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All right.
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So you're off today, Juice.
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I am.
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Except for recording podcasts.
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Yes.
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Does this really work though?
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Yeah, you're a slave driver.
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Does it really work though?
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I'm so tired.
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Are you really?
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I'm exhausted.
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I'm sitting here drinking a delicious Coca-Cola.
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I see that.
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Are they a sponsor?
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Huh?
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They could be.
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I would take the I wouldn't turn down their check.
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You wouldn't?
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No.
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But what are you going to do after this?
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I have to go do a little shopping.
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For a house?
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Well, I'm in the process of searching for one, but.
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You're always looking around, right?
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So but no, this is gonna be a Wally World trip and a Lowe's trip.
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I like Lowe's.
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I don't mind Walmart.
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I don't like Walmart.
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Walmart.
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It's all right.
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If you can get in and out, but uh sometimes you can't get in and out.
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I do.
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I hate it when you go in there and the self-checkouts are backed up and they and you got 16 Walmart employees standing around the front talking.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, go open a register.
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Or you get up there to the self-checkouts and only half of them work.
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I don't like the self-checkouts at all.
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I'd rather have somebody standing there gamefully employed scanning my items so I can pay.
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Right.
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Okay.
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I like self-checkout, but yeah, I don't.
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I like getting out of there.
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Now Lowe's is the only option is self-checkout.
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You go to the lumber section.
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Yeah.
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That's aggravating.
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Yeah.
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Because Lowe's, I go in there and I typically don't have just a handful of screws.
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I gotta get some lumber and everything, you know what I mean?
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So you end up end up stacking my lumber, then going to get the little stuff and coming back over there, you know.
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So it can be one register.
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Yeah, it can be aggravating.
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So yeah.
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And uh yeah, because I'm typically getting something big, like some two by fours or a piece of plywood or something.
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Yeah.
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Because you know, something going on around here.
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And and of course I need some screws, so you gotta go up there and how do you put screws, wood screws, on the opposite end of the store from the wood?
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Because that's loose.
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They want you to walk and look at everything on the way over to the other end, right?
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So I'd prefer to have the box of wood screws right there next to the wood where I'm oh, here's wood screen.
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Well, no, that would make sense.
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That would make sense.
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They put sheetrock screws on the opposite end of the store from the sheetrock.
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So yeah.
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Yeah, because you gotta go look at the shelves and go by the lights.
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Yeah, you gotta look at all that stuff in case you need something else.
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I like looking at lights and tile, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I catch myself looking at that stuff.
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So yeah.
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I try to get in, get what I came for, and get out.
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So when I go in with my wife, she immediately shoots back to the light fixtures and fans and stuff.
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That's her draw.
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Yeah, not me.
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I like my draw, I'll get in trouble up in that power tool section.
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So yeah, yeah, you get hemmed up there.
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I sit up there for 30 minutes and and talk myself into why I need one.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's not much of a talk, it's just you need one.
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Whatever it is, you need one.
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It's cause something in the next.
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I might I'm maybe if I'm lucky, I might live 30 more years.
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Yeah.
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I might need that in 30 years.
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You don't think so?
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I'll be gone within 20.
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But in that 30 years,
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you might need that saw.
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You know, that's why you gotta buy it.
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That's why you gotta buy it, though.
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I can borrow it.
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That's why I justify it.
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So I'll just come down your house and borrow it.
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I got a lot of tools setting around.
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Yeah, I know.
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I'm gonna borrow them all.
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I'm not gonna return them.
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I'm gonna borrow them all.
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So I like a lot of my garage in the barn, right?
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Yeah.
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And so I'll be like, I need this drill, Miss Impact Driver, and I'll go there and it's not there.
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And my sister-in-law or somebody, oh, I've got it here.
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Well, uh-huh.
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Well, I need it.
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Well, the house is locked.
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Well, I'm gonna kick the door in.
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I need it right now anyway.
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You know what I mean?
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It's like I used to not return my dad's stuff either.
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So oh no, I returned my dad's stuff.
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Well, he got to the point where he shouldn't be using saws and stuff, and I wouldn't give it back to him on purpose.
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So, because he shouldn't have been using them.
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No, not my dad.
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But uh and it was weird because all the tools my dad used to have, if I if I took a box in wrench or something to use, he's like, hey, where's that 966 box in wrench?
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I'm like, I just got it yesterday.
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Where is it?
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Oh, it's at Nick's house or it's at Paul's house.
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Go get it.
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It's in my truck that's somewhere go get it now.
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Right.
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So I'm bad about sockets and wrenches.
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Yeah.
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I'll go out and the exact one I'm needing is not in the box because I left it somewhere three weeks ago.
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You know, yeah, I got them on a rack in mine, so I've gotten better over the years, but anyway.
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So yeah, we're gonna talk about the open source internet mob.
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Internet sluice.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All right.
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Here's the problem with internet sluice.
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They do not have to follow any rules of engagement.
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No, they can just say stuff and it hangs out there, and then up, and if it goes viral, it turns into truth.
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Yes.
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Well, I seen it on the internet, it must be true.
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Let's look at the Lindsay Clancy deal going on right now.
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All right.
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Somebody got out there and said that her husband did it.
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Right.
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Now to now to strangle three children, you have to be there physically to do it.
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Correct.
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And he was not.
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Imagine that.
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And they're like, well, he didn't go in the house.
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So here's his dilemma.
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He comes home, his wife is laying in the yard paralyzed because she jumped out the window.
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He has no idea what's going on.
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He's like, Okay, here's my wife.
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She's telling me the kids are in the basement.
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It must have been in like a play area.
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He's thinking, okay, the kids are probably okay down there.
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My wife is laying here and she can't walk and she's half conscious.
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So I'm gonna attend to her, get the paramedics there.
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Paramedics arrived.
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He was on 911 still, and walked to, and then he walks to the house, and you can hear him walking, finds those kids, and he goes berserk on 911.
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So they're saying he did it.
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She admitted to doing it.
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And you look at the cell data and everything else, he was at CVS and Wendy's or wherever else he went.
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So it was nowhere near the house.
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He's a place or something.
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And then, you know, his reaction was legit.
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Yes.
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But they're saying because he got married four months later, after their divorce, that had nothing to do with it.
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She's she was in jail for a year before they got divorced, I believe.
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And then, you know, what does it matter?
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She's crazy.
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He's wanting to get away from this lunatic.
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I've heard so much about this case.
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Oh, he moved the table because there was a drop of blood underneath the f the leg of the table.
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No.
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Because there's some smeared blood?
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Oh, it wasn't
smeared.
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It was her blood, though, right?
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Yeah, it was perfect drops.
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She slit her wrist.
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Water's dripping out of her arms.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, she didn't slid them far enough.
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Yeah, unfortunately, she slid them the wrong way.
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Now she did jump out the window.
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Yes.
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Now the taxpayer gets to pay for her crippled butt forever.
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So, because she's gonna be in the loony bin or jail, whichever one they put her in.
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When she should be executed.
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Right.
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But yeah, that would that one went viral and everybody latched onto it.
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Some young kids I was talking to are like, yeah, he did it.
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No, he didn't go in the house.
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He did go in the house.
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He discovered the kids.
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Yeah.
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He was dealing with a chaotic scene with his wife laying there, half blood bleeding to death, and broke back.
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He just she just said they're in the basement.
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If I came home and you said my kids in her room, I'm like, okay.
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You know what I mean?
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So I mean, that's normal for her to be in her room or somewhere.
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You know, yeah.
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Now, if you said I stabbed them, then I'm gonna go run in there and see what's going on.
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Yeah, you're gonna lay there and taste the pain a while because the kids come first.
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I'm gonna check this out.
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So I don't know.
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The internet sluice, man, they had the one where the Coburger, you know, the guy that killed the kids in Idaho.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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The one woman had to pay Rebecca Schofield, she was a a professor at the University of Idaho, and this TikTok influencer, Ashley Gilliard, was saying she did it.
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They're saying, hey, she had to be the one to do it, blah, blah, blah, all this, and it went viral.
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She had to pay 10 million for falsely claiming Schofield was behind the University of Idaho murders.
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She'll never see that 10 million, but it it's very damaging.
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People don't realize it, but that internet, that social media is very damaging to people's lives.
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Absolutely.
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You gotta watch what you say.
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So it's terri, you know, it's almost like they they get on there and they gotta get the next viral thing.
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Oh, yeah.
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So they say absolutely ludicrous stuff that's not true to get them views.
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Yeah, that's how they're making their money.
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Yeah, and let me look up something here.
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Uh I lost my place.
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Which I don't see why they're getting paid for this stuff.
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I see these videos on these people, these couples that break up and they post all this internet stuff.
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Why are they getting paid for that?
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And they come up with the worst drama for people to get sucked into.
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Sure.
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So I like I like watching TikTok and YouTube.
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Yeah, but for entertainment.
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I'm watching like cops beating arresting people where it gets a little violent.
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Yeah.
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It's pretty entertaining.
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Or, you know, they let the canine go so we can have a chew toy for a little bit.
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That's awesome.
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They they like to fight the cops, and then the cops fight back, and they get they're like, Oh, you abused me.
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You hit him first.
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You polyester pig pile, you reap what you sow.
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You're attacking them.
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Like the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013.
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Reddit and 4chan users comb photos and name Sunil Trepathy, a Brown student, the Brown University student, who'd gone missing.
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It spread to major news outlets and Twitter overnight.
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He had nothing to do with it, and his body was later found in a river, and he had died way before the bombing.
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The New York Post separately ran a front page of two innocent men labeled Bag Men, one a 17-year-old track athlete.
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They're just they latch on to regular to the most insane stuff to get views, you know.
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Charlottesville, 2017.
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That was a disaster.
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Yeah.
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They identified Arkansas professor Kyle Quinn as a torch man participant based on a rough facial resemblance.
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He was a hundred thousand miles away, but he and his wife got threatened at home because they were saying that they were leading the way holding the light so this could happen.
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Yeah.
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He was way across the United States.
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Yeah, wasn't anywhere near it.
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He had to get protection at his home for him and his kids.
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This list this one, Elite Alisa Lamb, 2013, online sleuths accused a Mexican musician who formed performed as morbid of her death because she stayed at the Cecil Hotel a year earlier.
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You know, the Cecil Hotel in California.
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He was in Mexico at the time.
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The harassment followed him for years.
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The Cecil Hotel, you know, there's been a lot of people commit suicide.
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But they're saying this guy did it at the Cecil Hotel.
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Yeah.
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And he wasn't in Mexico withnam around.
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So Golden Steak Killer.
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This one goes back a while.
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All right.
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They just arrested this guy.
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An early familiar DNA search pointed at New Orleans filmmaker, Michael Yusri, through his father's ancestral ancestry sample, weeks of investigation before he was cleared.
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Not internet sluice, but the same failure.
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Partial match treated as identification.
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So they didn't have the true match, but they went ahead and rambled the story anyways.
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Yeah.
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To get people to gotta get those views.
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This one lady sued for that one professor in Idaho murder.
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She sued for defamation, and they were other people named and harassed in that as well.
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So I don't know, man.
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It's terrible.
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Here's the big one.
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January 6th, riots.
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Crowdsourced photo ID threads repeatedly named the wrong people in both directions politically.
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They were naming the wrong people.
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And we had people here that were just there.
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They went up there and they were standing like out on the sidewalk.
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And got and people saw them on the social media and look, they're breaking the law.
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Yeah.
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And they weren't.
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They're just standing there.
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You can walk around the sidewalks of Washington, D.C.
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Yeah.
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I don't care what you say, what they say.
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Yeah.
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They weren't
the ones breaking windows or hitting cops or whatever.
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Right.
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They were just standing there.
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Which that whole thing was a bit of a setup, in my opinion.
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But the um and of course there were people doing the wrong thing there, but you don't have to go far in the United States to find somebody doing the wrong thing.
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Right.
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But yeah, they would see just people standing around there observing, and they would see them on some news clip, and they're like, look, here's some more criminals turn to FBI.
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FBI came and visited her homes.
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Yeah.
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What were you doing there?
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Standing there.
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You know what it does though?
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And then they start posting this crap on Facebook or whatever.
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Look, they were part of the January 6th.
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So if your name's associated with January 6th, all of a sudden you're a criminal automatically without even committing a crime.
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Right.
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You know, it can ruin people's lives.
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You ever see any more examples of that stuff?
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There's it's all over the place.
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Just pick something.
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Get on social media and look where somebody says something about somebody else.
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Right.
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The I think it started with the 24-hour news cycle, you know, when CNN started going 24 hours.
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Because they had to get any clip to keep people watching.
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Yeah, but yeah, CNN's like one of the worst.
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They'll say whatever.
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The Clinton News Network.
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Exactly.
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They'll say whatever.
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But then you get people that now, you know, it's changed.
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Now everybody has access to their own broadcast now.
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And they say, well, CNN and MSNBC do it.
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I can do it.
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And here we go.
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Out of mom and dad's basement, you're set, you know, 60 years old, still living with your parents in their basement, and you're going to have a news outlet.
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Yeah, they do.
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And it's all fake.
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Yeah.
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You remember the Gabby Petito case that girl?
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All right.
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Tick TikTok tips flooded Wyoming and Florida agencies.
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One woman's van was swarmed after being misidentified as the Petito van.
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Several unrelated people in the Grand Teton area were named as suspects.
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The FBI publicly asked people to stop sending speculation because it was drowning out usable tips.
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So the FBI was like, hey, stop sending your garbage.
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Yeah.
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But it's not the garbage they send to the FBI, it's what they publish on their own page.
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Correct.
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Their TikTok or their YouTube or whatever you name it.
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And they name people put people's names in there.
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Yeah.
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Knowing it's a lie.
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Yeah.
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And then you had the baby shaker video of 2019.
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A man filmed shaking a baby at a match was misidentified online.
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The wrong man received threats before the actual person was killed.
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That was at like a soccer match, I believe, right?
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So shaking a kid.
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But they identified the wrong guy, and people start showing up to his house.
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I don't know, but it's crazy.
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Here's a good one.
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Ashley Madison hack in 2015.
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Remember that one?
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Oh yeah.
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Email all the names came out.
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Email addresses in the dump were retreated as proof of accounts.
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Yeah.
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Okay, here's it's an account though.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Anyone could enter any address at sign up with no verification, so people were outed as cheaters over addresses they'd never used to register.
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People committed suicide over that.
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Yeah.
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Now, we have a thing in open source intelligence investigations called attribution.
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All right.
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So I find your email address on to be associated with an OnlyFans account.
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Right.
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I have to attribute, I have to get two more sources to say yes, this was Juice's account.
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Right.
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Two more things point at that direction.
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These people don't do that.
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They see one, they're like, oh, look, he's a he's a cheater, he's
looking at porno, whatever.
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Yep.
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And then it gets blasted online and on the news and ruins people's reputations for no reason.
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But there's there's more to it than just two other sources.
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Right.
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I mean, there's there's more work to it.
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It just helps cooperate where that email was at.
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It's called attribution.
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For me, as a licensed private investigator, if I put the wrong thing in a report, I can be sued over it by the opposition.
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Absolutely.
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Why can't these online sluice get sued more?
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Oh, freedom of speech.
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I don't know, man.
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I don't think it is.
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I don't know.
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Sandy Hook, the shoot shooting at Sandy Hook in 2012.
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Ryan Lanza, the shooter's brother, was named as the gunman across every major outlet after his ID was found.
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Conspiracy theorists later harassed Gene Rosen, a neighbor, who sheltered children and parents of victims, insisting they were paid actors.
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But he the guy had his brother's ID in his pocket, and they and they, without confirming it, CNN, Fox News, whoever said, Oh, he's the guy.
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Ryan doesn't work that way.
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I don't know.
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The Ottawa County and BLM protest doxing.
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I remember that happened.
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Donor list and crowd photos were used to identify participants and both people with similar names or vaguely similar appearances, lost jobs over nothing because the people didn't confirm it.
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We got one here now where a girl was dating a guy in college and she he took some naked pictures of her.
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Fast forward three years, she breaks up with him.
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Now these pictures are popping up on porn sites.
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Now we've been able to attribute it to him because he's stupid.
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But she got fired from her teaching job because they showed up online.
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Yeah.
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So why does the school board get to fire somebody for something that happened?
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I know.
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She didn't do anything.
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She was not under the handbook at the time.
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Right.
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She was in college, right?
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So I don't know.
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There's gonna be some big money involved in that one.
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Yeah, I hope she gets paid where she doesn't have to work again.
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Because teachers, first of all, they don't get paid enough.
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Right.
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Remember the Ryan Lochte thing in the Olympics, the swimmer that said he got robbed?
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Yeah.
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They took that and ran with it and posted, oh, Ryan Lochte got robbed.
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And it turned out to be a lie.
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Yeah, it was all lie.
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He got drunk and said it.
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Amanda Knox, the girl that Oh, in Italy?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The Foxy Noxy narrative was largely built online from her social media and behavior and photos.
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Uh she got acquitted twice, but yeah.
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Italy, I learned you can be tried over and over and over again.
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Oh yeah.
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It's crazy, man.
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I think they got a warrant out for now, but the United States is like, you're done.
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You're not.
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Just don't go to Italy.
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Yeah.
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Now we're in the AI generation era.
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My mother gets tricked, my mother-in-law too, by AI generated videos all the time.
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Oh yeah.
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They're good.
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They're like, look at this.
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And I'm like, it's it's AI.
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It's AI.
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It's fake.
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I've I've never seen a donkey fly in a plane before.
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There's been several pol people arrested because of facial recognition problems with AI.
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Robert Williams and Michael Oliver in Detroit, Najira Parks in New Jersey, and Portia Woodruff in Detroit while eight months pregnant.
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They were arrested because due to facial recognition software and AI generated videos of them online.
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Arrested for the wrong thing.
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So the I wish they should make these people do their own follow-up and attribute, hey, this is real.
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Is this fact?
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Right.
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Before we start reporting.
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Back in the olden days, reporters used to do that.
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Yeah.
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You don't have to do that anymore.
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They'll run without selling whatever.
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They'll run with an eighth of a story in a heartbeat.
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You know, instead of the at least 70%, right?
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So my get you're never gonna have 100% of a story, but no, never.
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Let's at least get some corroborating evidence here before we publish it.
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But goes back to the Almighty clicks and views, baby.
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That's what it's going back to.
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Yep.
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But anyway, yeah, we use attribution.
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We have rules in our company.
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Hey, for this to be attributable, but for you to report it and not have to say this is not fact yet, right?
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Right.
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You have to have three sources and attribute another way as well before we can report it as fact.
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So all right, Juice, that's all we got on this one.
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Was that interesting?
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Yeah.
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Was it all right?
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Yeah, it was all right.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right then.
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We'll be back with another here in just a little bit.
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Awesome.