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Welcome to The Hanley Effect, a podcast by The
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Hanley Foundation, designed to educate, change
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minds, and save lives. Our goal is to inspire
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you, showcase our innovations, and change the
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conversation about addiction and mental health.
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Join us as we unravel stories of resilience,
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recovery, and hope. Hi, everybody, and welcome
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to The Hanley Effect. I'm John Dyben. I am Rachel
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Docekal. Dr. Rachel Docekal, how are you today?
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I'm good, Dr. D. How are you? I'm glad we're
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doing this again. Me too. I like hanging with
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you. We work together all the time, but it's
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always busy, busy, busy, and it's always taking
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care of patients and figuring out how to do things.
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So it's always cool to kind of sit here and just
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chat a little bit. This is our happy place. It
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is. It is. We love it. And today, extra happy
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with our guests. Because we have double, double
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your pleasure, double your fun. Is that right?
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Yes. Well, we have double the guests today. We
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have two guests today. And today, can I introduce
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them? Yes, please do. All right. Please do. I
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get to introduce you guys again. So today we
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have Mike. Rogers. And James Bartle. Now let's
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talk about Mike and James for a second. Okay.
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Different, very different people. Just thought
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about that for a second. I mean, we couldn't.
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I mean, so we have a businessman and we have
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a skateboard pro. So it couldn't be more different.
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Yet they're very, very, very much connected and
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both here to tell us stories about recovery,
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about their own recovery, but also about what
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it is to support others and recovery. So Mike
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and James, we want to say thank you guys and
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welcome. Thanks for having us. So we like to
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start by asking you to tell us a little bit about
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what you do, who you are, what you do, but also.
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your journey what brought you to doing what you
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do so i'll let you guys fight over who goes first
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but mike why don't you start sure um i grew up
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down here in um south florida i moved from um
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i was born in florida south carolina 1966 and
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then um i moved to lakewood florida 1968 69 um
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lakeworth uh lake worth and i lived right off
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10th avenue and um grew up there and then i graduated
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from lake worth high school in 1985 and we were
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right by the beach so when i was younger in high
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school we would go surf and skate down there
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at the beach um during lunch break so it was
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good um growing up here in south florida and
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then um The summer of 1998, June 26, I went to
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the Easy Does It and became sober. I've been
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27 years in June this year, 27 years sober. And
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being sober, you can accomplish many things.
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You know, with me and doing your 12 -step, 11
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-step is being a service. That's where me and
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James come in. We do this event to help people
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get on the journey of sobriety. And you can accomplish
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many things in your life with sobriety, you know.
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So that's kind of my story. And then I became
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a YMCA skate park director at one of the busiest
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skate parks in South Florida to this day. It
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was before the Internet. So once people were
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active. We were doing 90 kids every three hours.
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On a Saturday, we had 350 kids in there. Couldn't
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get some of them to leave. So I did that for
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eight years. And in 2003. I came back with my
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scarcoma. I'm a two -time scarcoma survivor.
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They're soft cancer tissues, super -duper rare,
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1 % of all cancers are scarcomas. They're super
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rare. A lot of doctors don't even know what they
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look at when they see them. So I'm a survivor
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of that, and I'm a survivor every day to some
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being a sobriety person. So, yeah, this is a
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great fit, the barbecue and James and all this
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stuff. So that's my... Little borrow there. And
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we're going to ask a little bit more specifically
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about that
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barbecue and what it is. And we want
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to talk about the foundation and what that event
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does. I didn't realize that you're so I was born
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and raised in Lake Worth, grew up here all my
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all my life, you know, was in Lake Worth High
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School until, you know, I didn't finish there,
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but but spent a year there. And you grew up around
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right around 10th Avenue and the half pipe down
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there where my brother would. skate and everybody,
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you know, and I would just be the dorky kid that
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wished he could. You were the cool kids. We had
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a 10th Avenue ditch right there. That's right.
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That was like there's a 10th Avenue ditch and
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then you had Skateboard Safari. It was built
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a little during that time, you know, in the late
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70s. We did have a skate park. It was Skateboard
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Safari. It was like Lake Auto Park. It was short
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lived because in insurance issues and in the
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airport kind of wanted that property back. So
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it kind of like kind of faded. Kind of quick.
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Yeah, it's Lake Worth. It's a really, really
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cool place if you actually spend a lot of time
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there. You mentioned something, though. So you've
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had this, survived this cancer twice. And the
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first time you were pretty young. Yeah, 10 years
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old to have a scar coma at 10. There was only
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six cases in the United States. Wow. I'm a survivor
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of that youth cancer. Was lucky enough that there
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was the Miami Children's Clinic back then. And
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down in Miami, we have the best eye institute
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for rare cancers or anybody who has a super gnarly,
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very hard to treat eye disease. We got the Baskin
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Palmer Eye Institute in Miami, best in the world.
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So I was lucky because I was only an hour and
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a half away. Wow. So I love that because it.
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And I guess what I because, you know, when I
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think of someone suffering that as an adult,
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that's tough. When I think about suffering that
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as a kid and I love hearing you talk when you
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say, you know, man, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky.
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And I wonder how much of that. Has to do with
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the, the, those 20 something years of recovery,
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because it's, it would be easy to say I was a
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kid, an innocent kid, a Vic, you know, victim
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of this. And now I'm a victim of this. And yet
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you're, you're just saying how lucky you are.
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How much of that is, is related to all sobriety.
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It's all sobriety. So if I didn't have the 12
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step in my life, the second battle with all the
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home issues, all the broken family stuff, you
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know, that's where the Hanley thing is so good
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because it has all those programs for everybody.
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And there's a lot of broken people here down
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here in Palm Beach County. So to have the Hanley
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Foundation with all those programs, all the virtual
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stuff that you can do now, people can do it virtually.
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You guys are just crushing it. So, yeah, look
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at all the stuff that you guys accomplished over
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all these years with before we wouldn't talk
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about our sobriety. Right. We're going to talk
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about our mental illness. Now there's programs
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for people. You can come out easily about things,
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you know. So before you didn't have that. Before
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now you can come out with, if you have this disorder,
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like I was dyslexic, I never could spell it right.
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Now I can come out about it and say, yeah, I
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got it on my LinkedIn profile. So then people
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know how to treat that person with that disorder,
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you know. So alcoholism, you know, you got to
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have a 12 -step if you're from a broken home.
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And you got to really work it, you know. You
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just don't get sober and stay sober. You got
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to stay, want to stay sober. So that's where
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the barbecue comes in. And you guys, the handling,
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all of us, we're making a difference in people's
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lives because they can come out and feel comfortable
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about it, you know, and come and skate, barbecue.
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It's not all about the skating. It's about the
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sobriety, staying healthy, staying active, skateboarding,
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your community, your 12 -steppers that you can
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count on if you need them. You know, so all that
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stuff, you know, so I'll make barbecue and I'll
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eat barbecue. I'll let you do the skating because
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we do not want me doing that. But, but James,
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what, what is this? You know, I will, you know,
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we're, we're talking about this, this Bartle
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barbecue and hang. And can you talk to us a little
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bit about what is this? Where did it come from?
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What's the, the purpose of this event that you
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have? So Mike, Nephew Corey Bartle passed away
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from a fentanyl overdose at the age of 34. And
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I wanted to do something. I didn't know what.
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I was going to start a nonprofit. I was going
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to jump in here. I was going to try to do this,
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try to do that. And I work at the National Croquet
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Center where we have the Bartle Barbecue Hang
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every year. And one of our members said, you
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really need to talk to Hanley. And I did. And
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I had a wonderful conversation. And we turned
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it into an event. And it worked. I realized what
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Hanley was all about, that they cared as much.
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Exactly what I was trying to accomplish is to
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make people aware of. of what's happening around
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us. I'm the owner of Sandy James Fine Food and
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Productions. I have a big catering company. A
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great catering company. You're kind of a big
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deal, James. No, I'm not. You are to us. Yeah,
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you are. I work with a lot of people in food
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and beverage, and there's issues there. That's
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part of that industry, so I see a lot of it.
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With Corey, I saw it. We fought it for a long
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time. I saw the whole thing happening. And after
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he passed away, I really wanted to do something.
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And it worked out that we got Mike. Brian from
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Life, right? All of a sudden his name popped
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up. Certain people's names popped up and everybody
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kind of just said, yeah, let's do this and let's
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make this happen. And it did. And it worked.
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And we had fun. And we're going to do it again.
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And I think we're going to have more fun this
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year. We've got some different surprises for
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everybody this year that I think we're working
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on hard. that I think is going to make it a little
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bit more exciting. And what's the, where does
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the, what is the support, this event? The support
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actually comes from a lot of different people
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that, very surprisingly, a lot of people that,
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a lot of my clients. A lot of people that I'm
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in touch with. But then the community. I mean,
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people that, I mean, last year, the first year
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I kind of knew almost everybody. But last year
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I didn't know hardly anybody. It was so big.
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It was just a lot of different people with families
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and kids that I saw walking. Like, who were they?
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Who were they? Wow. And they actually came to
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have a fun day. And they did. And they left.
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That's amazing. They left with. Mike here brought
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all kinds of goodie bags for everybody. Yeah,
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we bring a lot of swag for everybody. It's kind
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of like we do a best trick contest on their level.
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So whoever wants to come and ride there, hold
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their hands. And we have helmets for people.
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We just want to give everybody the experience
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what it would be like to ride the half pipe.
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And the half pipe is really easy to ride. It's
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wood. So if you do fall, you're falling on wood.
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You're not falling on concrete. You know, it's
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really light skating. But we have some high caliber
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skaters that come out, though. draw attention
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to the families this variety event so families
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feel comfortable you know it's a real quick event
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where you can come and have some great food have
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a great experience and then you know people don't
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have all day for a long event so this is like
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the perfect length of an event what is it
like
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three hours we're doing this three hours yep
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it works really well it's like perfect it's like
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like a half an hour of demo. We got Alex Sargenti
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this year. He grew up here skating in Lake Worth.
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I coached him from the age of five until he was
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18, and then he didn't want to be coached anymore.
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He wanted to show everybody he could do it, and
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he's from Lake Worth here. We've never had a
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world champion skateboarder from South Florida,
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so we have Alex coming out this year. He's a
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two -time X Games gold medalist. Yes, he is.
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And a two -time global. Park champion. So he's,
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like, accomplished all his goals in his young
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20s. We were texting him while he was in the
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Olympics this year. It was kind of cool. Oh,
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wow. That's unreal. So I think it's going to
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be very exciting to have him here. So there are
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a couple things I love about this event. So,
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first of all, you really help kids of all, first
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of all, all ages, but really. There are some
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kids who have never skateboarded before that
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I see you put on the half pipe and you show them
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what to do all the way up to experts, all these
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different levels of competence. Yeah, that's
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the years of doing skateboard programs, you know,
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like. Having structured skateboarding doesn't
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fit with skateboarding, actually, with me. I'm
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the guy, the goody -two -shoes of skateboarding,
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so I kind of wear my pads. I treat it as respectful.
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Like, a skateboarder hurts you. It's very hard
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to skateboard. It's not easy. Put the helmet
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on. Put the helmet on. That's right. He was yelling
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at everybody, put the helmet on. And I do it
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always at a skate park. You know, I'm not out
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there street skating, breaking off myself. I'm
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doing it in a structured environment. And, like,
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a lot of competitions are at skate parks. You
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can approach skateboarding two ways. You can
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be the renegade or you can be the professional.
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Alex and a lot of guys from South Florida, like
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top -notch skaters in the world, are from South
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Florida now from the programs. Hanley has a good
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program, get you on a 12 -step, and then you
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get your mind, body, and spirit in order. And
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then you get your athleticism back. You get your
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wellness and your happiness going on your skateboard.
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So that's where the Hanley effect in skateboarding.
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It's a great combination with the barbecue, because
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then you have people out there that are just
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getting their sobriety, and they're skateboarding,
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and there's great food. James is out there rocking
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the food. Yeah, so you can't get a better event
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for that. And this year, I think we're going
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to pack it out. This is your dream. We grew it
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from learning each year, and now we found the
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formula. That's it. We found the formula. We
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found the formula. The partner with Hanley. Gramp
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and me with all the experience and you with all
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the experience with the food. And Hanley has
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been doing this forever, helping people get on
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the right path with the 12 -step. So Hanley,
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we have something really special called the Lifesaver
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Scholarship Fund. And every dollar that's raised
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for scholarships goes to help people in their
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treatment and in their aftercare find recovery.
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James, we didn't talk about this before. I hope
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you don't mind me telling our listeners. But
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not only does every penny raised at this event
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go to scholarships, but you cover all the costs.
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So this event. I mean, it's 100%. 100 % of every
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single penny goes back to help save lives. And
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you have saved lives in Corey's name. That's
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good. Can't get better than that, can it? Can't
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get better than that. That's what we call sobriety
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at its best, man. I also think that it's the
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help of the community that's coming together.
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I think that... What Hanley's doing, and you
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had just mentioned earlier when you were talking,
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Mike, that Hanley is making mental illness not
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a bad thing. Right. Because it used to be, not
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that long ago. Right. And it's still a struggle.
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It's still a huge struggle, but people are talking
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about it. And again, I bring up my... My employees,
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I have a lot of them, and they have struggles,
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and you can see them. But it's making everybody
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more aware that, okay, there's an issue here
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that we have to deal with versus shunning them
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or all of a sudden treating them differently.
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It's like, wait a second, what's wrong? Oh, then
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you dig in a little bit deeper and you realize
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that there's something that's wrong that we can
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fix. That's right. And we do fix it. Instead
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of deciding that that person doesn't belong with
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us anymore, we're actually accepting them and
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saying, and it's not just coming from me, it's
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coming from my staff as well. And I can see them
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helping each other. And I think that it's the
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handling effect. It's like they're realizing
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that this works. Like, wait a second, this person
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can be helped. Yeah, that's right. Maybe it'll
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take a little bit of time and a little bit of
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compassion. It works. I think that's one of my
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biggest things that I've seen in my life with
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Hanley that's changed us as a group of people,
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which is we have a great group of people that
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work for me. They're amazing. They're amazing.
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They're amazing. They're amazing, but their eyes
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have been opened, I think, by the whole Hanley
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effect, as we'll say. By us partnering with Hanley
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and doing your events and working with you, they
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realize, wow, this is a thing. This is a really
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good thing, and it's changing people's lives.
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It's changing people's lives. Even just a little
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bit. I always say it doesn't have to go poof.
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Just a little bit. Just a little tiny bit at
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a time makes a big, big difference. One of our
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goals at Hanley is that one of these days, instead
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of saying mental illness, we just say illness.
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So if you have the flu, I say, oh, you have an
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illness. If you have cancer, you have an illness.
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Why do we have to say mental illness? I want
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us all to just start saying. And it's small things
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like that are contagious. They are contagious.
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When you're talking, I think about the word contagious
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because, you know, I've never, you know, I get
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to be at our events and I've gotten to know some
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of your staff. We love them so much. But I never
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thought until this moment that. That they're
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what they're there like they're there at every
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event. They're hearing alumni tell stories of
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of going from devastation. And it is contagious.
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The good is contagious as well. And it's just
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just thinking about how environments impact us.
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And every moment, every one of us gets to be
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a part of an environment. And we're impacting
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people we don't. I never even thought. about
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how impacted your team would be by hearing those
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stories. But, of course, it makes total sense.
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It's beautiful. It makes sense, and it's not
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being pushed on them. They're just there. With
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my business, we are very fortunate to be invited
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into rooms. where there's very interesting conversations
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going on that we're not supposed to talk about
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or hear about, but we hear them, especially with
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what's going on in the world. And I have a high
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-end catering company, so we are in rooms and
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halls and lecture halls with all kinds of information.
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And a lot of my staff does try to, like, wow.
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Somebody just paid a lot of money to be in this
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room. I'm going to listen to this. And I think
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that's what's happening with the Hanley effect
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with my staff. They're like, wait a second. We're
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listening to this. This is happening. Wow. This
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is true. Wow. My uncle, my brother, my cousin,
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my this. I could maybe try to help. This is an
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idea that's working for these people. And I think
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that's what's carrying on. And I can see that
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actually happening with my staff, which I think
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is really cool. I love that. That's good stuff.
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I just want to share with you the impact that
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you made on Mary Jane Hanley. So before she passed,
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she came and visited Hanley Center in January
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2023. You remember. And you and your team collaborated
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with Chef Tim and our team at Hanley and produced
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just the most exquisite dinner. The impact, the
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kindness, the empathy, the sense of purpose that
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you and your team brought to that event was not
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lost on her, and she talked about it. So thank
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you. That makes me very, very happy. That's great.
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That's amazing. I'll bring Jessica up. That was
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my Jessica. She's incredible. She's incredible,
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yeah. Yeah, we love Jessica so much. We all,
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everybody knows Jessica and everybody loves and
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appreciates Jessica. And she leads your team,
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man, masterfully. And I don't even know if I'm
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allowed to say this, but Jessica's sober as well.
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And so, you know, she's someone that wasn't sober.
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I don't know if that's, I'm allowed to say this,
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but I'm going to. If not, you'll be in trouble
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with her. I'll be in trouble with her. Not us,
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that's right. No, no, but she definitely went
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through her trials and tribulations, and I kept
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her on. She did go to rehab. She went to California.
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She was gone for months and months and months.
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And I said, let's not lose Jessica. Let's keep
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her working. She needed health insurance to pay
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for it. And so I kept her on, and they let her
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work remotely now and again, and she did, and
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she fixed computer problems and all kinds of
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stuff. Then COVID hit, and all of a sudden, you
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know, she was in North Carolina, and I'm like,
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come back. Please come back. She's like, really?
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I'm like, yes, come
back. She's incredible. So
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thinking then about you're an employer, right?
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You have a large company. You're an employer
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of a lot of people. There are going to be people
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who are employers who just heard that. I think
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that's a really interesting thing to spend a
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second on. Why, if someone, you know, why not
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just get rid of someone? And when it comes to,
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especially people in the food industry and the
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service industry, you know, you're absolutely
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right. There's so much addiction and substance
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use disorders are really, really prevalent. And
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why not just get rid of them? If somebody is
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a restaurant owner or catering crew, why would
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you say, hey, Think about not just getting rid
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of these people. Because I think everyone has
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value. We don't know exactly what that is, but
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everybody has value. And if you look and find
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out what that is, not everyone's a great chef.
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Not everyone's a great party planner. Not everyone's
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a great florist. But we all have something that
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we can offer. And if you can find that something
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and make it work. And we spend time and energy
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in working on that to make this employee part
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of the family. All of a sudden, when they're
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going through a bad time, I don't want to kick
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them to the curb. I want to fix the illness,
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as we will say now, which I'm now going to start
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using illness. All right. One convert. Fix the
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illness versus bringing in somebody else that
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we don't know. may look perfect and act perfect,
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but the same, it's, yeah, it's called life. And
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so I'd rather spend the time with the people
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that have worked for me that are going through
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bad times and make it and help them be there
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as a support system versus saying, no, no, no,
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no. Of course, there are issues that I can't
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fix. And I've done what I can do. And I, I have
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to make decisions about, yeah, this person's
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not going to work for a
while. And, or, you know,
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I never, I never say to anybody that, that they
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have to get sober or they have to get help or
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they, because we all know that's their decision.
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And until that happens, but when they do, a lot
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of them come back. I'll say, you know, can I,
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can I come? Yeah, come on. It's good. So good.
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I have to ask this follow -up because I'm really
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curious. Where is that answer that people have
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worth, people have value, where did that come
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from? Where did you develop that sense? I don't
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know. I think that's the way that my mother taught
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me. My twin brother, I have a twin, I had a twin
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brother who was Corey's father. that had an accident,
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quadriplegic, and I was his caretaker for 30
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years. So I think that had a lot to... I was
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around a lot of people that were caretakers,
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that were helping, and I think maybe that probably
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rubbed off on me a little bit. A little bit.
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Yeah, I think it... Probably did. And so I think
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helping him, because he was at a disadvantage
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because of the fact that he was, you know, I
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mean, Corey, I mean, Mike has stories of Corey.
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Yeah, like Corey's dad used to come out there
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and watch him skate when he was in the chair,
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you know, so. My brother had a pretty good idea
00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:20.619
what he wanted to do, even though he was in the
00:26:20.619 --> 00:26:22.410
wheelchair. He thought he was still. I mean,
00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:26.269
I run in marathons. With Corey, it was great
00:26:26.269 --> 00:26:28.150
that we had an option that we could drop Corey
00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:30.349
off with Mike and know that he was going to be
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okay and we would get there. But taking care
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of my brother for those many years, I think that
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led me to open my eyes maybe a little bit about
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people and what's really inside versus just what's
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outside. And what's really important. That's
00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:53.380
another thing. What really is important, yeah.
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And I think that's the key, that we get out of
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this. Because you both have stories of, you know,
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I'm
a therapist, so I'm always curious why. How
00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:10.470
did you develop this sense? Years and years of
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recovery and service and having lost a nephew
00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:19.430
to this disease and being, but, you know, it's
00:27:19.430 --> 00:27:21.650
pretty clear that there's something deeper. And
00:27:21.650 --> 00:27:25.730
so you've got mom who taught you some. I think,
00:27:25.789 --> 00:27:28.950
yeah, I think that's a lot to do with it. But
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I also think, you know, we're in the people business.
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And so we deal with people. You know, I deal
00:27:36.390 --> 00:27:40.339
with. People pretty well, I always have. I don't
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know where that came from, but I always say the
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billionaires like to be treated just like everybody
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else. If you treat a billionaire like you treat
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a dishwasher, you're not judging anybody. It's
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just who they are. They're called people. And
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I think that's the way that I've always thought
00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:02.559
that that's the way that there should be an evil
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.140
level playing. It's not about... how much money
00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:08.779
you have or what kind of car you drive or how
00:28:08.779 --> 00:28:10.700
big is your house or what you do for a living.
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It's about people. This is what you do. What
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are they giving? What's the big picture? And
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I think that's why I don't have an issue. Some
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:27.119
people are like, if you know me really well,
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.619
you know that I was in shorts and a T -shirt.
00:28:31.420 --> 00:28:34.259
you can't go to that client's house looking like
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that. And I'm like, yeah, they like me like that
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because they're going to think that that's who
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I am and that's who they are. And there's a sense
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of ease because they know that I'm not trying
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to buy something or sell them something, all
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that stuff that they go through every day. There's
00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:53.279
a genuineness about you that's very, it is, it's
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very comforting. You've got a lot of empathy,
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.000
man. You've got a lot of empathy in you, man.
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You've been through a lot, so that's where that
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empathy comes through. is your brother and all
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that, you know? So, yeah. Well, I mean, I think
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it's just, I don't know. It's a, it's a good,
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--> 00:29:10.480
it's a good way to be. Yeah. It's a good quality,
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man. I mean, I think this guy right here, same
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thing. That's why we're a good team. All of us.
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That's why we have a, we have a great team of
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people together for this, for this fundraiser
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that I, that I hope is going to bring in more
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money this year and we're going to have more
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fun. I think it's very cool that we have the
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National Croquet Center. I'm going to throw their
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name in there because they are letting us. They're
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wonderful there. They're letting us put a half
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pipe at the croquet center. That doesn't happen
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every day. That doesn't happen now. That just
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shows you how good the event is. That's how professional
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it is and the sobriety of it. How many people
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were helped from that event? It goes a long way.
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Surfer Blood. We've got Surfer Blood, and they're
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:54.099
back with us. They've signed on to it. So they
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were great last year. They were fantastic. That
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was really good. They were really good. They
00:29:58.059 --> 00:29:59.680
were really good, and I think we're going to
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have... It's so fun. We're going to bring the
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party like we did last year up to the actual
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veranda. So the air conditioning is there. If
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the weather's bad, it's not going to really matter.
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.759
The first year we had issues. Way down, yeah.
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It was different over there next to the lake.
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This year it's going to be, or last year it was.
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We decided last minute to bring it closer, and
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I think it worked really well. Really worked.
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For those that are listening, when is this event,
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and where can they find out more information
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about it? We're looking at September 14th at
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the 13th Croquet Place. National Croquet over
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there. September 13th, 4 o 'clock, the National
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Croquet Center, 700 Florida Mango, right next
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to the zoo, West Palm Beach, very easy to get
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.339
to. And everyone is welcome. We can go on to
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the Hanley website and buy tickets. And, yeah,
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we want everybody to come, please. Very good.
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.319
So that's our HanleyFoundation .org website.
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:06.339
All right, navigate to tickets. Bardo Barbecue.
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Guys, we have run out of time, but we like to
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take the last minute and give you each an opportunity
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.119
to think about one last message. What is one
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.420
thing that you would want our listeners to hear?
00:31:18.500 --> 00:31:20.200
And our listeners are people. They're people
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.140
in recovery. They're people who are struggling
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:25.119
with addiction and other illnesses right now.
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.859
They're people who are family members, friends.
00:31:28.099 --> 00:31:31.960
They're people in the community. What is one
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:36.410
thing that you would want to say? To those that
00:31:36.410 --> 00:31:40.329
are listening. I think we learned a new word,
00:31:40.390 --> 00:31:43.630
illness, today. I think we have to all remember
00:31:43.630 --> 00:31:47.670
that, take that mental word out. I love that
00:31:47.670 --> 00:31:49.990
today, that we actually have a new way of thinking.
00:31:50.650 --> 00:31:52.869
And that there's help out there. That there's
00:31:52.869 --> 00:31:56.509
really, we are very, very fortunate to live in
00:31:56.509 --> 00:31:59.069
South Florida. We're in this place where there's
00:31:59.069 --> 00:32:02.349
help. And it's right here. You have to be able
00:32:02.349 --> 00:32:05.190
to reach out and grab it. It's there for you.
00:32:05.780 --> 00:32:09.140
Beautiful. And how about you, Mike? Yeah, it
00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:11.019
only works if you work it. So there's a lot of
00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:12.740
help out there. People are willing to help you.
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:15.920
So Hanley, everybody go to their website and
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:18.119
go there and get the work that you need for your
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.170
illness and you'll be very happy. Man, Mike and
00:32:21.170 --> 00:32:23.230
James, thank you both so much for being here
00:32:23.230 --> 00:32:24.910
today. This was so fun. Love this. Thank you
00:32:24.910 --> 00:32:26.789
both. Can't wait for the event. Thank you guys
00:32:26.789 --> 00:32:29.130
for having us. Dr. D, love being with you as
00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:30.930
always. I know. It was a great one today. It
00:32:30.930 --> 00:32:34.089
was super fun. So fun. And thanks to everybody
00:32:34.089 --> 00:32:36.349
who's listening or watching. We'll see you next
00:32:36.349 --> 00:32:39.089
time on The Hanley Effect. Bye, everyone. Thank
00:32:39.089 --> 00:32:40.750
you. Bye -bye. See you guys. Thanks for listening.
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.480
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