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So my story is when I was the Dallas Papers,
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I found that deal and how I got to Miami.
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They had sold the team the Dallas Mavericks did from
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Don Carter. He kept a small percentage to Roskarine Junior
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right and Roster Junior, and he bought other minorities on
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minority agents. Minority you know, they own piece of the
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club or whatever more pieces of the club. I became
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good friends with the gentleman by the name of Frank Zachinelli,
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which was one of the minority owners that came in
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with Rossparone Jr.
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We sat there and chatted.
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I had just I was one of the first guys
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that had micro fraction knee surgeon.
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Yeah.
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Frank Zachinelli was like, hey, Jamal, you know, you know,
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you know, what are you thinking. I came back from
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that injury and I said, hey, man, I think I
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want to get out of here, and he kind of,
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you know, was like, do you want to stay?
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And then I was like, nah, I don't want to
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stay here.
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My reasons and he couldn't a DoPT the reasons that
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I was saying.
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I said, I just think we all need to move
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on and get a fresh start.
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You got a new oldership group. You know, it's time
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to move on. And he said to me, where do
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you want to be? And I said, well, I got
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two clubs in mine Indiana Pacers and Larry Brown and
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the Miami Heat of Pat Rowley. And he said, why
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do you want to play for them? I said, well,
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because of your guys. It's this organization. I want to
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go to a professional organization and really understood the professional sports.
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And I think Larry Brown at the Helm in Indiana
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and Pat Rowley will offer that to me. He comes
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back to me a couple of weeks later, he says,
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we got Miami bill done and me and them arted
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ways and we're still good friends to this day. And
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that's how I got to Miami. So getting
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to Miami,
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I had to sign a seven year deal, and so
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I was coming up on I think it was year six,
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and I played in the playoffs against the Detroit Pistons
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and I.
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Hit a game, win a shot, and it's it's all miss.
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You might know if there's the game, win the shots
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against the Pitistons.
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And it was Grant Hill and all those guys, and
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we get in the second round and everybody was happy and.
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Excited and all these different things.
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And I walked right into Pat Roley's office right after
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the game.
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And it was like, what's up with the extension? He
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was started him and on you know, you know, oh,
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because I caught.
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Him off guard right And that's when I knew my
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final days in Miami was we're over. And because that
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group that we had with myself, Tim Bard, away Alonzo,
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we had spent three or four years together and could.
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Quite get over the hump because of Michael Jordan. Also,
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the New York Knicks so coming.
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To an end, and he wound up trading me to
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the New Orleans, not New ll Horns, Charlotte Horns, and
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Pat sent me a nice little note and said, hey, listen,
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I know I'm going to regret this. And we played
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them man next year in the playoffs Charlotte Hornets against
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the Miami Heat and we wound him sweeping them in
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the playout. And then the before we slept through the playoffs,
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I had walked into Bob Bass, the president of the
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Charlotte Hornis office, after the training camp, my first training
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camp with them, I think it was two weeks in
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the training camp, and I walked in his office.
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He said, Jamal, what can I do for you?
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I said, Bob Man, And this is my exact language.
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And you know I don't change language or anything for anybody.
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I said, Bob, you like me. He's like, yeah, lucky you.
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Yeah, I said I like you. I said okay, I
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said man, maximum years, maximum money. I called Rick up
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and Bob Bass told me done deal.
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Let's get it done. Wow.
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Twenty four hours later, max money, max max years, and
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there it was. So that's how negotiate the second one.
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Now, this is a man. Listen, Like I know people
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are listening to this thinking like wow, my head is spinning.
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This is insane. But like he spun me around from
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the day I met him. I don't know if you
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guys know, but I was introduced to him on a
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blind date date by another U of M alumni, Alex
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Fraser and Alex and I met him during I met
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him during an orangeball game at Dolphin Stadium. So thank
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god I was a Dolphin cheerleader and I got the
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intro to Jamal Mashburn that what blew my mind was
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on her first date, this man was sitting across the
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table from me listing out his core values. Like just
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listing out who he was and what he was about,
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and how he's known exactly who he was since he
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was ten. And I don't remember anything from when I
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was ten, so I never really believed him until I've
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started living with him and seeing everything he told me
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on that one date come to fruition. And what always
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blows my mind is how does a boy whose father
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left him at the age of ten to be the
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man of the house, who ends up being a latchkey
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kid raised by his mom in the projects in Harlem,
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no like know just how to even establish a set
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of core values for himself. You have always seemed so
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mentally strong to me, And it's just like mind blowing,
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because you know, I've dated people before you, and no
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one's ever come to me with a set of core values.
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And I didn't even coin it like that about myself
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when I met you.
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Yeah, I think, well, first of all, you dated the
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wrong people. You're right, you're correct, you're right. Remember that one.
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You're always right, happy house, happy spouse, your.
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Boss is why they did the wrong people. I write
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that one down.
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Every spouse says that about their spouse.
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To me.
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I've always started with mind, body soul at the end
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of the day, you know, and I'm a true believer
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in that if you're going to work your body out,
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you got to work your mind out and also have
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a coach for that as well.
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So I had two therapists in.
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My phone and my in my phone that I can
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call it any particular time.
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And why that became important for.
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Me was something in my spirit always told me that,
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you know, life is about a series of transitions. How
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do you manage those transitions? How do you manage the journey?
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And I've always thought, as myself is okay, well, if
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I'm a professional athlete and I'm transitioning into the business world,
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there's certain things in my core values that I have
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to stick true and honest to. And one of some
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of my progracks an honesty, transparency, perseverance, courage, just to
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name a few. And anything that differs or people who
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kind of chime with that, that means we're not in
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the same space and we got a party to it.
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Doesn't mean I'm right, doesn't mean they're right, doesn't mean
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they're wrong, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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It's just that that's how I choose to live my life.
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And when you're a part of training a series of transitions,
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going or from Harlan to Lexity, Kentucky college basketball, NBA,
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and then transitioning into the business world. I don't think
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that person can. That person has to be as a
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consistent foundation. But there's certain things that you have to
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leave behind, you know, being a professional athlete, it's one
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of those things where everything's catered towards you. You don't
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have to do much and different things like that. Everything
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structured for you.
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Then when be it practice?
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But the one thing you figure out in the pros
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is practice is only at least the NBA Pentople organization
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you go to, it's only two or three hours a day, right, right?
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What are you doing for the rest of your day?
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Right?
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And that's how I started to look at it was, okay.
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Well what did you do in college?
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What can I take from college to trains for the pros?
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And one thing that I came up was I was
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always a student athlete, So okay, why do I become
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a business professional athlete? And so the days that I
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wasn't participating in basketball on a practice court, me and
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Rick with drilling on cash flow, cash flow statements, ballad sheets,
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looking at different opportunities, really chatting about it, and really
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spending a lot of timeline it. So it empowered and
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it also impacted and also filled time in.
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That day where I didn't have to do anything else.
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I'm not a shop or I didn't go to the mall.
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I didn't do all of the different things, So my
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time was always spent. As I grew up going into
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class and playing sports, all I did was take my
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own class my businesses and apply it.
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And connected to the professional sports.
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So when that time for me to transition, I was
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already pretty savvy and educated, so I was able to transition,
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but I had to leave away certain things in professional sports,
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which were the things we compensated in the loftowy about
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You know, you can't take that into your corporate America
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or your business structure because you have an HR issue.
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How do you trust your body looks like your manner, raisms,
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that content of language or vocabulary, what you lean on
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as a crutch. It just can't be how many points
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you scored. You got to tell me when, why, and
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why it's important. So all these different things allow me
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to transition but also discard certain things and really evaluate
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myself and my mentally healthy to partake on this. Am
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I spiritually right and I'm physically right? And I educated
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on this matter?
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You know.
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So I've always took in the jury as a person
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that I'm a lifelong learner. I take things very seriously
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as far as transitions to concern, as far as what
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I need knowledge base, who do I need around me?
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And they have to obviously fit within.
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Those core values or we just won't match. Wow, that
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was a.
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Tough blind date for me to pass. That sounds like
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you did pretty well.
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One thing I want to one thing I want to
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say is