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Andy, you don't look so happy right now.
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I'm I'm fine, Sam.
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I'll I'll be okay.
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Um as for this this hockey club, I don't know.
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Um I I don't know what's going on.
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Um and look, this isn't a a shot at Buffalo because they're clearly a better team than we are right now, but how do you put up such amazing complete performances against Colorado and Dallas, two Western Cup contenders, and then whatever the heck that was against Buffalo?
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How how do you do that?
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I I I I'm not I'm not sure, like you know, the math isn't mathing here for me.
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Um I I just I they they struggle immensely on the second half of a back-to-back again.
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When they face even the the slightest little bit of adversity, they crumble again.
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And like I we we should be talking about the Dallas game.
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I understand that because we didn't talk about it in the last episode because it we didn't it didn't happen yet, but that Buffalo game, Sam.
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I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't that kind of put a damper on things, even with you know how how well they played against Dallas?
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I think there were times they even look good against Buffalo, too.
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It's just when you needed a save, you couldn't make a save.
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I mean, it's weird to even talk about Jet Greaves in this, like um like because we don't usually do it.
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I mean, I feel like we've been doing it now more than ever in his career, but he's not making saves.
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And yeah, you can look at the shots against in that Buffalo game and say, wow, 32 shots.
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I think it was like 30.
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It was a high number of shots through the first two periods, but still, like, even when the game was within grasp, there were pucks that were going in that shouldn't.
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And it's the same story we were saying again, I don't remember what game it was, but it it's very concerning with Jet Greaves, and the Buffalo game got out of hand because we couldn't get a save, and then once the saves couldn't go in, or once the goalie couldn't make saves, uh the players start playing worse and it just spiraled out of control.
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Yeah, and you know, let's the first Buffalo goal, right?
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I think that that's poor defensive coverage um because Quinn got his own rebound.
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That can't be happening.
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So I don't necessarily I don't necessarily blame Jet.
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The second goal, um, I forget who was was taking his their man, but um it was essentially a one-on-one between Josh Norris and uh and Jet Greaves.
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Uh by the way, Josh Norris, who's uh had been struggling previously, had a two-goal game versus versus us, because of course he did.
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Um and uh it's a one-on-one between him and Greaves, and he beats Greaves five-hole.
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That that puck should not be going in.
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Then the third goal, Dalin from the point.
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Greaves usually snatches that with the glove.
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Didn't he didn't get that?
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And those two goals, in my opinion, were the only ones that were really his fault.
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But like that being said, at that point it was three at that point it was three-one, though.
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Um, this team doesn't they they can't play with the lead sometimes, and now they can't play from behind because it's the Columbus Blue Jackets, that's why.
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Okay, so so then I I it's like what you said, Sam.
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There was an opportun there was an opportunity where they could have tied it too.
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Jack Williams got pretty damn close.
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Yeah.
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That that scrum in front of the net where nobody was able to get that towards the net.
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They they had their chances.
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This wasn't like a game where it was just one.
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I mean, it c it looks one-sided on the box scores, but the Jackets had their chances.
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And a couple of bounces, maybe it doesn't spiral out of control, but we can't be pitch telling this maybe story.
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You need to start winning some damn games.
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Yeah, and and look, um, the fourth and fifth uh goals, like I'm I don't want to act like I'm blaming this whole game on Jet because I the reality is uh what happened with Jet doesn't excuse how they played on the fourth and fifth goals.
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That was terrible, yeah, terrible coverage.
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They they just Buffalo clearly wanted it more at that point.
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And you know, I I'd like to be talking about how Warinski has his first two goals of the season, Ken Johnson is still red hot.
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I'd love to be talking about this, but it just it it I don't know, it just it feels again different to talk about this team because even if like the Jackets lost this game, like I don't know, three to two or something like that, there would still be positives, it wouldn't feel as crappy, but the way that they lost, it it just feels like man it it was it was very
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frustrating.
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It was a Friday night game, very frustrating.
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And then the OSU fans, uh OSU CBJ fans, just a rough weekend, man.
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Just a really rough weekend overall.
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Especially if they're also Cleveland Browns fans.
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Yeah, I uh uh some people don't have the have have the luck to be able to bear down right now.
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Uh that was a terrible game, too, to be honest with you.
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That was a that was like the blue jackets in football form, but they were able to escape with the win.
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I don't know who watched Sunday night football.
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Terrible game overall.
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But they but they beared down.
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The blue jackets are not bearing down right now, Andy.
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No, and look, in that Dallas game, they definitely were bearing down because they went down a goal.
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And it was let's talk about let's talk about the goal because that was a terrible turnover by Ivan Provorov.
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I felt so bad for Talbot because of that.
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That's the only mistake Provarov has made since he um since he got uh or since he's come back.
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I think he there were some I and uh I don't want to join that crowd that bashes Provorov because I I like to keep it uh like to be neutral, I like to be fair, but I don't think he was that good that game, Andy.
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I think that overtime too, he they were rotating two defensemen, they were rotating Werensky and Provorov.
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I I think Proverbs the fourth best option in a three on three, a three-on-three overtime as a defenseman.
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I think Matechuk and Sieverson are better options, number one, and that that's even when Proverb's playing really well.
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But Provrop was making some puck mistakes even in the overtime, to be honest.
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But it it it it it it was no harm, no foul, because they did get out with the win.
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But you you focus on the one mistake in that game defensively, it did lead to a goal and it was Proverb, but we can all we can move on, uh water under the bridge at that point.
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Yeah, and Talbot had another outstanding performance in that game.
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Um and it feels like he's I dare I say he's even the starter right now for this team, because it's the like they didn't just beat no no offense to the Blackhawks, but they didn't just beat Chicago or anything.
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Like they beat Colorado and Dallas, and he held the fort down in both of those games, and he's beaten some other pretty
good teams this season, too.
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Um I don't mean to be pessimistic.
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And and with the Colorado game, I feel like we our offense was doing so well.
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Yeah, the he killed off the five on three, they only got one out of it that Colorado game.
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But I think the offense was doing so well.
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I don't think he needed to be like a stand stand on his head goalie that game.
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The now going forward with Cam Talbot, I don't know how sustainable it is that you can rely on a 39-year-old goalie to be your starting goalie.
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Uh we need Jack Greaves to find his game again.
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We need uh in the I don't grass is green, water found in the ocean.
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Undeniable that Greaves has to pick it up.
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And I I'm concerned now because this is now like that Dallas game, that Dallas game a week ago uh was was concerning because of the second goal he let in.
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Those two goals versus Buffalo, like it gets like I've said this so many times, man.
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Like, you need a save at certain points in a game.
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He came up with those saves last season.
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The the Buffalo game is a huge example of where you need a save because you make a couple of you make at least one of those saves.
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It's a different game, man.
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I I I know the goal first goal wasn't really his fault.
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It was the second, I can't remember the goals off the game.
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It was the second and third, and like that were his fault.
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And at that point, the team was just mentally this team is mentally weak, man.
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Let's be honest here.
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And that's that's unacceptable.
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It is unacceptable.
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The guys they invested in.
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This is not a young team anymore.
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It is unacceptable.
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I a hundred percent agree with you.
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Yeah, and now um, you know, they you know uh apart from from Greaves, there's another guy that I think we really need to talk about, Adam Fantilly.
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I'm sorry, I I think he's played pretty well defensively, I do, uh, and he's definitely growing in that regard.
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But this is ridiculous.
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He's on pace, I think, for 34 points.
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Shout out Union and Blue, because they came out with that article.
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Um 34 points for our number one center that we just paid
uh a lot of money over a lot of years.
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Like, I I I don't know what else to say.
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Like, he has to he has to start producing, um and it it's gotta start coming in bunches, right?
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It can't be scoring every couple of games, no matter what.
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Like, he he has to be contributing.
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Well he put himself under this his own microscope here.
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Uh it's gonna sound blunt, but he did.
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He did this to himself, uh, inviting criticism.
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I keep using that term, but he's done it the most because he dragged down the contract because he wanted paid what he thought he was worth, and now he's not playing up to that contract.
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Now, we didn't think he was gonna play up to 13 and a half, it's 13 and a half million, right?
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Or is it 13.75?
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Is it 13.75?
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Well, we we always knew this was a contract he was gonna grow into, but he's not even sniffing the potential of that contract now, if you get what I'm saying.
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He had 35 points on pace for 35 points.
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Some of the puck decisions he's made, one of the goals was because of a turnover of his, right?
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In the ball.
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That was the second goal.
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That was the second goal, and yeah, he probably should have made the save too, but that there's no save to be made if he doesn't turn the puck over.
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He he's I I I said with Zach Worensky, he needs to stop start playing hero puck more because he's capable.
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Adam Fantilly's trying to do it way too much, and it's getting old.
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It is getting old, dude.
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And I'm sure I know you agree with that.
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It's just really frustrating because you look at guys in that draft, and Adam Fantille's probably my favorite player on the team.
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So I'm not gonna, this is not me saying like I dislike him.
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It's just extremely frustrating when you see everyone from that draft class pick one, Bedard.
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He's Connor Bedardi's generational talent from that class.
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Then you look at Leo Carlson.
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I thought there was a comparable, like people in the offseason wrote off Fantilly against Carlson because and thought Carlson was that much better.
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I defended Fantilly all offseason saying it's the gap is not that far off.
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Well, how stupid do I look now because of Fantilly?
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Carlson's tearing it up.
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Fantilly's on pace for 35 points.
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And it's frustrating.
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Go ahead.
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It's also worth mentioning that you can't really factor in Bedard here because, again, with all due respect, he's on an absolutely in a terrible situation in Chicago right now.
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So he's still putting up crazy points, too.
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He's still he's still producing Bedard is.
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I think you I'm using it as a comparison just because they're in the same draft class.
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They've always been compared because of that.
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And I can't help but look at it from that perspective.
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And it's when when you look at it of a Carlson versus Fantilly situation, it's frustrating.
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And when you look at the contract, it's extremely frustrating.
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Can he pick it up?
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Absolutely.
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Will he?
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Hopefully sooner rather than later, and I'm sure he will eventually, but you can't you have to pick it up now.
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We cannot be dropping games right now.
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You are the number one center now.
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You have to be playing like the number one center.
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And I I'm not sure I've seen this, but I could see some people making the uh I guess making the claim that bonus's like style of coaching is suppressing him.
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But Charlie Coyle is like a point per game on this team.
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Don't so don't give me that.
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Um like it it it is what do you mean by that?
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What do you mean by that?
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What I I I want to make sure I understand like what do you mean by that?
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What I mean is Coyle is able to produce What I mean is I don't think that um I don't think that bonus's coaching style, like it probably has something to do with it.
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I'm not expecting there to be like 10 90 point guys on this team, but at the same time, like Fantilly's skill set, what he does out there, uh what he's able to do.
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He had 31 goals a couple years ago, um that he'll he's still able to produce, in my opinion.
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And I see what he does when he has open shots on the power play, it goes in the netting, he misses the net.
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Like it's it, I I'm watching scoring, he creates scoring chances, what you're saying.
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He just they need to go in the back of the net.
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They need to go in the back of the net.
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And we saw this last year with him, too.
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I do you do you remember the Boston game straight out of the Olympic break?
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Right after he had like thir 20 scoring chances, none of them went in until the very end.
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I'm just using that as an example because he gets so many chances, and a lot of them just don't go in.
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And I I I have always used the like reference of imagine if I I don't I don't even know a good percentage comparison to use.
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Let's say 30, 40 percent of his prime scoring chances went in rather than let's say it's at 10% right now.
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That's and like last year.
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Like I don't know how I can't remember how many goals he finished with last year, and he could have had a lot more.
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It's you get where I'm going with this, though.
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He he they need to start going in and he needs to find a way to to get them in the net.
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Because he's creating them, but he's not finishing them.
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Yeah, and I mean they uh they recalled Steven Lawrence and Jack Williams.
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Well, I mean, I thought Jack Williams should have been on this roster an opening night, but there was reasons for it for him not being on the on the team, and we're not gonna get into that, but it was salary stuff.
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Yeah, and and another thing too, um guys, like last week uh there was some rumors, uh, or Aaron Portsline tweeted that like uh the Blue Jack is sending Emil Andre or putting Emile Andre and who's the other one?
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Um Adanton Hynan on waivers.
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Um like it it may uh there's something else may have been in the works.
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Well, they recalled Lorenz and and Williams, so I feel like that hype has died down a bit for the time being, but I still think that that's something to keep an eye on because Aaron Portsai did mention in his Monday gathering that um that Don Waddell's still taking calls.
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Vronkov is still he's his name's still out there.
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The Jackets are open to trading another defenseman.
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Um Sam, like before we talk about before we talk about the lineup, what do you think that this team needs?
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If if Waddell is trading for help right now, what do you think the this team needs?
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What like what play like what does this team need as a whole, or what do they need in a trade return for Voronkov or anyone?
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I I would say you know what, actually, it's it's a bit of both.
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It's a bit of both.
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So they need more offense, Andy.
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They need a hell of a lot more offense.
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They you know, Rick Bonus is a defensive first team.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna go into a whole spiel here.
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And you know, I I know I said I didn't want to use this reference, but we talked about it earlier, Andy.
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And I'm gonna bring up some of those points.
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They they need to score more, they need a goal scorer for a trade.
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For trade.
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I'm kind of all over the place right now.
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But if they are getting trading Varonkov or trading anyone, they need a pure goal scorer, a guy that can go out there and just say, score the goals.
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Don't you don't need to play defense, and that's not gonna work with Rick Bonus, unfortunately.
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But they need someone that can just score the goals.
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Rick bonus coaches a defensive first team, right?
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It's always defensive first games.
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If Rick Bonus could have the choice of how each scoreboard would look, it'd be 1-0 Columbus every game.
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That's a part that is a perfect Rick Bonus game.
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And the way the games, he wants the the way his coach games look when things are going his way are 2-1 win, one-zero win, three-two win, low-scoring game where the other team's not getting a lot of offensive chances because our defense is smothering them.
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And, you know, our defense has looked good at times.
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In the Dallas game, aside from that one screw up, they look really good.
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The Carolina game for a lot of it, or for that third period, looked really good.
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Colorado, most of the game, they looked really good, man.
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So that defense can be there, but what's like you got to score goals.
00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:24.559
You have to transition better.
00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.400
They have the the the are you talking about like from zone to zone?
00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:29.039
Absolutely.
00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:29.920
Yeah, absolutely.
00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.000
The end zone transitions need to be better.
00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:40.319
And and also, Sam, as something else that you mentioned, the dump and chase, yeah, they're not even they're not that's how they want to play, and they're not even doing it right now.
00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:45.440
So so this team is built to be like Don Waddell.
00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.359
You you brought this up earlier, and I'm gonna steal it from you.
00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:54.240
Don Waddell built a team in Carolina that
smothers you in the four-check.
00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:59.039
How a four check can start, not always, but is the dump and chase.
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Not dump and trap.
00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.759
They're they're like they dump the pucks so much.
00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.759
And I am all for dumping and chasing, dump and chase.
00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:14.960
If they chase people who a lot of people hate dump and chase hockey because it's boring.
00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.680
Yeah, but if you do it right, it's damn effective, especially with the way this roster's built.
00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:27.119
I'm tired of talking about, oh, I saw, like we talked about it all in the early episodes of the Blue Coat Room of what they're trying to build, what they're trying to build.
00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:31.599
Well, they're not playing the way that works to the strengths of what they're trying to build.
00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:38.880
They can be a smothering four-check team, but the only guy that forchecks correctly is Matthew Olivier.
00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:41.519
Watch the way he goes in the zone.
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He chases after that puck.
00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.799
He says it's my puck, or this guy's getting put through the glass.
00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:48.799
He he forechecks the right way.
00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:50.720
I don't know why nobody else does it.
00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.200
They just dump in neutral zone trap.
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They they dump the puck and then they play like the 2000 New Jersey Devils as if they have Scott Stevens at the blue line ready to nuke a guy.
00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:03.680
Like it, it makes no sense.
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Just you got guys that can forcheck.
00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.839
Matthew Nines, uh, I I want to I've been asking for it.
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Why is he and he's not doing it?
00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.599
He's not for checking, he's not, he's barely hitting.
00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.160
You brought up the James Miller stat the other day.
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He's not, he's not.
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None of these guys are playing up to expectation and chasing in the defensive zone or offensive zone.
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You like, am I am I wrong?
00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.680
Am I am I a loose canon right now?
00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.279
Probably, but am I wrong?
00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.799
You're you're not wrong, no.
00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:47.599
It's frustrating as hell, man, because uh I'm gonna use hockey terminology and I can try to explain it to the my best of my ability to for to who don't know the terminology.
00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:49.119
Uh is it a 2-1-2?
00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:51.039
It's a 2-1-2, right?
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It's a the they're they're running a 1-3-1 essentially, which is one guy chases and then the other two forwards are are in their own zone.
00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:14.640
But they need to be running a 2-1-2 where two guys are chasing and then one guy's hanging out in the high slot ready to either take away the pass or scoop up the puck and try to score after you get the puck.
00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.920
You have a team built for a 2-1-2-4-check.
00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:20.000
Why are we being passive?
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And if you're gonna dump the puck, go after it or get off the ice.
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Did I have another point?
00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.400
I can't even remember because I just went down a whole rabbit hole.
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My original question, and you answered part of it, but my what do they need in the in a trade?
00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.160
Because again, a guy that can go score goals.
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Who is our do we have a pure goal scorer on the team right now?
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Just a guy that has goal scoring talent.
00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:55.279
I'm not gonna say Kent Johnson is because Kent Johnson is a pure playmaker who isn't always gonna find the back of the net.
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He's hot right now, and you know, he's a pass first player, usually.
00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.920
But the way things are going, he's scoring a lot, so he's shooting it.
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But that's not always gonna be the case.
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I they need a goal scorer.
00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:23.759
Maybe maybe Fantilly, but it like you look at these teams here, like Dallas has Ranton and Robertson, Colorado's got McKinnon, Nietzsche's, Lekkenen, guys that that frequently put up put up numbers.
00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.319
Um basically, uh even like Calgary, they've got Matt Coronado.
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Like they've got they've got shooters.
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This team doesn't have a shooter, and I I don't know if they're gonna go out and get one.
00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:43.519
Um Pittsburgh said they're not um they're they're open to trading anyone not named Crosby or Kindle.
00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:47.440
There's a guy um locked up to a long term contract, Don Widelly.
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He's not on a long term contract.
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Is it six year?
00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.799
Is it a six year deal for him or is it four year?
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Are you talking about Chinikov?
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Yeah.
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It's a three year deal.
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Is it three years?
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Well, go get him.
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No, I'm kidding.
00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.200
That won't happen.
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I'm just being Just being stupid, but you know, that we could really use a guy like that right now.
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.359
I know he's had a slow start, but he's a pure goal scorer.
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We need it.
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We like uh you know, the there was a guy, he's out long term right now, but Jared McCann in the offseason could have used a guy like that.
00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.480
There's other guys, other pure goal scorers.
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I'm not asking for a Rocket Richard goal scorer that's gonna get 40 goals.
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:30.799
I'm asking for a guy or wanting a guy and needing a guy who no main attribute is goal score.
00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:32.400
There's guys like that.
00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:35.680
There's guys like that that are that are not a premium price.
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Even even in Carolina, like Wadell had Svechnikov.
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Um, and and there were guys that that scored a lot of goals.
00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:50.400
But anyways, the the play, I'm not gonna okay, I'm gonna say one more thing about this, and we can we can move on.
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:59.599
But the the a guy that an example I have of someone that's a goal scorer, that that he scores the goals, doesn't really do much else.
00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:09.039
And I'm not saying we should get him because I I've heard he apparently he was a locker room cancer, and a lot of like guys do not like him apparently.
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It's Jacques Roslovic.
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.440
Jack Roslovic score both scores goals, he scores goals, dude.
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.680
Yeah, he does, he scores goals.
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:20.640
What is what is he then?
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.400
He's not a pure goal scorer.
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:24.400
What okay, what is he then?
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.160
What is Jack Ros Roslovic's archetype?
00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.079
He's like a middle six winger.
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:33.920
He scores goals.
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.519
He is a system plug-in goal scorer.
00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:39.200
Okay, all right, sure.
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:40.640
Whatever, man.
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:46.000
If if if you're calling hit if you're still Roslovik on this team.
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:49.839
No, I did not say I want Roslovik because it we've done it before.
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:50.799
Why try it again?
00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.480
I'm not saying style of play.
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.039
I'm saying get a guy that he has a score, goal scoring touch.
00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:02.799
Um so that's the kind of guys on this team also have goal scoring touches, and they're not put Nechushkin does.
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.720
There's another guy that's out indefinitely right now that also does.
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:07.920
Oh yeah.
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:08.720
Does he?
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.680
Yeah, he hasn't scored in months.
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.960
But he has a a score, a goal scoring touch.
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.720
Like the all these players on this team have scored a lot of goals before.
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:26.799
What is it then?
00:24:27.200 -->
00:24:28.799
Oh, his defensive game.
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.319
His defensive game.
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.440
His defense- dude, he's one of the better defensive metrics.
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:39.119
He's a good defensive forward, but for me, I I don't know.
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:41.680
I I I've I've seen him ripping it a couple of times.
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.160
Like, okay, anyways, we're getting off point.
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:50.079
Um, Sam, so you look at the situation with Varon Cog.
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:52.240
He's gonna be on the second line tomorrow.
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:53.680
Good opportunity.
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.400
If the Blue Jackets, it is a great opportunity.
00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.039
It's a great opportunity regardless of what they want to do with him.
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:06.000
If the plan is still trade him, then okay, you're you're only helping his value, in my opinion, there, because you're giving him the opportunity.
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:13.440
Um if it's if it's the case of they want to see if they can get him going again because they don't want to trade him, that's good too.
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:22.640
Um and so Sam, if they want to trade him, if that's still the plan, then what is a futures deal?
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.640
Because that seems to be the more likely, likely situation here.
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:28.160
What do you think?
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:29.119
I don't know.
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:31.039
Are you saying what would it look like?
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:41.359
I I personally heard I spoke to somebody last week, and this is a person that I I I do trust.
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:56.559
Um but you know, don't don't take any of this as definitive, as definitive stuff, but this this person has been been right in the past, and I was having a nice conversation with him.
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:05.200
Um and he said that that he gets a sense that prices are high right now, uh, and and Varon Kov is probably among those candidates.
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:09.599
Um what what what are the the Jackets asking for, right?
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:30.319
Because I I feel like, and this is all this is such a grass is green statement, but um like I feel like if it was something like, oh, you know, they're out they're looking for a second or like a second and a third or something like that, the deal probably would already be done because Ronkov, he's he's again 47 points two years ago, 23 goals.
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:34.079
That doesn't just happen um every day.
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:43.519
So and he's also like you said, Sam, uh like the way he's built is he's a very, very uh important player when used properly.
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.720
But I again this is just my opinion.
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.839
So I'm I'm uh I'm I'm making sure that I'm clear here.
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:52.880
This is my opinion.
00:26:53.119 --> 00:27:06.240
If I'm Don Waddell, I'm looking for or I'm starting with asking for a pretty hefty offer for him, like maybe a first-round pick, especially if there are teams like Edmonton.
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:12.000
Um if there's teams like Edmonton or Colorado looking for for him, because you have to think.
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:31.359
I this happened years ago, years ago, but this like uh the New York Rangers used to have a defenseman named Nils Loving, and he was struggling there, and Dallas traded their their first, or maybe it was a conditional first for him, uh, like a young player that needed a change of scenery, they traded a first for him.
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:45.279
I could see that happening here where a team that is poised to make a run looks at Foronkov and says, This guy can get us those uh like timely goals in like game six in the playoffs.
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.720
A team won't give that first round pick up until March, though.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:51.359
Like that's if you want to hold out for that.
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:57.119
I don't think he's I don't think a team's gonna give up a first round pick right now in November 9th.
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.079
Is that the day today?
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:02.720
On November 9th, November Well, Minnesota did for Eurychek two years ago.
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:04.240
It's a lot different, though.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.440
That was a guy who was was the the sky was the limit.
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.839
It's a lot different of a scenario.
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:12.880
You know what?
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:22.960
Maybe I am just talking out of out of my ass, but uh I think I mean if Melino got a first round pick, so it's possible, it's just not right now.
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:29.119
I think that's more if you're wanting a first round pick, that probably wouldn't be a return you see.
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:40.160
If it does happen, it would be close or at the deadline, and that's a team that knows what they're looking at the for the month of March and April and knows what they need.
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:41.359
You get what I'm saying?
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:50.559
Yeah, I still think that the best thing they can do here is trade him, like include him in a package to get something like they need a top six forward.
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.200
Garland's injured right now, in case you guys didn't know.
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:54.079
No, he's not.
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.200
No, he's not.
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.039
It's a conspiracy.
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.400
Okay, no, please don't say it's it's a conspiracy.
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:01.839
He's not gonna hear this.
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.799
I don't the Aaron Rodgers dark room.
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.480
I don't want to hear this.
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.480
I don't want to not none of this.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.319
He's going on a religious retreat.
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.240
No, um, no, not religious.
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:21.680
It's it's a it's a
psychedelic spiritual retreat where he's gonna go in a in a dark room for five days and come back a new man.
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.960
You you know that um tangent tangent Mr.
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:26.960
Garrison went on in South Park?
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.359
Okay, that's where he went missing in the woods.
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:30.160
That's Garland.
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:31.920
He's gonna come back better.
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:32.480
Okay.
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:33.839
Anyways, Garlin.
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.279
Give me the tinfoil hat.
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.440
Garland's injured right now.
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:43.119
And um, even with him in the lineup, there's a massive hole in the top six.
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.119
Vronkov could potentially fill it.
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.559
Dude, he hasn't done so yet.
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.240
He hasn't done so yet, but he could.
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:48.720
He could.
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:54.240
Anyways, with with a guy like Fantilly centering him, because it's Nechushkin, Fantilly, and Vronkov.
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.440
That man, that's it Nechushkin?
00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:59.200
Yeah, it is, it is.
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.279
And also, Sam, Sean Monahan, his game is elevated.
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:04.240
Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:12.720
I'm glad you brought that up because I know I've been hard on him, and I guess you can call him my whipping boy thus far in a lot of areas as of lately.
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:19.680
But you know, that goal, and I brought it up to you after it happened, but I don't know why he doesn't do that more often.
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.480
He likes playing the shield the puck game.
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:32.640
That that that that type of game is is suited behind the net in Gretzky's office, and that's exactly where he was to set up Kent Johnson for that goal.
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.720
So I just wish I I don't know why he's not behind the net more.
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.960
And that that was a great play by him.
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.599
He he did all the work and Kent Johnson finished it.
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:50.160
Yeah, and he continues to be a warrior out there, blocked a shot, and you know, he left the game, but he he's gonna be playing against Florida tonight.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:31:00.559
Even even when his offensive game's not there, his you can still rely on him on a defensive zone face-off and to to give you a good chance to win it.
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.400
And you can still rely on him to play, pick up the right guy.
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.039
He doesn't make many defensive mistakes.
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.160
I mean, he was he was like the only guy virtually that was winning face-offs in that Dallas game, man.
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:13.759
We're getting crushed in the dot.
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.559
I think he was the only guy that could win a draw that whole game.
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.240
Yeah, at least it felt like it.
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.559
The last player I do want to talk about is Kent Johnson, once again, man.
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.359
What what an inc just what an incredible player over a point per game now.
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.880
16 points in uh in 15 games.
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.279
Um look at that.
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:38.079
Like, I think he's one of the best uh like shootout players of all time at this point.
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.359
Like he's got a new move almost every time.
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:42.720
It's a top three.
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.240
He's top three.
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.039
He's top top three of all time.
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.759
Given the um that's incredible.
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:51.359
Yeah, just unbelievable.
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.440
Like he he uh Steve Mears said it, he's automatic in the shootout.
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.000
Um like he has three moves now.
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:04.960
That move that I think Mason McTavish, maybe I guess like he used it a year ago or something like that.
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.200
Where like he I don't even know how to describe it.
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.119
How would you even describe his shootout goal?
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.319
Like he just went like went through Otinger.
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.000
He does he or not Ottinger, sorry, DeSmith.
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.160
He does the same method of what he's doing every time.
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.079
It's just a three-read play.
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:28.480
He comes in wide and does like a Mohawk skate move, and then he it's a three-read play.
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:49.759
He could either shoot it right there, or he can drag it, and on the drag, the option is either sneak it five-hole, which seems to be his favorite option this year, and if the five-hole is closed up, he whip pulls it really far to the backhand and and and shoot uh takes it, roofs it, or sometimes he'll even take it back and put it back on the forehand.
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.559
It's it's pretty much the same move every time.
00:32:52.640 --> 00:33:05.680
It's just he makes the goalie that he he has the goal, the goalie has to make a choice of all right, am I gonna stuff my five hole, squeeze my five hole, and then leave the far the the the far side or the short side, the short side open?
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.880
You get what I'm saying, though.
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:18.160
I I I wish I could like I could pull it up on a whiteboard back there and like show my laser pointer, but I can't, so you're just gonna have to envision it with my silky, buttery voice.
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.119
Yeah.
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:26.319
Um and it's it's a dude, it's it's it's it's unstoppable.
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:27.200
It's unstoppable.
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.160
They need they needed this more than ever from him.
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.599
Um,
he's been he's been their best player, I think, this season.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.599
Warinski, Warinski.
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:42.000
I mean, okay, look, that even Warinsky's goal versus Dallas, that was a fantastic shot.
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.480
Um, but that was all Johnson.
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.119
Like, okay, nice comes into the zone, patience.
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.720
Then Johnson is surgical with that pass to Warinski.
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.160
He sees the play, right?
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:56.400
You know who he okay, he's not on his level yet, so let me just clarify that.
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.519
But he really reminds me of Panarin, man.
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:00.559
His patience.
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:01.920
It's his patience.
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:14.639
Yeah, like they they're both like they're very similar, pure purely because like neither of them are like the neither of them are have like blistering speed, but their patience is what makes their game.
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:21.199
They don't rush to make plays, they they see things like five seconds before they even happen.
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:28.559
I and I think he's more like uh I think Panarin was always so precise with his decision making.
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:34.719
Kent Johnson's not as precise, so that's why I look at Kent Johnson as more of a it's growing.
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:41.920
That's why yeah, it's growing, and that's why I I don't see the resemblance yet, but I I see more of a young Duchenne.
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.559
I don't remember someone on Twitter said that, and I've not been able to unsee it since.
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.000
I see more of a younger Duchenne.
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.039
One of his like defining traits was his speed.
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.679
So um anyways.
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:57.440
Ken Johnson's fat.
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:05.599
Like, I mean he's probably he's not slow, but he's I I don't think he he's no like uh like Matthew Barzell.
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.239
He's no Liam Footy, no Miles Wood, he's no Miles Wood.
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.480
Um but yeah, uh it's it's it's amazing to see.
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:26.159
But anyways, guys, uh looking at the the week ahead, got Florida, um, Florida tonight, when you're listening to this, Tampa Thursday, and who is it?
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:28.320
Is it uh who is it?
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.719
Is it uh Philly, Philly on Saturday, right?
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:31.440
Yeah.
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:38.159
Um so again, I mean Tampa, that situation with Kucharoff, it doesn't seem to have affected them much.
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:39.840
They're still a really good team.
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.239
Um uh and Kucharoff is still playing at the top of his game.
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.639
Florida, I mean, we already played them this year.
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:47.440
We know what they bring.
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.920
Florida's I think
I think Florida's lost three of their last four.
00:35:53.039 --> 00:36:03.360
I think they're they're I mean, I think we've done well against teams that have been pissed off this season because Florida did just they had uh they had a rough go.
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.719
I think they even had a players-only meeting after their last game.
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.599
Um, but we've played well against teams that have been struggling.
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.639
Like I remember the Rangers got blown out, and then Vegas got blown out, and we beat both of them.
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:21.599
So the next the next five are I think it's very possible you could take four of the next five.
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:26.320
If you can play Florida well, I'm gonna I'm just gonna go of the next five.
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.039
Uh if you can play Florida well, that's that's one win.
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.079
Tampa, I think that's gonna be our hardest game of our next five.
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.639
Philly, you already proved you can beat them once.
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:40.559
And you know, if you don't let off the gas pedal, you could probably handle them swiftly.
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:41.920
And you got the islanders.
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:47.440
Uh they don't match up against the for some for whatever reason, they haven't been able to beat the number for some reason.
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:48.239
Yeah, I don't get it.
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:49.519
The freaking Islanders.
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.239
They're not they're they're playing similar to us right now in the standings, and then Chicago.
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.679
I mean, what else can you say about that?
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.199
Dumpster over there.
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.280
Listen, I am not putting uh I no game is a guarantee in this game.
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.880
No game is a guarantee, but they lost to Chicago, honestly.
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.840
This team, they they could beat Florida 5-0, and then the next game lose to Chicago.
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.400
Like that's Chicago's number, though.
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.480
They have Chicago's number, though.
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:22.960
Yeah, but anyways, um, you know, Florida, like we saw what happened last game, and I think Talbot's gonna start tomorrow.
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.760
Florida got him moving last time, and they they were able to exploit him.
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:33.840
Um Florida plays, I think they the way they play is the way the Jackets want to play.
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.880
Um, like big, tough, nasty.
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:38.400
I want to see some of that.
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:40.159
I want to see toughness.
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:47.760
I want to see Olivier scrap when it's necessary, not when it's unnecessary.
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:56.320
And and the chat like and the jackets are up 3-0, and then Olivier scraps, and then uh Florida comes back and wins 4-3.
00:37:56.559 -->
00:38:02.639
I don't want to see that, but I think against a team like Florida, you gotta you gotta get on them early.
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.199
Um and you gotta jump them, and you gotta make them nervous.
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:11.360
Um because once they get you, they get you.
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:17.199
And it's very difficult to to I remember like two years ago uh when they were in the playoffs.
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.239
Uh, you know, if anybody watches 2BC production.
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.199
Oh hell yeah, Johnny Superb, baby.
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.559
He had a theory.
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.039
If Florida scores first, it's over.
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:37.519
So because of the way they'll play you afterwards, just uh even more suffocating than Carolina, arguably, when they're on the You know he called the Kucharov situation?
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:38.480
Yeah, he did.
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:38.880
Yeah.
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:40.000
How's it going, boys?
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:41.679
Johnny Superb man here.
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:43.360
God, man.
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.000
I can we just make this a 2BC podcast now.
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:47.119
Get him as the next guest.
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:48.400
Yeah, invite him, invite him.
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.639
But yeah, he he won't show his face.
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:52.400
That's okay.
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.480
We could have like we could have audio only.
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:55.840
Audio only episode.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.840
Oh my god, dude, I love him.
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.639
But anyways, um and then yeah, like you said, Sam with Philly.
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.599
That's uh sorry if you hear my dog barking.
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:17.840
But um yeah, if I mean if if you look at if you look at how how the Jackets played Philly last time, um, like you said, it they they can't underestimate any of these teams, really.
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.000
Uh, and you have to be getting points against the Eastern Conference teams.
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:26.239
Um so Sam uh goal predictions?
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:31.199
Okay Florida gonna keep it simple, Ken Johnson.
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.519
Yeah, the first and last time we played him.
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:35.599
Okay.
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:44.079
Um I'm I'm trying to think of a player that we have that has Florida's number.
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:51.440
Um I mean he scored a hat trick on them like what seven years ago?
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:52.880
Zach Warinski, I guess.
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.920
Yeah, and Bob's and Bob's return game, mind you, on New Year's Eve.
00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.599
Yeah, that was insane.
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.760
I was in Alberta at that time.
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:03.679
I remember that game vividly.
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:15.679
Um and then in the Tampa game, I'm gonna go for um You know what?
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.239
I'm gonna go Steven Lawrence.
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:18.960
Okay.
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:21.679
I'm gonna go.
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.119
I'm gonna go Sean Monaghan.
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.679
I'm gonna give Sean Onahan a shot.
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.360
I'm trying to name some new names.
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.840
And Philly, I'm gonna go Charlie Coyle.
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.440
Trying to do some new names.
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:42.639
Philly.
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.280
I'm trying to think like I'm trying to go for some new names to I can go Cole Sillinger versus Philly.
00:40:51.840 --> 00:41:01.039
Andy, should I give you mine for the week after since I won't I I'm not gonna be in next week's episodes are gonna be a little different.
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.920
Uh Andy's gonna come up with a plan for that.
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.599
I'm gonna be out of town.
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.920
I'm gonna be funny enough in Florida, then a cruise ship, then back in Florida for a little bit.
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.719
And then I'll be back uh the week, I guess.
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.280
Uh the week of the 23rd is when I'll be back.
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.239
So yeah, and we'll have one more episode before that, I think.
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.840
So uh we'll have the episode Wednesday, which you guys will listen to that on Thursday.
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.159
If anything, Sam, you could just you could just do the your predictions then, honestly.
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:31.760
Or you could I could send them in.
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:32.320
I could send them.
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.119
Or you could just do it on uh what's it called?
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:36.400
Um send them to me.
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:37.760
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:39.440
We'll figure it out.
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:40.480
We'll figure it out.
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.760
But watch, you're gonna get it right when you're on the cruise.
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:51.760
So um but yeah, guys, I mean it's uh they're they're seven and eight right now.
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.360
Um it's still trying times with this team, man.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.440
They like they gotta start, they gotta start picking it up consistently.
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:05.280
Like it's it sucks to see because they play so well against these top, top teams.
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:13.679
And I'm not saying Buffalo isn't the good team, but like at least show some fight, show some backbone in those games, push back.
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.960
And I mean, it just didn't feel like it there.
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.800
And it like you said, Sam, this it needs to be a buy-in.
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.840
We can only repeat.
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.480
I literally was literally just getting ready to say that.
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.480
I was literally just getting ready to say that.
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:28.480
We need a buy, a roster buy-in.
00:42:28.800 -->
00:42:32.000
We uh 2016-2017.
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.000
Look at that roster on paper.
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.320
That roster, I think, won 50 games.
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.039
That roster was not good enough to win 50 games and win set 16 in a row.
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.880
They won that many games because they had a full roster buy-in.
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.360
20 uh 2020 2018-19.
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:59.039
They're not beating Tampa Bay with that roster, sweeping the 128 point or how many points they have, I don't remember.
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:05.440
But the the the president's trophy, Tampa Bay Lightning team, without a roster buy-in from John Tortorella.
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:13.599
The next year, they're not making the playoffs from beating uh Toronto in the bubble without a roster buy-in from John Tortorella's system.
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.079
This roster needs to buy into Rick Bonus' system.
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:20.800
They need every person to buy in.
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:25.840
Because if you have guys with half in, half out, it's not gonna work.
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.679
And I think that's what we're seeing right now.
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:32.400
And I I I I'm getting sick of repeating myself with it, but they have to buy in.
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:41.679
Rick bonus needs uh Rick Bonus can't squeeze everything out of this roster, get every ounce of juice out of this roster, if they're not gonna buy in.
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:51.840
Look, the the the way I'll put it, I'll put this is um in order for there to be actual change with this team, these three games this week, all three of them have to be wins.
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:53.519
That's bottom line.
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:59.360
Like if they if they want to show us something, okay, we can do this consistently, then three wins.
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:00.559
You can do it.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.119
You played, you played, you've played really well against great teams so far this season.
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:06.400
You can do it.
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.880
They are more than capable of it.
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.599
They can do it, but is if they don't win these three, are you like, what do you mean?
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:19.199
But like what I mean is obviously they can still turn it around, even if they don't win all three.
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:20.320
That's not what I'm saying.
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:28.639
But if they want to show us that now that they're they're serious, then a good way to do it would be winning all three.
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:29.280
Am I wrong?
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:30.960
No, not absolutely not.
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:31.519
Yeah.
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.840
They can go from seven and eight to ten and eight by the end of the week if they do that.
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.760
And then they're in a much better position.
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.079
Then a bit of the heat's off of them.
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:42.320
Um, they have a little bit more breathing room.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:43.920
Right now, things are still tense.
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.880
Can I can I bring up some one last thing?
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:47.599
Sure.
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.760
And it's Ohio State related.
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.559
People are probably going to stop watching Ohio State.
00:44:53.119 --> 00:45:05.280
Not everyone, but this is a great opportunity for Columbus to not grow their fan base, but get to boost up those viewing rankings, boost up their attendance.
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:15.599
If they can start winning games now, when people are not as engaged with Ohio State football, because uh Andy, I don't think I don't know if you've been watching, but back-to-back stinker weeks.
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:22.559
That Oregon game uh the other the other day, one of the worst Buckeye games I've watched since like since I was in high school.
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:23.280
It was terrible.
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.760
When was the last time they lost two games in a row?
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:26.719
I I've been in the game.
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:27.599
Two in a row last year.
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:34.079
Last year, because they lost Big Ten championship and then they lost uh in the playoffs.
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.760
But the last time they lost back-to-back regular season games, it's been a while.
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.840
It's been I think 2011 or something.
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:54.000
But regardless, uh let's let's Columbus, it's a casual fan base, whether it's the Ohio State basketball team, football team, blue jacket like overall, people grasp towards a winner.
00:45:54.239 --> 00:46:05.679
Ohio State is not that winner right now, and if the blue jackets can can gain those that those that those fans' attention, it could do a lot of a lot of good for the organization.
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:10.719
I I know I'm probably pulling at sticks, but you get what I'm trying to say.
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:14.559
Yeah, this it's now put up or shut up for them.
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.320
I mean, it was at the beginning of the season, it's even more true right now.
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:26.320
Um and you don't need to be an expert on hockey to know that that they they really gotta figure this out.
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:30.159
Um and obviously there's gonna be games.
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.960
Uh this is dragging on, but obviously there there are gonna be games um that you lose.
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.719
You're not gonna win every single game.
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.079
There's gonna be those nights where you didn't get the bounces, I get it.
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.960
But we're talking about the same issues.
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.320
Like with Greaves, you need a save from him.
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.519
Um, they need to respond better to adversity.
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:56.639
Like when those those goals, okay, your goalie doesn't come up with those saves, push back, don't just give up on the game.
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.320
It's like the same things that we're talking about.
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:05.679
Second half of back to back, they look sluggish, they look uh, they don't look engaged, right?
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:11.760
And before anyone says anything, every single team in this league has to deal with back to backs.
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.719
So the blue jackets, they they were okay with them last season.
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.239
So they gotta they gotta turn this around.
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:27.920
Need saves, better for a check, better zone transition, more scoring opportunities.
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.719
Did I say need saves already?
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:32.239
And need saves.
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:38.480
Need saves, did I I can't remember if I said I started with any and fantilly put the puck in the net, please.
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.960
I'm gonna leave it at the five I said just because that will work itself out.
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:43.519
Yeah.
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.280
Need more okay.
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:47.760
Well, that's it, guys.
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:53.280
Um we'll be back at you hopefully with another episode on Thursday.
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:57.599
Um hope you enjoyed this, and uh we'll see you next time.