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Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself,
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Simon Donnelly and Jackie McNamara And we're delighted to have
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one of our old gaffers, Mr Dick Campbell with us today,
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how are you?
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Delighted to be here, it's good to see you too,
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looking not too impressed with the beards I've got to
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say You'd never go away with that down to me,
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but yeah.
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Good to see you That's what I was saying, that
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was my first memory when you signed me at Partick
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Thistle Bonny I'm 30 plus, so I regard myself as
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a senior pro and I'm walking up the stairs at
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Fir Hill and the first guy I met was a
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bone collector, Jimmy Bone.
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Jimmy. And he went like that.
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Who's that in here?
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Jimson.
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Getting that shaved out.
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I went home that day and thought, I'm 30 plus,
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I'm getting telt. You better get shaved. I couldn't grow
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a beard when I was playing. Neither could I. That's
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what they wanted. I was a big one to talk to,
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starting with signing Simon. Standards. I think we were in Mallorca.
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It was where he called me Drummond's place. He had
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the bronze bar. And there was a chat about Simon.
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And I got to him in the pub. I think
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there was a couple of vodka and cokes involved in it.
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Just a couple.
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That's quite a dangerous bar that, the bronze bar. You
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were in there and you signed for Dunfermline.
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From that bar?
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I was in there and signed for Aberdeen.
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Signed for Partick? Partick it was. Partick, sorry. I was
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in there and signed for Aberdeen. With Jimmy? Jimmy Calderwood.
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I think Jimmy was there that time.
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I could talk about him later on.
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I think Jimmy was there at that time as well.
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It was a gang of ye's.
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That was a great pub. That was Bobby Drummond, the
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wee Mosbah. They go to Magaluf with us. Bobby had
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that pub. But that, I can always remember. It was
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in the papers that Dick had signed Simon from a
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pub in Spain, you know. But the actual... Who was
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your agent again? I don't know if I had one. Ah,
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you did. Raymond Sparks. Raymond. That's who it was, Raymond.
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He was all right. He was still there.
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I thought it was you. I thought you were my
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agent at that point. You were saying Dick.
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No. No, it was... I probably put you on. I
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put you on. It was Raymond. Well, Raymond... I'd known him,
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you know, and he'd come away, and famous to Simon,
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and that's why I love him so much. Raymond hit
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me with a big step, and I'm, well, he's on this,
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and he's on that, and he'll need to do that,
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that's not what we're looking for, and the rest of it,
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and I'm just about to give it, get yourself to,
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I can't afford him, and Simon jumped in and said, no, Raymond,
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take what Dick's offered and I'll never forget it I've
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never heard a player ever interrupt these agents and tell
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them but I suppose it was a mark of respect
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to myself and my relationship with Simon It.
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Was actually my most out with Celtic was obviously my
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big moment in my career it was actually the most
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happiest I was anywhere else apart it was a good
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bunch of boys enjoyed my football there it.
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Was good it really was And you came along.
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That was a good bit later. A wee while after.
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That was a funny club. Good club.
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At that time, I'm very impressed with what's happening just
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now with them.
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Yeah, they're doing well.
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But at that time, you weren't sure if you were
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half a Celtic or half a Rangers supporter. It fell
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out of them. They went to support Barry Griffin. But
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Brian McMaster was there. He was the president of the SFA. And,
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of course, Lambie. I always remember Lambie when he came
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to you. Get my face
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breaking, you know, it was
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four o'clock in the morning when he left, he goes,
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my name to the ball. Oh, I enjoyed that. We
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were certainly.
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You'd just got up, see, before I had just signed,
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I'm just remembering now it's coming back, the year before
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you were just, you came up through.
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The playoffs at the last minute, was it?
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Well, I took the job in February and I think
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we were eight points behind at the bottom and we
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went down with a point. Yeah.
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Drew Hart, last game of the season. We should have
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won that day anyway.
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And we came up on next season in the playoff.
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That's right, I remember watching it. Because I knew I
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was coming.
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Aye.
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And obviously you were going up to the first division,
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weren't you?
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You were getting promoted to the first division. It was
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a funny story. See that again. It was the strangest
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thing I've ever done. Last week, until I got sacked,
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I was probably the longest serving manager in Britain in
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terms of games. 8,600, whatever that is. And we had
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drawn at Fairhill in the first leg of the playoffs.
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So we're going up there. We must have had 4,000
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fans up there, apparently, maybe more. Anyway, we're sitting at
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the game. And they had a few well-known players in
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their team, if you think of them. We had Bobby
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Lineny and we were all playing for Peterhead. And it
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was a great atmosphere, but with eight minutes to go
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or something, or five minutes to go, we need to
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score a.
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Goal, right?
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To keep us alive. And the fans were getting me
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a tight, right? And the strangest thing, Simon, I've ever done,
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or any decision I've ever made, I took my two
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centre-halves off. I took them off. I had to. I
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needed a goal or it was pointless. And I put
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Paul Ritchie on. Right. Just on
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Bobby Lynn rounds the goalkeeper and fucking hits the post. Seriously.
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And Paul Ritchie scored in injury time to make extra time.
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and the rest is history.
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All the fans.
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Had started to make their way home but they were
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halfway down the road to tell me. My boys were
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there when they heard that. And the rest was magnificent.
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And we won. We won the penalty kicks. And it's
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the biggest carry I've ever seen. We stopped at Tesco's
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and had the big honestly. The directors filled up that.
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When I got home at night, there was a big
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party in my house and the rest of it. But
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Thistle deserved it. They hang in there. They should have
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won it anyway. There were a lot of part-time teams
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in it, but it's part and parcel to football.
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And you must have had, well, we'll talk about that.
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Obviously, in your long-spanning career as a manager, you must
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have had so many of those types of moments.
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But can we take you back to your playing days,
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first of all?
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I always never do.
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Did you always see yourself as a kind of a
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leader that would go into the coaching side of management
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or was that something that just kind.
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Of to be honest with you I was never ever
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a good player I played 440 reserve games.
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What position were you I played we won the Scottish
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Cup at under 16 level big leachman and all the
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boys all played for my brother and I scored 80
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103 goals I was a striker then right.
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And I went and signed for Dundee United. Man, United
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will never want me. As a striker, didn't work out.
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And then in midfield, I think I played 150 with
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Cowan Beeson, maybe 156 with Breakin' in midfield. Right. And
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then as you get older.
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Working your way back.
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Working your way back. I was a competitor.
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Shorts
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I was a competitor. Nobody ever, ever had to... Test
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my commitment. I can honestly say that. I don't know
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what used to happen to me. Come three o'clock when
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that whistle went, it was just a mindset for me
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to switch on. And I've always demanded that of everybody else,
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as you two all know. Went to the Indy United,
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didn't work out. I think, you know, when I went
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to the Indy United, That was where my friendship with
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Wyatt Smith came in. And as everybody knows, I was
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part of his funeral stuff. And he was just, he
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was 21 and we all stayed in the Broughton Ferry,
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Safefield Road. In Diggs. In Diggs, in a big house.
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And I'm telling you, Wyatt was 21, I was 16.
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Even then, the leadership qualities for Wyatt was not there.
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I was a shipwright for trade and when I went
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to Dundee United, I went, my dad always said to me,
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get yourself a trade son, then you get up your
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trade and all that rest of it.
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So I was halfway through my apprenticeship when I went
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to Dundee United.
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So to complete my apprenticeship, in the afternoons I used
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to go to Rob Caledon and that kept me going
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and all that rest of it. But what I did then,
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see if you want to do that, stay at 5
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to 9 in the morning. You had to fucking run
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for it. to Broughty Ferry, to Tannery. That's a fair cabbie.
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He was fantastic. And he had that qualities about him.
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Even then at 21?
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Then?
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Oh, he was just a lovely, lovely, I never had
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a night goes by that I didn't, you know, he
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was a good, good, good friend of mine. And then
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I went back to Cowdenbeath. I had to go to
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Cowdenbeath for my first abound. And we had 14,000 at Falkirk, Cowdenbeath, 14,000
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at Central Park. MacArthur and the Goals. Jim MacArthur. MacArthur,
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McLaughlin and Jack. Campbell, Cannell, Moore. Lane, Dixon, Mullen, Bostock
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and Ross. That was my debut team. I mean, that
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was in 17. And they're all legends at Cowanbeef. These
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boys will never remember them, but they were great players
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in Cowanbeef. So I'd left Indy United and I went
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to Cowanbeef and I signed for them the day before
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my 17th birthday and I signed the Thursday It started
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me in the Saturday. Andy Matthews loved me for some reason.
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Alec Ferguson's a good friend of Andy Matthews. Right. They
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all talk, Alec talks about it. Andy used to love
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Dick because Dick could get in about them and this
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and that.
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I suppose I was like that, Simon.
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It was in your nature.
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It was, it was one of the ones. I never
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gave Jake any else bar enthusiasm. Never gave you any
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else bar natural enthusiasm for football. And, eh, The rest
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is history, you know. Went to, fed under United to Dunfermline.
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Two grand I got. Two grand for signing. Right?
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There's nine of us in the family. I bought everybody, right?
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I gave them all a hundred quid.
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Brilliant.
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I didn't leave them with much.
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You can buy, you can buy a house with that.
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Maybe two houses with that kind of money, you know.
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But I tell the story when I'm doing these dinners
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and everything that I see the boathouses. But instead, I
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phoned up Pink, my son Brenna, and I phoned up
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Elisha and said, see you two. Pack your bags, we're
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going to Hoorn and Doorn. So I blew the lot.
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Seriously blew the lot. Went to Benidorm with Elisha and
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Pink for three weeks. Had £ 60 left, that was it.
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But I enjoyed my time. I didn't tell him. I
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was playing that night, Elisha broke his leg. Right. the
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two centre halves the week before we went to Aberdeen
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drew 1-1 went to Hearts beat them 3-2 and me
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and Lisa were the centre halves.
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But at least broke his leg it was a horrible
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horrible break Jim Jefferies he was.
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With the wind and Jim went Jim was a good
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player I wouldn't tell him that he's a good player.
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Big tall so it was a collision with Jim Jefferies
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the ball was.
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Big Big Leash's touch, let him do the fight. The
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ball went away and Jim was always going to win
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the ball. You couldn't force him to blame to that.
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Horrible break. Jim went in, the tackle, two of them clashed.
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Both the fibula and the tibia were sticking out of
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Jim's skin. He never kicked an argo after that. I
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always remember he was funny. You know, Big Leash thinks
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he's a poet. He does think he's a poet. And
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I was sitting there, me, Jimmy Stevenson, running home with
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the bag. And he's going, Dak, Dak, come here, come here. Well,
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this was my mate. He says, here, take that. Send
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your dick, put it in Jim's mouth. Let him bite
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the pain, you know. And see when I see all
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the poetry and everything, I wish the fuck I'd never
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done it. I tell him that. But he never kicked
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another boy after that. And that's fortunes of football. You've
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got a bad injury.
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Would you have been young, Jim, at that point?
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21. We were in the same class at the school.
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And my brother Ian, he was in the Cleverer class.
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Me and Luce were in the Dovey class. But, you know,
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Big Graham Shaw, boys like that all played. Jock Mackey,
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Ken Mackey, Alec Cowan, David McNichol, Ger Carlson. He's the
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only goalkeeper I've ever seen in a pint of lager
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at a pre-match game. So then, the happiest days, I mean,
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we've won, we have won, and I emphasise the we,
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not me. I always seem to say, 44 manager of
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the month. And you say to yourself, I've got a
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book coming out in a couple of weeks.
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My mum and dad died with dementia.
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I know you guys are familiar with the whole thing.
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So I decided to... build gardens. I'm the chairman of
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the Censor Gardens in Scotland. And Censor Gardens have got
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to be built for censored people who are suffering from dementia. Touch, feeling, smell, noise.
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They have to have special needs. And I do that.
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I thought the best thing to do, it goes on
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and on and on. You just don't know where we're
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going with this. But I finished my career in And
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I look back on it, the best days of my
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life were at Brecon. And I think you've always got
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your own special, probably, I don't know if Celtic was
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the best days of your life, but in my opinion,
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I then went to play for.
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You were saying you're 21 at Dunfermline then, so there's
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still a stretch there. Where do you go over the
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line into the coaching side and management?
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I know.
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Well, that was when were you done filming?
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What age? Early 90s? Yep.
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1990. No, 1990. That's 16.
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I would be about 29, 30 or something when we
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signed you when I went done filming. But I had
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went to... So how did you... Simon, be under no illusions.
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This is the biggest phenomenon in Scottish football that Dick
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Campbell is still I was a smoker I was a
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drinker I liked the smell of the perfume it didn't
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make me a fucking bad boy in any way never
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in your life dick ask anybody to play fucking dick
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coaching George Mackey I was talking to you last week
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at John Young 75th George Mackey George and Gordon Stratton
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as you know they've got the coaching school there and
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he was telling me when he played at Brecon.
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I used to have him with a throat every Saturday.
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But honestly, I had no time for guys. See if
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I run past somebody at Pat Tackleland. Fucking honestly, I
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wouldn't forget him at half time. That was my style,
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you know. And George agreed with me last week. He
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was saying Dick was phenomenal for us because I
argued
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with him every week. But see, after the game, we
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were the first two that went for a pint together.
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and we're still the best of pals to this day,
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but physically, I was ready to kill him every week
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because he was like a fanny about the ball. However,
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I went to Brecon. I played them for seven years. Then,
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would you believe, I took the player coaches to a...
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Ian Fleming came in, and you learn from that. Ian
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Fleming came in, decided at Brecon. Three days, put me in.
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I'm the captain. Dick, This is not what you're wanting
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to hear, but I'm going to play in your position, son.
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You don't need to go. Stirling's offering 7,000 and we've
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accepted it. 7,000. I just shook hands with him. That's fine.
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I'm not wanting it. I'm away, you know. I never
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enjoyed the player-manager thing. We got beat, would you believe it, coincidentally,
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half a fourth. 4-1 at East Stirling. Me, Bobby McCullough
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and all the boys were all playing for that. They
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had a good team then. Billy Lammont was the manager,
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I was the assistant. And we go wee for a while,
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and I was coming across the Forth Brig. Fuck this.
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It's not for me, I'm standing up there after the game,
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slaughtering players for their performance. And it dawned on me,
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I was the worst fucking man in the park. And
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I did, I phoned my chairman at East England. I
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stopped at Aberkeen.
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On the way here, that's enough for me.
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Yeah. I'll give you the money you've given me for
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signing on. I can't remember what it was. I'll give
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you the money back. I'm not going to put myself
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through that again. And would you believe it? Stubby, who
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was a manager there. Dougie Houston was my mentor. He
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was the man that got me involved. He used to
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think I had some qualities to be a coach, right? Anyway,
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so it goes then. My life was changing a wee bit,
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I was like, I worked in the dockyard and my
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plate had betrayed. And I got promotion there, I was
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an estimator. It was a good job, great job. I
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started missing five or six Mondays because my knee was
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sore and I just packed in the football because I
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had a young family to keep. But the Easterling thing, seriously.
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Stubby came in, phoned me at night. Dick, Stubby, I said, aye,
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what is this? He says, he'll be the first coach
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I've ever paid for. I said, aye, what's up? He says, uh,
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I agreed four thousand pounds. What are you staring at?
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I said, right, well do you know what you're talking
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to me? I'm the fucking man. And I went to
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a fairground for a lot of money man on YouTube
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so I goes there and I always remember Stubby said
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to me Dick let's make this quite plain you have
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no plain right I goes there and would you believe
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it after a month Stubby leaves fucking Ray Trollers I
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mean Ray Trollers then we must have the youngest team,
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Colin Harris, Craig Rose, Paul Smith, Keith Wright, honestly, there
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must have to be eight players under 20. Because I
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was like, I doubted them all. Big Elvis, all the boys,
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Donald Urquhart, they had a reasonable side. But anyway, Bobby
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Wilson came in, Vicky, and I was here for three
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years and enjoyed it. I don't know why. When I left,
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Breakin' to answer your coaching thing. I get a phone
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call from David Will, who's the chairman of Breakin'. But equally,
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he was the president of FIFA. Did you know that?
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David Will was the president of FIFA. If you look
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at the records, I'll show you. And that's why people,
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for me, disrespected Breakin' at the time because we're fucking sorry.
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You know the world. Fitbon, he's a great guy. He's
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a great guy. His wife, Margaret, she's got dementia now, actually. Anyway,
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David was there.
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So he phones me up and says to me, Dick.
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We would like to offer you the reserting job at Breakin'.
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What do you think? Eh, neither. I'm no coach, right?
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I'm fine, thanks very much. Just take that coach and
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up your arse, right? So what happened was, He says,
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it's a pity then, he says, because Andy Roxford and
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Craig Brown are continually asking if Dick would like to
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come down because I did a, after dinner or some
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fucking thing, doing it at Largs one time. So I said,
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why are they asking for me, David? He says, well,
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to be honest with you, Dick, we can all help
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you with your finance and I'm sure we'll give you
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some out-of-pocket expenses. I'm starting to think, fuck, there was
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an article in the Daily Record that week that Largs
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was the busiest fucking town, right, in Scotland. Eight birds
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to one boy, right? I'm like, oh, fuck, I'll try that.
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And that's how it happened. I'm telling you now, when
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I went to Largs, I was never, ever, for instance, Celtic,
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didn't they support larks? They never had forgot they were that,
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they just thought they were bigger than all that. So
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this was you.
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Down doing the role with the SFA then at larks?
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Well no, I decided to go to larks. To do
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your badges? To do my badges. To see the birds? Aye,
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I wear the birds and badges. I go high larks,
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dare letting somebody else tell you how good you were right.
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So the next year, I went, as I say, I
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went and took the Australian shirt on the next year.
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I went and set my B licence and my A
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licence and all that nice thing. And I got a
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high mark. Right. Not any higher than anybody else. But
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I did reasonably well. Never ever thinking for a minute that,
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as I said to you, I lived my life and
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football wasn't the most important thing to me. My family
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was the most important thing to me. I mean that.
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And the job I had and all the rest of
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it was great and it taught you. However, John Ritchie
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takes over at Brecon, and he comes in for me
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for a row. And my boss, God bless him, there
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wasn't a night that goes by in my life that
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I didn't think about him. He was just the best
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guy I ever met in life. And I went with
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him as assistant manager. So I went for a row
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just because I was happy. There was something in my
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mind about being happy.
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All right, guys, we are here at the Drygate Brewery
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in Glasgow filming a couple of podcasts. We'd just like
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to tell you about the 29th of November. Drygate is
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throwing a massive St Andrew's Day party and trust us,
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you don't want to miss this one. We're talking proper
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Scottish celebrations, brilliant entertainment, tenants stout.
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Have you tried that? Not yet. Not yet.
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Sponsoring the day, charity involvement in an atmosphere that will
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be hard to beat.
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I think they've been giving St Paddy's Day one for
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their money, sir. They will be.
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So get your pals together, get your Scottish pride out
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and get yourselves down to the Drygate. Email hello at drygate.co.uk
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on at Drygate on Instagram as well.
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So get yourselves down.
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In my life, seriously, I come to them telling things
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on YouTube and that made a big, big difference to
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me in my life. And I've known when I look
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back now and all the 11 promotions we've won, we
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have won, That'll never be beaten, boys. Never in your lifetime,
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in your life, will that ever be beaten. Three teams up,
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three leagues. That'll just never happen. Okay, you can turn
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around and be a wee bit derogative and say, at
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that level, you tell me the difference between managing fucking
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Hallabee's Halls and managing Stelwick. You've still got to do
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the best of what you've got. And we know that, right?
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So that was the... Turned out to be... Wait, you
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wouldn't believe this. John left C.R. Smith, he was a
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salesman at
C.R. Smith, and because my brother Ian was
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a non-family director at C.R. Smith, and C.R. Smith sponsored
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Rangers and Celtic. Right? Oh, fucking what a deal that
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was for them. I mean, it was fabulous. Absolute fabulous.
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I always remember going to shoot a Celtic game with
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Barry Payton. Right? We were at them filming at the time,
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and your man, McCann, who's there? Right, Fergus McCann, aye.
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And we're all sitting there at the hospitality, him with
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Jerry Eadie, you know, and I say, you know, and
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me and Bert are sitting, fucking, going down, you know,
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in a game of football, you know. In walks McCann,
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Fergus McCann, with about six or seven entourage behind him.
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Everybody in the hospitality seat stopped eating and stood up
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and started fucking clapping. No me and Bert. We never
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missed a boogie and totty. We never missed a totty.
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I laugh like fuck at that all the time. So, coaching.
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I left, I bought a pub. Right? And I bought
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another one. And I'm feeling, as I've said, as a player, fine, happy.
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And then, I bought a pub, Delt joined us, and
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I found out from my fucking second, right? So I
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got my family, and what do you believe it? Me
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and Bert went to work at fucking CR Smith. My
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brother Ian, he got us a job, honestly, you never
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had a fucking job. Talk about the pits, and doing
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work in the fucking pit face. That's what it was
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like doing in fucking CR Smith, I'm telling you that.
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I was on this machine, fucking bumping holes all fucking
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day I was the fittest fucking boy I did all
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I did was pull his press down the fucking board
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holes with bits of angle bar my brother Ian would
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walk past me with his fucking Gucci suit on and
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we didn't even say hi ever to her or none
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00:27:31.509 --> 00:27:35.170
it was my fucking John brother but well greatest story
474
00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:40.339
ever on night shift right we're only with a hundred
475
00:27:40.390 --> 00:27:44.400
fucking twenty pound a week right and there there's the
476
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.750
funniest boy ever seeing your leg, you know, funny, the
477
00:27:48.789 --> 00:27:52.529
driest thing there, Bert comes to Valleyfield, and seeing Valleyfield,
478
00:27:52.549 --> 00:27:55.029
they didn't shake your hands, they just say, how's it going,
479
00:27:55.109 --> 00:27:58.059
look at this, they always want to punch you, I said,
480
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:00.960
oh for fuck's sake, me and Bert are standing, anyway,
481
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:04.279
the phone goes, half past five, I'm getting picked up
482
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:08.440
at 26, to go to Nice, with Bert, I say,
483
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.400
here's my fucking piece of box, it's made up with
484
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.750
a ham sandwich, it's not a restator, Bert says, You
485
00:28:15.769 --> 00:28:16.390
starting up?
486
00:28:17.130 --> 00:28:21.640
I says, I've got a fucking dumb feeling, Joe. And
487
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:26.299
she straight said to me, you're fucking coming with me.
488
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.339
I says, are you kidding me?
489
00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:30.769
She says, no, and this is what you're doing. I says, well,
490
00:28:30.809 --> 00:28:33.470
I'll tell you, boys. I fucking went out the front green.
491
00:28:33.529 --> 00:28:36.869
I fucking booted that fucking peace box. The sea was
492
00:28:36.910 --> 00:28:39.890
going to catch it. I was fucking booting it. And
493
00:28:40.130 --> 00:28:43.029
the rest is history. When you think of it, by
494
00:28:43.049 --> 00:28:46.329
that time. But sorry, before... The reason I went with
495
00:28:46.369 --> 00:28:49.670
Bert was, I had the pub, and Bert and Wee Moe,
496
00:28:50.329 --> 00:28:54.380
I was Wee Moe's best man, right? And fucking Bert
497
00:28:54.410 --> 00:28:57.660
comes in to see me one night at the pub, right,
498
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:02.720
I'm going to go with the Recyf juniors, pretty big lads,
499
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.500
and I want you to come with me. I says, Bert,
500
00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:07.900
I got one night to have a fucking wee. Stick
501
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.490
your fucking juniors up your arse. And then I thought,
502
00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:12.990
wouldn't he say no? Wouldn't he say no? A couple
503
00:29:13.049 --> 00:29:16.410
of these fucking Moe comes in, I said we're here
504
00:29:16.470 --> 00:29:18.190
as well, I'll work to get you in the honour
505
00:29:18.609 --> 00:29:19.930
of this. So I said right well go down there
506
00:29:20.230 --> 00:29:24.420
and we went down. Fucking phenomenal record Bert had at
507
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.779
the juniors. I think we got to the quarter final
508
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:31.279
of the Scottish Cup and we got to two cup finals,
509
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.809
won the fucking driver of the cup. This was only
510
00:29:33.809 --> 00:29:38.079
two years, me and Bert, that was fucking fantastic, so,
511
00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:41.299
I had then left, and Bert had
left, and I
512
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.240
think they went defunct, because of the finances, and, that's
513
00:29:45.259 --> 00:29:48.599
how Bert confirmed me, to go to Dunfellin, and you know,
514
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.730
I can, with you guys, honestly, I could cut my finger,
515
00:29:56.609 --> 00:30:00.589
in nine years, how many training sessions, Bert took, And
516
00:30:00.609 --> 00:30:02.630
he says to himself, I took all the training. I
517
00:30:02.630 --> 00:30:07.140
took the training. That didn't make me better. His theory,
518
00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:11.339
and I'm telling you, you've been a miser. You've been
519
00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:17.779
a miser. His theory was brilliant. And I lived with that.
520
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:20.920
Why would I take the training? Dick's better than me.
521
00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:27.109
You could see that publicly. I said, hang on. Nobody,
522
00:30:27.289 --> 00:30:30.279
and I mean nobody, you boys can see that. the
523
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:35.250
best I've ever heard at fucking half-time. You remember, you've
524
00:30:35.289 --> 00:30:38.049
got 15 minutes to analyse the fucking, what's wrong and
525
00:30:38.069 --> 00:30:40.390
what's right, and the opposition, and the strengths and the weaknesses,
526
00:30:40.410 --> 00:30:45.710
and Peyton was fucking brilliant. And that was because, he,
527
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:48.299
and they dug it, and the rest of that. Bert
528
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.799
would go, fucking sort him out, fucking, that was me,
529
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.240
I was out fucking arguing with all the players. And
530
00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:57.720
Bert was just, evening training. Evening training, Bert would say
531
00:30:57.740 --> 00:31:02.720
to me, I think I've told you this, Watch that cunt, McCarthy. Hey,
532
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.039
watch Martin Amara. He's no buzz in the day, which
533
00:31:05.099 --> 00:31:10.400
is very unusual, but he's a bad example. Watch fucking Robertson,
534
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.619
lazy bastard, and all the rest of it. And I
535
00:31:13.660 --> 00:31:17.140
was a very aggressive coach. Hey, you, you're a cunt.
536
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:21.180
Jack will tell you. Then talk about Alec Ferguson's teacups.
537
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.680
You're a cunt. You fell out with me, you've got
538
00:31:22.700 --> 00:31:27.950
a problem, right? And I learned to become better than
539
00:31:27.990 --> 00:31:30.589
what I was. Just being no being so aggressive. Yeah.
540
00:31:31.089 --> 00:31:34.089
you know, but Peyton could fucking cut you in two
541
00:31:34.710 --> 00:31:37.430
with one-liners and fucking, didn't he? Top first fucker, he
542
00:31:37.450 --> 00:31:41.960
just used to hear you. So I learned from Burt,
543
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.059
and I didn't want the Dunfermline show. Well, I wouldn't
544
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.119
say I didn't want it, I was always getting the
545
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:52.740
Dunfermline show. They taught me, Burt, where they come, Burt, Peyton,
546
00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:54.920
Roy Wood and so on, they all knew I was
547
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.480
going to take the Dunfermline show. But I didn't even,
548
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.180
they didn't want me going. And I thought Burt left
549
00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:03.079
far too early. He started, you know, he was getting
550
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.440
a bit of a stick in there and I said,
551
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.269
Bert's that much a gentleman. He thought the best thing
552
00:32:08.309 --> 00:32:11.009
to do was leave the club and the club would benefit.
553
00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:13.789
And I didn't see it like that at all. I
554
00:32:13.809 --> 00:32:17.029
didn't see it like that. And of course, in the meantime,
555
00:32:18.690 --> 00:32:19.430
we sold Jackie.
556
00:32:19.470 --> 00:32:20.529
It was about the same time.
557
00:32:20.750 --> 00:32:24.759
It was about the same time. Around about that time. Well,
558
00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:30.279
Jackie played for Chalky right back. And I fell in
559
00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:30.859
love with him.
560
00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:33.390
What's your first memories of this guy then?
561
00:32:33.690 --> 00:32:33.779
Aye.
562
00:32:33.990 --> 00:32:35.450
Coming in.
563
00:32:35.490 --> 00:32:38.839
Oh, he was here when we went there. And there
564
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.359
was not a fucking problem. I fell in love with
565
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.500
Jake and that's still to this day very friendly and
566
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.740
Andrew Todd and him were fucking great. I can't remember
567
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:53.599
where I'm fucking staying honest. Fucking dirty. Jake would only
568
00:32:53.619 --> 00:32:56.920
be about fucking 19 or something. Eh? 18 or 19? No,
569
00:32:57.019 --> 00:33:00.650
I was... Younger? 20, 21, aye?
570
00:33:00.809 --> 00:33:05.809
It ended up being my kind of stag, if you like.
571
00:33:05.950 --> 00:33:07.650
I was always getting married when you were in a wedding.
572
00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:11.109
It was fucking hilarious. Bert says to me, watch these
573
00:33:11.170 --> 00:33:14.339
two cunts. I says, what are you talking about? Matt
574
00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:17.039
and Amara and Todd, I didn't see them at all.
575
00:33:17.059 --> 00:33:20.480
They're wanting these fucking, they're always wanting money. What the
576
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.759
fuck are they doing? They're no gambling. They were on
577
00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:29.279
these fucking wee scooters. It was costing a fortune. Fucking hilarious.
578
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.849
But we did, Jake. I've written in this book where,
579
00:33:38.029 --> 00:33:41.269
and I'm not flattering and I'm not embarrassing Jacqui, who
580
00:33:41.289 --> 00:33:43.619
was the best driver I had and it was Jacqui.
581
00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:45.359
Do you know why Simon?
582
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:53.099
Pure and simple, natural enthusiasm for life, more importantly for football.
583
00:33:53.619 --> 00:33:55.640
He had a fucking natural, I don't have an opinion,
584
00:33:57.369 --> 00:33:59.349
You get that after you play 10 years at Celtic
585
00:33:59.430 --> 00:34:01.630
and you go into management. When I had him, he
586
00:34:01.650 --> 00:34:06.109
was a fucking young laddie, right? And a natural enthusiasm.
587
00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:11.260
Natural meaning, it's going to get better. Same with your ability.
588
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.400
You need not ever deny your ability at Celtic Park.
589
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:18.099
These are the days when you leave back and you think, fucking,
590
00:34:18.139 --> 00:34:22.929
I never agreed. Anyway, we had fuck all at Dunfermline.
591
00:34:23.130 --> 00:34:26.230
No money at all. We didnae. We signed fucking Evo
592
00:34:26.389 --> 00:34:29.110
on a free. Honestly, I can't remember who the fuck
593
00:34:29.130 --> 00:34:31.960
we signed. We got rid of Mosey. We got rid
594
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:35.420
of fucking Billy. Billy Davis, right. Davis. We got rid
595
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.179
of the boy who went to Marlborough with a kind
596
00:34:37.219 --> 00:34:41.940
of midfield player fucking check. I can't remember. Anyway, because
597
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:47.119
we couldn't afford them, right? Scott Weach. Scott Weach. Aye.
598
00:34:47.789 --> 00:34:49.889
We get, you know, this is what we had today.
599
00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:54.090
Signed fucking Stevie Campbell came. I can't remember a pair
600
00:34:54.150 --> 00:34:57.800
of bits. Evo fucking came as a free transfer from Montrose.
601
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:04.400
We signed Toddy for two fucking grand for Kelty. What
602
00:35:04.460 --> 00:35:07.760
a fucking signing that, honestly. He was big. Toddy was
603
00:35:07.820 --> 00:35:08.570
a big player.
604
00:35:08.610 --> 00:35:10.670
He was still there when I came to Dunfermline.
605
00:35:10.690 --> 00:35:12.250
Aye, he would be, aye. He would be. He was
606
00:35:12.329 --> 00:35:14.829
a good signing. Well, we had some fucking great time.
607
00:35:14.849 --> 00:35:16.849
We had a great time. Do you know what we did?
608
00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:19.329
There was quite a lot of senior players with you.
609
00:35:19.789 --> 00:35:22.769
Aye, well, that's... So, we were really... You know, we
610
00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:23.269
had the baby.
611
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:26.159
That was, actually that was the one thing that I
612
00:35:26.179 --> 00:35:29.239
was kind of, you know, glad that I'd left at
613
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.579
that point. Because I left in October and then Norrie
614
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.400
passed in January. And I couldn't imagine being in the club,
615
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.639
you know, at that point. Having gone in every day.
616
00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:42.960
It must have been really tough for you. That must
617
00:35:42.980 --> 00:35:45.659
have been
the hardest thing in your career at that time.
618
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:52.139
I tell a story about it. Bertie, I loved fucking Norrie.
619
00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:55.809
He joked he didn't play nobody. No, he didn't. And
620
00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:59.889
he was a cunt. Anyway, see Bert. See the day
621
00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:09.880
that it all happened. I fucking looked after the players.
622
00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:15.900
Half the fucking players. Bert didn't like fucking players going
623
00:36:15.940 --> 00:36:17.420
out to see him and all the rest of it.
624
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:21.119
He'd always turn and say, I fucking see Dak. He'll
625
00:36:21.139 --> 00:36:24.849
fucking sort it out. He'll sort it out. And if
626
00:36:24.869 --> 00:36:27.190
the police had fucking done something wrong or something, I would,
627
00:36:28.170 --> 00:36:31.090
I'd already all fucking sort it out, and I would
628
00:36:31.130 --> 00:36:33.869
tell Bert a different fucking story. But Bert knows the
629
00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:41.510
fucking crack, you know. But that day, the minibus left
630
00:36:41.590 --> 00:36:44.760
at fucking 10 o'clock, right? Well, I was on it,
631
00:36:44.789 --> 00:36:46.849
or no fucking way I was on it. I blew
632
00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:49.690
the whistle and said, hey, fucking bus, what's going on
633
00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:53.849
with you? Maybe fucking 10 past 10. I'm still up
634
00:36:53.869 --> 00:36:56.199
there in the bus the way down. So I'm fucking
635
00:36:56.219 --> 00:37:03.179
doing the warm-ups. Fucking phone goes. I'm going to the door.
636
00:37:06.099 --> 00:37:08.039
One of the officers shouts, I can't remember who the
637
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:09.010
fuck it was.
638
00:37:09.570 --> 00:37:12.329
Dick, there's a phone call here. You need to take it.
639
00:37:13.289 --> 00:37:18.489
It's at 10 past 10. There's one car. Dick. I says,
640
00:37:18.670 --> 00:37:21.969
where is the gun? Where is he? I'm going to
641
00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:24.210
tell him to go fucking straight down to the train
642
00:37:24.429 --> 00:37:26.150
and I'll bring some fucking kit with him because that's
643
00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:30.030
what you do. Come on. No, I don't. Nobody can
644
00:37:30.050 --> 00:37:33.659
see where he is. Nobody's been paid. Not a fucking,
645
00:37:34.059 --> 00:37:36.039
he came out of the crackers, he's a fucking alarm
646
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:39.239
staff and not wanting to be paid. And he's worried.
647
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.199
And I says, oh for fuck's sake, I said, look John,
648
00:37:45.219 --> 00:37:47.159
see when he gets here, fucking get him down there
649
00:37:47.179 --> 00:37:49.170
and I'll cover his arse down. I'll tell him he's
650
00:37:49.190 --> 00:37:50.849
got a niggling wee injury and he's doing a wee
651
00:37:50.869 --> 00:37:54.309
run round the park. And that's the consequence. The next
652
00:37:54.329 --> 00:37:57.710
thing I knew, when I come back, that he had
653
00:37:57.750 --> 00:38:03.179
passed away. And I'll fucking, I can write a book
654
00:38:03.219 --> 00:38:06.880
about fucking Norrie, I can assure you. But a beautiful,
655
00:38:06.940 --> 00:38:09.519
beautiful woman. He went to fucking, he went to Spain,
656
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.869
that's the bug. He went to Spain, that's the bug.
657
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.139
He was knackin' the boys' fuckin' knickers in the rest
658
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.760
of the year. He was a clarty big brother. He
659
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:21.829
was a clarty clint, wasn't he? He was a clarty
660
00:38:21.909 --> 00:38:24.130
big brother. A great, great, Bert loved him because he
661
00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:26.010
was a great player. Great competitor.
662
00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:30.349
I just remember you'd just signed for Celtic and we'd
663
00:38:30.429 --> 00:38:31.170
a night through.
664
00:38:31.190 --> 00:38:34.170
At his club, Harry. Nico's went up to the club.
665
00:38:34.329 --> 00:38:36.210
Right, and you introduced me to him. That was the
666
00:38:36.269 --> 00:38:37.329
one before.
667
00:38:37.349 --> 00:38:37.889
Was that so?
668
00:38:38.610 --> 00:38:41.530
So, Jack had just signed for Celtic and obviously we
669
00:38:41.570 --> 00:38:42.460
got on well and.
670
00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:45.380
Thank you for inviting me through we went to his
671
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:51.099
nightclub and he introduced me to Norrie in probably.
672
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:54.579
November, December time he went and passed in the January
673
00:38:55.260 --> 00:39:00.039
I left in October who was his big pal? Winker
674
00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:02.119
introduced us that night I remember and then not long
675
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:02.860
after that.
676
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.000
Him and Winker and Norrie couldn't put a deal on
677
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:08.780
a sugar moose how the fuck we had three pups
678
00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:13.909
seriously but they were they went and did everything you
679
00:39:13.929 --> 00:39:15.559
know and.
680
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.000
Is that your hardest thing to have dealt with in
681
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.599
management then that obviously loss of a player that's tragic.
682
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.150
In terms of losing a guy like him.
683
00:39:27.989 --> 00:39:32.639
I I dealt with it I went to the funeral
684
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.360
but I didn't go out on the park Bert didn't
685
00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:42.119
he couldn't say a word one of the things that
686
00:39:42.139 --> 00:39:46.420
you can talk about it was the game after we
687
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.530
went to Clyde Bank and we were fucking four long up.
688
00:39:51.170 --> 00:39:53.289
They put it back to 4-4 and we fucking scored
689
00:39:53.309 --> 00:39:56.210
in the last minute to make it 5-4. It was
690
00:39:56.269 --> 00:39:57.829
not it winning the game that day, everyone had them
691
00:39:57.849 --> 00:40:00.909
said that.
They were all giving it a hard fucking,
692
00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:03.670
at 4-4 somebody got injured and the players come out
693
00:40:03.690 --> 00:40:07.590
and start fucking nodding, seriously. And it was just the
694
00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:11.369
strangest fucking thing you've ever seen in your life, you know.
695
00:40:12.530 --> 00:40:17.320
I've had a few close calls in my life with
696
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.360
my friends Aye, as a.
697
00:40:19.340 --> 00:40:22.099
Coach, yeah, you would have to deal with that.
698
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:23.639
It's all the.
699
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:25.219
Stuff away for the game, eh? It's all the stuff
700
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.440
that's away for.
701
00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:30.719
The football side. Aye. When you think he done fell
702
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:36.010
on Simon, I'd make no matter. I mean, that fucking
703
00:40:36.030 --> 00:40:36.630
left all the.
704
00:40:36.530 --> 00:40:41.030
Debt off of rugby just fucking, you know.
705
00:40:41.829 --> 00:40:45.090
Fucking Bob McCullough, 450 fucking grand to go to Aberdeen.
706
00:40:45.369 --> 00:40:49.210
I always remember I sent him to fucking The agent,
707
00:40:49.269 --> 00:40:54.150
I think it was Bill Mimardo, was it? Bursy says,
708
00:40:54.210 --> 00:40:58.420
who's that Dick, who's that? It's Bill, it's fucking Bob's dad.
709
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:04.559
Big Bob McCulloch, right? Dick, Dick, go and sort that out,
710
00:41:04.579 --> 00:41:07.619
can't you? So he goes, yeah, he says, right, Bill. Oh,
711
00:41:07.659 --> 00:41:09.730
my new Dick, this is what he said to me.
712
00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:14.900
We're negotiating a fucking deal. You're going to look after
713
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.019
my boy? because he's needing money, and you look at him,
714
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.599
and I kind of pissed myself laughing when I went in,
715
00:41:21.619 --> 00:41:24.300
you know. He got a few pubs. Bob was a great,
716
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.280
great player. If he hadn't had his intestines and everything off,
717
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:30.969
I can tell you, he would have been a classic, eh?
718
00:41:31.690 --> 00:41:34.409
You mind it, Bob? Aye. Scopical. And then, of course,
719
00:41:36.150 --> 00:41:39.909
we signed fucking Andy Smart. For 75,000, he broke his fucking,
720
00:41:40.289 --> 00:41:42.789
he broke his fucking leg in the first fucking game.
721
00:41:43.469 --> 00:41:47.030
And then, we settled today, Where did he go? Didn't
722
00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:48.679
you meet him or did he go to England? He
723
00:41:48.699 --> 00:41:51.420
went to Borsford, I'm talking about. Fuck it. He went
724
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:55.760
to Bradford. Why I wasn't, Bradford could shout. I'm telling you,
725
00:41:55.780 --> 00:42:02.360
they made a few bob, right? You can talk about
726
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.550
Jimmy Collins with any day you want. I would also
727
00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:12.690
say to you, we got promotion. That was fucking serious.
728
00:42:13.730 --> 00:42:17.489
I remember day before the game, playing AirJet at fucking
729
00:42:17.550 --> 00:42:19.849
East End Park, caught a one-tee, playing in the league,
730
00:42:19.889 --> 00:42:21.809
never been in the fucking live in the telly before
731
00:42:21.829 --> 00:42:24.449
in my life, Meris Baird, Meris used to be on
732
00:42:24.469 --> 00:42:29.750
the Brady, fucking, phone watty, I says, I'm no fucking
733
00:42:29.809 --> 00:42:32.070
phone watty, they just won seven in a row, you know,
734
00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:35.050
what do you want me to phone watty? Well, me
735
00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:38.280
ain't nobody doing something, He's fucking been in this position before.
736
00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:42.719
Anything goes to make it an advantage. Oh, for fuck's sake.
737
00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:44.909
Phone's up, what are you on? What are you on?
738
00:42:45.429 --> 00:42:49.010
Fucking Perks, get away, phone you. Why didn't you tell
739
00:42:49.050 --> 00:42:52.289
me today? Is there any advice you'd give us to
740
00:42:52.329 --> 00:42:53.769
give us a wee advantage?
741
00:42:53.809 --> 00:42:55.789
He says, Dick, I can't tell you anything. He says,
742
00:42:55.869 --> 00:42:57.699
I've never managed at the diddy level.
743
00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:03.940
Oh, fuck, he picked himself up. Now tell me about it.
744
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.690
He picked himself up as well. Fucking absolutely. You can
745
00:43:07.710 --> 00:43:11.050
get away with that sort of stuff, Hugh. Hi, guys.
746
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.019
As you probably well know by now, we have signed
747
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:19.059
up for the London Marathon next April, and we have
748
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.059
some fantastic people supporting us, groups supporting us.
749
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.340
We're doing it for a fantastic cause, or two causes.
750
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:24.980
Who are we doing it for?
751
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:30.130
We're doing it for Headway UK. And the Concilium Sports Foundation. Yep.
752
00:43:30.369 --> 00:43:33.909
So we're going to have some updated videos of our
753
00:43:33.989 --> 00:43:37.130
progress and our training and everything else it takes to
754
00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:38.349
get us over the line.
755
00:43:38.789 --> 00:43:40.750
He's emphasised that time doesn't matter.
756
00:43:40.769 --> 00:43:42.110
I probably agree.
757
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:43.820
As long as we complete it.
758
00:43:43.989 --> 00:43:49.599
There'll be a link in the bio for any charity donations.
759
00:43:49.900 --> 00:43:51.320
We're going to be raising as much money as we
760
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.440
can over the next period of time. Our training starts
761
00:43:54.579 --> 00:43:58.539
very soon. And yeah, look forward to some updates on here.
762
00:43:58.780 --> 00:44:06.360
Hopefully no injuries. And then, the crazy thing. Seriously. I
763
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.860
suppose I write, I've got that book coming out with
764
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.389
the bunnets back and you's all got to fucking mention
765
00:44:12.429 --> 00:44:13.829
certainly the....
766
00:44:16.829 --> 00:44:18.750
I got sacked at Dunfermline and we're tough as a
767
00:44:18.750 --> 00:44:19.210
fucking league.
768
00:44:20.449 --> 00:44:26.329
Right? And I got sacked for a reason. And nobody, well,
769
00:44:26.690 --> 00:44:29.239
I'm telling you now, you can fucking make it public
770
00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:33.519
if you like. I got a phone call from Roy Woodrow.
771
00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:39.380
My chairman, Roy Woodrow owned the football club and he
772
00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:43.340
was a gentleman. He always knew Bert was teaching me
773
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:48.139
to be a fucking manager. He phones me up and says, Dick,
774
00:44:48.610 --> 00:44:51.349
I've got good news and I've certainly got bad news.
775
00:44:52.090 --> 00:44:55.860
I've sold all my shares. To fucking... Was that the
776
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:56.300
good news?
777
00:44:57.260 --> 00:45:00.000
To John fucking.
778
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.840
What's his name fucking? Matt Sturton? No, Gavin Matt Sturton
779
00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:09.260
was there. What was his name? John fucking... Anyway, I
780
00:45:09.820 --> 00:45:15.940
can't remember. It's generally done fairly. I said, what's the
781
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.090
bad news? He says, he's not wanting you. I said,
782
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.610
what do you mean? No, he's wanting Leishman and Craig Robertson.
783
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.019
They used to work with him at the site and
784
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:33.320
all the rest of the time. Yorkshire? Yorkshire. You fucking
785
00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:38.690
can't believe that. I'm talking about the league. So, we
786
00:45:38.710 --> 00:45:41.570
go beat fucking, we go beat 3-1 that day at
787
00:45:41.590 --> 00:45:44.750
St Mirren, at St Mirren. And that was our first
788
00:45:44.769 --> 00:45:47.190
defeat for the season. St Mirren went on to win
789
00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:50.739
it with nine points and Dunfermline got up in second place.
790
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.179
Big old difference. Nine points behind them.
791
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.250
Jimmy Calderwood in charge. And they're never ever.
792
00:45:57.030 --> 00:45:59.130
That day we got beat up, I fucking said my piece,
793
00:45:59.369 --> 00:46:00.860
and I come out the fucking side and told you,
794
00:46:00.869 --> 00:46:03.730
I couldn't join yours, and he was fucking like... I
795
00:46:03.769 --> 00:46:07.090
didn't like that. You ask what you are, you fucking protect.
796
00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:10.210
I'm saying it, he's right, he's fucksy. He's the easiest thing,
797
00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:12.409
he was a fucking... They're going to get any cunt
798
00:46:12.429 --> 00:46:13.909
better than me to keep them up, but it's not
799
00:46:13.929 --> 00:46:18.030
going to happen. But anyway, it's another story. And then
800
00:46:18.090 --> 00:46:23.090
I sit back, and when we then go... 19 managers
801
00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:29.900
in 21 years. 19 managers in 21 year and I
802
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.920
never got an interview.
803
00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:36.659
After my record. I know the reasons for that.
804
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.880
People like Dom Fellin, they're still running the book. They
805
00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:44.400
like what fucking Dick says to them because I tell
806
00:46:44.420 --> 00:46:45.159
them the fucking truth.
807
00:46:45.619 --> 00:46:46.300
When's your book out?
808
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.860
It should be out in the next couple of weeks.
809
00:46:49.699 --> 00:46:50.320
What's it called?
810
00:46:50.900 --> 00:46:53.239
The Bonnet's Back. I won't tell you about the book.
811
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:55.280
I won't throw it away, isn't it?
812
00:46:55.969 --> 00:46:59.480
I mean the big surprise for.
813
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:00.320
Me you'll be paying £ 9.
814
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.099
99 I'll get in bargain boots.
815
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.800
You can pick me up and take me out again
816
00:47:06.820 --> 00:47:09.579
he usually picks me up at the door and drives
817
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:15.309
me home sorry it's for dementia time and my mum
818
00:47:15.389 --> 00:47:19.130
and dad died and we decided.
819
00:47:20.309 --> 00:47:23.090
I can't even believe it because fucking Boney you know
820
00:47:23.110 --> 00:47:26.789
I always say my Boney's best man Boney I'm away,
821
00:47:27.489 --> 00:47:33.260
a fortnight ago, three weeks ago, they've asked me to,
822
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.920
Stirling Council have asked me to present the Hall of
823
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:44.639
Fame trophies to four players, Boney, Billy Bremner, Alex Smith
824
00:47:45.070 --> 00:47:48.530
and Dalton Ferguson. They fucking asked me. So I went
825
00:47:48.550 --> 00:47:51.070
through them, what a fucking great night it was, but Boney,
826
00:47:51.889 --> 00:47:54.739
Boney's a funny, well you, I don't know. It's the
827
00:47:54.860 --> 00:47:56.849
funniest way you've ever met your fucking... There never a
828
00:47:56.929 --> 00:47:58.690
night goes by that I didn't say goodnight, Jim.
829
00:47:58.710 --> 00:47:59.190
Don't think at all.
830
00:48:00.590 --> 00:48:04.809
Settle down, Dick. Dick. There's no decision to be made
831
00:48:04.829 --> 00:48:07.110
because there's no decision to be made. You can't used
832
00:48:07.130 --> 00:48:09.789
to say that to me every day. The fuck's all
833
00:48:09.869 --> 00:48:14.849
that about? Jimmy was going to you and... Fucking ripped
834
00:48:14.889 --> 00:48:17.570
him up with a piece of... He doesn't mean that.
835
00:48:17.610 --> 00:48:20.849
I love to go out and fucking park in a
836
00:48:20.849 --> 00:48:24.090
bag of balls. I'm telling you. So I've no complaints
837
00:48:24.150 --> 00:48:25.530
about the boys.
838
00:48:26.429 --> 00:48:27.469
So all the.
839
00:48:27.369 --> 00:48:31.429
Years, all the characters that you've had, so when you
840
00:48:31.449 --> 00:48:35.070
started to today, obviously it's been, what, two weeks since
841
00:48:35.090 --> 00:48:40.190
you've left East Fife. The difference in football from that time,
842
00:48:40.590 --> 00:48:43.289
in terms of the player, having to deal with them
843
00:48:43.369 --> 00:48:47.750
in management, there must be, I mean, we finished, what,
844
00:48:47.750 --> 00:48:49.159
10 years ago, management?
845
00:48:49.909 --> 00:48:54.769
I was skin of it. Aye. I remember talking to
846
00:48:54.789 --> 00:48:55.420
you a lot about it.
847
00:48:55.429 --> 00:48:58.769
Absolutely scurred about it. I mean, even in 10 years,
848
00:48:58.789 --> 00:49:01.960
I mean, you look at the stuff now, like Martin
849
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:06.719
O'Neill was called a dinosaur because these players want to
850
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:08.500
hold their hands and tell them where to play and
851
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.300
where to do this or where to pass it, the philosophies.
852
00:49:11.929 --> 00:49:15.769
Whereas going back to when I played under guys like
853
00:49:15.789 --> 00:49:19.610
yourself and Bert and even Martin, it was getting the
854
00:49:19.630 --> 00:49:22.340
best of it. players you knew your job but now
855
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:25.000
you've got to hold the hands I mean that's obviously
856
00:49:25.099 --> 00:49:28.980
even harder at part time than full time you know
857
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.260
what I mean so for now the modern player has
858
00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:35.539
to be told where to pass the ball where to
859
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.550
receive it what to do how to you know did
860
00:49:38.570 --> 00:49:43.199
that know Does that not put you off? It's even
861
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.199
harder when you go down the levels. See, you've got
862
00:49:45.219 --> 00:49:47.429
the ready-made players. You can say, right, this is what
863
00:49:47.449 --> 00:49:50.489
we're doing today. But when you go down, for you
864
00:49:50.510 --> 00:49:53.710
to stay in the game for so long, you must be.
865
00:49:53.710 --> 00:49:58.889
42 years. Could you believe that? No. I get your point.
866
00:49:58.989 --> 00:50:03.449
I get your point. Don't forget when I'm managing you guys,
867
00:50:04.989 --> 00:50:08.050
you guys had an in-built natural enthusiasm for the game. Mm-hmm.
868
00:50:08.579 --> 00:50:10.719
And you knew you had to do things. If I
869
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:13.559
played Simon, and I played him when the wide player,
870
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.300
Simon had to do something with the ball when he
871
00:50:15.340 --> 00:50:18.699
got it. But the big thing you've got nowadays is
872
00:50:19.300 --> 00:50:21.659
the Simon Donalds of this fucking world have got to
873
00:50:21.699 --> 00:50:24.570
go back to the park. I know. And it's alien
874
00:50:24.610 -->
00:50:26.349
to them. I'm not saying it's alien to Simon because
875
00:50:26.409 --> 00:50:29.309
he doesn't want to be there. He's got something in
876
00:50:29.329 --> 00:50:32.309
his forward play that could fucking give us a goal
877
00:50:32.329 --> 00:50:36.829
scoring opportunity. Whereas you in your time, you played at
878
00:50:36.889 --> 00:50:40.630
a time where Overlapping fucking full-back, you see. Fucking five
879
00:50:40.690 --> 00:50:44.159
at the back, fucking, honestly. You just bomb fucking forward
880
00:50:44.179 --> 00:50:47.940
all day. See, now, I'm sitting watching the game of
881
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.739
football everywhere I go now. I sit and watch the
882
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:56.159
telly every night. We need goalkeepers that can play fucking one-twos.
883
00:50:56.179 --> 00:50:58.719
You're passing the ball back to fucking goalies. And for me,
884
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:02.599
that's only given an opportunity for the opposition to press.
885
00:51:02.739 --> 00:51:03.059
And then.
886
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.039
What they're doing is, I asked a question to Alec
887
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:15.030
Ferguson six months ago. I'll put that in the book.
888
00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:20.630
They want to penetrate on fucking the quick reaction of
889
00:51:20.650 --> 00:51:23.829
getting bought out of the fucking park. Fucked you up
890
00:51:23.869 --> 00:51:25.630
out on it. I've not got a clue how you
891
00:51:25.650 --> 00:51:30.110
do it. I was accused once, maybe you would agree
892
00:51:30.139 --> 00:51:36.349
with me, is that we played a long ball Right?
893
00:51:37.030 --> 00:51:38.849
It worked for us. We used to have Toddy up front.
894
00:51:38.869 --> 00:51:42.210
Maybe it didn't be on fucking Andy Smith. Play the
895
00:51:42.230 --> 00:51:45.710
long ball. As long as it doesn't come back, we
896
00:51:45.869 --> 00:51:49.010
had to coach players. If the ball went forward over
897
00:51:49.050 --> 00:51:52.250
the middle third to the forward third, I'm wanting fucking
898
00:51:52.269 --> 00:51:56.090
strikers to hold the fucking ball or get a territorial advantage.
899
00:51:56.829 --> 00:51:58.869
And then the ball goes over the middle field, players
900
00:51:58.969 --> 00:52:01.969
fucking let's go and penetrate. It wasn't a fancy fucking
901
00:52:02.050 --> 00:52:04.699
one-twos and all the rest of it. It was fucking...
902
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.369
And it worked. Because what people forgot to ask was,
903
00:52:08.750 --> 00:52:11.909
the fucking opposition's got to stop you. Dealing with that
904
00:52:11.969 --> 00:52:15.820
fucking long ball. And I think it's quite exciting, you know.
905
00:52:16.340 --> 00:52:19.440
But I don't think it's exciting watching today's game. Can
906
00:52:19.820 --> 00:52:23.380
you look at this mate, fucking, I hope I'm not
907
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.420
spitting you a term here. Ah, look at that fuck.
908
00:52:25.579 --> 00:52:31.940
What about all this fucking shaking horns after games? Going
909
00:52:32.010 --> 00:52:34.289
on the park and fucking cuddling cunts and going over
910
00:52:34.309 --> 00:52:37.130
shit here. If I got fucking beat, the last time
911
00:52:37.210 --> 00:52:40.090
I wanted to do is fucking shake their hands. I
912
00:52:40.110 --> 00:52:40.730
didn't get that.
913
00:52:40.769 --> 00:52:42.440
Swapping jerseys for helping them up.
914
00:52:42.449 --> 00:52:47.070
Fucking Joe. Oh, what is this? Fuck. Fuck me. It's
915
00:52:47.130 --> 00:52:51.550
helping them up. Get it yourself. Exactly. Come on, son.
916
00:52:51.829 --> 00:52:57.199
It wasn't that bad. It was like the Eddie Cunningham.
917
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:01.420
The Eddie Cunningham. I was actually speaking. I did that
918
00:53:01.460 --> 00:53:04.199
last week. You'll never believe that. You remember Eddie Cunningham? Yeah.
919
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.139
His daughter worked behind the bar at a dinner. I
920
00:53:08.179 --> 00:53:10.179
was fucking speaking to her. She comes up, she's got
921
00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:14.679
a wee glass cap out. You didn't came me in, oh?
922
00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:18.170
I've not got a clue. My dad's Eddie Connick. For
923
00:53:18.250 --> 00:53:20.889
fuck's sake. Tell me a fucking story about it, right?
924
00:53:21.269 --> 00:53:23.710
He's playing for Dunfell and Bert's in the... Koyce told
925
00:53:23.829 --> 00:53:27.550
me this one, right? Koyce's in the dugout. I can't
926
00:53:27.610 --> 00:53:30.059
remember who the manager was. It might have been Lottie.
927
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:31.659
Bert Tate and Dick Cummings in this dugout, right?
928
00:53:32.269 --> 00:53:34.369
And we're playing Rangers at fucking East End Park, you know,
929
00:53:34.429 --> 00:53:35.090
I like it with the two.
930
00:53:35.010 --> 00:53:38.449
Doggos, so we're right in the half, ain't we? Of course, yeah.
931
00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:43.139
You can't, when you've got an outside right for fucking Holland,
932
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.079
what do you have played for fucking Rangers? You can't
933
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.780
have them losing. Hustra. Eh? Peter Hustra. No, fucking, can
934
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.460
you play a ref? Dutch. Eh? Dutch. Jan Bronckhorst. Newman. No,
935
00:53:53.539 --> 00:53:56.360
I've fucking played for Rangers, for fuck's sake. Newman. Eh?
936
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:57.400
Arthur Newman.
937
00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:02.440
No. When you're a fucking outside right or, Can't believe it.
938
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:03.320
Come on, son.
939
00:54:05.059 --> 00:54:05.610
Van Vossen.
940
00:54:07.150 --> 00:54:09.570
Who's the one that played alongside Gascon? Fucking.
941
00:54:10.190 --> 00:54:10.849
Oh, Loudrop.
942
00:54:10.869 --> 00:54:19.800
Loudrop. He's Irish. He's Irish, right? Fucking... Well... He's fucking... Honestly,
943
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.739
we had this getting a fucking dune out of Forsyth.
944
00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:25.739
Fucking diving into the tackle and I said, Bert's fucking
945
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.599
going to like it. Gets him in at half-time and
946
00:54:28.659 --> 00:54:31.730
he says, see, I can't See if you dive in,
947
00:54:31.789 --> 00:54:34.880
I fucking told you before the game, I told you yesterday,
948
00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:37.500
I told you the day before it, didn't fucking dive
949
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.239
into him, get tight to him, I didn't fucking tackle him.
950
00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:42.719
You see, I can't, he's fucking, that's his legs, he's
951
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:44.820
tying him in a fucking reef knot, I can't, the
952
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:48.409
game starts, and it bursts on like that, fucking cush,
953
00:54:49.389 --> 00:54:51.489
and it's pushing rain, right, and there's a big fucking
954
00:54:51.550 --> 00:54:55.510
huddle right in front of us, and the fucking ball
955
00:54:55.530 --> 00:54:57.309
gets played to a loud drop, and he's fucking waiting
956
00:54:57.329 --> 00:54:59.130
that one, coming that one, and I can't, he's got
957
00:54:59.150 --> 00:55:01.170
the earth, He thinks he's getting to the first area
958
00:55:01.190 --> 00:55:03.469
he's going against. He's a chance to fucking do him.
959
00:55:03.630 --> 00:55:07.849
He comes fucking belting in. Loudon just fucking flicks it
960
00:55:07.889 --> 00:55:11.730
through his fucking legs, right? He kept him fucking going, right?
961
00:55:11.949 --> 00:55:14.269
The fucking doggie. And he's up like that and he's
962
00:55:14.309 --> 00:55:17.389
looking at Bert. Bert's like, yeah, cunt. Then he wants
963
00:55:17.409 --> 00:55:21.300
to go to sport by night, son. I'm talking stupid
964
00:55:21.340 --> 00:55:23.659
fucking thing to say. But I can't cost him a
965
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.699
fucking person. So I'm laughing at that.
966
00:55:26.739 --> 00:55:27.380
So that was the.
967
00:55:29.269 --> 00:55:32.570
The time when we won the, when.
968
00:55:32.449 --> 00:55:34.750
We got promotion to the Premier League. Anyway, can I
969
00:55:34.789 --> 00:55:35.929
talk to you about.
970
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.760
Management? You've got to earn the right to have an
971
00:55:42.820 --> 00:55:46.239
opinion on other people. If you want to start talking
972
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.489
about other people, you better be right. I don't do it.
973
00:55:49.730 --> 00:55:51.750
I don't do it in the press. I don't do it.
974
00:55:53.010 --> 00:55:54.409
I wouldn't do it with you boys knowing me to
975
00:55:54.429 --> 00:55:58.940
respect me for that. Football's the hardest game in the
976
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:02.219
world as a manager. I mean, nowadays, who the fuck,
977
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.980
I've been the luckiest guy in the world, boys. I
978
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.340
wasn't a good player. I wasn't particularly good at any
979
00:56:08.380 --> 00:56:11.639
fucking thing, to be honest, but 42 years, and I'm still,
980
00:56:11.659 --> 00:56:13.760
do you know what I'm saying? You still got the
981
00:56:13.780 --> 00:56:14.159
hunger for it?
982
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:15.530
You still got the hunger for it?
983
00:56:15.550 --> 00:56:16.409
Fucking naturally.
984
00:56:16.429 --> 00:56:17.199
You want to get back in?
985
00:56:17.489 --> 00:56:19.809
Somebody was at me that day. Now, I've been offered
986
00:56:19.889 --> 00:56:23.949
a job. I'm not surprised. I've been offered a job,
987
00:56:24.409 --> 00:56:32.260
big job, but it's not in the dugout. To look
988
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:38.849
after a Premier League club's fucking, they've got soccer schools
989
00:56:38.889 --> 00:56:42.050
all over Scotland and England and they want me to
990
00:56:42.170 --> 00:56:48.239
oversee the coaching of the coaches. Now, I did it
991
00:56:48.260 --> 00:56:51.179
for 23, I picked fucking Alan Shearer through his fucking
992
00:56:52.789 --> 00:56:56.639
His coaching badges. Lovely boy, Simon. Fuck me. Who am I?
993
00:56:57.150 --> 00:57:01.570
He was fucking magnificent. 103 caps for fucking England. And
994
00:57:01.610 --> 00:57:04.510
this fucking reserve team fucking players putting him through his
995
00:57:04.530 --> 00:57:09.250
fucking badges. That's what I did. I'm not sure if
996
00:57:09.530 --> 00:57:13.550
it's right or not. To be fucking right. Which takes
997
00:57:13.590 --> 00:57:17.550
me on. I'm going to be very careful because I'm
998
00:57:17.570 --> 00:57:22.489
very aware personally about this. See Jimmy? Jimmy Calderwood.
999
00:57:22.530 --> 00:57:26.159
He's the luckiest fucking manager, God bless him, in world football.
1000
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:28.300
Right?
1001
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:33.239
To go to Dunfermline after I fucking left and.
1002
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:37.059
Proceed to put them fucking 10 million in debt one
1003
00:57:37.099 --> 00:57:39.239
year and 10 million in debt the next fucking year.
1004
00:57:39.780 --> 00:57:41.750
Start to get the Stevie Crawfords in the name who
1005
00:57:41.789 --> 00:57:44.909
were on fucking 800 when I signed them. Four fucking
1006
00:57:44.949 --> 00:57:48.650
grand six months later. Nipper, two and a half grand.
1007
00:57:48.670 --> 00:57:51.380
He was on fucking 600. that I had put him
1008
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:55.679
on there, Doddy on there. Fucking tripled their wage. Then
1009
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:58.780
they tell me about all the players he fucking signed. Right?
1010
00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:02.440
He then puts the club into fucking debt of that
1011
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.400
kind of money. He must have been the luckiest manager
1012
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:09.179
in Scottish football and British football and world football to
1013
00:58:09.219 --> 00:58:13.889
have a chairman like John Yorson. Because he financed it.
1014
00:58:14.050 --> 00:58:20.079
And the bank boy. So I just think that... It
1015
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:25.750
was a strange one because all I heard about was
1016
00:58:25.789 --> 00:58:30.150
David Murray at Rangers and he had a great career
1017
00:58:30.610 --> 00:58:33.289
in Holland and all the rest of it. I thought
1018
00:58:33.309 --> 00:58:36.929
it was pretty interesting. He says he signed Jack Starn
1019
00:58:37.090 --> 00:58:40.639
three fucking times. Right? I read his book and never
1020
00:58:40.659 --> 00:58:45.079
fucking mentioned his name once. So, you know, in terms
1021
00:58:45.219 --> 00:58:47.940
of I'm not putting the boot into Jimmy Calder, I
1022
00:58:47.980 --> 00:58:53.300
just think he's a very, very lucky man because he
1023
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:57.090
can buy it and of course he then lives at Aberdeen. Well,
1024
00:58:57.110 --> 00:58:59.030
I worked for him at Aberdeen. You did? You didn't
1025
00:58:59.230 --> 00:59:02.710
have a great time there, did you? No, I didn't
1026
00:59:02.730 --> 00:59:05.630
enjoy it. No. But all I'm saying to you is
1027
00:59:05.650 --> 00:59:09.949
that's the difference between good, bad and indifferent. We've now
1028
00:59:10.030 --> 00:59:13.530
got a situation in Scotland where five of the Premier
1029
00:59:13.710 --> 00:59:17.679
League managers are foreigners are you telling me that there's
1030
00:59:17.699 --> 00:59:20.320
not enough good coaches in Scotland must be the way
1031
00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:23.679
must be the way they want to go I don't
1032
00:59:23.739 --> 00:59:26.179
fucking know who am I to give an opinion on
1033
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:27.940
that I don't.
1034
00:59:29.949 --> 00:59:33.110
I miss I don't miss managing the management I had
1035
00:59:33.130 --> 00:59:33.829
three spells you.
1036
00:59:33.789 --> 00:59:36.610
Did well I was in you started at Partick didn't
1037
00:59:36.630 --> 00:59:38.809
you when you went down to United.
1038
00:59:38.710 --> 00:59:41.800
Yeah and finished at York but I don't miss it
1039
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.360
I miss playing I don't I don't miss the management
1040
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:44.659
do you.
1041
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:50.519
Miss playing aye sorry the same the same I think
1042
00:59:51.820 --> 00:59:54.409
the management the taste of the management stuff was alright
1043
00:59:54.449 --> 00:59:56.949
in spells Partick we had a we built a decent
1044
00:59:56.989 --> 00:59:59.400
team Dundee United, there was wee moments.
1045
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:01.719
It can change so quick, as you know.
1046
01:00:01.949 --> 01:00:06.230
York was... Never any good, not any good. Were you
1047
01:00:06.269 --> 01:00:09.349
with him at all his three clubs? Yeah. York was.
1048
01:00:10.309 --> 01:00:12.690
There was different circumstances at York, but that kind of...
1049
01:00:12.650 --> 01:00:15.349
He likes to use the word scunnered. That kind of
1050
01:00:15.630 --> 01:00:18.750
sickened me with the coaching side of it.
1051
01:00:18.769 --> 01:00:21.289
I won 10-10 at Ross County and go fucking sack.
1052
01:00:21.309 --> 01:00:26.280
I remember that. Fucking George Adams. It's crazy. It was funny, eh?
1053
01:00:26.530 --> 01:00:30.679
George Adams. His laddie, Derek, was just coming to end
1054
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.000
his career. He's director of football now. I always remember,
1055
01:00:34.019 --> 01:00:38.619
I always remember a story about that. I had talked
1056
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.360
to Roy McGregor the year before, didn't like it. Went
1057
01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:43.739
to Glen Eagle, sat at a meal, went up to
1058
01:00:44.099 --> 01:00:49.039
the next time. Sitting in the reception area of his
1059
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:56.880
big centre half, fucking, my memory's fucking gone. Lee McCall
1060
01:00:56.900 --> 01:01:01.000
was there too. and what do you call the big
1061
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.929
fucking centre forward? The Braveheart, which is Colin. Colin Hendry.
1062
01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:09.369
They two are sitting, right? So I've sat and I've
1063
01:01:09.389 --> 01:01:12.829
done the interview with Ronnie McGregor and George Adams. I
1064
01:01:13.510 --> 01:01:18.969
had spoken to five of my friends in Faygo and
1065
01:01:19.210 --> 01:01:22.409
they're big names, right? And I'm lucky enough that I
1066
01:01:22.449 --> 01:01:25.230
could go and talk to them. That's another fucking thing
1067
01:01:25.289 --> 01:01:32.079
about players that didn't answer a phone. Anyway, the chairman
1068
01:01:32.219 --> 01:01:35.769
says the job's yours Dick do you have any questions
1069
01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:39.409
I said I do actually I spoke to five people
1070
01:01:40.110 --> 01:01:41.989
and I'm not going to name them because that would
1071
01:01:42.010 --> 01:01:43.630
be wrong but you have an idea who I was
1072
01:01:43.670 --> 01:01:49.420
talking to first of all I spoke to people in
1073
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.059
the game the chairman could you please tell me what
1074
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:56.840
role George has got I've never worked with a director
1075
01:01:56.860 --> 01:02:02.050
of football before do you worry about me son don't
1076
01:02:02.070 --> 01:02:04.820
worry about me son I'm here to enhance your position
1077
01:02:05.699 --> 01:02:08.159
I says well I hope so because we're the best
1078
01:02:08.300 --> 01:02:10.980
in the world in the world I've not had great
1079
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:14.800
reports about you George and I fucking said that maybe
1080
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:18.000
I shouldn't have but I did we go fucking nine
1081
01:02:18.019 --> 01:02:22.239
games one go down to Kirkcaldy there's fucking second in
1082
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.119
the league we beat them too long Simon we were
1083
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.780
fucking magnificent serious so I think I was a smoker
1084
01:02:29.300 --> 01:02:32.440
you know a cigar. Now when he went to the park,
1085
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:36.880
and of course Roy McGregor and George Amos all went
1086
01:02:36.900 --> 01:02:41.159
to the same church, right? And George was a
wee
1087
01:02:41.179 --> 01:02:44.269
bit annoyed that there ain't no plane. He was on
1088
01:02:44.289 --> 01:02:48.730
the bench and the chairman comes in and says, good
1089
01:02:48.750 --> 01:02:52.449
result today Dick, good performance. I say, aye thanks chairman, George.
1090
01:02:53.329 --> 01:02:59.670
Aye Dick, The result was better than the performance, son.
1091
01:03:00.769 --> 01:03:05.559
You see? That's his damn typical dick. George, you're getting
1092
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:10.219
on my fucking tits. You keep fucking having a comment
1093
01:03:10.300 --> 01:03:11.900
about the game all the rest of it. I said,
1094
01:03:11.940 --> 01:03:13.920
why do you? I said, in fact, to be honest
1095
01:03:13.940 --> 01:03:18.599
with you, Roy, let's fucking sort this out now. It's
1096
01:03:18.699 --> 01:03:21.250
either George or me you're going to listen to. Fucking
1097
01:03:21.309 --> 01:03:23.269
sack me the next morning. Terrible.
1098
01:03:23.610 --> 01:03:25.510
That sounds like something else, I know, but that's for
1099
01:03:25.590 --> 01:03:28.630
another day, do you know what I'm on about? Always
1100
01:03:28.650 --> 01:03:32.170
finding a negative and a positive. Dick, we could be
1101
01:03:32.210 --> 01:03:35.329
here all day. We're going to have to buy up,
1102
01:03:35.369 --> 01:03:35.849
read the book.
1103
01:03:35.889 --> 01:03:36.510
No, read the book.
1104
01:03:36.650 --> 01:03:38.840
I was going to say, buy the book. Buy the book,
1105
01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:40.440
read the book. It's a good cause.
1106
01:03:40.739 --> 01:03:44.059
We've got some recommendations from our previous guest for you
1107
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.559
before you go that you can recommend for our next guest.
1108
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:48.230
We always do it.
1109
01:03:48.619 --> 01:03:49.739
Can you stick them up for us?
1110
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:51.280
Because I've not taken any notes.
1111
01:03:52.550 --> 01:03:56.369
So it's a film, an album and a song. So
1112
01:03:56.710 --> 01:03:58.789
we had Neil Forsyth. I don't know if you're familiar
1113
01:03:58.809 --> 01:04:00.809
with Legends on Netflix. Are you a TV watcher?
1114
01:04:02.090 --> 01:04:04.099
I'm a TV watcher, but I don't know.
1115
01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:04.880
It's a good show.
1116
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:06.440
Very good. All right.
1117
01:04:06.460 --> 01:04:11.440
So he recommended his film was Trendspotting. His album's Bob Dylan,
1118
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.119
Blonde on Blonde. And his song was Don't Look Back
1119
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:18.389
in Anger from Oasis. Do you have three recommendations for
1120
01:04:18.469 --> 01:04:19.130
our next guest?
1121
01:04:19.349 --> 01:04:22.630
A movie first. A movie. A movie first. An album
1122
01:04:22.750 --> 01:04:25.739
and a song, aye. The best movie I've ever fucking
1123
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:33.070
seen is Chisholm, John Wayne. Right. Right? Chisholm, John Chisholm.
1124
01:04:33.510 --> 01:04:39.800
Fucking brilliant. The best album I've ever heard is Roovers. Right.
1125
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.579
I should know you my fucking argument about that. That's
1126
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:43.659
fucking magnificent.
1127
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:44.579
And a song.
1128
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.900
And the song is... That party song, that song at
1129
01:04:49.940 --> 01:04:55.130
fucking Jackie's wedding, right? and it was travelling light travelling
1130
01:04:55.170 --> 01:04:59.630
light you'll not believe it got no bags and baggies
1131
01:04:59.690 --> 01:05:03.840
to slow me down travelling light with Clive Pritchard brilliant
1132
01:05:03.949 --> 01:05:07.420
brilliant brilliant you've been a fantastic guest mate look forward
1133
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.260
to the book great to see you and hope you're
1134
01:05:09.300 --> 01:05:11.739
back in football very soon very kind of you you've
1135
01:05:11.780 --> 01:05:14.420
been a tribute to yourselves I'm telling you you're magnificent
1136
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:17.610
pros and I loved everything about you thank you thank
1137
01:05:17.630 --> 01:05:17.690
you