Полная расшифровка выпуска The Things We Do... - Interview with Natalie-Rea Wilson

00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,240 Like there's a whole bunch of issues with them. 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,240 And that's so soon. 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,600 I mean, if you really think about it, that's, that's very scary. 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,600 That's in our lifetime. 42 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:41,160 That's like, we will be at least probably in our fifties or sixties at that stage. 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,160 Yeah. 44 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,080 And that to me is quite scary because that's, it's 2022 now and that's only 30 years away. 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,560 And you know, like something really needs to be done. 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:57,000 But you know, I don't want to be this like 90 year old or 80 or 90 year old, sort of 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,080 in this planet that I think, you know, is like at the moment I statistically will occasionally 48 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,800 look at like the birth rate and everything in the population size. 49 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,840 I think, you know, ironically it's massive now. 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,120 It's like 8 billion people. 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,120 It keeps growing. 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,840 But yeah, like I think in terms of like, you know, the fact that like a lot of places like, 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,840 you know, LA for example, is always a hot place because it's like just a warmer part 54 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,720 of the global, you know, closer to certain parts of the equator. 55 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,480 The same with like, you know, the deserts and stuff. 56 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,480 The outback in Australia is also another place, which is just particularly hot because of 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 where it's located. 58 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,160 And you know, you look at it and Sydney is cooler because of the coastal, you know, the 59 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,360 fact that we're near coast and everything. 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:50,660 But the fact that it's so windy and rain suddenly, and you know, like there's just little things 61 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:57,920 that I think like the fact that I think small towns in Sydney have flooded now three times 62 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,400 in the last like two years. 63 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,920 You know, it just, it doesn't make sense to me just being like, you know, cause they say, 64 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,920 oh, this doesn't happen in like a hundred years. 65 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,400 And I'm like, maybe that's a sign. 66 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,800 Like maybe that's a good reason. 67 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:21,080 I have, yeah, there's family members who do not agree with, you know, just don't think 68 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,440 global warming is an issue. 69 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:35,840 And I, yeah, I don't know what to say to get them to wake up and, you know, see that there 70 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,160 really is a problem. 71 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:47,980 And like you said in 20, 2050, 2050, if we don't do something now, it's going to be, 72 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:50,640 the problems are going to be irreversible. 73 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,840 That's a very scary thought. 74 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:56,160 I think it's also like the one thing I love is like kids protests and stuff. 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,680 And then like one of the like old politicians back when I, we hit the Morrison government 76 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,040 was saying, it was really funny as well. 77 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,960 They were like, these kids need to be in school. 78 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,120 And I was like, no, they don't cause they're out with their teachers all protesting about 79 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,120 global warming. 80 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,680 I feel like they're doing the right thing. 81 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:19,560 They're actually learned like, and it's really interesting when I think, I'm very big on 82 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,560 education. 83 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,120 I'm big on people doing research, especially like, I guess also coming from a very like, 84 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,160 you know, not super religious family, but I did grow up with a very religious grandmother. 85 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,320 And I think there was a lot of things that I found pros and cons to being real, you know, 86 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,760 like religious as a kid. 87 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Because when I was a kid, no one was told the question. 88 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:48,600 They were like, you know, just God has answers and science is kind of like this maybe thought 89 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,280 of hypothetical everything. 90 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:56,400 And then like, I think as I grew up and you know, I sort of retouched my spirituality 91 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:02,560 more in the last few years, I still think that, you know, like nowadays, do research, 92 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,080 like there's so much we don't understand about the universe and the planets and how everything 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:15,000 aligns that I think you do fundamental research and how like we grow and you know, how like, 94 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,360 you know, everything works on this planet. 95 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,520 And you start to realize, oh yeah, there are a lot of problems, but people want to ignore 96 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:22,520 that. 97 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,520 That's, that's where I feel. 98 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,720 I feel like it's a problem. 99 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,000 Yeah, I yeah, what you said 100%. 100 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,560 It's a very I think you're right. 101 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:42,920 I think we do need to do more research and you know, science is ever evolving. 102 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:51,520 So you know, there were back in the olden days, I actually went to the library of New 103

00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,520 South Wales. 104 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,520 Oh yeah. 105 00:06:53,520 --> 00:07:00,960 And they had this, actually they still do this exhibition called something, gosh, something 106 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:08,400 about medicine and talking about how medicine has progressed and the different treatments 107 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,520 that they had back in the day. 108 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:21,040 One that stood out to me was for goodness, now I cannot remember anything, but it was 109 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,320 regarding a sexually transmitted disease. 110 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Oh yeah. 111 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,760 Was it like, it wasn't syphilis was it? 112 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Syphilis. 113 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,760 Was it? 114 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:31,760 Syphilis, yeah. 115 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:40,040 And what the doctors used to do, they used to give mercury to their patients. 116 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:46,440 But of course, they couldn't do the work, the doctors wouldn't touch it. 117 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,720 They would give the mercury to the patient and say, here, you take it yourself, you ingest 118 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,120 it. 119 00:07:54,120 --> 00:08:01,240 We can't touch it because obviously, you know, mercury poisoning and it's not a nice, yeah, 120 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,240 anyway. 121 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:11,120 So I thought that was hilarious how they used to give mercury to heal syphilis. 122 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:17,560 And it's just interesting how far we've come and how science is ever changing and global 123 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,560 warming. 124 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,280 Anyway, and like you said, just people need to do their research. 125 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Well, it's like the, I love that you say that as well because it was like my attitude towards 126 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,240 the vaccine, which, you know, like any sort of, you know, like smallpox, prime example, 127 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,400 smallpox, I think when it was rampant, when they developed the vaccine, there were a lot 128 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,400 of trials and errors. 129 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,360 But I think because of science now and how quickly we can understand stuff so quickly, 130 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,640 like a vaccine was mass produced quite quickly. 131 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,240 And you know, and I think granted, it did not agree with everyone. 132 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:01,120 And some people unfortunately did die probably as results of partial the vaccine, but it 133 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,120 didn't kill everyone. 134 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,800 It actually made a lot more people safe. 135 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,240 And I think that whether you ended up never having the vaccine or you're immune or everything 136 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,560 like that, that is your choice. 137 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:12,560 I'm not arguing with that. 138 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:17,800 But I think the thing is that there was like people out there just saying it will kill 139 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:18,800 you. 140 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,040 And I'm like, that is dependent on the body. 141 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,360 And unfortunately, that is like all that science is because they don't know whether it will 142 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,080 kill you or not. 143 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,600 And it's all, as we say, trial and error. 144 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,840 And never evolving. 145 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,560 And unfortunately, like you are, you know, it's unfortunate to say, but there's always 146 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:42,800 going to be fatalities in these kind of situations where there is like a pandemic or a plague 147 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,200 or anything like I think, you know, suddenly the Black Death, like, you know, back in the 148 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,760 plague years, that the only reason that sort of disappeared was because they realized that 149 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,760 it came from fleas. 150 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,000 And it didn't actually come from the rats. 151 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,560 It actually came from the fleas and the rats. 152 00:09:58,560 --> 00:09:59,760 And, you know, I didn't know that. 153 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Yeah. 154 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:01,760 So it was actually nothing to do with rats. 155 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,000 It was to do with the fleas and they'd spread the disease through, you know, into the rats 156 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 and then onto the humans. 157 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,360 So it was like, you know, it was just a nuts thing. 158 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,920 And that's how so many people died. 159 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,560 It wiped out a third of the population. 160 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:16,400 It was nuts. 161 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,480 And you look at history like that, I think they actually cleaned up. 162 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,040 I think that's where they designed a lot of the sanitary like use of, because back then 163 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,480 they didn't actually have any use of sanitary like results, you know, no one barely washed 164 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,480 their hands. 165 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,480 It was all gross. 166 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,160 You know, you were contracting everything. 167 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Oh, right. 168 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,160 Disgusting. 169 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,800 So now it's like, you know, people actually use, you know, public restrooms and stuff 170 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,800 like that. 171 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:42,800 They're all very sanitary and clean. 172 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,960 And I think that every time, you know, there's so many things that are microbes and, you 173 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,600 know, like small inanimate things. 174 00:10:50,600 -->

00:10:56,640 And there's a lot of things, natural living things that exist on this planet that we will 175 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,400 never see like the bottom of the ocean or anything like that. 176 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,920 Or, you know, it's fascinating because I always think about this and I just go, oh, 177 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,920 this is amazing. 178 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,840 But there's so many things we will never, never be able to understand. 179 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:16,880 I'm okay with that because I think that's what's the fun of being alive. 180 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:23,360 And I think, you know, you can't live in fear of, like, it's like this stage, I think Australia 181 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,320 is in its fourth wave and our like fourth wave of the pandemic, I think is another like 182 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,320 a strain. 183 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Yeah. 184 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,320 It's like B-side. 185 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:38,920 I heard that a cruise ship just let out, had 800 COVID positive cases and let them all 186 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,920 out. 187 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,840 I shouldn't laugh at that. 188 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,840 That's like. 189 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,840 But it is kind of comical. 190 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,840 I mean, it's like, anyway. 191 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Yeah. 192 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,080 I mean, isn't it the way though? 193 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,840 But you know, these days we can't live in fear. 194 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:55,020 It's kind of just like, you know, because I've got like three boosters now, but I've 195 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:57,000 had COVID and it sucked. 196 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,480 Like I, you know, did you end up getting it? 197 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Yeah, I did. 198 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,480 I did. 199 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,040 It actually wasn't too bad. 200 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,760 I had one the first day sucked. 201 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,240 It was kind of like flu-y for me, like just the shiver, you know, the cold. 202 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,880 I had a fever. 203 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,120 And then the next day I was almost fine. 204 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,120 Wow. 205 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:23,080 But then the third day I ended up losing my voice for another three days. 206 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,080 Yeah. 207 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,320 It was, so I was actually okay. 208 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,760 I just didn't have a voice, which was kind of nice. 209 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,360 You know, I was like, yeah, I'll take this. 210 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,240 I'll enjoy my, I'll have more me time. 211 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,240 You will be able to relax. 212 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Yeah. 213 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Oh my God. 214 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,240 That's, that's like nuts. 215 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Yeah. 216 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Dude, I had brain fog. 217 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,440 I had brain fog for four days, so I couldn't, I couldn't work. 218 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,500 Like I was, um, like Emily got it first. 219 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:55,560 She got it from like seeing a concert and she was like very careful and she couldn't 220 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:57,320 work out where she got it from, from the concert. 221 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,120 And I got it off her. 222 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,080 And I remember when the brain fog hit me, I was meant to do so much that week. 223 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,440 And I just suddenly just went like this. 224 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,440 I was like, huh? 225 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,440 And everyone was messaging. 226 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Yeah. 227 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,440 Everyone was messaging me. 228 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,720 I was like, I have no brain function, like I cannot respond to anyone. 229 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,960 I felt so bad, but I was like my, like I'd never been more forgetful in, in, and I think 230 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,560 it took, it took us a while to feel like we got hit pretty bad. 231 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:30,840 I don't know why, but I think it was like, it affects, I mean, yeah, I, I've had, you 232 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:38,360 know, friends, um, uh, boosted, you know, who, um, my auntie got, um, the 233 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,040 booster and the next day she got COVID and she got it pretty bad. 234 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,040 Yeah. 235 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:52,200 And then I've like, I've also had, you know, friends, um, unvaccinated who also seemed, 236 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,760 you know, perfectly fine or that never got it. 237 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,560 And I'm like, cool. 238 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,960 You, you, you guys have the, uh, you know, the strong antibodies. 239 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,200 We need your blood. 240 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,720 Can I steal it? 241 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,720 Yeah. 242 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,720 Yeah, I know. 243 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,400 It's when people like have natural immunities to these things and I'm just like, I wish 244 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,520 I, I wish I had that. 245 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,160 Cause I, when I get a flu, I get very sick. 246 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Yeah. 247 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:24,400 See, I think I don't get sick very often, but I do think that when I do it's, yeah, 248 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,760 it's not fun. 249 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:32,880 COVID was actually manageable besides the lost, um, the loss, lose? 250 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,680 Lose, loss, lose. 251 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Loss of voice. 252 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,680 There we go. 253 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,680 I got that in the end. 254 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,640 Um, but yeah, I remember in the past when I've had the flu, it's

like, it's hit hard. 255 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:44,640 Yeah. 256 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,760 And it's just like, I'm fine for the whole year, but then flu season comes and boom. 257 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:49,760 Yeah. 258 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,760 And I'm out of, what's it called? 259 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Out of commission? 260 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Yeah. 261 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Sounds like you're a business. 262 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,760 Like you just suddenly just go like, I'm out of commission. 263 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:58,760 I'm out of commission guys. 264 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,760 I'm out for a month. 265 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,200 You know, I'll see you in, I'll see you in a few weeks. 266 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Yeah. 267 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,200 Um, cool. 268 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Yeah. 269 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Yeah. 270 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,960 I mean like, how was it like, how was lockdown for you though? 271 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,240 You know, LA was pretty freaky. 272 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,200 I mean, it was, I felt as though I was living in a dystopian. 273 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:26,200 I mean, I'm sure, I don't know how things were here, but for like two weeks, everything 274 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,000 was shut except for essential business. 275 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,680 But you know, you would have to line up outside of the grocery store and they only allowed, 276 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,760 you know, three people in the whole store. 277 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:43,240 And you had to be quick to grab your essentials and then leave. 278 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:53,040 And you know, you had to wear masks, but actually after two, three, I don't know, a month, things 279 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,280 actually started, I mean, they started easing up. 280 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Obviously there was still a lot of, you know, um, commotion and people were scared and, 281 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,080 um, wary and we had to stand six feet apart. 282 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:19,880 But actually it, it eased up for us, I want to say fairly quickly, um, because, uh, I 283 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:25,520 actually never stopped working, I guess because we were deemed, um, essential. 284 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Um, so that never changed for me. 285 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:38,800 Um, and then we, we dropped the masks after some time and things felt like they were heading 286 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,120 back to normal. 287 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:49,240 And like, I have friends in, um, Melbourne who said they were, um, like they couldn't 288 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,240 work. 289 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,080 They could leave their house, um, for what seemed like months. 290 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,800 Um, and you know, you couldn't travel, um, outside of the 5k limit. 291 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,800 Yeah. 292 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,800 We didn't really have, um, any of that. 293 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:11,140 So I, it wasn't, I want to say, but maybe my memory is, uh, you know, it's telling me 294 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:14,720 that things were better, you know, happy memories, happy memories. 295 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Um, cause it was very traumatic. 296 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 I don't know. 297 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,560 Um, but I want to say it was actually not that bad. 298 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,160 Yeah. 299 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:34,000 Um, in living in Wisconsin, I mean, it's as if COVID never happened, you know, like, really? 300 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Yeah. 301 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Yeah. 302 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,800 No one, but it's also, I mean, um, where I was staying at my, um, in-laws, they live, 303 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,520 you know, basically on a farm, you know, they have a bunch of land and the people around 304 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,480 them are very like, ah, COVID, you know, I'll be fine. 305 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,280 You know, if I get it. 306 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,600 So it was, you know, very like COVID, what's that? 307 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,640 You know, living there for the past like five months. 308 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,600 Um, it was actually really nice. 309 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,280 Um, cause life seemed normal. 310 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,280 Wow. 311 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,280 Yeah. 312 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:21,240 That's like, cause you, rolling back time and rolling back to young Natalie, um, you, 313 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,160 you moved over there to what pursue an acting. 314 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,160 Yeah. 315 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:31,480 So the original plan was you young single move over there, come back with a husband 316 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,480 and like a plan. 317 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,480 Yeah. 318 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,840 Found me an American boy. 319 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Yeah. 320 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Uh, that was not the plan at all. 321 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,520 It's funny. 322 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:47,160 I told myself, I never wanted to date another actor. 323 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,360 My husband is also an actor. 324 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,360 What happened? 325 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:53,640 I'm tell you, he was very persistent. 326 00:18:53,640 --> 00:19:00,200 No, no, I just, you know, there was no one that was also not on my radar at all. 327 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:07,640 You know, like I went to LA, you know, focus, you know, to, I want this acting career to, 328 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,440 um, to happen. 329 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,640 Um, haha, COVID. 330 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,880 Um, but yeah. 331 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,640 So did that, that was my plan. 332 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,000 You know, or bright-eyed bushy tailed. 333 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Is that the term? 334

00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Yeah. 335 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Um, and then, yeah, I found an American boy and then things changed a little bit. 336 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,120 Um, and, uh, yeah. 337 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,600 And then actually it was, it was very frustrating because right. 338 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:48,840 So I went to LA to, um, uh, do a, um, like a, an acting school, but a shorter, cause 339 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,880 I've, I actually, I have a bachelor's degree in performance, um, from Wollongong university. 340 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,880 Yeah. 341 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,880 That's very, very exciting stuff. 342 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,760 Oh, here you go. 343 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,760 Yeah. 344 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,240 But, um, so I didn't want to study more. 345 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,800 So I just did, I guess it ended up being a two year course. 346 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,080 Um, and after graduating, things were looking up and I was getting auditions and I was getting 347 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,320 callbacks and I actually had a feature film. 348 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,120 Um, yes, yes. 349 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:25,400 I was, uh, it was like a, uh, like a Weston-y, a Western type feature film. 350 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,760 And I got a callback and I was actually on, um, uh, what's the term? 351 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:30,760 I'm forgetting everything. 352 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,560 A TVC, like a commercial or? 353 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,560 No, no. 354 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:40,040 Like when you get the certain stages where you audition and then you get a callback and 355 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,200 then you get a, I guess the second callback. 356 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,200 Yeah. 357 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:50,440 Um, so yeah, they were, they decided they wanted me, but then COVID happened and everything 358 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,680 shut down and then it fell through. 359 00:20:53,680 --> 00:21:01,000 And then, and I haven't actually, um, acted in a, in a while. 360 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,840 I've taken a bit of a break. 361 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,840 Um. 362 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:04,840 And I think it's been good. 363 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,840 Do you think? 364 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:06,840 You know what? 365 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Yes. 366 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Yes. 367 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Um, I think because it's, ah, it's very taxing, you know, and you get, it's not the nicest 368 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,560 of jobs, meaning, you know, you get so much rejection, you know, unless you're Jennifer 369 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Aniston or. 370 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Yeah. 371 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:32,480 And I mean, like, you know, anyone had seen her first film, I think that was like Leprechaun. 372 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,400 I haven't seen it actually, but I've heard not great things. 373 00:21:36,400 -->

00:21:41,080 It's, it's very much not the Jennifer Aniston that I, you know, like from Friends or like 374 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,960 years later when she's done a bunch of other things. 375 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,840 Cause that film is very much like her very ditzy character. 376 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,520 And I'm like, this doesn't really feel, but yeah, she's like 20, I think she was 20 in 377 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,520 that film. 378 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,520 So it's like, she's a baby. 379 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Yeah. 380 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Yeah. 381 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,280 Um, but yeah, like I, so you did, you sort of felt like you were going to something then 382 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,800 COVID happened and then it suddenly went shut down. 383 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Everything stopped. 384 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,040 Um, and that really sucked. 385 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:16,960 And I think also losing that momentum, um, you know, I, I decided, you know what, I'm 386 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,160 going to take a pause. 387 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:25,120 You know, I, um, we were also trying to figure out if I would be able to stay in the country. 388 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,120 Right. 389 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:33,040 And AJ, well, we did not want to lose each other, so, you know, we decided we wanted 390 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:41,640 to, to get married and, um, I mean, he had proposed before, um, COVID actually. 391 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:48,600 So we were, yeah, we had already started planning the wedding, um, but then COVID, um, and we 392 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,600 had to keep postponing. 393 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,600 Yeah. 394 00:22:50,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Um, until we realized that I, the, my end visa date was, um, you know, reaching, um, 395 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,600 a pinnacle point. 396 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,600 Yeah. 397 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,600 Yes. 398 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,800 So I would have had to leave the country and we decided that that's not what we wanted. 399 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:16,360 So we ended up having a small, um, intimate, uh, civil wedding at his parents backyard, 400 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:21,360 which was very sweet and we had, um, friends and family, um, watch over zoom. 401 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,360 Oh, yeah. 402 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,360 Yeah. 403 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:28,440 But we actually being back, um, we had a church wedding. 404 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,440 Oh, lovely. 405 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,440 Yeah. 406 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,440 Yeah. 407 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,200 So yeah, it's been, it's been a whirlwind, but now that's done too. 408 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,960 So, you know, two weddings down, um, three to go. 409 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Yeah. 410 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,760 I was about to say, which, you know, you want the extravaganza you want, like, you know, 411 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,440 it's so interesting as well about like, um, you know, because at this stage, like we're 412 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240 like, cause Emily and I are moving to Canada and stuff and we haven't officially announced 413 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,320 it yet, like to our parents, um, my parents know, but like we're planning to get engaged 414 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,360 and it's very like exciting, but we're sort of like, so I think for us, it's sort of a 415 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,560 solo key, but I do remember also way very excited, like, you know, one, you know, have 416 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,080 immediate, um, close friends and family around us and, you know, do it on a very small scale 417 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,280 and then have a big celebration with friends, like in Sydney, cause we want the wedding 418 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,060 to be outside of Sydney. 419 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:20,280 We don't like the hustle and bustle of Sydney very much. 420 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,900 We like the quietness of like countryside and everything. 421 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:29,840 And then it will make living in Canada easier because I will be married to someone who is 422 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,840 a Canadian citizen. 423 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Right. 424 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,320 So I won't have to, we won't technically be kicked out of the country. 425 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:42,000 If my working visa runs out, like I will still be legally married and not deported. 426 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,920 Which is a nice feel. 427 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,680 Um, you know, so I'm, I know your pain with that because, you know, it's one of those 428 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:56,080 things that I, I think is very exciting, but it's also, you know, it comes with a whole 429 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,080 lot of logistical things because I think there's always like, I think it's, it's those two 430 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,280 separations of things. 431 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,880 Cause you know, there was always the discussion very early on a relationship, which was we 432 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,640 will get married, but when it came to like that immediate, we've got to get something 433 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,680 done, let's do it now. 434 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,220 It does feel a little bit like, you know, I don't know anyone who has been since the 435 00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:21,360 pandemic has not had that happen to them where they're like, there is a crunch time and we 436 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,520 need to do it now or never. 437 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,000 It's that's not fun. 438 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,880 You don't want to work under, you know, under pressure and under like, you need to get this 439 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880 done now. 440 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,880 Otherwise it's all over. 441 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,880 Yeah. 442 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960 Especially because it's like

such a big, big moment for you. 443 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,660 Like, and it's such a pinnacle point to be like, I love you and I want to spend the rest 444 00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:39,660 of my life with you. 445 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:40,660 Right. 446 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:41,660 It shouldn't be rough. 447 00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:42,660 Okay. 448 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:43,660 Yeah. 449 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:44,660 Let's get this done. 450 00:25:44,660 --> 00:25:45,660 Yeah. 451 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:46,660 I love you. 452 00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:47,660 Okay. 453 00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:48,660 Okay. 454 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:49,660 Yeah. 455 00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:50,660 Let's sign the paper. 456 00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:51,660 Okay. 457 00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:52,660 We're cool. 458 00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:53,660 Yeah. 459 00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:54,660 I don't get deported now. 460 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:55,660 Okay. 461 00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:57,040 Like, do you feel that the church wedding and sitting felt more like a proper wedding 462 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,960 for you or did it feel a little bit like to both? 463 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,220 I want to say both. 464 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:12,920 I think it felt more, what was the word you just used? 465 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,920 Which one? 466 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,920 I used many. 467 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,920 I used a lot of words. 468 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:27,440 Not a proper wedding, but I think it felt more, oh, I don't want to say this, but- 469 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,440 Genuine for you? 470 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,440 Yeah. 471 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:37,400 Only because my family and friends were physically present. 472 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:47,600 And that was something, our first garden, civil wedding was beautiful, but it was bittersweet 473 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,600 because my family was watching via Zoom, and all my friends were watching via Zoom. 474 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:00,360 So it was kind of like, yeah, this is, yeah, it's happening, but it's also not what we 475 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,240 had planned at all, obviously. 476 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,600 So that was kind of, like I said, bittersweet. 477 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:13,880 So I think that's why this wedding felt maybe a little more genuine because I could hug 478 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:22,360 my mom, I could hug my dad and my siblings and all my girlfriends were there present 479 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:23,360 and we were giggling. 480 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,840 And yeah, it was just, yeah, I guess it felt more genuine. 481 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Yeah. 482 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Because that's a very surreal feeling when you're not surrounded by the people. 483 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,360 I wouldn't know what to do. 484 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:37,360 It was very weird. 485 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:38,360 I don't recommend it. 486 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:39,360 No. 487 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,880 And I think like it was very weird because with my brother and my sister-in-law's wedding, 488 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,160 it was very much, they had originally weren't meant to do this big wedding and then COVID 489 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,240 kept happening and you know, like it just got pushed and pushed. 490 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,960 And then I think they were moving to Germany because my sister-in-law had got work over 491 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,800 there and so they were about to jet off to make it easier. 492 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,960 And for the papers, they were just like, okay, we're going to get married. 493 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:11,960 And so they did it down in the park and myself, I was my brother's best man and a witness 494 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:19,000 and my brother's best friend was the celebrant and Lisa's best friend was also another witness 495 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,640 and her bridesmaid. 496 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,560 And we just like, you know, did everything, signed the papers, witnessed it and everything. 497 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:31,640 And then we went back to mom and dads and had drinks and food with Lisa's parents and 498 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,920 my parents and like, it was quite nice. 499 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,840 It was very, it was very sweet, but it was, oh man, it was just like chaos, chaos to kind 500 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,400 of like, and I think even to this day, they felt like they had wished a little bit nicer, 501 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,320 nicer wedding, even though it was sweet. 502 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,720 So my opinion, I think, you know, now having two weddings. 503 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,800 Yeah, don't do two. 504 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,160 No, no. 505 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,160 I mean, yeah. 506 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Hey, if you want to have as many weddings as you want, but I actually, because both 507 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:16,280 the Australian wedding and the American wedding ended up being fairly small in size. 508 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:25,040 And I think having like the people, you know, your people who you love, you know, not, and 509 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:31,840 I know it's, you can have family members who say you need to invite aunt Margaret and, 510 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:39,000 you know, uncle Jerry, you know, and, you know, the wedding party can grow. 511 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,840 But I think it is very beautiful when you have just the most, you know, important people 512 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:51,080 in your life and then afterwards you can have like a big bash, you know, big party with 513 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,400 everyone, you know, uncle Jerry can come, you know, auntie Margaret, you know, can join 514 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:04,920 the party too, you know, like, but just the ceremony, you know, the joining of hands, 515 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,880 because it's such a beautiful

thing and having your most. 516 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,320 Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. 517 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,520 I think that's also why I've always been very like, I don't know yet. 518 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,280 It's also kind of why I think with it's the same with parties because I remember like 519 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,040 my 18th birthday, it was like, oh man, that was a disaster. 520 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240 I was the oldest kid in, in class. 521 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280 So everyone's like, you know, when you turn 18, you're like free drinks. 522 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,480 Everyone's like, let's get wasted. 523 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,240 So, you know, 18 year old me, I was like, yeah, right. 524 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,240 And like I was, it was at my parents' house because, you know, like supervised. 525 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,960 But you know, like no one really as a parent, I understood didn't want to watch 17 year 526 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,960 olds get drunk. 527 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,960 Yeah. 528 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Like it's not a fun experience as a parent because it's just kind of weird watching 529 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,780 like slight. 530 00:30:53,780 --> 00:30:59,000 And the thing I remember is like, particularly is like, you need that period where you think 531 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,720 you're an adult, but you're clearly you're not like you're pre-pre-dead. 532 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,720 You're like in that awkward. 533 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,200 When I think back, yeah, I'm like, oh, I knew nothing. 534 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,920 I thought I was the coolest and just, I was so old. 535 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,280 I was like, I'm 17. 536 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,920 I literally like, I can do anything and I know everything. 537 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,480 And I'm like, I don't know anything and I'm almost 30. 538 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,480 Yeah. 539 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040 What was I talking about? 540 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,040 Yeah. 541 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,640 It's so weird. 542 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,400 And I just remember like, you know, everyone got the everyone got booze. 543 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,440 And I think like, I just got to a point where I was like, I don't care about like 50% of 544 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320 the people in this bit are like my own house. 545 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,980 Why are they here? 546 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:44,040 And I think like from then on my parties have always gotten smaller because I'd rather surround 547 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,040 myself with like honestly kind people. 548 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,040 Yeah. 549 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,160 But it's funny because I think, yeah, you sort of rely on and I see it all the time. 550 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,280 I think like social media and social pressures, like we with our engagement plans, like we're 551 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,280 not traditional at all. 552 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,160 We like throwing tradition out the window. 553 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400 So we're both getting engagement rings for each other. 554 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,400 No. 555 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,400 It's very sweet. 556 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,560 But we're very excited and we were going to do that whole like tradition where we, you 557 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,320 know, like, and we have this running joke is if I don't propose first and we'll do it 558 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,880 at some point during the trip, we should get too pissed off. 559 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,880 And I love that. 560 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,240 But it's like one of those things that, you know, we went to a couple of jewelers and 561 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,300 then we found a particularly like a nice ring on XC. 562 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,040 With engagement rings, you can either go to the big deal or you can kind of go simple. 563 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,120 We're very simple. 564 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,320 With our wedding rings, we want to get something that lasts a long time because, you know, 565 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920 obviously, you know, when you pay for like a hundred or two hundred dollar rings, you 566 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,240 want to get something that's at least probably a bit more pricey, like, you know, three to 567 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,240 five hundred is a good and proper metal. 568 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,760 Like it's going to last. 569 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,840 But I'm terrible because, you know, like anything with crystals or jewels on it, I break. 570 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,840 So bad. 571 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,440 So we try to avoid anything with sort of like flat stone. 572 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520 And we got this nice like Turkish rock. 573 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,960 So I think it's called Zulanite. 574 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,160 Basically the premise is changes color and different lights. 575 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,800 So it never looks like one stone. 576 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,280 It looks like many different stones. 577 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,160 And it's so cool. 578 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,400 And this guy, this jeweler in Broadway was talking to us about it and he was selling 579 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,280 rings for like one hundred and fifty. 580 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,920 We found one on Etsy, which was like down from two hundred dollars to like forty dollars. 581 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920 And we're like, yes, we'll take cheapskates. 582 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,600 We're going to take this. 583 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,600 Save some money. 584 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,640 But yeah, it was like massive discount. 585 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,240 We're very excited. 586 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,040 But I mean, like it's one of those things that I think when you

love someone and particularly 587 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,640 like, you know, when you're, you know, it's like that long term, it is more about like, 588 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,560 you know, I always see people at work with massive rings. 589 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,520 I'm like, how much did that actually cost? 590 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,720 Sometimes they are family heirlooms. 591 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Like sometimes they like my mom wears my her mom's engagement ring, which I love. 592 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:06,520 Like it's very sweet and you know, like it's now probably like over a hundred years old. 593 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,960 You know, and I think about that kind of like mentality of like, well, you know, my parents 594 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,560 are probably going to give their wedding rings and engagement rings once they get to a certain 595 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,800 age to be like, give these to your kids and pass it on. 596 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,600 And I think that's really sweet. 597 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,360 I love that. 598 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,760 Yeah, I love, I love like tradition, like little things like that where it's traditional. 599 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:35,160 But also just, I love like the fact that, you know, when you go to a wedding and you 600 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:42,480 know, like we've asked our friend who's trained as a celebrant to be our celebrant and you 601 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,080 know, it's mostly going to consist of friends that we know who were doing stuff. 602 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,880 Like I asked, I asked Susan to be my best man. 603 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,960 So she's going to be there at my wedding. 604 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,780 I'm so excited. 605 00:34:56,780 --> 00:34:57,780 And she was just thrilled. 606 00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:59,080 I was like, oh my God, yes, please. 607 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,600 And I've known her for 12 years. 608 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,240 And I think it's like to have that and be like, one, my brother might not be in the 609 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:10,000 country so he might not be able to be present for our wedding. 610 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,440 But we, you know, we're doing it on like, we're going to book out an Airbnb. 611 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,840 We're going to have it on the property in, you know, because we wanted to do an embermer 612 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,280 and bermer will rake us for millions of dollars if they could. 613 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,320 So we're like, cheap. 614 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,720 Find a nice location. 615 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:32,640 Do it and then throw a big party to kind of make, because I mean, like also we, we, I 616 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,120 think it's really interesting because my parents had a church wedding. 617 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,120 They loved it. 618 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:43,680 But I think, you know, I, I don't feel like, um, like I

grew up going to church. 619 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,520 I just never felt like I get married in a church and I never have. 620 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,280 And I don't know why that is. 621 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,760 Um, but I know so many friends, you know, like who do the big rent out of barn. 622 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Like I went to a barn wedding. 623 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,760 That was the most expensive wedding I've ever been to. 624 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,760 And they got a divorce. 625 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,720 I was like, why do you spend? 626 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,720 Yeah, that's tough. 627 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:07,240 That's always the thing, like as well that I get worried about the price of things. 628 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,200 And weddings, uh, the prices are astronomical. 629 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:17,160 I mean, also, yeah, we had, um, we did have a church wedding, but our party was at my 630 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,160 parents' house. 631 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,160 Yeah. 632 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,040 So did, was it a church you went to growing up or? 633 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,040 Yeah. 634 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,320 So they knew you as well. 635 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,320 Yes. 636 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,320 So it makes it a little bit easier. 637 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,320 Oh yes. 638 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:34,280 Uh, and that's why I, you know, we, we chose, um, that church and it was really nice actually 639 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,080 being back because I, I, you know, went to church and I kind of felt like a celebrity, 640 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,480 honestly, because it's, uh, you know, all the older women, especially who haven't, hadn't 641 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,480 seen me for four years. 642 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,480 I'm like, Oh, not that lucky. 643 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,480 You know, you, you know, you look exactly the same. 644 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:55,560 And, you know, then meeting, you know, AJ and having like that community, but it was 645 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,200 again, just like a few older people and some of the church community. 646 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,200 And that was really nice. 647 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,360 And then the, the after party actually was even more intimate. 648 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:12,600 It was literally just my friends and family, like cousins, um, and you know, aunts and 649 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,600 uncles. 650 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,600 Yeah. 651 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:15,600 That was it. 652 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,600 Wow. 653 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,600 Yeah. 654 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,600 Yeah. 655 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,960 And talking about, you know, cheap, we wanted, I mean, we don't have a ton of money at the 656 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,760 moment, especially since, you know, we just traveled to Greece and now we're traveling 657 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,760 around Australia. 658 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480 So I was about to say like shrinking. 659 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,480 Oh yes. 660 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,920 Uh, so we had to do things as cheaply as possible. 661 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:45,640 And I mean, my, um, so we keep talking about how, you know, we would update certain things 662 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,200 maybe in the future when we, you know, we have a bit more money. 663 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:56,800 Cause I mean, my wedding band is also is from Etsy and it's like silver, um, and was $15. 664 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480 Can I just say, I love that. 665 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,640 I love that you think like me and you know, but I look at that and I don't think of that 666 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,720 because anyone who can't see that it's actually gorgeous. 667 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,720 It's so sweet. 668 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,760 It's very, you know, it's, it's simple. 669 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,440 Yeah, it's elegant, but it also like, what's the gym? 670 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:21,080 Um, I'm, I mean, I believe the gym is a, is a diamond and then the little gems are amethyst 671 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,600 cause that's my, um, oh, you're birthstone. 672 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,600 Lovely. 673 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,800 Um, cause like the toss up between us was like, I love Ruby. 674 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,880 Um, Ruby is like one of my favorite. 675 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,040 If I had to think, my like is, um, oh, amethyst or something. 676 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,040 I'm a February baby. 677 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,800 So yeah, so it would be amethyst and I love amethyst color, but I've always been attracted 678 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,520 to the Ruby color and it was, we went to Prouds, which is also another great jewelers. 679 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,960 Um, and they had a band, which I think if it was a wedding ring, absolutely would pay 680 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,960 like it was about $300. 681 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:59,000 I was like, okay, yes, I probably pay that much for those. 682 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,720 I am talking about seeing people wearing things that I would, you know, like the most expensive 683 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:08,160 thing that I own on my finger is this, which is a Tiffany and co thing. 684 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,200 And I got it for a 30th birthday present. 685 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,320 My mom got it for me. 686 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,520 It is about $700. 687 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,800 It's and I'm like, it is made of like, you know, proper silver. 688 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 689 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:26,240 But I would, but I'm like everything else on my fingers, 50, 20, like 10, like, you 690 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,160 know, actually, no, this was free. 691 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,920 Like, you know, like the thing is I'm, when it comes to jewelry, I never think,

oh, I 692 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,920 need to buy something expensive. 693 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,240 As long as it looks aesthetically nice. 694 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,720 It's why I, you know, like Emily and I thrift all the time, like thrifting is the best thing. 695 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:56,880 So speaking of bargains, actually my, so the, my wedding dress, tell me all I, when I first 696 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,120 bought it, it was, I mean, more than I would have liked to have spent, but it was over 697 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,120 $2,000. 698 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:11,400 I know for, I know people who spend 50,000 and more, you know, for a struggling, you 699 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,760 know, artists, you know, trying to look, you know, their best. 700 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,600 I was like, all righty, yeah, like there's a lot of money, but I'm going to do it. 701 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,600 Here's my mortgage. 702 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:30,720 But it was again, during COVID and I thought I had bought the right size because that's 703 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:37,400 what the lady told me at the store would be like, I'm a size, whatever, it doesn't matter. 704 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,520 And then one day I decided, I guess I should try the dress on now that I've had it for 705 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,160 like over a month. 706 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,720 I should try it on to see, like to make sure that it fits. 707 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,960 And lo and behold, it did not fit. 708 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,220 It was, it was too small. 709 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:55,980 So I had to return it. 710 00:40:55,980 --> 00:41:03,040 And even though I was outside of the return policy because of COVID, they allowed it. 711 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,400 And then I realized that the dress had gone on sale. 712 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,920 And you know, I kept telling myself, well, now is the time to buy it. 713 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,880 Now is the time to buy it, you know, in my, the right size. 714 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,240 And I kept putting it off and then the dress went on sale further. 715 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,360 And I was like, okay, well now this is the sign. 716 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,360 Like I need to buy it now. 717 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,520 And it went on like a final sale. 718 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,520 How much was it? 719 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,000 I think it was 399. 720 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,920 So from over 2000 down to 399. 721 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,400 And I said, okay, I need to buy it now. 722 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,400 It's now or never. 723 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,520 And I went to go buy it and it was sold out. 724 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520 Yep. 725 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,520 Yep. 726 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,920 And it was the most, you know, sad thing. 727 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,480 I was like, well, I found my perfect dress and now I'll never get to wear it. 728 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,800 So I had to, I kept checking because I called them and they said that no, they have none 729 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,800 in stock. 730 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,000 The only way you'd get it is if someone else returned it and I would check every single 731 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,000 day. 732 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,800 And one day my size got returned, you know, obviously. 733 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,160 And I bought it immediately. 734 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,600 So it was a happy. 735 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,960 But did you still pay 2000? 736 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,480 No, no, I paid 399. 737 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,480 That's insane. 738 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,480 Yeah. 739 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,960 So from over 2000, I think it was like 2800, I ended up paying like $400. 740 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,960 That's nuts. 741 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,960 I know. 742 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,040 I, I was so happy. 743 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,880 I mean, I was very stressed when they didn't have it, but you know, it was, it was sad 744 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,880 to be ending. 745 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,880 Cause how far away was your wedding at that point? 746 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,760 Well, we didn't really know because it was during, you know, we had to keep postponing. 747 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,080 So initially, actually, no, I guess we did. 748 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:57,440 We didn't know it was going to be July, July 29th, I want to say. 749 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,440 Wow. 750 00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,440 Okay. 751 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,440 Yeah. 752 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,440 And this was 2020 at this point? 753 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,440 Yeah. 754 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,440 Yeah. 755 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,800 So you officially got married in 2021. 756 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,800 Did you? 757 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,920 No, actually we got married in 2020, um, August 6th. 758 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,920 Wow. 759 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,920 Yeah. 760 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,640 Just cause we had to keep postponing, but we couldn't postpone it any longer. 761 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,040 Otherwise we, we would have been separated. 762 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:28,960 Um, but actually, so that dress, um, I ended up wearing to the church wedding here in Australia 763 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:36,680 and the, the first dress that I wore at our American, uh, civil wedding, um, I found at 764 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,680 Goodwill. 765 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,680 Yeah. 766 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:45,280 For, I think, uh, $20, which was also, you know, very cool, kind of funky. 767 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,240 Um, but yeah. 768 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,000 I love a good bargain. 769 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000 Yeah. 770 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 I love that. 771 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000 Yeah. 772 00:43:52,000 -->

00:43:53,000 Look at you finding bargain. 773 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000 I'm very proud of myself. 774 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,680 I mean, like Emily's not telling me what wedding dress she's wearing, but she's getting it 775 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,680 off Etsy. 776 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,480 So, you know, that's all I know is she's found an Etsy dress and she is very excited. 777 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,000 Um, I'm very like, I, I, I don't fit all my old suits anymore, which is very sad because 778 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,720 I've, I've gained this thing called weight since I turned 30. 779 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,000 I just, I've expanded. 780 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,640 But it's funny because like, you know, when you get older and you said like your weight 781 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,880 fluctuates, you don't like fit anything you did as a teenager. 782 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,560 And I think I just, um, I guess came to terms with it. 783 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,220 And cause I would always try and fit into things that just did not fit me anymore. 784 00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:36,160 And I said, what is the point? 785 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:42,840 Like I'm not going down to like my year 10 size, you know, like when I was 13 or 15, 786 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,160 you know, like I'm, I'll never be that small. 787 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,200 So why am I holding onto these clothes? 788 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,000 So yeah, I just got rid of actually a whole bunch of stuff. 789 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000 It felt good. 790 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000 Yeah. 791 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200 Cause I realized like I used to wear a lot of small t-shirts, like, you know, and now 792 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,400 I can only fit mediums because my, my chest is just now much older. 793 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000 And it's one of those things that I was like all my old jeans. 794 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,200 Um, and I, and it happened to me in the, like the last, you know, six months as well. 795 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,640 Like I've got jeans from last year that no longer fit me. 796 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,640 I bought last year. 797 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,440 I'm like, how did that happen? 798 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,720 But yeah, there's like a suit that I bought like three years ago that does no longer fit 799 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:21,720 me. 800 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,720 Like it doesn't even button up. 801 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,960 Um, I can't even get the pants to, you know, cause it like, you know, when you go to the 802 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,840 gym or something, you just, it's this wonderful thing of you gain muscle and then you can't 803 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,640 do anything about it. 804 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,720 Um, so no, I don't miss the days where I had pipe cleaner legs, um, you know, and couldn't 805 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,720 fit anything. 806 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:49,360

And so AJ is also a pretty, uh, slender man and he actually, he struggles to find, um, 807 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,760 well, he, we struggled to find a good fitting suit for him because he's just, he's just 808 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,760 a little too skinny. 809 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:04,760 Um, and, but he does want to bulk up, but for the wedding, we found a perfectly fitting 810 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,760 suit and it like, it fits him perfectly. 811 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:16,760 But now he's worried that, well, when he starts going to the gym and trying to bulk up it, 812 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,240 you know, unfortunately that is, unfortunately that's the way, isn't it? 813 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,120 Um, I'd, you could sell it. 814 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,120 Yeah. 815 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,760 Say once you zone, I know, but then I just keep it in the wedding. 816 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:36,040 Um, I mean like, yeah, I think my, uh, my parents have some old clothes, but it's funny 817 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,000 because, you know, like, yeah, it's, it always is funny when you look at old clothes and 818 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,120 you go, I'll never fit this anymore. 819 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,720 I'll never fit this. 820 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:50,320 And I, you know, but then you look at old like, oh, it's, yeah, it's the same. 821 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,960 Like Emily's had the same issue where she doesn't fit old jeans or old skirts anymore. 822 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520 And it's just like, oh yeah, we changed shape. 823 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,520 You kind of forget about it. 824 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,720 Do you, do you worry like, because you've taken a break from acting as well, what's 825 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,400 your plans to get back into it now when you return? 826 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,400 Yeah, yeah. 827 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:13,800 So after, um, after our time here, uh, we'll be going back to Wisconsin for a bit and then 828 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,040 we're planning on moving to Chicago. 829 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,040 Yes. 830 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:27,680 Um, and Chicago is not say as big in acting as LA is or New York, um, or maybe like Atlanta. 831 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,680 I think Atlanta, Georgia is getting very, um, 832 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,720 Atlanta has a lot of film scenes. 833 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:32,720 Yeah. 834 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:38,800 Um, but Chicago I feel has a good mix of both, you know, it's, it's a, on a smaller scale. 835 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:46,520 Um, but we both come from a theater background and Chicago has decent theater. 836 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,000 So yeah. 837 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,960 And plus AJ has, um, family there. 838 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,240 So we have some connections to Chicago, which will be, will be nice. 839 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,760 But yes, the plan is to get back into it. 840 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,760 I miss it. 841 00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,760 Yeah. 842 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,760 Yeah. 843 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:07,360 And I think it's something, I mean, I've, yeah, I've always wanted to do it and I feel 844 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,880 as though I haven't, I haven't given it my all yet, you know, like I started to, and 845 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,880 then I stopped. 846 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,840 Um, but I haven't like put in the sweat, you know, yet, you know, like I want to before 847 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,640 I, um, even though I don't think I'll ever give it up, you know, I always want to be 848 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,600 creative in some way. 849 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:39,760 Um, just because I am a very creative, um, person, but yeah, I need to, I'm not, I'm 850 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,280 not done with it yet. 851 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:48,720 Do you feel like, you know, that now you're getting older and older, um, that you've sort 852 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,440 of missed opportunities because of COVID as well? 853 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,080 Um, yeah, probably. 854 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,080 Probably. 855 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,080 Um, but. 856 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:07,680 Yeah, I'm, I'm, actually that is a bit sad thinking about it. 857 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,200 I didn't really think about that. 858 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,320 It wasn't meant to make you feel sad. 859 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,320 No, no, but you're right. 860 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,840 And I do think that, yeah, I've probably missed, you know, a few windows of, you know, now 861 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:30,120 I can, my age bracket is probably, you know, 25 to 30, not like 17 to 25, but you know, 862 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,560 like, so, and I missed all those little, you know, I could play high school, you know, 863 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:35,560 now I probably. 864 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,680 Can play a young adult. 865 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,520 I mean, it's interesting as well, because I feel like the, the demographic towards women 866 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,880 and, and aging is, is very problematic. 867 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,520 Like it's still to this day, like, you know, unless you're Meryl Streep or Halle Maron 868 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,520 or somewhere like that. 869 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,800 It's like, oh, that's right. 870 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,800 Yeah. 871 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,280 You show one wrinkle and it's like, sorry, you're out. 872 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,120 Like you can't do this anymore. 873 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,640 Like how, how are you with that? 874 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,960 Because like theater background and stuff, do you want to get into film? 875 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,280 Is that your like as well? 876 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,080 Yeah, I'd like to. 877 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,280 And that's why I chose LA, you know, three years ago. 878

00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:19,000 I moved there because I wanted to get more into film and TV. 879 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000 Yeah. 880 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,720 And yeah, they're not forgiving at all. 881 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:29,760 Like they do, especially for women, like you said, it's. 882 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:30,760 Yeah. 883 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,760 Yeah. 884 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,840 Whereas I think theater, and that's why I kind of want to get back into theater because 885 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:44,560 it can be, you know, you can be 30 and play a 25 year old or like, you know, even a young 886 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,720 twenties person and you can get away with it. 887 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,080 Cause what's the, what's the genres that you like to steer towards? 888 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,720 What are the things that you love? 889 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:55,720 Comedy. 890 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,080 I mean, I love everything. 891 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:07,240 I just feel for some, and maybe it's, I feel as though my coping mechanisms in real life 892 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,840 are also, I don't love, I don't like confrontation. 893 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:17,960 You know, I don't, you know, when someone gets angry at me, I'll find a way to like, 894 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,120 make light of it and giggle. 895 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,120 Yeah. 896 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,120 Yeah. 897 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,000 I'm so that's why I think I enjoy comedy. 898 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,760 Cause it's kind of my, yeah. 899 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,840 And it's my, what's it called? 900 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,920 My, the default, you know, I just fall into that, you know, it could be a serious moment, 901 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,760 you know, we could be crying and I'll start laughing, you know, because I don't know, 902 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,680 that's the way that I am, I guess. 903 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,320 But yeah, comedy. 904 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:53,600 Do you think, cause like you went to Newtown Performing Arts School, which is a great school 905 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,600 and chaos school. 906 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,600 Yes. 907 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,600 It's a very chaotic school. 908 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600 A lot of people have come out of there and it's chaos. 909 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:06,760 But yeah, like it encourages a lot of people to take risks as well in terms of acting, 910 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:13,000 which you know, and the fact that you also studying Wollongong and you know, I think 911 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,960 it's very interesting because like, you know, there's actors and then there's actors. 912 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,080 And I think there's a, you know, people, people who don't know what that means are very two 913 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,060 different things, which is like, I feel like people who come in and you know, Newtown Performing 914 00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:32,000 Arts School tend to be the actor, like the actual proper thing. 915 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,000 Yeah. 916 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,280 And it's a very, like there's some of the stuff that I was seeing there is quite heavy, 917 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,720 very heavy, like some of the content, especially for like teenagers to do. 918 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,720 And I was like thinking, how is that appropriate? 919 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,840 Cause like, you know, you're talking about like sex and drugs and you know, like. 920 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,840 Do you know the play Black Rock? 921 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,840 Yes. 922 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,840 Yeah. 923 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,400 We did that in year 10, I want to say. 924 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,160 Is that the one which I'm thinking of, which is the Heath Ledger movie? 925 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,800 The one where the girl gets murdered? 926 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,800 Yeah. 927 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,800 She gets raped and murdered. 928 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,800 Yeah. 929 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,360 And it's like, that's a very line. 930 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,360 I remember that. 931 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,360 Yeah. 932 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,800 That was, it's great play. 933 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,800 Yeah, it is. 934 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,800 Great play, but it's, it's heart wrenching. 935 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:26,920 And for high schoolers, it's just, it doesn't seem, I mean, it is their age group. 936 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:35,400 I think the kids in the play are kids, you know, they're in 15, 16, 17 and 18 years old. 937 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,400 Yeah. 938 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:43,360 You know, so it makes sense, but boy, is it heavy and disturbing and you're playing, yeah, 939 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,880 like the friend of the girl who got, you know, raped and murdered. 940 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,880 Yeah. 941 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,480 And I think it's like, you know, whenever I think about like stories that particularly 942 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,440 have like, you know, sexual assault or anything like that and are portrayed by young people, 943 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,560 you know, and having known people who've been survivors of actual sexual assault, it could 944 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,960 be quite triggering. 945 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,160 I think it's like, a prime example, I keep thinking of the Nightingale, which has, is 946 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,880 Jennifer Kent's film. 947 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:17,520 And that has quite a gruesome scene, which is where a child gets killed and the mother 948 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,980 gets sexually assaulted and raped and a husband gets murdered. 949 00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:22,980 Like it's awful. 950 00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:26,920 Like you don't sit there and go, this is great. 951 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,840

But you know, it's one of those things that it's so heavy. 952 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,560 And I think the main actor was like 22, like 21, 22. 953 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,560 So it's like quite heavy for a young performer. 954 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,680 But you know, like we're doing it with teenagers and stuff. 955 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,400 And I think it's interesting because like all my friends who have come out of like, 956 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,520 you know, I think it's the inner west vibe as well. 957 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:54,080 There's something about the inner west where we, I'm going to say very bluntly, we're 958 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,080 fucked. 959 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,840 We're all very fucked kind of people. 960 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:03,800 But it's sort of, I feel like there's something about growing up in the inner west, because 961 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,360 whereabouts did you grow up? 962 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,920 Well, so when we first moved to Australia, I lived in Newtown. 963 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,280 We lived here for a few months. 964 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,280 And then I lived in Elwood. 965 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,280 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 966 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,280 Because I mean, like. 967 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,680 Marrickville, yeah. 968 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200 Yeah, Elwood's nice. 969 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,280 Marrickville is kind of a little interesting. 970 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,080 But yeah, like, you know, I remember growing up here and I grew up in Stanmore. 971 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,920 So it was like, you know, like in between going to, because I went to end up public 972 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,240 school and then I went to Leichhardt. 973 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:39,240 One of the other schools that we were offered was Newtown Performing Arts School. 974 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,040 I think we were just like, my parents didn't know what to do. 975 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,960 And I think I was very determined to go to Leichhardt High School because I knew a friend 976 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,960 there. 977 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,640 So I was like, if I hadn't gone there, I probably would have gone to Newtown Performing. 978 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,800 But because we knew everyone was like, everyone has been in the vicinity. 979 00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,320 But I just remember there was a lot of like, a lot of like, in the 90s and early 2000s, 980 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,160 there was a lot of crime around here. 981 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,160 Oh, yeah. 982 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,160 So much crime. 983 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,200 And I think it just made everyone a little bit kind of edgy and disturbed. 984 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:17,920 Because it's funny as well, because I think that I've always been attracted to like dark 985 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:24,760 stories, like, and I'm particularly like comedic tones

with like dark underlings. 986 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,560 Yeah, I like that too. 987 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,560 Yeah. 988 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,360 And you know, with a happy trying to stay positive about bleak, bleak outlet. 989 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:41,840 And like, do you sort of see yourself like wanting to, I guess, go into that sort of 990 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:47,680 like more due to experiences and like growing up in the West and you know, and the craziness 991 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,720 that was Newtown Performing High School by going into more dramatic roles eventually, 992 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:53,720 or like dark undertones? 993 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:54,720 Oh, for sure. 994 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:55,720 Yeah. 995 00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:03,680 I do love a good, you know, dark comedy or drama, for sure. 996 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,120 I would love to get into that. 997 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:13,200 And I, not that, not necessarily, what's her face? 998 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,240 You know, the joke is, um, oh, Margot Robbie, like Harley Quinn, Harley Quinn, you know, 999 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:27,800 maybe not someone like that, but I've always been fascinated with, um, like the Joker or, 1000 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,320 I don't know, that's, you know, very, I feel as though everyone's kind of like, yes, every 1001 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,880 actor is like, I'd love to play the Joker. 1002 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:41,080 Um, but, um, or, you know, Ameri-, have you seen the movie American Psycho? 1003 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,080 Yes. 1004 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,080 Like that Christian Bale? 1005 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,080 Yeah. 1006 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,080 Yeah. 1007 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,680 Like that kind of, you know, twisted character. 1008 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,760 I love the scene where he's running down a hallway naked with a chainsaw, like literally 1009 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,760 about to murder people. 1010 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,760 It's great. 1011 00:57:52,760 --> 00:58:01,400 So it would be, um, fun, is not the right word, but I would love to explore a character 1012 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,400 like that. 1013 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:09,440 Um, but see how it's still, it's not, it doesn't have comedy, but it's, all the characters 1014 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,480 that I'm talking about are kind of, um, uh, not fully serious, you know? 1015 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:22,280 Like I'm always drawn to, you know, even when I do want to play something more dramatic 1016 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,480 and serious, there's an aspect of, you know. 1017 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,480 Undertone. 1018 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,480 Yes. 1019 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,480 Yes. 1020 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,480 I mean, isn't that the way as well? 1021 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,760 Like it's, it's performance-based, you know, you want to play the villain, but the villains 1022 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,760 tend to be the most multifaceted. 1023 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,760 Yeah. 1024 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,760 Yeah, I know. 1025 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,120 Why is that? 1026 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,120 I have no idea. 1027 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,600 I think it's, I think it's like the, you know, the way that people write them, because 1028 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,800 like our heroines always are just very boring. 1029 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,800 Yeah. 1030 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,400 Like, who wants to play that? 1031 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,400 Give me the, uh, yeah. 1032 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,400 Give me the Joker. 1033 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,000 Give me, I'm looking at, um, Beetlejuice right now. 1034 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,360 Yeah, no, I like a little Beetlejuice. 1035 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:03,100 I mean, like Michael Keaton also is a fantastic, phenomenal actor, like, um, who's done a, 1036 00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:07,760 but I mean, like, you know, like I look at Margot Robbie's career, you know, because 1037 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,800 she's played like Harley Quinn. 1038 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,240 And I think that as an actor, she has kind of done her own stuff. 1039 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,240 And I, um, if anyone's seen I, Tonya, go and watch it. 1040 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,240 It's a great movie. 1041 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,240 So good. 1042 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,240 Um, it's so messy. 1043 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,160 Like it's such a messy life. 1044 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,600 Um, and I love how, like, I think Margot Robbie said in the interview, she was like, the problem 1045 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,360 was doing this film was no one was giving us an honest, true story. 1046 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320 Like everyone had their own version of what actually happened. 1047 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,560 And she was like, that's why we left it like really vague to actually what, like it was 1048 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,960 told through very fractured ideology and lenses. 1049 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:48,400 Um, all we know was that, you know, the opponent's legs were broken, um, or a kneecap was bludgeoned 1050 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,400 in. 1051 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,400 It was awful. 1052 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,400 It was awful event. 1053 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,600 I can't believe this actually happened. 1054 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,800 Um, but you know, like, I think like I love twisted characters. 1055 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,760 I always think they're fun to write. 1056 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,600 They're fun to direct and they're fun to like portray. 1057 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:11,280 Um, I mean, as an actor now, especially like. 1058 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,680 Is there anything you wouldn't do? 1059 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,600 Because I feel like Newtown performing arts makes it very impossible to not do anything. 1060 01:00:18,600 -->

01:00:19,600 Oh dear. 1061 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,000 Is that a good thing? 1062 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000 I don't know. 1063 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,680 I feel like it's like, um, it was definitely when we went to school, there was less of 1064 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,400 a, you know, it was during the area where I guess like the me too movement and the whole 1065 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,720 work safety thing hadn't really fallen in place as heavily as it had now. 1066 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,040 Um, do you feel like there's a lot of roles that you wouldn't play now or do you think 1067 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,520 you'd be game for almost anything? 1068 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,520 Hmm. 1069 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:57,360 Um, I want to say I would be game for almost, um, everything. 1070 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:03,640 I don't know if, um, and maybe this is just me, but I'm not very confident in, you know, 1071 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,480 my body or, um, so I wouldn't necessarily. 1072 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:20,360 I don't know if I, it would be tough for me to play like an overtly sexual woman. 1073 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:32,680 Um, I think it would be very, uh, fun, but nerve wracking character to, um, to dive into 1074 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,000 because I'm just, and I mean, that's why I love acting. 1075 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,200 And I have played, um, characters like that in the past, but on a small scale, so kind 1076 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:47,720 of like, uh, you know, an audit, an audition scene, you know, or like a, a scene study 1077 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,640 class, you know, I've been given a, a character who's very like, you know, like a prostitute 1078 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:57,440 who's trying to seduce a man and it's very, um, not me. 1079 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,560 And so I think that is kind of the most uncomfortable character. 1080 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:12,440 Um, yeah, so it would be more difficult for me to, um, play someone like that, but I think 1081 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,240 I would do it, um, because it would be a challenge. 1082 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:25,120 So no, I don't know if there would be anything I, I wouldn't want to do, but again, I haven't 1083 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,120 really thought about it. 1084 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,120 Yeah. 1085 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,640 Cause I always, I always get intrigued by what people wouldn't do. 1086 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,480 Cause I don't think there's a character that I wouldn't play. 1087 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,040 It would just be bad writing. 1088 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,040 Yeah. 1089 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,920 It would have to be very bad writing for me. 1090 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:39,920 Not exactly. 1091 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:47,400 Um, like, I dunno, there's a lot of like independent art out there, which is terrible. 1092 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,200 But I mean, like, have you noticed a massive difference between now, like, um, you know, 1093 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,680 the, the independent scene in America versus the independent scene in Australia as well? 1094 01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,600 Like which, which side do you prefer? 1095 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:06,040 So I don't really know the independent scene here. 1096 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,880 So I can't, I can't really say. 1097 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,880 You left before or something? 1098 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,360 Yeah, I did. 1099 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:21,920 Um, my cousin actually, um, small plug, um, but he, uh, he created a short film called 1100 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,920 mate. 1101 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,120 Um, and it's been doing really well. 1102 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:32,760 Um, been traveling around and going to, um, different, um, film festivals. 1103 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,520 Um, and I'm very, very proud of him. 1104 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:43,120 So I, you know, that's more independent, you know, that was a small scale, you know, um, 1105 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,120 short film. 1106 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:53,360 And I feel as though, correct me if I'm wrong, but Australian independent films do seem to 1107 01:03:53,360 --> 01:04:02,560 be more, um, uh, gritty, you know, gritty, maybe a little, um, not necessarily darker 1108 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:11,200 because some, you know, Americans, you know, love to pretty, you know, dark, um, films, 1109 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:17,160 but, uh, yeah, gritty and more, um, uh, disturbing potentially. 1110 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:25,600 Yeah, I don't know if disturbing is the right word, whether I'm thinking about, but there's 1111 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:36,320 always an, an element I feel as though in general, Americans do like to be more light 1112 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,320 hearted. 1113 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,320 Yeah. 1114 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,280 Australian cinema does take itself quite seriously. 1115 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,280 Yeah. 1116 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,280 Yeah. 1117 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:49,720 Again, I don't really know much of the independent scene here, so I'm not sure. 1118 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,680 It's interesting as well, because I have this conversation with a lot of people and a lot 1119 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,880 of, there was a period of time, which was when Marvel Studios, I think was moving a 1120 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,880 lot of its productions to Australia because of the pandemic. 1121 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,160 And now it's like fading again. 1122 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,520 It came in and went like a feeling. 1123 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:11,920 And I feel like the only reason was a couple of big names were able to kind of push a lot 1124 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,360 of work here, which meant there was a lot of work. 1125 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:20,080 Um, but there is no, like the independent art scene is so hard. 1126 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,080 Yeah.

1127 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:26,280 Um, unless you kind of already made it, it's really very hard to get an original out there. 1128 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,080 That's what I've heard, especially here. 1129 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:35,600 It's a very, um, um, actually my cousin, um, it was, um, talking about how it has like 1130 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,320 the scene was booming. 1131 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:43,840 The entertainment industry was, um, you know, really, you know, um, uppity, you know, like 1132 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,840 exciting. 1133 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,120 And now it's kind of fizzled again. 1134 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:54,240 So I wonder if that's because, you know, the, a lot of studios and people from the States 1135 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:59,680 came, um, and, you know, worked on some things here, but now they've gone back. 1136 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,400 So I wonder if that's why, um, really? 1137 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,400 Yeah. 1138 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,400 Yeah. 1139 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,320 I mean, they probably went, oh, I want to be home again with my family. 1140 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,240 I mean, it is very much the case because Australia during its summer is awful to film in and 1141 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,160 during its winter is the best time. 1142 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,160 Yeah. 1143 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,520 Um, because summer is just where all the tourists come. 1144 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,160 Um, but we have a great summer box office. 1145 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,840 So we, we get a lot of people coming in and bums on the seats to go. 1146 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:26,840 Yeah. 1147 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,840 Um, I mean, like there is a lot of interest in Australia, like in terms of marketing and 1148 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,920 stuff, we, we make up a fair amount of like profit for movies and television. 1149 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,480 So Australia is a huge bonus. 1150 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,760 Um, but it is interesting because yeah, like most of the stuff that comes out of Australia 1151 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:50,600 are like, if it wasn't like Muriel's wedding, you know, if people don't, you know, remember 1152 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,800 that, um, you're a terrible Muriel. 1153 01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:00,560 Um, you know, like if you don't remember cult classics like that, it's kind of like, you 1154 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,680 know, it kind of fizzles out. 1155 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:09,920 And I feel like even the films that are made here, like the big names, they are set in 1156 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,920 America. 1157 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:11,920 They aren't set in Australia. 1158 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,560 They aren't, but like we're in Australia, like they're elsewhere. 1159 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,160 And well, it's fine. 1160 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,840 It is a little disappointing because it kind of doesn't showcase and, and they tend to 1161 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,080 use already big names. 1162 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,760 I think there's the problem I find with Australian industry is there's so much talent here, but 1163 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,040 there's no room to let people grow. 1164 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:41,400 I yeah, I've seen that it's a very, um, like the, the two people who work are the only 1165 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:47,040 two people that are getting work, you know, and there are, I do know of a lot of talented 1166 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,240 people here that are just not seeing the light of day. 1167 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,240 Yeah. 1168 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,560 No, I mean, like was that when you moved, was that an intent, um, like a thing for you? 1169 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,400 Were you just like, I'm not going to get work here and I want to go and move overseas or 1170 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,000 is it a very much, I just want to go and explore. 1171 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:08,260 So I didn't really give Australia an opportunity. 1172 01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:14,260 And actually I was told by a lot of people like, why are you moving to America? 1173 01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:16,480 Why aren't you like trying acting here? 1174 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:22,480 Cause I did one short film here and I moved. 1175 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:29,880 So, uh, I think it was just, I wanted a change of scene. 1176 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:35,400 Um, and you know, um, there are so many people who go to LA, you know, I need to go to LA. 1177 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:36,880 I need to be in Hollywood. 1178 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,120 Um, and I think I had that kind of vision in my head, you know, like I'm going to go 1179 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,600 to LA, go to a school and then make it there. 1180 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,800 And of course that's also ridiculous because the industry there, um, see, I don't know 1181 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:58,760 what's better because the industry in LA is huge and there's constantly stuff, you know, 1182 01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,760 happening. 1183 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:07,040 Um, and you know, there's good, um, student, um, yeah, film schools, um, that are producing 1184 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,560 pretty good, um, short films. 1185 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,400 Um, so I don't know if it's better to be there where the industry is huge, but you're 1186 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:21,720 also fighting, um, for a seat, you know, among hundreds of other people who look, you know, 1187 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,320 look similar to you. 1188 01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:29,960 Or if it's better here because it is a, such as smaller scale, the only difference is, 1189 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:36,040 is, you know, there's not a ton of work and the little bit of work that there is, is constantly 1190 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,040 given to the same people. 1191 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:42,060 So, yeah, it's tough. 1192 01:09:42,060 -->

01:09:43,280 It's tough regardless. 1193 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,000 It's not an easy, um, career path. 1194 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,000 That's for sure. 1195 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,040 No, it's, it's like, this is why I went to the States. 1196 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:59,280 Um, I mean like, yeah, cause, cause that's, I feel like you haven't missed out. 1197 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,160 I don't think you've missed out. 1198 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:07,680 I mean, I think it's, it's whatever your calling is, I realize. 1199 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,640 Like whatever you feel like is the right move for you because you know, your theater trained 1200 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,880 and hopefully, you know, with Chicago, you're able to get some film work and stuff and you 1201 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,720 know, fly around, um, depending where the work is. 1202 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:29,480 Um, but I mean, with Australia in the film industry, it hasn't got much of a film industry. 1203 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,480 It's got a bit of a theater scene. 1204 01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:34,040 Melbourne's got more of a theater scene than Sydney does. 1205 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,160 Melbourne does have much more of a theater scene and probably film scene. 1206 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:42,040 Cause you know, just it, I think there's a lot more to Melbourne than there is to Sydney. 1207 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:47,800 Um, but I feel like there are some productions that have come to Australia, which are great. 1208 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,680 We have a great musical scene though. 1209 01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,640 Like for some reason, the Capitol is huge. 1210 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,640 Yeah. 1211 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,920 Um, and there's a lot of musicals that just pop out of Australia, which is weird. 1212 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,840 I know, but I, I've seen that as well. 1213 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:08,160 There's a, I, I can not remember any names today, but uh, yeah. 1214 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:13,360 Well, like you said, the music here is, there's a lot of good indie artists. 1215 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,360 Yeah. 1216 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:15,360 Yeah. 1217 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:21,360 I mean, do you ever think that you do musicals? 1218 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,480 I would love to. 1219 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,640 I just don't think I'm a very good singer. 1220 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:25,640 I'm okay. 1221 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,120 You know, I can hit, I can hit notes. 1222 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:35,080 Um, but I don't have that, you know, trained and cause these people, the musical people 1223 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:39,000 are trained since they were babies. 1224 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,520 You know, they have incredible voices and I think you're supposed to be a pretty good 1225 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,520 dancer as well. 1226 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,520 And I'm a goofy dancer. 1227 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:47,520 So you're uncoordinated. 1228 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,520 Is this what you're admitting? 1229 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,520 I wouldn't say uncoordinated. 1230 01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:57,520 I just, you know, I have my own style, you know, it's when you see me dance, it's like, 1231 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,360 oh yeah, there's Natalie dancing, you know, she's in her own world. 1232 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,360 Just enjoying. 1233 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,840 I'm not, uh, I don't, I don't follow the rules. 1234 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:06,840 You know, I love that. 1235 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,920 I'm very, would you describe yourself? 1236 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,920 Would you describe yourself as chaotic? 1237 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:12,920 Yeah. 1238 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,920 Yes, I would. 1239 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,920 Very much so. 1240 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:19,200 But hey, I came from Newtown High, so yeah, I know. 1241 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,720 I was like, that's a normal thing. 1242 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,600 I, what was it like? 1243 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,720 So whereabouts were you born? 1244 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,240 I was born in Thessaloniki, Greece. 1245 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,240 Wow. 1246 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,300 Was that just by circumstance? 1247 01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:37,360 So my mom is a Greek, but she was, she was born in Greece, but grew up here. 1248 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,840 My father is Aussie, you know, as Aussie as it gets. 1249 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:47,600 Uh, but they got married here, then moved back to Greece, um, cause my grandfather was, 1250 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:48,600 um, dying. 1251 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:54,000 Um, and, uh, then I was born and my two siblings were born. 1252 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,160 Um, yeah. 1253 01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,200 And then we lived, I grew up there. 1254 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,080 Um, we moved when I was 13 years old. 1255 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:02,080 Wow. 1256 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,080 Wow. 1257 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:04,080 So that's quite a while in Greece. 1258 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. 1259 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:15,080 And then lived here for 11 or 12 years. 1260 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,480 And then I moved to America. 1261 01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:20,240 So really every, um, 10 or so years I moved to another country. 1262 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,240 Um, yeah. 1263 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,240 So where's it going to be next? 1264 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,240 I don't know. 1265 01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,240 Yes. 1266 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,240 I don't know. 1267 01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,360 I'm thinking, I was thinking somewhere in Europe, maybe France. 1268 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:29,360 I don't know. 1269 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,360 Oh, that would be nice. 1270 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,200 10 years in, 10 years in France, but you know, you could really go something there. 1271

01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,200 How good's your French? 1272 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,880 Uh, non good. 1273 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,960 Non good? 1274 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:41,960 Non good. 1275 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,280 I don't remember the basic phrase. 1276 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,840 No, no, no. 1277 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:52,100 I know my French lesson has just disappeared. 1278 01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,760 J'appelle Nathalie. 1279 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,160 Oh, that's pretty good actually. 1280 01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:04,440 That I, I mean, I mean, like I've, I've been to, I've never been to like France, but I've 1281 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:08,080 been to the French speaking South of Canada. 1282 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,080 Yeah. 1283 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,080 That's, um, that's Quebec. 1284 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,080 Quebec. 1285 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,080 Yeah. 1286 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,080 Yeah. 1287 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,080 Um, Quebec and Montreal. 1288 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:20,200 So there's Quebec city and Montreal and by the beautiful, like, um, Montreal is a bit 1289 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,200 of a more bilingual. 1290 01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:28,640 Um, uh, Quebec is very like, you go past the touristy border and then suddenly no one speaks 1291 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,640 English. 1292 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,640 Oh, really? 1293 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,640 Everyone speaks French. 1294 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,280 It's not even like French French because the, there's such a debate on the internet. 1295 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,280 It's so funny. 1296 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:45,160 But because of the way that Canada was set up, the French that they speak in Quebec, 1297 01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,960 in the French speaking South of Canada is not proper French. 1298 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,600 It's like a, you know, the French call it a bastardized version of what it is. 1299 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,760 So it's not proper proper. 1300 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,800 And yeah, you do have to kind of like learn a little bit like of what people are saying 1301 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:05,800 because it's like, if you studied basic French, you would not understand a word. 1302 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,960 But it is, it's like having been there for like, I was staying there for about a week. 1303 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:11,960 It was really nice. 1304 01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,960 Like, um, we'd do it again. 1305 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:19,440 And like, you know, when obviously I live in Canada, I get to go there. 1306 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:25,400 Um, you know, but I do, I do like love that idea because having lived in Sydney for 30 1307 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,240 years, Sydney is not very exciting. 1308 01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,400 Yeah, I've been back. 1309 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,160 I mean, it is a beautiful city, you know, it really is. 1310 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,440 And the people

are nice. 1311 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:47,480 Um, but it, it's very, it's very expensive and yeah, I don't know being back. 1312 01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:57,280 I don't know what it has to offer besides, I mean, decent weather and pretty views. 1313 01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:02,800 It's just like, it seems very expensive for not a good enough reason, you know, cause 1314 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:08,240 it's not like San Francisco where it's, you know, it's the tech, you know, the tech, um, 1315 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:16,560 um, giant, or, you know, New York, you have Broadway and like, you know, all these different, 1316 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:22,600 you know, places, LA has Hollywood, um, you know, Melbourne has, like you said, a better 1317 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,720 entertainment scene than Sydney. 1318 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,880 It's like, well, what does Sydney actually have to offer? 1319 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,080 I mean, the more I live here, the less I know. 1320 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,240 It's yeah, I feel like it's nice. 1321 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,160 It's been great for like the 30 years that I've been here, but it is really like a place 1322 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:44,080 where you raise a family and that's about the only thing you really do. 1323 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,760 And then people leave, like they just go, no, okay, bye. 1324 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,640 Um, like, but I mean, like, I don't want to have kids in Australia. 1325 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,160 Yeah, particularly when I have kids here. 1326 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,720 Nothing against people having children here. 1327 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,280 I just, I personally don't want to. 1328 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,520 Um, but like, do you, do you want to start a family in the next few years? 1329 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:05,520 Is that your plan? 1330 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,280 Yeah, I would love that. 1331 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,320 Um, yeah. 1332 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,600 Is that like, I like that you, cause you said before that you, you always want to do acting. 1333 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,920 You don't think like having a family is going to really put that on hold as well. 1334 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:17,920 No, no. 1335 01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,320 And I, I feel as though I have a pretty good support system cause I know not everyone can 1336 01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:31,960 say that, you know, and I know that, I mean, having kids is your world turns upside down. 1337 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:38,720 Um, but I have a pretty good support system and I have a lot of people who are in the 1338 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:46,640 entertainment industry, um, and do have kids and you know, they've told me that it didn't, 1339 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:51,240 um, it didn't really bother their career at all. 1340 01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,680 In fact, it may have made that, um, bigger. 1341 01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:02,480 And actually one of my, um, uh, previous,

um, housemates who was a 70 year old, uh, 1342 01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:07,340 woman who, yeah, was also in the entertainment industry. 1343 01:18:07,340 --> 01:18:14,800 She was a, um, producer, um, worked, you know, in the news field and she's actually won like 1344 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,720 19 Emmys or something. 1345 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:18,840 Um, it was great. 1346 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:24,040 I would get to hold them and talk in the mirror and pretend that I'm receiving an Emmy. 1347 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,440 It was really lovely. 1348 01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:34,200 Um, but, uh, she said that she actually has, um, the one, the one thing that she regrets 1349 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:41,840 in life is not having a family because she thought that having kids would just ruin everything 1350 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,160 and she would not be able to have the career that she had, but she had, she has other friends 1351 01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:55,060 that are her age, but now have kids and grandkids and also had very successful careers. 1352 01:18:55,060 --> 01:18:57,560 So she said that it can be done. 1353 01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:03,040 It's, it's, it's a myth, you know, when people tell you, oh, you know, if you have kids, 1354 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:08,280 it's the end for you, you won't be able to do anything and forget acting. 1355 01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,740 Um, cause no, that's not true. 1356 01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:17,800 And I think if you think about it that way, maybe, you know, you might, um, if you go 1357 01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,960 in that negatively, then yeah, you might not be as successful, but I think, yeah, kids 1358 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,800 change your life, but, um, they don't destroy it. 1359 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:38,120 You know, it's, uh, you, you just learn to, um, I don't know, work through things. 1360 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,760 I, I, I a hundred percent agree with that. 1361 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:47,280 And I think that's why I also look forward to being a parent because it's kind of half 1362 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,640 the fun of living. 1363 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,760 It's kind of like, um, I mean, I know we talk, I know we're literally just talking about 1364 01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:00,080 like how difficult and annoying our parents are, but I mean, like, I think it's very sweet 1365 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,280 to have the ability to have kids as well and have a family. 1366 01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,160 And I, I think, yeah, it's just, it's just nice. 1367 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,160 It makes you feel whole. 1368 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,160 Yeah. 1369 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,840 Um, I don't know. 1370 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,640 I just, and having little mini versions of you and like teaching them about, you know, 1371 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,720 how the world works and like passing on, you know, your knowledge. 1372 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:22,720 I don't know. 1373 01:20:22,720

--> 01:20:27,720 It's just, yeah, there's a, there's two friends of ours who have three and a five year old. 1374 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,080 And they said to us as much as like, you know, they're sleepy and tired, they're like, never 1375 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,000 swap it for anything because they're like, this is the best experience I could ever have. 1376 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,680 Um, you know, is watching them grow and watching it. 1377 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,320 And it's honestly like, that's all you live for. 1378 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:48,960 It's like, uh, I think, I definitely think that some people who don't want to have kids, 1379 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:49,960 that's totally fine. 1380 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:55,160 But I think some people who automatically choose to be like, it will ruin my career. 1381 01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,160 Don't think of like that. 1382 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,160 Yeah. 1383 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,160 Have a family. 1384 01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,160 If you want a family, don't have a family. 1385 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,040 If you don't want a family, just do what you want. 1386 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:07,440 I think be like my career is everything though, because that's when you become unhappy later 1387 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:08,440 in life. 1388 01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:10,520 Like you can really detriment yourself. 1389 01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:11,520 Absolutely. 1390 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:18,520 And I think, yeah, like I said, my biggest, um, example for me now is, you know, my previous 1391 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:24,320 roommate who was so lovely, but she said multiple times, you know, she told me how much she 1392 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,320 regretted that. 1393 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,320 Um, cause now she's all alone. 1394 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,480 Yeah, it's quite sad. 1395 01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,080 Yeah, it is. 1396 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,080 It is. 1397 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,200 So I think if you can, and the same goes with, um, travel, I think people freak out. 1398 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,520 It's like, you can't travel with kids and sure. 1399 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:48,440 Like it can be more expensive and a lot more stressful, but, um, or now I'm tripped to 1400 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:49,440 Greece. 1401 01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:56,240 Actually we met a German couple that had a young baby with them and they told us how 1402 01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,240 like, traveling with kids is fine. 1403 01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,160 You know, like I don't understand why people get so stressed out. 1404 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:13,000 Like you just kind of deal with it and kids are a lot more, um, flexible. 1405 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,760 I think people give them credit. 1406 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,160 Um, credit for, yeah. 1407 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:19,160 Yeah. 1408 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,160 Credit for, um, yeah. 1409 01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,160 Kids are great. 1410 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:22,160 I can't wait. 1411 01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:27,280 Only a few more years away. 1412 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,280 I'm counting. 1413 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:29,280 I'm counting. 1414 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,280 I think I'm like three years away. 1415 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,280 So, you know, it's going to catch up. 1416 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,760 It's going to catch up. 1417 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,120 Um, I do have one final question for you, Natalie. 1418 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,600 Where can people find you on the internet? 1419 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,600 Where can they stalk you? 1420 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:47,360 Oh, um, well, they can stalk me on Instagram. 1421 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,360 Um, I have a funny, um, username. 1422 01:22:51,360 --> 01:23:00,640 It's a Greek yogurt, but abbreviated like GRK and then yogurt. 1423 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:06,840 And then I have like my acting one, the Nat Rae Wilson, um, or on TikTok. 1424 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,400 I think I actually spend more time on TikTok now. 1425 01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:10,600 I'm kind of obsessed. 1426 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:11,600 It's not good. 1427 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,600 That is a social media dark hole there. 1428 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,360 Oh, don't get me started. 1429 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,360 I hate it, but I love it. 1430 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,480 Um, but yeah, they are there too. 1431 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:25,920 Just Nat Rae Wilson, if they care to stalk me. 1432 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,280 Really not that exciting though. 1433 01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,280 I don't think. 1434 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,280 No, thank you. 1435 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,280 I've enjoyed this chat. 1436 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:31,280 I've loved it. 1437 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,280 Yes, have I. 1438 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,280 Thank you so much for having me on. 1439 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,280 No, thank you for coming on. 1440 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,280 It was an absolute pleasure. 1441 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,360 Um, and if you want to go and check out more of the things we do, you can check them out 1442 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,360 on Apple and Spotify. 1443 01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,080 I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later. 1444 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,080 Goodbye. 1445 01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:55,080 Bye.