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Being biracial is so exhausting.
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Mama's tired.
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I'm Gabby, and you're listening to While I've Got You.
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Let's start the show.
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For me, and I'm assuming for most people that are biracial or mixed race, it is difficult navigating the world being seen as other.
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When I was younger in elementary school and we would take our like statewide exams, the CRCT, if you're from Georgia, I don't know what it's called nationwide.
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But taking the CRCT when I was younger and having to fill out our identities, our races, I believe.
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And they would have black or African American, and they would have white or Caucasian, and then there would be other.
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And I always filled out other.
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As a child, I spent my life checking a box, filling in a bubble that marked me as other.
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And that didn't stop as a child.
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That didn't stop as more government documents and surveys started saying, check this box for two or more races.
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It continues and persists in the way that I navigate through the world to this day.
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I could give you a plethora of different stories of what it's been like to experience racism as a biracial woman.
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I can tell you what it's been like to not feel totally accepted or like I belong to groups of white people, how I haven't found belonging or significant closeness in white communities, and how I've been pushed aside or isolated in black communities.
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When I was younger, I grew up in a predominantly black area.
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In the times when our friends, our school, everything around us is so formative.
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I remember feeling like I needed to do certain things and behave a certain way to prove my blackness.
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Not only to my black family, but also to the black people that I interacted with on a daily basis in the classroom, on the bus, in the neighborhood, etc.
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And I vaguely remember having this conversation with my dad when I was maybe 10, 11, 12, somewhere in that range.
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And whether he actually believed this or was wanting me to focus on seeing myself as a full person and not letting the world teach me things about my quote white half versus my quote unquote black half.
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But when I was trying to explain that I felt this need to prove my blackness, my dad said, Well, you're biracial.
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You're black and white, and that's a cool thing.
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He told me that he'd always thought that it was
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going to be mixed race kids, biracial kids that would bridge the gap between, for my case, white communities and black communities.
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And whether or not he actually believes that, whether or not he even remembers that conversation, that's always stuck with me, especially as I've grown up and tried to navigate what my personal blackness looks like.
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And also trying to deal with and cope with the possibility of being rejected by the groups that I share common experiences with.
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Another great example of how this has shown up in the complexities of my experience is I remember being in college and trying to be mindful of where I placed my blackness.
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Sometimes it feels iffy or wishy-washy to identify as a black woman when I have a white mother to someone that's black and has two black parents.
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It's sometimes a gamble on how it's going to be received.
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And so I was explaining that to a friend, and she asked me which of my parents was the black parent.
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And I said, Oh, my dad, my dad's the black parent.
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And she said, Oh, well, because your dad is black, that means you're black too.
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Almost as if the biracials or multiracial individuals could not claim their blackness if it was from their mother.
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But almost like I was a little bit closer, a little bit more into the inner circle of blackness and black culture.
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I was more accepted because my dad was the black one.
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Before I get too deep into this episode, I'm operating from my experience.
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I'm telling this story, I'm giving you these examples of my life and of my experience to show how exhausting and taxing it can be to navigate the in-betweens of being biracial.
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And I want to be honest and truthful that I am hesitating and am not exactly sure that this is the best episode for me to record and put out because it's so difficult and because I don't want this episode to come off as poor little light-skinned girl.
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Her life is so difficult.
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And I also want to be able to feel like I can share the truth of my experience without it coming across that way or being translated or turned into an episode that sounds like I'm just being like, whoa is me, you know, like my steak too juicy, my lobster too buttery.
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That's not the intention of this episode, but I wanted to name that off the rip.
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I absolutely understand and recognize the privilege that I have, the privileges that I have, because of my proximity to whiteness.
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And I also wish that there were more conversations
and that we were holding more space for the difficult parts of being biracial in which I have to prove myself constantly and consistently.
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In a lot of ways, I think that loving v Virginia, that Supreme Court case that legalized interracial marriage, might have legalized interracial marriage, but it didn't decriminalize those relationships or the products of those relationships in any social environment.
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I very often still find myself being painted as not good enough or othered or separated from white spaces at the same rate and the vigorousness that I am firmly placed on the outskirts of black spaces.
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For example, the idea of being followed around a store and being painted as some sort of thief that needs to be watched down the aisles is not an experience that I can necessarily share with my white friends or the white community and be seen and accepted.
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Not in a way that comes from a true place of understanding what it feels like to be labeled as something based solely on how you look.
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I've talked about on this podcast about my experience being a little black girl and the hypersexualization that happens to black bodies, and not just the hypersexualization, but the way black bodies are forced to grow up.
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Almost in a sense, the like parentification of black bodies.
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And I've experienced racism.
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People have said crazy things to me.
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And so all of those experiences are some of the ones that I feel like are part of the reason why I identify so strongly with my blackness.
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They are, of course, not all of the reasons.
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Like I also know how to play spades and I also got a lot of rhythm.
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Like, I don't want the essence of blackness and the essence of black culture or the commonality that I find with black culture to be rooted in struggle or to be rooted in sadness.
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That's not it at all.
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My joy, I think I have black joy.
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Like my joy when I experience it is a black thing.
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And it is hard to have all of those data points that internally and to me confirm that I am and I believe and I feel like a black woman.
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And then to get on Beyoncé's internet and see that there is still a othering and a pushing apart of people that look like me.
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I am so often set apart from the duality and the diversity of the black experience.
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Like 60 years of the legalization of interracial marriage and interracial couples has not been enough to change and rewrite societal norms.
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And of course, that's to
an extent.
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Like there's biracial couples everywhere.
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So I don't want to pretend like we haven't progressed as an American society.
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And I think that there is still some hesitation around the mixed race, biracial babies that I think is hard for us to navigate.
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I can acknowledge that there are areas that I have great privilege.
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Even with all of those examples, even with all of the things that come together and make me feel like a black woman inside and outside.
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I also have heard and have been mindful and opened my mind and my understanding to the experiences of black women with two black parents who have expressed that their opportunities for belonging, their opportunities for safety and community are threatened by white women and are threatened by biracial, mixed race, other races of women and of people as well.
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I can imagine that it is hard to bring in people with such proximity to whiteness as you yourself are trying to navigate systems that are designed for white people.
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Like I absolutely understand that we have been raised in a society that tells us there is not enough for everyone, that we have been conditioned to believe that some things are just designed for other people.
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And because the systems benefit white people and white men in a dominant culture, and there's already an expectation of having to work two times as hard to get half as far, why would you bring someone with that proximity to whiteness, with that proximity to the dominant culture into your circle in full?
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I absolutely understand that.
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And because there is no system that was designed or developed for black people or people of color, there are none that prioritize bodies of color.
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I live in a world where it is a 50 50 shot on whether or not I experience privilege.
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And I can't even say it's 50 sifty because I am brown.
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Like there is no denying that I am that there is melanin in my blood.
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The DNA is not lying.
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That is my father.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like it's probably more like a 75-25 split.
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25% of the time, society and my proximity and my poor proximity to whiteness, like the little nitpicky things that have been attributed to whiteness falsely and poorly, are the tiny little areas that I might experience privilege.
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But the majority of them, I'm suffering from the systems too.
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I get put down by the systems as well.
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So when I
try to find connection in that, when I have in the past tried to say, yeah, sometimes it's hard to want to go out and meet guys with my friend who is white because she is a thin, tall white woman.
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And to some degree, she is overarching like a societal standard of beauty.
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And so when it comes down to the two of us, if we are out meeting people, if it comes down to if someone's gonna approach me or her, the probability is that they're gonna approach her.
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So then when I go to my black female friends that I feel like will understand where I'm coming from, their rebuttal is to also push me aside and other me and say, yeah, but if you and I went out, they would approach you.
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And I'm like, yeah, and that that sucks.
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We both have experienced this othering.
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We why can't we be together in the othering instead of now there is a divide and a space between you and I as well.
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I think even in the complexities of this conversation, I have to also name that even though I am biracial, my mind has been conditioned to blackness and towards blackness.
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Like the number of times I still see a black man dating a white woman, and I'm like, and this is a crazy thing to say out loud, I think to myself, there goes a white woman taking another good black man, which is crazy because one, I don't know if that's a good black man.
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I don't know if that's a a good white woman.
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I don't even know, like, I don't know anything about these people.
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But it is also something that black women used to say to my mom.
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Hearing that expression, another white woman taking a good black man, is something that my mom told me people used to say to her that hurt her.
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And yet I still have to catch myself and be like, whoa, Nelly, calm down when I have that thought as well.
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And it's not just the white woman who I don't know that could be a literal representation, a symbol of my mom that's catching strays.
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I'm also judging the black man as well, to be like, dang, you want to be, you want your proximity to whiteness to be like that.
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Like, there's so much complexity in that conversation.
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I've never looked at my parents and been like, yikes.
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Kind of embarrassing that you guys chose each other and didn't stick to your own race.
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Like that's a that's not a real thing that I feel.
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And almost like in my desire and my unconscious desire to belong to blackness, to feel fully accepted in blackness, I have the most extreme thoughts about blackness.
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There's even the difficult experience of being on social media, being on TikTok or whatever, and hearing someone talk about something, talking about the black experience in a certain way.
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And you're like, gosh, yeah, I feel like that.
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That's such I identify with what you're saying.
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That's an experience that I have as a black woman.
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And then right at the end, you realize, oh no, I'm actively being set aside or othered in this conversation.
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I'm very intentionally, as a biracial woman, being cast aside, being named as unable to relate.
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I'm like, well, dang, I already said, can I get an amen to you preaching on this app?
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And now I'm not allowed to say, can I get an amen?
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How troubling, how troublesome it is to hear Malcolm X's quote, the most disrespected person in America is the black woman, and be unsure if I can sit in agreement with that, if I can hold that unto myself as yes, I agree and I identify with that.
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Because I have spent so much of my life being told that I can't possibly understand what it is to be black because I have a white mom.
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And on the flip side, like I mentioned, this is not intended to be a woe is me episode.
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I absolutely feel like because I have only ever existed in this body, I don't know what it's like to grow up with two black parents.
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I don't know how that changes my experiences as a biracial woman.
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I don't know if my otherness in this world, if my otherness in American society and culture is comparable to a black woman's experience.
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I don't know if it's comparable to my older sister or my younger brother's experience as to biracial people that are a lighter complexion than me.
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I don't know if the othering or the otherness is as much of a spectrum as we have been led to believe.
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There are so many contradictions and complexities in this conversation.
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And I want to do this episode justice and hold it with a lot of care that I have been sitting on it for months, maybe honestly, probably closer to a year.
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My first iteration of the podcast, I was like, I bet I don't get canceled before I even get discovered.
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I don't want to talk about that yet because it's so complex.
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And I want to express that I get it.
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I get why I would be kept at arm's length in black culture and in black communities.
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And I think that there are so many
experiences and so many instances when I notice that there is no good way to be biracial.
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There's no appropriate way.
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There's always criticism.
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It's never done right, it's never done well.
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Nobody is doing biraciality correctly.
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And I'm trying to, in my old age, I'm trying to, as an adult, learn and accept that I may never live up to the ever-changing criteria and the ever-changing acceptability of whiteness or blackness.
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I think a good example of this is a couple of years ago, Zindea spoke at the Black Woman in Hollywood conference or like gala, whatever it is, dinner, award show, whatever it is.
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She spoke at that.
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And the way that she was speaking about black women was beautiful and was well said and empowering.
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But the way that she spoke about it, the choice of language had the comments divided.
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She said something along the lines of black women are so special and valuable, and their joy brings me joy and their accomplishments, something like their accomplishments make me so proud they feel like my own.
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Now, if this was a black woman who did not have parents of different race, did not come from a two-race household.
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I don't know if the comments would have been the same way.
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She used all the adverbs correctly, she conjugated her nouns correctly, like the English was correct.
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She would refer to the symbol, the population of black women as them or they, but people in the comments were saying, why is she talking about black women like she isn't one?
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Why is she othering herself from black women?
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Why is she distancing herself?
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And then other comments were like, she recognizes and identifies as a biracial woman.
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And so she does not want to take on all of the powerful and beautiful and positive and joyous and so many other good adjectives.
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She didn't want to take on those labels as a biracial woman when they belong to black women.
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So even the comments of one clip of Zendaya talking about in correct language, black women and their accomplishments and their joy and their power, there was a divide.
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My blackness is never going to be correct.
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And I'm trying to sit with the fact that as long as whiteness remains the dominant culture, and as long as systems prevail that were designed and tailored for whiteness, I'm never going to fit into whiteness either.
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I will never win.
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And even in this conversation, even sitting in and trying to find or come to peace with the fact that I will never fit as a biracial woman and as someone who in my day-to-day life identifies as a black woman, I think to myself, and why should I fit?
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Again, I understand why the othering happens.
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I absolutely get it.
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And being on the receiving side of that othering is hard.
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This is for the people that live in the big, gray, messy, both and area.
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I think this is for anyone that is hoping to get to a place where their experience does not have to be weighed or measured or compared to or competed against someone else's experience of oppression and oppressive systems.
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How do we get to a place where I'm seen in the full range of my trauma and hardship as a biracial woman without it needing to be a comparison or a competition with someone else's blackness?
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Like it can just be hard for me to be dating and to be perceived as a biracial or black woman without it having to be harder for you.
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We can just both be having a hard time.
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And then when it comes to white people, because I feel the need to represent both, because y'all won't let me be who I want to be.
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When it comes to white people, I can't think of how the gap is bridged.
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Between white people and biracial people.
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I'm curious if you guys have thoughts or opinions on that.
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I don't know how, as a demographic as a whole, without the disruption of these systems, that I can be fully seen as equal in white spaces.
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And this is speaking very plainly about white people in white spaces as a monolith.
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It's very intentionally speaking like that.
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And black people in black spaces as a monolith as well.
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I mentioned the diversity and the range of experiences, the ups and downs that I'm sure both races experience that I know black people in black culture encapsulates, but I want to make sure that you're not listening to this episode and being like, dang, Gabby thinks all white people are racist.
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That's not what I'm trying to get at either.
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But as someone who has always been othered from whiteness because very specifically racism and the color of my skin, whether consciously or subconsciously, I don't know how that gap is bridged between being biracial and finding belonging with white people in the same way that it is generally a little bit easier to find belonging with black people without the systems that have consciously or
subconsciously labeled me as less than or other being dismantled or disrupted.
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In my mind, I'm like, why won't black people accept me?
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Why won't black people take me into their loving arms so we can join forces against the white people monolith system I was just talking about, because I understand what it's like and because you understand what it's like, but I don't know how this works or how that piece works and the bridging of the gap when it comes specifically to white women, especially because my experience and my perception or interpretation of white people, the character, white people, the system, or excuse me, white women, the system, is that though they might experience oppressive systems based off of their womanhood, their proximity to whiteness prevails.
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And their whiteness puts them to a place of privilege in more systems.
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Like their split is probably 75-25 on whether or not they are going to experience privilege.
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And 75% of the time, it is a yes.
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Like absolutely there is misogyny and there is a gender wage gap.
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I will give as an example.
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Like obviously those things still exist, but there feels like there are less systems of oppression for gender than there are for race.
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If that makes sense.
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Hopefully that makes sense.
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I don't know what I'm asking anybody listening to this episode to notice.
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I don't know what I'm asking people who are biracial and can truly sit in and identify with the experience I'm speaking of.
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I don't know, yeah, I don't know what I'm asking.
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I don't know what I'm encouraging you to notice beyond this experience.
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I think regardless of if it sometimes feels like a thankless job, the inside of me, the black woman side of me on the inside is thinking, why do black women need to thank biracial anybody?
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That's crazy.
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Why would they need to do that?
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Why would I need to do that?
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But even if it is a thankless job and you don't reap the friendship or the community or the togetherness of celebrating black people, I still think it's important to do it and still important to name and express love and care for those communities, for that community, for my community, even if you are still pushed to the outskirts of like, oh yeah, that's nice, biracial girl.
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In my mind almost said white girl, but like, uh, the duality.
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My innards are fighting.
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They're fighting, they're arguing.
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I'm so confused.
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I think an example of this is when I first moved to LA, I met a girl.
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I can't remember where I met her, but she was a black woman.
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And she invited me to an event that she was throwing that was going to be a vision board making party.
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I she said, you know, invite your friends, invite whoever, whatever.
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And I invited my clear friend.
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I invited my white friend.
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And when we got there, there was only black women, not a single clear friend in sight.
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It was all black women.
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And when we walked in, my friend went, Oh my God, I should not be here.
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And I, my immediate thought was, shit, me either.
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She was like, if I knew that this was going to be a space for black women, I would not have agreed to come because I don't want to be in spaces where I am taking away the safety that black people deserve to have in their own community.
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And I was like, yeah, one, I wouldn't invite, I wouldn't have invited you if I knew, because obviously I agree with that.
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And also, shit, I don't know.
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Can I be here?
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Am I allowed to be here too?
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And I think that's such an example of how I have experienced life being othered from so many spaces and being othered from black spaces, from black experiences, my blackness so constantly and consistently being questioned that I have to ask myself, am I intruding on black spaces as well?
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And it's a question I want to ask myself because as much as it would be devastating and gut-wrenching to find out, it would be the ultimate, like the most painful othering I have ever experienced to find out that though I identify as a black woman, my proximity to whiteness, my proximity to having a white mom threatens the safety of black spaces.
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Even the thought of that is ripping my heart into pieces.
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I would be devastated.
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And I care enough to ask that question.
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Even in my fear of what the answer could be, I care enough to not only ask that question, but to also know that I would remove myself from those spaces if that was the truth of the matter.
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I would remove myself from those spaces.
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To white people listening to this episode, I don't know what you're gonna get from this.
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Shout out to you, Queen.
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Thank you for the download.
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Thank you for
the listen.
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Share with your black and biracial friends, keep them close, love them, hold them tight at night, and show up and continue to fight the systems that you benefit from that cause a divide between us based solely on the color of our skin, black people.
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Like, can we just be friends?
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Let's storm the Capitol on February 6th instead of January 6th.
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Let's say it's for Black History Month.
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And I'm telling you, if you just let our little biracial bodies in the group, we want to be friends so bad.
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We want to be accepted so bad.
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I speak for myself, but just let me be your friend.
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My biracial guilt that you have seen showing up in raging this war inside of me this entire episode, I would be a such a good front lineman.
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Like, I you want me to put my biracial body in front of your black body and and and take the take the beating for you?
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I would.
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Because that's how bad I want you to love me and accept me.
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And that says so much about my experience being biracial.
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That says so much about my experience being othered.
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All we want, all anybody on this planet wants is to feel a sense of belonging, to find where they belong.
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And the fact that I'm like, if we storm the Capitol, black people, I'm talking to you, PSA, if we storm the Capitol, I would take a bullet for you is saying something.
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I don't know what, but it is saying something.
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There are contradictions all up and through this episode.
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I believe preferences can just be preferences, but I absolutely get irritated when I see a black man, my type, dating a white woman.
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Contradiction.
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I want my experience and the experience of black women and black people to not be a competition or a comparison.
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And I still wonder if Malcolm X's favorite quote about black women being the most disrespected people in America even applies to me.
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Contradiction.
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I won't sit here and pretend that my experience with my proximity to whiteness is the same as the experience of black women.
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And I'm asking that my experience be accepted and seen in its full range.
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I told my white friend I would not have invited her to that vision board making party in the same moment that I was questioning whether I should be there either.
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My dad's version and hope for my experience
was that I would be a bridge.
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And my hope for my experience is that I wouldn't need to be a bridge.
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I would just get to be singularly me.
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And that my belonging and my experience was enough for me to fit wherever I wanted to, wherever I feel most called and related to.
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Wherever I felt like I had the most commonality is where I could just exist.
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And my heritage wasn't constantly questioned, wasn't constantly drawn out or emphasized.
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I just was.
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What I hope black listeners walk away from this episode thinking is not, oh, poor little rich kid.
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I hope that there is maybe a little more understanding given to the experience of being biracial, not in comparison, not in competition to anything, just understanding and maybe the same level of understanding that the biracial people in their lives give to their black experience.
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If you have biracial people in your life that do not understand or do not understand how little they understand about your black experience and don't care to, I mean, maybe give them that energy back.
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I don't know.
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But I hope that people listening to this episode can meet the mixed race or biracial people in their life with the understanding and compassion that we're all trying to figure this shit out.
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Maybe not the empathy, maybe not the sympathy, but like, oh, when you talk about your experience as a biracial person, it is not in threat or in comparison or in competition with my experience as a black person.
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It just is and it just exists.
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And your experience through life doesn't have to be labeled as black or white.
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It can just be.
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Thank you so much for listening to this episode.
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If you are watching on YouTube, please feel free to like and subscribe.
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And if you are listening to any other platforms, send this to everybody you know.
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Send it to the biracial people that you're like, dang, is this really what it's like?
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Maybe you don't understand, and maybe you want a biracial person in your life to feel seen.
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Send them this episode.
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Maybe you're white, send it to your white friends.
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Do something for a black person for once in your life.
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All right, we're getting a little carried away at the end here.
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If you're a black person, listen.
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Chew on it.
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See what you think, see if it fits.
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If it doesn't, I don't know.
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I feel crazy telling you or asking you to do anything.
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Even as a black woman myself, we talked about that the entire episode.
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Thank you so much for listening, and I will catch you next week for another episode.
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Bye.