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Stuart Gary: This is space time series 29 episode
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128 full broadcast on 26
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October 2026 coming up on
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Space Time, scientists trap
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antimatter, successfully holding it for
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months. Liftoff for Japan's sample
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return mission to the Red planet. Mars and
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the Time Lords have demanded, ah, a change in
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how science understands time.
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All that and more coming up on, um, Space
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Time. Welcome to
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Space Time with Stuart Garret.
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Physicists have successfully trapped an
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antimatter particle called a positron in an
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experiment that helped set the stage for one
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of the toughest tests yet for the standard
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model of particle physics, the foundation
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stone of science's understanding of the
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universe. The new study, reported in
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the journal Physical Review Letters, could
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eventually enable the most precise test yet
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of a fundamental symmetry between electrons
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and their antimatter counterparts. See,
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the problem is, equal amounts of matter and
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antimatter were created in the Big Bang
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13.8 billion years ago. However, uh,
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as matter and antimatter annihilate each
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other when they come into contact, the
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universe should have disappeared in a flash
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of gamma ray light almost immediately after
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it formed. Yet clearly, that didn't
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happen. And we live in a universe dominated
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by what we call matter rather than
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antimatter. The positron is
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the positively charged antimatter counterpart
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to the negatively charged electron. According
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to the standard model, electrons and
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positrons should be perfect mirror images of
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each other. So by measuring the positron's
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magnetic properties with unprecedented
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precision and then comparing those with the
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electrons
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properties, physicists should be
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able to put this fundamental symmetry to its
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most stringent test yet. And if the
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measurements don't match up as expected, that
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would reveal a crack in the standard model of
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particle physics, offering new clues to
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enduring mysteries, including why ordinary
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matter, rather than antimatter, dominates the
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universe. After first capturing the
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fast moving particle from radioactive decay,
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the authors cooled it to nearly absolute
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zero. They then suspended the particle in a
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near perfect vacuum, preventing it from
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touching ordinary matter, an encounter which
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would cause it to annihilate. By trapping and
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cooling a positron in this way, the authors
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created what they're calling a 1 positron,
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quantum cyclotron. In this state, the
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positron essentially behaves very much like
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an artificial atom with quantum energy
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levels, scientists can precisely control and
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observe. The study's lead author,
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Gerald Gabriels from Northwestern University,
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says, if you take an electron and a positron
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and collide them together, they'll both
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disappear. They'll annihilate each other. And
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he says the big mystery of the universe is
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the fact that the Big Bang should have
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created equal amounts of matter and
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antimatter. But if that were true, it would
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annihilate and we'd be left with nothing. So
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clearly there's something wrong with the
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theory, and that's what science is trying to
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figure out. The standard model of
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particle physics is a long standing
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hypothesis describing the fundamental
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particles and three of the four fundamental
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forces, the electromagnetic force, the strong
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nuclear force and the weight weak nuclear
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force. Experiment after experiment
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has confirmed the model's predictions with
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extraordinary precision. Yet physicists
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know the model is not complete. It doesn't
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explain dark energy or dark matter. Nor can
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it explain why the observable universe
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contains overwhelmingly more matter than
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antimatter. Gabriel says
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science knows the standard model has to be
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wrong somewhere, or at least incomplete.
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Nearly everything on Earth is made of just
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three familiar particles electrons,
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protons, neutrons. And an
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antimatter universe instead could be built
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from their antimatter counterparts,
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positrons, antiprotons and
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antineutrons. Gabriel says the
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simple fact is, if everything on Earth were
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antimatter, it would be difficult to tell the
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difference. The fireworks only occur
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when the two worlds, matter and antimatter,
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meet. Now, one of the problems with testing
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all this is that scientists can't simply put
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a positron into a conventional container.
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That's because touching the container itself,
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which is normal matter, would cause the
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antimatter particle to annihilate. So if
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scientists want to study antimatter, they
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need to handle it really carefully. So to
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carefully handle the particle, the authors
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used a state of the art trap, which combines
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specialised electric and magnetic fields in
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order to suspend the positron in a void.
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Sitting in the middle of this container, the
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positron never touches anything. And because
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of this setup, uh, the positron in
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Gabrielle's laboratory has remained trapped
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for months. Mind you, catching the positron
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in the first place was its own challenge.
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Positrons can be generated during radioactive
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decay of certain atomic nuclei. In
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this experiment, Gabriels used nuclei from
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Sodium 22, a rare radioactive isotope
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of sodium. When the particles emerge from the
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nuclei, they carry enormous amounts of
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energy. So the team first needed to slow down
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the positron and then guide it into the
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trap's near perfect vacuum. The interior of
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the trap is cooled to just 0.3 degrees above
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absolute zero, which is minus
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273.15 degrees Celsius.
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Gabriels and colleagues also demonstrated
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that they could precisely manipulate and
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detect the positron's individual quantum
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energy states. By delivering carefully
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tuned microwaves, they added tiny precise
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amounts of energy to the positron and
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detected its resulting quantum transitions.
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And that level of control is essential for
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scientists ultimate goal, measuring the
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positron's magnetic properties with
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extraordinary precision and then comparing
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them with those of an electron. In
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previous work, Gabriels used a 1 electron
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quantum cyclotron to measure the electron's
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magnetic moment to about 1 part in 10
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trillion, which is among the most precise
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measurements ever made for any electron
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elementary particle.
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Now with the trapped antimatter, Ghebrios
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plans to make the same kind of quantum
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measurement with the positron and then put
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the two results head to head. He says current
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theory suggests there should be no difference
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between the two measurements, but if it turns
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out they're not equal, that would be the
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biggest discovery in physics in the last
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century. And needless to say, we'll keep
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you informed. This is
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space time still to come.
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Liftoff for Japan's first sample return
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mission to the red planet. Mars and the Time
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Lords have demanded a change
in how science
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understands time. All that and more
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still to come on, uh, space time.
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Japan's Martian Moons exploration MMX
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mission is now on its way to the Red Planet's
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moon Phobos. Following its successful launch
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from the Tanegashima Space Centre, a thousand
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kilometres south of Tokyo,
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Tim Mendham: We have a successful rest of our H3 launch
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vehicle from number 10 with the MMX first
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custom board from Jackset.
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Stuart Gary: And 4.5 ton spacecraft
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will arrive at Mars in August next year,
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spending several years orbiting the 27
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kilometre wide potato shaped moon,
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undertaking readings and searching for
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appropriate landing sites. In
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2029, it'll deploy a small
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25 kilogramme four wheeled Land Rover called
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Itafix, which will descend down to the Phobos
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surface and undertake preliminary
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observations before MMX itself drops
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down at the surface, undertaking several
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touchdowns in 2030, collecting up to 10
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grammes of samples. These will then be
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loaded onto a return module which will fly
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back to Earth in 2031, parachuting down into
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the Woomera rocket range in Outback South
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Australia for collection by scientists.
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Dr. Sarah Webb from Swinburne University
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says those samples will help answer key
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questions about the origins of both Martian
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moons, Phobos and Deimos.
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They're either captured asteroids from the
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nearby main asteroid belt between Mars and
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Jupiter, or they're the remains of debris
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ejector, uh, thrown out into orbit following
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a giant asteroid impact under the Martian
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surface.
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Silvia Mantovanini : So this mission, called Martian Moons
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Exploration, or MMX for short, is
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quite exciting. It's led by
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space agency, and its whole goal is not only
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to go to Mars to orbit around Phobos, but you
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actually collect a sample of it and return it
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back to Earth. Uh, and if successful, this
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will be the first time ever that a sample has
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been collected from the Martian planet system
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and then brought back to Earth for further
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analysis. So us scientists are, uh, uh,
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shaking in our boots, getting really excited
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because this is things that we've been
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waiting for for decades and it's now within
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Stuart Gary: critics are going to say it's Phobos, it's
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not Mars. The Moon was chosen because it's
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easier to land there, it's easy to take off.
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Silvia Mantovanini : Much easier. And we don't know what Phobos is
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as well. We theorise that it's likely a
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captured asteroid, but there's also a theory
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that it is the leftover chunk of Mars that
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formed because of a giant impact. And so
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we won't actually know until we get our hands
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on that material and be able to analyse it in
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more detail.
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Stuart Gary: That's one of the first things you learn in
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astronomy school. Is Phobos a chunk of Mars
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that been blasted into orbit, or is it a
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captured asteroid?
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Silvia Mantovanini : Right. It's a mystery that hopefully by
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2035, once we have the sample back on Earth,
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we might be able to answer.
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Uh, and then that has a lot of rundown
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consequences for what we understand about our
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solar system as well. Because Mars is the
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only other rocky planet aside from Earth,
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that has moons. But its moons are, uh,
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obviously very different to our own gigantic,
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very influential moon that we have here on
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Earth.
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Stuart Gary: Yeah, we got our moon thanks to the giant
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impact we did. Mars, on the other hand,
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the only place in the universe that we know
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of, other than Earth, where there's a real
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likelihood, a real potential for life to have
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existed. It was once warm and wet, and as it
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cooled, it lost its protective shielding, its
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atmosphere. And, uh, the water that was there
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slowly evaporated and degassed into space.
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Any life now would be fossilised, and there
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are tantalising signs of that in places like
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Chiava Falls.
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Silvia Mantovanini : I think it is, it is exceptionally exciting.
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different planet, very similar to Earth in a
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lot of ways. And if life did exist there,
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those fossils should remain in the fossil
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record. And so I think that's one of the
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biggest questions we have just in general as
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humans, as beings is are we alone in the
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universe? Is life only on the Earth, or are
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we going to find it elsewhere. And the first
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place to really dig into that is our own
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solar system. We've got some tantalising
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and Saturn that likely have big subsurface
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oceans that could have life in them, but
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they're very far away. They're less tangible
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to us to physically think about going and
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collecting samples analysed. Where is Mars?
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it's fairly close to the Earth. We can get
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there within a year or two. We can collect a
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sample and bring it back in less than a
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decade. But it is that kind of holy grail of
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can we answer this question with one simple
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sample?
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Stuart Gary: And it's easier to launch off because it's so
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much smaller.
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Silvia Mantovanini : That's right. Gravity is, um, relentless.
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fall at the whim of gravity. And so if you
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have a smaller mass, a smaller planet or a
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small moon, how wonderful you are able to get
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that exit velocity. You need to get on your
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merry way. Whereas launching, launching
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things from, uh, Earth is very doable. We've
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done it for decades now. But it is
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extraordinarily expensive to fight against
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that force of gravity and get things into
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orbit and away from the Earth as we need to.
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Stuart Gary: China are likely to undertake their sample
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return mission to Mars and, um, return
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those samples possibly by 2029.
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European mission, which was the final
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stage of what the Mars perseverance robe
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is doing on Jezero Crater.
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moment. No, uh, pun intended because of
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federal funding, but nevertheless, it's got
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the samples, they're lying there on the
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surface to be collected. We just have to go
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back there and get them. It's a very
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interesting stage in research right now. It
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must be really frustrating as a, as a
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scientist involved in this type of research,
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to see one of your goals so near and
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yet out of reach so far.
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Silvia Mantovanini : I think it is a very, uh,
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unique time in history where we know so much
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and so little and we know what we need to do
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to be able to advance technologies. And yet
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we're constantly blocked by same challenges
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by, by different challenges that, that are,
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uh, global at this point. But certainly when
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we're looking to the United States that
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there's been a large halt on what we thought
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the direction of science is going to be in
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the next 10, 20 years. And so as a scientist
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worldwide, look, we've got this collective
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worry of we know what we need to do for
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advancing human knowledges not just in
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astronomy or space exploration, but in
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medicine and things that are really going to
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change our life. And yet we're halted by
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funding.
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something that here in Australia a lot of
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scientists have been quite vocal about with
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our Academy of Science trying to advocate to
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all of the MPs around our country how
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vital scientific research is for our everyday
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life and how it should be funded
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significantly because we only know that good
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consequences will come when we, when we put
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in that money.
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Stuart Gary: Yeah, the loss of funding for the European
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Southern Observatory project we were involved
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in, that's a, uh, that is such a low. That is
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devastating.
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Silvia Mantovanini : It is devastating. And Australia has this
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phenomenal history, especially in astronomy
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where we fat way above our weight
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in terms of the global scale. And with the
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European Southern Observatory, it was not
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only for the astrophysics and the
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observations of it all, it was actually for
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the instrumentation as well, which Australia
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is a world leader at. And so the community
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right now and is speaking from, coming from
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that, that astronomical community is trying
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to figure out what is, what is next for us,
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where can we maybe have different access to
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different telescopes to help support the
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goals to keep Australia on top and all those
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trickle down technologies that come from it,
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all the instrumentation that ends up going
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into other sectors or those algorithms and
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those skills for people that we train that
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end up going into other sectors, all within
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the Australian economy. So it is a, it's a
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very um, an interesting challenge and one
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that we were keen to solve.
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Stuart Gary: I keep thinking of the ligo, uh, experience
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that we had a few years ago where LIGO
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offered Australia a gravitational wave
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detector. It was there, it was waiting, the
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plans were there and the Australian
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government said no.
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built it unfortunately.
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Silvia Mantovanini : Yes, it is, it is Google. I think what's so
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challenging is in a funding uh, limited
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environment where you've got more people
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fighting to do good work and all work in the
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scientific community across Australia is good
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and worthy work and it's very difficult. You
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can't, it's very, very difficult to say this
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is more deserving of this or this or that.
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a landscape that has more funding with bigger
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dedicated visions. So specific funding for
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specific goals that is able uh, to help
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serve those communities.
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Stuart Gary: That's uh, Dr. Sarah Webb from Swinburne
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University. Um, and this is space time
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still to come. The Time Lords demand a change
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in how we understand time itself. And later
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in the Science report, a, ah, world first
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Australian developed personalised MRNA
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melanoma, um, vaccine. All that and more
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still to come on space time.
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Silvia Mantovanini : Foreign,
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Stuart Gary: Uh, following a decision
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to abolish the leap second leap seconds
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are added or deducted every few years in
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order to keep the world's atomic clocks
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aligned with the actual rotation of our
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planet, so that seasons start where they're
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supposed to, computers perform as they
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should, and satellite navigation systems work
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correctly. The world's clocks are
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governed by their seconds, 60 of them in
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every minute, 3,600 in every hour,
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and 86,400 in a standard
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mean solar day. By the way, a standard
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mean solar day is the time it takes the Earth
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to complete one full rotation, placing any
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given spot with the sun at zenith, that is
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directly overhead, directly back at zenith,
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one full planetary rotation later. That's
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very different to a sidereal day, which is
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used by astronomers and observatories to
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track the Earth's rotation, as referenced by
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a bunch of fixed, seemingly unmoving, um,
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background stars. The sidereal day
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shows that the Earth's day is actually just a
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little bit shorter.
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23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds.
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seconds of mean solar time. That
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difference happens because as the Earth spins
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on its axis, it's also moving along its
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orbital path around the sun. So to bring the
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sun back to the exact same overhead position,
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the Earth needs to rotate not 360 degrees,
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but actually 361 degrees. That takes
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an extra four minutes. Hence the time
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difference. Measuring the exact
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time on Earth nowadays is achieved by a
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global system of atomic clocks, collectively
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known as Coordinated Universal Time, or
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UTC Zulu. If you're in the military,
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it's the gold standard. It never changes for
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daylight saving or for regional differences.
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So 1200 UTC in London is the same as
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1200 UTC in Sydney or in Tokyo or
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Washington, or even aboard the International
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Space Station.
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Originally, every town and village kept its
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own local time. Basically, 12 noon
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was when the sun was directly overhead in
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your local village. But the arrival of the
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railways in the 1800s forced countries to
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introduce standard time zones so trains
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wouldn't crash into each other. And with the
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arrival of standard time zones across the
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globe, navigation became easier and
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businesses flowed more smoothly. It was a
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great idea. But with the arrival of the
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computer age in spaceflight, accuracy has
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become of prime importance. You see,
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precision counts. The Earth's
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rotation tends to wobble and gradually slow
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down. It's due to tidal friction and
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geological events like earthquakes. It makes
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the planet's rotation an unreliable standard
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for modern science, navigation and Internet
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systems.
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So as clocks needed to become more and more
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accurate, scientists moved away from
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traditional mechanical and electrical devices
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and began relying ever more on advanced
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atomic clocks. In 1967, the
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governing body of the International Bureau of
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Weights and Measures, which standardises the
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ward's measurements, adopted a more precise
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definition of second based on the
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measurements of cesium atoms. And this is
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what underpins coordinated universal time.
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Atomic clocks use cesium fountains to track
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time with extreme accuracy. Cesium gas
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is cooled down to near absolute zero
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and then pushed up as a fountain through a
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microwave filled cavity. The microwaves are
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adjusted until they match the exact natural
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resonance frequency of the cesium atoms,
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allowing the clock to count the fixed number
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of cycles that define a second. This method
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is so exact that cesium clocks neither
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gain nor lose a single second in, in tens of
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millions of years. And this level of
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precision has allowed the second to be
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measured by counting
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oscillations or radiation cycles of a
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Cesium 133 atom during its
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unperturbed ground state. Hyper defined
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transition. But the precision of atomic
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clocks have their own problems because they
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pick up changes in the variability of the
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Earth's rate of rotation. And that's where
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leap seconds come in. Since their
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introduction in 1972, leap seconds have been
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added to our clocks on 27 occasions, most
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recently at the end of New Year's Eve 2016.
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The additional leap seconds keep atomic
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clocks accurate, navigation systems precise,
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moving transport smoothly, or at least trying
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to, and coordinating everything from big
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business transactions to the automated
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docking of spacecraft in orbit. Even when the
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power output needs to be increased during ad
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breaks and televised football games. These
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changes, by adding leap seconds, compensates
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for the known variabilities in the rotational
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speed of, uh, the planet's axis.
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Without them, time would slowly drift away
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out of coordination and into ever increasing
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confusion. But the real need for
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leap seconds came when scientists determined
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that the Earth's axial rotation rate simply
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wasn't consistent enough. See, the Earth's
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axial rotation changes due to things like
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mass redistribution and torque forces acting
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on the planet. While we think of the Earth as
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a rigid cue ball, it's actually a very
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dynamic, slightly squashed sphere with a
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molten core, fluid oceans, a, uh, shifting
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atmosphere and moving tectonic plates.
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from the Earth's rotational axis changes the
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planet's axial spin. That's due to the
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conservation of angular momentum, much like a
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spinning figure skater pulls their arms in to
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spin faster. Overall, there's a long term
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slowdown of the planet's spin rate over
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centuries and millennia. That's caused by
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gravitational tidal friction with the Moon
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and to a lesser extent, the Sun. See, the
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Moon's gravity pulls on the Earth's oceans,
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creating tidal bulges. And because Earth
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rotates faster than the Moon orbits it, the
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Earth tries to drag its watery bulge ahead of
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the Moon. This causes the Moon's gravity to
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act like a sort of brake, pulling back on
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this bulge, steadily draining the Earth's
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rotational energy, which causes the Earth's
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day to lengthen by 2.3 milliseconds every
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century. And it doesn't end there. There are
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other factors influencing the Earth's axial
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spin as well, including the climate. And the
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last ice age, which physically covered the
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planet in a thick heavy sheet of ice,
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altering the shape of the Earth. Post glacial
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rebound following the melting of those
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billions of tons of ice cover has slowly seen
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the distribution of mass shift relative to
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the planet's centre of gravity.
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During the last ice age, heavy glaciers
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flattened the, uh, Earth's poles. Now that
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most of that ice has melted, the land at the
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poles is slowly bouncing back upwards, making
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the planet more spherical. And this is
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shifting mass closer to the axis, speeding up
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the planet's rotation. There are also modern
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changes, such as the rapid melting of
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glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica, which
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is dumping water back into the oceans,
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redistributing mass towards the equator,
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again acting like that figure skater
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extending their arms to slow down rotation.
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The Earth's spin also changes dynamically
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from day to day and season to season because
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of the weather. With wind patterns and strong
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global wind systems like jet streams pushing
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hard against the Earth's, uh, surface
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topography like mountain ranges. When
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strong winds blow in the direction of the
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Earth's rotation, the atmosphere gains
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angular momentum, causing the solid Earth to
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slow down slightly to compensate. This causes
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seasonal variations of up to a millisecond
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per day. And internal planetary mechanics
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also play an important role. Forces
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deep within the planet and sudden tectonic
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movements such as earthquakes cause
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unpredictable changes deep inside the Earth.
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A, uh, primary cause is the drag along the
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core mantle boundary layer. The Earth's
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molten iron outer core sloshes around
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independently of the base of the rocky mantle
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layer above it. Changes in magnetic fields
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and fluid currents at the core mantle
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boundary can also cause the crust to speed up
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or slow down. Over decades. And then there
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are mega earthquakes like, uh, the 2004
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Indian Ocean tsunami or the 2011 Japanese
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earthquake, which instantly shift billions of
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tons of mass, enough to permanently speed up
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rotation, shortening the day by about 1.8
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microseconds. And all these events are making
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timekeeping in the space age increasingly
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less and less accurate. And so in
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1972, scientists introduced the leap
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second, a, uh, one second adjustment added to
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coordinated universal time to keep highly
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precise atomic clocks
synchronised to the
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Earth's natural, natural irregular rotation.
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Because the planet's rotation fluctuates and
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gradually slows down over long periods, a
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discrepancy slowly builds between
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astronomical time and atomic time.
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When the gap approaches 0.9 seconds, a leap
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second is inserted, making the final minute
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of that day 61 seconds long, counted as
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23, 59 and 60 seconds, usually on New
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Year's Eve. But while leap seconds
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keep clocks aligned with space, they're an
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operational nightmare for modern day digital
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infrastructure, causing systems to regularly
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crash and giving computer programme software
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writers still recovering from the Y2K bug
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connections. And the next big leap second
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insertion will be a negative event, removing
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a second from the clock. The need for a
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negative leap second is due to changes in the
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Earth's core, which has actually caused the
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planet to temporarily speed up. And this
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raised fears that scientists would have to
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implement a negative leap second, a 59 second
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minute. And that's going to send software
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engineers into uncontrollable nervous
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breakdowns. Few will survive without their
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teddy bears.
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Now, global tech companies have warned that
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software infrastructure is entirely untested
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for deleting a second. That's created a
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massive risk of severe, widespread digital
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breakdowns. Again, think Y2K.
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So to eliminate these risks, delegates from
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69 countries at the International Bureau of
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Weights and Measures meeting back in 2022
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voted to remove leap seconds by 2035
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and start discussing a different method of
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keeping the Earth's days intact. Sync with
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the astronomical world. But the urgent need
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to introduce a negative leap second has
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forced the group to vote again last week,
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this time to bring the abolishment of the
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leap second forward to 20 May
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2027. Under the new rules,
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rather than micromanaging a one second gap,
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the allowed drift between atomic time and the
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Earth's rotation will be expanded to a full
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hour. Clocks will continuously run without
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interruption. Over centuries, our time
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will slowly drift out of alignment with the
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sun. And eventually, like in thousands of
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years from now, future generations will
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simply implement a single leap hour, treating
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it much like a predictable daylight savings
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time shift. This is space time.
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Silvia Mantovanini : Foreign.
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Stuart Gary: Take a brief look at some of the other
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stories making news in Science this week with
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a Science report. Scientists have announced a
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major breakthrough in skin cancer treatment
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with a world first Australian developed
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personalised M mRNA melanoma vaccine.
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Clinical trials of over 1100 patients
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showed that adding intysmarin to the standard
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post surgery treatment reduced the risk of
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melanoma returning within two years by at
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least 42%. 82% of
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people in the trial's vaccine group were
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still living without a recurrence of their
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cancer after two years, compared to 70% on
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the standard keytruda treatment alone. The
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trial is continuing in order to track longer
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term outcomes. A new
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study has shown a catastrophic collapse of
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environment and marine life in the wake of
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the 2010 BP Deepwater Horizon oil
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spill. The findings, reported in the
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Proceedings of the National Academy of
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Sciences, found that populations of
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deep water fishes, crustaceans and squid
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--> 00:27:51.220
declined significantly over the past 16 years
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since the BP ecological disaster first
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unfolded. The study included over
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2,000 net samples, acoustic surveys and
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genetic analyses. It revealed
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declines in 64% of fish numbers,
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62% of large crustaceans and
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60% in small squid and other cephalopods.
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And some of the most ecologically important
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animals were hit even harder.
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Krill declined by 83%, lantern
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fishes by 63% and Bristol mouth fishes
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by 69%. These concentrations
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are essential for whales, dolphins, tuna,
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sharks, seabirds and other marine life.
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Aquatic life that was common back in 2011 has
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now virtually disappeared. BP's
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Deepwater Horizon oil spill released between
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4 and 4.9 million barrels of oil, while
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approximately 770,000 gallons of chemical
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dispersant were injected nearly the wellhead.
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All related compounds have since been
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detected in deep water fish eggs and
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encephalopod tissues. It's an
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environmental disaster on an unprecedented
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scale. Breakdown
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plastics such as polyurethane in chew foam,
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uh, kitchen sponges and mattresses can be a
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problem for recycling now.
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Scientists have improved an enzyme normally
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produced by bacteria found in compost to
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enable it to more efficiently break down
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polyurethane main products. Researchers
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edited the DNA of the bacteria to produce a
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more efficient version of a plastic eating
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enzyme. They tested the enzyme on pieces of
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soles of shoes, and after three days it had
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chewed up about 1.4% of the polyurethane,
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splitting the waste product into smaller,
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reusable pieces.
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A report in the journal ChemCatalyst claims
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that although their research is still in its
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early stages, it does show Promise for future
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plastic reprocessing.
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A new study has found that people who spend
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more time with their pet cats tend to have
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more positive moods. The findings reported
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in the journal Eye Science are based on a
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trial involving 29 cats and their human
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companions. The authors conducted hormonal
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analysis through urine samples, attached
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small Bluetooth low energy beacons to the
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cat's collars to measure their physical daily
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proximity, assess the owner's mood through
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questionnaires and observe the cat's
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behaviour towards their owners and towards
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unfamiliar people. The findings revealed
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a hormonal connection between cats and their
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humans involving oxytocin and cortisol,
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hormones that are associated with social
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relationships and stress. They showed a uh,
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positive correlation in concentrations of
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oxytocin for both the cats and their people,
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with higher oxytocin levels in cats linked to
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lower cortisol levels and fewer negative
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feelings in their owners. Ultimately, the
749
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authors observed that positive mood states in
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the owners were not connected to how long
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they've had their cats, but rather to the
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overall physical proximity between owners and
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their pets. In other words, owners positive
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feelings seem to be most strongly associated
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with how much time they spend with their cats
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in everyday life. A
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new documentary has been released exposing
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the famous Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film as a
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fake. The iconic shaky 59 second
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silent 16 millimetre clip shows what appears
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to be an enormous female Sasquatch walking
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along a trail at Bluff Creek, California.
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Sceptics have long claimed it's just some
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00:31:09.930
dude in a gorilla costume. And in 2002
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Philip Morris, who runs a North Carolina
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based company offering costumes, props and
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stage products, claimed that he made the
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gorilla costume that was used in the film,
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but had been reluctant to expose the hoax
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earlier for fear of harming his business.
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Meanwhile, a few years earlier in 1999,
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longtime Patterson and Gimlin friend Bob
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Harronius admitted that he was the figure
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wearing the costume in the film. He says he
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had not gone public earlier because he was
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afraid of being convicted of fraud for his
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part in the hoax, but agreed to finally go
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public following legal advice. The sceptics
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Tim Mendham says the new film Capturing
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Bigfoot which exposes the hoax has just been
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released on cable.
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Tim Mendham: The footage is probably one of the most
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famous film videos of a cryptid, an unknown
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creature, especially a legendary one. And
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this is the one taken in 67 in a place called
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Bluff Creek in California by two.
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I don't know exactly what they were actually
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adventurous documentary makers who knows
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happened to have a 16 mil camera them and
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they filmed a Bigfoot, a Sasquatch, a tall
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creature, hairy creature, walking along near
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a creek, sort of a stony tree background.
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It walks along, it looks at them sort of
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strolling, it's not exactly running anywhere,
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and then walks on and disappears. And the
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film runs for about almost a minute and
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became sort of proof for a lot of people that
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Bigfoot exists. Now, people have always been
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investigating it. You get Hollywood makeup
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people trying to see if the costume is real.
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There is a costume and the suggestion always
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has been, is that the fake footage, it's
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quite reasonable. It's probably one of the
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clearest bits of footage of such a creature.
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And it goes for a long time.
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So it's not a fleeting thing disappearing
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behind a tree. But since then, a filmmaker
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has made this documentary. Uh, recently this
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appeared Mark Evans called Capturing Bigfoot.
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And it contains a 40 second clip from
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a year earlier from 1966, of
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Bigfoot walking being filmed in much the same
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way, which they're saying is a trial run
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for the later 1966 famous clip.
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They've also spoken with a gentleman who said
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he was actually inside the costume. It's a
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lot older now, and that he's playing what
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happened to how it was set up. And a son or a
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grandson or something like that of the one of
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the Patterson or Gimlin, one of the two guys
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who made the film, witnessing their relative
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burning the costume in the backyard. So it's
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a, uh, it was always a controversial film. It
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was quite a nice film to look at. It probably
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convinced a lot of people there's been a lot
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of problems with it. Everything from how the
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animal moves, the shape of the animal. Does
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it have breasts? Does it not have breasts?
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Male, female, etc. The way it sort of just
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saunters across the landscape, gives a look
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to the researchers, very unlike most
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Sasquatch stories you've ever heard and
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trying to get a better grip on it. So this
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film contains probably evidence which is as
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definitive as the original Patterson Gimlin
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film. So you think, uh, all right, okay,
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which one is real? So now there's some firmer
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quotes evident in quotes that the original
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film is not true. Not that anyone who
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seriously investigates cryptids really does
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think it's true. But I'm sure there are
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people who still do.
Charlie Z People
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involved. Patterson. Patterson died not long
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after in 72. It's interesting that this new
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evidence has cropped up pretty much saying we
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have the silver bullet that proves that the
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original film was not true. What a shame,
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really.
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It'd be nice if it was true.
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Stuart Gary: I mean we all want Bigfoot to be real, but.
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Tim Mendham: Yeah, but you gotta have the evidence.
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Stuart Gary: You need a corpse or the DNA evidence
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at least that's never.
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Tim Mendham: But they're also saying, of course they're
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also think you need about 100.
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Stuart Gary: Well you need big feet, several hundred
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Bigfoots. It's not big. In order to have
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a viable breeding population.
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Tim Mendham: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And that's a lot of
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uh, Bigfoot
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Stuart Gary: not to be recorded by people who have cameras
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on their cell phones.
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Tim Mendham: That's exactly right. Everyone carries a
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camera now. You don't need a 16 mil camera.
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Everyone's got a camera in their pocket and
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it's pretty good quality. But no one has
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really come up with definitive film. It's
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amazing how often people see Bigfoot and uh,
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some of them for a lengthy period of time but
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forget to film it. And there's no. Every
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Bigfoot that you most see these days is
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fuzzy. Perhaps Bigfoot fuzzy.
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Stuart Gary: Squatch blobs. They're called Squatch blobs.
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Tim Mendham: And um, I don't know, it's, it's a
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fascinating area for as much for its um, the
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psychology of belief as it is for any actual
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evidence of a humanoid. People want to
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believe. People do. And yeah, that's okay.
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People want to believe. That doesn't mean
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it's true.
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Stuart Gary: That's the sceptics. Timms Mendham. And this
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is Space Time.
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