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of your 69 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:03.279 maybe your first contact experience. How old were you and 70 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.120 could you tell us a little bit about it. 71 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.959 The first thing I remember was was seeing UFO hovering 72 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.000 over my parents' house when I was five years old, 73 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.959 like a fairly small scout craft, maybe fifty feet in 74 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:21.000 diameter or hovering right a bread at rooftop level. And 75 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.199 that was maybe four o'clock in the morning, before sunrise. 76 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.600 And then I blocked out and woke up like four 77 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.079 hours later with blood all down in front of me, 78 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.160 and I remembered somebody putting something up my nose. And 79 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.519 Willie Streeber described a similar experience in the book Communion, 80 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.319 And I think that's standard procedure for aductees to have 81 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:44.800 an implant put in at that age. 82 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:51.240 It's very interesting. Now, do you have any other memories 83 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:52.959 of any experiences after that? 84 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.000 Yeah, I remembered a few things spontaneously and a lot 85 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.600 more under hip, not a progression after I found out 86 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.040 for sure that this was going on. After I met 87 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:11.279 doctor Leer, and it's just a lot of really strange stuff. 88 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:18.120 It's it's it's no wonder that people are having trouble 89 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:22.040 believing in all this because it's completely counter what we're 90 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.600 taught in school about. You know, aliens can't possibly be 91 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:28.480 coming here, it's too far away and all that sort 92 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.879 of thing. Apparently they are. 93 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.959 Were your experiences, would you say a positive nature or 94 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.560 do you think they had possibly malevolent purposes? 95 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.079 I wouldn't say my experiences have been malevolent or or 96 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.800 or completely negative. But there's like a lots of control 97 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.959 and inherent in it because they use they do what 98 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.160 they do what they want with you, as if you're 99 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:01.199 an experimental animal, and they they use mindtroll and it 100 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:05.560 just it just introduces a strange feeling of a loss 101 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.519 of control that's really disturbing. A lot of people have 102 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:09.319 commented on that. 103 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.680 Do you have any memories of being taking on a craft? 104 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.319 H Yeah, most of them have recovered under a regression, 105 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.319 but yeah, I've got some memories of being on board, 106 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:29.160 and yeah, my memories are pretty pretty similar to a 107 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.959 lot of other abductee reports, especially I really related to 108 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.160 Katherina Wilson's book I forgot what I was supposed to remember. 109 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:46.720 And Alien Jigsaw if readers or listeners want to read those, 110 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.639 that pretty much sums up a lot of my experiences too, 111 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.720 of mind, were very similar to hers. 112 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.839 Now, do you know what types of beings that you 113 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:58.000 were interacting with? 114 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.600 The standard grays that most people report as the ones 115 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:09.040 i've are the ones I've mostly seen, but I remembered 116 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.319 under regression seeing some tan grays on board an alien 117 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.839 mothership at one point, the ones that were on Willie 118 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:18.160 Streemer's book cover. 119 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.199 Now, let's get back to your first end plant. Can 120 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.399 you tell us about that experience, how that came about? 121 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.000 First actual removement? 122 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.519 Yeah, I well, how I was put in is I 123 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.759 was at my house watering the plants and taking care 124 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:43.639 of the place after work. My wife was at her 125 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.360 parents' house after my daughter was born, and she'd just 126 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:49.759 staying there for a while to have her mom help 127 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:58.200 her out with the baby, and I called her up 128 00:08:58.240 --> 00:08:59.440 until her I was going to spend the night at 129 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.679 the house because getting tired, and I heard some noises 130 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:04.480 in the backyard. Went out in the backyard and there 131 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:09.240 were these two huge raccoons out there, and one was 132 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.960 about fifty pounds. Everyone was about seventy pounds, and I 133 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.399 didn't even know they got that big, so that was 134 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:18.240 pretty surprising. And they seemed fairly tame, so I put 135 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.120 some food out there for them so they wouldn't need 136 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:25.080 our avocados. They were in our avocado tree. And I 137 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:28.000 watched the animals for a while and then went in 138 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.080 and went to bed. And when I woke up, there 139 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.159 has been a lot of strange stuff going on prior 140 00:09:34.159 -->

00:09:35.960 to that, and when I woke up, I just realized 141 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:37.600 that the aliens had been there. And I had a 142 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.399 pain in the side of my head and a stinging 143 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:43.759 pain in my left second toe, and I looked at 144 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:45.919 my toe. There are two puncture wounds there that disappeared 145 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.320 within a few hours, and the two puncture wounds lit 146 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:57.279 up green under ultraviolet light, and so the stinging pain 147 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.240 got worse and became an electric shock. Pained that that 148 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.799 went all about all the way up my leg. About 149 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.600 four days after the incident, or every time I put 150 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.720 some weight on that toe, And so I went over 151 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.559 to see doctor Lear and I told him that to 152 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.879 possibility and implant And. 153 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.519 How did you how did you get into contact with 154 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:23.039 the doctor lear well. 155 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:27.000 Of fernicity too. He worked only a few blocks from 156 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.039 where I worked in Camrio, California, and I had been 157 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.200 following his for a long time. Then all of a sudden, 158 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.559 got an implant myself and decided to go over and 159 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.440 see him. And I don't think he believed me at first, 160 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.159 but he gave me a prescription to you to get 161 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:48.200 the tost rate, and the prescription said give a copy 162 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:49.720 of the patient, so they gave me a copy of 163 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:53.840 this X ray. And I knew intuitively I was going 164 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.600 to see something, but when I did, it would just 165 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:58.360 blew me away. I mean, there's a heck of a 166 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.519 difference between like I always hit. There's a heck of 167 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:04.960 difference between strongly suspecting that something like this occurs and 168 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.399 knowing for sure. The object looked like a bent piece 169 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:14.039 of wire in my toe, and it was actually the 170 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.000 image on the extra was actually smaller then it turned 171 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:18.720 out to be in real life, which. 172 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:23.399 Was strange interesting. How did the removal process go? 173 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.200 It went pretty well, it turned out, but the object 174 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.480 riddle and it broke into twelve pieces. On removal. They 175 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:38.519 instead of cutting it out, they tried to go in 176 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:40.159 through the side of the toe and pull it out, 177 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.480 and the object was brittle and broken to several pieces. 178 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.480 But that turned out to be a good thing because 179 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.039 it gave us some views of the interior without us 180 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:55.159 having to cut the object up. And one weird thing 181 00:11:55.320 --> 00:12:00.600 is that all the pieces arranged themselves and their order 182 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.679 when doctor Lear had a stored and in blood serum. 183 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:11.440 That was really remarkable. We've got pictures of that. And 184 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.919 he gave me two pieces of the object to run 185 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.519 a series of tests on. I did light across, could 186 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:22.080 be scanning, electronic cross could be and ed x BOLK 187 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:30.159 elemental analysis and ic PMS trace element analysis, and we did. 188 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:37.519 We did magnetic testing and Geiger counter testing and in 189 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.279 turn it was highly magnetic. That was one thing we'd 190 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.320 noticed that before we remove the object from my body, 191 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.799 it was at about a ten milia magnetic field. And 192 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:51.679 our associate doctor kuons that the magnetic field may have 193 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.480 may have had to do with its power store. He 194 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.200 thought that it was powered by zero point energy by 195 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.000 the interaction between some phone on mode and the metal 196 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.039 and the magnetic field. Another in usual thing about the 197 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.320 object of the metallic portion was made of meteoric iron. 198 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.559 The trace element pattern and it exactly matched or almost 199 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:19.240 exactly matched a group of Nickelaaron meteorites like sahed rights 200 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:23.480 and it produced no like all the other implants the 201 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:27.600 doctor lear researched, it produced no no inflammation in my 202 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:32.360 toe or nearly A foreign body will always produce inflammation 203 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:36.960 in the human body. So that's uh. 204 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:42.159 I've heard instances of the the nerves actually growing around 205 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:43.799 these objects. 206 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.559 Yeah, that's right, there were, There were There are appropriate 207 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:51.960 sceptor nerves growing into these objects from in every case 208 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:56.240 that we've seen, including the implant in my toe. And 209 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.519 that's that's the connection to the nervous system. That's that's 210 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:04.799 how they gather information apparently

and also perhaps transmit information 211 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:09.879 to the body. And there's some chemical cue to cause 212 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:11.440 the nerve cells to grow into them. And I think 213 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:14.279 that the pain I was experiencing and toe was probably 214 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:15.879 the nerve cells growing into the device. 215 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:21.120 You said there's no immune response to the object. 216 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:25.200 Either, no, none whatsoever. It was highly unusual, and that's 217 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.399 that's been repeated like seventeen times now, and none of 218 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.720 them had any an immune response whatsoever. 219 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:37.399 Now do you know the what the purposes of these 220 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.440 devices would be other than. 221 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:45.039 Cracking not for sure. We have we have abductee reports 222 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.200 on what the aliens say there for, and we have 223 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.000 some educated speculation on what they're for. But I'll just 224 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.879 run run that value, and you know, we may find 225 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.960 out that they do other things too. But logically that's 226 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.840 they must be tracking devices. But a lot of them 227 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:07.279 are probably not primarily tracking devices. And the ones in 228 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.759 the extremities, like the ones in the toe or the wrist, 229 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:16.799 the leg or probably are are mainly physiological monitoring devices 230 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:21.519 to measure all kinds of physiological partners like blood, sugar, 231 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:27.879 blood oxygen, of hormone levels, that sort of thing. And 232 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.080 we have reason to believe from what people have told 233 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.559 us that that they can. Most of the devices can 234 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.840 be used to implant suggestions that are hard to ignore 235 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:47.559 because the subject always thinks it's their idea. And doctor 236 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.799 Kons thought that some of them could be used as 237 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:53.759 room bugs, could pick up airborne sounds. And they transmit 238 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.799 radio waves, but they're not always on, but they sometimes 239 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:04.559 they're transmitting, and uh so they're they're definitely transmitting that 240 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:07.000 information back to the people that put them. 241 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:15.279 In the most I guess what areas of the body 242 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.039 are they mostly found in. 243 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:23.440 They're mostly found in the extremities in the head. There's 244 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.279 typically on somebody that's got a lot of alien activity. 245 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:31.200 There's typically one one above each year, a tiny one 246 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.879 above each year below the scalp and above the skull, 247 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.279 and uh one at the back of the neck, and 248 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.960 the T three vertebrae, and a brain implant. The brain 249 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.159 implants are hard to attack because they're they're made of 250 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:50.879 a conductive polymer. I actually analyze one of those too, 251 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:54.639 that that fell out of somebody's nose, and it was 252 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:59.039 interesting because the alien, the aliens told somebody that that 253 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:02.039 they were made of a conduct dollmer, and that indeed 254 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.119 was what the one I analyzed was made out of. 255 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.400 And they grow, they said, they grow tendrils throughout the brain. 256 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:18.559 And those implants can enable the aliens, according to what 257 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.240 they've said, to hear and see what the subject is 258 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.480 hearing and seeing in real time and probably also hear 259 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:31.880 what they're thinking. And so that's getting that implant is 260 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.440 like connecting the person of the alien high of mind. 261 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.759 They're kind of a high of mind species, kind of 262 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:37.880 the border gun star trek. 263 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:42.640 You've seen them, Yeah, And am I right in saying 264 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:47.319 that some of these have actually moved. When Trump been when. 265 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.920 Yes I was talking, I was speaking of this the 266 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:51.759 state of the station. All the ones that we've analyzed 267 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.799 right now, so far i've been up to now been 268 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:58.359 stationary ones. But there are moving ones too. We've never 269 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.960 had a chance to analyze ones. We can't them out, 270 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.559 and they're more rare than the stationary ones at any rate. 271 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:10.640 But I've had I've had contact with people say that 272 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.839 they have movie ones and Whilly streamer out a moving 273 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.359 one in his ear. I think he still has it, 274 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.160 and doctor here I was going to take it out, 275 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.119 but he changed his mind at the last minute. Really 276 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:23.480 did that? 277 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:27.319 Is now you said they emit radio signals? 278 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.480 Absolutely, Yeah, about ten percent of the time they're active 279 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.960 emitting radio signals. That's all of the implants that we 280 00:18:36.039

--> 00:18:41.759 know of, including the moving ones out the the moving ones. 281 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.079 The moving ones are probably also made of a conductive polymer, 282 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.920 and they have these like ccilia on them, like a 283 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.319 like a micro organism would have. That enables them to 284 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.200 move under the skin. And some people report that it 285 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:57.400 hurts quite a bit when they move. 286 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:04.000 Wow. Yeah, I can't imagine having something moving under my skin. Now, 287 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.599 how many how many have you had removed from yourself? 288 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:09.319 Just the one? 289 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.000 Just the one? Yeah, have you. 290 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.640 Had any others that you know of that you know 291 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:17.599 may still be there? 292 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.680 I have actual evidence of that at least two more. I 293 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.319 think that. I think I have three or four more. 294 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:27.200 Would love. 295 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.799 The ones above the years I've got those. And I 296 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.039 remember having a brain implant put in when I was five, 297 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.960 like I was telling you, and I think that standard 298 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.720 procedure for most abductees. 299 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.480 Now, when you're doing scans for these devices, what kind 300 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:46.720 of equipment are you using? 301 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.960 The standard scans that might use on people that want 302 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:54.839 to find out if they're abductees or not, or a 303 00:19:54.880 --> 00:20:01.680 stead finder scan to scan areas of concern and for implants, 304 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.400 so it's they're good at detecting metallic objects under the skin. 305 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.359 And then we do a gas meter scan to detect 306 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:14.720 weak magnetic fields and alien equipment can sometimes magnetize things, 307 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:19.039 including human tissue. And if we get a gas meter 308 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.160 hit combined with a studfinder hit a high probability that's 309 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:28.400 an implant because the implants are almost always magnetic. And 310 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.720 then I use a got your counter to detect any 311 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.480 trace of radiation once in a while, or something left 312 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:39.119 behind and and I use an ultraviolet light to detect 313 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.599 alien dyes that are left behind on the body to 314 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:44.960 stay up for a month, or indelible dyes that are 315 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:52.559 really hard to remove. And there's various colors orange, green, yellow, green, 316 00:20:52.759 --> 00:21:00.240 and blue, and they shine very strongly under short wave 317 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.839 of ev elimination. And that's a that's a dead giveaway. 318 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:06.759 If if if I see those, I know the person's 319 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:08.440 been been taken within the last month. 320 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.839 Now, if they want to have this remove, do you 321 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.359 do you refer them to a to someone to have 322 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:20.119 them removed. 323 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:23.799 Well, I've just been telling I don't have a doctor 324 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.799 working with me at this point in time, But I 325 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.279 just I just tell people to go to their GP 326 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:31.960 and say they have a foreign object that's bothering them 327 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:36.359 and try to get it removed. Insurance should cover it. Theoretically, 328 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:40.519 That's all I can do at the moment. But I'm 329 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.599 trying to find a doctor who will come forward and 330 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:44.759 help me with this research. 331 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:51.559 Have you analyzed them any recently? Uh? 332 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:58.200 No, not recently. The last the last stuff I analyzed 333 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:02.359 was actually some crish debrief from a UFO that crashed 334 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:07.279 in New Mexico during the Roswell time period. 335 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:14.000 Seven, what kind of results came from that? 336 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:21.720 And I also analyzed Patient seventeen's implant to reanalyze part 337 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:27.480 of it about like three years ago. Oh, there were 338 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.000 mostly pieces of aluminum. There was one piece of ultrapure 339 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.759 aluminium that appeared to have some sort of different crystal 340 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.079 structure than regular aluminum, and it was very hard and 341 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.039 would give off sparks when you when you put it 342 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:43.240 on a grinding wheel, which is not what aluminum typically does. 343 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.599 It was act even more like titanium or steel in 344 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:52.039 that regard, but it was incredibly strong, and that also 345 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.440 was the case with Patient sixteens implant that came out 346 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:03.240 of his wrist. It was a steel steel carbon nitude 347 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.400 metal matrix composite with a little bit of meteoric iron 348 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:09.640 in it that was incredibly strong, and diamond tools would 349 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.640 even cut it. That'sn't heard of them. Tools are cut 350 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:13.400 just about anything. 351 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:18.039 Wow, that should Yeah, that's very fascinating. 352 00:23:19.279 -->

00:23:25.880 The other crash Debrie samples were aluminum with some strange 353 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:31.359 impurities in them that that would not be there in 354 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.960 earthly aluminum samples. A little guranium and thorium, rare earth 355 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:39.799 gallium and germanium stuff like that. 356 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.640 Now, do you think it's possible that our government or 357 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:50.079 military industrial complex could be doing some of these implants? 358 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.599 Yeah, I think it's possible. I heard a rumor not 359 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:59.000 too long ago actually that the aliens had had given 360 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:02.119 them a large quantity of their implants as part of 361 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:06.000 some deal. So I hope that's not true. That'll mean 362 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:09.480 that it'll be impossible to tell the difference between government 363 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:14.400 implants and alien implants. But there's some evidence that the 364 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.319 government and the aliens are working together anyway. But up 365 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.240 to now, government implants have been distinguishable because they're usually 366 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.920 like like you know, little computer chips, like like a 367 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:29.480 standard computer chip under the skin. But alien implants are 368 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.720 very very smaller. They're a bit smaller. They're like the 369 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:36.039 one in my toe is like like one millimeter in 370 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.839 diameter by like three and a half four millimeters long, 371 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.319 and they're much that the technology is much greater in them, 372 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:55.839 much more advanced. And I'm sorry, what was your question? 373 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:58.400 Oh no, well, I was going to ask. I was 374 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.079 going to go back to your contact experiences and ask 375 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.920 if you remember any direct communication with any of these beings. 376 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.720 Uh, yeah, yeah, a little bit. 377 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:14.640 I mean are any messages they told you. 378 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:17.920 Like when they told me, when they told me what 379 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:23.640 the what the brand implants were for? And uh, they'll 380 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.119 sometimes answer questions like that, not always, and there they 381 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:29.279 remind me of a high tech foreign military and a 382 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.079 lot of the stuff they do is secret on their 383 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:35.880 end too, And questions about what is your agenda? What 384 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.839 do you plan to do at point A and point 385 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.839 b at this or that time. They won't answer questions 386 00:25:41.920

--> 00:25:45.279 like that or early ever will, but they do sometimes 387 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.880 ask answer technical questions, and we'll see. I remember them 388 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:51.720 telling me what the what the implants were for? And 389 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:53.599 I remember telling me a lot of a lot of 390 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:57.519 teas report this that they're concerned about us screwing up 391 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:01.559 the planet and possibly having a war that will be disastrous, 392 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:04.880 and we need to change our ways and become part 393 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.359 of the galactic community, and messages like that that's pre standard. 394 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:14.559 Have you in your regressions or any types of memories, 395 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:19.359 do you have memories of interacting with any reptilian beings 396 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.279 or insectoid beings. 397 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.920 I remember seeing some ones that look like praying maniss 398 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.599 that are like the bosses of the grays. You don't 399 00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:30.559 see them very often, but I remember seeing them on 400 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:31.720 a couple occasions. 401 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.160 No, I hear that a lot, that they're the bosses 402 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.680 of the grays, that there's something in control of them. 403 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.519 You think the Grays are just some type of biological 404 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:43.640 AI or something. 405 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.599 Well, I think maybe some of them are, but in general, 406 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:51.799 in general, they are. They are races that in most 407 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.000 cases used to be more like us, and they've had 408 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:57.359 technology for so long that it's it's that it's changed them. 409 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:01.640 They've often, at least short grays, have altered themselves by 410 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:07.359 genetic engineering and over exposure to radiation and overuse of 411 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:14.759 transporters and technologies like that, and now they're trying to 412 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.240 fix themselves. And the Grays are an alliance of like 413 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:25.400 seven similar species and they've all been changed by technology. 414 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.799 You don't want to extend another. But I think the 415 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.559 short grazer and and the worst shape, and that's that's 416 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:34.680 part of the reason they're doing all these subductions. They 417 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.960 want people like us in their society, and they want 418 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.960 to fix themselves with human DNA or something like that. 419 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:46.720 Are there certain are there certain bloodlines that are actually 420 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.880 targeted more for

these abductions and these plants. 421 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:58.200 Oh? Absolutely, it's a. It's a lineage thing. They've mapped 422 00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.079 out all the bloodlines of humanity along ago, apparently, and 423 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.559 they know what characteristics they're interested in, and they hand 424 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.440 pick individuals to be part of their program based on 425 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.440 their bloodlines and and genetic makeup. 426 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.720 I've spoken with a lot of researchers that that tend 427 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:24.440 to believe that there's an ongoing hybridization program. Is that 428 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:29.079 something that you have heard of or encountered, or you know, 429 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.000 been told? 430 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:37.759 Yeah, they they They apparently genetically modify most of the 431 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.599 people that are involved in the program, and they also 432 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.839 have the people that are called that you're calling hybrids 433 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.400 or have a lot more alian DNA and are were 434 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.359 created in the program to tredy beings that that look 435 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.400 like humans but have to call the grey abilities. And 436 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.720 apparently they've had to put so much human DNA and 437 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.839 into them to make them look human that the gray 438 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.319 abilities are quite diluted. But they're they're a lot more 439 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:11.880 psychic and and intuitive than normal humans, and they have 440 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.200 faster reflexes, they're stronger, that sort of thing. 441 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.559 So do you think that these these hybrids are dire 442 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.039 actly walking amongst us? 443 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.920 Yeah? I think so. I don't know how. I don't 444 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.039 know how many, but I have reasonab believe it's at 445 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:28.839 least two thousand. 446 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:37.720 Now from your experiences these beings are they do they 447 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:42.759 have the ability to, I guess, travel interdimensionally? Are they 448 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.039 interdimensional beings? Or are are the are the have you 449 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.400 they been physical? The ones that you've encountered. 450 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.559 Well, I mean they have time trump and in that 451 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.519 sense they're interdimensional. They can travel between between alternate realities. 452 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.079 In fact, they told me that. The one thing they 453 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.480 did tell me is is that they don't like to 454 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.960 use time travel. It's more dangerous than space travel. You 455 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.839 can get into an alternate reality, and it would be 456 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:13.799 it might be difficult to got And but no, I 457 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:18.799 don't think they're from from an alternate universe per se. 458 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:25.240 They told me there that they're from. Their races are 459 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.039 in general from planets within one hundred light years of here, 460 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.200 one of which one of which is they to articulate 461 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.720 for and sixty one ers some majorist three is another one. 462 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.920 I find it interesting that you said they used to 463 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.240 be a lot more like us, and you know, all 464 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.440 these things that they've done to themselves have changed their 465 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:55.039 appearance for time. Do you think that they were very 466 00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:00.640 much like humanoid beings, possibly humans, you know, and they're 467 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:01.880 they're us in the future. 468 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.559 I've heard some of them are. Yeah. Area fifty one 469 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.160 supposedly made contact with a group of grays that were 470 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.640 humans from the future, from like a million years from now. 471 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.440 And typically these beings start looking like grays when they've 472 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.240 had technology for well in excess of one hundred thousand 473 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.960 dollar years, usually like on the order of a millionaire. 474 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:26.960 That's my understanding. 475 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:35.559 Anyway, Now, what are your thoughts on our secret space program? 476 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.839 Do you think that we have operations on the Moon, 477 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.200 on the Mars? 478 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.359 Yeah, I think we've had a secret space program for 479 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:52.480 a long time, according to my research. When the Air 480 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:54.599 Force announced they were getting out of the space business 481 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.400 back in nineteen fifty seven, I believe it was and 482 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.200 they formed NASA, that was for show. I mean, they 483 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:02.920 never did get out of the space business. They've had 484 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.400 a secret space program ever since then. NASA has always 485 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.720 been a dog and pony show to occupy the public 486 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.519 and to get all the space scientists under one roof 487 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:16.759 where they can be controlled and what they say can 488 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:23.119 be controlled. And the Air Force has been trying to 489 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.680 advance in a space for ever since then, and they've 490 00:32:27.680 -->

00:32:35.920 had anti gravity powered craft. They're like, you know, primitive 491 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.599 versions or less sophisticated versions of what the aliens have 492 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:40.839 since the late sixties. 493 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.799 From one to understand, how far ahead do you think 494 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.119 our military industrial complex is as far as technology. I mean, 495 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.440 I've heard up to fifty years. 496 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.200 Yeah, in general, it's about that in certain areas are 497 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.359 more than one hundred years ahead, but yeah, about fifty 498 00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.119 years in general. 499 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.319 And do you think that we will ever see any 500 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:10.119 of this possible free energy technology, you know, anti gravity 501 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:11.039 like that. 502 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.839 I think we're probably going to see the anti gravity 503 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.400 before we see the free energy. I think in order 504 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.039 to see the free energy, we're going to have to 505 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.480 change how we how we govern this planet and and 506 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.119 you know, take the power out of the hands of 507 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.680 this this power elite that controls people that don't know 508 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.279 all the oil companies and the pharmaceutical companies and and 509 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.920 the big in this reason, in general, the reason we 510 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.559 the reason we haven't gotten off oil is not because 511 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.240 there aren't better ways of generating power, but because, uh, 512 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.079 oil and so called fossil fuels are as good as 513 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:51.240 it gets as far as the profit margin for the 514 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.400 power elide. You need to burn megatons of the stuff 515 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.480 to generate any great amount of power, and it's a 516 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.640 substance that occurs all over the place. That we're not 517 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.839 running out. That's a myth that we're running out. It's 518 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:07.400 generated from inorganic reactions deeper than the earth. There has 519 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.760 nothing to do with fossils, and specifically at the crust 520 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.840 out near the crust mantle boundary. That's why if any 521 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.480 place starts faulting, oil comes to the service. It's actually 522 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.639 the liquid that the crystal plates float on. But in 523 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:26.360 any event, we're not running out, and you have to 524 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.159 burn megatons of the stuff, and you can charge a 525 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.840 hundred dollars a barrel for it, and it's difficult to 526 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.760 see any other way of generating power have a higher 527 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.679 profit margin than that. And they also control people that way. 528 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.840 You need their oil in order to generate power. If 529 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:45.440 we had free energy, then you could have a little 530 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.719 box that would power your house and everybody would be independent. Yeah, 531 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:56.480 they have. Even when they have things like nuclear power, 532 00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:01.760 for example, they want to make huge megapower plants out 533 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.239 of it that everybody else to depend on, rather than 534 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:09.320 smaller units that would be safer, you know, that centralized. 535 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.679 That brings me to my next point of I think that's, 536 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.719 you know, the reason why so many of us believe 537 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.239 that or want to believe that these elites are in 538 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:26.280 control from an off planet or a malevolent source, or 539 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.119 even some kind of demonic source. They don't want to 540 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.599 believe that humans just come up with this on their own, 541 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.519 and then they want to enslave humanity just for the 542 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.280 sake of power, just for the sake of money. But 543 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.559 you know, I'm still on the fence. Is it just 544 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:46.440 humanity and slaving itself or is there something out there that's, 545 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.280 you know, controlling them, pulling their strings. What are your 546 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:49.840 thoughts on that. 547 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.000 I think it's a little of both. I think that 548 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:57.400 the the power lead are extremely corrupt, morally bankrupt individuals, 549 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.280 and I think they probably are being influenced by aliens 550 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:06.639 of some strike, probably reptilians like they say. And one reason, 551 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.400 one reason I think that there's some alien influence involved 552 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.800 is because there seems to be a very long term, 553 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.599 multi century plan to do all this enslaving of humanity, 554 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:22.360 and I just don't believe that the humans are capable 555 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:26.159 of planning much beyond a human lifetime. It just it 556 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:32.760 would be highly uncharacteristic anyway for individuals that corrupt give 557 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.320 two hoots about what happens after they die, So aliens 558 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.239 have a much longer lifespan. So that's that's why I 559 00:36:40.239 -->

00:36:43.119 think that there probably is some alien alien influence involved 560 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.280 with us, but I don't think it's really the Grays. 561 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.000 I think if it is aliens, it probably is the repbillions. 562 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.760 Yeah. I mean, there's so many aspects of our society 563 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.480 that is going I believe in the wrong direction. I mean, 564 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.639 we're seeing enhancements in technology, but what are we using 565 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.800 it for. I mean, most of the nation is staring 566 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.719 at their their smartphones and not producing anything, not giving 567 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.760 back to society, and you know, it's all about themselves 568 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:19.119 and their devices and just the nonsense that the media 569 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:24.480 is spewing out there. The agendas seem to get worse 570 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.360 every year, and people are just buying into it and 571 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.400 going along with it, and it doesn't seem to be 572 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.199 changing in any way. There's a few of us that 573 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.480 are waking up to this and and becoming aware and 574 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.840 spreading the word, but it doesn't seem to be enough 575 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.599 to be making a change that in the direction we 576 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:45.159 need to go. 577 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.039 Yeah, I think we're making it progress, but I hope 578 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.239 it's just not it's not too little, too late. I mean, 579 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.639 the Grays really do want us to wake up and 580 00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.000 and do do things better and and things. There's really 581 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.039 a reason technologically why things can be getting better and 582 00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.760 better on this planet instead of worse and worse. The 583 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.039 only reason they're getting worse and worse in mightin is 584 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.440 because the power elite want more and more and more 585 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.639 money out of us, more and more and more control. 586 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:21.280 And when you disempower people and and make and you know, 587 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.599 take all their money away and everything, then things are 588 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:29.199 definitely gonna get worse and worse. The type of system 589 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.840 that they that they have set up and that they 590 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.480 that they want to promulgate is and sustainable, and the 591 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:41.920 grades are concerned about that too. And all the technology 592 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.320 we we do have we use for or release governments 593 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.400 use for better ways of killing each other. And we 594 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.519 need to we need to, you know, do something instructive 595 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.719 as a race, whether then always destructive. I mean, there's 596 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.280 no reason why we ought to behave with every new 597 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:01.920 technology like a kid that's found his father's gun. I mean, 598 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.280 as it's you know, we needed, we need to be 599 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.480 more responsible than that. 600 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.840 Now you said that it's the Grays that they'd want 601 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.440 to help us. I hear so many contrady stories about 602 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.519 the Grays. Yeah, they're very misunderstood. I think some of 603 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:26.519 them actually are leveling, hyper robotic entities that may be 604 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.000 under control of reptilian races. But I hear some of 605 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.679 them are here to help us. So you've experienced primarily 606 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.159 the ones that are here to help or so they say. 607 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.760 Well, yeah they're not they're not warm and fuzzy, but 608 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.039 and they're here. They're mainly here to help themselves to 609 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:48.039 our resources and such, but they are here condarily to 610 00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:49.960 to help the planet and to help us become a 611 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:57.760 more more sane and responsible race. Definitely, But I disagree 612 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.280 with people say that they're total scum, sucking evil. I mean, 613 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.280 I just I just haven't really experienced that. 614 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:08.639 Do you think that there was an agreement with Eisenhower 615 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.480 and DZTS for technology in exchange for human abduction? 616 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.599 Yeah? I think there was. I don't have any any 617 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.760 proof of that, but it certainly makes sense. I mean, 618 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.800 they had a they had a big, a big to 619 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.480 do with UFOs over the White House in nineteen eighty two, 620 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.320 and they were trying to shoot and shoot them down 621 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.679 prior to that big time, And it sort of makes 622 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.320 sense that that somebody would have requested a meeting, and 623 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.639 Eisenhower was actually missing during a couple of time periods 624 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.679 when people said they had a meeting with the Grays 625 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.920 at Bright Patterson Air Force Base, it said that Kennedy 626 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.960 out with them too, And I was kind of mad 627 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.800 that they about them selling us out at first, but 628 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.719 then I

figured, well, but else, what else really could 629 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.800 they do that If they had not agreed to it, 630 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.199 the Grays would have just done it anyway, and they 631 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:07.880 wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. They wanted to 632 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.480 get technology out of it, at least. 633 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.360 So what are your thoughts on what's happening now with disclosure? 634 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.639 There's i'd like to say, interesting things happening. I don't 635 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:25.000 know what direction they're trying to come with this. With 636 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.559 the Navy sidings and all the mainstream media talking about 637 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.599 UFOs and now this whole craze with storm Area fifty one, 638 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.320 it just seems like it's all happening at one time 639 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.199 more prevalent. Now, do you think that there's some sort 640 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:44.159 of agenda there. 641 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.000 Yeah, I think there always has There always has been 642 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:53.280 two conflicting agendas and government about disclosure. The intelligence agencies 643 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.920 want to keep the alien presence under wraps forever, and 644 00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.320 a lot of other government agencies want to disclose or 645 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.159 at least in a controlled manner, after a certain amount 646 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.159 of time. And I think the Navy now believes that 647 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.320 that time has come and that we should we should 648 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.079 be seriously preparing the public for for disclosure, and they 649 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.920 have a lot hole and I think that that they 650 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:21.719 and maybe some other government agencies have instituted a push 651 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.480 for this and said told the intelligence community community that 652 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.679 enough is enough, We're going to do this. But yeah, 653 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.360 several people have told me that that there's more of 654 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.400 a push for disclosure right now than than ever before. 655 00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.199 And it was really kind of abrupt because just like 656 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.440 two years ago, we were in the midst of another 657 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.840 crackdown on talking about UFO. So it goes in cycles, 658 00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.519 but this this this cycle appears to be it appears 659 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.800 to be different according to what I've heard, and that 660 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.239 that we may actually get disclosure at the end of 661 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:52.800 it this time. 662 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.679 Do you think that we will see it within. I 663 00:42:56.679 -->

00:42:58.559 don't know how to say the next five years. 664 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.079 Yeah, there's a good chance. I'm not going to say 665 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:05.800 for sure, but I think there's maybe a fifty good 666 00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.320 de chance we'll see disclosure within five years. 667 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.480 Now. What are your thoughts on what's happening with Trump? 668 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.360 Do you You know, I don't really follow politics. I never 669 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.800 trusted the presidents. I always believe there are puppets. But 670 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.639 you know, like I tell people, I do see something 671 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.360 with Trump that I haven't seen before. I just don't 672 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.760 know if there's another agenda behind that, you know, a 673 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.599 hidden agenda behind the agenda. It's so hard to tell 674 00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.559 with everything that's happened. What are your thoughts. Do you 675 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:41.320 think he's on our side and he's trying to get 676 00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.679 the ball rolling in the right direction for us. 677 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.199 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump Trump in part 678 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.719 started this latest push towards disclosure. I know his I 679 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.639 believe it was his father was heavily involved in in 680 00:43:56.239 --> 00:44:02.039 UFO research from within the government, and he knows all 681 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:10.079 about all about this stuff, and I think that he's not. 682 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:12.000 Part of the reason that people are so against him 683 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:13.840 is that in the media is because he's he's not 684 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.559 a puppet, or at least he's not nearly as much 685 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.519 of a puppet as the last few presidents we've had, 686 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:21.320 and that worries him a lot. And these people in 687 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.559 the so called deep state are very worried about him 688 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.960 who he's, from their point of view, loose cannon, and 689 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.000 he wants to put things back the way they were. 690 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.960 So do you see do you see a victory for him? 691 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.679 Do you think we're still going to keep going in 692 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:38.400 that same. 693 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.519 Direction as far as disclosure or. 694 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:48.000 As far as the election, do you think that he 695 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.960 has a chance that we're going to keep moving in 696 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:51.559 that direction? 697 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.000 Do I think he's going to get re elected you mean? 698 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.960 Or yeah, yes, I believe it will get re elected. 699 00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:02.559 I think that people, that the deep state people are 700 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.679 not going to be able to counter the groundswell of 701 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.880 positive public opinion about Trump improving the economy and trying 702 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:13.719 to stop this agenda of giving all power to illegal 703 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:18.400 aliens and and and all that sort of thing. They've 704 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:19.400 been this crazy stuff. 705 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:28.119 Now as far as all these other agendas, these you know, 706 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.440 these hidden agendas to you know, you see it, I'm 707 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.559 trying to dumb us down through the media very suspect 708 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.239 of five G. I don't believe that it's going to 709 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.079 be just for faster download speeds. I believe that there's 710 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.960 some malevolent purposes behind that. What are your thoughts on that? 711 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.880 Oh, I totally agree. I mean, I've seen indications from 712 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.199 what I've been from from my research that five G 713 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.159 can be weaponized and can be used to spy on people, 714 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:05.480 and can be used to do mind control and several 715 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.159 other things. And that's the reason the government is pushing 716 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.039 for it. So are it's not to download PDF files 717 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:16.719 faster than we can do now, Everybody, including Trump and government, 718 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:20.840 wants five years. They're just salivating for it, and to 719 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.960 the point where they're willing to launch like a trillion 720 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:29.920 dollars worth of Theodolites in order to support it. And 721 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.440 this is in spite of the fact that I'm it's 722 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.920 known for sure that radiation in that wave band is 723 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.599 terrible for you, and they're planning on bathing the planet 724 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:47.679 and low levels of high gigur its turrets radiation, and 725 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:49.079 nobody knows what effect that'll have. 726 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:56.199 It can't be good, definitely. Now, as far as our 727 00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:04.519 secret space program of the UFOs, that do you believe 728 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.519 that those are actual off planet crafts or do you 729 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:09.320 think that's a lot of our military. 730 00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.159 I think most of them are alien. My my personal 731 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.119 opinion is that most of them are are alien, but 732 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.000 maybe a third of them or are ours. The percentage 733 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.320 of ones that are ours is probably going to continue 734 00:47:23.320 -->

00:47:31.679 to increase increased. In the nineteen sixties and seventies, they 735 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:36.639 reportedly perfected the any gravity craft to the point where 736 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.360 it was pretty safe and can carry large loads such 737 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.400 around the n around the mid nineties, so they have 738 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:51.559 a now a fleet of any gravity powered spacecraft. And 739 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.840 a Congressman from Alaska during that that hearing on disclosure 740 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.960 that they that they that Steve Bass held in Washington, 741 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.239 d C. Actually admitted that during the proceedings. 742 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.119 Now, as far as the the alien species, the Grays 743 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:17.079 for instance, they they have an agreement that they can't 744 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.800 intervene with anything in our planet. Is that right? 745 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.840 Well, I think there's a there's like an alien un 746 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:32.079 where all the powerful alien species in act, and I 747 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.599 think they've got got a rule that they cannot, you know, 748 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:41.679 interfere in primitive planets unless they have local government approval. 749 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.280 And the Grays now have local government approval to do 750 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.400 certain things, but I don't think they can do anything 751 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.840 they want down here. Even still, I think they're also 752 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.440 there's subject to the will of other powerful alien species. 753 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.960 Now, have you seen an increase in implants? Uh? Since 754 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.280 you first started researching this. 755 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:08.320 It's hard to say. I know that that most people 756 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.559 that come to see me have implants, because that's a 757 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:17.199 that's a totally, very highly enriched, pre selected sample of 758 00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:24.119 people towards having implants or abduction activity. But as far 759 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:31.000 as an increase in introduction and the prevalence of implants 760 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.119 in the general population, I think so, But I don't 761 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.440 I don't know. I don't know how to how to 762 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:45.960 prove that. We'd have to do a study involving a 763 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.239 large number of people to prove that. Certainly the number 764 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.760 of UFO sciens has gone up, and most likely most 765 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.559 most of those UFO sidings are abduction related. I mean, 766 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.039 I have reasonably they apply thus the sorties a day 767 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.079 for supporting the abduction program. 768 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.840 Now, do you think that it's possible that we will 769 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.440 have disclosure from them and not it won't come from us. 770 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.559 Yeah, it's possible. It's quite possible. 771 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:17.719 I know. 772 00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.400 I've been saying that for years that that the Aliens 773 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.920 are going to disclose themselves eventually if we don't. And 774 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.559 it's possible if the Aliens give an ultimatum that they've 775 00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.679 they've got to disclose or or or we will, and 776 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.920 that would certainly get the ball rolling. I don't I 777 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:34.679 don't know that for a fact, but it's possible. 778 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.159 Very interesting now, Steve, I want to thank you again 779 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.239 so much for coming on tonight, and uh, could you 780 00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.960 give everybody your websites before you head out? 781 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:53.679 Yeah? Sure, it's it's www dot Alien Evidence, Inc. High 782 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:59.320 n C. Dot webs dot com. And it needs a 783 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.360 little work, but it's got a couple of papers on 784 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:08.719 it on my implant and patient sixteen's implant that I 785 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.119 think people that are scientifically minded would find very interesting. 786 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:19.519 Both of them were sophisticated nanotechnological devices with large amounts 787 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:24.360 of carbon nanotubes in the interior, and I urge everybody 788 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.480 to take a look at those and there's there'usly ample 789 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:31.679 evidence from my analysis that both the those pieces were 790 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:32.480 from off planet. 791 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.639 Very good, and I want to thank you so much 792 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.320 again for coming on tonight, Steve, and you have an 793 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:40.599 excellent rest of your night. 794 00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:44.199 Okay, you too, and thank you for inviting me. 795 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:51.199 All right, good night, Good that tonight, I want to 796 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.159 welcome Joe Garbin. He has worked for more than thirty 797 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.400 five years as an international industrial science consultant and educator 798 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.000 and as the inventor of several commercially successful technologies. He 799 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.719 is the President emeritus of the nonprofit New Energy Movement 800 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.280 and co author of the award winning book Breakthrough Power, 801 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:14.800 How Quantum Leap new energy Inventions can transform our World, 802 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.840 with chronicles the challenges, opportunities, and

progress and the new 803 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.400 energy technology field. Joel, welcome, How are you tonight? 804 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:24.920 Hey, great Chris, happy to be here with you. 805 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.000 Well, welcome. Tonight's going to be fascinating because we're going 806 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.599 to be discussing a little bit of a new topic 807 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:35.079 for you, and it's based on your research into the 808 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.519 famous Your Ranch Of book, and you're going to be 809 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.280 presenting this also at the upcoming UFO Mega Conference in Laughlin, Nevada, 810 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:47.960 this February. First, let's get more about you and your 811 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:52.800 background and you know what eventually brought you to this research. 812 00:52:53.960 --> 00:53:00.119 Okay, Well, professionally, I'm a scientist and my work has 813 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:05.239 been in the industrial science field as a consultant mostly 814 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.920 to the chemical industry, pulp and paper industry, and water 815 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.840 treatment industries, and I travel around to various nations over 816 00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:18.400 the last thirty five years doing consulting to help the 817 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:23.760 folks in those fields, particularly the engineers, help them optimize 818 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.320 their processes. And along the way, I had learned quite 819 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:31.840 a few things that gave insight to some new technologies 820 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.960 that I was able to invent that's contributed some good 821 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.559 things to those fields. So that's been very satisfying. But 822 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.119 I guess, kind of on a more fundamental level, I'll 823 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.119 give you some idea of my background. So I grew 824 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.880 up in a very large family, a farm family outside 825 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:55.280 of Cincinnati, Ohio, raised in a very devout Catholic family. 826 00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:03.559 Had some interesting experiences as a youth. When I was 827 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.480 in my i'd say twelve thirteen years old in the 828 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.639 early nineteen seventies, my family had a sighting, very significant 829 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.679 sighting of a UFO on our farm. It lasted for 830 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:20.840 probably twenty minutes. Several of it was like a cluster 831 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:25.400 of these very bright colored objects that hung up there 832 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.519 in the sky for a while, and then they separated 833 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.559 into these individual spheres. Stayed like that for a little bit, 834 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.440 then they all departed in different directions very quickly. It 835 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:40.079 was really an amazing experience. And at that time in 836 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.760 the Ohio Valley, there were lots of UFO sidings being reported. 837 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.239 In fact, even on the front page of the newspapers 838 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.159 a lot of these accounts were being given, So there 839 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.800 was a real UFO flap going on at the time, 840 00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.760 and that kind of stimulated some of my interest in this, 841 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.519 although I would say that was submerged for quite some time. 842 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:07.559 Then later in it was probably my junior year in 843 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.719 high school, I had a I was involved in a 844 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:18.599 very severe car accident that basically looked like it was 845 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.639 going to take my life, and I had a what 846 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.880 you would call a near death experience and a full 847 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.519 life review that went along with that. That was really 848 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.639 traumatizing to me, and I really couldn't make sense of it. 849 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.800 Tried to talk to my parents about it, but it 850 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.159 wasn't coming out right or they were dismissive of it, 851 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.519 and I just had to kind of again kind of 852 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:47.239 bury this thing in me for quite some time. And 853 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:50.719 you know, later as an adult, and I would say 854 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.960 probably around the late nineties, I started to really get 855 00:55:55.519 --> 00:56:01.039 some impulses to start investigating some of these fields more extensively, 856 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:07.679 including more more interest in the ufology field and also 857 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:14.280 breakthrough energy technologies, and also an intense interest in world 858 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:18.480 religions and you know, what are some of the real 859 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:22.239 big questions on how are we addressing those right now? 860 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:26.199 And isn't there a better way to know what the 861 00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:28.960 universe really is made of, how it came about, where 862 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:33.280 it's going, what our destiny is. I was very unsatisfied 863 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:38.960 with what I had found in my life to that point, where, 864 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:41.599 you know, being educated, as I said, in a devout 865 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.280 Catholic family, which I really appreciated because there was a 866 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.719 lot of really great stuff in there, and I do 867 00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.760 have a lot of respect for Catholicism, but there are 868 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:56.960 a number of these big questions about origins and history 869 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:02.079 and destiny that were not rested well

there. And I 870 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:06.079 found that that really none of the conventional religions on 871 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.679 our planet does a good job of addressing these and 872 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:16.559 other big questions in a way that is really complete, coherent, 873 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:21.960 and consistent. There's just so many gaps, and I think 874 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:26.239 anyone who really studies religion at all, and oftentimes folks 875 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:32.400 become quite disenchanted because these these basic impulses to know 876 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.920 the search for truth and understanding oftentimes just cannot be 877 00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:42.719 satisfactorily addressed by these religions, and people oftentimes will fall 878 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.639 away as a result. And I think we're seeing that 879 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.599 in droves now with the younger people today. I would say, 880 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.239 in your generation, Chris, my observation has been that the 881 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:58.239 church is largely or empty of the younger people. And 882 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.039 I think a lot of it is because, hey, you know, 883 00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:04.719 young folks are asking the hard questions and they want 884 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:07.360 to have answers in they're entitled to those answers, just 885 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.760 like I. You know, I had that thirst for understanding 886 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.760 and truth and I haven't found it in mainstream religion. 887 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.639 So my mind has always been very open since undertaking 888 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.800 this journey to try to see if there are other 889 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.599 sources of information that might explain this in greater depth. 890 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:34.599 That led to some interesting experiences along this kind of 891 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:42.440 blended path of you know, ufology, energy science, and interest 892 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:49.360 in religion and metaphysics. So in I would say about 893 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.559 nineteen ninety two, I was introduced to a book that's 894 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:57.679 fairly well known called A Course in Miracles, and of course, 895 00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:02.920 of miracles was very found in my experience, and it 896 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:09.119 really opened up something inside me that that shifted what 897 00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:14.079 I would call my own spiritual perception and where I 898 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:18.239 was having a lot of personally profound mystical experiences happening 899 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.960 that I don't you know, didn't speak too much of 900 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.239 to anyone else, and really never had any need for 901 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.000 anyone else to believe it or confirm it anyway, because 902 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:34.079 what I was experiencing myself was so profound and impactful 903 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.199 and was resulting in a transformation in my own life 904 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:42.039 where I really felt like, well, I felt like things 905 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.440 were making more sense and I and I felt like 906 00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:48.920 I was becoming better, better as a better as a parent. 907 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.719 I'm the father of two daughters. I think I was 908 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:56.000 becoming a better friend, a better man, all these things. 909 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.800 It was was very tangible the fruits of what were 910 00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:03.840 going on in this this investigation, and so so that 911 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.800 that particular book of course of miracles and the application 912 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.400 of what it teaches was very very helpful to me. 913 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:15.280 Then then a little bit later, I had become pretty 914 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:21.519 closely associated in the the early uh well, the beginnings 915 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.280 of the Disclosure project that many of your listeners would 916 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:30.599 be familiar with. That's doctor Stephen Greer's a group and 917 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.559 all the activity he's organized around the education about ufology. 918 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.199 And I had, you know a lot of a lot 919 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:43.800 of good interactions with other people associated with that and 920 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:48.159 some some real learning experiences there. A few years later, 921 01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.400 as I had had come to also be closely associated 922 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.159 with the e Seti Ranch, James Gildin's Ranch, uh, And 923 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.119 I've been there many, many dozens of times over the years, 924 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:07.280 well going back to around two thousand and four, while 925 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.599 I was up up there, and I was very familiar 926 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:12.199 with the grounds at that time. But I you know, 927 01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.519 it was late at night. I just you know, kind 928 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.599 of happened to be walking along this area and there 929 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.320 wasn't anybody around really, just kind of some you know, 930 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:23.280 large trees and bushes, and I heard these two male 931 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.920 voices speaking, and as I got up close, just walking by, 932 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.280 I heard one of them say to the other, have 933 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.800 you ever read a Course of Miracles? Well, that immediately 934 01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.599 grabbed my attention because, as I mentioned that, the study 935 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:43.000 and practice of course miracles had been such a profound 936 01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.519 impact on me. So I

immediately just stopped and listened 937 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:50.599 very carefully. And then the other male voice said, yeah, 938 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:54.679 that's really great. Have you ever read the Ranchiop book? 939 01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:00.400 And I thought, what a peculiar name, and I really 940 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:03.800 noted it like that, and and the other said something 941 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.760 very confirmative about yeah, that's that's something valuable about that book. 942 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:11.840 And then I just I just moved on. But that 943 01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.719 that question, have you ever read to your Ancher book? 944 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:18.320 It really stuck with me. And and the next day 945 01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:22.599 I went to see, you know, where that area was 946 01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:26.519 where these two voices were, and and really all that's 947 01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:29.400 there is just these really tangled bushes. It's not where 948 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.599 any any people would hang out to have a discussion, 949 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.199 because this is right right, you know, I don't know, 950 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.920 probably fifty yards or so from where most people gather 951 01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:43.440 out in the sky watching field there at the city Ranch. 952 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.519 But this was a kind of not a not at 953 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.400 all place where you would expect to find two men 954 01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.119 late at night, where you can't hardly see your hand 955 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.679 in front of your face because it's so dark. So 956 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:58.000 I didn't know what that all meant. But all all 957 01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:01.639 I knew was that some type of message had been given. 958 01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.440 I followed up by by, you know, getting a copy 959 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.320 of your Antier book and I start to read it, 960 01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.079 and very quickly I was impressed by by the quality 961 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.800 of the information that was in there. Now, I'll let 962 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:22.119 you know, I study a lot of science topics, had 963 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:26.119 studied comparative religions for a long time. You know, generally, 964 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.519 you know, I'm reading things that are are you know, 965 01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:34.360 fairly heady information. I don't read, you know, beach romances 966 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.519 and that type of thing. I'm usually reading some some 967 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:42.920 stuff that uh, you know requires some rigor, okay. And 968 01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.320 one of the things that I immediately noticed in your 969 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:51.119 antier book was the level at which the writing was 970 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.880 stated is at a at least a collegiate maybe even 971 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.800 a master's level. Through through quite a bit of it, 972 01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:05.679 and it was. It was extremely consistent and comprehensive, and 973 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.239 what I would say is coherent regarding a wide range 974 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:19.119 of topics that overall harmonize science and philosophy and religion. 975 01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.840 And it's a thick book, maybe two thousand pages or so, 976 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:29.239 and goes into so much startling detail about each of 977 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:35.480 those topics science, philosophy, and religion that I just could 978 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:43.599 not fathom this coming from human sources. And indeed, there 979 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:47.519 is no claim for human authorship. The claim is that 980 01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:53.519 there's a commission of celestial personalities from various planets who 981 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:59.039 came together to communicate this information to our planet in 982 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:05.000 the nineteen twenties to the mid thirties, and which you know, 983 01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.800 at that time we were in between World War One 984 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:13.079 and World War two, but very interestingly, we were also 985 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:17.119 right in the midst of all these advances in nuclear 986 01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:22.440 physics the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. Well, what's an 987 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:27.599 implication there, Well, obviously what we see, you know, a 988 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:31.360 decade later, is we've got nuclear weapons on this planet 989 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.039 and we all know who those who follow the uthology field, 990 01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:42.480 there are so many accounts of contact experiences or observations 991 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:47.400 of UFOs around nuclear facilities things like this, or or 992 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:52.440 supposed communications to contact these where the beings expressed is 993 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:58.320 very deep and dire concern about our planet's unwise use 994 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:03.559 of technology, including you know, nuclear physics because of the 995 01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:08.320 arm our destructive capacities that we've developed with it. So 996 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.960 it's very interesting about the timing when the ranch of 997 01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:16.760 book information came along, because it was in advance of 998 01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:19.639 what became well known as the Roswell incident. So many 999 01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:24.119 of these other incidents there, so very very interesting. So 1000 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.199 I'll just kind of kind of leave it at that 1001 01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.440 right now, and you know, you and I talk a 1002 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:30.599 little more now. 1003 01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:36.519 The origins of the Urania book is very mysterious. I

1004 01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:39.639 know there's no real known author. Have you been able 1005 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.079 to do any more research into the origins of the book? 1006 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:49.039 Well, I have gone back to the headquarters of where 1007 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:54.079 the Uranchia Foundation is located. So the book itself, as 1008 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:57.519 I said, the information was communicated to a small group 1009 01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:01.119 of doctors and their associates in the nineteen twenties up 1010 01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:06.199 to about nineteen thirty five, and they had formed quite 1011 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.199 a large what they called a forum of individuals from 1012 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:14.159 from from a wide range of backgrounds and careers, men 1013 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:17.719 and women, you know, kind of like from very professional 1014 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:21.679 ranks down to you know, fairly common blue collar ranks 1015 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:27.119 and others. And that forum group had quite a role 1016 01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:32.039 to play in reading the material as it was coming 1017 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:36.599 out through those years, asking questions and then seeing what 1018 01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:38.599 comes from those questions. And it was kind of like 1019 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.239 a back and forth exchange for quite a number of 1020 01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:49.159 years until the information had been communicated in completeness, and 1021 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:54.599 then the the what was called the Urancha Foundation was 1022 01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.599 formed in nineteen fifty with the intention to publish this 1023 01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.920 information as a book. Nineteen fifty five it actually was 1024 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:06.039 published and was first the first edition was released. So 1025 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:10.760 that headquarters, where the Rancher Foundation is located and where 1026 01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:16.800 the communications occurred is in this small mansion in Chicago. 1027 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.199 So a couple of years ago I went back there 1028 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:22.039 for my first time to meet with the people who 1029 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:25.920 were there, who maintained the property and who's still there's 1030 01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.800 a small group there who meets occasionally or maybe on 1031 01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:32.439 a weekly basis to discuss the information, and they were 1032 01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:35.439 able to give me a lot of information about the background. 1033 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.239 I was able to see the library, a lot of 1034 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.279 the photos and things of people who were early associated 1035 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:46.640 with this, and just had an amazing time. It was really, 1036 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:51.159 really great. I really welcomed the reception they

gave me. 1037 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:54.319 They knew I was intensely interested and serious about this, 1038 01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:58.000 and they rose to the occasion to give me the 1039 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.119 type of tour and the information that they could They 1040 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.920 could tell I was legitimately seeking, so uh, it was. 1041 01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:05.239 It was. It was really good. 1042 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:12.119 Now when you look back at all the the religious 1043 01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:16.640 texts and scriptures throughout the world. It seems to be 1044 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.199 the same version of the story, just told differently, but 1045 01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:27.520 a diluted version throughout every every different ancient text and writing. 1046 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.800 But the Rancho book seems to bring it all together 1047 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:34.760 and brings so much detail into it and and gives 1048 01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:38.079 a greater understanding. And it seems that there was this, 1049 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:43.000 I guess you could say, one world type of spiritual 1050 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:47.119 practice or belief that used to that used to exist. 1051 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:51.560 Yeah, that's a keen observation on your part here, Chris. 1052 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.439 So I'm going to give you my perspective on this, 1053 01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:58.760 and I will try to differentiate and remember to differentiate 1054 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:03.039 between what is you know, Joel Garvin's thoughts and opinions 1055 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:09.359 versus what the the celestial authors of the material say. Okay, So, 1056 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.680 as I mentioned, they claim to be, you know, these 1057 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:20.039 celestial beings from many different planets, including beings from this planet, 1058 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.760 who have been here ever since the beginning of human 1059 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:30.840 civilization and even earlier. So they have been witnesses to 1060 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.920 the history of this planet and the rise of humanity 1061 01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:40.079 from animal origins through the whole you know, evolutionary process, 1062 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.760 and they have they have observed history as it's unfolded here, 1063 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:54.119 including how primitive man practiced his original natural religion, which 1064 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:59.079 they would call, let's see the word that they use 1065 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:05.840 for that is evolutionary religion as opposed to revealed religion. 1066 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:11.199 So as as the the evolutionary religions are happening, it's 1067 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.960 it's it's pretty much unfolds the way we would expect. 1068 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:24.079 You know, primitive man worshiped nature worship, you know, lightning, plants, animals,

stones, mountains, volcanoes, 1069 01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:26.880 all these things in the natural world that were very 1070 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:32.319 impressive and sometimes fear inspiring or awesome to them. They 1071 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:37.920 also we were very curious and fearful of what happens 1072 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:42.399 when when their family members and friends die and all 1073 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.640 of a sudden, this animated body suddenly has no animation 1074 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.960 at all, and it had an inherent sense that something 1075 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:52.039 went out of it, you know, and they thought of 1076 01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:56.039 these things in terms of ghosts and at okay, where 1077 01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:59.479 did that go? And you know, is it still lingering around? 1078 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:04.039 They always sense it was still somehow associated with the body, 1079 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.479 and so they were they're very afraid of this concept 1080 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.880 of ghosts and spirits and things like that. So later 1081 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:18.399 later religion evolved as a type of you know, ghost cults, 1082 01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:21.640 or spirit cults things like that, and just kind of 1083 01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.960 progressed on like that over a very long periods of times, 1084 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:30.159 and we're talking hundreds of thousands of years. And what 1085 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:34.600 the celestial authors of the Ranchibook say is that it 1086 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:39.520 wasn't until about five hundred thousand years ago that the 1087 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:44.840 first instances of revealed religion happened, and that that was 1088 01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:51.640 associated with the arrival on this planet of a planetary administrator, 1089 01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:56.600 a very high order being who was sent to this 1090 01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:02.199 planet along with a staff of of other beings with 1091 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:09.760 the mission to teach human beings and advance human culture 1092 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.319 on this planet in a lot of basic ways to 1093 01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:19.359 begin with. So that would be teaching agriculture, basic industry 1094 01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:25.439 like metalworking, pottery making, animal husbandry, the basics of hygiene, 1095 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:31.199 the basics of home building, the basics of culture, from 1096 01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:37.880 the standpoint of governance, family, Uh, how do you how 1097 01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:43.159 do you live with civility instead of savagery? Things like this. 1098 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:49.000 And then they also imparted the earliest teachings of revealed religion. 1099 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:53.640 And this is coming from the the the understanding that 1100 01:13:53.720 --> 01:14:00.680 these advanced celestial beings have of the origin, nature, and 1101 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:06.000 history of of you know, the universe at large, including 1102 01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:11.520 its creator. So they are bringing information about what we 1103 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:18.600 might call God, and they imparted relatively simple teachings about 1104 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:23.920 about God and the creative universe, and they were only 1105 01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:29.520 only enough to really make an impression on the the 1106 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:33.199 you know, primitive man's mind. Basic things, but you might 1107 01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.560 say they were kind of like the rudiments of what 1108 01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:40.960 later became known as the Ten Commandments. So just kind 1109 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.680 of simple instructions here and and that was about all 1110 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:48.319 that could be handled at that time by the primitive man. 1111 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:54.800 But they they that administration from that, that planetary administrative 1112 01:14:54.840 --> 01:15:00.880 being went along quite normally, because this is a normal 1113 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:06.720 process that happens, they say, on any inhabited planet where 1114 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:12.199 the evolutionary life has resulted in the arise of human 1115 01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:17.000 beings from animal origins, that it is normal for at 1116 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.640 a certain stage in the primitive human progress, there's the 1117 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:26.640 arrival of this planetary administrator being and the staff that 1118 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:32.000 goes along with that, and so on our planet. Apparently 1119 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:36.199 that went along pretty well for about three hundred thousand years, 1120 01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:41.000 and it started from the headquarters world or the headquarters 1121 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:45.359 capital of that administrative being in Staff, which they said 1122 01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:49.640 was located in the Persian Gulf. And what they would 1123 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:56.840 do is they would bring to that headquarters city all 1124 01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.399 of the best and brightest from the surrounding tribes and races, 1125 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:04.319 and they would educate them there at the headquarters. And 1126 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:07.319 after they had imparted you know, a good deal, this 1127 01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:11.840 kind of kind of basic education for advancing culture, they 1128 01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:15.000 would send those those best and brightest humans back to 1129 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:20.000 their tribes as ambassadors so that they could teach. And 1130 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:22.399 then and then, you know, again, this kept going in 1131 01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:27.039 successive waves and started to radiate out to to you know, 1132 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:32.199 a greater diameter of influence, uh, you know, of of 1133

01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:36.760 the the primitive human culture that was you know, surrounding 1134 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:42.920 this this first capital on our planet. Then apparently something 1135 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:48.920 went awry where they said there was a rebellion within 1136 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:55.560 our local system of planets, and that the rebellion occurred 1137 01:16:55.760 --> 01:17:00.640 at a at a very high level. Basically the Admistrator 1138 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:06.840 being of a whole system of nearly six hundred inhabited planets, 1139 01:17:07.479 --> 01:17:11.960 ours being only one of those six hundred some that 1140 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:20.359 that being went into rebellion against the universal administration. And 1141 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:25.640 there were devastating consequences that were, you know, that impinged 1142 01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:31.479 on that rebellion, and it resulted in the quarantine of 1143 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:35.319 not only our planet, but apparently you know, more than 1144 01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:39.960 thirty other planets in our our local system of world. 1145 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:45.640 So now now we were just essentially cut off from 1146 01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:49.640 what apparently are the normal lines of communication that exist 1147 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:55.319 between inhabited planets, and and there's you know, as they 1148 01:17:55.359 --> 01:18:00.920 speak of it, there routinely is travel between veryious beings 1149 01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:04.560 to to all different kinds of planets. But under the 1150 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.920 quarantine situation that all you know now was suddenly abridged 1151 01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:13.600 and not available. There was a lot of chaos that 1152 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:18.319 went on, not only in the celestial realms here, but 1153 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:23.840 but the great progress in culture that had been imparted 1154 01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:26.800 over those three hundred thousand years to the point where 1155 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.439 there were there were you know, cities with you know, 1156 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:35.399 megalithic structures and technology and and you know, humans were progressing, 1157 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:38.439 you know, to a to a fairly high state of civilization. 1158 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:43.640 All of that went into retrograde. And so now the 1159 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:49.960 man who had become fairly uh sophisticated and noble went 1160 01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:55.279 back into a state of barbarism and savagery, and what 1161 01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.960 had been learned became lost. So there was a catastrol 1162 01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:05.680 loss of knowledge that had occurred with this rebellion, and 1163 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:09.279 there's many, many other fascinating details that go along with it. 1164 01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:12.800 But it makes a lot of sense when we go 1165 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:17.720 back and we find that increasingly archaeologists as they as 1166 01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:20.479 they go and they explore and they dig, they uncovered 1167 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:24.880 their findings. Well, what keeps happening? They keep pushing back 1168 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:32.600 the dates for when there apparently was sophisticated advanced human culture. Well, 1169 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:38.880 if this, if this rebellion that we spoke of occurred 1170 01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:43.119 as they say, two hundred thousand years ago, and that 1171 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.960 at that point two hundred thousand years ago there was 1172 01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:49.439 high culture among humans, including cities and technology and all this, 1173 01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:52.479 well that says you know, what we've been finding in 1174 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:55.199 archaeology so far, which has kind of just taking us 1175 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:59.520 back to maybe you know, ten thousand, you know, year 1176 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:03.359 ten thousand BC, let's say, for for you know, go 1177 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.680 Beckley Teppe, you know, in Turkey and some of these 1178 01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:11.760 other sites, you know, But but knowing of of earlier 1179 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:16.960 human dwellings with much lesser sophistication going back some tens 1180 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:19.199 of thousands of years, what it says is there's tons 1181 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:23.039 more to uncover there's all kinds of archaeological opportunities that 1182 01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:26.239 are going to be out there, much of it supposedly 1183 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:31.640 submerged beneath the eastern Mediterranean and in that Persian Gulf 1184 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:35.800 area and and off the coast of India. That that's 1185 01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:39.359 where most of the you know, most of the most 1186 01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.000 incredible fines are likely going to be located. 1187 01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:47.359 Now, when you were speaking of the being that rebelled, 1188 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:50.560 would this be the same story of Lucifer? 1189 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:55.239 Yes, so, so they do give names, they don't hesitate 1190 01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:58.560 to give names and clarification for who these beings are. 1191 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:02.520 So so, the way the authors of the rancherbook describe it, 1192 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:09.199 Lucifer was a high level being who was essentially the 1193 01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:15.039 administrator of our local system of approximately six hundred planets. 1194 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:19.920 And that his administration went along, you know, very well, 1195 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:24.800 and very normally for someone who had his the trust 1196 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.920 that had been imparted to him by the universe administrator. 1197 01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:33.520 And you know,

but there came a time where things 1198 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:38.439 were going awry in his mind. He was starting to 1199 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:46.119 demonstrate a lot of what you might call signs of 1200 01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:52.800 insubordination and a degree of egoic pride and a real 1201 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:58.159 restlessness with what they referred to as the divine plan 1202 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:05.359 of of evolutionary progression, which a key element of that 1203 01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:08.920 plan for our level, for our human level, is that 1204 01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:13.960 despite us starting at these very low animal origin beginnings, 1205 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:22.560 that we gradually evolve and ascend and progress to levels 1206 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:33.640 of spiritual understanding and experiential glory that goes way past 1207 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:39.359 the order of being at which Lucifer was, and at 1208 01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:45.159 this apparently aggravated him to such a degree he just 1209 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:49.159 could not stand the thought of these lowly humans, pathetic 1210 01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:53.880 as we were and may still are, I guess that 1211 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:57.239 we would somehow be part of a divine plan that 1212 01:22:57.319 --> 01:23:01.680 had us bypassing him and going on to much much 1213 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:06.920 greater heights of universal understanding and experience. And there's good 1214 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:10.520 reason for why why all that plan has art or 1215 01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:14.880 being doing that. But anyway, lucifer rebellion is what they 1216 01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:18.640 called it. They said it impacted this whole local system. 1217 01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:22.840 It occurred over over you know, not just in an instant, 1218 01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:27.159 but over some you know, fairly protracted period of years. 1219 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:34.000 But basically what happened was that on thirty some inhabited planets, 1220 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:41.439 the planetary administrator being also joined the rebellion, and you 1221 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:44.159 know ours did from this planet as well, and they 1222 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:46.800 give a name to that being. They say his name 1223 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:53.920 was Calagastia. Now people also say, well, okay, so our 1224 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:57.560 Lucifer and Satan, are they the same thing or what's 1225 01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:01.399 going on? And the authors are very clear and saying, Nope, 1226 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:06.079 Lucifer Satan, those are two different beings. They they they 1227 01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:11.279 have a relationship from the standpoint that while Lucifer was 1228 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:14.119 the head administrative being for our local system of six 1229 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:19.439 hundred some worlds, his first lieutenant essentially was Satan, and 1230 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:24.800 Satan had more in interaction with our planet because part 1231 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:28.319 of his role was to go and to visit the 1232 01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:33.199 various inhabited planets on on on various assignments of administration 1233 01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.079 and things like that. So he was well acquainted with 1234 01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:39.479 our world and the celestial beings here were well acquainted 1235 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:45.560 with him. But anyway, he was able to essentially recruit Calagastia, 1236 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:50.479 our planetary administrator, to join the rebellion, under the promise 1237 01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:57.000 that Calagaskia would essentially be god of the Earth. And 1238 01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:01.159 they say the name, the celestial name or our planet 1239 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.640 Earth is called Uranchia, and that the name itself means 1240 01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:09.960 our place in the heavens. But anyway, you know, this 1241 01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:14.000 is how they describe what happened here, and it resulted 1242 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:18.960 in planetary havoc for the human race and for culture itself, 1243 01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:23.039 and caused a lot of problems for other celestial orders 1244 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.760 who were essentially trapped here on our planet because because 1245 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:31.000 of the quarantine, and there were rebellions that and defaults 1246 01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:35.399 that happened in those other celestial realms as well. For instance, 1247 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:39.359 many of the angels effect that It's apparently the majority 1248 01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:42.920 of the angelic beings that were here also went into 1249 01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:48.039 the rebellion because they could not conceive of a brilliant 1250 01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:54.560 administrator like Caligastia of being able to make such a 1251 01:25:54.600 --> 01:26:02.600 gross error as to as to join something that was uh, 1252 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:06.960 that was awry. So they trusted him basically, so they 1253 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:11.439 and they went along and got pulled pulled into that uh. 1254 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:13.600 And there were other orders of being too where there 1255 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:16.319 was you know, quite a bit of losses due to 1256 01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:19.479 the rebellion. So it was a sad state of affairs 1257 01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:24.800 on all levels and and had had dire consequences to 1258 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:30.920 human culture and was the primary reason for the loss 1259 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.600 of all this knowledge that we had accumulated for three 1260 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.920 hundred thousand years and that we have never recovered since. 1261 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:43.960 And and the implications here and the consequences have been 1262 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:47.720 you know, why we continue to

have, you know, racial strife, 1263 01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:52.319 why we continue to be so ridiculously violent, Why we 1264 01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:57.159 have so many religions of various beliefs, so many of which, 1265 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.560 if not all, that that are not consistent or coherent 1266 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:06.159 or comprehensive as far as how they explain origin's history 1267 01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:09.359 and destiny. So there's a lot of clashes between religions 1268 01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:12.960 and all these things that we're so familiar with, and 1269 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:16.560 not the least of which is the fact that the 1270 01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:21.680 human life span and our susceptibility to illness and things 1271 01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:25.880 like this, many of these things do not exist at 1272 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.680 all on other planets that were not involved in the 1273 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:34.920 rebellion and that have progressed, have continued to progress along 1274 01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:38.720 according to the normal plan Had we been one of 1275 01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:42.039 those planets, we would be so far in advance of 1276 01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:44.600 where we are right now that this planet would be 1277 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:51.000 practically unrecognizable. So it's you know, it was a disastrous 1278 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:54.079 undertaking that happened to us now. 1279 01:27:54.119 --> 01:27:58.760 Also, a good portion of the book talks about the 1280 01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:03.760 life and teachings of Jesus. What can you tell us 1281 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:07.239 about that that that differs from you know, the biblical 1282 01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:08.840 teachings of Jesus. 1283 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:14.960 Yes, so so probably fully uh, well, more than a 1284 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.119 fourth of the book is devoted to the life and 1285 01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:21.359 teachings of Jesus and who he is, what his role 1286 01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:25.319 and mission was, and and you know where, you know, 1287 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:29.399 where do we come into play with with this being 1288 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:34.119 called Jesus. You know, first thing they say is that 1289 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:39.960 that part of the uh, the way the universal administration 1290 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:46.880 of worlds occurs is that, uh, there are various levels 1291 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:54.880 of creator beings and administrative beings. There's a level called 1292 01:28:54.920 --> 01:29:01.039 the Creator Sons and the Creator Mother spirits that are 1293 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:06.960 jointly responsible for the creation and organization of what they 1294 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:13.119 call a local universe. A local universe is a sector 1295 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:17.960 of space time that has has millions of stars in 1296 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:24.399 it and perhaps billions of planets, but that eventually is 1297 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:30.359 to be inhabited, with up to about ten million inhabited planets. 1298 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:34.880 And an inhabited planet is defined as a planet where 1299 01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:40.199 the evolutionary life has progressed to the point where humans 1300 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:44.880 have arisen on it, so it's only considered inhabited when 1301 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:48.319 the human order of life has arisen on the planet 1302 01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:53.319 and we are described our order being is described as 1303 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:59.279 evolutionary will creatures, meaning that we have a free will 1304 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:03.680 prerogati to make moral choices and to know God, to 1305 01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:10.960 know our Creator. So the the creator son, the creative 1306 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:17.279 spirit who organize create the beings that inhabit their local universe. 1307 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:21.159 There are certain things that are required of the creator 1308 01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:25.439 son before he can take will have what they would 1309 01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:29.800 call complete sovereignty over the universe of his own making, 1310 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:35.960 and one of those requirements is that he is required 1311 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:45.720 to essentially incarnate on seven different orders of his beings, 1312 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.720 of the beings that he's created. So, for instance, a 1313 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:55.239 creator some would be required to essentially appear as an 1314 01:30:55.279 --> 01:31:00.439 angel on an angelic level, on the level of the 1315 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:06.159 administrator beings like what Lucifer and Satan reat and other 1316 01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:10.199 orders as well, but he's required to have these actual 1317 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:16.960 life experiences as a being on seven different orders of being. 1318 01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:24.720 The final and lowest experience is the incarnation as a 1319 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:30.880 human being, and that each Creator son is required to 1320 01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:34.800 do this and when he completes that seventh what they 1321 01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:38.720 call a bestow. Each of these are our seven bestows 1322 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:42.600 that after the final bestow in the in the a 1323 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:47.199 life as a flesh and blood human being, and he 1324 01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:52.399 completes that mission successfully, then he is granted sovereignty over 1325 01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:56.720 the local universe of his own making. They say that 1326 01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:03.079 the creator, son of our local universe, incarnated on this 1327 01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:08.800 planet as Jesus of Nazareth. There's a lot of detail 1328 01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:14.039 that goes into the the narrative about this uh such 1329 01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:20.159 such startling

detail. Essentially gives a history of the life 1330 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.880 of Jesus from the from even before he was born. 1331 01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:27.079 It gives kind of the genealogy of his parents, what 1332 01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:31.000 the what the times were like on our planet, especially 1333 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:34.039 in the eastern Mediterranean area, you know, and through in 1334 01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:38.000 Palestine and all that, what the the the Jewish culture 1335 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:41.199 was like at the time in great, great detail. And 1336 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:45.039 then it details essentially his life as a you know, 1337 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:49.000 as an infant, and each year, all the way through 1338 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:53.760 his whole life in just amazing detail. And it provides 1339 01:32:53.920 --> 01:33:03.520 so much, so much of a consistent, coherent tapestry of 1340 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:08.600 who this person was and is, what his role and 1341 01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:12.960 mission was, what his teachings were and what they were 1342 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:17.720 meant to result in. It makes sense, It makes such 1343 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:22.159 profound sense to anyone who reads it, you know, studiously 1344 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:25.319 and seriously, you know, as I have, I know many 1345 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:33.319 others have, and it's you know, it's interesting, Chris. You 1346 01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:35.319 know when I'm I'm going to go speak at this 1347 01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:40.840 uf OMEGA conference in Laflin in next month, in February, 1348 01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:46.680 and the topic of my presentation is is there a 1349 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:51.600 universal religion among the advanced inhabited planets? And much of 1350 01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:56.479 that talk is going to be based on the information 1351 01:33:56.680 --> 01:34:00.399 that's contained in the Your Antier book. And one of 1352 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:04.279 the challenging things in speaking to an audience of many 1353 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:08.920 hundreds face to phase on the topic of religion is 1354 01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:15.439 that religion just strikes the nerves in just about everybody 1355 01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:20.119 for one reason or another, you know, and the name 1356 01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:25.199 Jesus strikes a lot of those nerves as well, and 1357 01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:31.680 even more deeply for various reasons. But the Urantia book 1358 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:37.600 just unabashably calls it out from the standpoint of the 1359 01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:41.680 celestial beings, who are just saying, like, look, we've witnessed 1360 01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.600 all of this from the beginning history of your own 1361 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:50.359 planet and through the beginning of human human beings appearing 1362 01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:55.399 on the planet, and all through your civilization's history. We 1363 01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:58.880 were there, We saw it, and we're giving you our 1364 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:02.520 account and we're giving you our understanding of what this 1365 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:07.520 all is. And it's it's it's just done in such 1366 01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:13.159 an articulate and I would say, as I said, a 1367 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:16.600 pretty pretty high level way. This isn't you know, a 1368 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.600 little kind of fairy tale stuff that you read to 1369 01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:21.920 your kids. This is written at a you know, a 1370 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:23.600 collegiate or master's level. 1371 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:24.680 And it's. 1372 01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:30.479 Anyway, it's really impressed me from the standpoint of the 1373 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:36.239 comprehensiveness of the material, and it's it's consistency, and as 1374 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:42.640 I said, it's it's coherence. It makes sense. It makes sense. 1375 01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:48.680 When you look back at ancient human history. We used 1376 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:53.720 to have open contact with these celestial beings. It seemed 1377 01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:58.560 we had a lot more open contact and things like 1378 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:01.319 you said, just stop. We lost all this knowledge at 1379 01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:05.399 some point. Do you see this ever returning. Do you 1380 01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:07.760 see us ever getting back to an age where we 1381 01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:11.840 can communicate with these beings again and we will get 1382 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.880 back some of this lost knowledge that we used to have. 1383 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:20.560 Well, it appears that some of that is happening now 1384 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:24.479 right with all the contact testimonies that there are, and 1385 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:30.199 I believe that many have had actual contact with various 1386 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:35.960 celestial beings. The material in the your answer book, it 1387 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:41.960 says itself, says, yeah, absolutely, there will be increasing interaction 1388 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:46.680 between beings from other planets on a visible level, on 1389 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:50.199 a relational level, and at that is part of the 1390 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:55.359 normal transaction of culture and commerce. You know in the 1391 01:36:55.479 --> 01:37:00.199 universe that things aren't you know, the way things are 1392 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:04.720 so disordered on our planet are not the norm. You know, 1393 01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:08.960 we were taken off track to such a serious degree 1394 01:37:09.079 --> 01:37:12.279 and we are now such a confused, beleaguered little world 1395 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:17.359 that we can't even comprehend the way things have progressed 1396 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:23.000 on normal worlds. And where where interaction and actual like

1397 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:28.199 daily broadcasts from the universe headquarters to each planet and 1398 01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:31.239 kind of like what's going on on the much larger 1399 01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:35.800 stage that that's commonplace. And what it leads to is 1400 01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:43.800 this breakdown of judgment. Uh, not only within our own 1401 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.960 order of being. You know that that on this world 1402 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:51.520 we have so many judgments between ourselves and people of 1403 01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:54.359 of you know who you know live in other countries 1404 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:56.960 or speak another language, or have a different skin color 1405 01:37:57.039 --> 01:37:59.239 or different religion, or they might just be our neighbor. 1406 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:01.600 We don't like the way wash their car. You know, 1407 01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:05.039 we have so many different different judgments, but you know, 1408 01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:08.960 on these other planets they have they have been educated 1409 01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:16.319 and andculturated to see a brotherhood among first their own 1410 01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:21.439 order a being, the human order. They come to understand 1411 01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:26.800 and experience and live authentically the brotherhood of man, and 1412 01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:31.159 then they extend that increasingly to the brotherhood of all 1413 01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:35.439 created beings. That we are all the children of God. 1414 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:39.079 And of course this was a primary message of Jesus. 1415 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:46.800 His primary message was to be a representative, to be 1416 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:53.760 a the incarnation of the love and mercy of God, 1417 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:58.039 and to teach the reality of the brotherhood of man, 1418 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:02.159 because we are all children of the Divine, and we 1419 01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:07.560 have a divine inheritance awaiting us as part of our 1420 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:12.640 divine destiny, should we choose it. It's not automatic, it's 1421 01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:18.039 not imposed on us. There's nothing at all about how 1422 01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:22.720 the divine relates to our order being. There's nothing at 1423 01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:28.560 all about it that is coercive or that compels us 1424 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:35.239 or commands us. It is simply offered to us. And 1425 01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:40.960 we have various celestial influences, including guardian angels who are 1426 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:44.560 with us, who they say are very real and extremely important, 1427 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:50.199 and the human life and the human progression forward, you know, 1428 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:55.520 being such as those angels, they're continuously nudging us to 1429 01:39:56.720 --> 01:40:03.359 experience and embrace true youth and beauty and goodness, which 1430 01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:07.600 they describe as the divine qualities. And that is we 1431 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:13.079 we more consistently and more frequently choose these experiences of truth, 1432 01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:17.560 beauty and goodness, that we will start to grow a 1433 01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:21.960 reality of our own, that is the human soul. That 1434 01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:26.479 it's actually an evolving reality that becomes increasingly real with 1435 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:30.119 those choices of truth, beauty and goodness. And which is 1436 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:35.000 to say that those same choices are identical with choosing 1437 01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:39.000 the will of God. It's not like there's some big 1438 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:41.640 bearded being up here who's beating on us that you know, 1439 01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:43.760 you've got to obey me, obey me, obey me. It's 1440 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:47.119 not at all like that. It's consistent choices of truth 1441 01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:52.000 and beauty and goodness which which move us forward. They 1442 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:57.119 progress us in our own reality. We become more real, 1443 01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:03.920 and we become much more endowed with spiritual reception, much 1444 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:10.239 more likely to receive direct communication from from spirit, from 1445 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:14.159 deity to us in a very personal way. And it's 1446 01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:20.159 it's what you encounter when you see people who who 1447 01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:23.600 you might say that person is spirit touched. You know, 1448 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:27.520 they they really have something going on. You can tell 1449 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:31.319 it by the person. And these people are good people. 1450 01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:36.159 You could tell they're good people. They they're they're they're 1451 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:41.439 just tremendously motivated to to discover uncover more truth. They 1452 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:44.119 want to have understanding. They want to be of high 1453 01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:47.520 service on this planet. You know, they are loving people. 1454 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:51.640 They're trying to to to minister. They believe that that 1455 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:56.279 there is there is a loving, beneficent God. They believe 1456 01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:59.840 that it makes sense that there's a brotherhood and sister 1457 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:07.239 of humanity. And it's not surprising that their spiritual perception 1458 01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:10.000 and receptivity has blossomed along with that. 1459 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:15.239 So now you know, when you're talking about angels and 1460 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:20.960 spirituality and then you look at UFO research. I'm very 1461 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:24.359 disappointed in some of this UFO research lately because I 1462 01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:33.439

don't think they're connecting dots. I believe that the metaphysical, paranormal, UFOs, extraterrestrials, 1463 01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.399 you know, spiritual beings, angels, I think it's all connected. 1464 01:42:37.920 --> 01:42:40.760 And you know, these fields of research, they keep each 1465 01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:44.279 other separated. They don't communicate with each other enough. And 1466 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.640 I think that if they came together and started researching 1467 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:50.399 this as a whole phenomenon that we could learn so 1468 01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:52.680 much more about it. What are your thoughts on that. 1469 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:55.760 Well, yeah, I think that that's a great insight, Chris. 1470 01:42:56.840 --> 01:43:01.600 There there is a lot of terf for in the 1471 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:05.920 ufology field, just like in any field of research. And 1472 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:12.039 you know, the the development of ego is on fertile territory, 1473 01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:16.319 you know, and any any realm or research. And I 1474 01:43:16.319 --> 01:43:21.760 would say, uh, it's very typical in human observation. That is, 1475 01:43:21.880 --> 01:43:27.840 people become more expert, more recognized, that there is a 1476 01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:33.960 temptation toward becoming you know, more prideful, maybe even more arrogant, 1477 01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:39.159 and very defense of about one's own research. And I 1478 01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:41.079 see this in the science field all the time. 1479 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:41.279 You know. 1480 01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:44.920 I've dealt with with with hundreds and hundreds of very 1481 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:52.279 very uh, very knowledgeable scientists, some some of some renown 1482 01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:57.000 as well and have observed these traits. And I've always 1483 01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:00.600 been very curious that, you know, uh, people who are 1484 01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:05.880 very very intelligent, who aren't willing to look at the 1485 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:11.359 data of somebody else, they become very closeted and dogmatic 1486 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:14.720 about their own research. And I feel very threatened when 1487 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:18.199 there's something else that essentially is a new discovery, and 1488 01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:22.760 I find that very intellectually dishonest from a science level anyway, 1489 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.159 because of course science is meant to be the pursuit 1490 01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:28.800 of truth, and so when it happens in the field 1491 01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:31.680 of uthology, it's not surprising. This seems to be the 1492 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:36.800 human nature here. One of the things that I love 1493 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:42.880 about the Urantia material is it shows the harmony between 1494 01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:45.960 all of these orders you mentioned, you know, so whether 1495 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:50.560 it's the angelic level, other spiritual beings, whether they are 1496 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:54.600 they might just be advanced human beings on other planets 1497 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:58.640 who have technology to travel the universe. It might be 1498 01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:02.359 beings in between, be beings that just are solely of 1499 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:07.000 mind nature with no material nature at all, you know, 1500 01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:10.680 or in all kinds of things in between. The Ranch 1501 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.439 of books speaks of all of that, and it speaks of, 1502 01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:17.359 you know, how they were created, It speaks of what 1503 01:45:17.439 --> 01:45:20.920 their roles and missions are. It speaks of, you know, 1504 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:26.159 where do they hail from. There's so much intense detail 1505 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:33.960 about this that I believe reading this material seriously, and 1506 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:37.359 it's and it's a heavy study, you know, two thousand pages, 1507 01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:39.960 and it would take I would say, the average human 1508 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:42.800 would take at least a year to read it all 1509 01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:45.680 with any type of comprehension at all. Then, like, I've 1510 01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:48.239 been reading it for fifteen years. Others who I study with, 1511 01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:50.720 you know, some of them up to fifty years, they've 1512 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:54.560 been reading the material. So I'm just a neophyte at 1513 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:58.960 fifteen years. But I but I have increasingly been encouraging 1514 01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:04.439 my contacts in the UFO research field to read the 1515 01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:08.239 Urantier book because I think it can help inform them 1516 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.800 in their own field of research. And I just say 1517 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:14.760 you will, and I just tell them, I say, you 1518 01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:18.399 will find it self evident if you were to do that, 1519 01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:22.239 because if you're doing the archaeological part, you'll find so 1520 01:46:22.399 --> 01:46:25.520 much information about the archaeology you might might even pinpoint 1521 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.239 where you should be looking. You know, if you're looking 1522 01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:32.560 at how do you harmonize the philosophy that we're hearing 1523 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:36.720 from the testimony of contact ees? You know, how we 1524 01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:40.680 harmonize that with the science aspect that's in there too? 1525 01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:44.760 How do we harmonize where are they coming from physically? 1526 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:47.359 You know, where are these planets located? Such and such, 1527 01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:51.880 you know, or such things as a planetary rebellion because 1528 01:46:51.880

--> 01:46:54.680 that's not a new theme either. You know, it's certainly 1529 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:57.199 been bedded in the world religions for for you know, 1530 01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:00.560 thousands of years, not and I'm not just saying Judaism 1531 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:03.840 or Christianity. You know, the the idea of a rebellion 1532 01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:07.119 is all over this. You know, demons and angels and 1533 01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:10.119 and and you know demi urges and you know beings 1534 01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:12.920 like all that kind of thing. I mean, it's all 1535 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:17.479 over the place. So there's something for everybody to learn 1536 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:20.960 and to and to advance their own research. I believe 1537 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:24.119 in in reading this even if you just read it 1538 01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:28.960 like a I don't read it like a novel. But 1539 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:33.479 as you read it like a novel, pretty quick you're 1540 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:37.039 going to say, I don't know any human novelist of 1541 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:41.079 this skill and this knowledge based and this wisdom. Because 1542 01:47:41.119 --> 01:47:44.000 even if you took out all of the science references 1543 01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:46.520 or anything about orders of being any of that stuff, 1544 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:51.079 there is so much wisdom that hits you on the 1545 01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:54.800 side of the head and in the heart throughout the book. 1546 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:58.399 It's it's just nothing like it I've I've found in 1547 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:00.920 my experience that's fascinating. 1548 01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:04.319 I'm very much looking forward to your presentation for the 1549 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:06.920 last few minutes that we have, why don't you tell 1550 01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:10.399 us more about the New Energy Movement and some of 1551 01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:13.279 the research and developments that are going on right now. 1552 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:18.119 So, the New Energy Movement is a nonprofit that was 1553 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:21.439 founded back in two thousand and three, and I was 1554 01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:25.399 part of that first group who came together to form 1555 01:48:25.479 --> 01:48:30.039 the organization and served as a second president and then 1556 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.640 four eleven years and then a couple of years ago, 1557 01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:38.479 I handed over the reins to the new president, Susan Manowitch. 1558 01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:43.159 And what we have, you know, done with the organization 1559 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:46.960 over all these years is execute a mission's that is 1560 01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:50.279 largely to educate about what's going on behind the scenes 1561 01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:55.039 and breakthrough energy technologies. And we also have served as 1562 01:48:55.319 --> 01:49:00.199 advocates for the inventor community who are working on these 1563 01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:05.359 these breakthrough UH technologies. Many of the inventors, if not 1564 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:10.079 all of them, have labored for for very long times 1565 01:49:10.359 --> 01:49:15.520 and in UH well, what I would say are very 1566 01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:19.359 compromised conditions, both from the standpoint of funding for their 1567 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:24.920 research or sometimes you know, even like trying to to 1568 01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:30.239 keep uh you know, destructive forces from disrupting their research 1569 01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:33.560 once once they demonstrate that they actually have something that's 1570 01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:38.680 that's uh, you know, of of significant impact and kind 1571 01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:42.119 of all things in between, you know, because being an 1572 01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:44.880 inventor and I am one, so I know what it. 1573 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:47.319 You know, what it takes to go from the idea 1574 01:49:47.359 --> 01:49:49.159 on the back of a n appkin to a to 1575 01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:52.920 a fully successful commercial technology. There's so many stages in 1576 01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:57.079 between where to bring resources to the inventor community is 1577 01:49:57.439 --> 01:50:00.199 a very very valuable service and we we've tried to 1578 01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:01.239 perform that well. 1579 01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:02.239 Uh. 1580 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:06.439 So there's a number of inventors who who I've interacted 1581 01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:10.560 with over the years and continue to and a number 1582 01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:14.079 of discrete projects that I'm working on, uh, some in 1583 01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:19.600 confidence to to help with the resourcing of technologies of 1584 01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:23.439 promise and uh and to try to help help get 1585 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:27.199 the the inventor on uh you know, on a tract 1586 01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:32.039 that is sustainable. So uh it's been a fascinating ride. 1587 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:36.199 And I would say in some ways because of what 1588 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:39.000 I've been able to witness over the years, it's it's 1589 01:50:39.039 --> 01:50:42.439 like we're you know, looking behind the wizard's curtain. You've 1590 01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:44.840 kind of seeing, you know, what's what's going on. And 1591 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:50.560 it's been quite an education for me. Uh you know, 1592 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:54.039 and there's been as I said, before about science in general. 1593 01:50:55.560 --> 01:51:00.439 It's been interesting to see how egos interplay. You know, 1594 01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:03.880 if suddenly you feel like from your research you've invented 1595 01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:09.840 something that will make oil obsolete, the temptations that go 1596 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:14.239 along with that in the mind of

an inventor are immense, 1597 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:20.439 and I've watched some take themselves down because of the 1598 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:23.840 personality distortion that occurred. And these are people who had 1599 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:28.800 real working technologies, right, it's a real problem. One of 1600 01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:31.359 the things that I always try to do with the 1601 01:51:31.359 --> 01:51:38.000 inventors is to encourage them to rediscover their humble gene 1602 01:51:40.159 --> 01:51:42.800 and try to remind them. So many of them would 1603 01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:48.279 say that they were given a vision or a download 1604 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:51.319 or what have you, so they know that the ideas 1605 01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:56.279 aren't originating in themselves. It's actually information that's come to them. 1606 01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:59.880 And I would say probably the majority of them definitely 1607 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:03.760 believe there's extraterrestrial life and believe that you know that 1608 01:52:04.039 --> 01:52:07.439 it's been visiting here for some time, and that there 1609 01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:09.880 is technology and ideas and things like that that are 1610 01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:16.960 being seated here. So to have them remember that these 1611 01:52:17.039 --> 01:52:22.880 ideas have been gifted to them, to maintain the humility 1612 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:27.600 about that experience, and don't all of a sudden think 1613 01:52:27.640 --> 01:52:29.920 that you know, you should be the bill gates of 1614 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:34.279 free energy or something like that, because that's a that's 1615 01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:37.159 a pretty blind hat to go down, and it's taken 1616 01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:38.640 a number of folks down with it. 1617 01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:44.079 Now, are there any new energy technologies that you can 1618 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.680 talk about maybe something we could look forward to in 1619 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:47.520 the near future. 1620 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:56.640 Well, I think that there's a few classifications of technology 1621 01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:02.560 rather than speaking about any particular inventor. You know, the 1622 01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:05.239 the class of technology that's come to be known as 1623 01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:10.039 cold fusion does have some real promise to it. It's 1624 01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:13.640 been very slow in developing over the years because there's 1625 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:18.199 been a lot of dissension about the theory of how 1626 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:21.560 it actually occurs. How do you end up getting excess 1627 01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:29.520 heat from you know, these combinations of common materials. You know, 1628 01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:35.239 oftentimes you know, heavy water and you know, the application 1629 01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:40.159 of of some current through the water through electrolysis processes, 1630 01:53:40.199 --> 01:53:45.079 things like that, and other processes where they might be 1631 01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:49.119 be heating up hydrogen gas in the presence of various 1632 01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:54.199 catalysts like nickel and some other things. And a number 1633 01:53:54.199 --> 01:53:56.880 of those have been described, you know, in the literature, 1634 01:53:57.079 --> 01:53:59.840 and some of them even have gotten very high levels 1635 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:03.039 of funding and things like that. But that ColdFusion field 1636 01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:08.000 in general, that will eventually result in some commercial technologies, 1637 01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:11.359 you know, something that's going to happen within you know, 1638 01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:15.880 three years, five years, a decade. But it has advanced 1639 01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:21.520 to the point where it's very repeatable and it's definitely 1640 01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:24.600 over unity and that you're you're getting more energy out 1641 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:29.600 from the apparent energy input going into the process. That's 1642 01:54:29.640 --> 01:54:32.520 not to say energy is being created, it's just that, 1643 01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:34.720 you know, there are forms of energy that we're not 1644 01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:39.079 very good at measuring that become manifest in the process 1645 01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:43.359 in forms that we can readily use, like light or 1646 01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:47.520 heat or mechanical power or electrical power. You know. So 1647 01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:51.199 that's one that's one realm of technology. There are others 1648 01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:55.399 that are plasma based that show quite a bit of promise. 1649 01:54:56.079 --> 01:54:59.560 I had worked with you know, one researcher for a 1650 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:02.920 few years on that and there's very exciting to see 1651 01:55:03.239 --> 01:55:07.800 some of that technology. So there'll be plasma based technologies. 1652 01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:16.039 There's some others that are based on on principles of magnetism, uh, 1653 01:55:16.399 --> 01:55:20.600 you know, magnetic motors. People might hear about that at times. 1654 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:26.680 And also there's some solid state you know, magnetic devices 1655 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:30.239 solid state, meaning there's no moving parts, but they're they're 1656 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:34.199 using they might be using a type of switching of 1657 01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:40.680 current UH with a microprocessor in ways that that allows 1658 01:55:41.119 --> 01:55:46.640 UH electric electricity to be extracted from it. And you know, 1659 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:50.640 there's and there's some other mechanical power type of devices 1660 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:58.039 that are using novel applications of compressed air or or 1661 01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:02.680 or you know, compressed water that I have found that

1662 01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:10.279 there's principles of geometry and acceleration of fluid that can 1663 01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:14.159 result in an overunity effect as well. And like some 1664 01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:18.399 of those technologies trace their roots back to a well 1665 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:24.399 known Austrian researcher named Victor Schauberger, So some of those 1666 01:56:24.520 --> 01:56:27.319 are going to be coming out too, perhaps even sooner 1667 01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:31.199 than the cold fusion technologies. So anyway, that's kind of 1668 01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:35.159 a handful, small handful of some of these, So there's 1669 01:56:35.159 --> 01:56:40.159 stuff going on. There definitely are quite a few different 1670 01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:44.439 overunity technologies on this planet right now that are in 1671 01:56:44.520 --> 01:56:50.239 processes of development and eventual commercialization of that. I can 1672 01:56:50.319 --> 01:56:54.279 say for a fact because I have seen experienced several 1673 01:56:54.279 --> 01:56:57.560 of those, so you know they're there. But of course 1674 01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:01.119 for every one of those, there's probably one hundred frauds 1675 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:04.159 or hoaxes out there right be discerning. 1676 01:57:05.359 --> 01:57:07.399 Well, very good, Well, thank you so much. Don't for 1677 01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:10.560 coming by tonight before you head out, let everyone know 1678 01:57:10.680 --> 01:57:12.079 where they can find you work. 1679 01:57:13.199 --> 01:57:16.399 Well. I think that the what I would best recommend 1680 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:19.600 right now is if you're interested in the new energy 1681 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:22.760 field and those comments I made about that, go to 1682 01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:27.520 New Energymovement dot org. New Energymovement dot org and you 1683 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:31.720 can see you know, things on that website and what 1684 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:34.840 the mission is. There's also a lot of you know 1685 01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:39.520 videos and things, some conference presentations. You can also google 1686 01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:43.520 my name Joel Garbin and you can find some things there. 1687 01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:46.359 But I also for the folks who are interested in 1688 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:49.800 the discussion about the urante material and what the value 1689 01:57:49.840 --> 01:57:52.479 of that is for I think all areas of human 1690 01:57:52.520 --> 01:57:57.560 study to increase understanding. You can go to a number 1691 01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:00.640 of different websites. The one I like the most it's 1692 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:06.920 just simply called truthbook dot com. Truthbook dot com, and 1693 01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:10.920 you can you can listen online to the book being read. 1694 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:16.680 You can find all different kinds of historical research about 1695 01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:20.399 the book and all different topics that it addresses. Uh, 1696 01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:23.079 there's there's a lot of really cool videos in there, 1697 01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:28.640 including videos about the cosmology that the book describes. Some 1698 01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:32.600 of them are really very professional and beautifully done. So 1699 01:58:32.640 --> 01:58:35.359 that's a great place to start truth truthbook dot com. 1700 01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:39.399 Or you can just go type in your ranch you 1701 01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:43.199 are a n T I A. You'll find all kinds 1702 01:58:43.239 --> 01:58:46.279 of things there. One thing I would caution you against, though, 1703 01:58:46.359 --> 01:58:52.359 because the material is very controversial, especially in the world 1704 01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:56.920 of conventional mainstream religion. You will find a lot of 1705 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:02.359 naysayers of the Ranch material here. But what I have 1706 01:59:02.439 --> 01:59:07.680 found consistently is that those who are criticizing it, especially 1707 01:59:07.720 --> 01:59:11.279 the ones who criticize it most vehemently, have not read it. 1708 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:15.199 It's just like getting a someone being a critic of 1709 01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:19.520 a movie who's never seen the movie. It's absurd, Okay, 1710 01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:22.960 So bear that in mind and do your own research 1711 01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:25.119 and come to your own conclusions. 1712 01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:27.720 Very good. Well, thank you so much again, Joel. 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