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Hi everyone and welcome back to The Piano Pod.
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It's been a minute. We took a summer break after
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wrapping Season 6 in mid -June and I'm really
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happy to be back and especially excited to officially
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begin Season 7. If you want a full rundown of
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what's changing this season, please check out
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our Season 7 introduction episode from last week.
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But one thing that continues every year is our
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season theme. And this year... It's culture and
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courage. I am interested in the forces that shape
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artists, where they come from, the cultures and
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experiences they carry with them, the choices
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they make, and the courage it sometimes takes
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to create a path of their own. And I really can't
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think of a better guest to open this new chapter
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than pianist Ina Falix. I first learned about
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Ina when Parma Recordings reached out to me earlier
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this year about her newest album, Stranger Things,
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Piano Works from a Young Refugee's Backpack.
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The title immediately caught my attention. Ina
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was born in Odessa, Ukraine, then part of the
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Soviet Union, and came to the United States as
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a young refugee. On this album, she returns to
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music she actually composed as a child. music
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that traveled with her when she left Odessa and
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places those pieces alongside Wagner, Schoenberg,
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and Brahms. But the more I learned about Ina,
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the more I realized there was a much bigger conversation
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here. She is an internationally performing pianist
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and recording artist, but she is also a writer,
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professor, champion of contemporary music, and
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someone who seems endlessly curious about what
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a pianist can do. So we cover quite a bit in
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this conversation, childhood and migration, memory
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and loss, contemporary music, literature, teaching,
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artistic curiosity, and what it means to listen
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to your own voice and create a path that feels
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like your own. And to me, that makes Ina such
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a fitting guest to begin this season of culture
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and courage. Before we get started, if you would
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excited to share this one with you. Please enjoy
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my conversation with Yamaha artist Ina Falex.
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You are listening to The Piano Pod, where we
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talk to the brightest minds in the industry about
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how they are bringing the piano into the future
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and thriving in a complex, ever -evolving world.
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Nina, welcome to The Pianophon. I'm so delighted
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to have you here and especially happy to be opening
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season seven with you as our inaugural guest.
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Where are you joining us from today? Los Angeles,
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very hot, very hot week in L .A. Oh, really?
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How hot is it? Maybe 90. I don't know. It's all
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right. It's not too bad. I just spent two and
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a half months in Europe where it was hotter.
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But it's a pleasure to be here. Wonderful to
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have you. So I first learned about your newest
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album a few months ago when I received an email
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from Parma Recordings asking whether I might
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be interested in having you on the show. And
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at the time, I think the label was preparing
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for the release of Stranger Things, piano works
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from a young refugee's backpack. That's the title
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of the... new album latest album by the way congratulations
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and it's a beautiful beautiful album and I've
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really enjoyed listening to it and I'm looking
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forward to discovering much more about the story
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behind it I also want to talk about you know
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the journey behind all of that
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from your childhood
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in Odessa and then part of part of Soviet Ukraine
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and into immigrating to the United States and
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ultimately building a beautiful life as an international
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performing, recording artist and author and professor
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at UCLA. So this is a lot for us to get into
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today. We may not be able to cover everything,
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but I'd love to begin with this question I often
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use to ground these conversations. If you had
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to describe your mission or passion as an artist
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today in just a few sentences, what would you
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say? Well, I think it's a... to share as honestly
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and sincerely the experience of existence, of
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the joy of music. I think that's it. I think
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that's our mission as musicians. I think there's
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nothing more important than an emotionally charged
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performance that is honest and that reflects
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your current state. I think performances often
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can be over curated. you know, over self -conscious,
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especially in today's digital age and age of
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piano competitions, all of these things, I think
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the most important thing is to be immediate,
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honest, spontaneous, and sincere. Ah, beautifully
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said. Thank you. You're right. Absolutely. So
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that makes music more exciting and thrilling.
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So let's... Talk about your latest album, Stranger
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Things, Piano Works from a Young Refugee's Backpack,
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came out just a few weeks ago, I believe. And
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one of the first things that caught my attention
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was this title. But first, simply please tell
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us about this album, the pieces, inspirations,
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and how the project came together. Sure. Well,
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so in a way, I think of all my albums as telling
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stories. So I think all of them have a line that
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through them that kind of connects the repertoire
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choices, whether new music or old or a little
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bit of both. And my previous album was called
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Manuscripts Don't Burn. It was on Sonaluminous.
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And it was a very personal album that told a
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story. So this one, Stranger Things, continues
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along that vein, but goes even deeper and more.
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personal because in a way it's coming out for
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me as a composer. I started out as a composer
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pianist when I was a kid and growing up in Odessa,
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Ukraine. I had written an opera that was performed
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when I was 10 years old. I had a lot of piano
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pieces and I kept composing. I took composition
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lessons in Odessa. And then when I came to Chicago
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as an immigrant, but then composition took a
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backseat, you know, so the backseat to the piano.
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And it happened in a way organically just because
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my piano studies were extremely demanding and
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I was performing a lot and competing and it just
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took over somehow. But also, you know, it feels
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to me as though back then in the 90s, late 90s,
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you know, when a kid is growing up as a composer,
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I do think it was harder for women to have the
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confidence to compose because that is not the
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message we were getting. You know, we weren't
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getting the message that our works would have
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a life or be programmed. Now we're getting that
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message more. And I care a lot about spreading
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that message. And it did that in my previous
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album where four of the five commissions were
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by female composers, friends of mine, also younger
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composers, older composers. But in this album
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specifically, Stranger Things, I dusted off two
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of my piano pieces that I had immigrated with.
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They were literally score. scores that were in
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my backpack. And they're very different, those
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two pieces, the Old Bell Tower and Wandering
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Stranger or Mysterious Wanderer. It's always
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a little tough to find the exact English translation,
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but Wandering Strangers seemed the closest. So
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those pieces are somehow, they come from different
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worlds almost sound -wise. Wandering Stranger
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uses voice. So somehow I thought I would just
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start singing in the middle of the piece. And
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I love Schoenberg. I never thought back then
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that I would be that obsessed with Schoenberg
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and really get into his world and then join,
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of course, UCLA where he taught for many years.
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I had never heard of Schoenberg when I was 10
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years old when I composed that piece. But then,
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of course, you know, he's got that string quartet
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number two where a soprano comes in and starts
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singing. This is the air of another planet. So
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I just think it's an interesting coincidence
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that this composer, who means so much to me,
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has this voice that comes out in a string quartet.
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And that somehow, as a kid, I decided I'm just
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going to use voice here. I'm not comparing myself
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to Schoenberg by any means, of course, but I
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just feel like there's an odd connection in that
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moment. So that's why I decided to include Schoenberg's
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Opus 11 on the album. And Schoenberg's Opus 11,
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the three wonderful pieces, really always meant
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a great deal to me. They are, I think, if I was
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to choose the most important piece of 20th century
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piano literature, not necessarily my favorite
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or not necessarily the most beautiful or beloved,
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but important, I think that would be it. Because
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in the third piece... That's his declaration
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and goodbye to harmonic language of the past.
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It's the emancipation of the dissonance. And
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that piece is still the absolute craziest thing
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you can possibly hear. It's completely unhinged.
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It's wild. But then the first piece sounds a
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little bit like Brahms. It still has kind of
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a motivic cell and interweaving melodies. The
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second piece of the Schoenberg is this lilting
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waltz, very dark. And that in a way connects
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to the old bell tower, my piece, which I think
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comes second on the album, if I'm not mistaken.
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And the old bell tower. So the wandering stranger
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is kind of mysterious, a little bit Schnittke
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or
Shostakovich, kind of impish. The bell tower
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is very coloristic, very dark and lugubrious.
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And it has this lilting feeling, kind of like
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the second. of the Drei Klavierstück of Schomburg.
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And so this lilting bell tower, I wrote it because
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every day on my way to music school, we would
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pass by this dilapidated building, and that was
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a church. And in the Soviet Union, you know,
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I'm Jewish, and I knew what that meant ethnically.
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That was my nationality. That was stamped on
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my parents' passports. That was the reason why
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we left Odessa in the Soviet Union, because of
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anti -Semitism. But the fact that there were
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churches in this town at some point and synagogues,
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nobody really knew about this because. Religion
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was not allowed. Religion was illegal in the
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Soviet Union. So this was this mystical, strange
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building that we would pass by. And of course,
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I was impacted by Mussorgsky's old castle and
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the Sun Cathedral of Debussy, maybe. But it has
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this coloristic darkness to it, the old bell
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tower. I think that a lot of that kind of writing
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and playing I've retained in my approach to the
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piano, just a very resonant approach where I
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search for color in every note. So I think that
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piece, who I am now, is evident in those two
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pieces. That's why I chose them. The Brahms Sonata
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in F minor, that's another piece that I've lived
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with for a long time. It's an incredible work
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that he wrote when he was very, very young, still
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a teenager. And it's, in a way, groundbreaking,
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symphonic, huge in scope, but totally different
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direction, of course, than Schoenberg. And that
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represents, in a way, the safer, the tonal direction.
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So while Wagner went one way, Brahms stayed in
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this realm, you know. So all these pieces of
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music represent different realms. But in those
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individual realms, the music... It was extremely
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fresh and new. The Wagner that I include, I mentioned
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Wagner. The elegy is just a couple notes. It's
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literally a couple chords, this little piece.
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And I put it before the Schoenberg as a goodbye
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to tonality. You know, it's an elegy to tonality
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in my mind. So this is Journey. You hear my pieces
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and you hear this strange little whisper of a
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piece by Wagner. The Schoenberg, which is so
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experimental still, and I approach it with a
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lot of passion, I think, in color. I don't think
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of it as music that's dry or academic in any
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way because it's not. It's wild and it reflects
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the subconscious. That's what he intended. And
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then after that, of course, the youthful, majestic,
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but also. incredibly passionate and tender music
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of Brahms. So I think it reflects a lot of different
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types of experiences and emotions, but all are
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very personal to me. And all are quite strange,
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hence the name. Yeah, no, it's not in a beautiful
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way, maybe strange, but yes. So why did you feel
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compelled to return to these childhood pieces
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now? You know, I've been writing quite a bit.
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Of course, I have a book out. My memoir, Weight
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in the Fingertips, A Musical Odyssey from Soviet
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Ukraine to the World Stage. And I just finished,
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I just completed a manuscript of my first novel,
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which is a murder mystery in the classical music
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world. Wow. Hopefully, we'll see the light of
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day one day. You know, it's not easy. So I was
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feeling very creative and very kind of, you know,
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gutsy. And I thought, you know. why don't I do
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this? Why don't I start composing again? And
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so I wanted to revisit some of these pieces.
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Also, my son, who plays violin and he's 15 years
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old, he started composing and writing things
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down. And seeing that was really inspiring to
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me. And I wanted to revisit my old compositions
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that I made as a kid. You know, you said you
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composed these pieces when you were 10, 11 years
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old? 10
years old. Right? Yeah. Oh, my goodness.
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They don't sound like a 10 -year -old would write,
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you know, so mature. And what was it like to
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reopening that backpack, you know, and encountering
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your younger self through the lens and ears of
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the artist you are today? You know, it was in
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a way very sad because, of course, it's very
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meaningful and very touching, but it's also very
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painful because the Odessa that I know, you know,
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the war with Ukraine. what's happening there
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now, the city that I left behind, it's all different
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and it's gone. My mother is gone. She died almost
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five years ago. My first book is dedicated to
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her. She was my first teacher. And she, I mean,
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I just remember so vividly how every note of
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these pieces, I mean, she sat with me, she watched
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over me, she helped me. So all of them are so
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tied to her, to the memory of my mom, Irene.
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And so all of that is quite raw. Because, you
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know, I lost her when she was only 67 years old.
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And so there's that grief, but also a beauty
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that I'm still connected to my past and I can
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keep it alive in a way, keep her memory alive
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through, you know, through this recording even.
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Well, you know, thank you for sharing your story
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with us. You know, your memories and your journey
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and your connection to your childhood and homeland
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seem to come through in every note of this album
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and feels like such a meaningful homage to where
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you came from. And especially at a time, as you
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mentioned, you know, when the crane continues
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to endure such a painful period of. of history.
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So for our listeners, Stranger Things Piano Works
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from a Young Refugee's Backpack is truly a must
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-listen album this year. It is available on all
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major streaming platforms as well as through
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Ina's website at inafalix .com. That is I -N
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-A -F -A -L -I -K -S dot com. Is there anything
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else you want to add about this album? Well,
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I think Parma has submitted, now that we are
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in Grammy period, Parma has submitted the album
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for Best Classical Compendium and my piece, The
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Wandering Stranger, for classical composition,
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for original composition, I should say. So if
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any of you are voting members, check it out.
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So I want to go back for a moment because Stranger
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Things is in the first album where, you know,
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you built a larger idea around the music. Your
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2024 album, you briefly mentioned Manuscript
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Don't Burn album, brings together very different
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sound worlds from Schubert. And Fanny Mendelssohn
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to contemporary composers, I can't even really
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imagine the combination. And in some pieces,
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you also weave spoken poetry into the performances.
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So take us into the sound world of manuscripts.
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Don't burn. What was the idea behind the album?
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And how did you decide to bring music and spoken
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word together? Thank you so much for that question
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and for the care you obviously took to hear it
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and to get into that world. I so appreciate it.
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Well, so that's it's a big passion of mine, words,
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as I've mentioned. And this album is kind of
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the music manuscripts don't burn. is kind of
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the embodiment of the idea of music and words.
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And it's something that I had wanted to do for
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a long time. When I was living in New York, I
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started a series called Music Words. And the
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series is now going to be in its second season
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in LA after a long hiatus. And the idea of the
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series was to bring together live performance
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and live poetry reading where poets read their
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own works. And so the format is just play, read,
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play, read, play, read, because I always found
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this to be incredibly inspiring. great poetry,
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interesting, fresh voices in poetry. And I always
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read poetry, but it was also very strange to
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me as an artist that, you know, well, not strange,
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almost expected that the
music world, especially
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the pianist's world in New York, where I was
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living at the time is very isolated. We're just
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in our practice room. And then sometimes we go
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to hear other people play concerts and then we
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think, oh, now we have to go practice harder.
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But I felt like people weren't going out of their
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comfort zone. They weren't going to other things
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like poetry readings. And then the same went
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for poets. They didn't go to hear music. And
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the place where I grew up, Odessa, and in general,
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that culture in Eastern Europe, these arts were
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really closely intertwined, interwoven, and people
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got inspiration from all sorts of things. So
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I wanted to bring those two things together.
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poetry and music and so i started the series
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it did very well in new york i met a lot of different
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poets and i had a lot of different musicians
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my friends musicians from different worlds jazz
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etc new music old music it was all there i also
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did this with a poetry foundation in chicago
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and produced a series of radio broadcasts of
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this on wfmt in chicago And I was really very
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proud of this. And now this is kind of more usual.
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Maybe you can see this in many different cities.
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But I think music words was one of the first
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iterations of such an idea. And so when I moved
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to L .A. to join the faculty at UCLA, and this
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was about 14 years ago, I stopped doing the series
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as a series, but I would do one off performances
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with poets when I would be asked by a presenter
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to come and maybe a poet would be. suggested
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and I would collaborate to build a program, but
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nothing like a series. And then last year I thought,
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okay, it's time to bring this back. And I started
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this in LA at the Venda Museum. But I've always
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wanted to make a recording that reflects this
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love and this connection to words. And so Manuscripts
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Don't Burn came from that idea. Sorry, it's such
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00:23:19.529
a long -winded way of getting there. Manuscripts
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Don't Burn is a quote from my favorite book,
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my favorite novel called The Master and Margarita
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by Mikhail Bulgakov. And this book was always
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so important to me and not just to me, but I
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think to many dissidents, to many immigrants
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from the same region as me. It's kind of a cult
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novel of 20th century Russia. So I asked a few
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composers to respond to that book. And that was
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a project. The commission came from the Venda
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Museum, where I now have the music word series.
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And but in addition to that, I thought, oh, there
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are other pieces I have written. I've had written
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for me that join words and music. One of them
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is Clarice Assad's beautiful, beautiful set called
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Godai. And another one is a piece by Lova, a
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New York composer, Lova Jorbin. And this is a
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piece that features Jewish music in three different
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guises, all of which come from historical recordings,
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but all of which feature words in Hebrew. Another
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one, another example. So the Master Margarita
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piece is by Veronica Krauses, and that's a suite
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of short... movements dance movements each of
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which corresponds to a quote from the master
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margarita and then the piece of the title manuscripts
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don't burn is a piece by maya miro johnson which
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is really probably the wildest and most experimental
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on that album and uh you get i get to do all
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sorts of things i get to speak russian i get
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to scratch the strings inside the piano and hum
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and very theatrical and mike garson who's actually
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a rock and roll legend he was the pianist for
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david bowie he wrote a piece for me called a
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psalm to odessa so that one doesn't have any
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words but it kind of you know it marks odessa
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connects everything to odessa and uh so all of
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this new music on the album i decided well i
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need something familiar because i always like
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to do that i like to include music
that people
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have heard, that they know, and that makes them
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comfortable, because that makes them much more
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open to hear new music. So I included sort of
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unusual Schubert -less transcriptions. Well,
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one of them is quite known, the Gretchen Amspina,
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Earl Koenig, of course, because that's great
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poetry. So I just wanted to feature that with
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great poetry. And then the one that is called
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Amir is very poignant. It's very slow. song and
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it's a the poem describes very strange encounter
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on the beach and you know Odessa is a beach city
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so it all in my mind it all made sense and then
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together somehow I think it also made sense but
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it was a very complex album it is yeah it takes
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several you know attempts to listen to And to
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sort of see the whole picture almost, but I really
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enjoyed. And then, uh, like you said, Zerbin's
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voices, that was so impactful for me. And then
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also, uh, Clarice Assad, Peace Hero. Great, great
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piece. And also, oh, there's a Faisal Say, Black
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Mirror. That's right. That's, um, that's not
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on the printed album, but on the digital album.
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I see. Okay. Yeah, that didn't make because there
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were too many pieces for the physical CD. But
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luckily now we can have digital things that don't
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need to exist in physical form. So lucky or unlucky,
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I don't know. So yes, Black Earth is a beautiful
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piece. Also somehow felt right on this album.
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Are these contemporary pieces commissioned for
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this project? Most of them. Fazil Say's was not.
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He plays this piece beautifully. But most of
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them were. Clarice Assad's piece, that was a
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commission that came a few years before the album.
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So I already had that piece. But that was commissioned
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with music words in mind. So it was just a perfect
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fit for the album. And the other two were commissioned
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specifically kind of for this project, for the
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Manuscripts Don't Burn program and for the album.
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--> 00:29:04.210
Your recordings, you know, often seem to build
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around the idea, an idea or a dialogue rather
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than simply a collection of repertoire. Like,
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you know, we've just talked about Stranger Things
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and also Manuscripts Don't Burn. And also you
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did that with your 2021 album Reimagined Beethoven
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and Ravel. And that was also fun to listen to.
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Thank you. What draws you to creating albums
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as conceptual or narrative projects? Well, I
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think, you know, first of all, I don't think
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of an album. I think of a concert. I think of
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a performance. I think, what do people want to
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hear? And how is this program relevant? And,
00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:44.019
you know, people who book this program and people
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who go hear it, what about it draws them in?
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And then I create the album. And the album, of
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course, won't always be exactly the performed
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program, but I think the performance comes first.
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Like in the case of Manuscripts Don't Burn, for
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example, I performed this program or selections
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from it with some other pieces. But between them,
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I read from my memoir, for example. And that
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program is called Manuscripts Don't Burn. In
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the case of Reimagine, Beethoven and Ravel, that
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became a COVID project. I recorded it in 2020.
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And nine premieres. That's a lot of new music.
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Six premieres, six of them responded to Beethoven,
00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:37.190
Bagatelle's Opus 126, and three of them responded
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to Gaspard de la Nuit of Ravel, which I had already
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recorded previously, but which I played a lot.
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But all of that came from a festival that I curated
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at UCLA, where I just thought, you know, we need
00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:53.210
to make bridges between new music and old music.
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We can't just... give the audience a bunch of
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premieres and expect them to get into that world
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and not be afraid. But if we show a connection
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between now and then, I think it becomes natural.
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It becomes almost effortless to listen and to
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create these connections. So that's the idea
00:31:12.150 --> 00:31:15.069
behind all my programs, but specifically that
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one. And so at first, the Beethoven bagatelles
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.539
came about because the responses are six composers
00:31:22.539 --> 00:31:25.059
from our wonderful composition faculty at UCLA.
00:31:25.940 --> 00:31:29.599
David Lefkowitz, Peter Golub, Ian Krauss, Richard
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.400
Danielport, Tamir Hendelman, who's a jazz pianist,
00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:36.500
also, and Mark Carlson. So all of these short
00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:40.759
pieces were created specifically with a bagatelle
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:44.769
per composer. But when I performed them. I would
00:31:44.769 --> 00:31:47.309
put the new piece first, the new Begatel first,
00:31:47.529 --> 00:31:49.650
followed by the Beethoven that corresponds to
00:31:49.650 --> 00:31:51.769
it. Because I didn't want people to listen to
00:31:51.769 --> 00:31:53.829
Beethoven and have expectations and then try
00:31:53.829 --> 00:31:56.029
to compare. I thought it would be more fresh,
00:31:56.089 --> 00:31:58.509
more interesting this way. And I got some pushback
00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:00.650
in some places, but I believe that that's how
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it should go. And I've performed that a number
00:32:05.109 --> 00:32:07.529
of times. And I think with Beethoven's death
00:32:07.529 --> 00:32:10.490
-aversary, gosh, that's kind of a terrible word,
00:32:10.549 --> 00:32:13.690
but, you know, 300 years, right, without Beethoven.
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.400
And I think it's a great program for that time
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.680
because, you know, connecting the last thing
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.059
that he wrote to new pieces written specifically
00:32:26.059 --> 00:32:29.599
to honor the Bagatelles. And then the Ravel,
00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:32.059
that was really cool because the three composers,
00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:36.059
Timo Andres, Paola, Prestini, and Billy Childs,
00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:40.500
the great jazz pianist, Grammy -winning composer,
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.220
too. All three of them took this on in such a
00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:47.539
major way. And every piece became like a major,
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.940
big, big piano piece. And now Billy Childs is
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:54.900
writing for me a big piano cycle where the first
00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:57.319
piece, Pursuit, was the piece he wrote in response
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.400
to Scarborough. And that's from the Reimagined
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.279
Beethoven and Ravel album. And so that piece
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.559
is now the first piece in what's to be a big
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.960
opus of his, a magnum opus for the piano. So
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that program was a big challenge and a challenge
00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:14.359
to play because I perform, of course, the Beethoven,
00:33:14.440 -->
00:33:16.839
I perform the Ravel, and then the nine premieres
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.799
in different order. But yeah, it's a lot, but
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.400
I think it's a great experience, both for me
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.700
and for the public. So from the concert stage
00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:31.599
to recording studio, I guess, that's how it became
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:36.680
an album, or a lot of times becomes album? Yes,
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.859
I think from specifically that one, I recorded
00:33:39.859 --> 00:33:42.779
first because it was COVID. So there was nothing
00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:45.980
more to do really than make records, do online
00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:51.740
concerts. But usually, yes, I don't always just
00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.119
play the, as I mentioned, I don't always play
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.259
this program on the CD as it appears on the CD.
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.500
Sometimes I vary things a bit. I think in the
00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:04.480
case of Stranger Things, it works beautifully,
00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:09.739
but it can also be a mix. I've been including
00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:13.699
my piece, Old Bell Tower, in the Manuscripts
00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:16.400
Don't Burn recital program, and it kind of works
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.519
beautifully. It's whatever I'm feeling at the
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.639
moment. So once again, for listeners, Ina's innovative
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.199
2024 album, Manuscripts Don't Burn, and also
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:30.099
2021 album, You Can Imagine Beethoven and Ravel
00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:33.840
are all available on streaming services. So be
00:34:33.840 --> 00:35:06.489
sure to check it out. Check them out. I also
00:35:06.489 --> 00:35:10.090
want to talk about Gabriel Prokofiev. Oh yes.
00:35:11.829 --> 00:35:16.710
Concerto. OK, so for my audience, Gabriel Prokofiev
00:35:16.710 --> 00:35:20.650
is the grandson of the Prokofiev, right? Sergei
00:35:20.650 --> 00:35:23.250
Prokofiev. Yes. Although maybe maybe Gabriel's
00:35:23.250 --> 00:35:25.809
the Prokofiev now. Who knows? I mean, yeah, it's
00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:29.590
true. He is the grandson of Sergei. And I have
00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:32.489
to say, you know, Gabriel is. the sweetest, most
00:35:32.489 --> 00:35:35.550
wonderful guy. And he completely has made his
00:35:35.550 --> 00:35:39.070
own mark. I mean, he's as revolutionary and as
00:35:39.070 --> 00:35:41.369
much a risk taker as his grandfather, but he's
00:35:41.369 --> 00:35:43.909
gone into a completely different direction. And,
00:35:43.929 --> 00:35:46.829
you know, he lives in London. He doesn't speak
00:35:46.829 --> 00:35:49.389
Russian. So you wouldn't know. And he doesn't
00:35:49.389 --> 00:35:53.789
go around kind of talking about this too much
00:35:53.789 --> 00:35:56.389
about his grandfather. He's humble with this.
00:35:57.050 --> 00:36:00.550
So he's just an amazing composer in his own right.
00:36:01.190 --> 00:36:03.869
And who happens to be Procopio's grandson. Yes.
00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:08.670
So can you tell us a little bit about this concerto?
00:36:08.670 --> 00:36:12.869
I saw you perform this piece on YouTube. I think
00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:18.210
I saw like a mini short video of that performance
00:36:18.210 --> 00:36:21.829
and also on your social media. Oh, my goodness.
00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:27.389
Oh, my goodness. Yes. I wanted to show you. It's
00:36:27.389 --> 00:36:31.989
OK. Thank you for showing. So as you see, it's
00:36:31.989 --> 00:36:34.690
just several octaves and many, many oscillators,
00:36:34.690 --> 00:36:37.750
many knobs. And so that's the big challenge is
00:36:37.750 --> 00:36:41.429
the concerto itself is a very big piece, very
00:36:41.429 --> 00:36:43.269
challenging piece. I learned it on the piano.
00:36:43.269 --> 00:36:46.750
It's very virtuoso, really rich, really amazing
00:36:46.750 --> 00:36:49.389
music. And then I had to learn how to play the
00:36:49.389 --> 00:36:51.469
Minimoog synthesizer. And, you know, people might
00:36:51.469 --> 00:36:53.110
think, oh, it's just a keyboard. I mean, it looks
00:36:53.110 --> 00:36:56.909
easy. But this piece specifically was created
00:36:56.909 --> 00:36:59.530
to showcase the instrument as a big virtuoso
00:36:59.530 --> 00:37:02.489
solo instrument, which a concert pianist would
00:37:02.489 --> 00:37:07.789
play. And it's in four movements. Each movement
00:37:07.789 --> 00:37:11.809
showcases a different aspect of music and of
00:37:11.809 --> 00:37:14.150
the instrument. So the first movement is glittering,
00:37:14.150 --> 00:37:17.710
very virtuoso. The second movement kind of actually
00:37:17.710 --> 00:37:20.150
sounds like Sergei Prokofiev and Stravinsky,
00:37:20.369 --> 00:37:22.590
that very tender, beautiful, melodic, almost
00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:27.650
neoclassical. world. Third, I become, I don't
00:37:27.650 --> 00:37:29.530
even know how to describe this. The sound is,
00:37:29.610 --> 00:37:32.989
you know, video game music, crazy, crazy drum
00:37:32.989 --> 00:37:35.690
machine music, things like that. Fourth movement
00:37:35.690 --> 00:37:38.710
is EDM. So electronic dance music, incredible
00:37:38.710 --> 00:37:40.769
propulsive rhythm, which is also a trademark
00:37:40.769 --> 00:37:44.250
of April 5th. But the piece makes sense incredibly.
00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:47.969
It's a huge, powerful orchestra part. We premiered
00:37:47.969 --> 00:37:51.650
it in Porto, in Portugal, at Casa da Música in
00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:56.510
November and premiering it. this year in Asheville
00:37:56.510 --> 00:37:58.530
with the Asheville Symphony, which happens to
00:37:58.530 --> 00:38:02.809
be, Asheville happens to be the home of the Moog
00:38:02.809 --> 00:38:06.710
Museum and the Moog Foundation. So we'll be doing
00:38:06.710 --> 00:38:09.469
the U .S. premiere of the piece there. And I
00:38:09.469 --> 00:38:12.010
really hope that we record it sometime soon.
00:38:13.170 --> 00:38:16.570
And for me, this was the wildest thing I've done
00:38:16.570 --> 00:38:19.579
by far. Out of anything, I played the piece standing
00:38:19.579 --> 00:38:22.300
up. So it kind of looks like a DJ, you know.
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.440
And Gabriel did write a concerto for DJ and orchestra
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:29.199
that has had over 100 performances. So it's a
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:33.619
pretty crazy thing to do. But I loved every moment
00:38:33.619 --> 00:38:35.280
of it. I didn't really know what I was getting
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.159
myself into with the oscillators. And he coached
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.099
me. He knows the instrument very well. So, you
00:38:42.099 --> 00:38:44.739
know, I'm getting better and better. Every note,
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.460
every the amount of different kinds of sounds
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.440
is incredible. But something for the audience
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.780
to understand is that this is not this is the
00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:54.320
original synthesizer. It's a historic keyboard
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.420
instrument. What that means is there are no pre
00:38:57.420 --> 00:38:59.840
-programmed sounds. So it's not like you press
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.340
a button that, oh, there you get the sound. No,
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.440
it's it's very different. Every every mix of
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.980
sound I have to do by hand, like a bartender,
00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:14.380
you know. So it's crazy. There were moments where,
00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:18.940
you know, as pianists, we never worry about having
00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:21.039
sound. I mean, no matter what, even if it's not
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.599
good, we put our hands down, sound comes out.
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.900
But in this situation with this instrument, there
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:29.780
would be moments where I have to prepare a certain
00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:32.219
kind of sound while orchestra is playing tutti.
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.960
And if I don't do it quickly enough or if I do
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.380
something wrong, if I move an oscillator just
00:39:38.380 --> 00:39:41.300
the wrong way a little bit or too far. Then I
00:39:41.300 --> 00:39:43.840
can play and no sound comes out. Or the entirely
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.199
wrong sound. So it was really tough. I had these
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.920
nightmares of no sound coming out. But it's an
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.099
amazing piece. It's propulsive. Some of it's
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:56.179
gone viral on socials. So you can check it out.
00:39:56.739 --> 00:39:59.639
And then what was the reaction from the audience?
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.639
Oh, they went crazy. But this was an audience,
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.539
you know, the program had another massive world
00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:09.840
premiere. and Romeo and Juliet by Sergei Perko.
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.980
So it was kind of a funny program. The second
00:40:12.980 --> 00:40:14.980
half was another huge world premiere. So this
00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:19.480
was obviously an audience that wanted the most
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.719
cutting -edge new music possible. And they loved
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:44.789
it. Do you think we're going to see more of this,
00:40:44.869 --> 00:40:47.650
like electronic instruments entering the traditional
00:40:47.650 --> 00:40:50.809
concerto orchestral world? Not as effects, but
00:40:50.809 --> 00:40:55.190
as true virtual solo instruments? I think this
00:40:55.190 --> 00:40:58.329
is certainly the pioneer. And if it has enough
00:40:58.329 --> 00:41:01.329
reach, which I think it will, I think, yes, it'll
00:41:01.329 --> 00:41:05.969
be a start of something new. Now, I want to...
00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:09.099
talk a little bit about you as a storyteller.
00:41:09.219 --> 00:41:12.679
You know, you wrote a memoir, Weight in the Fingertips,
00:41:12.739 --> 00:41:16.900
a musical odyssey from Soviet Ukraine to the
00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:21.340
world stage, which tells your story through words
00:41:21.340 --> 00:41:23.460
rather than, you know, through performance. And
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:26.920
also, I want to know about the Polonaise fantasy,
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.239
the story of a pianist. That's the one woman
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:35.030
monologue recital. So let's start with you. memoir.
00:41:35.289 --> 00:41:39.630
So what made you decide to write the book? Well,
00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:44.309
the book took 13 years to write. And as I mentioned
00:41:44.309 --> 00:41:47.869
earlier, I love words and I read a lot and somehow
00:41:47.869 --> 00:41:50.670
it's actually a funny story that I like to tell
00:41:50.670 --> 00:41:54.460
from the stage that I was pregnant. with my son
00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:57.199
and we were still living in New York it was very
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.599
hot and I had a concerto that was postponed because
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.559
the date of the concerto was the exact date of
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.039
my son's upcoming birth so the orchestra rebooked
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:11.179
me and I really wanted to play the concerto I
00:42:11.179 --> 00:42:13.760
was ready to go but they were just a little bit
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.719
apprehensive rightfully so because the concerto
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.260
was list one so I started writing for just because
00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:23.820
I had to do something And I had these vivid memories
00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:25.960
of Odessa, growing up in Odessa, and I started
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.619
writing them down. I think a couple of books
00:42:28.619 --> 00:42:32.800
impacted me a lot. One of them was Elif Batuman's
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:36.139
Adventures with Russian Books and People Who
00:42:36.139 --> 00:42:38.840
Love Them, which was this quirky, strange
memoir.
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.920
And I thought, you know, if a memoir about Russian
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:48.239
books can read so well, can be so impactful.
00:42:48.989 --> 00:42:51.650
I should write a memoir for people, not just
00:42:51.650 --> 00:42:56.190
for musicians, for everyone about music. So I
00:42:56.190 --> 00:42:58.429
decided to do it back then, but it took many,
00:42:58.510 --> 00:43:02.130
many years. So first I wrote these chapters.
00:43:02.550 --> 00:43:05.909
Then we moved to L .A. and the chapters found
00:43:05.909 --> 00:43:09.210
their way into the hands of a wonderful producer,
00:43:09.489 --> 00:43:12.389
television producer who has had since taken on
00:43:12.389 --> 00:43:15.670
theater. And she had a theater series and she
00:43:15.670 --> 00:43:18.440
suggested. that I make this into a monologue
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.159
recital. And she helped me turn the chapters
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.900
that she read into a script. So I started performing
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:30.480
Polonaise Fantasy, The Story of a Pianist. Now,
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.000
at first I performed it, the premiere was with
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.460
a wonderful actress, Rebecca Mozo, who I believe
00:43:35.460 --> 00:43:37.400
now is based in the East Coast, but she used
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.940
to be here in LA. So she was me and I was at
00:43:40.940 --> 00:43:43.980
the piano. And that's how we recorded it. But
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:47.219
then just because of schedules, And also people
00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:48.780
said, you know, Ina, it's your story. You should
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:51.199
read it. And schedule -wise, it was easier because
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.619
it was just me versus having to coordinate schedules
00:43:53.619 --> 00:43:56.340
with an actress, with a very busy actress. It
00:43:56.340 --> 00:43:58.880
was wonderful. So I started doing it myself.
00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:03.699
And that's been a very popular show that I've
00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:06.179
done all over the place and in translation, actually,
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.199
in Italy. I did a premiere in London, and I've
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.900
done it in many places in the U .S. as a one
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.460
-woman show that details my story of immigration.
00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:19.289
growing up in Odessa of immigration, a love story
00:44:19.289 --> 00:44:23.110
that spans decades because, you know, I like
00:44:23.110 --> 00:44:25.449
to say what book is worth reading unless there's
00:44:25.449 --> 00:44:31.070
a love story in it. And everything about music,
00:44:31.090 --> 00:44:34.150
you know, things about, things about touring,
00:44:34.210 --> 00:44:36.869
things about your voice, your artistic voice
00:44:36.869 --> 00:44:39.150
and what that means and the challenges of keeping
00:44:39.150 --> 00:44:44.230
that. Chapters about my teachers, lots of stuff,
00:44:44.309 --> 00:44:48.719
lots of stories.
I think a fun read. Also, there's
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.579
a lot of grief in it and pain, but also love
00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:54.320
and joy. So I think it's a very emotional book.
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:56.739
I think it's a funny book and I am very proud
00:44:56.739 --> 00:44:59.739
of it. And it took a while. Well, I haven't got
00:44:59.739 --> 00:45:03.420
a chance to read it yet, but hopefully in a few
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:06.960
days, I look forward to reading. So, well, but
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.800
that's, that's actually the backstory of the
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.980
one woman show. That's interesting, but you know,
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.980
your your approach to your expression is not
00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:21.619
really simply categorized in one thing you know
00:45:21.619 --> 00:45:23.980
you're not just simply a concert pianist you
00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:27.639
compose you do all sorts of you do writing and
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.000
a one -woman show and you're recording artists
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.039
so Looking across your career, you seem almost
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.659
determined not to accept a narrow definition
00:45:35.659 --> 00:45:39.079
of what a concert pianist traditional sense is
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.039
supposed to be, right? So where does the instinct
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.019
to keep crossing boundaries come from? Is it
00:45:45.019 --> 00:45:48.480
just out of curiosity? You know, it's really,
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:53.960
I don't, it's not my purpose to define, to break
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.139
any boundaries or to redefine anything. I don't
00:45:57.139 --> 00:46:00.860
think about that at all. In fact, I... I think
00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:03.239
of myself as a concert pianist. I have a Tchaikovsky
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.179
concerto coming up in two weeks with the Santa
00:46:05.179 --> 00:46:08.440
Fe Symphony. I'm practicing it. You know, I believe
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.539
in sound and sound quality. I believe in extremely
00:46:11.539 --> 00:46:14.679
detailed approach to practicing, to hearing.
00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:18.400
But I'm also an imaginative person, I think,
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.639
a curious and creative person. And I think that's
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.139
important. I think that makes your playing more
00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:25.880
alive. So I do these things because I want to,
00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:29.909
because it's interesting for me. And it's authentic,
00:46:30.090 --> 00:46:32.309
meaning, yeah, it comes from me. It's not because
00:46:32.309 --> 00:46:33.989
someone said you should do that because that's
00:46:33.989 --> 00:46:37.309
going to get you more gigs. That's not at all
00:46:37.309 --> 00:46:39.630
how it happens. And it might not even be true.
00:46:39.889 --> 00:46:44.530
I just do it because I feel this, you know, energy
00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:47.570
inside that makes me want to do it. You know,
00:46:47.610 --> 00:46:50.090
I've been playing recently quite a bit with an
00:46:50.090 --> 00:46:52.610
amazing violinist. I love chamber music, by the
00:46:52.610 --> 00:46:55.719
way. I love standard chamber music rep. I love
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.199
the Schubert and Beethoven and Schumann, et cetera.
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.019
I've been playing with this incredible boundary
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:04.860
crossing violinist, Gilles Lepap, who's amazing.
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.579
But he said in interviews, like people always
00:47:07.579 --> 00:47:09.980
asked him, you're such an iconoclast. And he
00:47:09.980 --> 00:47:13.539
said, it's like the farthest thing from my mind
00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:16.760
is to be an iconoclast. I just play all different
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.079
kinds of music because I like it. Because he
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:25.360
plays blues and jazz and music. old -time music
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.519
and just all he kind of goes around the world
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.519
collecting folk music in a way and he does it
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.119
because he wants to and to me that's really incredibly
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.320
inspiring that's something that I've never done
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.820
yet and I've never played jazz there are a lot
00:47:37.820 --> 00:47:41.599
of things I haven't done but it's just in a similar
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.760
vein I don't do anything to cross boundaries
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.539
on purpose I just You know, the Prokofiev project,
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.900
the Gabriel project. He heard my show, Bolognese
00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:53.860
Fantasy, the story of a pianist. He heard it
00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:56.719
in London. We became friends. And then he said,
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.719
well, Ina's a boundary crossing person. She's
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.280
not afraid. I'll ask her if she wants to do this
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.079
thing, my concerto. And I loved it. And, you
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.679
know, we worked on it together. I even helped
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.860
him kind of focus some of the motivic stuff to
00:48:09.860 --> 00:48:12.239
see what works on the piano versus the minimo.
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.280
You know, it was such a joy. But if I didn't
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.800
like the music, I wouldn't have done it. So that's
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.280
just to say I do it because I want to. Wonderful.
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:26.320
Well, thank you. So just to tell us a little
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bit about, I know you mentioned about childhood,
00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:31.900
you know, immigration and so on, but maybe you
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started your piano lessons, taking lessons from
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your mother. That's how you started music, your
00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:40.860
musical journey, right? Yes. And then your father
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:44.320
was the one who taught
you poetry. And then so
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we really want to know how you get to where you
00:48:47.659 --> 00:48:49.960
are. So, you know, from the first lessons to
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:53.739
maybe your teachers, you know, you you have an
00:48:53.739 --> 00:48:57.420
incredible list of very famous teachers on shine,
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.460
you know, Fleischer and so on. So. Sure. Thank
00:49:01.460 --> 00:49:05.360
you. So my mom, you know, my mom was always there
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:08.949
for me and I did have another teacher. in Odessa,
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and a wonderful teacher in Odessa. And I also
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had a composition teacher, and my mom practiced
00:49:14.429 --> 00:49:16.570
with me at home when I started working with those
00:49:16.570 --> 00:49:19.710
two fantastic women. And then another composition
00:49:19.710 --> 00:49:23.630
teacher came along, and his name was Jan Freidlin.
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And so the pieces on my disc, Stranger Things,
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were actually written under his supervision,
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under his pedagogy. And he taught at the great
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Stolarski School. So and then when I immigrated
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to the US, I joined the studio of Emilio del
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.500
Rosario in Chicago. Now, Emilio del Rosario was
00:49:42.500 --> 00:49:46.440
very, very famous nationwide and even internationally.
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.840
I mean, we had heard of him in Odessa, but he
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.639
was well known for kind of instilling a love
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for performance and really strong chops in young
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students, you know, giving repertoire that by
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.500
all standards is too difficult. I didn't know
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it was hard. I learned Scarbo at 14. I learned
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the Tchaikovsky concerto at 13 because my hands
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were large enough. I could handle it. It felt
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comfortable and I loved it. And the more I did,
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the more I wanted. So, you know, nowadays people
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:22.179
play rock three and they're like 11 and, you
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know, it's crazy. And back then it was less so.
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Yeah, it's crazy. There's some, the Goldberg
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variations at 11. Why not? But, you know, he
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didn't assign musically. daunting stuff like
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that. But I would say technically. So that I
00:50:38.730 --> 00:50:41.809
was so grateful that at a young age, I played
00:50:41.809 --> 00:50:44.769
some really big pieces without knowing their
00:50:44.769 --> 00:50:47.269
difficulty. And so when you get older, those
00:50:47.269 --> 00:50:51.309
pieces are
still in your repertoire. And this
00:50:51.309 --> 00:50:53.849
prepares you for a whole journey, you know, with
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piano repertoire. So he really instilled that
00:50:58.730 --> 00:51:01.090
discipline, technical discipline, and a love
00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:03.809
for performance and kind of an organic approach.
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:08.420
to technique, to piano technique. But the training,
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.400
you know, the discipline was incredibly rigorous.
00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:15.659
So after him, I went to Anne Schein, really poetic,
00:51:15.860 --> 00:51:20.099
kindest, most incredible. pianist and person
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and we just lost her she passed away several
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:24.860
months ago and you know there's a huge community
00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:27.860
of musicians whom she impacted and i loved her
00:51:27.860 --> 00:51:30.340
dearly and then i studied with fleischer and
00:51:30.340 --> 00:51:32.820
that was not easy but very very interesting and
00:51:32.820 --> 00:51:35.159
in some ways when i teach when i think about
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.460
especially classical music beethoven schubert
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:43.260
mozart It was a very impactful several years,
00:51:43.460 --> 00:51:46.239
if not easy, because I didn't agree with him
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.260
on everything. And I still don't. But many things
00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:52.800
spring in my mind as very deep truths, profound
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:59.559
truths about music. So overall, whereas she just
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.119
supported my individual voice, he helped me hear
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.900
the piano as an orchestra and approach it as
00:52:04.900 --> 00:52:07.420
a conductor, which was very interesting. And
00:52:07.420 --> 00:52:10.119
then after that, I got my doctorate with Gil
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.780
Kalish, who just turned 90, who's amazing and
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:16.199
also has impacted so many great musicians. He
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.420
was such a wonderful mentor. And I got my artist
00:52:19.420 --> 00:52:22.039
diploma at the same time with Boris Petruszanski
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.880
in Accademia Pianistica Internazionale in Italy.
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He also has many well -known piano students.
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:32.920
And he really brought me back to my roots, I
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:36.250
think, because he studied with Neuhaus. from
00:52:36.250 --> 00:52:39.809
the Moscow Conservatory. When he taught me, it
00:52:39.809 --> 00:52:43.510
was just so wonderful to speak in poetry. You
00:52:43.510 --> 00:52:46.050
know, he would quote Russian poetry. I grew up
00:52:46.050 --> 00:52:49.809
knowing and learning and loving. And he not only
00:52:49.809 --> 00:52:53.309
helped me get back to my individuality and my
00:52:53.309 --> 00:52:55.190
own voice of the piano, but he really helped
00:52:55.190 --> 00:52:57.489
me refine my approach to sound and to pedaling
00:52:57.489 --> 00:53:02.219
specifically. to hear sound as three -dimensionally
00:53:02.219 --> 00:53:05.179
as possible, to find a legato, a connectivity
00:53:05.179 --> 00:53:09.099
between sounds that is fluid, but also a whole
00:53:09.099 --> 00:53:11.079
world in pedaling. So that was Petroschansky.
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.079
And I really credit him with my approach, my
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:18.380
pianistic approach. May I say this? It comes
00:53:18.380 --> 00:53:21.980
across through your performance of Brahms when
00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:26.030
I heard it. Yeah, the tone and the clarity. Thank
00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:28.389
you so much. That means a lot because that piece
00:53:28.389 --> 00:53:30.690
actually went with all these teachers. I learned
00:53:30.690 --> 00:53:34.510
it while with Anne Schein. Really? Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:53:34.909 --> 00:53:37.690
But really, especially the tone, I felt like,
00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:40.730
wow, this is something very special. Thank you
00:53:40.730 --> 00:53:44.909
so much. And then now you are also a professor
00:53:44.909 --> 00:53:50.070
of piano and head of the piano at UCLA. Alpert
00:53:50.070 --> 00:53:53.309
School of Music. So you're not only building
00:53:53.309 --> 00:53:55.610
your own artistic life, but you're helping young
00:53:55.610 --> 00:53:59.349
musicians, you know, imagine theirs. So when
00:53:59.349 --> 00:54:01.510
you work with young pianists today, what are
00:54:01.510 --> 00:54:04.730
you trying to cultivate beyond technical excellence?
00:54:05.909 --> 00:54:11.889
Well, I approach every student differently. To
00:54:11.889 --> 00:54:14.210
me, their individuality is extremely important.
00:54:16.349 --> 00:54:18.570
you know technique is only a means to an end
00:54:18.570 --> 00:54:21.650
so with each one of them i try to help them really
00:54:21.650 --> 00:54:25.429
find who they are and understand what their experience
00:54:25.429 --> 00:54:29.269
with the piano had been previously as a pianist
00:54:29.269 --> 00:54:33.909
of course i focus on sound and very specifically
00:54:33.909 --> 00:54:36.710
on being relaxed and being relaxed from the inside
00:54:36.710 --> 00:54:39.929
not just physically but from very much from the
00:54:39.929 --> 00:54:44.099
gut and relaxing in here inside the heart i want
00:54:44.099 --> 00:54:46.559
them to find joy in music i want them to find
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:51.039
uh love in music happiness you know people don't
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:52.880
talk about that very much when they look for
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:59.019
a conservatory or university to go to um you
00:54:59.019 --> 00:55:01.280
know musicians should have happy lives and they're
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.179
not easy but they're happy so do i help them
00:55:04.179 --> 00:55:06.860
realize themselves to the best of their ability
00:55:06.860 --> 00:55:08.619
and of course i expect them to work very hard
00:55:08.619 --> 00:55:14.099
but uh You know, imagination and creativity and
00:55:14.099 --> 00:55:16.780
openness is what I try to cultivate in my students.
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:20.059
Wonderful. Amazing. Your students are very lucky
00:55:20.059 --> 00:55:22.719
to have you as a teacher. Now we're coming toward
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.500
the end of our conversation. It's been a really
00:55:24.500 --> 00:55:27.719
wonderful, enriching conversation. Very inspiring.
00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:32.519
So let's promote. So not only your. Of course,
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.380
we're here to promote the latest album, Stranger
00:55:35.380 --> 00:55:38.380
Things, Piano Works from a Young Refugee's Backpack
00:55:38.380 --> 00:55:42.300
is now out. And what do you actually most hope
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:46.000
listeners take away from this album? I hope that
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.760
they hear the story. These pieces, they're all
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.449
so different. And I hope they hear this. a thread
00:55:53.449 --> 00:55:56.929
through them that holds them together. And I
00:55:56.929 --> 00:55:59.489
hope they hear the whole thing because today,
00:55:59.610 --> 00:56:02.989
you know, that's not, that's not a given. So
00:56:02.989 --> 00:56:05.070
I hope they stick with it. And I hope that they
00:56:05.070 --> 00:56:07.449
walk away feeling they've had an experience.
00:56:07.489 --> 00:56:09.489
Now, if you don't mind, I'd love to mention the
00:56:09.489 --> 00:56:11.869
other albums I have coming out because it's one
00:56:11.869 --> 00:56:15.110
of the several, I actually have another album
00:56:15.110 --> 00:56:17.329
that came out just a few weeks before stranger
00:56:17.329 --> 00:56:21.510
things. And that's Richard Daniel pores. Piano
00:56:21.510 --> 00:56:24.449
Suites. It's on Super Train Records. And these
00:56:24.449 --> 00:56:26.969
are three suites for piano by the amazing piano
00:56:26.969 --> 00:56:29.329
composer and my UCLA colleague, Richard Danielpour.
00:56:29.469 --> 00:56:32.929
Those are beautiful. And I think people will
00:56:32.929 --> 00:56:36.030
hear more about them as the weeks progress. And
00:56:36.030 --> 00:56:40.329
in October, there will be another release, Forehand
00:56:40.329 --> 00:56:42.630
Mahler, with my friend Daniel Schlossberg, who
00:56:42.630 --> 00:56:45.889
lives in Chicago. And it's Mahler, the transcription
00:56:45.889 --> 00:56:51.230
of Mahler Symphony No. 6. And it's awesome. It's
00:56:51.230 --> 00:56:54.090
by Zemlinsky. Mahler approved it. He loved it.
00:56:54.190 --> 00:56:56.670
And it's an amazing way to experience this work.
00:56:57.809 --> 00:57:01.630
And finally, another CD that's coming out is
00:57:01.630 --> 00:57:05.010
with a Czech violinist, Pavel Šporčil on Pentatone
00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:06.730
Records. That'll be out later in the spring.
00:57:06.889 --> 00:57:09.929
All Czech music and most specifically a world
00:57:09.929 --> 00:57:12.309
premiere of the Janáček Violin Sonata, the early
00:57:12.309 --> 00:57:15.679
version that he... kind of discovered and i just
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:18.059
recorded that in prague and that was an amazingly
00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:21.000
moving experience he's an amazing string player
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:26.480
um pavel sportchal very famous violinist in the
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:30.480
czech republic and a beloved so i think that'll
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:32.699
be a really special album as well so lots of
00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:35.119
music coming out in addition to stranger things
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:39.719
of course Amazing. I feel like you have more
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.659
than 24 hours a day. Well, you're that talented,
00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:45.139
I guess. So what's the best way for our viewers
00:57:45.139 --> 00:57:47.420
and listeners to stay connected with you and
00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:50.800
follow your work? Your website? Yes, they can
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.400
go on my website. And yes, Instagram would be
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:59.510
great, at Ina Falex Piano. And my website. My
00:57:59.510 --> 00:58:02.110
schedule is being updated, but I send out a newsletter
00:58:02.110 --> 00:58:03.969
every once in a while so they can join that.
00:58:04.309 --> 00:58:06.909
But follow me on Instagram. All of my performances
00:58:06.909 --> 00:58:09.630
you'll know about from there as well. Well, thank
00:58:09.630 --> 00:58:12.130
you. Now, before I let you go, we have one more
00:58:12.130 --> 00:58:14.409
thing to do. It's called the Pianopod Rapid Fire
00:58:14.409 --> 00:58:18.329
Questions. Just to sort of end our conversation
00:58:18.329 --> 00:58:20.809
in a little bit more fun way. And then this is
00:58:20.809 --> 00:58:24.530
our tradition. So actually, we take the segment
00:58:24.530 --> 00:58:26.690
pretty seriously. And then, you know, you've
00:58:26.690 --> 00:58:29.050
shared your artistry and story and some wonderful
00:58:29.050 --> 00:58:32.630
insights about music and composition today. But
00:58:32.630 --> 00:58:35.730
these carefully curated questions will allow
00:58:35.730 --> 00:58:38.789
our listeners to finally discover who. You really
00:58:38.789 --> 00:58:41.789
are. So please answer each one with the shortest
00:58:41.789 --> 00:58:44.929
response possible. No explanation is necessary.
00:58:46.289 --> 00:58:54.630
No pressure. Coffee or tea? Coffee. Sunrise or
00:58:54.630 --> 00:59:01.849
sunset? Sunset. Mountains or ocean? Ocean. Sweet
00:59:01.849 --> 00:59:07.710
or savory? That's a tough one. Savory. What skill
00:59:07.710 --> 00:59:10.230
have you always wanted to learn but haven't had
00:59:10.230 --> 00:59:16.969
a chance to? Diving. Good one. What is your word
00:59:16.969 --> 00:59:23.750
or words to live by, if any? Adventure. Favorite
00:59:23.750 --> 00:59:28.130
venue you have ever performed in? Oh, gosh. That's
00:59:28.130 --> 00:59:31.429
really tough because this changes every year.
00:59:34.309 --> 00:59:38.119
Salcorteau in Paris. What is the most important
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.820
quality you look for in other people? Can I say
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:47.500
two? Sense of humor and down -to -earth realness
00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:51.679
and sense of humor. Now, if you could go back
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.900
and give your younger self one piece of advice,
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.699
what would it be? Listen to your own voice. Don't
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:03.579
be swayed by trends. Last question. Fill in the
01:00:03.579 --> 01:00:11.050
blank. Music is blank. Music is oxygen. Beautiful.
01:00:11.389 --> 01:00:13.809
Ina, thank you so much for joining me today and
01:00:13.809 --> 01:00:16.449
helping us open this new season of The Piano
01:00:16.449 --> 01:00:18.710
Pod, your journey, your willingness to keep...
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.360
expanding what it means to be a pianist and artist,
01:00:21.579 --> 01:00:25.280
make this a perfect way to begin our season of
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.960
culture and courage. For those tuning in, be
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.780
sure to check out Ina's newest album, Stranger
01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:33.679
Things, Piano Works from a Young Refugee's Backpack,
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.719
as well as her memoir, Weight in the Fingertips.
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We'll include all the links in the show notes.
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Thank you for joining us for the inaugural episode
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.739
of a season seven, everyone. And please like,
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subscribe. Leave us a comment and follow the
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Thank you again, Ina. Thank you so much. Thank
01:00:54.619 --> 01:00:56.360
you. And thank you for watching and listening.
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See you in the next episode.