween?
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What are your is it is it magical to you?
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Um well, I used to throw like massive, a lot of people don't know this about me because I seem to be a mild mannered guy nowadays, at least in my head.
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But I used to throw giant Halloween parties in Bent Sky Um back in the days.
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You know, if everybody will come and call it, we had crazy stories.
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This is when I was uh young and wild, young and free.
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I used to throw all these big um Halloween parties on the block for like about three consecutive years, maybe so like um yeah, I used to love Halloween.
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You know, now I've gotten older, you know, it's okay.
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I like it.
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I like how happy it makes certain people, like especially now in the Halloween community.
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Being a horror writer, I like it for that.
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But my favorite um holiday is Thanksgiving, which is also a gruesome and scary holiday when you think about it.
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And the history of it and being around family, you gotta eat turkey breasts, which is so dry.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Are are there any um Halloween memories?
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Your Halloween parties, are there any like things that like you can share with us and tell us about any of the like is there anything like something that isn't gonna get you in trouble?
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That phase.
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Ooh, that was a that happened legendary stuff.
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I'll tell y'all off the records, but uh crazy stuff went on in those parties sometimes, but um yeah, not much, honestly.
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It's kind of crazy, but did you dress up?
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I was lazy.
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I used to do like the fireman stripper out on things.
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I was like, I was like nine percent body fat at the time, so I used to just you know, if I had pictures prompt, I would send them to you.
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So I used to be I want to send you the hat with the hat and oh come on, you have got to send a photo.
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Yeah, but I promise, I promise I won't share it.
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I promise I won't share it.
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I will keep it personal, I will I will just keep it between us.
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Yeah, it's funny.
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It's I want to see that.
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I'm gonna see that.
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Come on.
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Oh, come on.
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Okay, so so since since we're talking about that, um, we're gonna talk, let's let's talk about a few things that are are New York.
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So um I don't think we had
this conversation the other the the previous time that we spoke.
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So there are certain things that are just the epitome of New York, and in my brain, they are New York bagels, New York pizza, um, and hot dogs, and you can even say coffee, like New York coffee in the in the cup.
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We did talk about the cup a little bit, but we didn't talk about the dog.
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Hot dogs are more American though.
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What's that?
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I think hawk hot dogs are a lot more like baseball, more American than New York.
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Yeah, but there's Chicago dogs.
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Chicago dog is very different than a New York, like a Coney dog, like Coney Island hot dog, like Nathan's.
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Yeah, like Nathan, you're right.
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Like I'm from California and I know Nathan's and Coney dog.
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I've never had one, but I want one.
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Oh, you have to have one.
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See, that's like especially the grilled ones, yes, yeah.
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Oh, grilled ones at Central at Coney Island.
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They put they put the chili beans on it, if you want that with relish and some cheese, some melted cheese.
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See, that's that's what I'm saying.
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Like, there are certain things that are just like like I said, a Coney dog, Coney Island hot dog, um, uh, and then uh New York bagels.
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Um again, being from California, the bagels suck in California, they just suck.
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And I'm sorry, I'm speaking.
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If somebody, if somebody disagrees, please send me your bagels.
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I'll I'll do a taste test.
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You'll be a taste test.
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And and New York pizza, and I can say this.
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Um, so I I was I had a layover in New York, and I ate my way through that layover.
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In I went to the pier and I went to Manhattan and I went to Central Um, what do you call Times Square?
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I ate my way around that six-hour time frame, and I had pizza and bagels and coffee.
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And I'll tell you what, that six hours of just was amazing.
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Yeah, it's good for this.
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New York has like the best kind of street food, like the halal trucks, the you know, you know, just just you could just buy food and it just tastes it has good food everywhere in New York.
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That's why it's hard to adapt to other cities when you leave New York because the food just don't be quite it, especially California.
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I hate to say their food is it's very different.
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I'll I admit that 100%.
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Like the Hawaiian stuff is good over there, though.
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They got like a lot of Hawaiian cuisine.
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Um, this does that.
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I would I would argue that their sushi is better.
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I'm gonna yes, yes, I will I'm gonna toot on that one, yes.
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But they have good sushi, but but like and good um Hawaiian food, like I like the Hawaiian grill, and I have to put that on my list now, Hawaiian, to go to that.
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Oh, it's so good, it's so good.
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So I I love that you said halal because I just had halal guys for the first time last week, and it was and it was all and I took all kinds of pictures of it too, excuse me, because it it's from New York, and so I was so excited.
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I'll send you pictures, I'll send you pictures.
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It was amazing.
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I ate the whole thing, like I didn't leave anything left.
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Like I was I gorged myself on this amazing food.
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So, like I said, and that was here, and my understanding is like they pride themselves on following that New York street cart recipe.
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Yeah, so I I highly recommend if if Linda, if you have not tried halal guys, I highly recommend it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So now you're in San Francisco.
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Is it okay to tell the listeners where you're at?
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Absolutely.
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Okay, so you're in San Francisco, which happens to be another one of my favorite places for food.
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Um, and so you're going to have some oysters.
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Oh, yes, yes.
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We're going to the oyster bar.
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Every time I come here to visit my son, is that's like the only thing I want to make sure I do.
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Sweet.
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Now, do you guys go to North Park?
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So speaking of pizza, like I am understanding is North Park is like known for pizza, but there's also a very famous thing in San Francisco, and it's the Irish coffee.
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And they have been doing it since the 1900s.
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Is that the kind that has liquor in it?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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And they are known for how they pour it and prepare it.
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It's historic.
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They have been doing the same style and recipe since the 1900s.
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Oh, so if if you get a chance to do that, please do that for me because put it on my list.
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I was like, I have that's the one thing I haven't tried yet.
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I got it.
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I got it on the list.
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I'm near poke street, so it's like so many different choices for food.
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It's insane.
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You have good seafood, I think, up there.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, I live in the desert, you know.
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I'm eating seafood every day.
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Every I told my son, I don't care, I want seafood every day.
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That's awesome.
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And the best, the best sourdough.
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Like I said, so I grew up as Southern Californian.
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Um, my mom loved sourdough bread, and we always I grew up with sourdough bread, and it was always San Francisco sourdough bread.
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So so holds a special place in my heart.
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So uh so uh that being said, in New York, you did the Italian bread, long Italian bread.
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So so to tie in the food, the love of food, and the nostalgia of food, let's talk Halloween candy.
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What what uh would be like as a kid if you went trick-or-treating, what was a one candy that you you hoped that you would get like the most of in your little trick-or-treat pail?
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For me, it was the chocolate bars, you know, like three musketeers or you know, chocolate.
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Now, for me, as an adult, Halloween, I'll just get a bag of candy corn and and eat it until I pass out.
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I was gonna say something simple.
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I was gonna say I should love the chitsy roll and the candy corn, but then I found that candy corn was just wax, and I got it.
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Yeah, it's so good.
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Wax and sugar, it's just sugary wax.
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I'm like, I can't eat this no more.
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So I only can bring a small bag in my house because then I'm like, I'll measure it.
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It says 16 per thing, and and then I just lose it once I eat some.
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I'm I've lost all ability to stop.
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Okay, I love that you guys both said candy corn because I'm gonna.
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This is something.
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So I I had a guest and I asked him his favorite candy corn or favorite candy was also candy corn, and this is what he called it.
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He called it the fuck you candy of Halloween.
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And explain why because it is so it's so jar, like people either love it or they hate it.
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Oh yeah.
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So if you eat it, you're literally going to everybody.
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So I love that you guys, so he called it the fuck you candy of Halloween, and you know, two years ago when I went to get it, I found out they had different flavors now, not just like usual.
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They had weird, like I tried the the turkey one with gravy, and it wasn't.
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I mean, they have weird flavors.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So my favorite became one.
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Is it making loud noise?
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Nope, I don't hear it.
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Okay, I I only I hear there's a whole lot of noise right outside my window here.
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So I I hear mostly that.
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So I'm trying not to be distracted by it.
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I don't hear it at all.
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And then when I when I got to really, really like trying something, I tried the Halloween candy, it's like shaped like a um pumpkin and and and also the candy corn with chocolate in it.
00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:14.960
Yeah, it's it's like I just go into a coma and eat sugar and wax.
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Like outside of candy, I just love like I love the flavor of pumpkins.
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I don't know why I like the flavor of pumpkin so much.
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I love pumpkin everything.
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Like, like, like pumpkin spice, pumpkin pie, pumpkin, pumpkin.
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I like I can eat pumpkin stuff.
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I go with that.
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And and fresh made fresh made pumpkin soup.
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Like someone makes it from scratch.
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So good.
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Yes, yeah, yes.
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I thank you for saying pumpkin because that's another one.
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People are like, but you know, the whole pumpkin spice latte thing.
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And I'm like, I love this time of year because everything is pumpkin and exact.
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I I get, you know, everybody's like, seriously, you know, like can you be in my case, like, can you be more vanilla?
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And I'm like, I'm like, what's wrong with liking pumpkin spice latte?
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Like, what's wrong with that?
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No, I love pumpkin.
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I do too.
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It reminds me of my mom.
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So, so you you were talking about how your mom calls you every day and and how your son texts you every day.
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I wish my mom and I could still talk every day and text every day.
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So I I don't have that.
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And this is our favorite time of year.
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So it used to it used to make me really sad.
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Now I can actually be happy and talk about it and be okay with it and miss her, but not be like, I miss my mom.
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You know what I mean?
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But this is her favorite time, and she got me into Halloween and she got me into horror movies, like, you know what I mean?
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So so the fact that your mom like called you just before you jumped on, I was like, Oh, that's so sweet.
00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.519
And then your son texts you, I'm like, that's so sweet.
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Yep.
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And I used to make costumes for him, you know.
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Um, and and San Francisco apparently goes crazy at Christmas with the Santa Claus and Halloween.
00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:24.559
So he gave he gave me this uh sweatshirt, this like the rings of Saturn, is it that has the rings?
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I'm sorry to sound ignorant.
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So I'm gonna be Saturn, I'm gonna wear that.
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That's awesome.
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I have rocket ships, uh rocket ships.
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Um, I know we've been talking about food and Halloween and nostalgia, and we haven't even talked about your guys' books yet.
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So I'm not a good a good person, I'm a New Yorker.
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That's the bomb, right?
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We have to talk about that.
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All right, so now that we have been nice and distracted with Halloween, food, New York things, let's talk about this other New York thing.
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Jamal's book.
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I'm a New York thing.
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You're the New York thing.
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I'm a New York.
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You are I'm a cryptid.
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I'm a cryptid, the New York thing.
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Oh man, I'm so in love with this book.
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I made a video.
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I made a video about his book.
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She made an awesome, great almost curse.
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It's okay.
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I I did best video I've ever made.
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I'm just I'm so in love with this book, I cannot please tell the tell the listeners about this book.
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Please.
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So this book is just$12.99.
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No.
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Um, this is um, I'm not a good person, I'm
a New Yorker.
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It's like a book about like if you if you've never been to New York, after you read this book, you'll be a New Yorker yourself.
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Um basically, it goes through all the internal organs, the spinal column, the armpit of the city.
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And so you get the full anatomy of the city.
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You get the pretty face, you get the nice long hair, you know, you get the voluptuous, you know, chest.
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Oh, the big curly hair.
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You know, um, yeah, because you know, the city is, you know, she's she's multi-ethnic, you know?
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She's definitely bejeweled, multi-ethnic, beautiful, kind of a bitch, but I was gonna say I had bitch in my head.
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I was like, is he gonna say bitch?
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Because she is Yeah, she's a you know, the city is a bitch, but she's only a bitch to those who are satisfied.
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That's the only thing that the city is.
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You say it with love, you know, like.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, if you if you if you if you if you satisfied with your life and you like a simple life and you like where you are in life, the city hates you.
00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:16.240
Um so you know the it's it's a it's a story, the book about how a vampire can also be a place.
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It's a story about um one man's uh abusive relationship with a city and it's social horror, but it's also inspiring in its own way uplifting and brutally honest.
00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:49.839
So um, you know, it's it's intimate because it's a poetry collection, but it's definitely set up so that it takes you on a journey as if you were going through different um stops on a train.
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.839
So it's it's a destination um between things.
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The graphics of the city are just breathtaking.
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Look at that, look at that.
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There's lots of that.
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It has uh, you know, you can see like even like how the subways are oh, you got the subway.
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Oh, that's so cool.
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You can see um Love of Broken Glass.
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That's the second section.
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Um, actually, there's third section, actually.
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.079
So I'll I'll read this because this gives you a scene going into the third section.
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Every section is like a stop.
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So it says diverse mergers of sweaty skin colors and different shapes and similar shapes, and same genders, and May December's and the able-bodied sexing the disabled-bodied, empty pockets with big wallets, assholes loving
psychos, love loving love, because melting pot is just another term for orgy, and New Yorkers love to put things together that otherwise would never find each other.
00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:06.720
But of course, love is the adoration of the defeat itself, bringing up the brightest peaks in our beings and the darkest dredges of our shadows.
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:20.160
In that passionate reflection, the glass breaks, stained with the blood of dead hopes, leaving us doomed to spend a lifetime cutting ourselves as we try to find all the lost pieces that will never fit.
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Yeah, I'm saying that's just one.
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That's just one out.
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:32.799
Yeah, so so the book is full of really deep fun in a way.
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Like, even you know, you talk about um the first uh poem poem in the book is called Coffee and the Bagel.
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Oh my god, I love this.
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And if you can deal with this, then you end for a treat in the book.
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If this is your cup of tea, but this is called Coffee and the Bagel.
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It says, Please get me a cup of black coffee.
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Dark as my face, dark as my schemes and my dreams.
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Darker than one of those immigrants from Sudan.
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Blue black coffee.
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Wake your black ass up, black coffee.
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It's time to pay child support, black coffee.
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That kick of motivation in the collective miracle of pain we call Monday.
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Give me that shit in a New York minute from an overpriced bodega owned by a Mexican Muslim from China.
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:35.920
Match it with a toasted raisin bagel, smothering in cream cheese, gizzling like a stripper's areolas, staring at me, calling to me before I kiss it, lick it, take a nipple then a bite.
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.079
I'll make love to that shit.
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I don't care what the fuck you think as I drink my blackity black coffee, wondering at the irony of me drinking me.
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This place, this dirty, crowded, screaming, rat-infested bum garden, somehow becomes quite the miracle after a morning bagel and a steaming cup of jill.
00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:01.359
I mean, yes.
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I mean, honestly, chills, chills.
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:14.400
So I here I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna ask this might be a stupid question.
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.799
So most poetry books, right?
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:24.799
You you like we have been reading poetry books for hundreds of years, hundreds of years.
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:36.240
And in those hundreds of years, the difference between those books and your book, books, your poetry books, is you're a film maker.
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:59.359
So I think what happens is your those poetry books are here and your poetry books are out here because there is just something so different with your books, and the I'm just gonna call them like the classics, the the the the basic classics.
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.759
And I think it's because you're a filmmaker.
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.000
Linda, would would you agree with that?
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:05.119
1000%.
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1000% because Jamal, what he does with film, and and you know, I still rave about the film he made inspired by my poem, but each shot in that film for me is just beautiful, it's just a piece of art, you know, the color, the bass, the balance, and everything.
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:34.319
So I think when he writes poetry, it's the same thing, it's very uh visceral, it's very like um real, and at the same time, it's just gonna hit you some kind of way.
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It's no choice, you have no choice, it's gonna hit you on one of them lines that he just read from that first poem, it's gonna get you.
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:56.240
So it's it's it's get it's ghetto Shakespearean, yes, yes, uh I've actually said that about his poetry years ago, if you remember Jamal.
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:01.440
I do because I've read, I grew up reading Shakespeare and Poe.
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:13.920
I just love this the language of it, and when Jamal writes, there's a sort of version of a Shakespearean um, you know, the happy face, the sad face.
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:14.720
You know what I'm saying?
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.880
Like there's this mix of that that Shakespeare does that he does with his own language.
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:20.960
Let's just talk about it like he ain't even here.
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:31.200
So, you know, I remember very early on saying to him, This is like it's Shakespearean, but not in a way that you could say, This is Shakespeare and this is you.
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:43.680
There's something about the rhythm and the the way emotions and the and looks come through the vision of the uh words that's very Shakespearean, very classic in an in a um New York kind of way.
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:46.240
Yeah, like I don't know.
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:57.599
I I think I think somewhere in between Shakespeare and Bukowski and some black experience in there that's more kind of where I occupy.
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.079
It's Chikkowski.
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:07.440
It's like so um that coffee and bagel, it's exactly what you were saying, Linda.
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:18.720
Like you've got the happy face, and like you can it really has that dichotomy, yeah, and you can see it and you can feel it, you can taste it, you can hear it, you can smell it.
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.000
Like it was I I was there.
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.039
I was there in that bodega.
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:36.559
And I think it's a visual, the thing that he that Jamal is so visual is
that it's an easy thing, it's not something he he has to think about to see it, to write the way you would see it.
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.799
And the whole book is like that, it's magical.
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.640
Like what he said, I agree.
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.000
I it when we talked about it, and I got my own copy.
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.240
I said, This is the thing, everybody on this planet is part New Yorker.
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:55.359
Because who on this planet, unless you're living in a mountain with no anything, everybody knows New York.
00:29:55.680 --> 00:30:07.200
If you haven't been there, you want to go visit, or you don't, you know, it's a love-hate thing, but it's like there are cities on this planet that people know: New York, Paris, New York.
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.279
And this book is extraordinary.
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:10.480
It's just extraordinary.
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:10.880
Yeah.
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:12.640
Well, I try my best, you know.
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.359
I'll be I put all that I am into it.
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.200
Like I try to do with all these things.
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.680
Uh I kind of I write a poem almost every single day when I first wake up.
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.920
And I a lot of times I don't know what they're gonna belong to, what they're gonna become.
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:38.160
I kind of leave them in this notes kind of pool of stuff, and then I I search through it and then I'll make a connection consciously and like, oh, this wants to be this or this wants to be that.
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:47.920
Like, but I don't I I try not to ignore the muse when she appears because um she always brings gifts.
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.200
It's like your intuition.
00:30:49.359 --> 00:31:00.799
You have to if you if it knocks at the door, you gotta let it in, even if you don't understand the reason why, or even if you don't agree, so that it keeps returning to your door more and more and more.
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.400
You see, you see what I'm saying?
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:25.279
So so I'd be I'd be trying to do that with these things, and then they pop up, and then I'm also like a student of the game, like um this year, you know, I was a judge for a lot of different things, like Shirley Jackson's and um also the the the screenplay awards for the HWA, but also I did um judging for the poetry um showcase.
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.240
Um so I read a lot of poems, and I've been reading a lot of other people for years, like Linda, of course.
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.599
You know, getting to work with Linda with everything endless.
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:49.599
Um really took my joint to my my skill set to the next level, um my approach to the next level, reading Christina Singh for a lot of years and seeing what she can do in such a short um amount.
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:55.680
Um you know, Bailey's good too, like the intellectual side of things.
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.200
Um, seeing that.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:02.720
Um Marge Simon, all these like legends of the game, you know what I'm saying?
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.440
Like, I study all of them and I read all of them.
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:13.440
Um Manzetti is as well, like his best stuff is extraordinary with the visuals and the emotion and the blend of that.
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:20.160
So yeah, I take all of that and it helped me see where the medium can go.
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:21.839
You know what I'm saying?
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:30.799
So I'm always learning and I'm always striving to just get better and to learn more.
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.039
So and now it's not just learning, now Jamal's all kinds of ways an award-winning poet.
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.119
I mean, yeah, it was just any kind of way you want to look at it.
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:49.039
I mean, I think when we were here before the book hadn't done its shiny thing that it's done insane this year, yeah.
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:50.160
Everything endless.
00:32:50.240 --> 00:33:06.079
This is yeah, and I I see the other one gonna be doing some some crazy things too, because uh now he has a Bram Stoker winner, and he also has Elgin on winner, which is you know, I mean, a poem in there that we did together as a finalist.
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.119
There you go.
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.599
Open that door, open that door, Jamal.
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.319
What's that say?
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:15.839
There you go.
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:22.640
Yes, I know Linda has a whole town of these, but I'm just happy with my little one that I have.
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:34.000
It's got a star some while has a town, she has like sleepy hollow of just that's awesome.
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.480
Big that's a big congratulations, you guys.
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:41.599
Seriously, it's like to everything endless, and then like seriously, like so.
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.200
So, what was that, Jamal?
00:33:43.920 --> 00:34:04.799
No, I I I just feel like another great thing is that Linda's been like helping so many people for so many years, and now you know, there was a big plot and scheme behind the scenes that behind my back is a part of or not a part of, and Suniko and a lot of the people of color were probably a part of.
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:19.280
Um, but now Linda um you know she has these amazing things that I guess she can speak for herself, but you know the madness, the great madness of it all.
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:29.440
So the HWA has renamed their diversity grant that I've been the chair for since it began, from the HWA Diversity Grant to the Linda D.
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.039
Addison Diversity Grant.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:47.440
And there's also a new scholarship fellowship that's coming out of um um, I can't remember the name of the um publisher, but um, that's coming out and and it's called the Linda D.
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:57.599
Addison Speculative Poetry Fellowship, and it opens for applications um January 18th, 2027.
00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:59.920
And folks can find out about it.
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I'll have it on my site or just you know, look it up.
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.840
I have a YouTube thing where I talk about it.
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.599
It's amazing, it's for Bipop.
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:08.800
It's just amazing.
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.400
It's I don't even prize.
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.719
Yes, a thousand dollars.
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.159
So, you know, you can find out more about it.
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.800
No, no, nothing tied to it.
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:35.360
I mean, you have to turn in like 10 poems, you have to have a concept for the book you want to do, but once you get the money, it's it's yours to do whatever to make your book, which is amazing for a lot of spec poets because most spec poets don't even get an advance.
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:39.440
No, so to get an advance like that on an indie poem.
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.079
So much more than you ever congent.
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.920
So, yeah, it's um it's uh this year's been amazing.
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:58.320
So, that being said, uh now we are uh at the end of our conversation, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed my my cheeks hurt.
00:35:58.400 --> 00:35:59.679
I love laughing with you guys.
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.480
I love I love spending time with you, and thank you so much.
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.360
And ladies, congratulations on on everything that you guys have achieved with your book.
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:08.559
It's it's wonderful.
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And then with the New Yorker book as well.
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So I just want to say wishing you a happy Halloween, both of you.
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And and here's who knows, you guys might be coming back with with another book in another year with more awards.
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I don't know.
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Anything is possible.
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Anything is possible.
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Thank you for having us.
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Linda's novels are coming, guys.
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Um novels, keep the lookout.
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You got a book next year.
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Next year is Linda D.
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Addison writes novels here in the beginning.
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Awesome, awesome.
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Is there anything you guys would like to tell the listeners before we sign off and say happy Halloween to everybody?
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Um, I have a book signing on Tuesday, November um 17th at the Plainfield Library um in Plainfield, New Jersey.
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So um in Plainfield, New Jersey, at the Plainfield Public Library.
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I have a um book signing for I'm not a good person, I'm a New Yorker.
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And um, yeah, you know, more to come.
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I do feel like um I just want to thank Linda for um doing everything endless.
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Um she really um I'm like Linda's little creature in the sense that I didn't even think that I could be a poet, and she saw that in me.
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She saw the sweet bitch in me.
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Not enough to oh, and oh, what a poet you are, my darling.
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She saw the sense, she saw the sensitive humanity in me and was like, you can apply that to your darkness and you can filter it and you can create something extraordinary.
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So, you know, I wouldn't be here, I wouldn't be even doing this if it wasn't for Linda the Great and wonderful Linda Addison who's been like the recognized all over this year, everywhere, every convention.
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This year, but I mean, this book, with all the awards and everything I've gotten, this book has performed in areas that I never was in.
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I never had an Elgin uh award, and this book has done that for us.
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There's just so many things that this book has done that is just and and it was the concept of it was Jamal's.
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And I I I loved it.
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I I loved again having you both back on the show to talk about this book, like is just is awesome.
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So uh thank you again.
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Um, and I would love if you would uh send everybody off with a happy Halloween and and wish everyone uh all the spookiness, if you would please.
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Yes, boo, boo, boo.
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Happy Halloween, guys.
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Yes, go eat some sugar and wax.
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I'm just saying.
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Some wax, some fucking candy.
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Yeah, bye bye.