(00:19:04) Podcast Clip of 57. The Theory Of The Leisure Class

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We made this. Hello and welcome
to We Buy Records. I'm Paul Field
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and I'm joined as ever by the
lovely mister Tim Scullion. Hello Tim,
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Hello there, Paul. How are
you sweating? Because it's summer, It's
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Belgrade and it's very, very hot
again today. Well it's it's a little
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bit cooler here in the south coast
of England, in East Sussex. But
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apparently British listeners will probably know this. We've apparently got a forty degree heatwave
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coming. Oh was that in the
Daily Mail? I can't confirm my sources,
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Paul. Do you know this about
me? Well, my laptop says
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it's seventy four and old money at
the moment, bearing a mind it still
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early in the morning. Whatever that
means. British people don't know what seventy
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four means, Paul. Oh,
okay, Sorry, this is the we
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By Records podcast. Thanks everyone for
joining us. How do we do this,
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Paul, I've forgotten a quick bit
of housekeeping, Tim, housekeeping so
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quick. Thank you to everyone who's
supported us on coffee. Tim, I've
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forgot to put out the names,
but we will mention you next time,
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I promise. Thanks everybody, you
can support us on coffee. We do
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have costs associated with the podcast.
We have to pay for the way that
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we record it. You can find
us Kofi dot com, forward slash,
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we buy records something like that.
I'll put a link in the show thing.
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It might be we by Records pod, but we can try one of
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them. It's quite early, it's
quite early in the morning. I'm not
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really with it yet, but it's
going to be. It's going to be
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a great show. Oh, Tim, I've got some housekeeping. What's happened
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to you the last couple of weeks, Paul? Now, well, if
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that so, Paul, this explains
why. So our intention was to get
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the podcast out more frequently again and
it make it be more like the good
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old days. But we've been thwarted
because of something that happened to you a
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couple of weeks ago. Well,
a couple of things. First my laptop
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broke, then I took it to
be repaired, then it broke again,
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and then I bought another one,
and as I bought that, the landlord
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came to see me and said you
need to leave the store. I'm like,
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oh dear, oh dear. Now
there is a weird story here and
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I'd be curious what any listeners think
about this. So he handed me a
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thirty days termination, told me to
get out that he'd sold the store,
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and I was like, how's he
sold it? Nobody's been to look at
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it. Good point, And I
was quite annoyed by this very short notice
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period, so I did push back, said this form isn't in English,
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it's just gibberish. Gave it back
to him, said come back when you've
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done it correctly. This is buying
me time. Sorry, just to make
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it clear that you're not a racist. Presumably it was in a kind of
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broken English. It was in Google
Translate, but it was a legal document.
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You can't use Google Translate for Yeah, it did sound a bit like
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you were. You were saying that
Serbian is gibberish, So I thought,
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I thought i'd clarify for the listeners. No, no, no, the
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English version was complete gibberish. I
knew that's what you meant, but everything
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has if you're a foreigner, everything
has to be due, lingual and certified
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for it to be legal. So
anyway, he came back the next day
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and I'm like, that was quick, and he had a guy with him,
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and I looked at this guy and
my friend was translating, and he
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said, oh, this is this
is the new owner. He's opening a
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photocopy shop. There are two hundred
photocopying shops in Belgrade him they desperately needed
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another one. Laundering anyway, I
looked at this guy and I'm like,
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I know you. You've been to
the shop four or five times. Oh.
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I was told he was an architect
who was coming to look at doing
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provisions for the roof for the but
yep, oh, come on. Then
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their translator turned up and I looked
at him and I went, hang on
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a second, I know you as
well. Oh. This kid had been
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hanging around the shop, never buying
anything, and I thought, why is
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he here? A bit weird.
They've been spying on the store for months
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and months, Paul. But here's
what's weird, Tim. Not only did
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that make my skin crawl that these
people were there with under pretense, but
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if the guy turned up and said, do you know what, I'm really
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sorry, I'm thinking of selling the
store. These people would like to have
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a look, Is that okay?
I would have said of course, yeah.
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I also wouldn't have wouldn't have deployed
recently, all the new CD shelving
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or the new LED signage in the
window. I could have just paused those
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projects, which were you know,
they weren't massively expensive, but what a
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pain. That way of going about
things is just horrible. So that piss
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me off. I like more than
the notice period that these this underhand situation.
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So I really pushed back, and
luckily my friend was there's a he's
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a friend of the mayor, he
works for the government. Anyway, you
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and your connections in Belgrade. I
really pushed back hard against these guys,
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said right, I'm going to show
you the same courtesy that you've shown me.
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See every LED panel in the ceiling, see every light socket, every
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switch, all the plumbing, the
air conditioning. I changed everything because it
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was all dangerous, broken, causing
fusing. I didn't trouble the land or
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because I'm a good tenant. I
just wanted to get on with staff.
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I haven't got time to waste.
However, as a courtesy to you,
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I am now going to rip every
single speck of this out of the building.
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And you could see the blood draining
from their faces. Then my friend
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from the city took over and looked
at them all blasted them for a good
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twenty minutes without taking a breath.
Oh my god. An hour later,
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my lawyer phoned to me and says, oh, Hypaul, what happened in
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the store today? I went why? He said, I've just got a
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thing that thirty days is now sixty
days, and they're going to pay you
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for every single thing you've done for
the shop. You're kidding, I'm not
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kidding. They literally ran away with
their towels between their legs. Wow.
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So I mean you took I guess
you took a slight risk in in you
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know, going hard on them,
but it actually paid off. Oh.
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I completely lost it, completely lost
it when I realized what had been going
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on. Bloody hell, Paul,
what are you supposed to do? I'm
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very very proud of you. Anyway, we found a new premises and it's
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thirty seconds walk from the old one, and most importantly, it's got a
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bath. Most importantly, Tim so
in our in our house, our little
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house here, we have three bathrooms
but no bath. Now we have a
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shop which has our bath. Why
doesn't our shop have a bath? I
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know I was when I looked at
it. I was so confused little kicker
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on the bath. Yes, I
said to the guy, are you including
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this bath in the square meterage that
you're renting, because as a retail space,
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a bath, Yeah, it's it's
of no use? Is it of
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no use? What he didn't know
is that secretly I was like, yes,
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a bath. Oh god, wow, Paul, is it is the
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is the premises bigger than your current
premises a tiny bit six six square meters,
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but take away the bath there's a
bit of storage. So yeah,
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just just to put our listeners minds
at ease, the bath isn't in the
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shop, is it. No,
No, it's in the bath. It's
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in the bathroom. I just thought
i'd checked that. So well done,
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Paul. You've you've you've ridden this
this emotional wave of being kicked out of
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your shop very well. I think
I have and found a new one very
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quickly and smoothly. And I'm I'm
yeah, it's to your credit. Thanks.
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When when you message me to just
say hi, I'm being kicked out
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of the shop, my you know, my stomach did churn a bit and
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I thought, oh god, this
is going to be a big, awful
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epic. And then about maybe four
days later you're like, found one.
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It's got a bath so well,
well done, Well done, Paul,
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And I'm sure that you'll be You'll
be keeping us updated, won't you with
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with you know, with the excitement
of a of a new and improved shop.
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Oh, yes, very exciting.
Should we Should we do the news?
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Yes? What have you got,
Tim? Well, it's the same
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news that we have every few months, Paul, Oh, which is that
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record sales are up again, which
is obviously fantastic. But we were both
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doing a bit of research into this
and seeing if we could come up with,
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you know, a slightly new angle
on this exact same story. Indeed,
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and you and you found an article
on the Conversation dot com which suggests
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the reason. Yes, it's not
the only reason, Paul, But do
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you know the weird thing is somebody, this old boy was talking to me
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outside of the shop the other day
and this was he said this. He
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said this to me, Oh,
it's just people showing off, and I
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was like, oh really, And
then I happened to see this literally two
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days later. So what they're saying
is one of the likely reasons for the
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resurgence of records was identified by an
economist over a century ago checks out.
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In the late eighteen nineties, a
guy called Torstein Veblen looked at spending in
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society and wrote an influential book called
The Theory of the Leisure Class. Right
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now, Tim, would you say
your customers a part of the leisure class?
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Yes? Yes. He explains that
people buy items as a way to
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gain and convey status, because,
yeah, not everything in life is purchased
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because it is easy, fun,
or high quality. Sometimes harder, more
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time consuming or exotic items offer more
status. I think the kids call it
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flexing. Is this partly? I
suppose this is also why kindles and e
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readers haven't killed books. Yes,
because it's far more convenient to read a
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book on an e reader, yep. But the effort to go and purchase
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and carry around and read a real
book, you know. I don't think
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it's just convey status, but the
pleasure in that effort and that ritual because
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we've talked about ritual before, and
the ritual playing record is quite magical and
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powerful. I think if you can, if you if you combine Veblen's theory
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of leisure class about status, if
you combine that with ritual, I think
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I think you've got your answer.
And the one thing they haven't mentioned social
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media. So my customers will flex
their purchases on Instagram religiously, do they
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Yes, all the time. And
weirdly, some of them post pictures of
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records that they haven't actually bought.
So they come into the shop, they'll
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have their photo taken. Yeah,
with records. I'll see them on their
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Instagram feed and think, hang on, that's still in the rack there,
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but they're anyone looking at it.
I think they were totally Yeah, of
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course. Yeah, that's a weird
phenomenon. Have you had that? No,
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I haven't. I don't think i'd
like it. I'd like it because
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it's promoting the shop. But buy
it if you're gonna, if you're gonna
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make it look like you've bought it, you do have to buy it to
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get that to get that status,
the status that it conveys. Well,
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you don't, tim This is exactly
the point. You really don't have to
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buy it. Oh you're pulling a
face. Yikes. Listeners, have you
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ever have you ever posed with a
record and a record shop put it on
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your social media and not bought it
or like to shame you, that's one
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for the if you've done that right
to us, and we will put it
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on the confessional. I promise we
won't say who you are. I think
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it's a good theory. I think
it sounds like it is critical. You
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know, there's it's got an air
of that. It sounds a bit judgy,
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this this theory to say that it's
about status. But I think that
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there is a pleasure to be found
in. As you said, not everything
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in life is purchased or done because
it is easy or fun or of the
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highest quality. And I think that's
for someone one hundred and thirty years ago
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to have, you know, crystallized
that thought and it's still totally applicable now.
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Is pretty good, isn't it?
So no judgment here, Oh no,
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no, it's just we're just just
an observation. Now, Tim,
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this isn't really news, but it's
really starting to wind me up. And
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I want to ask you about.
Okay, people who come into your shop
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right now, I've been to your
shop. You've been to there's plenty of
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space at the front of the rack
for you to just flick the records gently
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forward. I would even say there
is deliberately plenty of space to do that.
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But yes, one thing that pisses
me off is shops that overfill their
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racks so you can't flip through like
that. Of course we've covered this,
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so yes, continue. I've noticed
this recent trend of people who flick from
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the back. They start lifting the
back wreck back record and to do this
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up down motion from the back to
the front. They lift every record.
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Ye, starting at the back.
So I've I've had this. And so
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I'll be busy behind the counter doing
something, looking at records, looking on
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my laptop, cleaning something. I
identify these people through sound. Yes,
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so you'll be doing something else and
you'll hear fuck th th th thack,
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and that is some nutter. That's
something else. Then, no, is
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some nutter lifting and dropping from the
back every single record. And yes,
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it has happened in our shop,
and I do not understand it. And
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I'll go further, Paul, in
our shop, it's people looking at a
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certain genre of music as well,
right, do you want to elaborate?
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I do, And it's the same. And please don't be upset if you
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are a regular in our shop and
this is the genre that you look at.
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The people who do that are the
same people who when they've gone,
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and you go and maybe tidy up. At the end of the day,
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you will find records upside down,
back to front, sideways on Oh yeah,
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record not put back into the inner
sleeve. That only happens in one
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genre, is it? Beard music? Team? It only happens in Duff
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Duff music. Oh oh, of
course, half my shop is for DJ's
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team. It looks like I've been
burgled once they've left, So, Paul,
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it doesn't fucking happen with jazz,
indie, psycho, reggae. It
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only happens in techno, house,
breaks, whatever. But these people don't
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don't dig from the back. They
do flick forward. It's just because they
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pick out fifty or sixty records to
audition. They go back in just a
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chaotic manner, even though I try
and put them back myself. Would it
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kill them to put them back in
a nice way? No, just leave
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them, I'll do it, I
keep saying to them, I pay myself
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to do this. Yes, yes, And that sounds like a kindness,
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but it's actually because you know that
if they put them back, I'll put
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them back in an absolute fucking state. So, dance people, could you
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sort yourselves out? Please? Yeah. Tim. One other little niggle people
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who come in rather holding their phone, shopping bags whenever it might be,
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and try to look through records with
one hand. You can't do it.
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It's all coming out now, it's
all coming out, Paul. Not just
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not really, because they make a
right faff of it and they just I'm
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just like, put your stuff down, use two hands. I've even said
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to one person who was making such
a right mess. It's much easier if
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you use two hands. Would you
like me to take your bags? Oh?
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People tend to put their bags on
the floor in the shop. One
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thing, do you think one?
I know one thing that also does happen,
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which may have happened to you,
is people will come in with a
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takeaway cup of coffee, you know, with a lid or thing, and
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they will balance them on the rack
next to the one they're looking at and
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then start flicking. Yep, so
that's happened to you as well. I
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cannot believe that anyone would do that. It happened the other day somebody brought
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in a bottle of Fanta. Yeah, and on the on the sort of
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the apex at the front of the
rack with the where the divider meets the
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front. He balanced it there.
Wow, And I looked at him and
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I was like, my friend,
you really can't leave that there, because
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can you see the future. And
he's like, oh yeah, sorry man,
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sorry, Wow. Yeah, it
happens. It happens too often to
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just be you know, it is
a thing that happens. And people are
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normally people who are always very nice
when we say, oh could you could
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you not do that please? But
yeah, I have to. There's quite
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a big drinking culture where we are, so sometimes get a group in that
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can we bring our beer in?
Oh it's drunk shopper And I'm like,
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if you're really careful, fine,
And of course twice I've been mopping up
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spilt beer. But it's on the
floor, so it's not the end of
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the world. But yeah, yeah, But did they spend more money because
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they were pissed? Paul, No, no, no, no, no,
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no no no. It's not like
they were on Rakia. It's not
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like I was at borco shop where
he gets you drunk and then gets you
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to spend your money. It's very
clever, that, isn't it. Even
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though that that wasn't news, I
guess that concludes the news portion. It
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was just more too old record shop
men when about their customers. But I
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quite enjoyed it. Now, Paul, you've done something which some people are
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going to find unbelievably exciting and something
which exists at the at the white hot
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tip of technological developments. It does. What have you done? So I
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was I was literally in the shop. This couple came into the store and
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said, you're Paul, aren't you. I went, yes, we listened
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to your show. We've brought you
a cup of cup of coffee. And
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I'm like, okay, what's going
on here? This is weird because they
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were from somewhere from overseas. I
still, We're from Belarus, we live
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in London. We come to see
you. We've got this really good idea.
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I'm like, okay, how would
you like to go record shopping in
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Japan from your home? I'm like, yes, please sign me up.
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Yes. So he's created a platform
and a streaming technology and hired freelance diggers
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around the world. You can go
record shopping in America Japan, but primarily
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this is a Japan thing, especially
for Europeans. Okay, these are local
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diggers. You can go into this
website. You can choose the diggie you
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want. You can tell him which
shops to go to, or ask them
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for recommendations. I should say this
is beat. I think bitter testing.
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Yeah, they have like a special
sort of harness thing where they clip in
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there camera. They're an earpiece so
they can hear you. They'll go to
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the store and very gently and carefully
lift up each record from the section from
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the back. Interested in yet from
the back you can say pause, can
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I ever closer? Look? Price? You'll get all the information. The
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guy I hired fantastic, just fantastic, really cool guy. He went to
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three stores for me, got loads
of I gave him a little sort of
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art style of artists and music I
wanted in advance. I got loads of
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cheap sort of rock and pop stuff
with the Abbie, some really cool soundtracks,
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a smith's test pressing. Yeah,
incredible floating around one shop. And
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the bargain of the day I think
was the Alien soundtrack from Japan for twelve
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quid with Abby. Yes, yeah, crazy, someone is going to just
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flip for that in your shop.
Yeah yeah, and it very reasonably priced.
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We're just doing the paperwork to get
them shipped here slightly more complicated for
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Serby than any other country. But
I can tell you now, in the
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two two and a half hours I
had the guy, I bought eighty eight
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records. That's a lot. Yeah, Oh my god, I didn't think
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you didn't think you'd got that many, dude, I know muck about when
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I'm record shopping. Jesus Paul.
I'm like, yes, yes, no,
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no, yes no, And if
you don't mind telling us a ballpark
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figure, how much did you spend? Roughly? Oh, apparently I set
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a target of one thousand pounds and
I think I spent something like a thousand
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and twenty. And then and then
you're going to have to pay shipping fees
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and potentially customs fees. Yes,
in a future episode, we're going to
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we'll report back and say the kind
of final analysis that's it. We will
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report back on the total costs.
And because the services aimed at record stores,
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but I suspect it more likely high
net worth or individuals or all people
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who just want to have a splurge. Yeah. Yeah. But so the
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real question that I'm sure everyone is
asking is how does this business idea make
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any money? Ah? Well,
well we'll cover that. When everythink when
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the stuff arrives and we'll go through
the numbers, okay, because does it
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make sense to you a little bit? Yes, I can see scaling the
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business might be tricky, but I
could. I mean, the idea,
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the execution, everything is good.
It's just how the platform generates good revenue
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that will be the key, because
I'm I'm super excited about it. But
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what might The thing that I'm struggling
with is either for them to make money,
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the costs for you doing it will
have to creep up, because if
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you've got buying the records, paying
a fee, doing the shipping, doing
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the customs, it starts to feel
a little bit more expensive. Or if
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the fee is are minimal and therefore
it's more appealing for you to do it,
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they hardly make anything correct, so
it's it's really really interesting, but
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it's I mean, it's super exciting, and I'm incredibly jealous that they came
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into your shop and not ours.
Please do let us know what goes on.
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I'm very very keen to hear if
this kind of ends up working,
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because bloody hell, it's quite exciting. Paul. Shall we get the latest
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highs and lows of new pressing Records
from the lovely Gareth of Clash Magazine.
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Oh yes, please take it away, Gareth. Hello, let's get started
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with some new releases, shall we. I know a lot of people were
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very excited about the new Pet Shot
Boys compilation. There are those that say,
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do we need another Pet Shot Boys
compilation? However, what happened here
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is they were planning on doing a
vinyl reissue of Discography, the famous original
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compilation which sounds superb on its original
two LP vinyl, very hard to find
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these days, so the label asked
the band if they'd be up for reissuing
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it, at which point the band, being as they are at Chris and
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Neil were then having a conversation,
but can we do Discography two and three
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and kind of continue the series,
look at the rest of our singles.
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They even got as far as making
artwork for these releases before they realize,
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no, let's just do a big
box set. And so Chris came up
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with the name Smash because of obviously
Neil being part of Smash Hits and the
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fact it suggests a big hit single. So what you end up with is
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a six LP set. She essentially
works out as two LPs for each of
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Discography one, two, and three, so the concept is still basically there.
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This comes in quite a nice shiny
outer box and then you've got six
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individual LPs inside with this distorted artwork
that many people who have seen that Pharaoh
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came up with for the project.
The big question is is it worth spending
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just over one hundred pounds on these
six LPs for songs that you know,
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if you're a Petriot Boys fan,
Let's be honest, you've probably already got
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because you buy everything. That's what
Petriot Boys fans are like. It's okay,
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you know. The remastering that's been
done by Andy Baldwin at Metropolis is
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quite squashed. Particularly listen to the
digital edition of it. You will notice
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there's very little dynamic range going on. It still sounds pretty good, because
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it's not like they're a band that
had masses of dynamic range in their more
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recent work. Anyway, However,
that first compilation Discography does sound really open,
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and if you compare the tracks from
the original discography to those tracks on
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this new set, I would argue
it's really noticeably better on the original version.
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And if you then think about pop
Art, which came out in the
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early naughties, which people criticize the
sound quality of at the time, that
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it too sort of loaded towards the
high end and it didn't really deal with
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the bass very well. This time
around, I think, you know,
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sound like Flamboyant that was new on
pop art sounds probably slightly better on pop
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art than it does on smash.
So it's one of those where if you
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want everything together, I mean,
it's an incredible body of work. These
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singles are superb and it's a great
reminder that they've not been sitting by idly
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for the last few years. The
more recent stuff still sounds excellent too.
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When you've got tracks like the Pop
Kids in there and Monkey Business stuff like
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that, they've still been great.
Essentially, if you're a collector, you'll
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probably want it. If you're a
casual purchaue probably be fine with it.
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If you're looking for an upgrade,
I wouldn't bother. Dan Kroll is a
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name that was fairly new to me
in this respect, but his new album
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Fools you can get it for under
twenty quid. It was done at press
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on viol in the UK. It
is a bargain presentation. However, the
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music is far from cheap. You've
got Matthew E. White on co production,
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so you get a lovely, warm, rich bass sound. Two things
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sounds somewhere between sort of ten CC
and Josh Rouse, which is quite a
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comforting oral sort of soundtrack. I
would suggest sunkissed kind of indie power pop
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with that AM radio field. Really
lovely stuff. Title track in particular is
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a way in if you want to
sample it. Very straightforward but blissful kind
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of course, is ideal for summer
months. Got a lovely orange leave too
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as well, and the pressing I
thought was pretty good too. FeelA Brazilia
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retrospective that they put out a few
years back has been reduxed for recent eras
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they reformed it a little bit during
the COVID years. So it's now nineteen
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twenty twenty two, and this is
kind of, you know, electronic music
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of various different hues. You've got
the kind of banging stuff of the early
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days and then more introspective and expansive
stuff that has followed over time. And
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Rewarm Label, who are doing some
fabulous stuff these days, have put this
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out again in a kind of updated
format, so it's not technically a reshoot's
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a kind of expanded version and previous
digital only tracks have now made it to
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vinyl, along with a new piece, Toro de Fuego and sound stage.
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It's absolutely enormous on this. It's
a pretty quiet, optimal pressing and if
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that's been catching your eye then you
can proceed without any worries at all.
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It sounds fantastic. And finally,
Jim. It's not the most imaginative new
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stage name for Jim Barron, but
it's just Jim Capital letters. Jim used
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to be one member of Electronic at
Crazy P now doing kind of introspective West
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Country folk that sounds a bit like
Crosby Steals and Nash. There's a bit
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of Terry Callier in there, and
it also reminds me of the Steve Mason
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debut album Boys Outside, which is
greatly underrated twenty ten release which I think
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is just beautiful. Loads of this
kind of stuff going on. There's gorgeous
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strings from the Long Eaton Quartet on
there, and beautiful mastering from Simon Mills.
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It's been done in the UK via
Vinyl. Present sounds great to me.
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A tiny bit of service noise here
and there, but the actual mastering
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of its superb album is called Love
Makes Magic. But even if you know
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this artist of old, he doesn't
sound like that. Now. Problem is,
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of course, by calling yourself Jim, you make yourself almost ungoogleable.
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So if you do want to search
for that, then the album is called
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Love Makes Magic by Jim. So
Gareth, my favorite part of your segment
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is who is on the naughty step? And why well this one it's almost
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a naughty step this time. I've
been prevaricating over the last few times we've
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spoken and being a little bit too
gentle, but I mean this one's a
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bit of a bizarre one. I
am a big fan of the half speed
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remastering in general. You know,
they're not always great. We've talked about
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this before. If you've got a
bad sauce, then half speed remastering won't
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make that better. It'll just you
know, use a half speed curve bad
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sauce and so Down the years people
have been oddly against these as a format.
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I think partly because they think it
might be snake orl and so and
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so forth. I don't buy you
know. I've spoken to my Shoal about
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his practices at Abbey Road. I
know he did a wonderful job on that
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Abber reissue we spoke about previously,
and lots of his stuff is fantastic,
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but for some reason they've opted for
a two times forty five rpm half speed
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remaster of Tom Waite's debut album,
Closing Time. Now it's a super record,
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and I say this as a big
fan of the album man of Tom
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Waits in general. I've got an
original issue, you know, it's not
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first press or this on the other
the first few years, which sounds tremendous,
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nice and open, great lp.
I tried the twenty eighteen Waits Brennan
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remaster, as they were officially branded
by the sticker on the outside, and
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I found them quite heavy, and
a lot of people at the time thought
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the bottom end was a bit boosted
on those reissues and that they didn't quite
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capture that open ended magic. And
you know, with Tom Waits, there
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is that kind of creaking necessity to
the sound stage that you want to enjoy,
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which wasn't there really, And so
I think the half speed remuster has
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done a fine job with what it's
got, but I wouldn't be at all
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surprised if it's not using the same
mastering because to my mind, it sounded
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similarly slightly disappointing. The pressing was
reasonably quiet done through record industry in Netherlands,
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but not as quite as I'm used
to from them are either. So
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I'm sitting there thinking thirty two pounds
for a two LP at forty five rpm.
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In theory, that's gonna make the
sound awful lot better. But if
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you don't put in the best source
to start with, then there's no point
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blaming the person cutting it. It's
what they're working with. So you know,
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if you've already got an original or
if you're happy with the twenty eighteen.
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I can't really see the circumstances where
you'd actually want to stump up thirty
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quid fo this other than being a
really obsessive collector, because beyond that,
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you know, it sounds okay.
I don't really see the point. So
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what impossible to find desperately needed reissues
are up this episode? Please Gareth all
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sorts this month. It's a it's
a Smager's board of delights. I can
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start with Eels Blinking Lights another relations
which in many ways it was their last
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great moment as a band. Originally
it didn't come out on vinyl. Then
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a little bit later they did a
very very deluxe box set edition that was
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only really sold in the US.
It made it over to the UK Vira
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import. Then it's sold out very
quickly. Then a few damage copies got
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dredged up again, but people really
struggled to find it, and it was
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one of those way if you didn't
want a live album and a hard back
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book, you couldn't just buy the
album. Now they did a load of
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reissues recently and now they've done this
one as a three LP set been pressed
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through tack, pressed on purple vinyl
pressing. Over All, this pretty good,
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I would suggest, sounds decent to
me, and you know, the
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mastering is excellent. Take a track
like Heyman, now You're Really Living,
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which was the big single from that
time, and that absolutely burst from the
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speak is a real pleasure to listen
to. There's a twelve inch by twelve
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inch booklets. I assume it's a
kind of paper copy of the thing that
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was hardback previously on the old box
set. Really enjoy it. I think
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it looks fantastic. A little bit
surprised by the fact that when it first
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came out it seemed to be retailing
around thirty five thirty six quid for three
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LPs, which I thought was rather
generous, And then when I was looking
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it back up to talk to you
about this, it seems to be closer
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to fifty now, So I don't
know if somebody, somebody in the distribution
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plant went ag on a minute,
what we're doing here. So if you
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can find it slightly cheaper, grab
it, because I don't think it'll be
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at that price for much longer.
And Matt Berries Killed the Wolf is an
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album my cherish. You know,
he's made some fantastic records through his musical
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career, and there's a temptation to
assume it's just going to be comedy music
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because of his acting work, but
these are beautiful records. This is a
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man who essentially manages to make a
nineteen sixty nine folk album that should be
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a Mojo berried treasure piece. Every
single time he goes in the studio.
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It is remarkable. The mastering is
superb. It really sounds like that sort
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of turn of the seventies production.
Bottom end is beautiful, but it's warm
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in the way that is probably cliche, but it's true. Ten years since
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the original release, there's been a
couple of reissues since, but now it's
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on two LPs. It is on
blood splatter vinyl, which I'll never quite
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fully understand, but actually it's quite
quiet GEZ pressing that actually holds up.
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It comes in at under thirty quid
for the double LP set, beautiful gatefold
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artwork. If you buy it straight
from Acid Jazz, you can get a
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bonus seven inch in there as well. I think it sounds fantastic. I
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think the mastering continues to be absolutely
excellent. Opener Gather Up is just this
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gorgeous, unraveling folk thing. There's
a great track on there called Solstice that
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is just totally atmospheric and absorbing.
And then my favorite song on there,
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which you know, genuinely an all
time favorite song, is Medicine, which
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does just sound like something that was
recorded fifty years ago and sparkles to this
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day. And they've added all the
bonus bits that were on the box set
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edition, which is very hard to
find to make the second LP so again
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good value in that respect too.
You get to kill the wolf EP material,
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you get the bonus bits from the
CD that was in the box set,
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loads of other stuff, really good
selection of bonus bits if you love
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that album, and honestly, if
you're going to do it for under thirty
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quid double LP reissue from an indie
label, you can't really fault their efforts
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there. The big thing that's been
kind of discussing audio file circumstances recently is
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a label called new Land, who
I've mentioned once or twice before with some
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jazz reissues. They've done a box
set of Dorothy Ashby albums and her Cadet
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music stuff has been sampled quite a
lot, and one of her titles from
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that era was recently reissued by Jack
White with this new third Man imprint that
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he's doing a verve reissues. Sadly
that you know, the covers on those
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look appalling, The sleeves are fairly
cheap. The mastering's great pressings are a
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bit variable. However, for this
new Land box set, what they've done
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is go to the albums before the
period where she was heavily sampled. Now
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she's a jazz harpist, absolutely lyrical, playing really beautiful recordings from that time,
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and these are six albums taken from
that era. They've gone back to
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the master tapes. They've been very
honest in the accompanying book, and it's
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a gorgeous book that comes with it, that two of the album their original
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tapes are lost, and so they've
been very clear they've had to use a
491
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replica source. To my mind,
I don't think it sounds massively worse than
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the other sources, which you know, it still sounds tremendous, But I
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really appreciate a label being upfront about
that sort of thing, because we've seen
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what happens when people don't. So
you've got six audio file cuts by Kevin
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Gray using his usual analog chain that
we used to do from things like the
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Blue Note reissues, and they've been
pressed at Palace, which these days isn't
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quite as perfect it has been.
There's a tiny bit of noise here and
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there, but it kind of played
and cleaned out. And I will just
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point out one of these six LPs, few copies have got out into the
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wild, where the first album has
the same side on both sides. There's
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a manufacturing issue at the plant,
which the label are totally sorting and honoring,
502
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So fair play to them. In
the unlikely chance you were to get
503
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an edition like that, contact them
and they'll see you right, But honestly,
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the music across this the debut album
The Jazz Harpist, is just stunning.
505
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And as it moves through the series
of the six LPs at the Fantastic
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Jazz Hub of Dorothy Ashby, I
thought was a particular highlight that these are
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beautiful, beautiful records. There's only
a thousand of this box. Now.
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The stinger is that, because you
are buying audio file jazz LPs, that
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they've only made a thousand of.
It comes in a beautiful silver full box
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set, but I will tell you
it's two hundred pounds. Now, if
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you think in terms of blue note
tone poets, if you bought six tone
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post, that's going to cost you
about two hundred and twenty two thirty.
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So it's not ridiculous. There is
a booklet in there. It's ridiculous against
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prices from five years ago, but
it's not ridiculous against current prices. And
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this is a niche product. They
know they're serving a niche Having said that,
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if you are interested in this,
I wouldn't hang around. My understanding
517
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is the copies aren't flying out because
people have been waiting for these titles for
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ages and they've been very very well
done. So while I appreciate this will
519
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:01.480
be for everyone, indeed it will
very lightly only be for a couple of
520
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people. If you are on the
fence about this, I would not hang
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around. I thought it was beautiful. I'm very impressed. It's one of
522
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the most beautiful things I've reviewed this
year, So Dorothy Ashby the the set
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is called with Strings attached. If
you're attempted, don't hang around. And
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finally the big one. Lots of
people have been waiting for this as a
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reissue. Hopefully it heralds the start
of a whole series of reissues. Girls
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Alouds debut Sound of the Underground has
made it too Vinyl and the Universal of
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00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.840
opted for two editions, so there
is a green vinyl edition and there is
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a picture disc edition. Both use
the same part and I cut through Gez
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the green vinyl pressing after a clean
thought. I thought sounded pretty good.
530
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.119
It needed a bit of a clean
up the usual bits on the disc,
531
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but actually largely played silently, and
considering you've got quite a lot of music
532
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on there and the master ring has
been done pretty well, it does not
533
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.000
end up a kind of big blurry
mess when you get towards the center of
534
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.280
the disc. I will just at
this point mention, if you love this
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00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.239
kind of music and you've not read
Michael Crag's book Reach for the Stars,
536
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which is an oral history of that
kind of music from sort of ninety six
537
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.840
to the mid noughties, honestly,
go and grab it and take it with
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you wherever you go this summer.
You will love it. But this albums,
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it's fifty four minutes, the most
bizarre stuff. They became incredible when
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they cemented their partnership with Xenomania for
all the albums that followed. For this
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album, they're partly working with Xenomania
and then partly loads of other people that
542
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.239
were brought in when you won a
TV talent show. So some of the
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00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.480
songs are great, some of them
are not so great. You've got,
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you know, overlooked treat of a
single, Life Got Cold. There's a
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00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.840
track that's been written produced by Betty
Boo called Miles Attack that really sounds like
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00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.440
it's a Betty Boo song. But
you know, when you can get the
547
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.800
Xenomania stuff involved, it sounds superb. And yeah, they've done a great
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00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.639
job on the artwork. They've rendered
it for vinyl. You know. It's
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one of the things where if you've
been waiting for this, they've really delivered
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and hopefully we'll get the rest of
the catalog soon. Well, Gareth,
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I've just had the electric bill.
I've not got a lot left, so
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what am I spending of the pick
of the pops? Well? This is
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the Kit have got their latest record
out now via Rough Trade and Kate Stables
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has used this name for many,
many years. Originally it was just a
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stage name for her as a singer, and now she has a band formed
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around that name. This is the
Kit and Careful of Your Keepers is their
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latest album. It's just over twenty
pounds, so price very sensibly. I
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00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.719
was suggest by rough Trade. It
is an optimal pressing as well, so
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00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.400
it sounds pretty good, pretty quiet
in that respect. The green vinyl edition,
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which is what I sampled, came
with the hypstick saying exclusive locked groove.
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I'm not sure a locked groove necessarily
warrants the title exclusive, and it
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does just mean that towards the end
of it you just get this, you
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know, the last bit on the
end of one side. And is that
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a selling point? I don't know
what is a selling point. It's an
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incredible album and it's been produced by
Griff Reiths from Superfurry Animals. It is
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sonically just spectacular. What I've always
loved about this is the Kid is the
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textures to the music. So what
you find with her records is there's just
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loads of lots of layers going on. They're kind of languid, so it
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doesn't kind of bash you about the
head. It just gradually builds beautifully hypnotic,
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you know, And I'm always conscious
that whenever I review her music,
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I'm at risk of using all of
the music review of cliches because there's warmth,
572
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.800
there's depth, there's texture, it's
hypnotic. It's all those things that
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you kind of try to reaching for, but it does them all so beautifully.
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I think her vocal style is absolutely
magnificent. I think it's been beautifully
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recorded for this record. If you
try the track Take You to Sleep,
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if you want a sense of those
kind of lovely building textures, that should
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give you a great sense. And
there's a moment on Goodbye Bite where the
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brass kicks in and that just makes
me beam with joy every time that happens.
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It's just absolutely gorgeous and then inside
outside just just sort of ascends into
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this wonderful pile of noise towards the
end, which is also just fantastic.
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And when I wrote about this,
I compared it to the spirit of the
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Spirit of Eden era Talk Talk,
which I think for some people is hopefully
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00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.639
a good reference point as well.
You know, Mastring's be done by Jason
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Mitchell Atloud. I think it honestly, it sounds totally sublime. Kate's voice
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is just wonderful throughout. And if
you've ever liked her work, and some
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of you might know her through collaborations
with a national as well, and if
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you've ever liked her work, then
make sure you give this one a listen.
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But even if she's totally new to
you, like I said, perhaps
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try the track take You to Sleep. But the album's called Careful of Your
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Keepers. It's out on Rough Trade
and it's from this is the kit.
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Thank you ever so much, Gareth
Garetha of Clash Magazine. If you want
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more from Gareth, find him on
Twitter at just Played, where he has
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a weekly mailing list which is proving
very popular. Here. Fantastic, Thank
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you, Gareth, Tim Been twenty
Record fairs lately, yes, any good.
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Well, I think record fairs are
going downhill because I think that dealer's
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prices are going and I think that
they're just they're suckered in. It's it's
597
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:44.159
not uncommon now for me to see
Thriller by Michael Jackson for twenty five quid
598
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.920
in a record fair and that I
just don't think that used to happen.
599
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.559
So you'll still get if you go
to a big record fair, there'll be
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one or two tables that are fantastic, and then every other table you'll quickly
601
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learn, oh, there's no point
me looking here because they've put twenty quid
602
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.280
on abbot or whatever. And it
really didn't used to be the case.
603
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.400
So I'm yeah, I'm not sure
about the future of record affairs at the
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00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.840
moment. Well, I've been to
a couple. I think we mentioned it
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00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.400
maybe the last episode. I went
to the one in Niche Rubbish. I
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think only one cellar ad prices and
all the rest didn't, so I just
607
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was just a complete waste of time. And I went to one last week
608
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and there were only three sellers.
Two had no prices, so again I
609
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just one of them. I would
have probably had twenty or thirty titles.
610
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But I am not going through the
performance of saying how much is this?
611
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How much is this? How much
is this? How it's just ridiculous.
612
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.280
No, it's horrible. One guy
did have prices and yet a Yugoslavian cure
613
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.199
disintegration. I thought, oh,
I'll have that, yes, And then
614
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:52.719
I saw the price and it was
double the actual cost or worth, and
615
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.320
I just thought, I know,
there's no point. I'm not haggling in
616
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down by sixty percent. So I
just walked away from that one and left
617
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complete waste of time. But Paul, one of our listeners, has had
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an interesting experience at a record fair. A friend of the show, Simon
619
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Galloway over on Elon Musk's Twitter,
reported of a very odd experience a record
620
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fair, which I will tell you
now. He says, I fancied a
621
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browse, so I went along to
this record fair. There wasn't much there
622
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.199
for me at a price that i'd
want to pay, As we said Paul,
623
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Anyway, I'd been there for a
while when I happened upon a stall
624
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with a few boxes of three pound
LPs, which are the best things that
625
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.440
i'd seen there. Just as an
aside always. My favorite bits at record
626
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.480
fairs are the one pound box,
two pound box, three pound box of
627
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.840
albums because somebody might hate a kind
of music that I love, and they
628
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might just like in your case,
dance music, Paul, And you can
629
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still get treasure, I think in
the bargain boxes because it's a to genre
630
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or band that is overlooked by the
seller. Very quick confession. My hatred
631
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of you two runs so deep that
I always put their records in the bargain
632
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:15.360
bin. Oh my god, right, thank you, yikes. Simon continues.
633
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:22.320
The stallholder took exception to how I
was looking at his precious bargain bin
634
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offerings and told me to stop looking
at his records. I'd already pulled a
635
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.239
few out by this point, but
he refused to sell them to me.
636
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.320
I tried to carry on looking,
and he threatened to call a security guard,
637
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:44.280
so I told him to By this
point, he was shaking in anger,
638
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:49.119
and all I wanted to do was
by a few cheap LPs. I
639
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:53.039
offered him the cash, and he
point blank refused and kept threatening me with
640
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the security guard. I would have
happily had a chat with said guard.
641
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.000
In the end, I walked away
rather baffled, and not a single one
642
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:07.079
of the stalls got any money from
me. Paul, what the what?
643
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:13.599
So this is someone who was is
having a time, isn't it this this
644
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seller? Do you think Simon was
lifting the records from the back Simon?
645
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If you were, I think we
may have found the reason. Admit it.
646
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:31.400
You're a backlifter. Backlift, that's
a come on, Simon, Oh
647
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.960
dear, I mean I've got nothing
on this. I mean I can't find
648
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.400
it. Well, apart from backlifting, I can't see any reason why anyone
649
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.039
would would take this attitude with it
with somebody looking at their stock of The
650
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.840
obvious way to come out of this
segment is to ask listeners have they ever
651
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.079
had any experiences like this? What's
the what's the strangest way you've been dealt
652
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:57.880
with by a weird, rude,
aggressive or passive aggressive record dealer? Because
653
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:04.280
I've definitely had a sort of weird, unpleasant experiences, sarcastic nastiness from dealers,
654
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.360
but I've never I don't think I've
ever had anyone refused to sell me
655
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.079
records because they didn't like the way
that I flipped through. We did have
656
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in the early days of our shop. Someone did record a half hour I
657
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:20.920
think I've mentioned this before, a
half hour YouTube rant about how awful we
658
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.000
are because we wouldn't give him an
additional discount on two quid bargain records.
659
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:36.159
I remember that, what a swat
tad you did a pole? Why did
660
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.880
you do this pole? What was
the reasoning behind this? Explain I like
661
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.480
a pole? Well. I have
recently discovered the joys and sometimes not so
662
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:51.519
much, of going to other record
shops in the country with a bag of
663
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:57.960
records pulled out from our stock,
which maybe I'm less interested in. Or
664
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.039
we've had multiple copies of the same
record recently, or we've had them in
665
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.960
their racks for a few months and
they haven't sold and I'm kind of bored
666
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.320
of seeing them there. So not
rubbish, but just stuff that for various
667
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.719
reasons I can tolerate. Moving on. I find it often it's because of
668
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.599
multiple copies of stuff. So I've
now taken to go into other record shops
669
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:23.079
and trading them in. So the
theory is you get more bang for your
670
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:29.119
buck than you would as a cash
offer for the records. It doesn't feel
671
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.639
like you've spent any money, and
then you can pick up things from their
672
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:36.800
shop which you wouldn't have bought at
the price got you that they've put it
673
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.480
out. So let's say a Tom
Waits record that you would sell for twenty
674
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:44.079
quid, they've got for twenty quid, So you couldn't just buy it wouldn't
675
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.599
make any sense. But if you're
trading in a bunch of records that you
676
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:51.800
feel, you know you've already earned
a bit of money from the collection they
677
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:54.199
came from. They haven't sold yet, they're just they're dead stock at the
678
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.000
moment, so move them on,
get some credit, and then you come
679
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.119
back with things that you actually do
want. You don't make much money that
680
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.159
way, but you get to put
lovely things in your shop and keep the
681
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:14.039
keep the stock moving. But what
has really really shocked me is how many
682
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:19.440
of the shops I've gone into have
tried to get me to tell them how
683
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:25.320
much they should be offering for this
assorted bag of records. M Because I
684
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.280
naively didn't think that any shops do
that. Because it's your business, it's
685
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.920
your expertise. You need to tell
me how much you're you know, for
686
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.000
one thing, there could be rare
stuff in there that I've overlooked, and
687
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:42.760
you're hoping that I'll give you a
low amount and then you can go yes,
688
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.280
great, lovely, which I think
is often why they do it.
689
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.400
Well, that's why they do it, but but well, but it's also
690
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.880
laziness, isn't it? And with
apologies to any record dealers who do it
691
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.679
this way. You may well have
your reasons, but I was. I
692
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:04.239
personally was really shocked. I would
about at least half more than half of
693
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.000
the shops that I went into try
to get me to come up with the
694
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.840
price for them, and I just
couldn't believe it. So I took to
695
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.920
Elon Musk's Twitter and I set a
pole. When selling or trading records to
696
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.480
a shop, do the staff usually
come up with an offer or do they
697
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.280
ask you how much you want?
We had sixty five votes. Thank you
698
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:31.159
to everyone for voting, and I
think it is quite high. Sixty seven
699
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.480
point seven percent said no, the
shop makes me an offer, which is
700
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:39.400
what it should do. But thirty
two point three percent of responders said the
701
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:45.920
shop wants a figure from me.
So listeners, what do you think?
702
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.199
Do you think that's acceptable? So, Tim, I do exactly the same
703
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.679
as you do. I'll take the
records in, I'll look each one of
704
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.320
them up. That it takes time, but you never know what you're going
705
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.559
to find. And as you say, there could be something really rare in
706
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:04.320
there. What's here? I bet
you've probably never had this, But I
707
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.360
get this maybe one or two times
each week. I've got some records for
708
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.519
sale. How much will you give
me for them? There are no records
709
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.920
on their person, there are no
details of the records. Just a person
710
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.159
walks in and says, I have
some records, how much will you give
711
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.559
me for them? And this happens
at least twice a week. I mean,
712
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.360
if you know, in our shop, if that happened once in a
713
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.559
year, we would think, wow, that was a bit weird. Do
714
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.679
you know the reply I give them
go on, how long is a piece
715
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.079
of string? Oh? I bet
they love that, Paul. They do
716
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:43.840
not, They really don't. So
that must be culturally that. Yes,
717
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.719
there is this sense in Serbia of
the value of a record, and maybe
718
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:52.159
it's one euro yeah, yeah,
yeah. There's no concept that they have
719
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:57.280
a different value depending on banned year, rarity, condition, any of this
720
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.199
stuff. It's just here's a record. It has a value, and this
721
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:06.239
applies to every single one weirder.
Well, you've previously told me that you've
722
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:10.559
also had to somewhat teach the people
of Belgrade that grading is a factor.
723
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.199
I'm the only shop that has grading, and would would the shops of your
724
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:20.280
neck of the woods kind of just
priced the record the same, pretty much
725
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.800
like, oh, it's a craft
work album, it's worth this courage and
726
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.880
then you have to check the condition
and no, it's not worth this much.
727
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.840
That so weird, isn't it?
Very weird? Cultural difference? Paul?
728
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.119
I love it. Well, that's
it. I just wanted to raise
729
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.320
it and I was really really curious
to see if it was just me.
730
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.480
You know, I'm sorry that there
was one case where a guy tried to
731
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.559
get me to come up with the
price and I refused, and so he
732
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.440
come up with the price and it
was a bit low, but it was
733
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.280
tolerable. And then when when we
were kind of settling up, I just
734
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.920
happened to mention to him, oh
and oh and I said, oh,
735
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:57.559
and you know this um, this
metal picture, this twelve inch, it's
736
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.440
worth about forty quid. You know, I said to know that right,
737
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:06.440
and he went, oh m.
He'd basically I then realized put it on
738
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.519
his pile of these are aquid each
because I could see what else he'd put
739
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.119
in that pile. So he got
his phone out. I think he got
740
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.320
his phone out for the first time
looking at the entire record collection. I
741
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.639
don't think he'd looked up anything.
And he did a quick look on Discogs
742
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:30.480
and went oh, and then he
said, okay, go and pick another
743
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.480
record out of the racks, and
I'll give you that one as well.
744
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.800
Tim. People are unhappy with Discogs
again. So we've got two Discogs related
745
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:49.239
things we're going to through here quickly. Matt Haynes writes in to say that
746
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:54.480
he has broken a kind of thirty
hiatus and come back to record collecting.
747
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:59.320
It's been binging the show. Thank
you very much, welcome. But he's
748
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:05.039
given four examples here of purchases he's
made when what has turned up has not
749
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.360
been what he was expecting, and
weirdly all Depeche Mode. He tried to
750
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.280
buy a Spanish copy of World in
My Eyes a UK one turned up.
751
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.800
He tried to buy a marbled viol
German copy of Master of Servant. Of
752
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.559
course it was a standard UK release. Wow, a suffer well promo which
753
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.920
was very similar looking promo, but
it was wrongly picked again. And then
754
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:35.440
the worst offender, a very expensive
VG plus copy of Excit turned up and
755
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:40.239
it was a battered reissue. Oh
my god. I mean I've I've not
756
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.280
really had I've never know and it's
nothing. I mean, I've had the
757
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:50.880
odd that this wasn't quite the condition, but nothing that I've never had anything
758
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.800
like this. I've had things turned
up broken in half. Yeah. Anyway,
759
00:52:54.840 --> 00:53:00.639
Matt wants to know other listeners,
what has been your worst experience of
760
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:06.320
buying something on discogs? What's turned
up compared to what you were expecting?
761
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.320
And I mean I would throw it
open to eBay as well. I have
762
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.559
to say. Yes, you know, it's the world of buying blind,
763
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.760
isn't it. So listeners, you
can email us, you can find us
764
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.679
we buy Records pod at gmail dot
com. Yeah, we'd very much like
765
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.960
to know what is the what is
the wrongest thing you've received, either condition
766
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:31.400
or item from online selling platforms in
the world of music. I tend to
767
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.360
tell people, so people in the
shops sometimes ask me, oh, do
768
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.320
you sell on eBay? To sell
on discogs? Would you recommend ebail?
769
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:42.000
Discogs a lot of people haven't heard
of discogs who come into the shop.
770
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.199
It's it's more more than you'd think. I've not heard of discogs, and
771
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:51.800
I tend to say, oh,
I'd strongly recommend discogs over eBay if you're
772
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:57.440
buying or selling, because in general, people on discogs are a kind of
773
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:04.719
self selecting group where they have managed
to find discogs and therefore to some extent,
774
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.840
they know what they're doing because they're
on discogs, whereas eBay is still
775
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.760
a wild west of people that haven't
got a clue what they're doing. If
776
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.679
you've managed to set up on discogs
and create a set of profile and jump
777
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:22.280
through their hoops and sort out your
postage, in theory, you know what
778
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:28.239
you're doing. But as our listener
here Matt says, it really isn't always
779
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.679
the case. So maybe I should
put this slight caveat in that it's not
780
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:36.559
a guarantee. Now, Tim,
you sell records, not not loads,
781
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.039
but you put some of your fancy
bits on discogs from the store. Correct,
782
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.159
Yes, what do you think about
the new charges? Well, I
783
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:51.320
aren't they aren't They a minor increase? It's a one point increase, So
784
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.280
it looks like it's one percent,
but it's not one percent when you actually
785
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.639
drill down into the real world explain. So it's the fees have gone up
786
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:04.719
from eight to nine. But looking
through the forums where people are kicking off
787
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:09.440
about this, the actual real world
increase because they're including the charge a percentage
788
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:14.760
on the postage fee as well.
Now it's something like a twelve and a
789
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:19.039
half to twenty percent increase depending on
the value of the item. It can't
790
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:25.320
be Yeah, it is ah okay, horror over to the discos forum that
791
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:30.039
says, wow, selling fees have
gone up in your see, very people
792
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.320
much cleverer than other than us,
have done Carroll Vauderman style mathematics and done
793
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.039
the breakdown of all the different things, and it's not at what it looks
794
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:44.159
like at first glance at all.
Oh shit. Yeah, so I kind
795
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:45.760
of ignored it and glossed over it
and thought, oh, I think most
796
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.079
people will they say, oh,
it's gone from eight till nine. They've
797
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.000
got our best interests at heart.
They've got to make some money. It's
798
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:59.039
probably fine. Oh, dear listener, John Shepherd has a suggestion that we
799
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.159
try and get somebody from discogs on
for an interview. Now, we have
800
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:07.239
tried this before. We have and
the problem is we only really approach them
801
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:15.480
when things have gone wrong, and
every single time and they've declined. But
802
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:20.320
we will try again, because you
never know. You've got to. You've
803
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.400
got a very broadly say that Discogs
does most things right. The way that
804
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.599
they organize so that you can you
can navigate the master release of something,
805
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:35.559
see all of the versions of it, navigate to find your version, scrutinize
806
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.559
the pictures to check exactly which version
it is, and then list your copy
807
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:45.800
for sale under the correct subversion.
It's it's it's a pretty good system.
808
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.599
It certainly isn't perfect, but I've
you know, I'm I'm pretty pro Discogs,
809
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.320
Paul, I have to say,
oh yeah, I mean, well,
810
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I don't like fees going up,
No nobody does. But I mean,
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obviously one elephant in the room is
when they change their ship policy section
812
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and made it like a sort of
Crypton Factor style puzzle to figure out how
813
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to do your shipping. And I
don't think there was anybody on the planet
814
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who was particularly happy with you.
And they didn't want to talk about that
815
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either, No, they didn't.
Would you like a quiz, Tim,
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Yes, super yes. Now,
our friends over at discogs oh no,
817
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:37.480
have produced a list of twenty twenty
three releases that have gone up in value
818
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.960
by quite a bit some of them. Oh that's good, right, I'm
819
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:44.760
getting my pencil, so what and
keep tracking. So, listeners, if
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you've been buying some new records this
year, I bet Gareth's going to be
821
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loving this quiz because he's probably bought
most of these. And he'll be he
822
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.079
will be laughing, I can tell
you that much. So I've got a
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list here of ten of the records
from twenty twenty three new releases that have
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significantly gone up in value, and
we're going to go through them, and
825
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.519
you're just going to tell me if
the next record is higher or lower than
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the previous one. I'm going to
give you the average selling price. Okay.
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So we're going to start with the
Doors. The Doors, Tim,
828
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Now, this has been audio file
grade pressing using the original analog master tapes
829
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and a vinyl cutting system from the
nineteen sixties. Okay, Now, how
830
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:32.000
much is the average selling price for
the Doors not long after release? This
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applies to all of the records,
So let's get a baseline. Let's say,
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00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:43.159
I guess it is abound sixty quick
six hundred and forty five dollars already,
833
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.519
So you did well if you bought
one of those. So I can
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00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.239
see we're in the world of high
priced records. So the Rolling Stones in
835
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:57.920
Mono, this is a limited box
set from this year. Now, how
836
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.920
much is that higher or lower than
the Doors? Well, I think I
837
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remember that coming out and it was
yeah, it was something like three hundred
838
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.480
quid or something. Wasn't it lower? Lower than six? It is lower.
839
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.320
It's now reselling for three hundred and
seventy three dollars, so you've got
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00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.360
a point, thank god, So
that might not be that much more than
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00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:22.760
it's RRP. Smashing Pumpkins, a
rock opera in three acts. This is
842
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:29.079
another vinyl box limited edition numbered higher
or lower. Well, they're very hot
843
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.199
right now. For some reason,
the pumpkins are really really hot, and
844
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:38.320
people pay silly money for the original
melancholy pressings and stuff. Higher. I
845
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:42.960
reckon that's higher than the it's not. It's actually lower. Three hundred and
846
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.400
sixty dollars. That's a lot of
money. Still, Okay, I'm on
847
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:53.119
one point. Mariah Carey, Oh
Butterfly, the deluxe edition reissue in gold
848
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:59.320
vinyl. Now is that higher or
lower than the Smashing Pumpkins. Well,
849
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.679
so far everything has been lower,
so I reckon you'll have put in a
850
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.599
higher now higher? No, it's
lower. It's two hundred and ninety nine
851
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:13.280
dollars. Tim, what's you're getting
strug up here? This is so stupid?
852
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.559
Everything is okay, I know what
to answer next time. Okay,
853
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.599
I'm still on one point, but
you wait for this. Here we go.
854
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.559
Now lower an album? I don't
think any of our listeners will will
855
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:28.519
will have At the Dark Side of
the Moon by a band called Pink Floyd.
856
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:34.079
Yes, I've heard of that fiftieth
anniversary edition. Higher or lower than
857
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:38.440
Mariah Carey? Lower? It is
lower, Tim, It's two hundred and
858
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:45.960
sixty four dollars. Paul, I
think you've done this quiz role now?
859
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:52.679
Okay? Fine Dirt by Alison Chains
de Luxe box set. It comes with
860
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:58.360
a turntable, figurine and some metal
shavings to create your own dirt pattern.
861
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:02.599
On the cover a sentence I never
thought i'd be reading out stupid pollocks.
862
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:08.119
I quite like the metal shavings and
a figurine. Does it really say figuring.
863
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:14.320
Yeah, a turntable figurine figuring higher
or lower than the Dark Side of
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01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:19.639
the Moon. Do grunge fans want
a turntable figurine? Because I don't think
865
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.880
they do. Do they want metal
shavings? Yeah? Okay, at some
866
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.199
point you're going to have to have
changed your how you're doing this so higher,
867
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:29.760
don't make it lower. Paul pause, pulling a face at me.
868
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.719
Five hundred and sixty dollars, Well
done, Tim, Yes, thank you,
869
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.159
well done. Alison Chains, one
of the blokes from Oasis, Oh
870
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:44.880
yeah, limited edition numbered Great Council
skies. Higher or lower than the Alison
871
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.599
Chains? Lower? It got to
be, it's lower. Four hundred and
872
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.400
forty four dollars. Well done.
I'm trying to I'm trying to predict how
873
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.840
your brain works. It's not easy, Paul. We loved a bit of
874
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.679
Lana on the show, Tim,
Yes, we do. And they're born
875
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:06.079
to die out yet again, but
this time on a picture disc? Is
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01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:12.000
that higher or lower than one of
the people from Oasis? Lower? It
877
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.920
is lower, but it's still three
hundred and fifty five dollars for a brat
878
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.559
for a new picture again? How
the shitting hell is that? How on
879
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.440
Earth? Is that possible? Lana
fans are crazy? Man? What's that's?
880
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.800
That's a couple of hundred quid?
Isn't it? Their borderline demented?
881
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:32.000
Some Lana fans tim the Pretty Things? Oh yes, yep, the complete
882
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:37.960
studio albums nineteen sixty five to twenty
twenty. Is that higher or lower than
883
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:45.320
have been of Lana on picture disc? I reckon that is your face is
884
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:52.440
so cheeky. I want to say
lower, because almost higher. It was
885
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:58.639
lower? It was three hundred and
forty dollars twat Terry Callier. This is
886
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.280
the kind of thing that Gareth probably
owns. High five reissue, pressed and
887
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:08.119
printed using vintage equipment in a limited
run of three hundred and forty five copies,
888
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:15.800
higher or lower than the Pretty Things? Whichever I answer, I'll be
889
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.159
cross because I'll be cross if it's
lower, because they've almost all been lower.
890
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:24.159
But I'll be cross if I say
lower and it's higher. Is this
891
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:30.320
the last one? Paul? Yes? Then higher? It is a tiny
892
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:35.599
bit higher at one thousand and seventy
four dollars. You're kidding? No,
893
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.079
okay? So I got six.
I got six, which is more than
894
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.840
half, So I take that.
I think that is a win. Yeah,
895
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.920
I think I officially won that things. When they do these things,
896
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:49.440
why are they only making three hundred
and forty five because you're automatically pissing off
897
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.639
your audience. Well that's the real
question, isn't it. Listeners? Do
898
01:03:52.760 --> 01:04:00.360
you get really annoyed when companies do
these stupidly ultra limited editions and it's glued
899
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.679
an awful lot of people. You
have to be have your finger on the
900
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:10.079
trigger on the day, be plugged
into every bloody media account mailing list to
901
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:14.599
get this stuff. This is what
happened with me and soundtracks after the whole
902
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:19.320
blood Field Aliens one debacle. They
pissed me off so much I never bought
903
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:23.480
another record from that company. Ever. You really can't be learning that.
904
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.599
But Paul, I've got a theory
as to why it's happening. Go on.
905
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.280
I think that people often buy items
as a way to gain and convey
906
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:38.519
status. Do you think, Yes, it's my It's Tim Scullion's theory of
907
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:44.239
the leisure class, and I've just
come up with it. I've just come
908
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:47.039
up with it now. But I
mean that is that? Is it?
909
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:53.239
It's tracks chasing status? Not to
be confused with Chase and status one of
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01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:58.280
your favorites, Paul, join us
next time for more adventures in Vinyl on
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01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:31.280
We Records. Hey guys, my
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912
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.880
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913
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:42.960
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919
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:15.039
agree with this is that he was
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