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So like that's another thing too like say the weird
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thing like you don't know maybe why that popped into
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your head i'm not saying that like anyone is psychic
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or anything like that but like maybe.
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The universe is trying to push you in a certain.
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Direction so.
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Anne-Marie Tapke is in the house.
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Hello.
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Friends, I am so happy. I am so happy Anne-Marie
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is here and I'm so happy for you to meet
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her and for you to just kind of be a
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bug on the wall, if you will, for two ladies
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from the Midwest having a chat about life, liberty, and
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the pursuit of happiness. Just two gals. Just two gals.
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Two gals catching up over their coffee at noon.
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Coffee at noon. Cheers. I love that I added a
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teeny bit extra Midwest accent to my cheers. So Anne-Marie,
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you have quite a story. And I normally start these
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episodes off by kind of reading through a little bit
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more of like a history of your life. And instead
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of doing that, I thought maybe you should tell us.
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So like if you were meeting you for the first time,
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which I know a lot of us know you already
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as our Midwest neighbor friend, you know, but if we
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were meeting you for the first time, how would you
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kind of introduce yourself to people that aren't already aware
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of your awesomeness?
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You're very kind. Thank you. I'm going to do the
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Midwest thing where like, anytime you compliment me, I'm going
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to immediately be like, Oh no, no, no. Um, but yeah,
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that's a great, yeah, no, yeah, no, you're so you're,
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it's too much. Um, Really good question because I meet
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people and sometimes they don't know the lore of how
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I got started. So my current job is that I
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am the chief marketing officer and producer for the Holderness family,
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Penn and Kim Holderness. They're fabulous. I have been working
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with them actually since 2014, which a lot of people
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don't realize. So I've been with them quite a long time.
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Once upon a time before they were the family they
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are now, they had an agency that I worked at.
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They actually kind of stole me away from another agency
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to work for their company. And then they joked that
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they stole me twice when they needed me then for
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their family brand. So they've taken me with them. And
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I feel very, very grateful. I met Penn even before
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that when he was a news anchor. So when I
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worked at that first agency, they would have people come
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on the news because this is such a crazy time.
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They would be like, what's everyone saying on Twitter? Like
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someone had to come and tell you what everyone was
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saying on Twitter. You couldn't just read it yourself apparently.
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So I would, I, there was like, I was maybe
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like eighth in the pecking order for this particular weekend.
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And they were like, do you want to go? Cause
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none of us can go. And I was like, yeah,
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I'll go. And that's when I met Penn and we
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kind of developed a rapport. He was like, I love
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having you on cause you talk fast and I talk
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fast and we can cover a lot of ground. And
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so It was actually him when they decided to branch
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off and do their own thing that he then contacted
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me to be like, let's just have coffee. Let's pick
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your brain. And that turned into a job interview. So
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when people ask me what I do, I do work
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for them full time. I help write things. I help
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manage their business. I also have this other side of me,
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which is kind of my story for my whole life,
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which is I'm the very theatrical person. I've always been
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in the performing arts. And so Um, I would always
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do this crazy Midwest voice, uh, just as a bit, um,
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at work. And one day Kim and I were arguing
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over a snowstorm coming and she's like, it's going to
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get really bad. And I'm like, no, it's not Kim.
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And I was just being very silly about it. She's like,
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that's a video you need to come over. We're going
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to shoot that. So that's how the Midwest neighbor was born.
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I remember that.
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I just talked for a long time.
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This is not a place. This is the place we
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take up space on purpose. So you have, you can,
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you have all the runway you want my love. Um,
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and I remember that video, which is so funny because
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I remember, because of course in the South, cause Kim
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and Penn live in South Carolina, North Carolina.
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We are all in North Carolina. We're in the Raleigh area,
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Raleigh area. Right. I'm originally from Michigan. I'm a Michigan gal,
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but yeah. Right.
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Okay. So, and that's where, is that where your Midwest
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influence comes from is, is being a Michigan girl.
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It does. I grew up in Michigan, but only till
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I was like right before kindergarten. And then I moved
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around a lot as an elementary school kid. I lived
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in Southern Illinois. I lived in West Texas for.
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And I think being exposed to different areas of the country,
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I kind of like learned that there were accents and dialects.
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And so I didn't really understand it when I moved
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back for middle school and high school college years. But
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definitely when I moved down to North Carolina, I could
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hear it. Like when I would go back to visit
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my family, I could hear it. And that's kind of
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where that was born. Although if you ask my cousin,
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I have a very, very big Catholic family. And my
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cousin and I went to the same college. So when
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I started doing that voice, he was like, oh, I'm
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so glad that voice finally got a home. And I'm like,
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what are you talking about? And he was like, Amory,
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you've been doing that bit for like a long time,
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like at parties and stuff. So I don't know. I
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went to college in mid-Michigan and it attracted a lot
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of Wisconsinites, people from the UP. And I think maybe
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I just picked it up just along the way, along
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the journey.
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Well, it's funny because you nail it, first of all.
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You do nail it because the people in the Raleigh
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area versus the people where I'm from in Milwaukee would
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prepare for a snowstorm very differently. And it's almost like...
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So I thought you nailed it and I... based on
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just not knowing as much of your lore as I
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thought I did, I would have thought that you were
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like born and raised in the Midwest. So you are
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a very talented, like you said, theatrical person. And I
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love it. And I'm wondering though, as a theatrical person
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and as somebody that, you know, that friend that said like,
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or cousin that said like, well, I'm glad this finally
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found a home. Did people... call you too much? Like
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where you like felt like treated like you were like
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all these big feelings, what are you doing? Like tone
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it down. Did that, was that part of your journey?
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A thousand and 1%. That is, oh, I still feel
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like I'm too much as an adult. I have to
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remind myself to like pause, listen, like, don't be too goofy.
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And I'm like a mom in her 40s. And that
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is crazy to me that I do feel very comfortable
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in my own skin. Let me get that point clear.
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But I do feel like sometimes, especially in new situations,
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I have to kind of, you know, don't let's not
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weird them out. Not everyone wants to be weirded in,
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you know what I mean? So like I, yeah, I,
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I always felt that way growing up. Um, I was
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never like a popular kid, but I was never unpopular.
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I was kind of fringy. I was a very fringy
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person that would float around to different groups. I mean, I,
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and that's kind of my personality now. I like different things.
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I have different pockets of people for different interests that
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I have. Um, but yeah, yeah. I, I always probably
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felt like I was taking up a lot of space.
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And I was a little bit of a goofball and
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still am.
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Well, I was going to say, it's a strength though.
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Like I think of it as something that you, you know,
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you have kind of turned it into a superpower by
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leaning in and having it become part of what you do,
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which is really cool for people that do have that,
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you know, they are told they're too much. And, you know,
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I think there's a certain blessing and just leaning in
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and deciding, you know what, this is who I am.
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And that's okay if people see me as too much,
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because this is what I've turned into what I do
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for a living. And that's really, honestly, that's a cool
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transition point to me to be able to kind of
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convert something that maybe people might see or perceive as like, oh,
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she says too many things and she uses too many
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words and she thinks everything is a joke. And it's like, well, yes, and...
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you help people feel seen because people can relate on
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a very human level to, to, to being all of
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those things. So my question, and you kind of alluded
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to it a little bit, and I'm just curious about
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it because you said, you know, you're a mom and you,
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you work through these things. So when you, people recognize
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you as like the holderness, the gal behind the holderness family,
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like the creative genius behind the holderness family, people recognize
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you as the Midwest neighbor. But they may not even
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really realize who is Anne-Marie when you strip all those
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things away. Who is Anne-Marie? Talk us through that.
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That's a really good question. I ask myself every day. No.
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I think I'm a multifaceted person. If I could just
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rewind the tape a little bit. Not in your edit,
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just in this discussion, I've always had two sides of
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the of my brain that I like to exercise. So
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when I graduated high school, I really wanted to be
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a theater major. I did a lot of musical theater.
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It was, like I said, it was very theatrical. I
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always loved making people laugh for like the homecoming sketches.
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And so I was always in them. I was wearing,
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I would dress up as whoever you wanted. I would
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do bits from Saturday Night Live. I would do like
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all these goofy, silly things. Um, but I do feel like, um,
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I'm also like a pretty deep thinker. Like I can
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kind of get lost in my own thoughts. I do
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surprisingly really enjoy like analytics and numbers and I I
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get into that as well my parents this is going
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to make them sound like they're not supportive they're extremely
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supportive but my parents were like listen you can always
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do theater in your life you need to make sure
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that you have something that you do after high school
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that you can make money at like and and theater
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can always be a thing you do and it can
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be whatever like the the you can basically pursue it
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at whatever level you want, but we want to make
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sure that you get something you can fall back on.
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So they encouraged me to go into business or I,
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we kind of like work together and marketing seemed really
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interesting to me because again, I was that kid that
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could always remember all the jingles on TV and all
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the commercials and like, and I, and I would, you know,
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come up with silly things. Like I, with my sister
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and I, we would pretend to like do infomercials and stuff.
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So I thought that was interesting. And that's really how
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I've carried my whole life. When I really stop and
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think about it is I have this business side that
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I do with pen and cam and I love it.
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I really, really love my job. I do a lot
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of work behind the scenes that I really enjoy, but
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I get to also do this other side thing where
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I play this really goofy character. Now, is that confusing
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to people on LinkedIn?
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Yes.
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And I wrestle with that sometimes too, where it's like,
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I'm trying to be super professional business lady, but now
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I'm doing a crazy voice. But I guess that is
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just me. That's just who I am. And I don't
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think people maybe get worried about, oh, like you said earlier,
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am I too much? Should I even project this side
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of myself? I think you should because people are really interesting.
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Like there's a lot of different layers. Everyone's an onion.
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And I think it's fun to peel back the layers.
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Nice Shrek reference. Everyone is an onion. Indeed.
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Everyone's an onion.
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It is so fun to peel back the layers. Um,
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I got layers. I just hear donkey's voice as, as
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all it's, it's like a, it's, it's, it's in my
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head and it won't leave. Um, but you know, but
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you have spent years like behind the camera. So creating
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and producing and strategizing and helping other people shine. So
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what is it required of you to believe that you
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belong in front of it too?
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Um, I think I still even go through spurts where
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I'm like, I'm not really feeling it right now. So
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the Midwest Neighbor thing took off. I'm very happy it did.
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of between the college stuff. I was still doing a
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lot of musical theater when I graduated college and went
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to my first job.
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I really hated it.
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improv comedy. I had a team for a long time
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I was on. I've tried standup comedy. So like, I've
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always had something going on kind of over here that
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like fulfills my creative and performing arts need that I
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always have. Or I've like helped teach or something. Like
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I've always had something over there. But yeah,
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when I just don't feel that into it. I think
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that's okay. It comes, there's a lot to put yourself
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out there. It's a lot to put yourself out there.
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be really lonely, especially if you're a team oriented person.
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for me to self motivate to get stuff done on
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my own. But yeah, the Midwest Neighbor, like I said,
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it took off. It's been really fun to do. And
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it's spun off into me being able to do bits
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with other creators. I've done stuff with the Ubecha channel,
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with Charlie Barron's, with Lauren Midwest. I've done some stuff
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with some really fun creators. And that's opened a really
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cool door for me. Um, but yeah, I mean, sometimes
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I have to remind myself and not get so stuck
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in my own head of like, it's just like, I
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keep repeating myself, but it is very vulnerable to put
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yourself out there. And sometimes it's okay if you don't
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feel like it. I don't know. I don't know if
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that's a good answer, but it is like, it's a
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constant thing. I think that anyone who is, has any
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sort of public, I use that air quotes, um, Cause
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it doesn't have to be doing crazy videos. You could
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be doing anything, but when you're putting yourself out there,
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there is a vulnerability to it.
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that's a, that's a part that's a, it's important part
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of it because we, okay. We love Charlie Barron's hello.
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cool opportunity to meet Charlie. I don't know if he's,
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if he would remember, but we met at a, at a,
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it was called, it's called small pie in Bayview, Wisconsin.
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we had a chat and this was kind of legitimately
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before things really exploded for him. So it was really
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just cool to see him outside of the Charlie Barron's
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character and just being himself and goofy. And it was,
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that was really funny, but I want to know, cause
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humor is a huge part of everything we're working through
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and talking about. So what can humor do for us?
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Like how does humor work for us? in a way
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that seriousness and thoughtfulness can't.
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I think it gets people through hard times. I think
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it defuses and deescalates situations. I can't tell you how
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many times like my husband and I will be like,
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not really having a argument, but more like a disagreement.
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it's not that serious. It's fine. The temperature gets taken down.
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I think humor is a really underrated tool, even in like,
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the business world that makes everyone feel at ease. Um,
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I wish that it, and, and it doesn't have to
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be mean. I think that's the biggest thing is like
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people think of like humor and making a joke at
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someone else's expense. I don't see comedy and humor that way.
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I love making myself the butt of the joke, um,
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to deescalate something or just, you know, really like sitting
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with someone in the situation and be like, this sucks.
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joke of that. I think that's really helpful. I don't
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something about being Midwestern, too. I feel like whenever there
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is tragedy and or like someone passes or something, I
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do feel like people find a way to laugh and
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to remember and to bring up stories. And and and
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humor is a huge part of that. I think it's
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what helps us cope and connect us in times of
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struggle and in times of joy. So I think humor
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is such such an amazing tool.
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I don't even know what the, what the analytics are,
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but the, the millions of people that are touched and
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reached by, it's funny you said 2014, was that Christmas
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jammies time? Like, was that around? Cause I can't remember exactly,
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but was that Christmas jammies?
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I just had my first daughter and I remember I
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was like, it was, I was in the throes of
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brand new motherhood where you're just kind of locked onto
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the couch. Cause you're like nursing them and you're just like,
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you're just doing everything for them. And I literally like
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my jaw hit the floor because Penn, who I just
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done stuff on the news with, was dancing on my television.
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sending him a note being like, I know you're getting
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a million messages, but like, this is so fun. This
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is so funny. And I didn't hear from them to
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have that meeting until like two or three months later,
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just because they were so inundated with so much stuff.
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was right after that that I started working with Penn
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and Kim.
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went crazy. Sorry to interrupt you, but it went crazy. No,
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you're fine. We need help. So continue with the story.
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They're like, what do we do?
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And, you know, buttoned up business Anne-Marie. I was like,
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I'm here. We got that hat.
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We got that hat. We got the Midwest Neighbor hat.
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We got the mama hat. We got all the hats.
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But the, but the idea of reaching millions of people
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on the internet in a time when it's gotten harder,
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I feel like in the last 10 years to get
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that kind of reach, what do you think is most
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important for people who are creating content to understand about
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the realness behind the numbers? Like, I think a lot
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of people get stuck there and they're like, well, you know,
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my podcast only had 83 views last week. And that's like, oh,
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but what, What has seeing those kinds of numbers taught
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you about what really matters behind all the numbers?
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These are really good questions. And I can think of
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like three ways to answer this. Just one is, you know, viral,
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things going viral is a very subjective word. So back
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10 years ago, something going viral, I feel like really
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meant something that was like literally everyone and their mom
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is seeing it. That's a Christmas jammy situation. But going
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viral now, there's so many little niche pockets of interests
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and people and like, so you could go viral. Let's
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say you have a gardening channel, like maybe 50,000 views
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for you. That is viral. Like it does not have
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to be millions and millions of views. Also, be careful
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what you wish for. Anything that we've had go really,
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really crazy off the rails is I mean, you're attracting
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now people who aren't necessarily they they're getting served your
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content that they don't necessarily want to see your content.
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humor to defuse situations. Sometimes we would joke like, oh,
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we're growing. All the haters are here. We're getting new people, guys.
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to deal with, like sometimes very mean and rude comments
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that people make. I don't, I believe if you were
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to meet this person in real life, they would not
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say that to you, but they're hiding behind a keyboard.
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just because I'm a big fan of his. And I
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recently listened to an interview that he had talked about
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the tale of two videos. So he had one video
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that was very flippant that kind of went viral on
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accident and he wasn't super like, it got so much
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engagement and he was like, it's a 10 out of
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10 video. I should be thrilled. And he's like, but
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I'm really excited about the one out of 10 video
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over here that reached this like really selective audience that
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like got a really positive message across where this one
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was kind of interpreted a little bit more negative. So like,
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I think your goals don't have to be that you're
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getting a million views.
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I also, I don't follow her count, like to me
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doesn't super matter anymore. It's great to have, it's great
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to see that number go up. If you are in
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a position where you're trying to work with brands, that's
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a really great like point to like something to point to,
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to say I have this many people. But the reality
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is such a small percentage of that number gets served
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your content. It's almost just like you just have to
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look at piece by piece.
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Yeah. That's what I've encountered, at least with In the
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last few months, I don't know if you've seen any
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of my videos in the last few months, but in
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the last few months, I've gone viral a few times
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for my emo rollercoaster gal videos. And these videos are faceless.
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It's a POV. I'm wearing my meta glasses, safely taping
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my POV on rollercoasters. I try to always be in
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the front row, which my kids get annoyed with because
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they're like, mom, we have to wait longer for the
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front row. But I wait for the front row.
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I know. You're like, I'm working. They're like, okay. These
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are conversations I have with my kids all the time. Totally.
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It's for the work, guys. But also for fun because
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it is better in the front row, by the way.
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But anyway, so these videos are going crazy. And what
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I appreciate is that my follower count is modest. And
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the people that are finding my content as of right
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now are are the people that should be finding my content.
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happens when you have something viral is usually you're reaching
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people beyond your scope. And that's when those haters and
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trolls and all the, all the bad things can happen
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so far. Fortunately for me, knock on wood, literally, cause I'm,
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I worry that the people have been so sweet and
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so kind and so perfect. They, the algorithm is doing
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its thing in helping them find the things that they're
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looking for, which is, strangely and awkwardly and terrifyingly me,
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they want more me. And I, I'm, I'm down for it.
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I'm ready. I'm like, let's go.
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Are you guys sure?
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I know, but that like, you know, there's the thing like,
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cause I, you know, I, I, I too, and I've been,
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I've been, I've been working through a lot of feeling
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like I'm too much or, you know, I use too
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many words to say something or I laugh or giggle
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when I'm uncomfortable. And maybe that's not the most professional
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thing to be doing. And, you know, just, there's just
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these different edits that I've been making over the course
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of time. And some of it happened through corporate America,
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which I'm I don't know what the word is going
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to be. I was going to try to be politically correct,
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but like, I'm okay that I'm not in part of,
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I'm not part of corporate America anymore because corporate America
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and I just don't, don't drive. I'm, I'm, I am
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too much, I think for corporate America in general. So,
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and I can, I can admit that, but the, the
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virality of things really, when you strip it away, the
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cool part to me has been the connection that can happen.
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Like the actual real connection that can happen on the
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internet with real humans is who are not those keyboard warriors.
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And of course the keyboard warriors exist and we, you know,
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they have their place in, in the story. Like you said, like,
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Oh look, we made it. We, we got some hate,
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you know, but it's so nice to have it be
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this connective thing. And that's actually like something that I
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think
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this underlying theme of like adult friendship. And that can
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be hard for people like adult making friends as a grownup.
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is so fun.
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I love it.
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Like I love make, I literally make a friend every,
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I was at Six Flags Great America last night. And
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would you believe I made friends with the two guys
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that were waiting in line with me. And then they
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ended up waiting in line with me at a different ride.
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I love making friends, but I know that it's not
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easy for everybody. I know that it fills my cup
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and makes me happy and has, it's like a joy
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creator for me. So I want everybody to be able
477
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to make friends as an adult. So based on what
478
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I know about you and your content and how you
479
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also are a believer in adult friendship, what do you
480
00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.609
think we misunderstand that we could do better as like
481
00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:06.730
we're trying to make more friends as grownups?
482
00:24:08.130 --> 00:24:10.950
Yeah. I mean, the easy default thing is like you
483
00:24:10.970 --> 00:24:15.430
just kind of like kind of suss out like your kids, friends, parents.
484
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.059
You're like, are you cool? Are you cool? Are we friends?
485
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:20.099
That's like the lowest hanging fruit.
486
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.680
Um, but we love that.
487
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.519
We do. No, no, no. Like I've actually met some
488
00:24:25.539 --> 00:24:28.279
really amazing people through my kids' friends, but I, um,
489
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I think as an adult and making new friendships, I've
490
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:35.380
really tried to, um, surround myself with people who like,
491
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I feel good when I'm around them. Um, and I,
492
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and I make them hopefully feel good too. I try
493
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to make them laugh and, and feel, you know, like
494
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I appreciate their, their time. And, um, I really like
495
00:24:45.589 --> 00:24:48.019
spending time with them. So sometimes that means that your
496
00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:51.059
friend circle is not huge. And I think that's okay.
497
00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:54.930
I've also put myself out there in different situations, different
498
00:24:54.990 --> 00:24:59.349
interests that
I have. Doing stand-up comedy, I did it
499
00:24:59.390 --> 00:25:01.170
for about three years. I'm on a little break right now.
500
00:25:01.829 --> 00:25:04.930
But I've met so many amazing people through that that
501
00:25:04.970 --> 00:25:07.670
I never would have met that aren't even necessarily like
502
00:25:07.809 --> 00:25:10.650
fellow moms or even my age. But now they are
503
00:25:10.710 --> 00:25:14.029
my friends. And I do like they just they kind
504
00:25:14.069 --> 00:25:15.890
of know me. They know a different version of me.
505
00:25:16.250 --> 00:25:18.650
And I like that. Like I like that we can
506
00:25:18.690 --> 00:25:21.920
talk about stuff that's not always. kids or work or like,
507
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.099
you know, and they just make me laugh for funny people.
508
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.670
And I think you can find that anywhere. Like if
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you have something that really interests you, like just trying
510
00:25:30.230 --> 00:25:32.730
to make that connection with people and like put yourself
511
00:25:32.789 --> 00:25:34.950
out there, be like, do you ever want to grab coffee?
512
00:25:34.970 --> 00:25:36.779
You're so fun. I had someone do this to me
513
00:25:36.819 --> 00:25:38.460
recently and I was so blown away. And I like,
514
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.579
I loved it. We met kind of just by happenstance.
515
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.680
We were both like kind of like fringe friends of
516
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the friends that were together. And we just ended up
517
00:25:46.509 --> 00:25:48.549
talking so much. And she was like, what are you
518
00:25:48.589 --> 00:25:50.410
doing next week? Do you want to grab coffee? And
519
00:25:50.430 --> 00:25:53.930
I was like, yes. And I think in any other world,
520
00:25:53.970 --> 00:25:56.349
we both would have just been like, okay, so nice
521
00:25:56.390 --> 00:25:58.369
to meet you. But we did, we met for coffee
522
00:25:58.390 --> 00:25:59.890
and we're going to meet up again. And we're not
523
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like everyday texting friends, but I love that making new
524
00:26:04.029 --> 00:26:07.369
connections of someone that I just happened to cross paths
525
00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:10.650
with that we enjoyed each other's company. So I would
526
00:26:10.670 --> 00:26:12.990
say like putting yourself out there and And being like
527
00:26:13.130 --> 00:26:16.230
having a small circle is that's okay. It's okay.
528
00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:16.390
Yeah.
529
00:26:18.029 --> 00:26:20.549
Well, and when you have a small circle, you're more
530
00:26:20.589 --> 00:26:25.519
likely to have relationships of impact and relationships that matter. And,
531
00:26:25.630 --> 00:26:28.240
you know, looking at your relationship with Penn, for example,
532
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:29.839
like I don't want to lead the witness here with
533
00:26:29.859 --> 00:26:32.539
this question because it's not like, it's
not, it's not
534
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:37.240
that deep, but there's something there about opportunities and relationships
535
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.319
and how you, you know, they kind of feed each
536
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:44.559
other both ways and, And I'm, I'm curious. And again, I, I,
537
00:26:44.619 --> 00:26:46.880
I may have already answered the question, but who is
538
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:50.640
somebody that saw something in you before you could see.
539
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:55.779
It in you? Yeah, I could even go back before, um,
540
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.940
like the whole, you know, Penn and Kim, um, my
541
00:26:59.980 --> 00:27:02.940
first job, I really didn't like, it didn't super end well.
542
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:04.539
And I was out of work for a while and
543
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.839
I felt really low, like to have a college degree
544
00:27:06.859 --> 00:27:09.470
and and then to get fired from your first job.
545
00:27:10.549 --> 00:27:12.349
And you thought you were doing a good job. And
546
00:27:12.750 --> 00:27:16.680
I am, I pride myself, I'm a good worker. But
547
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:18.339
it just was not the job for me. And I
548
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.220
think that's okay. But I didn't think it was okay
549
00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:22.660
at the time. So I was like waiting tables and sad.
550
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:25.670
And I was learning about social media because it interests me.
551
00:27:26.829 --> 00:27:30.039
And I was interviewing like crazy. And I I'm so
552
00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:33.400
lucky because my like unemployment checks were literally going, it
553
00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:35.329
was like on my last week when I got my
554
00:27:35.589 --> 00:27:37.730
job that ended up, I think really led me to
555
00:27:37.750 --> 00:27:41.769
where I work now. But I just remember like throwing
556
00:27:41.789 --> 00:27:43.529
it all on the table. Like I was having really
557
00:27:43.549 --> 00:27:45.970
good interviews. I kept getting called back and they were like, yeah,
558
00:27:45.990 --> 00:27:47.390
you just don't have like a lot of experience in
559
00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:51.410
this thing. And I was like, okay. I was like,
560
00:27:52.930 --> 00:27:55.079
at the risk of sounding like a cheesy Disney movie,
561
00:27:55.890 --> 00:27:58.200
I promise if you give me a chance, I will
562
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:02.250
not let you down. And the owner of the company
563
00:28:02.269 --> 00:28:04.450
who had sat with me on that interview gave me
564
00:28:04.490 --> 00:28:06.289
a chance. And I like to think that I didn't
565
00:28:06.309 --> 00:28:09.190
let him down. And I really learned a lot at
566
00:28:09.230 --> 00:28:12.430
that job. He did say like the weirdest part about
567
00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:14.529
me saying that was one of the clients they were
568
00:28:14.549 --> 00:28:17.339
pitching at the time was Disney Interactive. So he was like.
569
00:28:18.140 --> 00:28:20.009
it's kind of weird that you said that. And it
570
00:28:20.029 --> 00:28:22.390
always sat with me. So like, that's another thing too.
571
00:28:22.430 --> 00:28:25.650
Like say the weird thing. Like you don't know maybe
572
00:28:25.730 --> 00:28:27.529
why that popped into your head. I'm not saying that
573
00:28:27.569 --> 00:28:31.000
like anyone is psychic or anything like that, but like maybe.
574
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.119
The universe is trying to push you in a certain direction.
575
00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:37.839
So I, I would say that he saw something in
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00:28:37.900 --> 00:28:41.950
me that I really, was at least saying I could do.
577
00:28:42.009 --> 00:28:44.569
I probably did believe it deep down, but, um, you know,
578
00:28:44.589 --> 00:28:47.130
I was like thrilled when I, when I got that job. Um,
579
00:28:47.470 --> 00:28:49.359
and I feel really grateful for that.
580
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.259
You're speaking my language when you said the universe is
581
00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:58.460
pushing you in a direction. I absolutely believe. And I,
582
00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:01.579
and I, and I, I, I step back and say, okay,
583
00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:03.609
I have a friend who taught me this thing that
584
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.849
I need to share, which is Gus, which is God
585
00:29:06.369 --> 00:29:10.859
universe source spirit. And I am super faith-based. I am
586
00:29:10.940 --> 00:29:13.500
big into my faith. My viewers and listeners know this.
587
00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:16.319
And I recognize and respect that I want this to
588
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.359
be a safe place for everybody. So you said the
589
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.380
universe is sometimes nudging you. And that to me, when
590
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:27.279
you said that about Disney, 100% was Gus's work, right?
591
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:28.960
Like that was like Gus at work.
592
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.960
That was a God wink. Like that's a God wink.
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00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:33.210
My best friend and I always say that. We always
594
00:29:33.269 --> 00:29:37.000
like when something happens, we're like, that was a God wink. Yes.
595
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:37.539
Look around.
596
00:29:37.900 --> 00:29:40.299
A God wink. For sure. Tell me about more of
597
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.579
that in your life. Where else has that shown up
598
00:29:42.619 --> 00:29:42.940
for you?
599
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.779
Oh my gosh.
600
00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:47.319
In big ways. Like, I mean, obviously sometimes it's not
601
00:29:47.380 --> 00:29:49.359
a big way, which, and sometimes those little ways are
602
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.930
the coolest ones, but tell me where else these God
603
00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:53.930
winks have happened for you.
604
00:29:55.190 --> 00:29:56.960
Oh my gosh. Yeah. I feel like you're going to
605
00:29:56.980 --> 00:29:59.599
have to edit my long, long pause while I'm thinking
606
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00:30:02.049
of what I'm going to come up with.
607
00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:03.589
What profound thing am.
608
00:30:03.730 --> 00:30:06.509
I going to say? Actually, you know, what's funny is
609
00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.349
that I don't edit these that much, but because it's
610
00:30:09.390 --> 00:30:11.710
like real, you're a human being and you deserve to
611
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.279
think for a second on these questions, which I do
612
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.299
put a lot of thought, time and energy into. So
613
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.779
it's okay to think for a minute. I've given you
614
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a minute.
615
00:30:20.829 --> 00:30:22.769
Are we there? You've given me a minute. You've given
616
00:30:22.809 --> 00:30:24.470
me a minute. I talked us through it.
617
00:30:24.569 --> 00:30:26.839
I don't know if my talking helped or hurt the situation.
618
00:30:26.859 --> 00:30:27.740
No, I'm joking.
619
00:30:28.420 --> 00:30:28.759
I'm joking.
620
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.799
Maybe like, okay, when my husband and I started dating
621
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.420
each other, we realized after comparing notes that we had
622
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:39.789
actually been in the same room like half a dozen
623
00:30:39.829 --> 00:30:43.109
times before. Like we literally had been like, wait, I
624
00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:45.009
was there. No, I was there. I was with these people.
625
00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:46.890
I was with these people. Wait, they know each other.
626
00:30:47.630 --> 00:30:49.569
So we were like, oh my gosh, have we met?
627
00:30:50.049 --> 00:30:54.289
like a half a dozen times before now. So that's,
628
00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:57.049
I mean, that's a God wink. That was like, the
629
00:30:57.069 --> 00:30:59.690
universe was real annoying with us. They were like, get together.
630
00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:04.470
Would you stop? Like, just listen already. And I do
631
00:31:04.490 --> 00:31:07.670
wonder that sometimes, like we talk about universe, God wink, whatever,
632
00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:10.170
whoever is holding the gavel, like wants to just like
633
00:31:10.230 --> 00:31:12.650
beat us sometimes, like you're missing the point guys.
634
00:31:14.289 --> 00:31:15.990
But there's not getting the point here.
635
00:31:17.789 --> 00:31:20.710
But there's your husband. And that's so cool. How long
636
00:31:20.730 --> 00:31:21.329
have you been married?
637
00:31:23.349 --> 00:31:26.210
We have been married. We got married in 2010. So
638
00:31:26.289 --> 00:31:27.289
we've been married 16 years.
639
00:31:27.930 --> 00:31:33.210
Congratulations. That's not a small thing in this era of life.
640
00:31:33.809 --> 00:31:35.890
And you know then that you have to like fall
641
00:31:35.930 --> 00:31:39.029
back in love and like work hard. And it's not
642
00:31:39.069 --> 00:31:42.069
always an easy road. And my husband has been my rock.
643
00:31:42.369 --> 00:31:46.099
And like we've been together forever. goodness. I don't, I
644
00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:48.220
don't do the math, but more than 20 years, I
645
00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:50.980
was kind of a baby when we met, but we
646
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.900
have fallen, you know, out and in of love in
647
00:31:54.029 --> 00:31:56.730
love a few times. And it's just totally this normal
648
00:31:56.769 --> 00:31:59.089
thing that has to happen. But I love how you
649
00:31:59.130 --> 00:32:01.250
lit up when you talked about your husband and I
650
00:32:01.269 --> 00:32:04.309
know you have kiddos. What has being like a mama
651
00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:07.339
and a wife taught you about who you are?
652
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.980
I think it's really put into perspective, like what's important
653
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.819
in my life. like they are like my family is
654
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.380
the most important. And I really look at a lot
655
00:32:17.420 --> 00:32:20.859
of decisions I make professionally or personally, like how does
656
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.740
that impact the family? Because they are, they are the
657
00:32:24.859 --> 00:32:29.420
most important people in my life. And I mean, I
658
00:32:29.779 --> 00:32:32.759
think it's made me having three kids. Like I always
659
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.180
tell people, like if you're debating, if you have two
660
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.380
and you're debating a third, just do it. You know
661
00:32:37.420 --> 00:32:40.279
why I've been, I became such a more chill parent
662
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:44.019
when I had three. Cause I'm like, well, everything's crazy now.
663
00:32:44.299 --> 00:32:47.269
I felt like when I had two, I was a
664
00:32:47.269 --> 00:32:49.490
little more like, okay, it's got to be like this
665
00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:52.170
and this. And then something about that third kid, you're
666
00:32:52.210 --> 00:32:55.390
just like, I don't know. If not everyone's smiling for
667
00:32:55.410 --> 00:32:59.339
the picture, it's fine. The Christmas card's going out. Something
668
00:32:59.390 --> 00:33:04.059
about it, it's just totally chill. So yeah, it's taught
669
00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:08.000
me a lot. I feel really blessed, even though I've
670
00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:11.259
always had aspirations of like, wanting to do, you know,
671
00:33:11.619 --> 00:33:14.400
big things with my life. Having a family has always been,
672
00:33:14.420 --> 00:33:17.500
I think, the most paramount thing. So I feel really,
673
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.779
really fortunate to have my husband, have my three kids.
674
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:21.880
They're all wonderful.
675
00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:24.940
I love that. And they've all made you who you
676
00:33:25.059 --> 00:33:28.039
are in ways that we all appreciate and love in
677
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.319
content form and elsewhere on the internet.
678
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.720
So kids are so funny.
679
00:33:33.259 --> 00:33:33.559
Yes.
680
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:38.549
Like sit down and like pick their brain. Kids are hilarious. Um,
681
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.160
my comedian friends who don't have kids, they're like, oh,
682
00:33:41.170 --> 00:33:44.130
you have so much material. So mad. You said, talk
683
00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:45.950
to your kids for five minutes and you have a bit,
684
00:33:46.450 --> 00:33:48.529
but like it, not even, it's not even that. It's
685
00:33:48.569 --> 00:33:50.630
just that like, they say the funniest things. I feel
686
00:33:50.650 --> 00:33:53.150
like I can't write them down fast enough. My middle daughter,
687
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:54.799
she told me at, she was at dinner the other day.
688
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.299
We almost like snorted out our waters. Um, then she
689
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.900
said this, she goes, guys, I always thought an inside
690
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.990
joke was a joke. You could tell inside. She literally thought, like,
691
00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:10.750
inside joke meant, like, you don't tell it outside. And
692
00:34:11.349 --> 00:34:13.360
we're like, oh, my God.
693
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:16.699
That's a bit.
694
00:34:16.780 --> 00:34:19.780
It's not that funny, guys. But, like, that was so.
695
00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:23.320
We were tickled. We were so tickled. And my youngest son,
696
00:34:23.380 --> 00:34:26.079
he's learning, like, what a figurative speech is. So, like,
697
00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:28.420
we'll be like, don't have a cow. And he'll be like,
698
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:33.659
that would hurt. And we're like, yes, figurative speech. Like, we, like, it's.
699
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:38.030
Kids are so hilarious. They're just really funny.
700
00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:41.420
And they're getting older, darn it. How old are they?
701
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:48.179
I have a middle schooler, older elementary, and middle elementary.
702
00:34:48.219 --> 00:34:49.119
So yeah, they're getting older.
703
00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:53.019
I hate that part because our roles change a little
704
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.840
bit and the relationship changes a little bit and the
705
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.659
jokes will change a little bit. And as a middle
706
00:34:58.699 --> 00:35:04.280
school mama, my boys are 11 and 12 and they're,
707
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.010
they're boys who are 11 and 12. So it's a
708
00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:10.510
lot of six, seven. It's a lot of six, seven.
709
00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:14.809
And it's, it's just, it's just, yes. And it's just, um,
710
00:35:15.369 --> 00:35:17.190
it's less, it's a lot of things that are less
711
00:35:17.250 --> 00:35:19.510
funny than, than they used to be a little bit.
712
00:35:19.550 --> 00:35:22.570
But as some of that changes, I feel like I
713
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obviously evolve and change too, like as their mom and
714
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.510
as their parent, And I'm wondering, like, what are you
715
00:35:28.550 --> 00:35:32.130
finding out about yourself right now, like, in this season
716
00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:34.630
of who you are and who you are as a
717
00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:38.349
mom and a, you know, a creative person? What are
718
00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:40.650
you finding and learning about yourself now that you didn't
719
00:35:40.690 --> 00:35:42.469
know maybe 10 years ago or when you kind of
720
00:35:42.570 --> 00:35:45.139
got started with, you know, Penn and.
721
00:35:46.539 --> 00:35:46.800
Kim?
722
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.460
Yeah. Like, what I'm learning about myself as a mom
723
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:56.449
definitely is– like everyone's doing their best. Um, even, even
724
00:35:56.510 --> 00:35:58.369
I'm doing my best. There's days where I am not
725
00:35:58.409 --> 00:36:01.369
killing it, you guys. And I think that's, again, you can,
726
00:36:01.449 --> 00:36:04.050
people can talk about that. Like Instagram, social media, it's
727
00:36:04.070 --> 00:36:07.949
a highlight reel. It's not real life. Um, but it's, it's,
728
00:36:08.510 --> 00:36:10.929
I always try to make sure I'm just treating my
729
00:36:10.949 --> 00:36:13.719
kids like they're like, they're, they're people. I know they're children,
730
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.400
but like they're, they're real people with feelings and dreams
731
00:36:17.460 --> 00:36:20.050
and desires. And I always try to like remind myself
732
00:36:20.139 --> 00:36:22.760
of that. Um, and so I don't always, I just
733
00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:24.519
try to do my best to not so much a
734
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:26.480
dental parent them, but like really understand where they're coming
735
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.179
from and kind of like work with them together on solutions.
736
00:36:29.619 --> 00:36:32.659
So I think it's made me like more patient, more collaborative, um,
737
00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:35.980
with my children. Uh, Kim and I joke about this
738
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.940
all the time. It's like, it's so crazy when your
739
00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:40.739
kids make different choices than you would have made. You're like, wow,
740
00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:44.079
I wouldn't have done that. But, and you did and
741
00:36:44.099 --> 00:36:46.420
that's okay. Like it's nothing wrong with it, but I'm
742
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.699
just like, wow, that was a choice. Um, so yeah,
743
00:36:49.739 --> 00:36:52.760
I think it's made me more patient, more collaborative, more understanding.
744
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.059
And that bleeds into, you know, my work as well.
745
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.400
Was there a time when it was hard or too
746
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.949
hard to find the funny and like, what did that
747
00:37:03.989 --> 00:37:07.449
teach you? Cause like, I think that we are in
748
00:37:07.489 --> 00:37:10.969
an era like just in life and in general that
749
00:37:11.469 --> 00:37:15.170
feels heavy and you can, you can scroll, you don't
750
00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:17.710
have to scroll far to have like, Oh, there's that.
751
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.480
And oh, there's another thing. Oh, there's more news. Oh,
752
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:25.500
it's Aaron Parnas. You know, breaking news. It was like
753
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.400
every five minutes.
754
00:37:26.659 --> 00:37:30.739
Oh, my gosh. We don't need Aaron. Don't do this
755
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:33.389
to me, Aaron. Aaron. Stop.
756
00:37:33.409 --> 00:37:34.449
Aaron, take a nap.
757
00:37:36.650 --> 00:37:39.050
How do you... Show us more pictures of your daughter, Aaron.
758
00:37:39.130 --> 00:37:44.170
Right. I'm going to need to link to his content
759
00:37:44.190 --> 00:37:45.949
for people that don't know what we're talking about. But
760
00:37:46.050 --> 00:37:47.659
I don't know who doesn't know who Aaron is.
761
00:37:47.739 --> 00:37:47.860
But.
762
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.139
Yes. He's doing really good work.
763
00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:54.820
He's doing amazing work. To summarize his work, he summarizes
764
00:37:54.860 --> 00:37:57.139
a lot of news clips and news bites that are
765
00:37:57.179 --> 00:38:00.880
happening in real time. And he's very intense, but not
766
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.619
too intense. And he delivers it in a very practical way,
767
00:38:03.659 --> 00:38:08.380
which most of us can understand and comprehend. But that aside,
768
00:38:08.539 --> 00:38:11.340
we do have things and we do have moments in
769
00:38:11.409 --> 00:38:16.070
life where it can feel hard to find the funny, right?
770
00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:18.670
It can feel hard But I want to know if
771
00:38:18.690 --> 00:38:21.309
there's a time like that that happened to you slash
772
00:38:21.409 --> 00:38:23.449
I say for you, because I always think that these
773
00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:26.800
things happen for us, not to us. But what did
774
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.539
it teach you about what laughter can't fix, but maybe
775
00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:31.579
can help us carry?
776
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.500
You know, COVID was really, I hate that's such a
777
00:38:36.539 --> 00:38:41.469
cliche answer, but I think we all, especially like I
778
00:38:41.489 --> 00:38:44.369
feel fortunate for what I got to do in COVID,
779
00:38:44.409 --> 00:38:46.650
which I'll get to in a second, but it was hard.
780
00:38:47.690 --> 00:38:50.269
It was hard to find the funny. Um, and, and
781
00:38:50.329 --> 00:38:53.389
funny comedy is my defense mechanism. Like that, that's how
782
00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:57.269
I process heavy stuff. So even, and there were days
783
00:38:57.349 --> 00:38:59.579
on that where I'm like, I don't even know what,
784
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.199
where it is. Like, I, I feel lost. I feel
785
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.420
like I'm, you know, you're in this prison of your
786
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:08.679
own home and you feel like you don't know when
787
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:11.420
the next shoe is going to drop. Um, there's so
788
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:13.539
many unknowns. You're trying to put on a happy face
789
00:39:13.570 --> 00:39:16.809
for your kids. You can really apply those feelings to
790
00:39:16.829 --> 00:39:21.469
a lot of things in life and feeling really trapped.
791
00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:25.309
I think like defense mechanisms, I think they get talked
792
00:39:25.329 --> 00:39:27.389
about negatively. I think as long as it's a healthy
793
00:39:27.429 --> 00:39:30.460
defense mechanism, it's okay to lead into that. like your
794
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.079
defense mechanism could be that like you like to bake
795
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.719
like if you're stressed you're baking and I think lean
796
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:40.760
in make the cake like so I I challenged myself
797
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.500
in times because comedy is my defense mechanism um And
798
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.380
obviously I did other things too. Like I would try
799
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.329
to exercise more, walk and like ground myself in nature
800
00:39:50.349 --> 00:39:53.510
and things. But like I would challenge myself, even if
801
00:39:53.550 --> 00:39:56.869
it wasn't funny, I would try to like write one
802
00:39:57.730 --> 00:40:00.780
like funny observation about anything. It could be the most
803
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.820
mundane thing. That's the other thing too, is I think
804
00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:05.179
that especially with Penn and Kim and our work with
805
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.280
the Holderness family, and I have to also mention Sam
806
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:09.039
who works on our team. So there's four of us,
807
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:13.050
but like we find humor in very, very mundane things. Um,
808
00:40:13.369 --> 00:40:17.250
because sometimes that's all there is. Everything else is too
809
00:40:17.289 --> 00:40:20.050
heavy and you have to make a joke about your
810
00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:24.380
blender or something's really, really stupid, like so low stakes stupid,
811
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.519
but you feel like other people at least can be like, yeah,
812
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.139
I do that too. And I would try to challenge
813
00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:32.159
myself to come up with one of those funny observations
814
00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:35.409
every day if I felt really low. Um, so I
815
00:40:35.429 --> 00:40:37.050
don't know how that applies to other people and how
816
00:40:37.070 --> 00:40:39.949
they deal with things. But I do feel fortunate in
817
00:40:39.989 --> 00:40:43.949
COVID that we challenged ourselves as a team to make
818
00:40:43.969 --> 00:40:47.070
a new video every day for at least, I mean,
819
00:40:47.090 --> 00:40:49.210
I don't want to say we went through 100 days
820
00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:50.929
of it in a row, but it felt like it.
821
00:40:51.769 --> 00:40:54.800
And we turned into, this is where the Detroiter in me,
822
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.320
I was like, we're getting an assembly line going, guys.
823
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.440
Just like we're at the Ford Motor Company. I was like,
824
00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:02.980
so we all had a job, like a single job
825
00:41:03.019 --> 00:41:05.469
that we would do in this cog. And maybe you
826
00:41:05.489 --> 00:41:08.769
had another job over here, but we had steps and
827
00:41:08.809 --> 00:41:11.469
we just rinsed and repeat every single day. And we
828
00:41:11.829 --> 00:41:14.389
put out a new video almost every day at the
829
00:41:14.409 --> 00:41:18.340
start of the pandemic. And that helped us get through
830
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.360
the hard times because we were just able to just
831
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.519
channel everything into being creative. We allowed ourselves to be really,
832
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.119
really silly. Like, I want to know what love is.
833
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.960
I want to know what day it is. Parodies. I mean.
834
00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:35.219
That's just what we did so I guess going back
835
00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:37.340
to like whatever your defense mechanism is as long as
836
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:41.199
it's healthy I think lean in I think do it
837
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:43.619
if that's what gets you through then that's what gets
838
00:41:43.659 --> 00:41:45.019
you through and it's okay.
839
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.800
For me it's daily gratitude like I stop and I
840
00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:53.599
get grateful for something silly like I I'm grateful for
841
00:41:53.619 --> 00:41:56.420
this this little candle it has the cutest little pug
842
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.219
on it that you can't see it's by a local
843
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:03.869
artisan called the positively pug is the name of the company.
844
00:42:03.889 --> 00:42:06.130
And it makes me so happy. And I'm sitting here
845
00:42:06.170 --> 00:42:08.760
talking with you thinking about like, Oh, they think up
846
00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:11.840
that cute little candle going, but it's, it's little things
847
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:13.800
like that, you know, like, and, and like you said, like,
848
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:15.900
it's not, it doesn't have, I think so many of
849
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.400
us overthink it. And like, you know, it has to
850
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.769
be this like big elaborate production and it can just
851
00:42:20.809 --> 00:42:24.289
be a joke about a blender or like, you know,
852
00:42:24.309 --> 00:42:26.429
we went to Costco, but it's a lot of these
853
00:42:26.469 --> 00:42:29.170
different like things that are very real for people and don't,
854
00:42:29.329 --> 00:42:32.909
you know, it doesn't require much effort or energy, which
855
00:42:32.969 --> 00:42:35.409
is awesome. So just like do more of what comes
856
00:42:35.550 --> 00:42:38.179
naturally to you is what you're saying. And that is,
857
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.619
it sounds so simple and yet we take it for
858
00:42:41.659 --> 00:42:45.639
granted sometimes. So I want to know in that era,
859
00:42:45.739 --> 00:42:47.760
maybe it's not in that era, but just in general, like,
860
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.179
is there, or was there as a creative person, you understand, like,
861
00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:56.179
You put your heart and soul into something and you're like,
862
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.139
this is it. This is the one. I feel like
863
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.739
I know what you're going to ask. Tell me the
864
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.460
one that didn't go, right? Or more than one because
865
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.699
I want to help it go. Let's shine a spotlight
866
00:43:09.739 --> 00:43:13.389
on those undervalued, underappreciated moments.
867
00:43:13.409 --> 00:43:16.329
I don't know if it needs a spotlight. I don't know.
868
00:43:16.449 --> 00:43:22.909
Maybe it's okay. Maybe it's okay that it didn't go. Okay.
869
00:43:22.929 --> 00:43:25.210
This is pre COVID, but, um, I always think of,
870
00:43:25.349 --> 00:43:27.030
and I hate to, I know I'm using a lot
871
00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:29.559
of whole learners family examples, but you have to understand
872
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.179
that I'm like a creative partner with them. We write
873
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:35.900
everything together. Um, if, if, if I'm not the one
874
00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:38.500
that wrote it, um, we're definitely helping like yes and
875
00:43:38.539 --> 00:43:41.099
punch each other up and, or I'm at least producing the,
876
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.159
what it looks like. Um, we had this music video
877
00:43:44.260 --> 00:43:46.980
back in, I think it was 2019 and it was,
878
00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:50.500
it was called Will You Be a Model? And it
879
00:43:50.539 --> 00:43:52.940
was an original song that Penn wrote that we had
880
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:55.059
talked about how like, and it's kind of a bait
881
00:43:55.099 --> 00:43:57.920
and switch. So you think he's talking about dressing up
882
00:43:58.099 --> 00:44:00.599
all sexy for Halloween? Can I, I don't know if
883
00:44:00.619 --> 00:44:02.519
I can say sexy on your pod. Believe me if
884
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:05.429
I can't. But then he's talking about really like being
885
00:44:05.489 --> 00:44:08.309
a role model. So it's like, he's talking about like
886
00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:10.449
how hot it is that you're going to be like
887
00:44:10.570 --> 00:44:13.710
Amelia Earhart and like all these different like prominent women
888
00:44:13.750 --> 00:44:17.929
of history. It was so funny to me. And it
889
00:44:17.949 --> 00:44:19.389
was like one of those things where I'm like, oh
890
00:44:19.409 --> 00:44:21.610
my gosh, this Bane Switch is like hilarious and it's
891
00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:26.269
comedically really, really funny. Crickets. Crickets. To the point where
892
00:44:26.289 --> 00:44:27.789
we're like, we must have
just hit it at a
893
00:44:27.809 --> 00:44:30.300
bad time. And like the next year we re-shared it,
894
00:44:30.309 --> 00:44:36.269
we're like, it was going to hit. Crickets. So those are,
895
00:44:36.289 --> 00:44:38.110
I mean like, and we spent a lot of time
896
00:44:38.150 --> 00:44:40.800
and energy on that. And that happens, we always joke
897
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:42.719
if we spend no energy on a video, we're like,
898
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.079
this is going to be the one. This is going
899
00:44:44.099 --> 00:44:45.929
to be the one everyone loves. And then like the
900
00:44:46.050 --> 00:44:48.230
other one that we've like, we have like shot sheets
901
00:44:48.269 --> 00:44:50.170
and we have like extras coming and we've got like
902
00:44:50.269 --> 00:44:52.929
times and locations. We're like this one, nothing's going to,
903
00:44:52.969 --> 00:44:55.630
this one's two people are going to see it. And
904
00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:58.329
that's just life. I mean, I think that that happens
905
00:44:58.949 --> 00:45:01.389
even outside of video production. Like you'll put a lot
906
00:45:01.429 --> 00:45:03.139
of time and energy into something and it does not
907
00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:06.000
go well. And then you'll put maybe not a lot
908
00:45:06.019 --> 00:45:07.760
of time and energy in something else and it goes great.
909
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.690
And I mean, again, we could say that's like the
910
00:45:11.750 --> 00:45:15.489
universe nudging you different ways potentially, or it's just how
911
00:45:15.510 --> 00:45:18.550
the cookie crumbles. But I mean, I think the biggest
912
00:45:18.590 --> 00:45:21.070
thing is how you come back from that. So a
913
00:45:21.110 --> 00:45:24.079
lot of like, it's just resilience and it's like repetitions.
914
00:45:25.099 --> 00:45:27.119
So I would never, I, and I tell this too,
915
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.380
I work with some, um, like younger comedians sometimes that
916
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.480
are trying to do more video and things. And we
917
00:45:32.500 --> 00:45:34.480
just talk about like, You got to get your reps in.
918
00:45:34.539 --> 00:45:36.480
Like you're getting your reps in on stage. You're getting
919
00:45:36.500 --> 00:45:39.239
your reps in online. So like if the video doesn't
920
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.550
do bad, if it bombs, just pretend like it didn't
921
00:45:42.570 --> 00:45:44.949
even happen. Like do the next one. Like who cares?
922
00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.030
No one cares. It's just about going up to the
923
00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:50.170
plate and like batting each time and getting back up there.
924
00:45:51.030 --> 00:45:53.510
Then every single thing is going to be a home run.
925
00:45:53.590 --> 00:45:54.949
Sometimes you're going to have a single. Sometimes you're going
926
00:45:54.969 --> 00:45:57.010
to have a triple. But like sometimes you are going
927
00:45:57.030 --> 00:46:00.840
to go viral. But sometimes it's just literally the consistency
928
00:46:01.219 --> 00:46:02.460
of putting yourself out there every time.
929
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.460
Sometimes you're going to sit down and you're going to say,
930
00:46:08.019 --> 00:46:11.420
what's the deal with Target Santa? Are we being naughty
931
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.300
or are we being nice? I don't know, but you
932
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.219
guys got to go look and see what Target Santa
933
00:46:16.340 --> 00:46:17.340
is and come back and tell me.
934
00:46:18.010 --> 00:46:18.849
That got two.
935
00:46:18.789 --> 00:46:23.570
Point something million views. Anne-Marie, I had put so much
936
00:46:23.610 --> 00:46:26.630
thought and time and energy and heart and soul into
937
00:46:26.730 --> 00:46:29.489
trying to be this light, bright place on the internet.
938
00:46:30.010 --> 00:46:33.130
And after years of doing that, the first video I
939
00:46:33.170 --> 00:46:35.940
had to go crazy. was just me sitting down in
940
00:46:35.980 --> 00:46:38.719
my chair and asking what the deal was with hot Santa.
941
00:46:39.940 --> 00:46:42.340
And I was like, Oh guys, like there's so much
942
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.199
more here. There's so much more value. And I, but
943
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.860
what you said is so true in that you need to,
944
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.469
you know, work, do the reps and work through the,
945
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:54.610
you know, the, the messy stuff to get to the
946
00:46:54.650 --> 00:46:56.630
good stuff. And it's just, it's just funny because yes,
947
00:46:56.730 --> 00:46:59.230
the ones that you, you work hard on, you know,
948
00:46:59.269 --> 00:47:02.190
sometimes are not the ones that do the things. And
949
00:47:02.230 --> 00:47:04.340
then you sit down and talk about a hot Santa.
950
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:06.820
And for some reason, that's the one.
951
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:06.920
Okay.
952
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:09.199
Giddy up.
953
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:09.639
Let's go.
954
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:10.840
Okay.
955
00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:13.179
But in that regard, that's like really cool that that
956
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.880
happened to you and that you just went ahead and
957
00:47:14.900 --> 00:47:16.780
like hit record and you did it because the other
958
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.380
thing too, is people get paralysis by like, it has
959
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.369
to be perfect. And sometimes it's okay if it's just done.
960
00:47:23.769 --> 00:47:27.429
Like it's okay if it's done, maybe it's 85% there,
961
00:47:27.469 --> 00:47:30.630
but you gotta, you gotta keep her moving, you know?
962
00:47:30.750 --> 00:47:34.449
So like, that's all right. That's okay. Because look, I mean,
963
00:47:34.469 --> 00:47:36.449
I'm sure you were like, oh, well, three people are
964
00:47:36.469 --> 00:47:37.710
going to write, uh, write me on this.
965
00:47:37.750 --> 00:47:38.250
Literally.
966
00:47:38.409 --> 00:47:42.599
Normally it's nothing. The commentary is so funny because I
967
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.789
literally commented on so many things before that, but his
968
00:47:46.829 --> 00:47:49.210
name is Brent Bailey, by the way, he's an actor. Uh,
969
00:47:49.610 --> 00:47:50.809
he lives in Hollywood.
970
00:47:51.070 --> 00:47:51.730
Right. I did.
971
00:47:51.909 --> 00:47:53.949
And it ended up, we ended up becoming friends. He
972
00:47:53.989 --> 00:47:57.230
was like guest number four or five. Yes, I know.
973
00:47:57.329 --> 00:48:01.070
It's crazy. But like he, he and I, it would
974
00:48:01.170 --> 00:48:03.199
not have happened if I hadn't sat down and talked
975
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.860
about hot Santa and, you know, just pressed publish. And
976
00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:09.079
there you go. Um, and it with, I had, I
977
00:48:09.139 --> 00:48:11.099
had had a tooth removed, like on, on top of
978
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.679
it all, I had, um, had a tooth pulled like
979
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.170
three days earlier. So my face was like six times
980
00:48:17.269 --> 00:48:19.610
larger on this side than this side which might have.
981
00:48:19.510 --> 00:48:21.849
Been hello right so nice to meet you.
982
00:48:22.610 --> 00:48:24.949
Might have been my visual hook is that what's this
983
00:48:25.010 --> 00:48:27.389
girl with her face like so nice.
984
00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:28.170
To meet you.
985
00:48:31.010 --> 00:48:33.530
Oh my goodness you talk about like godwinks though and
986
00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:36.239
nudges and you know getting to know brent bailey has
987
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.019
been such a such a gift and he's just a
988
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.619
kind amazing human aside from obviously being hot santa he's
989
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.920
got a lot of other a lot of other actor
990
00:48:44.059 --> 00:48:49.389
acting roles an onion Like we said, always peel it back.
991
00:48:49.510 --> 00:48:49.889
Always.
992
00:48:50.670 --> 00:48:53.449
Speaking of which, I have a few more questions that
993
00:48:53.489 --> 00:48:56.690
are very much quick before you forget oriented. So don't
994
00:48:56.730 --> 00:48:59.849
necessarily have to answer them quick, but they're a little
995
00:48:59.889 --> 00:49:04.070
more quick hitting. And one of them is what, because
996
00:49:04.210 --> 00:49:06.929
here's the thing, you have shined the spotlight a lot
997
00:49:07.050 --> 00:49:09.289
on the Holderness family, which makes all the sense to me.
998
00:49:09.769 --> 00:49:12.090
And as a very, I mean, my goodness gracious, I
999
00:49:12.130 --> 00:49:13.849
have been a huge fan of theirs for a very,
1000
00:49:13.909 --> 00:49:18.409
very long time. And was cheering them on in Amazing Race.
1001
00:49:18.610 --> 00:49:21.840
And I have their books back. here. And I was
1002
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:24.440
on their book launch team for Everybody Fights. I am
1003
00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:25.090
like an OG.
1004
00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:27.420
Oh my gosh, you're a real one. You're a real one.
1005
00:49:27.619 --> 00:49:28.760
I go back, right?
1006
00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:33.510
And I'm so grateful you're here. You're here to tell
1007
00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:37.170
your story. Because as I shared a little bit before
1008
00:49:37.190 --> 00:49:39.469
we got on, I am somebody that's been behind the
1009
00:49:39.489 --> 00:49:41.070
scenes for a long time. who's trying to make that
1010
00:49:41.110 --> 00:49:45.500
transition and getting, you know, battling with myself, like, well, no,
1011
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.360
but who cares what your story is? And you know, like,
1012
00:49:49.019 --> 00:49:51.579
but people do care and I, I care. So we're
1013
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.929
going to dive into Anne Marie a little bit deeper,
1014
00:49:54.530 --> 00:49:58.730
including what would you tell your 22 year old self
1015
00:49:59.289 --> 00:49:59.750
if you could?
1016
00:50:02.409 --> 00:50:05.820
Oh, 22 year old Anne Marie. She was a lot.
1017
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:12.429
And I'm joking. Um, I would tell her, You know,
1018
00:50:12.590 --> 00:50:14.730
it's so funny. I was almost going to say something
1019
00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:16.989
that I was almost going to say follow the rules
1020
00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:19.289
because I think one of the reasons why I got
1021
00:50:19.329 --> 00:50:21.409
like on my first job was I was like, I
1022
00:50:21.429 --> 00:50:23.280
don't need to do that. I have this way I
1023
00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:25.239
like to do it. And they're like, no, no, no.
1024
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:28.679
We know it's archaic, but this is how we do
1025
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:35.000
things around here. Right. Follow the rules, but also like, okay,
1026
00:50:35.019 --> 00:50:36.530
what I would tell myself is don't be afraid to
1027
00:50:36.570 --> 00:50:38.349
take the leap. Don't be afraid to take the leap
1028
00:50:38.530 --> 00:50:40.789
because I did stay in that job a long time.
1029
00:50:41.030 --> 00:50:43.869
I wanted to leave really bad. I tried to like
1030
00:50:43.909 --> 00:50:46.079
find other things to supplement. Like I said, I did
1031
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:48.739
improv comedy. I tried to find things to bring myself joy.
1032
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:53.619
So I would say take the leap. And I know
1033
00:50:53.659 --> 00:50:56.719
that now because I have taken the leap and things
1034
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.030
have worked out. And if they don't work out, like
1035
00:50:59.170 --> 00:51:02.889
we'll find a way. Like I'm totally like I always
1036
00:51:02.969 --> 00:51:05.710
feel like you're going to figure it out. If you
1037
00:51:05.730 --> 00:51:07.360
want to make the big change, make the big change.
1038
00:51:07.409 --> 00:51:12.460
If you're like, oopsies, there's always an alternative. So yeah,
1039
00:51:12.500 --> 00:51:14.219
I would tell myself to like take the leap.
1040
00:51:15.139 -->
00:51:17.159
And have an open mind, it sounds like too.
1041
00:51:17.179 --> 00:51:18.380
I'll be stuck. Yeah.
1042
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:19.159
Yeah.
1043
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:20.679
Yeah. Make a change.
1044
00:51:21.219 --> 00:51:25.170
Make a change. If I handed you a megaphone and
1045
00:51:25.809 --> 00:51:29.250
most of the world was strongly encouraged to listen to you,
1046
00:51:29.929 --> 00:51:31.170
what would your one message be?
1047
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.059
Uh, find a way to laugh every day. Find a
1048
00:51:38.059 --> 00:51:41.099
way to laugh every day. I just, that's probably cliche,
1049
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.570
but laughter, I truly believe laughter is medicine. Laughter is medicine.
1050
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:47.170
I laugh every day. The person that makes me laugh
1051
00:51:47.190 --> 00:51:49.929
the most of my life is my husband. Um, which
1052
00:51:49.949 --> 00:51:51.949
people are surprised to hear. So he's not like a
1053
00:51:52.190 --> 00:51:54.789
funny ha ha person, but he's just like a very like, um,
1054
00:51:55.449 --> 00:51:59.010
quick witted kind of dry deadpan humor. And it gets
1055
00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:02.070
me every time, every time I'm not, I'm not ready
1056
00:52:02.110 --> 00:52:03.659
for it. And that's what gets me every time. It's
1057
00:52:03.739 --> 00:52:05.699
so funny. but yeah, I would just find a way
1058
00:52:05.739 --> 00:52:08.860
to laugh every day. Even if it's something stupid, you
1059
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.340
could laugh at yourself. You could have a dance party
1060
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:14.969
in your bathroom and be like, I'm ridiculous, but you
1061
00:52:14.989 --> 00:52:17.150
have to find those ways to just get through it.
1062
00:52:17.610 --> 00:52:20.429
You'd really do. And I know there's a lot of like,
1063
00:52:20.550 --> 00:52:23.130
that's very, that also is a very privileged thing for
1064
00:52:23.150 --> 00:52:24.989
me to say. Like, cause I know there is a
1065
00:52:25.010 --> 00:52:27.309
lot of places in, in the U S and the
1066
00:52:27.349 --> 00:52:30.010
world that is like, they're really struggling and they're like,
1067
00:52:30.230 --> 00:52:33.510
that's cute Amory, but we're just trying to get through life. Um,
1068
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.559
But I think even finding a really, I think the
1069
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.400
watered down version of that is find a way to just,
1070
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.969
you know, crack even a little soft smile. Do something
1071
00:52:42.989 --> 00:52:45.670
that makes you, even if it's just watching the sunset,
1072
00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:49.630
picking up a dandelion and, you know, blowing it like
1073
00:52:49.670 --> 00:52:51.449
you were when you were a kid. Like find those
1074
00:52:51.530 --> 00:52:55.099
little pieces that kind of bring you a little spark,
1075
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.539
a little sparkle. Because you need that. Even if things
1076
00:52:58.579 --> 00:53:00.239
are really hard, you need that as a person.
1077
00:53:01.309 --> 00:53:03.130
The best thing about what you said, and I got
1078
00:53:03.150 --> 00:53:05.369
chills because the best thing about what you said is
1079
00:53:06.070 --> 00:53:08.809
first of all, that it's little. Secondly, that it's for you.
1080
00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:12.030
And thirdly, that it's a spark because it is. And
1081
00:53:12.050 --> 00:53:15.800
when you find those things for you, generally speaking in
1082
00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:19.079
some way or another, it spills over and can spark
1083
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:21.920
something in somebody else. And that's kind of the whole
1084
00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:24.570
point of what I'm trying to do here is helping
1085
00:53:24.590 --> 00:53:28.030
people feel seen in story and in a way that
1086
00:53:28.130 --> 00:53:31.199
they recognize that a lot of the, these really big
1087
00:53:31.300 --> 00:53:35.619
things that feel super overwhelming and hard aren't, it's not
1088
00:53:35.659 --> 00:53:38.300
that it's not that deep. Like it's not like you
1089
00:53:38.539 --> 00:53:42.539
can find these little things and hold onto them and
1090
00:53:42.579 --> 00:53:44.760
have them actually make a difference in your day, in
1091
00:53:44.780 --> 00:53:46.679
your life, in your world and in the world of
1092
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.570
those around you. And that's, that's the coolest part for me.
1093
00:53:49.590 --> 00:53:53.960
Um, What? Another thing I'll say to that really quick
1094
00:53:54.019 --> 00:53:55.500
is like, I always try to find a way to
1095
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:59.960
connect with just everyday people. I could be asking someone
1096
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.440
at the grocery store where an item is, but I
1097
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.980
always try to not just ask that. Like sometimes I,
1098
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:07.780
and I do it to the point where I don't
1099
00:54:07.820 --> 00:54:10.239
even like realize I'm doing it, but I, I've noticed
1100
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:12.019
this about myself lately. Cause someone pointed out to me
1101
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:14.480
is like, I'll crack a little joke about it to them,
1102
00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:17.280
or I'll like make a comment that makes them laugh
1103
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:19.960
about what they're doing or like, and again, nothing's mean spirited,
1104
00:54:20.019 --> 00:54:21.840
but I was trying to find these little ways to
1105
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:26.119
like just connect with the everyday people you're seeing in
1106
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.960
your life and connect with them in with with kindness and,
1107
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.980
you know, being humble and joy. Like if you can
1108
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.250
make it always makes my day to make someone else's day,
1109
00:54:37.530 --> 00:54:39.909
even if I just made them kind of chuckle about something.
1110
00:54:39.929 --> 00:54:40.889
Yeah.
1111
00:54:42.230 --> 00:54:45.309
Any I don't know if someone takes that take something
1112
00:54:45.369 --> 00:54:48.469
away from that, then even just one person, then.
1113
00:54:49.849 --> 00:54:52.269
The power of one is, is a good thing. I,
1114
00:54:52.369 --> 00:54:54.489
you know, that was a guest of mine. That was
1115
00:54:54.530 --> 00:54:56.929
the name of the episode was if you just touch
1116
00:54:57.030 --> 00:54:59.710
one heart in a day, you've done more than enough.
1117
00:55:00.050 --> 00:55:03.139
So that's absolutely beautiful. And something I do as well.
1118
00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:06.500
And I, I, I'm a complimenter like when we're at
1119
00:55:06.820 --> 00:55:09.360
the grocery store and I can tell that somebody spent
1120
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.110
time or money on their nails or their outfit or
1121
00:55:13.349 --> 00:55:15.590
their hair or whatever. I'm the one that's like, Oh,
1122
00:55:17.550 --> 00:55:19.969
And my kids, it was really cool is that I
1123
00:55:20.429 --> 00:55:22.769
have modeled that enough with my kids where they do
1124
00:55:22.829 --> 00:55:26.860
it too. And seeing that like full circle parenting moment
1125
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:31.219
on pretty frequently is just, it's exactly what you're talking
1126
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:33.619
about with like the mirror and having that, it just
1127
00:55:34.179 --> 00:55:36.440
amplifies the good energy. And we need, we need as
1128
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.539
much of that as we can get right now. So
1129
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.039
we do. And another place that I find good energy is,
1130
00:55:43.219 --> 00:55:47.320
you know, we, you talked about laughter is medicine. 100% agree.
1131
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:51.960
I also believe that mindset, movement, and music are kind
1132
00:55:51.980 --> 00:55:54.659
of my foundations for the show and for Quick Before
1133
00:55:54.699 --> 00:56:00.409
You Forget. Movement and music, in particular music, is medicine
1134
00:56:00.590 --> 00:56:03.849
for me, has been. I'm very grateful I've had a
1135
00:56:03.869 --> 00:56:06.050
lot of opportunities to experience a lot of live shows
1136
00:56:06.110 --> 00:56:10.590
this year. Medicine is almost not a big enough word
1137
00:56:10.670 --> 00:56:14.340
for the healing energy that can happen for you through music.
1138
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.320
So my question is as, as a person that, you know,
1139
00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:20.030
obviously there's a lot of music that happens in the
1140
00:56:20.070 --> 00:56:23.949
Holderness family, but what is your song? Like, do you
1141
00:56:23.969 --> 00:56:26.469
have a song that you go to, to like ground
1142
00:56:26.510 --> 00:56:28.090
yourself in moments?
1143
00:56:28.110 --> 00:56:29.610
I've been waiting for you to ask me. I've been
1144
00:56:29.650 --> 00:56:34.329
waiting for you to ask me. I, I do love music. I,
1145
00:56:34.769 --> 00:56:36.369
like I said, I did musical theater. I'm a singer.
1146
00:56:36.389 --> 00:56:39.869
I've always sang. I was like, the little kid when
1147
00:56:39.929 --> 00:56:42.909
she was three that I like, they put me on
1148
00:56:42.949 --> 00:56:45.750
a table outside and I sang Jeremiah was a bullfrog,
1149
00:56:45.789 --> 00:56:48.389
joy to the world for everyone. Cause my dad had
1150
00:56:48.409 --> 00:56:49.880
rewrote some of the lyrics for me. So they were
1151
00:56:49.909 --> 00:56:52.460
age appropriate. So I guess parody has always been in
1152
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.650
my life too. Always. You were three. Yes. It was
1153
00:56:55.670 --> 00:56:57.280
like three or four and they have like a whole
1154
00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:59.949
movie of it. I asked for like that Fisher price
1155
00:57:00.010 --> 00:57:03.179
microphone with like lights for like, I think a preschool,
1156
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.699
like Christmas. It was like the best. I still think
1157
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.699
to this day, that was like the epitome of Christmas
1158
00:57:07.739 --> 00:57:09.699
morning to me was seeing that under the tree. I
1159
00:57:09.739 --> 00:57:12.480
was like, like, I just loved it. So I do,
1160
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.559
I do love to sing. So I love, love music.
1161
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.840
And do I have a song? I love Phil Collins.
1162
00:57:19.940 --> 00:57:23.239
I've noticed about myself that I love a horn section.
1163
00:57:23.980 --> 00:57:26.429
I need your band to have a horn section. I
1164
00:57:27.170 --> 00:57:29.190
want a full horn section. So that brings me to
1165
00:57:29.230 --> 00:57:33.070
like a lot of Motown, funk. But I did something
1166
00:57:33.110 --> 00:57:36.010
recently that kind of goes along with your question. Again,
1167
00:57:36.030 --> 00:57:39.269
a little God wink is I just recognized when I
1168
00:57:39.289 --> 00:57:41.010
was like out at the airport or a restaurant, I'd
1169
00:57:41.030 --> 00:57:42.980
be like, oh, I love this song. I haven't heard
1170
00:57:43.059 --> 00:57:46.019
this song in forever. So I started a new playlist
1171
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:50.320
called Happy Mix on my phone. And so whenever I
1172
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.039
would hear a song when I was out, I would
1173
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.030
throw it on the Happy Mix. And sometimes I take
1174
00:57:54.050 --> 00:57:57.639
stuff off because I'm like, maybe this one's I'm not
1175
00:57:57.659 --> 00:58:00.239
super into it anymore. But it actually, if I'm having
1176
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.920
a down day, I literally just put that thing on
1177
00:58:02.940 --> 00:58:05.980
shuffle because it's all songs that make me feel good.
1178
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.199
There's a lot of horns in those and there's a
1179
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.829
lot of Motown. It's probably everything you're like people listening
1180
00:58:11.869 --> 00:58:14.230
like your parents like. I usually like the music your
1181
00:58:14.269 -->
00:58:16.929
parents like for sure. I'm kind of an old soul
1182
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in that way. But yeah, that's what really, that's what
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gets me going. One of my favorites is Something Happened
1184
00:58:23.969 --> 00:58:26.360
on the Way to Heaven by Phil Collins, which is
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00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:29.539
a banger and has a lot of horns. So that's
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00:58:29.619 --> 00:58:32.099
like my check, check. Anne-Marie's happy.
1187
00:58:32.380 --> 00:58:35.679
Checks all the boxes. And will you share your playlist
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00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.639
with us? Like, I don't want to like, is it
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00:58:38.659 --> 00:58:40.710
like on Apple or Spotify or somewhere where you could like?
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00:58:40.730 --> 00:58:42.090
Yeah, it's on Apple. Okay.
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00:58:42.349 --> 00:58:42.869
I would love it.
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00:58:42.949 --> 00:58:45.409
Yeah. You guys can get happy with me. Yes.
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00:58:45.710 --> 00:58:49.309
Let's get happy together with the, with the happy mix playlist.
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00:58:49.349 --> 00:58:52.219
Enjoy the horns. They don't have enough horns nowadays. They
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00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:52.920
need to bring them back.
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00:58:53.340 --> 00:58:57.320
That's true. You don't hear horns. That's funny because, yeah,
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I was trying to think of something more modern and
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00:59:00.019 --> 00:59:00.949
I can't think of anything.
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00:59:00.969 --> 00:59:03.050
It's so hard. Bruno Mars has some horns.
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Okay. Bruno Mars knows what's up. We know what's up.
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Thank you for your time. for your energy, for all
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of the things. I am so grateful. And I want
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00:59:14.510 --> 00:59:17.070
to know if there's anything specific that you want to
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00:59:17.110 --> 00:59:19.639
share or spotlight that I didn't ask you today.
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00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.460
Um, okay. Yes, there is. So in getting to know
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00:59:24.579 --> 00:59:27.980
me and Marie, the person, not the Midwest neighbor, um,
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00:59:28.179 --> 00:59:32.030
I'm very involved in my local chapter of Alpha Gamma Delta,
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00:59:32.110 --> 00:59:36.329
which is a sorority and our philanthropy is, um, fighting hunger.
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00:59:36.630 --> 00:59:38.349
So I would encourage everyone as we go into the
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00:59:38.389 --> 00:59:41.590
holiday season, um, to give back to your local food
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00:59:41.630 --> 00:59:48.849
pantry or to volunteer your, your time. If you're Food
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00:59:48.889 --> 00:59:52.590
insecurity is like a really, really big issue right now,
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00:59:52.650 --> 00:59:55.550
especially in our area. And that's the work that I
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00:59:55.590 --> 00:59:59.179
do with these amazing women that I get to work
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00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.340
with here. And so, yeah, that's what I would encourage
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01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:05.340
people to do because also giving back to others also
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01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.099
brings you joy. It really does. It puts a smile
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01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:10.449
on their face and yours. So I would try to
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01:00:10.489 --> 01:00:12.170
find ways to do that. Awesome.
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01:00:12.590 --> 01:00:16.170
One more thing, quick before you forget, what does Anne-Marie
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01:00:16.530 --> 01:00:17.590
need to remember right now?
1222
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:26.460
Anne-Marie needs to remember the grocery list. No, Anne-Marie needs
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01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:30.619
to remember, um, probably to not be so hard on herself.
1224
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.179
That's like a downer answer, but, um, I dug a
1225
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.280
lot of balls. I like to do a lot of things.
1226
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.929
Sometimes things get dropped and, um, usually I'm very quick
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01:00:41.969 --> 01:00:44.849
to fix it if it does, but sometimes, yeah, it's,
1228
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.440
I think it's hard, especially being like a working mom.
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01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.519
You can sometimes, you'll have days where you feel like
1230
01:00:50.539 --> 01:00:54.119
you're failing. And I mean, on the whole, you're probably
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01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.239
doing great. You just had a bad day. So I
1232
01:00:57.260 --> 01:00:59.550
need to remind myself to be nicer to myself about stuff.
1233
01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:02.150
Sometimes I beat myself up if I forget something or
1234
01:01:02.170 --> 01:01:04.730
I mess something up. But it's really not that serious.
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01:01:05.489 --> 01:01:07.110
Go put your happy playlist on, Ann Marie.
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01:01:07.769 --> 01:01:08.369
Happy mixed playlist.
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01:01:08.389 --> 01:01:09.630
I dance pretty going to those horns.
1238
01:01:10.050 --> 01:01:13.719
Here we go. It's so funny because... you said it
1239
01:01:13.739 --> 01:01:16.000
was a downer answer and I heard give yourself grace
1240
01:01:16.219 --> 01:01:19.360
and there's nothing downer about that. Like you just need
1241
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:22.389
to give yourself some grace. Like I almost forgot to
1242
01:01:22.510 --> 01:01:25.190
ask a question. I had a friend who found out
1243
01:01:25.230 --> 01:01:27.670
I was interviewing you, talking with you today and she's like,
1244
01:01:27.730 --> 01:01:29.570
oh my gosh, could you ask her a question? And
1245
01:01:29.610 --> 01:01:32.610
I said, sure. And I almost forgot. And then you said,
1246
01:01:32.929 --> 01:01:35.329
and you know, I forget things and I was looking
1247
01:01:35.369 --> 01:01:37.809
at my notes and here's the question. So I'm One
1248
01:01:37.849 --> 01:01:39.929
more question. I'm sorry to juke you around.
1249
01:01:40.070 --> 01:01:41.650
Who's your friend? Can we say her name?
1250
01:01:41.670 --> 01:01:44.670
Yeah, her name is Leanne, and she's from the Instagram.
1251
01:01:44.949 --> 01:01:47.110
She's one of my rollercoaster followers.
1252
01:01:47.139 --> 01:01:50.780
Is she a two-name
person? She a two-name person? Kind of, Leanne.
1253
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:51.519
She is.
1254
01:01:51.579 --> 01:01:52.099
Yeah, Leanne.
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01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:53.920
I get you, girl. I get you, girl.
1256
01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:54.559
She's in your name.
1257
01:01:54.579 --> 01:01:57.539
We're out here fighting the good fight with our two names.
1258
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.280
You share three letters in your names. So she said,
1259
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.039
give me the Midwestern mom or woman take on neighbors
1260
01:02:05.099 --> 01:02:09.219
being friends and then not... being friends. How do you
1261
01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:12.300
go about life driving past their house every day, but
1262
01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:15.199
not having deep connection or closeness anymore?
1263
01:02:17.050 --> 01:02:19.630
Oh, okay. So wait, they were friends and now they're not.
1264
01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:21.469
Uh-huh. And how do you work through that?
1265
01:02:22.429 --> 01:02:23.550
And you have to go through that by their house
1266
01:02:23.610 --> 01:02:27.150
every day. Oh, this is hard for me to answer
1267
01:02:27.210 --> 01:02:30.210
Leanne because I'm, I'm a little bit of a people pleaser.
1268
01:02:30.590 --> 01:02:33.099
So I will make my way to go over there.
1269
01:02:33.139 --> 01:02:34.860
I'll find an excuse to come over to your house,
1270
01:02:35.019 --> 01:02:36.900
even if we're not friends, just to be like, everything good.
1271
01:02:37.909 --> 01:02:39.610
Or your plant, like sometimes I'll wait, I'll see them
1272
01:02:39.630 --> 01:02:42.230
come out. Your plants look so nice. I always like
1273
01:02:42.269 --> 01:02:43.349
compliment people on their plants.
1274
01:02:43.369 --> 01:02:43.909
Compliments.
1275
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:47.840
They do look really nice because I do not have
1276
01:02:47.940 --> 01:02:50.460
a big green. I do a lot of drought resistant
1277
01:02:50.500 --> 01:02:53.159
plants because I'll forget to water them. But if you're
1278
01:02:53.179 --> 01:02:55.809
watering your plants, I'm giving you a gold star. Okay.
1279
01:02:55.869 --> 01:02:59.920
What do you say? Um, oh gosh, Leanne, I feel
1280
01:02:59.960 --> 01:03:02.460
like as a neighbor, I have to answer in this
1281
01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:06.280
very exaggerated voice that I've created. That's not really from
1282
01:03:06.460 --> 01:03:09.510
any specific place in the Midwest, just a culmination of
1283
01:03:09.550 --> 01:03:14.369
it all. So don't get offended. Um, listen, okay. You
1284
01:03:14.409 --> 01:03:17.170
don't have to be besties, but you got to help
1285
01:03:17.190 --> 01:03:19.730
them out every once in a while. Maybe drop off
1286
01:03:19.769 --> 01:03:24.070
a little beat good, write them a little note. If
1287
01:03:24.090 --> 01:03:26.929
you have a good casserole recipe, maybe drop that in
1288
01:03:26.949 --> 01:03:31.130
the mailbox. Was thinking of you. It doesn't mean you
1289
01:03:31.150 -->
01:03:34.079
got to be best buds, but you can be neighborly.
1290
01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:38.199
You can help them shovel the drive. If they need
1291
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:41.679
a boost, that's what I would say. That's what the
1292
01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:43.150
neighbor would say. Bless him.
1293
01:03:43.570 --> 01:03:46.809
That was perfect. And I'm grateful. And it's been so fun.
1294
01:03:46.829 --> 01:03:48.849
I wonder if maybe you could come back again and
1295
01:03:48.889 --> 01:03:51.070
talk more because I could talk to you for hours.
1296
01:03:51.139 --> 01:03:54.079
We've had enough time though. And I'm so grateful. So
1297
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.019
thank you again for being here, for sharing with us,
1298
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.780
for just showing up for you and for us. I
1299
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:01.590
really appreciate it.
1300
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.860
Yes. Thank you for having me on. It's been really,
1301
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.039
really nice. I've liked talking to you. I would be
1302
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:07.659
happy to come back.
1303
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:08.099
Yay.
1304
01:04:09.070 --> 01:04:11.050
So you heard it here, friends. She's coming back. And
1305
01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:13.750
we will see you next time on Quick Before You Forget.
1306
01:04:13.769 --> 01:04:13.840
Bye.
1307
01:04:16.070 --> 01:04:19.789
That was so much fun. Thank you for investing your time, energy,
1308
01:04:20.050 --> 01:04:23.090
and thought into spending some time with me today. I
1309
01:04:23.210 --> 01:04:26.769
really appreciate you. And I really appreciate when you talk back.
1310
01:04:27.429 --> 01:04:30.199
So please, if you're here still, thank you so much.
1311
01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:33.800
Please tell me what you thought. Tell me what other
1312
01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:37.800
questions you have. Tell me how this episode affected you
1313
01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:40.070
and how it resonated with you and all of the things.
1314
01:04:40.110 --> 01:04:43.369
Tell me all the things in the comments. And please
1315
01:04:43.429 --> 01:04:46.289
know that I'm reading every single comment, responding to every
1316
01:04:46.329 --> 01:04:50.510
single comment, and I appreciate you. Thank you for being
1317
01:04:50.550 --> 01:04:54.150
here with me today. Please also like, share, subscribe. If
1318
01:04:54.650 --> 01:04:57.130
this episode was fun for you, It'll be fun for
1319
01:04:57.170 --> 01:04:59.349
a friend, so send it to a friend that might
1320
01:04:59.429 --> 01:05:03.400
enjoy a little laughter, a little joy, and a little
1321
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:09.760
more time investing in themselves. And today, I am proudly sponsored,
1322
01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:13.849
not sponsored, by Zeke's Village Market in Door County, Wisconsin,
1323
01:05:14.070 --> 01:05:19.210
which provided this fantastic shirt, which Ephraim is a really
1324
01:05:19.250 --> 01:05:22.030
cute town in Door County. If you haven't been there,
1325
01:05:22.510 --> 01:05:26.179
it's beautiful. It's very much Cape Cod beautiful. It's the
1326
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.519
Cape Cod of the Midwest. So I just have to
1327
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.059
show you the design because the design is what makes
1328
01:05:32.139 --> 01:05:34.449
it a souvenir with soul. So we're going to stand up.
1329
01:05:44.590 --> 01:05:48.449
Every single design from Zeke's has heart and soul put
1330
01:05:48.489 --> 01:05:51.480
into it and it's designed and part that they partner
1331
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:55.980
with Guilty Apparel. And the two together are a dynamic
1332
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:59.900
duo of awesomeness. So I am so grateful for their
1333
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.110
belief in me and their beautiful designs and their souvenirs
1334
01:06:04.130 --> 01:06:07.210
with soul. And I will see you next time on
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01:06:07.289 --> 01:06:08.130
Quick Before You Forget.